isle-lore-theories

[young viper]

I'm talking about the words/bugs that appear after the camera is kicked

[strong forge]

3 main theories are rex, allo, and alberto

[fast forge]

yeah but in the wild there isn't going to be much natural that causes that, that isn't already localized (i.e. magnetic rock)

maybe sunspots?

or... something more interesting

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey Yeah, the area is clearly f5, even tho it isnt. Did dondi make a mistake?

[snow jasper]

hey have fun with this

[lethal moat]

I very much doubt it's a mistake, likely something we aren't seeing

[young viper]

[snow jasper]

:D

[lethal moat]

DNA strands

[fast forge]

Nutrient analytic
Citrus sinensis
they are eating oranges

[lethal moat]

Of citrus

[hexed forge]

I want dondi to answer.

[young viper]

Uhhh????

[fast forge]

This is just a nutritional breakdown of an orange

[snow jasper]

yeah

[fast forge]

"Oranges, raw"

[snow jasper]

lol

[lethal moat]

Don't see tail spikes like that too often

[fast forge]

Methodology

The genomic DNA of Citrus
sinensis was edited in vitro
using CRISPER/Cas9 and then
transformed into plant cells

APOLLO ENGINEERING Research
under the scientific direction
of ||REDACTED||

[young viper]

Ok but

[lethal moat]

Orang

[fast forge]

so they were engineering the oranges

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[fast forge]

maybe as a method of delivery for a drug or other factor?

[fast forge]

Not even maybe, it says it

[lethal moat]

I need to look over it again

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message I'm just breaking this down

[snow jasper]

cashew lore

[lethal moat]

I know, but I've given it a cursory look because I'm busy rn

[strong forge]

"fatty aacids"

[patent ginkgo]

Thank you I couldn’t read this 😭

[hexed forge]

Engineering everysingle diet food probably

[patent ginkgo]

Ok so it would seem to me like, as was said, modified oranges and perhaps cashews (diet plants) are being used in relation to changing the diabloceratops population, or experimenting on changes to them

[fast forge]

The locvation of "INJECTION SITE" on the map is definitely not the location seen in the cam footage

[patent ginkgo]

Injection seems to me like it could be injection of Diablo 0.1.2

[fast forge]

We know they started with plant research - maybe the diablos were made to further plant research?

[lethal moat]

Spread the seeds "naturally"

[patent ginkgo]

Ecosystem experiment, a theory I’ve had for a while now

[fast forge]

I'm at the injection site

[patent ginkgo]

How can we make decent food plants that survive well under massive herbivore strain and tropical climate?

[fast forge]

it's just palm plains and beach, no jungle at all

[snow jasper]

these are all linked

[hexed forge]

The place of the TCAM is at riverdelta

[fast forge]

where did we get that?

[hexed forge]

You can tell that by the 4 adult diablos there, just like in the TCAM

[fast forge]

that tracks

[fast forge]

yeah I noticed those 4

[snow jasper]

panarama view of the cashew chemistry

[hexed forge]

So in short, the place in the video. Doesnt exist (Yet?)

[patent ginkgo]

Cashew photo!

[snow jasper]

Irony of this is that I have a bag of cashews beside me lol

they're quite nice

[fast forge]

The camera is facing east, because at 1:50 you can see the rising sun (you know it's rising because the clock says 9:12am)

[acoustic osprey]

Well
It's the retrieval that would've caused it

We also know there exist lare amount of radio interference outside of the building's

[acoustic osprey]

H4...

[fast forge]

it's one of these

[hexed forge]

-_-

[fast forge]

just a pretty standard genomic map

makes sense they'd have them for their animals

[young viper]

Dr. ????

[fast forge]

I saw the Dr. too

[snow jasper]

Okay, now this frame may or may not confirm the debate whether the final shadow was an allo, alberto or a rex

[acoustic osprey]

Aye I will when I get home tonight

[acoustic osprey]

Dr ■■■.■■■■

[young viper]

Do you remember any character with Dr? @acoustic osprey

[hexed forge]

nnononon, your map is actually perfect.

[acoustic osprey]

Yay

[fast forge]

the animal in the image?

[hexed forge]

Dondi got F5 wrong..

[snow jasper]

let me outline it

[acoustic osprey]

Quite few

[hexed forge]

Dr Chance?

[acoustic osprey]

Chance was for Alphie
But maybe

[young viper]

Dr Wu

[fast forge]

that's a dibble butt

the spikes are the back of the frill

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as there was supposed to be a Quetz for the video

[hexed forge]

Yeah, AND QUETZ WAS MEANT TO BE IN THE VIDEO

[snow jasper]

Ahem, the exact next frame shows a dead dryo, how about that

[acoustic osprey]

Erm
Check message above

[snow jasper]

beat it

[hexed forge]

Nuh uh

[snow jasper]

why would a diablo feast on a dryo

[young viper]

i still think that shadow is an elder alberto^

[fast forge]

does it?

[snow jasper]

I am not outlining it

[fast forge]

that looks like a dibble laying down

[acoustic osprey]

This is not Alberto

[young viper]

yea i got wrong lol

[snow jasper]

does everything look like a dibble to you

[acoustic osprey]

Yarg

[fast forge]

tail matches

[fast forge]

it's a dibble video, I dunno what to tell you

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-gene-wilder-wrong-sir-wrong-charlie-and-the-chocolate-factory-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gif-24793876

[hexed forge]

Also

We need some confirmation from dondi

Is it a gen 2 in the video, or an actual employee?

[fast forge]

Injection # 002

[hexed forge]

The second injection in history?

[fast forge]

🤷‍♀️

[hexed forge]

Also...the injection I believe is connected to nesting... Aka the hatchlings were injected with a chip. Just like the adults have

[fast forge]

yeah occam's razor says the injections were chips - nothing else possibly injected is in the video

more official screen without the distortion

[hexed forge]

Its interesting seeing as how so many dibbles died lmao

[fast forge]

Oh hey, it's 3pm, raining, and it's not ridiculously dark

[young viper]

lol

[fast forge]

I found a site that lets you watch youtube videos frame by frame

dots are definitely moving between these frames

[maiden sundial]

And quickly.

[hexed forge]

Yes, they are def potatos.

[fast forge]

trailcam guy the 1st time

[snow jasper]

Touched on everything on the server

[ionic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/what-star-lord-guardians-of-the-galaxy-mother-dead-mother-gif-20223787

[fast forge]

probably the clearest version of that text yet

[ionic sable]

We got a grid map and I didn't notice?

[fast forge]

yes

[ionic sable]

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
And it doesn't work with F5

[snow jasper]

they should work on the grid system, this feels annoying

[crystal cairn]

something is in the dome

[hexed forge]

Its insanely accurate to isaacs one

[hexed forge]

Where do you see something in the dome..

[ionic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/light-pug-blast-tongue-gif-14401966

[crystal cairn]

this screenshot

the heat signature blip.. thingy

[hexed forge]

OOHOOOHH

[crystal cairn]

was that blip of something in the dome there at the start or the end? WAIT

[crystal cairn]

WAS IT IN THE DOME and then with each slide did it slowly move out and towards the others???

[fast forge]

same pose, not quite the same angle

[fast forge]

errr no

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/chick-augh-gif-14773202582398567820

[crystal cairn]

did something escape the dome and move towards the dibble location?

[fast forge]

Those images were chronological in the video

[crystal cairn]

okay

[hexed forge]

That dibble was captured into the dome

[mint nacelle]

Probably the dome’s are used to chip Dino’s safely

[hexed forge]

It already had the chip

[mint nacelle]

Maybe its a ‘’fresh spawn’’? Like us player when we spawn we are a little grown up ad chipped. Maybe this process happens inside a dome?

[hexed forge]

Ehhhhh maybe? Maybe not.

[fast forge]

dibble in the dark

[mint nacelle]

Well ho knows (except the dev’s), it’s all speculation for now

[hexed forge]

yep

[fast forge]

symbol on the guy's shoulder

might just be a generic thing

[snow jasper]

Traced it

[hexed forge]

Probably

[snow jasper]

The grid system does not work along the x axis

anger

[fast forge]

So

[snow jasper]

What do you mean so

[fast forge]

We've got this image

of the Dibble genome

[snow jasper]

their x acis sucks, and i cant make a claerer grid system

not my fault they have two 17's

[fast forge]

There's one problem with this

This is a plasmid, something that vertebrates usually don't have

Plasmids are small circular sections of DNA found in bacteria

Very very useful in genetic research, mostly when you want to duplicate a gene or put it into something

But plasmids are typically so small that you can't fit a whole vertebrate genome on one

[vestal obsidian]

It exists. Albeit, with some foliage changes. River Fork migration? 👀

[hexed forge]

WAIT REALLY. SEND COORDS

[fast forge]

fantastic work, that looks very close

[ionic sable]

Called it on the AVI format

[vestal obsidian]

-159,530.195, 272,693.084, 23,059.852

[hexed forge]

tysm

[snow jasper]

The first few numbers on the X axis is hella annoying

I12 and K15 align and still not H4, but at least the grid system is lore accurate an precise

[hexed forge]

You didnt get enough space because you need more ocean

The first column is fully in the ocean

[acoustic osprey]

here's a rough I did on photoshop very roughly
oh, Run did it already

[hexed forge]

Yours is better isaac

However the font of runs is cooler, so run it would be nice if you can just create a column on the left

[acoustic osprey]

I haven't finished mine yet.
Away from home atm

[snow jasper]

how far from home

[hexed forge]

Outside

[snow jasper]

im gonna try and finish it before you

[acoustic osprey]

quite far
going to uni

[snow jasper]

easy peasy

i can sleep in the meantime between time

[acoustic osprey]

wow!!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-spy-tf2-gentlemen-gif-18144778

[hexed forge]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[acoustic osprey]

WHAT

nice

so
tartarus
the land of high contrast images

[lethal moat]

Back to frame by frame

[fast forge]

that's what I've been doing lol

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah I feel like thats just an easter egg, nothing lorewise

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

Well I'm late tp the party and I want a caprisun

[fast forge]

hey, a tartarus mention is nothing to scoff at

do you have a timestamp?

[lethal moat]

Why does the grass line change from here:

To here

[fast forge]

eated by dibble

[lethal moat]

Says 41 seconds on my thing, but I'm also like 1-1.5 seconds difference when I recorded it

[fast forge]

Here's the two frames of the dibble genome

[fast forge]

I found these two frames, flipping between them you can see that all of the grass changes, not just up front

[lethal moat]

But the no grass is before the more grass

[fast forge]

not for me

[snow jasper]

cant because of the image i applied the grid onto

[lethal moat]

Could be a change in the way gateway is generated during the times it was being recorded

[fast forge]

00:36:86 grass
00:36:90 no grass

[fast forge]

yeah it's probably a minor map change between dev builds and no one caught the transition, just a mistake in editing

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-eye-of-sauron-black-hole-eye-of-sauron-black-hole-black-hole-eye-of-sauron-gif-13905780

God, i'm afraid to blink during this one

[fast forge]

slightly better version, can make out the AE logo in top left

There is definitely more text above Tartarus

[lethal moat]

Keep looking

[young viper]

Do we already know the meaning of this circle/symbol?

[lethal moat]

Genome map

[lethal moat]

Like this

[fast forge]

yeah it's a map of a circular genome, seen in bacteria

[young viper]

ohh

[patent ginkgo]

Plasmid?

[fast forge]

yeah, which is strange because vertebrates don't typically have plasmids...

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

Wait

Plasmids are used commonly for genetic modification right

[fast forge]

nvm, there are methods that show eukaryotic dna as a wheel

[patent ginkgo]

Ah

[fast forge]

yes, it's one of the best tools for duplicating small segments of dna

[lethal moat]

Like Crispr?

[patent ginkgo]

I got scared for a moment that ae just recreated multicellular life from prokaryotes without going eukaryotic

[fast forge]

I believe that method uses plasmids, yes

[lethal moat]

Could be coding a bacteria to program dibble cells, that bacteria may be what was injected, an "after factory modification" so to speak

[fast forge]

From this image #isle-lore-theories message we got info about the oranges the dibbles were eating

and I broke down the methodology section in that image here #isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

I see

[fast forge]

To repeat:

Methodology

The genomic DNA of Citrus
sinensis was edited in vitro
using CRISPER/Cas9 and then
transformed into plant cells

APOLLO ENGINEERING Research
under the scientific direction
of ||REDACTED||

[young viper]

soo? new symbol?

[acoustic osprey]

No

[lethal moat]

Nah, that's a distorted trail cam thingy

[acoustic osprey]

It's the text but mirrored

[young viper]

noo, i meant the thing above the text

[acoustic osprey]

Still the same

Picture mirrored

[young viper]

but if you cut it in half?

[lethal moat]

Probably grass or something, it's still mirrored

[fast forge]

To summarize this block of text, they inserted some gene(s) into the genome of an orange

[acoustic osprey]

Just part the glitch effect

[young viper]

no idea

[lethal moat]

Looks like a part of the normal video

[acoustic osprey]

we already knew there videos were in AVI though?

[acoustic osprey]

already exists on the Gen2 model
i wonder if future Gen2s will still contain this.

[fast forge]

we can see an individual change position within Perimeter between these subsequent frames

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of the heat glow or?

[fast forge]

chiptracking

err yeah

[acoustic osprey]

you mean this thing?

[acoustic osprey]

ah yeah

[fast forge]

Injection # 002

Okay so this image

There is a word above "tartarus"

I thought the blue above and below are likely the same overlayed image, repeating vertically

So I clipped the top part and added it to the bottom part

I think the bottom section may have the tops of the upper words

In both cases the background dirt or trees show through

[acoustic osprey]

#A#####

[young viper]

a?

[fast forge]

I almost certainly have these sections misaligned

I was mostly just demonstrating that the lines could be the tops of letters

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah
it's likely some hidden slide shot that is hidden from us

the curved border reminds me of this from Apollo Files

[fast forge]

are there letters after "TARTARUS"?

[lethal moat]

Are we going to ignore the carno at 3 min 10 seconds?

[acoustic osprey]

too dark

[fast forge]

I thought there might be something hidden in the background, but I didn't catch that

[lethal moat]

Right side, immediately behind the diablo

[acoustic osprey]

what interests me the most is how it's different from this slideshow

[young viper]

wheres that from? canon?

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo Files

[fast forge]

there are 2 dibbles there

one is standing and eating grass or something

[lethal moat]

At 3 min 10 seconds's they're snoozing

[fast forge]

there are 3 dibles in the shot, two in the foreground snoozing, and a third behind the rightmost dibble, grazing

?

[lethal moat]

Carno mouth

[fast forge]

dibble cheek

[lethal moat]

It sniffs

[fast forge]

4 legs

[lethal moat]

I only see 2 there

[fast forge]

also you can see glints of the upper horns occasionally

[lethal moat]

[fast forge]

also it doesn't run away when they wake up

[lethal moat]

You're probably right

[fast forge]

and the shot 2 hours before had 3 dibbles too

[knotty locust]

tartar sauce mentioned

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message cut out image may be misaligned

[hexed forge]

What the hell are you guys talking about

What section of the video

[lethal moat]

I saw something that wasn't there

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/fry-futurama-suspicious-squint-gif-15326860

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/geometry-dash-gif-19945692

[fast forge]

top word is probably just "Diabloceratops"

[young viper]

ig i am seeing a ''10'' after tartarus

[fast forge]

probably just saying they entombed it in Tartarus like Augustus

[fast forge]

I did think of numbers too, but it's so hard to tell with the branches overlaid

Any ideas on the difference between MCAMs and TCAMs? Presumably TCAM is trailcam

[hexed forge]

Main cams is probably near human buildings outside

T cams are just wild cameras not anything big

[fast forge]

TCAMs are only 4 digits

[acoustic osprey]

You are wrong

[hexed forge]

Probably

[fast forge]

MCAMs are 5 digits

[acoustic osprey]

Yes you are

[lethal moat]

Motion Camera?

[fast forge]

there we go

[hexed forge]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

No
Monitor cam

[fast forge]

the latter half of the augustus video did have motion sensing specifically

[lethal moat]

Ight

[hexed forge]

Thanks Isaac for educating us again

[acoustic osprey]

No worries

[fast forge]

Why not motion? We see motion tracking is active on this one

[lethal moat]

I'm going to say it could be either, but more likely Lightclaw's

[fast forge]

Monitoring, gotcha

[acoustic osprey]

MCAM makes sense for monitoring cam

Aka. Monitor Cam without the passive

[fast forge]

TCAE - Trailcam AE

[knotty locust]

if anyones scrounging through the video, you can use the . key to move forward frame by frame

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

Nah they go by
TCAM

Unless they've changed it again

[fast forge]

no it's also TCAM in the new video

[tropic moss]

Ah ah ah, you didnt say the magic word

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yes

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

Well it refers to ħardwer
Must be the camera recording it is called

[fast forge]

yeah I just came to that same realization

[acoustic osprey]

Literally called Trail Camera "AE"
Lol

[fast forge]

TCAE-X3840 must be the model of camera

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
New subsidiary? AE electronics

[fast forge]

they probably have manufacturing for proprietary genetics equipment anyway

[ionic sable]

Ah, didn't know that.

[pseudo fable]

[ionic sable]

[fast forge]

AE Field Guide

[lethal moat]

I find it interesting how the censor the existance of dates, but not of Tartarus

[fast forge]

that would suggest that knowledge of Tartarus itself may have been widespread among AE staff

[lethal moat]

If it's used as a punishment, at least parts must be known

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
AV1 confuses many with AVI lol

[acoustic osprey]

Most likely
Seeing as they also have a, likely, subsidiary making the BIOS and (likely again) the computers AE used

At least from 93

[acoustic osprey]

I think it's supposed to be a fun Easter egg to kill us

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[fast forge]

definitely AVI here

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
Definitely

It confused some when Augustus came out

But it makes the most sense to be AVI

[fast forge]

Location:
Evaluation:
Post-Review:

[hexed forge]

Dondi is F5 as the location a mistake?

[lethal moat]

I think we're misunderstanding something

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe maybe maybe

[hexed forge]

Possibly, but I want it clarified

[acoustic osprey]

But it wouldn't make sense for H4 then
Which matches up perfectly now with the grid we've been given

[ionic sable]

And here I am thinking that the Augustus video had the file format censored, and managing to gaslight myself into thinking I came up with the idea.

[hexed forge]

But I don't understand what we could be misunderstanding? What else could F5 mean..

[acoustic osprey]

Lol hahaha

[hexed forge]

GW_F5 is literally a location right? The same format as the Augustus one

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
It makes the most sense to be such

[hexed forge]

I can't sleep now until it's clarified

[acoustic osprey]

It's going to be like H4
We'll find it sooner or later!!

But oh we're so back finally

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/emperors-new-groove-kuzco-boom-baby-boom-surprise-gif-3883901

[hexed forge]

Isaac. The location in the Dibble video exists on the map

[acoustic osprey]

Which

[hexed forge]

Lemme scroll up rq

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey

[acoustic osprey]

Look at it this way Cerato
H4 also had it's locational issues as well

But to be fair and to play the devils advocate

[fast forge]

Coords were
-159,530.195, 272,693.084, 23,059.852

Haven't checked it out myself

[hexed forge]

We couldn't really identify where H4 is really by geolocstion right?

[acoustic osprey]

H4 still had MCAM filming of the proper H4 location

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

Too hard for specific screenshot
But the environment and the grid matched where we know where it is now

[acoustic osprey]

Where this video is MAINLY about this specific location "F5"

Augustus had the leeway because it obscure

Dibble one doesn't because it showcases the whole land

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

And the 'exterior shots' of H4 matched actual H4 location

Not the same case with F5 though
Painfully

I really wish I was home lol
I'll be definitely making a video on this by the weekend haha

[fast forge]

so the trees matched the video, but there weren't human structures?

[ionic sable]

The middle of the ocean:

[acoustic osprey]

🙂

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Alongside the grid matching it as well

[fast forge]

where is that location? If H4 on islemaps is wrong

[patent ginkgo]

Ok can Yall serenade me with the striking new info we’ve learned while I’ve been gone again? I’ve been planting moss

[acoustic osprey]

Nah that's supposed to he H6
That was my mistake of not fixing it again

It's west of H6 (rock base)

[fast forge]

AE genetically engineered oranges, and fed them to dibble

[acoustic osprey]

Not surprised!!

[lethal moat]

Not a ton yet, we need to disect more, but AE was messing around with Crispr and oranges, as well as the grid

[patent ginkgo]

I saw that thankfully, finally some true botany lore

[patent ginkgo]

The grid…

[acoustic osprey]

Confirms theories on plant life being modified

In this case to match the environment? Was there information on why?

[patent ginkgo]

It’s interesting to me because the oranges are “variegated”

Like why this specific trait?

[lethal moat]

Sadly no, I think the orange documentation got crossed with the dibble observation when the electromagnetic disturbence happened?

[fast forge]

it says they are variegated?

[patent ginkgo]

In game yes

[acoustic osprey]

They were eating oranges though, yeah?

[fast forge]

oh no

it's easily answered

[lethal moat]

A small one was one time

[fast forge]

Variegated sweet orange is just the name of a common type of orange

[patent ginkgo]

Ah interesting

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder why there were multiple slides played through the dibble video
-in terms of why they were mashed together through the radio interference

I'm presuming all the information is linked with the Dibbles?

We need a time stamp for all glitches honestly

[lethal moat]

They also mentioned cashews at one point

[patent ginkgo]

I remember when doing research on all the diet plants and fungi a while back the oranges gave me the most trouble with identification of lineage and native range and all that because it’s all hybridized into the fifth dimension

[acoustic osprey]

I'd do it but I'm away rn

[patent ginkgo]

Just nutrition info from what I saw

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[fast forge]

yes, all of the slides were things like dibble map locations, dibble diet nutrition facts, etc.

[fast forge]

yeah I only saw mention of genetic engineering for the oranges, not the cashews, and I went through every glitch frame by frame

[hexed forge]

Guys what do you think will be the next lore video?

[lethal moat]

Gateway trailer

[patent ginkgo]

Patience

[hexed forge]

That's Def not a lore video

[lethal moat]

We can squeeze lore out of it

[hexed forge]

No...

[fast forge]

like an orange

[acoustic osprey]

Mmm
I wonder what the timeline of the video plot was

Is it a user accessing the information 'generally' through some sort of bluetooth/WiFi, but it was corrupted?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-hynes-hynies-try-to-stop-me-try-and-stop-me-gif-25247079

[acoustic osprey]

Might be
Might have something

[fast forge]

So those coordinates that person gave were correct, I'm there now

(I'm an injured ptera in a rainstorm, I'd take screenshots if I could see anything)

[lethal moat]

I love how we just took this in stride lol

[fast forge]

I questioned it

[acoustic osprey]

Not surprised with the information on the fences of buildings

[fast forge]

it could have a mundane reason, but I dunno

[lethal moat]

That was my guess, rather than jumping right to neuro, because strong signals

[fast forge]

So here's a little graphic to help you tell the dibble location

That slough in the background is the salt lick

[acoustic osprey]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
But i wonder what causes such

[patent ginkgo]

Interesting that ash and sunchoke are in the same place, and in a new area

[fast forge]

although I don't know if it has salt in the video, you can see the salt from that location run up the side of the hill

They might have moved/removed that salt patch

[fast forge]

yeah but you'd think an AE technician would know enough to prevent data corruption

put it in a cage or something

[lethal moat]

A field agent might not, especially if they're just walking past fences

[patent ginkgo]

A field agent like a gen 2

[fast forge]

Yeah but the animal tracking combined with the diet data provided would suggest it's a biologist manning the camera

and on an island full of animals, what's a field agent? A field biologist?

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps

I do wonder if Gen 2 have a higher place in the Apollo hierarchy than we typically think

[acoustic osprey]

It's the retrieval process that screwed up
Not the recording

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps Gen 2 are a way to supply AE with more genuine scientists

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't say that's the main goal though

[fast forge]

I think Gen 2 is just a body, and everyone working under AE had signed the thousand life contract and had one of these perfect bodies

[patent ginkgo]

I could see this with the revival of eips

[lethal moat]

AE are definitely using gen 2 for some sort if experimentation

[patent ginkgo]

How so? I doubt my idea is the main goal, but I would like to know what denies it being correct

[fast forge]

My headcanon is that they "perfected" the human form, created immortality, and could recreate any organism across history. Pretty much godlike genetic manipulation

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah, but does it have to be evil…?

[fast forge]

I think Don specifically said that AE is not the stereotypical evil corporation, they simply have goals and interests like any real company

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah

[lethal moat]

Doesn’t have to be evil, just an alternative reason to sending to the island other than recapturing stuff

[fast forge]

Now here's a thought I had seeing the text about genetic manipulation of the orange:

What if the dinosaurs were created to help them better engineer plants?

I have no idea why that would be, but it's a thought

[patent ginkgo]

I’ve been thinking about this as well

[lethal moat]

I really want to know what the hell biotrace is

[patent ginkgo]

Could be to increase favorable traits relating to increasing yield, as dinos represent a huge bioload on these food plants

[fast forge]

I think there are two eras for Gen 2:

1. Worker bodies for AE employees pre-incident
2. Bodies 'scavenged' by EIPs post-incident

Just my headcanon, but it would give the two "eras" of Gen 2 different goals

[patent ginkgo]

Could have to do with perfecting nutrient profiles in edible plants, perhaaaaaps along with some sort of way to change genetic expression in organisms that eat it?

[fast forge]

Like, AE pre-incident just has a handy supply of premade Gen 2 bodies lying around for any staff who happen to expire in the line of duty, or new employees

And then post-incident those same bodies (manufactured somewhere outside Gateway) are used by players in-game

[patent ginkgo]

Interesting actually… a way to prevent employees from actually dying because their mind can just be transferred to another body if they get injured…

This clicks

[acoustic osprey]

I'm not denying it
Just saying it's likely not the main goal

[fast forge]

I think the goal of Gen 2 was 'The Perfect Man ™️'

[patent ginkgo]

I don’t so much care about the validity of it cause I made it up on the spot, but like more about the why, so sorry didn’t mean to sound rude if I came off that way lol

[acoustic osprey]

The thing is
It looks like most don't realise it's said the retrieval is what caused the issues

Not the recording itself

[acoustic osprey]

That's the theorised

[patent ginkgo]

Wasn’t there something that we found within the last couple of months that suggests this isn’t the case, at least not fully?

[acoustic osprey]

No not to what has been said recently

[patent ginkgo]

Hmm, I could’ve sworn we had some discussion

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[fast forge]

How many other times is Tartarus officially mentioned?

[patent ginkgo]

I’m thinking more along the lines of Gen 2s being like just bodies waiting for someone’s mind to fill em, almost like suits. You get your suit ripped up in the field, no problem, you signed a thousand life contract so you’ve still got your 999 more “suits” to fill and continue on in… only “you” is your mind (EIPs) and the “suit” is your body. So it allows you to simply replace your body if you get fatally wounded as opposed to simply dying

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/drstrange-one-onemore-avengers-endgame-gif-14454957

[fast forge]

yeah that was my thought, but also they can sell them to rich people

[fast forge]

just one, in augustus?

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

Twice now

Yay

[lethal moat]

Yep, with that obscure thing that I somehow saw lol

[acoustic osprey]

Still fits the idea of the perfect man

[lethal moat]

Avatar Na’vi meatsuit style situation?

[patent ginkgo]

Maybe perfect, maybe… useful

[acoustic osprey]

To be fair
1000 life contract was far more of a punishment in legacy

[patent ginkgo]

Still

Lore changes

[acoustic osprey]

However
We're still thinking EIPs with only human bodies

Nothing suggests they have changed from dinos 🙂

You all are just scared of the truth!!

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 as food for dinos

[fast forge]

I figured AE could put an EIP in any body they chose

[patent ginkgo]

I was thinking that EIPs could be a way to refine asset behavior in some way without the need for genetic changes

[patent ginkgo]

Multiple uses for EIP technology is a good return on investment

[fast forge]

If EIP is basically a soul, and they can make any body they want, you really start getting these moral questions about a company like AE wielding the literal power of the gods

[acoustic osprey]

In terms of altering the mind?

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

Hello ontology

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blow-galaxy-explode-boom-fireworks-gif-5139389

[lethal moat]

God please no, I don’t like my philosophy class, I’ll take the problem of evil for 500 please

[fast forge]

Yeah I can dig into the genetics stuff, but not this

[patent ginkgo]

I forgot I was useful for a moment

[lethal moat]

Oh yeah, you started that whole conversation

[patent ginkgo]

That was my moment of brilliance

Before I literally stepped backwards into the bushes again (they’re ligustrum bushes)

[acoustic osprey]

There is many ethical ideas that can appear from this game!!

[lethal moat]

Who cares about ethics, big scary dinosaur

[fast forge]

let's all laugh at this silly image

[acoustic osprey]

Nuh uh

[fast forge]

Injection number redacted for some reason

the weird B and C underneath

[patent ginkgo]

It’s a multiple choice test! Ahhh!

[fast forge]

Much cleaner version here

[lethal moat]

I do want to do more research into what exactly was injected

[fast forge]

The video only presents two things that might be injected

[lethal moat]

Oranges and dibble

[fast forge]

yeah

[lethal moat]

Or the bacteria

[fast forge]

and maybe cashews because they are mentioned

It's a post-injection evalution regarding nutrient metabolism

[patent ginkgo]

I’m assuming dibble based on the map

[acoustic osprey]

Mmm

[fast forge]

So here's an easy answer: diabloceratops originally lived loooooooong before oranges first evolved. Maybe they simply couldn't metabolize the fruit before this injection

[lethal moat]

I’m betting dibble, modified by bacteria, to eat cashews and oranges

[acoustic osprey]

The nutrients being from the modified oranges? Or something unspecified?

[acoustic osprey]

Literally bacterial injection

https://tenor.com/view/needle-injection-flick-phlebotomy-phlebotomist-gif-26149954

Is there a specific purpose given on why though?

[lethal moat]

Nutritional metabolism, probably to get them healthier via more varied diet

[fast forge]

So we have Genome designations for Dibble, oranges and cashews:

Diabloceratops - F36
Citrus sinensis - F51
Cashew nuts - F5

F-plasmids are used by scientists to transfer genes from one bacterium to another. Not sure how it plays into these two plants and dibble

[maiden sundial]

Could be used for diabloceratops to be able to digest citrus and cashews?

Considering diabloceratops was a folivore

[fast forge]

Or it could simply be a nod to a real-life technique used for gene editing

For example, I'm reading about Ti plasmids that are widely used in the genetic engineering of plants

[maiden sundial]

That and citrus is only like...8 million years old.

[fast forge]

It's possible the devs just used F-plasmids as a stand-in because they are not geneticists and neither are most of the playerbase

[maiden sundial]

So probably diablo couldn't digest fruit

[fast forge]

yeah idk

[maiden sundial]

Or couldn't take the acidity

[fast forge]

that's what I was saying earlier, to allow digestion, but it's hard to say

one of the slides in the video highlights D-Limonene, a volatile oil that gives citrus fruit their distinctive smell, and apparently it helps digestion and antibiotic resistance in cattle 🤷‍♀️

This is from an academic article

Kinda funny that it's "the TI Plasmid"

[maiden sundial]

The isle plasmid

[fast forge]

in this real case TI = 'tumor inducing'

so we've got that

We know the camera is "TC1393/1462" by combining info from these two images

[acoustic osprey]

It's likely that 1393 is the numbered tcam
Where 1462 is the camera model

[ionic sable]

Figured you all should start using the high res image instead of the glitched one you guys have been sourcing so far.

[lethal moat]

Thank you very much

[ionic sable]

Also not sure if you guys caught it, but there is a human adjusting the camera at the 1:07 mark.

[lethal moat]

We caught it, there’s just not a ton we can get out of it that’s relevant

We overanalyzed the hell out of this

[ionic sable]

Figures, I'm kinda late since I was busy most afternoon.

[lethal moat]

Even found a short tartarus referance

[ionic sable]

I mean to be fair, there isn't too much to pick apart on this one aside from the obvious.

[lethal moat]

We’ve determined that the dibble were injected with a dna altering bacteria, similar to crispr, in order to change their diet to allow for oranges and cashews

[tight summit]

i mean we get dibble out

[lethal moat]

That, and the file thing was corrupted in transit somehow, rather than the actual recording

[ionic sable]

mhm

[acoustic osprey]

I'm going to go ahead and make a clean version of this for happier times

[lethal moat]

It looks like it was filed though, so it was distorted while being transported, after it had already gotten somewhere to be analyzed

[ionic sable]

Also just started on cleaning this up a bit.

[lethal moat]

Maybe between research base and Olympus central?

[ionic sable]

Not sure how to ammend those missing chunks tho

[acoustic osprey]

The following video contains footage taken exclusively from
TC-1393/1462, highlighting the earliest defining behaviors of Diabloceratops 0.1.2. Annotations by Dr.####.####.
The unaltered footage was compiled with other video materials and satellite imagery to update behavior and migration documentation
for held manuals. Full annotations and unaltered footage remains
in Archive #.x

(for ease)

irony of "unaltered footage" LOL

[lethal moat]

Get into olympus transmitter or olympus central and gain access to all knowledge

Because the TOMB is a net loss at this point, I’ll visit that as an afterthought to Olympus

[lethal moat]

So we think the f5 stands for the genome designation rather than the location? Or maybe f5 is the camera designation, rather than the locations

[acoustic osprey]

wouldn't match for it to be GW_F5 though

[lethal moat]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

I’ll brainstorm tomorrow

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Am tired

Tomorrow I’ve got brainstorming and a legacy deep dive waiting for me

[acoustic osprey]

i know it doesn't look great
but
for the ease

this is as accurate as we can get now

but I'm finally home, thankfully

I'm going to go through and make timestamps of it all now

for each "glitch"

noteable glitch*

[hallow rover]

I have awoken, have you lot found anything interesting yet?

[acoustic osprey]

what would you count as interesting

despite, maybe, an easter egg reference to Tartarus

[hallow rover]

Well anything really

[bleak flint]

maybe the isle is like a simulator

[acoustic osprey]

oh

[hexed forge]

Well. F5 is either a mistake or I'm going insane and there is a missing clue that I can't find

[young viper]

"EAGE"

What could complete this?

[acoustic osprey]

i put them both together

https://gyazo.com/64ece999f0939ad31acbdf79bc48628a

https://gyazo.com/e6ea9dcec07f28e119b67b61890d307b

definitely says relocation next to it

[young viper]

Who would they relocate

Or what

[acoustic osprey]

the same thing

but we know tartarus relocation has been used in a phrase before though
https://gyazo.com/13b5186f9a2f29007750ac4a3dc9ae99

https://gyazo.com/c93014d77788848b733e80d6d2a72daa

bottom right
ACEM?

possible glitched section for "AEMSI"

which is the IDE primary master for both computers used in past videos

[young viper]

I Edited to be clearer

Atleast a bit

[acoustic osprey]

it's a bit like ERRANT-291
we're likely not going to be able to find out what it says very easily

[hexed forge]

Diablo was being relocated to tartarus? Hmmm.. maybe that's why one of the Dibble were moved into perimeter.... perimeter bring an enterance

[young viper]

There's something written on that blue part

You can ser a R In the middle

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[young viper]

Maybe a B

[young viper]

^not sure

[acoustic osprey]

would make sense to be a B, although R is likely.
as the R in the top doesn't match the "R" in Tartarus

albeit, it's a lot more obscure

[young viper]

More writings

At the top right corner

[acoustic osprey]

0:07, 0:09, 0:12 - nn
0:23 - AE CHIPTRACKING SYSTEM
-L1 1575, 42 MHz
12278674
12278677
12278693 NO SIGNAL
12278738
12278799
12278821
12278842
12278874
12278910
12278911 NO SIGNAL
12278963
INJECTION SITE ||@ Q10||

0:23 - Reference to Orange (shown later in video fully)
Zinc, Zn0.07 mg ~ PUFA 18:2 0.018 g
Riboflavin 0.04 mg ~ PUFA 22:6 n-3 (DHA) 0 g
Niacin 0.282 mg ~ Fatty acids, total trans 0 g

Vitamin ~~~~
Folate, total 30 μg ~ Threonine   0.015 g
Folic acid 0 μg ~ Isoleucine 0.025 g

0:36 - **AE**
            ########
            TARTARUS (Relocation?)
*+ two text mirror glitches*

0:38 - An Apollo Engineering Copyright (C), AE Software, Inc.
**AE** Injection # 002
             Diabloceratops ver. 0.1.2

0:58 - (Shown fully later)
Diabloceratops 0.1.2. Annotations by Dr.####.####.
The unaltered footage was compiled with other video materials and
unaltered footage remains
+
AE Chiptracking System Map (no changes for text)
(Glitch)
-L1 1575, 42 MHz
12278674 NO SIGNAL
12278677
12278693 NO SIGNAL
12278738
12278799
12278821
12278842
12278874
12278910 NO SIGNAL
12278911 NO SIGNAL
12278963
(Glitch)
-L1 1575, 42 MHz
12278674 NO SIGNAL
12278677
12278693 NO SIGNAL
12278738
12278799 NO SIGNAL
12278821
12278842
12278874
12278910 NO SIGNAL
12278911 NO SIGNAL
12278963

noticeable - prior was at 3:11pm ~ cut to 2:15pm (noticeably went from 2:15pm to 3:45pm and back)

1:07 - Human (unknown human)
1:08 -
The following video contains footage taken exclusively from
TC-1393/1462, highlighting the earliest defining behaviors of Diabloceratops 0.1.2. Annotations by Dr.####.####.
The unaltered footage was compiled with other video materials and satellite imagery to update behavior and migration documentation
for held manuals. Full annotations and unaltered footage remains
in Archive #.x

1:19 - same text as above appears ~ glitch to NV Diablo
1:20 - another glitch
1:26 - another glitch

Location: GW Area F5
Evaluation: ##########
Post-Review: ##########

File Type: AVI Video
Length: 00:05:14:48
Hardware: Trail Camera 1393 / 1462 TCAE-X3840-4521
Date: ##########

1:33 - Nutrient Analytic ~ Citrus sinesis - F51
Oranges, raw

Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz) ~ Fatty acids, total saturated 0.0.15 g
Energy 197 kJ (47 kcal) ~ SFA 4:0 0 g
Water 86.8 g ~ SFA 6:0 0 g
Protein 0.94 g ~ SFA 8:0 0 g
Total lipid (fat) 0.12 g ~ SFA 10:0 0 g
Ash 0.44 g ~ SFA 12:0 0 g
Carbohydrate, by difference 11.8 g ~ SFA 14:0 0 g
Fiber, total dietary 2.4 g ~ SFA 16:0 0 . 013 g
Total Sugars 9.35 g ~ SFA 18:0 0 g
Calcium. Ca 40 mg ~ Fatty acids, total monounsaturated 0.023 g
Iron, Fe 0.1 mg ~ MUFA 16:1 0.003 g
Magnesium, Mg 10 mg ~ MUFA 18:1 0.02 g
Phosphorus, P 14 mg ~ MUFA 20:1 0 g
Potassium, K 181 mg ~ MUFA 22:1 0 g
Sodium, Na 0 mg ~ Fatty Acids, total polyunsaturated 0.025 g
Zinc, Zn 0.07 mg ~ PUFA 18:2 0.018 g
Copper, Cu 0.040 mg (- 0.005 mg) ~ PUFA 18:3 0.007 g
######### ~ ######## 0 g
######### ~ ######## 0 g
######### ~ ######## n-3 (EPA) 0 g
######### ~ ######## n-3 (DPA) 0 g
######### ~ ######## n-3 (DHA) 0 g
Niacin 0.282 mg ~ Fatty acids, total trans 0 g
Pantothenic acid 0.25 m ~ Cholesterol 0 mg
Vitamin B-6 0.31 mg (+ 0.25 mg) ~ Tryptophan 0.012 g (+ 0.003 g)
Folate, total 30 μg ~ Threonine 0.015 g
Folic acid 0 μg ~ Isoleucine 0.025 g
Folate, food 30 μg ~ Leucine 0.023 g
Folate, DFE 30 μg ~ Lysine 0.047 g
Choline, total8.4 mg ~ Methionine 0.02 g
Vitamin B-12 0 μg ~ Cystine 0.01 g
Vitamin B-12, added 0 μg ~ Phenylalanine 0.031 g
Vitamin A, RAE11 μg ~ Tyrosine 0.016 g
Retinol 0 μg ~ Valine 0.04 g
Carotene, beta 71 μg ~ Arginine 0.065 g
Carotene, alpha 11 μg ~ Histidine 0.018 g
Cryptoxanthin, beta 116 μg ~ Alanine 0.05 g
Vitamin A, IU 225 IU ~ Aspartic acid 0.114 g
Lycopene 0 μg ~ Glutamic acid 0.094 g
Lutein + zeaxanthin 129 μg ~ Glycine 0.094 g
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) 0.18 mg ~ Proline 0.046
Vitamin E, added 0 mg ~ Serine 0.032 g
Vitamin D (D2 + D3), International Units 0 IV ~ Alcohol, ethy10
Vitamin D (D2 + D3) 0 μg ~ Caffeine 0 mg
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) 0 μg ~ Theobromine 0 mg

{Image of Orange tree} [Phenotype]

{Image of D-Limonene}
{Image of a sectioned circle, presumably orange slice}

Hydrogens on carbon atoms implied each carbon has 4 bonds

Methodology
The genomic DNA of Citrus
sinensis was edited in vitro
Using CRISPR/Cas9 and then
transformed into plant cells.

APOLLO ENGINEERING Research
under the scientific direction
of #########.

1:34 - AE
The materials and evaluations were submitted to
Archive # upon creation for use with the AE Field Guide.
Replication was approved as of ## / ## / ## . Development of
Diabloceratops 0.1.2 remains ongoing under the supervision
of ####.#####
1:35 - continued glitch and stop
1:45 - glitch
1:59 - glitch
2:17 - glitch
(new nutrients section for "cashew nuts")

Copper...
Manganese, Mn 0.025 mg ~ PUFA 18:4 0 G

Vitamin C, total asorbic acid 55.2 mg ~ PUFA 20:5 n-3 (EPA) 0 g
Thiamin 0.087 mg ~ PUFA 22:5 (DPA) 0 g
Riboflavin 0.04 mg ~ PUFA 22:6 (DHA) 0 g

[young viper]

Oh God

F36 genome?

[serene schooner]

They were feeding the dibble's cashew (annacardium)

[acoustic osprey]

2:31 - glitch
2:32 - unspecified human body adjusts camera
2:40 - glitch
2:43 - Nutrient analytic ~ Anacardium occidentale - F5
(incomplete at current timestamp)
Cashew nuts, raw

Water 86.8 g ~ Fatty acids, total saturated 0.015 g
Energy 47 kcal ~ SFA 4:0 0 g
Energy 197 kJ ~ SFA 6:0 0 g
Protein 0.94 g ~ SFA 8:0 0 g
Total lipid (fat) 0.12 g ~ SFA 10:0 0 g
Ash 0.44 g ~ SFA 12:0 0 g
Carbohydrate 11.8 g ~ SFA 14:0 0 g
Fiber, total dietary 2.4 g ~ SFA 16:0 0.013 g
Total Sugars 9.35 g ~ SFA 18:0 0 g
Calcium, Ca 40 mg ~ Fatty acids, total monounsaturated 0.023 g
Iron, Fe 0.1 mg ~ MUFA 16:1 0.003 g
Magnesium, Mg 10 mg ~ MUFA 18:1 0.02 g
Phosphorus, P 14 mg ~ MUFA 20:1 0 g
Potassium, K 181 mg ~ MUFA 22:1 0 g
Sodium, Na 0 mg ~ Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated 0.025 g
Zinc, Zn 0.07 mg ~ PUFA 18:2 0.018 g
Copper, Cu 0.045 mg ~ PUFA 18:3 0.007 g
Manganese, Mn 0.025 mg ~ PUFA 18:4 0 g
Selenium, Se 0.5 μg ~ PUFA 20:4 0 g
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid 53.2 mg ~ PUFA 20:5 n-3 (EPA) 0 g
Thiamin 0.087 mg ~ PUFA 22:5 (DPA) 0 g
Riboflavin 0.04 mg ~ PUFA 22:6 (DHA) 0 g
Niacin 0.282 mg ~ Fatty acids, total trans 0 g
Pantothenic acid 0.25 m ~ Cholesterol 0 mg
Vitamin B-6 0.06 mg ~ Tryptophan 0.009 g
Folate, total 30 μg ~ Threonine 0.015 g
Folic acid 0 μg ~ Isoleucine 0.025 g
Folate, food 30 μg ~ Leucine 0.025 g
Folate, DFE 30 μg ~ Lysine 0.023 g
Choline, total 8.4 mg ~ Methionine 0.02 g
Vitamin B-12 0 μg ~ Cystine 0.01 g
Vitamin B-12, added 0 μg ~ Phenylalanine 0.031 g
Vitamin A, RAE 11 μg ~ Tyrosine 0.016 g
Retinol 0 μg ~ Valine 0.04 g
Carotene, beta 71 μg ~ Arginine 0.065 g
Carotene, alpha 11 μg ~ Histidine 0.018 g
Cryptoxanthin, beta 116 μg ~ Alanine 0.05 g
Vitamin A, IU 225 IU ~ Aspartic acid 0.114 g
Lycopene 0 μg ~ Glutamic acid 0.094 g
Lutein + zeaxanthin 129 μg ~ Glycine 0.094 g
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) 0.18 mg ~ Proline 0.046
Vitamin E, added 0 mg ~ Serine 0.032 g
Vitamin D (D2 + D3), International Units 0 IU ~ Alcohol, ethy 0 g
Vitamin D (D2 + D3) 0 μg ~ Caffeine 0 mg
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) 0 μg ~ Theobromine 0 mg

{Image of Cashew Nut tree} [Phenotype]

{Image of Vitamin B1 (C12H17N4OS)+ thiamine}
{Image of a sliced cashew nut}

Nutrient enrichment of the vitamin B complex
potentially particularly interesting.

Methodology
The genomic DNA of Anacardium occidentale was
edited in vitro using CRISPR/Cas9 and then
transformed into plant cells

APOLLO ENGINEERING Research under the
scientific direction of #########.

[fast forge]

yeah I was getting sleepy when I thought of this, the F5 I saw was in a similar position to the F36 for dibble and the F51 for orange so I assumed it was genomic data for cashews, completely forgetting GW_F5

[fast forge]

Thank you for all the timestamps btw, very helpful, I kept losing my place yesterday

[acoustic osprey]

.
2:58 - Glitch ~ "AE Field Guide"
3:18 - Glitch ~ "An Apollo Engineering Copyright ... Diabloceratops ver. ..."
3:19 - Mirrored image glitch
3:25 - Glitch - "The following video contains footage taken ..."
3:44 - Glitch - Shows large majority of "Nutrient Analytic" for "Cashew nut, raw"
3:45 - Glitch plays again for Cashew nut ~ BETTER VIEW
4:30 - Glitch - Deep-fried version of "Cashew nut"
5:06 - Diabloceratops - F36 Genome ~ Incomplete image
5:15 - Glitch
5:22 - Another glitch
~ includes "Location: GW Area F5 ..." information
~ includes Diabloceratops genome image more "fuller"
5:31 - Camera is knocked by carnivore
~ includes "Location: GW...."
~ includes "AE Field Guide"

[acoustic osprey]

no worries 👌

[acoustic osprey]

also with this
https://gyazo.com/689317fc8668df50a99786fbdd25e4a8

isle video description has it down as "ARCHIVE (7)"

[fast forge]

I think the archive # is redacted in other spots, thought that was strange

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
no mention of the archive number
only in the description

[fast forge]

I think it came up elsewhere because I saw it and I didn't read the video description, but I'm rather sleepy now so I dunno

[acoustic osprey]

nah, no mention of 7 anywhere

[fast forge]

So I was barking up the wrong tree when I had said earlier that this was a bacterial plasmid map. This is because my own genetics knowledge is a bit out of date (2015). In 2019 geneticists started using circular maps for genome analyses, and these types of maps fit the dibble genome image very well (like the "Circos" visualization shown here)

The invention of this method in 2019 does bring us back to the question of "what year is it?", but it's plausible that in-canon AE simply came up with a similar method of genome mapping

[fast forge]

Or none of the devs are geneticists, so they didn't know this form of mapping was so new, and just found some cool looking images to work with (the most likely answer)

[young viper]

Lol at first I thought this full image was like some circular laboratory door/prison with the middle part broken off

[fast forge]

The designation "Diabloceratops - F36" is a little confusing as F designations are used for F-plasmids not entire eukaryotic genomes, but this can also be explained by "the devs just thought it was cool"

[fast forge]

I think out of all this, my favorite part of the dibble video is just the quiet scenes of dibble life. Them just hanging out, nesting, sleeping, munching food

[lethal moat]

I like the babies playing

[fast forge]

I love it so much

and gives babies something to do

I want more juvie playtime

[lethal moat]

I love the noises

[upbeat latch]

Think that large carnivore is actually the rex? looks like right build, and large so that limits options

[lethal moat]

I’m betting rex because it’s easiest and not of major consequence at the moment

[meager junco]

I saw someone posted something about horns on the shadow, wonder if it’s maybe an elder or hyper but I feel like a hypers shadow would be bigger

[patent ginkgo]

This is the Augustus skull cavity all over again

[meager junco]

I’m not getting that deep lol

Especially after h4, I’m taking a break from delving deep into researching

[patent ginkgo]

lol

[upbeat latch]

I think that was just the lighting stretching the nubs

Not many carnivores have sharp horns that are big enough to match size, allo too small and rex has been confirmed to be worked on atm

[fast forge]

I think it was just a teaser for the animal after dibble, rex. That simple. Why hype people about hypers or allo or alberto when rex is literally the next thing on the roadmap?

[lethal moat]

Rex is the easy answer and that’s what I’m going with

[strange shell]

It was a cyborg type-T herrera I swear

[lethal moat]

Silence heretic

[iron anchor]

i think it’s just shadows being distorted over rough terrain

the shadow doesn’t look big enough to be a hyper

we had the close up of diablo booty next to the same camera so you can use that for size reference

my bad i’m bad at reading

[patent ginkgo]

The shadow could very well be Shirley as well

[iron anchor]

on the augustus video we got to hear shirley’s roar right?

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah

[iron anchor]

so this is probably just a continuation, maybe even imagery of the rex getting closer (to release)

[meager junco]

I mean don said she wouldn’t be in this video so I’m assuming it’s just a random Rex (if it’s a Rex)

[patent ginkgo]

Ah

[meager junco]

That’s what I thought as well

[meager junco]

It’s possible it is tho, things might’ve changed since he said that a month ago

[iron anchor]

yeah my bad i just can’t read

[meager junco]

You good

[scarlet verge]

Is Shirley a specific Rex? I thought it was just a nickname for any Rex

[patent ginkgo]

It’s a specific individual

Similar to Augustus

[lethal moat]

Shirley has a special place in the heart of the people and the stomach of the matriarch

[scarlet verge]

Lol thanks both of yall for the clarification. I thought it was kind of like a John Cake

[meager junco]

I’ma send vhagar upon you

https://tenor.com/view/house-of-the-dragon-hot-d-gif-26980149

[ionic sable]

Or the videos from AE take place over the course of several years, thus the large variation in the type of technology visualized, and the type of mechanical failures experienced being shown as wildly different when compared between the living roadmap, Augustus video, and Diablo video.

[ionic sable]

Are you familiar with this? Or is this all just research you are doing for this.

[fast forge]

I have some experience with genetics, yeah

[hexed forge]

Its like.. 110% a rex. But another believeable theory is that. It was a neuro rex Thats why there was EM damage to the camera before

Unlikely but way more believeable than fricking allo and bary for me

[strange shell]

What about neuro allo

[plush widget]

could it have been a albertosaurus?

[strange shell]

Which can alter its appearance to look like a rex

[strange shell]

Doubt it, as albertosaurus isn't rigged or animated yet

[fast forge]

I had also wondered if it was neuro interference that caused the video problems, but the simpler explanation is that the video was corrupted in some mundane way and the rex at the end is just a rex

[strange shell]

The camera probably didn't like being left abandoned in the wilderness for 30 years

[fast forge]

Nah, we saw a human/gen 2 come and fix the camera after it got bumped by the nesting dibble. They were caring for the camera

[ionic sable]

[strange shell]

Oh right

[fast forge]

I wonder if maybe the rex stepped on the camera, and that's why the video ended there

[strange shell]

Hmmm
Likely

Or maybe the fall just broke it

[fast forge]

And if they are using cameras in the vicinity of these high-power fences, they may normally have shielding within the camera box. But when the rex stepped on the camera it may have broken the EM shielding

[strange shell]

However
How did a gen 2 manage to get in the middle of a dibble nesting site without getting gored

[fast forge]

Typically trailcams are built to be extremely resilient

[ionic sable]

The actual location on the map is a decent distance away from those high power fences.

[fast forge]

fair point

[meager junco]

As much as I’d like that to be the case, I very much doubt it

[hexed forge]

Yeah, but I feel like its more believable than the fricking bary theory

[meager junco]

That’s one heavy bary

[hexed forge]

They just saw 3 long line shadows and instantly thought.

"OMG THATS EITHER AN ALLO OR BARY"

[lethal moat]

It rexy I think

[meager junco]

Tbf could be any big apex theropod but I’m leaning towards Rex

I’ve also watched the video only once so I’d have to go back and relook

[lethal moat]

Yeah

Potential returning of baby dibble because I am a spiteful man

Also, that footage was documented, so I think it was corrupted being transferred away from a central database to somewhere else

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
That's kinda illuminated in the video

[iron anchor]

helldivers 2 reference?

[lethal moat]

[iron anchor]

i couldnt stop myself

[acoustic osprey]

I don't understand
It's referred to that the video was corrupted due to electromagnetic damage upon retrieval

[iron anchor]

the babies lived long full potato lives after the video

[lethal moat]

Shot dead in downtown detroit by the Troodon mafia

[iron anchor]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

NO potential

Just like errant 291

[lethal moat]

I believe in the dibblets

[pseudo fable]

Errant 291 is just a shadow on a rock. Or is it a shadow of a rock? The world may never know.

[lethal moat]

Errant 291 is a whimsical spirit from german legend

[acoustic osprey]

A single thread within a larger tapestry

[iron anchor]

dondi do you like or take any inspiration from scp foundation?

[hexed forge]

Oh look don is in the chat, I wonder if he would bless me with lore to a question

Was the human in the video a gen 2 or an actual employee for AE

[fast forge]

^^^

Bless us with scraps of knowledge

[hexed forge]

^^^^ YEPPPP

He disappeared into the shadows

[acoustic osprey]

Ha

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-disappears-bush-hiding-gif-3377649

[iron anchor]

the numbers were neuron activation

[meager junco]

Nah he’s not here, must be at the rock

[acoustic osprey]

Don — 16/11/2023 03:18
I wouldn't say worship. Some are very animal-esque.

Don — 16/11/2023 03:18
They don't really have the cognitive ability to worship.

Don — 16/11/2023 03:21
No. It's a bit simpler than that.

It knows where it comes from.

I find these messages very important for understanding cognitive function within the broad array of Generation Ones

[fast forge]

I like the idea that Gen 1 are eusocial, like ants

[acoustic osprey]

however
it may be that this is due to the varying change of development by AE.

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[young viper]

did he say... Shadow?!

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-edgy-gun-4chan-chungus-gif-22492410

Its sad how dibble didnt get a name, like shirley, augustus, etc

[acoustic osprey]

because many dibbles!!

[acoustic osprey]

but we can call the juvies Rocks and Shadows 😊

[fast forge]

Augustus had an emergent ability to climb, that other hererras did not have, for dibbles they were just observing their behavior

[hexed forge]

@sand basin See, this is why dibble isnt special

[icy onyx]

@sand basin

[polar pendant]

@sand basin

[hexed forge]

Yeah @sand basin

[polar pendant]

Lmfao we invaded islecord just to ping nova, aight i'm out now

[hexed forge]

@polar pendant Get back in here

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
They were not important enough!

[acoustic osprey]

I'll be going over my large post from yesterday about everything from the dibble video

And lll compile it into the lore document

[lethal moat]

[crisp raven]

Errantdon 292.

[fallow harbor]

please, those baby dibbles need to be returning characters

[stiff quiver]

guys what do you thing about new clip

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1224480442372063444/JIMDANCING.gif

[stiff quiver]

I wanted to ask about Rex, who appears at the end of the video you actually know right? ...

[acoustic osprey]

ha, no one knows for sure

no hard confirmation on it yet

[stiff quiver]

i think its alberto or allo

[strange shell]

oh boy here we go again

[acoustic osprey]

working on "HD"ing the glitched slides from the Dibble video

I'm currently in the process of finishing the cashew nut one

[ebon patrol]

Wait there was a Rex at the end of the video?

[acoustic osprey]

we don't know

[steel summit]

maybe, maybe not, i think it was a rex but without confirmation we cannot know

[strange shell]

No it was a Haast eagle

[ebon patrol]

Your sure it was a random eagle

[strange shell]

Not a random one
Haast eagle

[iron anchor]

it was a very large troodon

[strange shell]

No, I'm 100% sure it was koolasuchus

[steel summit]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[young viper]

i still want to know this Dr.'s name

[acoustic osprey]

DR Rodrigo Vega!!

(cant be, last name is longer than first)

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-tai-lung-gif-25696486

[acoustic osprey]

I do hope we learn some about these doctors

so we know "X" does this
and so forth

and not just assuming what unknown doctors might do

[fast forge]

it's "field" manuals, not held manuals

[acoustic osprey]

typo, thanks

[scarlet verge]

What do we think was the point of adding the compositional makeup of the variegated oranges and cashews?

Just to show that they have used CRISPR to alter the dna of plants? And have the ability to alter animal dna too?

I mean I know they started as an agriculture business, but why those two specifically or at all

[patent ginkgo]

Something to do with Diablo metabolism in the report

[acoustic osprey]

likely in try out CRISPR technology in enhance the plants' survivability and/or use in the ecosystem and in how they are used to improve edibility + effects upon herbis

[scarlet verge]

Ok that makes sense. I saw the other day, people talked about how Dibble may not have been able to digest some of them without alterations to either Dibble or the plants or both, but what if the point is for them to pass through undigested and then get "organically" planted around the island?

That could be a reason migration zones change or why the plants are located in patches around the island

[patent ginkgo]

I could see that being likely for some things, but stuff like cashews that have big seeds would just get crunched up anyway

Oranges would be more likely to survive

[scarlet verge]

I'm just trying to think what else they included in the video and why. Other than talking about the shadow lol. I think there's a lot of stuff in there that will make sense later, but for now they seem like random jumbles. Don knows we've been wanting lore for awhile and I think this was a way to add a lot more than appears on the surface

[acoustic osprey]

diablo genome

tiny easter egg to Tartarus

and Gateway grid map

[scarlet verge]

Oh the grid map is a really good point. And well done on pretty much getting it exact months ago

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1224480442372063444/JIMDANCING.gif

[patent ginkgo]

I do wonder if the botany lore in the vid was planned before or after I asked for a botany lore dump a while back

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of general QoL for Lore
Gateway grid map is the best part of the dibble

[fast forge]

the orange seeds would almost certainly pass through the dibbles gut

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

hence the CRISPR part, if such is true

[fast forge]

that must have been really validating, to see your version of the map is so close to theirs

[acoustic osprey]

not really
just hours of pain now no longer, ha!

but is good to know that it didn't go to no avail

[fast forge]

yeah!

[slow delta]

Wow all this time waiting for fake lore sauce aka advertising up-coming game features with pseudo lore elements

[patent ginkgo]

Huh

[lethal moat]

?

[lethal moat]

I’m focusing on those tracking chip numbers, wondering if we’ll se any of those ever again

[lethal moat]

Alright, hear me out on this one

I think one of the strains for spino should have at least some small sign of baleen

[upbeat latch]

blasphemer! the spino has suffered enough, let's not bring back the dark days of marine mammal spino

[lethal moat]

Spinofaurus is man’s greatest rendition of spino

[blazing hinge]

Nay, 'tis this

[lethal moat]

In all reality, I enjoy tadpole tail spino the best

[fast forge]

Here's our injection site btw

just a hilly palm savanna near the beach

[lethal moat]

<@&933486433342222376>

Thank you

[fast forge]

ty

[fallow harbor]

i thought it was somehwere compeltely differant

[lethal moat]

Looks like a good spot to pull up, push some potatoes out of a boat, and bounce

[fallow harbor]

i thought the inkection site was here 😭

[lethal moat]

That’s where the dibble’s were chilling

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1224906148977578034/image-2.png?ex=661f31bf&is=660cbcbf&hm=0bf91154c6314a2af6583a01e5be5bffee0b9594171b99c92be2fd2df293e566&

[fallow harbor]

then whats this ?

[lethal moat]

The injection site is labeled

[fallow harbor]

OHHHHHHH

[fallow harbor]

i thought that was here

[lethal moat]

I eagerly await “Tartarus Release” with a label, so we can see a GUTS tunnel that runs there

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/flying-pig-fly-high-flying-lechon-gif-14091799

when pigs fly...

[lethal moat]

[fast forge]

look, I'll be over the moon if it happens

[lethal moat]

Let me dream

[fast forge]

turns out 'Tartarus' was the friends we made along the way

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184681758231363636/1206819786647150652/Views_on_lore.png?ex=661dff02&is=660b8a02&hm=66ee2e41765fa7c5b6520b78cf3ce35693ea68acb31db22f2518ad64e6a0dc5e&

[fast forge]

I have a plushie that looks like that carno

[lethal moat]

Ooo, fun

I wonder if dinosaurs will have incentives to go into the domes, if they can even get in, maybe for specific mutations?

[lethal moat]

[fast forge]

the tracking data in the dibble video kinda suggests that animals can move in and out of them

unless that particular dibble was underground

[lethal moat]

At the point in time that those dibbles were recorded

[fast forge]

yes

which, I would think during AE's operations on the island the domes would be closed up, and then only opened post-incident, but who knows

[lethal moat]

Being able to section things off would be important I feel, like closing that one tunnel between swamp and river delta, or closing hyper gates, or closing the doors to perimeter, not only for safety, but also to isolate ecosystems

[fast forge]

yeah, I was a little surprised how freely the dibbles moved around according to the migration data

Okay THIS is the definitive shot of the Injection site

and it's nothing

Since this video dropped, I've wondered if it's not the site of a medical injection, but rather the place where they "injected" a species like dibble into the island ecosystem

Although an ecologist would be more likely to use a term like "release site" or what have you

[lethal moat]

That’s what my original assumption was

[fast forge]

From a scientific perspective it just makes things more confusing to call it an "injection site" when no medical injections were performed there

[lethal moat]

Was there dibble on the island before the injection? It seems like something was changed and that’s why it was archived so specifically

[fast forge]

I would guess no, as they used the archived footage to determine a baseline for dibble behaviors and migration patterns

suggesting it was new info for AE

we also know this was the second injection, whatever that means

[lethal moat]

So we’re possibly seeing the first introduction of a new organism to a complex (maybe not too complex at the time dibble was there) ecosystem

[fast forge]

maybe?

[scarlet verge]

Could the tracked animal from the dome be the Rex? Yes, I'm calling it that. But throughout the video it looks like it's making a direct line towards the Dibbles. Do we have the screenshots of the tracked assets in order?

[lethal moat]

Second iteration of dibble?

[fast forge]

we do know that it's dibble 0.1.2

[scarlet verge]

I'm wondering if they start going offline linearly to that dot moving toward the herd

[lethal moat]

I’m calling it rex because that’s what’s being worked on and it’s of no consequence

[scarlet verge]

Lol I was just saying it not to derail the convo back to that one

I agree with you on that btw

[lethal moat]

Mhm, that’s why I’m guessing that it was the second introduction, maybe the first all died, or they’re the scattered ones, either way, likely didn’t work too well the first time, so they made alterations and brought it back

[scarlet verge]

Also, aren't all assets 0.1.2 so far? Galli and Cera were in their videos and sheets right?

[fast forge]

I know herra is 0.1.2

[lethal moat]

Yep, likely fine tuning as time goes on

I’m actually thinking it’s a reference to legacy, because the ones we have lore on that have returned from legacy are 0.1.2, but new stuff like beipi is 0.1.1

A bit of an easter egg, if you would

[scarlet verge]

Here was what I was saying about the dome dino possibly being Rex. In the first one, the dot is in the dome, then in the second they're almost together, then in the third there's only one dot again and not one in the dome

[lethal moat]

I think that what we were shown would only be dibble, but let me take another look

[fast forge]

the clincher would be if one of the ID tags goes offline between those frames

[scarlet verge]

That's what I was thinking too. But I'm not sure 100% in order, I need to go back through the video, but I can't do that until later tonight

I ended up going back through the chat to grab those screenshots

[lethal moat]

I think it’s all the dibble that were specifically released, not anything else, just tracking the new assets

[scarlet verge]

That's what I thought at first too, but then they start going offline, so it's just a theory I thought of

[lethal moat]

Especially because it marks the tracking chips that have gone offline, because those dibble likely didn’t survive the island, so they’re seeing the effectiveness of the organism

[scarlet verge]

Yeah there's also some other dots that go out, so it could just be coincidence

[lethal moat]

I’ll need to look over it

[scarlet verge]

But I also know they've been cooking this video for awhile

[lethal moat]

Hold on a second, there aren’t any fences in that lower southwestern half if the island are there? Why just fences limiting movement to the north, and not the south? Dibble was released in a very open part if the island, not a restricted part, why are certain areas so much more closed off than others?

[fast forge]

maybe large zones to study migration, smaller zones for things like herra

[scarlet verge]

Why is the injection site on the beach and not the dome? Did they get brought in by boat and injected as they got offloaded? There's nothing really of consequence down there, unless the swamp has some sort of importance

But good point about fences in NE and not SW

[fast forge]

dibbles are definitely dying off over time by their tracking data

[lethal moat]

Herrera can climb over the gates, I think the zones are specifically to study larger things

[fast forge]

I meant before Augustus, when they couldn't climb

[lethal moat]

Still small enough to slip between the drainage pipes or the bars in certain areas

[fast forge]

yeah probably, bad example

[lethal moat]

Now I go back to theorizing about those broke hyper fences

I need to get an overlay of fences on that chip tracking map, probably after upcoming map changes

[fast forge]

9 chiptracking ID's, 9 dots on the map (discounting the glitchy dot on the island that eventually glitches off the map entirely)

Same 9 individuals

Individual at K15 and the one south of that position die

Herding group seen in video stays together the whole time

with 2 lone individuals

[scarlet verge]

Ah so the one in the dome was one of the lone individuals

[hexed forge]

Wait a second, do you think that dibble is being transported off the island??? Or did something eat it and lunged it on the coast

[scarlet verge]

Ok so that theory is out

[fast forge]

neither, I think it is just a video glitch

[lethal moat]

It’s a result of glitchy screen

[hexed forge]

Ah alr

[fast forge]

Especially since there are 9 other dots and 9 ID's

[scarlet verge]

But we can assume that the babies aren't being tracked? Or would the injection allow them to be tracked if it's in the blood?

[fast forge]

This image adds a 5th death, perhaps the herd member who dies to omnis

[hexed forge]

2 being dead

[lethal moat]

I don’t think the babies would be tracked, unless they were chipped after birth

[scarlet verge]

I know there was talk about being nested in could keep Gen 2s from being able to track

[fast forge]

No, wild-born individuals would not be tracked, as we are told this is a "chiptracking" system

[hexed forge]

Wait no, there is 11 in total? Counting the "dead" ones

[scarlet verge]

Ok that's what I thought, just making sure

[fast forge]

yes, 11 counting the dead

the dead ones don't have dots

[hexed forge]

Alr

[scarlet verge]

Thanks for going back and double checking and getting those screenshots

[fast forge]

I didn't include the prior data showing 10 living individuals because it's too glitchy to see much of anything

We can extrapolate that Individual #12278799 is likely this dibble, as we can't really see any dots disappear on the map, so it was probably the member of the herd that died

Although the map data does not align with the video data at all, in terms of placement within the video (all of the map images are from the beginning of the video). It's likely that the map data shows migration across the entirety of the video, not just adjacent frames.

I still think the dibble that gets mobbed by omnis is individual #12278799

[fast forge]

Also want to amend something here: You CAN see some of the dot movement, despite the glitches. We have a pair of dibbles here

In the next frame the chiptracking tells us a dibble (#12278911) has died, but this map is one of the glitchiest

[lethal moat]

[fast forge]

And then here we see that the pair is now a lone dibble, after #12278911 has died

Between these two frames we see two more individuals die (#12278674 and #12278910)

But in that 2nd image you can see the lone dibble from the pair is still alive in the bottom left of the image

I think the bottom right dot (from 1st image) that is between Swamps/River Delta is one of the dead ones
And the dot just northeast of Perimeter disappears too

[lethal moat]

So they're either dying or grouping up

[fast forge]

Also all of them trend to a northeast direction - maybe heading for an MZ?

[lethal moat]

I'm trying to figure if there's currently any migration zones in that area, maybe teno?

[fast forge]

The nesting site is not a current MZ, I think, but it does have MZ foods visible in the video

[hexed forge]

Upper Riverdelta MZ

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-of-madagascar-skipper-kowalski-analysis-analysis-madagascar-gif-23546606

[hexed forge]

The upper riverdelta MZ however does not reach that nesting site

Also I have a theory that the injection site, is where the dibbles were released onto the island.