isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

i do hope a lot consideration is taken though

[meager junco]

I mean we know some aspects are returning and might have the same reasoning for all we know, like we never knew what strains were for in legacy iirc, so they might have the same meaning in evrima

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-meth-gif-26319392

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167557586699178054/1214412566319734805/C249E055-6103-4C6A-85D1-6881965FFB6D.jpg?ex=65f904d6&is=65e68fd6&hm=9326a35cf91185028cbda93588c3ea9aab9c13d97a66124389a1cddc4488d926&
Dondi Quote time

this has gotten me a bit curious though

[lethal moat]

It depends on what you describe as "the physical location" of a program, would it be a massive supercomputer off the island?

[acoustic osprey]

I do wonder by this description
As much as it practically deconfirms the replicator's physical location being seen in-game
Pondering over whether that's because it's off-island or it's in-island, but they just don't want us to see - i.e. Locked room/facility we'll never be able to access

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, but that's the thing
if Don was 100% sure on "no we won't see it in-game" then I'd it's likely off-island

but, Don seemed to be a bit unsure? At least, not truly confirming or deconfirming anything

[lethal moat]

Repliactor vs tools of the replicator distinction time

[acoustic osprey]

Makes me wonder why not

albeit, I presume our mission, then, isn't anything to turn off Replicator

she must be too valuable to destroy completely

at least, that's what I'm getting from this

[lethal moat]

There's lots of things we could guess, it's pretty vague, and not even definate, I'm going to let that quote sit for now

[acoustic osprey]

relatively vague.
It just seems less so vague and more so unsure

but the physical location, of course, =/= devices used by the Replicator to function

from this quote, at least, we can take that she is both body (Server machine/computer, etc) but also tool(s), which don't need to be physically part of such

the "written out descriptively" part made me think a bit. English sucks.
But through context clues- it literally being "written down" of the idea of her "physical location" -> and artwork was made of such

[strange shell]

The replicator is the island
Like Earth in H2G2

[acoustic osprey]

WHICH is REALLY cool.
The general concept of her "main/core/body/brain" exists as a physical idea and artwork now

[acoustic osprey]

we are it's protectors

[strange shell]

We definitely are

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah
I'd say more so meta-wise owning island due to creation

literally being the Gaia of Gateway and friends (other islands)

to some extent

maybe a bit less of a mind than Gaia (Gaea)? Until, at least, Apollo lost control

or she literally just NPCs her programming, like a confused NPC, without a guideline

[strange shell]

I wonder how sentient the Replicator is

[acoustic osprey]

depending if we're going cliche AI
or more realistic AI

but, cliche doesn't mean bad though. If we go done that route, just hopefully she is done right through the tropes

[strange shell]

Or a human brain in formol
Or several human brains in formol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-arrakis-dune-part-1-harkonnen-atreides-gif-14949351589185319331

seeing as EIPs now exist
there could be a possibility it's linked?

[strange shell]

We are the replicator

The Replicator is within all of us

[acoustic osprey]

possibly harvesting profiles? Using successful/unsuccessful ones literally or meta-literally

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-fives-clone-trooper-fives-star-wars-clone-wars-gif-25445851

ERRANT-291 was just having his Fives arc finished

he went insane
he knew the answer to it all

the mission... the nightmares... now it's finally over

god I hope we got something like this IF this was relatively true/similar

[strange shell]

You mean he went sane

[acoustic osprey]

quite literally

that's the fun irony
the insanity of sanity is often underlooked

[lethal moat]

It's all arbitrary really

[ionic sable]

I just had a funny idea.

Thanks.

[meager junco]

So someone gave me this idea by reminding me about Horizon zero dawns AIs

What if the replicator split herself into different sections of the island, one of her versions would be “Tartarus Replicator” another would be Olympus/Olympus transmitter Replicator” the names are a bit funky but that’s just an example to get a picture of it

[fallow harbor]

like the infiitnity stones

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-marvel-small-price-pay-for-salvation-gif-14748250

We've yet to see any evidence of replicator interaction beyond creation, I think it's just a machine, not sentient or whatever

[fallow harbor]

i think its a self aware ai

[lethal moat]

I'm not even sure it would be self aware

[strange shell]

Are we even self aware ?

[fallow harbor]

no

[hexed forge]

weo

[hexed forge]

woah

[ionic sable]

Wait a second, that hashtag looks different...

Have I been using the wrong font this entire time?

[meager junco]

👀

Is this actually part of the dibble video?

[pseudo fable]

Stole a frame from it, yes.

[meager junco]

Noiceee, glad it’s getting worked on

[hexed forge]

LORE

Injection? So may I ask a question.

Does it involve humans(In the video)

[pseudo fable]

This is the first video that shows a human in any capacity.

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[pseudo fable]

It isn't long and it isn't much. They must be done right, so it's more of a "Wait was that what I thought it was?" moment.

[hexed forge]

So, a sniper?

[soft spade]

this is exciting

[meager junco]

Hoping Shirley is the star in the video after

[hexed forge]

No I am the star

[young viper]

From one to 10, how is dibble's development going in your opinion?

[strange shell]

Woah
4 words
Lots of lore

[lethal moat]

Neato

[strange shell]

Can't wait to see the video and make crazy theories with Rump about it

[lethal moat]

Hold up, Injection? Is Diablo being put somewhere it wasn't supposed to be?

[hexed forge]

So the humans, are injecting dibble with something. A tracker? Biotrace? DISCUSS PEOPLE

Well with the existance of EIPs.... trackers wouldnt make sense

[pseudo fable]

7. Did a review last night. Diablo still needs work on when it can displace and move other animals around, including in a spar.

[strange shell]

A consciousness

[lethal moat]

I'm thinking dibble is the thing being injected into something else

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-overthinking-idea-dont-uderstand-problem-gif-9955372782358568798

[ebon patrol]

Hi don:D

[strange shell]

Put a dibble larva inside a rex so the rex gets eaten from inside

[hexed forge]

That could be the case, either something being injected into it or it being injected into something

[strange shell]

What if it was the other way around
Instead of injecting human minds into dinos
They're injecting dino minds into humans

[lethal moat]

Or just put Dibble in an ecosystem it wasn't in previously, like moving it to a different sector and seeing how it interacts

[hexed forge]

What if I bonk you

[strange shell]

You have been injected with a pachy's mind

[hexed forge]

I doubt that would be called an injection, many other words exist.

[hexed forge]

I am a pachy main

[strange shell]

All according to plan

[hexed forge]

Dondi what do you think of the idea of gen 2s killing other gen 2s?(Gamewise)

[strange shell]

Gen 2s canibaloing

Real lore question

As a human, is eating a Gen 2 considered cannibalism ?

[hexed forge]

That is my plan

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-it-is-part-plan-explain-gif-20448886

[acoustic osprey]

Heck yeah

[young viper]

Lore

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

[hexed forge]

@patent ginkgo Its time to stare at plants in that picture to identify the location of that scene on gateway

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hexed forge]

Oh wow, I think I know where that is

That is a water source on the top left of the pic right?

[acoustic osprey]

Looks like it

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

[crystal cairn]

I wonder why the word "injection" is used specifically? Isn't injection a thing admins/devs do? Or is there actual in-game use of the word?

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

We'll have to see

This is the first of its kind for us

[crystal cairn]

why when we can discuss right meow

so it is! interesting

"injection" becomes lore canon?

[hexed forge]

Not the legacy community term..

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on the meaning of injection in this context

[acoustic osprey]

Possibly something about EIPs though with injection?
"Any capacity"

[crystal cairn]

hmm

[hexed forge]

🔫 Shhhhhhh

[crystal cairn]

?

[acoustic osprey]

I don't think this is lore related

[hexed forge]

yea lol

[crystal cairn]

I'm confused but okay, I just remember punch saying that and when I saw the teaser it's the first message I thought of

[acoustic osprey]

In that context

Punch literally just injected the players with diablo to try around

[hexed forge]

The water is wayyy too clear to be a river hmm, its a pond/lake

[lethal moat]

It works, though you could also be right

[hexed forge]

Dondi if you are in chat can you confirm if the area in the video exists on the map

[acoustic osprey]

H4...

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[meager junco]

That’s what I’m thinking

[lethal moat]

I think this area is near where the river forks before going under that larger bridge

[hexed forge]

If you are thinking of a river, stop thinking. The river isnt that clear.

[lethal moat]

Trust

[meager junco]

I’m not assuming any location after h4 lol

[acoustic osprey]

^

whatever map version Don and Seiza are using
it's 100% not going to be the same version as ours

[meager junco]

Exactly, I don’t want to delve deep into something that might not even be accurate , unless it’s 100% exactly how it is on our map

[acoustic osprey]

definitely would need confirmation

[meager junco]

But I’m just happy the video is getting worked on, especially since it says injecting, and with EIP being back on the menu, I’m thinking it can only mean one thing

[lethal moat]

The water's blue, not brown, so it's likely either oceanwater that isn't in yet or a pond

[nimble fractal]

OMG HUMANS???? foams at mouth

[lethal moat]

[meager junco]

Supposedly they’re gonna be easy to miss so keep your eyes open when watching

[patent ginkgo]

I’ll try…

[patent ginkgo]

Hi David

[icy onyx]

👀

Hi

[patent ginkgo]

Quite so

[hexed forge]

Davids Prescence alerted the lore community

[patent ginkgo]

(I saw him typing)

[ornate silo]

What is project laz?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-eyeglass-exellent-question-gif-12818139

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-know-unaccompanied-minors-i-dont-know-how-should-i-know-gif-20710352

[meager junco]

Isn’t project Lazarus the idea of the isle? Or something

[acoustic osprey]

it's a PRETTY early term within The Isle Legacy lore
You can find it on Isle's old website (unsure if it still exists anymore though lol)

The term is a bit misleading
apparently things (especially data logs) were "left by Project Lazarus"- so it sounds like PL was a replacement for AE.
This was when, though, there was three human classes- mercs, rangers and poachers

[meager junco]

Poachers hm…I wonder if that’s what you called humans who hunted down dinosaurs just because in the old lore, EIPs were basically related to the player being the dinosaur, so any act of hunting the dinosaurs was seen as bad by AE I’d assume

[acoustic osprey]

this was prior to EIPs being a thing

[meager junco]

Oh really

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[meager junco]

Oh ok my bad then

Scratch that idea

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-spiderman1-misery-misery-misery-thats-what-youve-chosen-gif-24284926

[hexed forge]

Link? (If it still exists)

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-spider-man-peter-parker-tobey-maguire-gif-17446116

[acoustic osprey]

funnily enough, Lazarus is the 2nd reference we have on Hebrew-based/loosely-inspired things in The Isle

such word actually refers also to "God has helped"
which is quite interesting, in terms of the mythology aspect

[meager junco]

I was just looking that up

I mean it kinda makes sense in some ways with what we think AE is trying to do, they are trying to help the world most likely

[acoustic osprey]

it's gone, iirc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/551014375402766336/IsleDesc.png?ex=65f43ba0&is=65e1c6a0&hm=de54067f0dafefccfc2434691d6760c89d9b0203c0732d7352a1e4561bebb316&
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNfaUTvgMVX7_cBj9jcx3uw/about
https://lutris.net/games/the-isle/

but you can find it on links like this
one is a photo from the website
one is from their YouTube topic about me
and one is from a website that promotes indie games

The Isle is an open-world multiplayer dinosaur sandbox game that will feature several different user created game modes.
The first game mode being developed is an open-world survival experience where players will choose to play as one of three human factions; Rangers, Mercenaries or Poachers. They will face off against the primeval inhabitants of The Isle with superior fire power and technology, relying on their wits to survive the hostile environment and their force of will to endure.

Other players will choose to play as one of the indigenous prehistoric creatures of The Isle purging The Isle of mammalian encroachment with bestial strength and tenacity.

Players can form groups, explore The Isle, establish bases, create packs, discover data logs left by Project Lazarus and compete for the DNA left behind by those responsible for creating The Isle.

The Isle features a non-linear narrative told strictly through the environment. Hidden locations and ancient artifacts will be dynamically created on The Isle revealing the how and why of The Isle. Players will need to work together to uncover all of the secrets of The Isle. Discovering these locations and artifacts will unlock several key plot devices which will further the communal narrative forward.

Development of The Isle has been ongoing for over a year and we're in the final stretch before having it at a state ready for public play. The Isle is still in an early (Alpha) stage of development but we are happy with the course it is on
^ from the Lutris website

some wording is different from the official website photo though

i believe to summarise it a bit more

[meager junco]

artifacts hehe

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[acoustic osprey]

mmmhm

you can definitely tell some aspects of their original description still match with current Legacy and Evrima aspects
which is pretty cool

but some aren't, of course.

[meager junco]

Basically old AE meant “Helping the world” if you think about it

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, i'd beg it was more so "Helping their world"

[meager junco]

Good point

[acoustic osprey]

A bit more akin to InGen in the books, honestly

Seems like it's a bit more augmented in Evrima

but I'd say still similar to "Helping their world"

Evrima's just seems a bit more feasibly responsible, for AE.
Legacy felt a bit more loose and bit more unrealistic sci-fi

[meager junco]

Yeh very much, I’m always curious if basically the big questions have always had the same answers to them throughout the years, some things have changed for sure but I’m curious if some things just haven’t changed at all, like strain was an answer we never knew about in legacy iirc

[acoustic osprey]

sounds a bit bootlickey and misinformed from me, I have been promoting Evrima lore a lot longer than Legacy now
but generally a lot of aspects of Legacy felt like this

[acoustic osprey]

I have been, due to the EIPs aspect, been thinking about this a lot. I think a lot of us have definitely now. Especially Rump
but

[meager junco]

It is true tho, legacy had this weird air to it, something that didn’t feel 100% real but it wasn’t a bad thing

[acoustic osprey]

I do ponder about such.
What's more different in comparison to the two versions (that being late 2017-early 2019 lore to Evrima post 2020)? - The subtext or foreground?

it definitely seems
at least from now, the foreground seems a lot more changed then the subtext.
where, as you said, things upfront may look different- even in the midground of the picture- but underlying aspects SEEM to be more akin to what we had with Legacy

Rather than what we'd likely say, last year, to where both were a lot more juxtaposing

this ignores the general "there are dinos, humans, monster human things and big company running it all" aspects of course

Albeit, I do wonder if that still applies to EIPs?

but I do wonder.
If Don had a proper defined meaning for dinos or not in legacy

[meager junco]

Well if we don’t get specifics on what that injection means on dibble, than we’ll be guessing that for a while

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair, we lacked a lot of that "subtext"
so the comparison isn't really fair

[meager junco]

But my bet is on Profile injection

[acoustic osprey]

you hope too much

I just hope it isn't as killing as H4's location

[meager junco]

WE MIGHT SEE INJECTING PROFILE!

[acoustic osprey]

unnecessarily painful LOL

[meager junco]

Good lord no…

[acoustic osprey]

injecting. Injecting.
Injecting....

######## [REDACTED]
[GET RKTED LORERS]
\loading
\loading
-Stage 5 Clearance required-

[meager junco]

NOOOOO

DAMN YOU HIGH CLEARANCE NEEDS

[acoustic osprey]

just give some rando all the meaning for lore answers

https://tenor.com/view/the-lego-movie-lego-movie-your-special-your-amazing-i-love-you-gif-18686033

someone can have their own Emmet moment

so we can realise
the real isle lore?

was the friends we made along the way

[meager junco]

I need info lore not fren lore

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lego-movie-lord-business-what-a-bunch-of-hippie-dippie-baloney-bunch-of-baloney-president-business-gif-22326385

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/what-a-load-of-malarkey-recondo-bill-morey-gi-joe-a-real-american-hero-the-synthoid-conspiracy-gif-17522968

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184681758231363636/1206819786647150652/Views_on_lore.png?ex=65f91502&is=65e6a002&hm=42101e8799fd4e2780135e08705de906b90a634c6d224f7c3b57f5ea9f444c48&

This is so sad, Alexa, play “whatever it takes” by Imagine Dragons

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-john-hammond-yahoo-jurassic-park-yahoo-john-hammond-yahoo-gif-21207753

[muted hill]

Hello lore crew, question, do we know if any outside factions have or is it even possible for them to reach the AE research islands? My thoughts were criminal organisations/cartels reaching these islands and smuggling AE creations of them for big money.

I assume we dont know as what we know currently is rather vague just thought I'd ask ty in advance

[lethal moat]

We know the public doesn’t know about dinosaurs, and AE is responsible for the “humans” that we’ll be playing on the island, but sabotage is something that exists,I would guess that theory probably wouldn’t happen, but it’s not a 100%

It’s possible, I just don’t think so

[muted hill]

oh neat so at the very least dinosaurs were made in secret

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[muted hill]

I was a WOW lore guy in my days playing so im slowly learning all this to do the same here

[lethal moat]

You want the lore we know so far?

[muted hill]

Ive seen the documents

[lethal moat]

You want to join the lore server?

[muted hill]

I just I have to refresh every so often

Good for now ty im not active enough ill let you know im future though

[lethal moat]

That’s fair

[acoustic osprey]

this idea fits a lot more with the older lore descriptions for Humans
but as per Rump's own reply, basically pretty much non-existent at the moment

BUT
in terms of general "external" companies though? Such may exist

it depends
Do we have our own BioSyn of sorts? - to be fair, AE was more akin to BioSyn due to Operation Inferno in Legacy lore

[muted hill]

Biosyn was responsble for illegal cloning in the JP universe right? I was wondering if we had something similar like infiltrators that did illegal species/specimen cloning

[acoustic osprey]

they were far better described in the books, sorry I should've referred to BioSyn in the novels- especially with The Lost World

[muted hill]

Ive only read part of the first novel

[acoustic osprey]

like, damn, they're given a lot more characterisation- especially with Dodgson
they were a lot more diverse but still the same pretty espionage-heavy company. Basically super stingy

where Dodgson would do some pretty ETHICALLY challenging things

apparently he tested a bunch of illiterate mexicans to take test vaccines

but, BioSyn was a very "reverse-engineering others work to find success"-type company

AE weren't truly fully akin to that in Legacy lore
but we know they stole assets and used Phoenix Internationals' information for their own use

(Magna Rex being Isle's exact clone of PC's/PCE's "Big Daddy"- the rex)

[muted hill]

My basically knowledge of AE is back things happened so they had to do things to help nullify those effects or prevent worse from happening. Somehow from agriculture to medicine to cloning and im sure much more

[muted hill]

I remember the old PC stuff it was neat

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, it was definitely pretty cool.
but i don't mind the redo in that aspect

[muted hill]

Yeah unique stuff is cool to its nice to be seperate from another story

[acoustic osprey]

My basically knowledge of AE is back things happened so they had to do things to help nullify those effects or prevent worse from happening
kinda

there seem to be external aspects that make Apollo / Apollo Engineering valuable and used internationally (not just for one country)
to the extent of what field? Who knows

They (Apollo) started in or, at least, Apollo Engineering (?) with botany
Then they branched to other subsidiaries- one such being about medicine/pharmaceuticals
And then they made Apollo Engineering (or at least, AE's identity as a subsidiary/aspect grew ||or possibly rebrand into AE?||) for food production -> They made a lot of money from such, but apparently they were, through an outside force of compulsion, they were moved to the direction of dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah, I definitely don't mind if they created more unique aspects

which, though, seems to be the case a lot more now

albeit, nothing as large as Phoenix though

[muted hill]

that is... alot

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-27224532

[muted hill]

Im just curious as to how you from food production to dinosaur cloning and by extention human cloning

[acoustic osprey]

less so cloning though, synthesised would be the better term

being not true dinos
literally just creating them

[muted hill]

Do we know if they create them from scratch without DNA prior or do they get DNA and build up as some of our dinosaur atleast IMO seem use DNA from other creatures

Herrera for example looks like it has lizard DNA maybe iguanas or something similar

[hybrid wagon]

can someone explain these?
John Cake
AE_Core
717 - 10 17 / 717 - 717
Replicator Observation
Unknown boxes + machines within Perimeter
THE END IS NEVER
1994-99
Apollo (AE) Core / Core Data
Hyper-Gun
Doctor Vega
The Real H4
Triangles
Affinity System / Complex
ELECTROMAGNETIC FLUCTUATION DETECTED IN SECTOR 4
Sector H4
12/7, 12/8, 12/9 2172
JC346_Admin
Radio Frequency Fields + EXCEED THE "FCC" RULES
Atrium C
Site-12 / AE-012
Phase One: Allfather + Phase Two: Thronebreaker + Phase Three: Alphonse + Phase Four: Replicate
Specimens B443 + B442
AE-IPT / AE-IPS / AE-AES / AE-BLS
O / Type-O / Variant-O
Deimos Project
GOLEM-Ceti
GOLEM derivative
Primordial
Lawrence Carter
Dr. Whyse
Dr. Drive
Dr. Chance
Jackson
Khorne (Damien)
NHS / AE-012.NHS Batch 12
Wheos
B
Voice Modulation
Semplex

its a lot but I got them off this poll and they sound interesting

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/general-krell-stand-down-star-wars-clone-wars-umbara-arc-arc5555stand-down-arc5555-gif-22048618

[hybrid wagon]

im afraid.

[meager junco]

How did they get their hands on the Rex peek emoji

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Its lore

[hexed forge]

The peekaboo emoji didnt originate in lorecord iirc

[patent ginkgo]

why is one of em just "B" lol

[hexed forge]

Boar!

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-blasphemy-satan-south-park-s4e11-probably-gif-21638722

[lethal moat]

You should be

[hexed forge]

OH GOD RUMPLE NO, THE PFP CHANGE

[meager junco]

Ayo new pfp who dis

[hexed forge]

Oh wait, nvm.. bro my dumba brain thought its something else

I thought it was a blushing Uwu owl.....

[meager junco]

Isaac if you’re actually writing down each topic💀

[hexed forge]

He def is, a short summary for each

Isaac you got 5 more minutes to finish writing!!

[meager junco]

I’m sure there’s a couple things he’s rechecking, like old AE staff names and what exactly they did

[hexed forge]

5 minutes over!!! Im disappointed

[meager junco]

My goodness the man’s fingers must hurt

[acoustic osprey]

the John Cake point, technically, should be linked in with JC346_ADMIN
but in-lore? John Cake is a pseodu-lore-existing character within the isle. We ONLY think he exists, truly, due to the person admin username showed in the roadmap video.
We've taken this aspect into account that the roadmap MAY not be lore-accurate. But, still, with it using the same system as the Augustus video. There leaves some room for interpretation that, at least, the admin, itself, might be lore accurate. Or at least the date range shown.

AE_Core and the Apollo Core / Core Data (Datacore) seem the same but they're just two different aspects. One side being Evrima and the other being Legacy. Technically I should've put them together, but oh well
Technically, "Data Core (Datacore)" is a late Legacy -> Recode lore reference shown in the Hope. trailer
In reference to Phoenix Datacore being turned online
But Apollo Core was a heavily referred to aspect within Legacy for anything related to Apollo Engineering
AE_Core or AE_CORE_DATA etc etc is an Evrima term only showcased in smaller aspects like the older Pachy Observation video and some of the trailcam videos- like the cerato one.
(noticing a lot of UI change and aspects there. So this aspect is also weird. Not all trail cams used the same stuff, etc etc. A time in Evrima where things were a lot less certain)

717 - 10 17 / 717 - 717 is a reference to the Hyper Gates and their "area codes" (?) or sector numbers
we have little to no idea what they actually mean, as they don't, yet, line up properly. We'll have to wait for more Hyper Fences

Replicator Observation was a reference given by Dondi

Unknown Boxes + Machines within Perimeter is just the unexplained weird machines in the main building of Perimeter

THE END IS NEVER
Is a legacy term given at the bottom of the steam page
it's also shown in binary in a legacy loading screen

1994-99 is the date range said above from the roadmap video

Hyper-Gun is a mythical gun that we don't know will ever exist.
It'll be, as per the name, kill hypers. Hopefully it's less "big bullet" and more so lethal toxin

Doctor Vega is an old lore character in The Isle Legacy
He was named after Rodrigo Vega, an artist for isle

The real H4 refers to the REAL location of Augustus' "home" / H4 shown in the Augustus video.
Many many hours were taken to finally decipher the location. As many, including myself, have been baffled.
I even gave the wrong location to Islemaps.com so now it says "H4" in the top middle base
the actual location, using my own new grid system, is likely west of the base "H6" that is next to the rocks.
fits the environment.

Triangles should've been removed. They're just water breakers
but there was a long discource about WHAT they were. We still don't know how they ended up where they were.
But they likely seem relatively old- seeing as some exist on a bridge section that no longer exists

Affinity System / Complex

The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. we could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted.
it was supposed to be a lore tie-in with the Affinity System in Legacy
revolving around "why" dinosaurs act in certain ways- affinity was supposed to be a better BoB (forgot the term) comfortable system?

ELECTROMAGNETIC FLUCTUATION DETECTED IN SECTOR 4
is a reference to both Legacy and Evrima UI - HOWEVER, Evrima, for 1.0 launch, might see a complete redo in all of it's loading screens.
But this showcases a series of flashing text that alert the user of several issues and things- Site AE-12 verified
akin to the Augustus video. There is a user who is getting these prompts, one by one, and hones in down on finding information about "Sector H4" and "Indent - AE-012. TRX 8443"

Sector H4 is an older Legacy lore term. You can see it's likely that H4 in Evrima is a reference to Sector H4 in Legacy
But Sector H4 is referred to above. That's it.

12/7, 12/8, 12/9 2172 is a fun little painful time of Evrima's life from a few years ago when we got the ERRANT-291 incident report. We had deciphered the dates. We got the days and month, 12th month from the 7th day to 9th
but the year... 2172. However, this year was likely false. Being that there more letters there, we could decipher them though. It's likely the days are real though, as 12/7 is on the "Abstract map"

Radio Frequence Fields ...
this is in reference to the red alarm system shown on the gates of all Gateway outposts
(I have lost this 5 times due to how big it was, whilst changing channels. Forgive me.
We don't really know if this is canon or not, or just some goofy text before 1.0 happens. As we know some of that actually exists.
but, it could exist- especially since Neuros are able to utilise electromagnetic radiation- which means radio waves are includes

Atrium C is the location of which Hyperendocrins were made
However, due to how volatile Hypers were, only H-Rex, Utah, Giga and Spino were made- H-Quetz was taken down

Site-12 / AE-012 is referred to in >ELECTROMAGNETIC FLUCTUATION DETECTED IN SECTOR 4

Specimens B443 + B442 are the rex specimens owned by Phoenix International
They were killed and/or destroyed via Apollo Engineering in Operation Inferno
And they, AE, used their DNA to recreate such for themselves- creating the Magna Rex

AE-IPT / AE-IPS / AE-AES / AE-BLS AE's legacy report system

O / Type-O / Variant-O was early Evrima's redo of Magna's
They were deconfirmed a few months back now
Only O was O-Quetz

Deimos Project + GOLEM-Ceti + GOLEM derivative all fit in the same basket due to being all about Gen1s
Deimos Project is the project for them.
GOLEM derivative is the international term used to refer to things that are monstrous
GOLEM-Ceti / GOLEM-Ceti trials = GOLEM means, as a word, a hebrew mytholigical creature that is made by mud/clay and Ceti is a Greek Mythological sea monster
meaning the phrase literally means "Created monster trials"

Primordial...

I won't talk about the characters besides Damien (Khorne) and Dr. Chance (Galli Ruler)
Damien was one of the users, in lore, to use the User Inquiries
One of the only known islecord lore lovers to be put into OLD legacy lore.
Dr Drive Chance is the second, their actual name being Galli Ruler in discord, is quite the same
but also was the person who made the first Quetz through Project Alphonse

NHS / AE-012.NHS Batch 12 is the only thing close to an official name for the Eyeless creatures as we can get, in legacy.

Wheos
one of The Isle’s only disconnected from Apollo Engineering companies that may exist in Evrima’s lore
The model, itself, appears in all (at least, pretty much all) current ranger station/resupply points around Gateway- such as K15, I12, etc etc.
From the outside, it appears to be some sort of silo- presumably for grain, cement, coal? Who knows.
However, it is worth noting some of these would make sense to some degree- especially with grain and cement.
In English, the word is not a compound word. Sadly. It’s not even an English word.
But, it does come up within Greek. Quite interesting, as The Isle’s lore loves it’s Greek inspirations.
The word contains a diphthong, meaning that there is “a combination of two vowels that make one sound”
In this case the diphthong is "υι", pronounced like "hwe",
which makes the word υἱὸς. If you’re Greek, you might be able to understand what I’ve said- unless my pronunciation sucked.
But it means, for those English-speakers, “son” - Where the the Latinisation of the word makes "Wheos".
Quite interestingly enough, Apollo is the son of the Greek All-Father (Zeus).

B
The word itself is a bit clickbaity in of itself. The topic of “B”, to some, is something often fused with B449, but it’s surprisingly something actually canon in Evrima, technically, and very very different.

The proper iceberg point should be called “B and SOS”.
The letters/phrases were given through Morse code in one of The Isle’s newest OST “Track 11 - Reclaimed”, playing, through Evrima’s dynamic music system, at only human buildings ever since late Update 4

Voice Modulation is a term given as an AE lingo by Dondi
no explanation given

Semplex is the name of the fire alarm company on Gateway
Similar to Wheos
no idea what Semplex could mean as a word

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1198113650024656937/vJuLlbrg.gif

[hexed forge]

Holy wall

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-yoink-marvel-mcu-spider-man-homecoming-gif-19232537

[hybrid wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/white-dog-shaking-scared-nervous-dog-scared-and-shaking-gif-22874221

[lethal moat]

Lightclaw sent you all the stuff, here's what's currently relevent: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit?pli=1

[hybrid wagon]

appreciate it ill feast my eyes

[lethal moat]

We also have a lore server if you're interested

[hybrid wagon]

I am interested

[lethal moat]

I'll DM you the invite

[hybrid wagon]

👌

[hybrid wagon]

I was dragged into the server against my will help

[lethal moat]

[hybrid wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drag-come-here-comehere-gif-21771860

[short canopy]

can i by chance get that to?

[lethal moat]

[lethal moat]

User Inquiry: The Matriarch
Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an
EIP.
I have developed a completely adaptable organism within Tartarus.
Once another profile is complete, the Matriarch will
redistribute within the observable areas of Tartarus for study.
It is not correct to call it a dinosaur, but I have not given it a name.

EIP moment

[patent ginkgo]

Bro just finished his first day at AE

[patent ginkgo]

AUGUSTUS

[hexed forge]

@patent ginkgo

[patent ginkgo]

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/status-report-status-update-kowalski-status-report-kowalski-status-gif-23668188

Analysis on the new plant?

[patent ginkgo]

Ah, haven’t looked that much into it cause it was also I’m on dons stream and there’s like a bunch of new plants along with it, but that palm looks like a wild parlor palm.

More interesting to note, it appears as though the eucalyptus trees at northeast have been replaced by a new tree, which I am not quite sure what it is due to not having a good look

But from Don’s stream, I’m extremely excited to say that there is not one, but at least two types of fern, one in of which is a tree fern

These are the things that I have

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[patent ginkgo]

Oh and there’s anthurium

And orchids

[hexed forge]

New diet plant? Potentially for dibble?

[patent ginkgo]

Nah, looks like a generic foliage

[hexed forge]

Alright, still nice tho.

[patent ginkgo]

Some are on trees

Oh and I thiiiiink I can make out a baby eucalyptus tree in the jungle??? Maybe

Anywho, this is quite the diverse ecosystem

[hexed forge]

Sad that the botany doesnt mean anything to the lore, yet.

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah… and the map foliage won’t ever mean much…

[hexed forge]

The plants certainly arent native to the island, do you think they were planted by AE?

Orrrr just random additions because yk.. cool!

[patent ginkgo]

See above comment

#isle-lore-theories message this is where I get it from

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[patent ginkgo]

So true

It’s why I stopped work on my botanicus compendii

[hexed forge]

Sadness

[fast forge]

Oh that was yours? I liked it! Maybe not particularly useful for lore but certainly fun for those of us that like plants

[patent ginkgo]

Yep, thanks

I was working on it until Don shattered my dreams (informed us on the scope of lore ingame)

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[patent ginkgo]

The plants will always mean something in my heart…

[fast forge]

I didn't even realize the swamp trees were just Bald Cypress until I read the compendium botanicum, and I have one of those in my back yard

[patent ginkgo]

Oh cool

I love bald cypresses, it’s too bad that they’re foliage ingame doesn’t live up to their true beauty

[fast forge]

Mine is actually a little bonsai that I've kinda let go wild. When I lived with my parents my mom would forget each autumn and let me know that my little tree was dying

[patent ginkgo]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

Wow thanks

[lethal moat]

We did an EIP podcast

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-zeus-kratos-zeus-gif-27202380

[lethal moat]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5tvgq6vQr0w1puZPJAMwgL?si=xRY_O02eTgiGTFideQmXmQ

[fast forge]

Kind of an aside, and you probably already know this, but I always figured "THE END IS NEVER" was an oblique reference to The Stanley Parable. It can be found as part of a repeating banner on loading screens in that game, reading as "THE END IS NEVER THE END IS NEVER THE END IS NEVER..."

[acoustic osprey]

I completely forgot about this, despite LOVING Stanley Parable

i believe it might be still on purpose in-lore
but also a reference to the game

especially since Stanley Parable came, only, a year before Isle started

[icy onyx]

aint no way yall even have a lore podcast😂

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[ionic sable]

I was actually debating for a bit if THE END IS NEVER was a reference from something else, and both The Stanley Parable and The Isle used the same reference.

Just kinda ignored the possibility of Isle grabbing it from The Stanley Parable.

[knotty locust]

mods caught that quick

[patent ginkgo]

Yup

[versed stream]

what is the shortest possible way to retell the entire the isle story

pls

i have no idea whats going on

[lethal moat]

Neither do we! Start by reading this, ask any questions here, and we have a lore server if you’re interested: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[versed stream]

thank uuu

[lethal moat]

Short answer is that the story isn’t finished yet, so we don’t know what it is because we haven’t seen it, but that’s all the stuff we’ve found so far

[meager junco]

Bigson wise words : Big lizard thingy give me dopamine

[lethal moat]

@woeful oasis you have been quoted

[woeful oasis]

facts

[lethal moat]

Wonder if AE within Apollo is comparable to Skunkworks within Lockheed Martin

[hallow rover]

Just read that document. So much lore… so many questions….

[lethal moat]

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/once-you-start-no-going-back-daddy-talk-gif-12390474

[lethal moat]

There’s so much, and yet we know little

[hallow rover]

I’m now trapped here until we all figure out what’s going on…

[fast forge]

uhhhh

dinosaurs

that's my guess

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

They aren't technically dinosaurs

[fast forge]

yeah well

technically you're a fish

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-ward-gif-25717780

[leaden quarry]

if they're not dinosaurs what should we call them

[fast forge]

"playables" is easiest for me

[lethal moat]

Technically speaking, they aren't dinosaurs, but they're designed to be like dinosaurs, so dinosaurs is the best, even if it isn't 100% accurate

[meager junco]

You can still call them Dino’s, it’s just they technically aren’t-

Yeh what rump said

[leaden quarry]

oh ik I was just wondering what names chat would come up with

[meager junco]

Replication of dinosaurs but that’s a bit much

[fast forge]

It's kind of a ship of theseus argument tbh

[lethal moat]

They were never "real dinosaurs" as far as we know, so I'd argue it's just an authentic replica

[meager junco]

THEY LOOK, THEY FEEL, AND HELL THEY SOUND LIKE DINOSAURS
But no not dinosaur

[lethal moat]

Don't trust your senses

Or a neuro will show you how it feels to chew 5 gum

[hallow rover]

Funny lizard things that act like dinosaurs 👍🏼

[lethal moat]

Or bird things, hard to tell sometimes

[patent ginkgo]

not birds

birds arent real

[hexed forge]

THE GOVERNMENT IS SPYING ON US! Or in this case.. Apollo

[hybrid wagon]

you think don listens to the podcast?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

He knows about it, but that doesn’t mean he watches it

[acoustic osprey]

no

[hexed forge]

@patent ginkgo Its time

[acoustic osprey]

(it's a lot of nonsense that we talk about. I don't think he has the sanity to listen to it)

[lethal moat]

Especially episode 3, we went well off track with that one lol

[fast forge]

anyone know where these are located?

[hexed forge]

NE

[fast forge]

You think the RS in "RS I 12" stands for "Research Station"?

[acoustic osprey]

Regional Spawnpoint I12

[patent ginkgo]

Really Spectacular

[fast forge]

Is that confirmed, or your guess?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
it's a regional spawnpoint spawn for I12

it couldn't be anything else

[fast forge]

Well yeah

[acoustic osprey]

especially when H4 and K15 aren't referred to as anything else

except for GW_H4
which just means Gateway H4

[fast forge]

lol I'm at H4 for the first time right now

[acoustic osprey]

you are not at H4

[fast forge]

oh that's right I saw you said that one was wrong

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-fives-this-is-wrong-and-we-all-know-it-this-is-wrong-this-isnt-right-gif-22361441

[idle slate]

oops wrong server

[acoustic osprey]

which server

[idle slate]

my friend's server LOL

[acoustic osprey]

are they loreful?

[idle slate]

im updating them rn my bad

they are infact not im sorry

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[idle slate]

i know how loreful YOU are

[acoustic osprey]

i see
thank you

[idle slate]

i stalk this server quite a bit

like a little twitch stream

[patent ginkgo]

the lore-ing is upon us!

[fast forge]

So is there a name for this base up in the northern peninsula?

[acoustic osprey]

all the names are, roughly, given to Vulnona

[lethal moat]

You want an invite to the lore server?

[idle slate]

hell yeah dude ofc i do

i was always curious abt the lore

[idle slate]

ive seen you send this like 5 times before

[lethal moat]

Yeah, Lightclaw is the lore dude

[fast forge]

ahhh I started using islemaps after gateway dropped and haven't been to vulnona in a while

[versed stream]

What is the AE?

[lethal moat]

Apollo Engineering, it’s the company behind pretty much everything on the islands

[acoustic osprey]

I only recommend such just because Islemaps is just to update the location names

[acoustic osprey]

thank you

[versed stream]

Ahaaa I see now thank you!

[idle slate]

🤝

[lethal moat]

You want an invite to the lore server as well?

[versed stream]

Yes please

[lethal moat]

I'll DM you

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-wait-a-minute-confused-christian-bale-huh-gif-16327705

[fast forge]

oh wrong channel

[pure frost]

Can I get one

[lethal moat]

Sure thing

[hallow rover]

Currently listening to your podcast rumple and now you’ve got me invested into the lore

You successfully trapped me in the lore

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-john-hammond-yahoo-jurassic-park-yahoo-john-hammond-yahoo-gif-21207753

[nimble fractal]

Birds aren't real
So are dinosaurs
It's all in your head
Wake up

[cedar geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/okabe_horrified-steinsgate-gif-18523389

[raven anchor]

Wah oh

[raven anchor]

Chris Hemsworth!

Oh wait this isn't isle discussion lmao

[lethal moat]

It’s a group effort

[lethal moat]

Let’s talk about neuro goo, my bet is that it’s a way for neuros to gain control of others or keep them in check, if it’s implemented in game, the only thing I can imagine working well is having neuros be able to talk to every species, and once someone is goo’d, neuro has the power to off switch them, and they now work under duress

[strange shell]

neuro goo ?

[lethal moat]

Lightclaw probably knows the most about it

[strange shell]

Ok but he scares me

[lethal moat]

But from my understanding, touching neuro residue is a very bad idea and I would reccomend a hazmat suit

[strange shell]

Ok I'll remember that next time I go into my cellar full of neuro residue

[lethal moat]

Neuro good is referenced at the same time as H4 in legacy iirc, possibly on one of the leading screens

[fallow harbor]

relateavke

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-robert-baratheon-game-of-thrones-gif-8795647393383794137

[fast forge]

I'd drink

[fast forge]

so neuros could just kill any player that they've infected?

[lethal moat]

That’s my working theory

It’s also very simple and based off of a total of zero known facts

[fast forge]

I do like the idea of forcing dinos to join the "neuro team"

Like if a pack of omnis encountered a big neuro, one of them got infected, they'd be compelled to leave the group by the neuro, but also the teammates wouldn't want them around because they could get infected

Could add some interesting player dynamics

[lethal moat]

That’s what I’m thinking

The issue is, making it not easily abusable

[fast forge]

yeah

the balance of gameplay vs lore fun vs semi-realism

[lethal moat]

You could totally abuse that, but it’s supposed to be oppressive, I think how it’s inflicted would change it most

[fast forge]

Are neuros supposed to be physically weak? I feel like I read that somewhere

[lethal moat]

We don’t really know

[fast forge]

I see

I think it would be fun to repurpose cera vomit for neuros, so they could "infect" food

not only is there a chance that you could get ambushed while you eat that random boar in the forest, but it might have been infected too

Or maybe different neuro species have different methods of infecting? So vomit would be cera's method, others might be attacks via bite or claws

[lethal moat]

That could work

[fast forge]

that could also incentivize the neuro "team" to have a diverse but coordinated roster spread across the isle

[acoustic osprey]

that's assuming the neuro-goo exists anymore

depending on how much or how little Neuros have been redesigned since their last official design

[fast forge]

that's fair

I think a global chat for neuros specifically could be interesting, and if neuro gameplay incentivizes a "neuro mixpack", it would help spread out players making it feel less like a traditional mixpack

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
that'd make sense

[lethal moat]

At very least local chat

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as Echidna has the ability to transmit short-range radio waves

[fast forge]

it could also be an interesting counter to a unified human team, or teams

[lethal moat]

Forced mixpacking is an interesting concept

[fast forge]

I suppose it would work kind of like a zombie hivemind

Would be interesting to get smaller playables just so they can function as scouts, similar to actually mixpacking, but with some gameplay element like infection

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[median shuttle]

Im gonna be honest neuro is my least favourite strain it just seems so extra and out of place...

Like Hyper and Tisso still feel somewhat grounded but Neuro feels like what powers a child on a playground would give it's character in make believe games

also idk how you'd implement that in a game and not have it ruin everything

[acoustic osprey]

How can you say that when we have literally almost nothing on Tissos!!

but to be fair
testing with the ability of radiation doesn't sound far fetched

We already view electromagnetic spectrum
only through specific Hz

but trying to harness this power is quite akin to Hypers
just less on a physical-level

and, more or less, on a more god / meta-level

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-doctor-octopus-the-power-of-the-sun-in-the-palm-of-my-hand-sun-gif-23770857

[knotty jolt]

Neuros are basically gonna be mindflayers if they don't deviate much from the original concept lmao

[strange shell]

Rats aren't invasive on the Island
Cuz of reasons

[lethal moat]

I mean, rats are invasive pretty much everywhere, they can be near human buildings and still be invasive

[strange shell]

But for some reason they don't wander away from them ?

Outcompeted by compies and pteros maybe

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[icy onyx]

rugops food

[lethal moat]

Or it’s just too dangerous for them elsewhere and they can hide best in human structures

[fossil nebula]

With how they would maybe effect humans, they could spread disease and or eat food supplies if not controlled. while they would also prob be a food source for some kind of dino as well potentially

[lethal moat]

They likely were mostly or at least partially controlled when the island was under control of AE

[fossil nebula]

Im saying mainly for a gameplay stand point but that too

[lethal moat]

I’d love the idea of diseases, don’t go near the rabid hypsi

[lunar folio]

How were the hypos created ?

[lethal moat]

We do not know how hypers were made at the moment, but it’s added onto dinosaurs rather than making it’s own creature, unlike the matriarch

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-science-gif-21214206

[lethal moat]

LOL YEAH

[lunar folio]

I know that hypos arent their own thing but rather that certain species in a Evolved Form , i am Just curious how they Evolved or were genetically modified

[acoustic osprey]

that's an excellent question

[lethal moat]

They’re technically all genetically modified, but I’m guessing that the strain would be added on

I am interested to know if you’ll have to grow a hyper or if it’ll be something you get once you’re full grown

[lunar folio]

How would they have captivated a Adult Spoon , is my question, and wouldnt that Just be Suicide since you know , that Things stats Just got boosted by 900

[acoustic osprey]

I do wonder how much "in-lore in-game" we'll get with aspects like Hypers

[lethal moat]

Tranquilizer darts

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

I don't imagine your hyper will grow from baby to big
we know they, from Dondi, can only surivive for a few days in-lore

[acoustic osprey]

Hyper Gun 💪

[lunar folio]

I think its confirmed that you can only Evolved into hyper at adult

[lethal moat]

I would assume that as well, but it’s an interesting concept

[lunar folio]

What would that substance be Made with

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

like an anti-strain toxin

oh wait no

[lunar folio]

It would need to be atleast 3x stronger than a Elephant dart

[lethal moat]

LOTS of tranquilizer darts

[acoustic osprey]

Jurassic Park The Lost World novel details how they would pretty nicely

[lunar folio]

But in that Case youll have to be carefull to Not kill it

[acoustic osprey]

iirc
it's carfentanil

[lunar folio]

Since that what usually Happens with Water Buffalo

[lethal moat]

Maybe they just grow it in a vat until adult, give it strain, then release it, or it breaks out

[lunar folio]

And would the Darts Just Stop working after the Dino Turns hyper ?

[acoustic osprey]

this is where the idea of a Hyper-Gun takes place

[lunar folio]

I think it will rather Break out

[lunar folio]

Whats that

[acoustic osprey]

think of it as an anti-strain toxin (as an idea)
that works like how a vaccine works

[pale marsh]

Consider, small head canon
The dinos are bio engineeried from scratch? Maybe AE put a sort of kill switch chemical thing in them,

[lethal moat]

Anti-hyper gun

[lethal moat]

That could be a distinct possibility

[pale marsh]

(don't ask me why there isn't such a thing for everything else, shush)

[lunar folio]

Whats AE

[lethal moat]

It could be how Gen 2 “wins”

[lethal moat]

Apollo Engineering, the company behind the whole island

[lunar folio]

Aaaaaaa

Is the Lore between Evrima and Legacy different ?

[lethal moat]

Yes, everything from Legacy is scrapped until it gets reconfirmed

[pale marsh]

Ok actually you have a point, chemical agent dispersement system,
Or
If you've played mass effect 3

Literally just the shroud on tuchunka

[lunar folio]

Why did they give Up on Legacy tho

[lethal moat]

Legal issues and spaghetti code, couldn’t be saved from my understanding

I don’t really focus on that aspect, my knowledge of legacy is more limited than my knowledge of Evrima

[lunar folio]

Do you Guys have an idea If they gave each Dino different water , cuz what is the Acro Drinking to be taking down a Camara alone , when 3 Gigas kinda struggle

[lethal moat]

Concept art is very subjective, and not 100% true, it’s best to wait and see what it’s actually like and not rely on concept art for balancing especially

[pale marsh]

I mean who said the gigas were struggling, maybe they just like to hunt patiently and methodically

Whereas acro likes to slam the button

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[hexed forge]

Are you interested in the new lore? Because legacy lore is scrapped basically. BUT, some lore from legacy does come back to evrima.

[lunar folio]

I am interested in Lore , yes

[hexed forge]

Would you like to join a server that explores isle lore, or would you rather just have me hand you a document so you can read it. (The servers has multiple documents)

[pale marsh]

It's kind of a, everything and nothing from legacy is still canon until stated otherwise tbh

[lunar folio]

DM me the Server , i got hacked once aint trying it twice

[lethal moat]

EIPs are back and it gives me happy brain chemicals

[lunar folio]

Dopamine ?

[lethal moat]

And seratonin

[hexed forge]

Check your DMs for a white van. (The link) lol

[pale marsh]

I have mixed feelings on EIPs

[hexed forge]

I had the same thought, but after exploring around with the idea, it actually makes sense.

[lethal moat]

I had mixed feelings until I figured out how much it could make sense or connect

[pale marsh]

Hmmm

[hexed forge]

Make sure to click the checkmark in rules

[lethal moat]

I wouldn’t mind EIPs not being human brains, but apparently there’s a way to complete EIPs, and I think that’s why dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

Could ERRANT 291 be a competed EIP?
I’m just saying words without any connection to what they mean lol

[meager junco]

Alright so let’s say, they find errant, it’s basically a husk, just a Gen 2 with no EIP inserted, but he’s still branded, Gen 2-291 but goes under the name errant for the case reason, they find no biotrace which is a sign of EIP, they find it strange it’s up and about and doing stuff on its own, and that it can talk without an EIP being inserted(which could be neuro/echidnas doing)

[acoustic osprey]

Completed or unfinished? Both could work

a broken conscious would make someone GO insane

[lethal moat]

Dunno, just a random thought I threw in here

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, EIPs are all about the mind. To some extent

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

ERRANT-291 went crazy and died (somehow)
Whether that be intentional or accidently

I could definitely see ERRANT-291 being linked / part of an EIP
but it just depends. Do workers also serve as EIPs?

or are workers more willingly to be RnD for Apollo? Or are bio-traces some sort of mini-EIP?
who knows

[fast forge]

I imagine that the term bio-trace refers to any traceable biomatter - so most people know that you can treat dna like blueprints, but stuff like proteins can also work similarly

[patent ginkgo]

That’s what I thought initially, but how would it be “active” and how would 291 not have one

It seems like an item

[acoustic osprey]

and no repercussions
despite this?

https://gyazo.com/51a79c4c3e6c172dea68f86500867678

[lethal moat]

Maybe the replicator did its whole “artificial evolution” thing on it?

[patent ginkgo]

291 seems just really odd

[patent ginkgo]

I can’t see the replicator directly influencing anything after it’s already been made

[lethal moat]

Fair

But we don’t know if ERRANT was involved before he was found

[lethal moat]

He is the outlier

[patent ginkgo]

Yep

[fast forge]

back before I knew much Isle lore, I just assumed 291 was a spy or intruder and thus not in their database, and thus having no biotrace

[patent ginkgo]

I thought that as well, but the name “ERRANT” just doesn’t seem right for that imo

[meager junco]

I was kinda thinking what if the replicator started freeing some souls, aka reversing an EIP

[fast forge]

Could make sense if 291 is a spy from an outside organization who maybe got a copy of a keycard, a fake backstory, but maybe their organization doesn't know anything about the replicator or biotraces or whatnot

[patent ginkgo]

Doesn’t have to be the replicator

[meager junco]

True I’m just using what we have

Everything else is unknown

[fast forge]

And this outside source would assume AE personnel organization works like any other similar company, not knowing how AE really works with EIPs and such

[patent ginkgo]

Personally I think there’s something going on with the outside world, eg: a government or other company

[acoustic osprey]

and such, just being an ERRANT to AE

[fast forge]

^^^

[acoustic osprey]

and not some sort of spy

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

think Dennis Nedry
he died in the process of JP going crap. So, despite them knowing he did it, they don't know why

[meager junco]

That’s why I was saying this earlier

[acoustic osprey]

Dennis would actually be InGen's "ERRANT-291"

[fast forge]

I feel like EIP could be the programming or soul, while biotrace is the blueprint or body

[meager junco]

It’s also weird they didn’t find anything important on him, meaning he either did what he had to do and got caught leaving or, he might’ve gotten something for someone

[acoustic osprey]

i don't presume the name acronym is any different
so definitely (being a profile) an aspect of the mind

[fast forge]

And with 291 they don't know who is in that head, and the biotrace isn't in their database

[fast forge]

See I just figured he got caught trying to get in

[acoustic osprey]

poses no "active" biotrace though

[fast forge]

yeah that language does muddle it a bit

That then suggests it's a biotrace that they have, but is not currently in use

[acoustic osprey]

maybe being "off-shift" your biotrace turns off?

[meager junco]

Or something turns it off

[fast forge]

Or maybe they have way more possible bodies than souls (so to speak), so not all bodies are in use at a time

[acoustic osprey]

technically wouldn't be tampering if something like a Neuro turned it off 😊 ☝️

[lethal moat]

I was thinking the same thing

[acoustic osprey]

as it caused no damage. Hence not tampering!

[meager junco]

That’s what I’m thinking especially with the sudden death

[acoustic osprey]

woops
a bit too much radio waves there. Soz!
-dies

[meager junco]

Or was it intentional whatever was in control got what they needed

[fast forge]

The fact that 291 was found with no "previously unmapped access" suggests it was created in the area where they found it (or they simply didn't find how it got in/out)

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[meager junco]

Yeh it’s why I think possibly it’s a Gen 2 who somehow got their EIP turned off or removed, and something else has taken hold

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say that second section is more so about being underground caves
knowing he moved around and died in GUTS

[meager junco]

Also it makes me think, if the EIP wasn’t turned on, does the NEIP come on?

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as GUTS was Don's way of putting caves and tunnels into one

[acoustic osprey]

is ERRANT-291 a NEIP? 😊

[meager junco]

Hmmmm

[acoustic osprey]

basically this point

[fast forge]

291 is able to answer questions, so there's something there, even if it's an NEIP or control by something else

[meager junco]

I think they find it weird it talks because it might not have an EIP, like a robot that isn’t supposed to be activated

[fast forge]

It is only name and designation, but the ability to form words says something about 291's intelligence

Also like... was it naked? They state the only personal items were a badge and some stationary

[lethal moat]

I’ve brought that up a couple times

I think it was freshly created from the replicator, fresh out the oven

[fast forge]

and given a keycard?

[lethal moat]

Could have found it

[acoustic osprey]

note the lack of masculine or feminine pronouns for ERRANT-291

[meager junco]

That’s true

[fast forge]

well that's just kinda classic SCP style writing

[meager junco]

Gen 2 is asexual

[acoustic osprey]

now note the lack of masculine or feminine aspects of Gen1s

[meager junco]

Same with Gen 1

[lethal moat]

Is it tho

[acoustic osprey]

physically none though
but still has men and women bodies

[meager junco]

Concept of them is asexual, no one is stronger/smarter than the other

[fast forge]

You read any SCP article about humanoid containment, they don't gender the SCP until you get to dialogue or comparisons in a description

[acoustic osprey]

well I guess not really asexual
Likely just eunuchs to a sense?

[fast forge]

I think Gen 1 lacking secondary sexual characteristics could just be a reptilian thing, I feel like anyone put into a Gen 2 would want to keep their junk

[meager junco]

Enlighten me on the word

[acoustic osprey]

Well. No.
We know that both Gen2s males and females have their parts modelled. So I guess they're likely still be normal on the sexual aspect?

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 might be able to reproduce, even if we don’t see that in game, though we’re getting into touchy territory talking about it

[acoustic osprey]

sexual organ go bye bye

[meager junco]

Ohhhh

[fast forge]

I feel like Gen 2 was supposed to be a "designer human" body that you can sell to rich people for their second life. Human culture being what it is, you'd want to keep "the fun bits"

[acoustic osprey]

Might be.
We'll have to wait though and see

[acoustic osprey]

god bod

[pale marsh]

Be sure to spay/nueter to prevent health issues

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-heart-kratos-heart-god-of-war-god-of-war-ragnarok-gif-27089804

[lethal moat]

Probably

[acoustic osprey]

terrible for survival? But for the looks, heck yeah

[fast forge]

that's just called eugenics when you apply it to humans

[pale marsh]

Yes

[meager junco]

Which is why I don’t think the original plan for Gen 2 was being survivors to go in a jungle, but more a vision someone wanted to be

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 eugenics is interesting since they are “perfect”

[acoustic osprey]

aka. Habsburgs 😊

[acoustic osprey]

at least, we define them as such.

they are, though, the project that didn't fail

[fast forge]

Or market them as such. In truth you can't actually make a "perfect" human because evolution doesn't have any end goal

[acoustic osprey]

so in a sense, they are perfect.
But they likely, could, have other versions for more perfection

[meager junco]

Isn’t that the….

[lethal moat]

Unless there’s still another step

[fast forge]

But I could easily see a company using "perfection" in a marketing campaign

[acoustic osprey]

perfection

[meager junco]

Family that liked each other

YEH THAT LOL

[acoustic osprey]

depends
We know Gen2s are AE playing god with mankind but it works out

[fast forge]

On that note, is there any info on the state of the outside world?

[lethal moat]

Being AE’s “cleanup crew” after they’ve succeeded in their mission could work

[meager junco]

Very little

[lethal moat]

Nothing substantial

[fast forge]

kinda figured

[meager junco]

The most we know is the world was also suffering and might still be suffering from a global condition

[fast forge]

So like real life, gotcha

[meager junco]

Basically, they tried to reverse it but I forget if they were successful

[lethal moat]

Yep, but AE was doing things to slow down/prevent it using oceanic megaflora

[lethal moat]

We don’t really know

[meager junco]

Yeh I didn’t think we were told if it failed or not

[fast forge]

Oceanic megaflora? I never saw that anywhere

[meager junco]

It was in a stream by don

[lethal moat]

Dondi said it on stream, it’s when we very first learned of giant crab

[fast forge]

oh so recently?

[meager junco]

Umm in December

[lethal moat]

A few months ago

[patent ginkgo]

The oceanic megaflora won’t be in game though, unless it’s just kelp

[meager junco]

I still like the hyper plant theory

[fast forge]

The concept of engineered megaflora could really help with stuff like global warming

[patent ginkgo]

Development of hypers starting with plants is a very likely theory

[meager junco]

Wonder if they ever tested it on a rat or something

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1213097035071365130/RATS.gif

[meager junco]

NEED HYPER RAT

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-master-splinter-we-have-no-time-for-this-scientific-debate-scientific-debate-debate-gif-23476311

Master splinter

[meager junco]

Fr

Let’s get 4 turtles

[fast forge]

Subadult Hyper Sea Turtles

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-beg-please-gif-10010175

[fast forge]

What if giant crabs are just hyper crabs

[lethal moat]

I think that depends on how sustainable the crabs are, since we know they are loose on the island, but we don’t know how common they are, nor how long they’ve been there or how much they eat

[fast forge]

I kinda hope they are giant coconut crabs, mostly just because I like coconut crabs

but there are apparently already 2 crab models, so a third might be asking a bit much

[lethal moat]

I want blue crab

[fast forge]

tbh they might just replace boars on beaches, currently boars can spawn on some beaches and it's a little odd

[lethal moat]

Imagine seeing a boar run out on the beach and get snatched

[fast forge]

I've seen boar spawn on the little sandbars outside the dam at river delta, and it was kinda silly

[fast forge]

just gets pulled under the sand

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-dog-gif-20569611

[fast forge]

Like a crab version of an antlion

[lethal moat]

Floor is lava (crab themed)

[pale marsh]

Hyper Japanese spider crabs

https://tenor.com/view/spider-crab-spidercrab-gif-3536382

[lethal moat]

Crab tunnel digs into GUTS and you have to deal with it within a certain area down there as well

[pale marsh]

Giant hermit crabs with animal skull homes

[lethal moat]

I’ve seen stuff similar to that

[fast forge]

So the Daimyo Hermitaur from Monster Hunter

[pale marsh]

Yesh

Ah, perfect a monoblos skull helps sell the idea with styraco

[lethal moat]

The pokey disk

[acoustic osprey]

does this mean we'll get our own Heracles?

https://www.theoi.com/image/M30.1Karkinos.jpg

(the giant crab ||Karkinos|| bit him on the leg, so he killed it)

but it was favoured by Hera, not surprised. Knowing the relationship between Heracles and Hera, lol

[patent ginkgo]

Hera?
Herrera?

[acoustic osprey]

woah!

[lethal moat]

Hermermer

[fast forge]

Hererracles

[lethal moat]

Colossus can be Heracles if the colossus isn’t the colossus

[strange shell]

Karkinos means crab in greek
So it was a giant crab named crab

[lethal moat]

Chad lake in the country of Chad type situation?

[acoustic osprey]

Literally yes

[maiden sundial]

More the country of Chad being at Chad lake

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it might be a bit akin to such
Alongside Hindi being called "hindi" due to the river Indus

[acoustic osprey]

Funnily enough though
He was squashed by Heracles in one account

[strange shell]

It's Heracles we're talking about
The guy who choked 2 adult snakes to death when he was 3 months old

Magic snakes even

[lethal moat]

Pfft, light work, no reaction

[strange shell]

Wait wait
He also cleaned a barn full of horse poop

[lethal moat]

By redirecting a river

[acoustic osprey]

No1!

[hexed forge]

LORE

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

@sour rivet How is the aliens theory going

[lethal moat]

Poor guy

[icy onyx]

Lore

[lethal moat]

How much you want

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-be-afraid-little-guy-its-okay-everything-will-be-fine-dont-be-scared-comfort-gif-16812498

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/get-in-loser-pokemon-hunting-creeping-group-chat-gif-11823021

[weak crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ash-pokeball-gif-21700553

[meager junco]

Truly whoever created this, this is just amazing

[lethal moat]

Looks similar to what Aram-Rex does, but that’s about all I could find here :/

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/football-simpsons-hook-to-my-veins-gif-14671764

[median shuttle]

juvie coastal experience be like: emilia erhardt simulator

[fast forge]

basically, yeah

[median shuttle]

truly his greatest achievement the rest i coulda done too

[lethal moat]

This implies that there was serious security measures on the island before it fell, which makes sense because loose dinosaurs, but you know, finding an armory would be neat

[hybrid wagon]

where did you find that?

[meager junco]

Google

[hybrid wagon]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah
I do wonder if these were what, roughly, the checkpoint and sweep teams would wear

really beautiful models though

I wonder if the differences showcases a possible change of time or a contrast of which section "X" person is working in/for within Gateway and the other islands

I do imagine AE/Apollo being very uniform with their aspects

nothing wacky and more or less unplanned like with InGen

[lethal moat]

I want riot control style security measures as well as jungle commando style security, I think depending on what they’re protecting on the island would change what they’re wearing

[acoustic osprey]

a proper built bio-engineering company with roughly 10+ years in the field

[acoustic osprey]

aye
but it just depends on what operations AE did with their dinos

but seeing as they're unfortunate, there might be an aspect of having to use larger and more naturally dangerous creatures

[lethal moat]

Mhm, someone protecting an outpost would have different requirements than someone in charge of security at the domes, as well as working at the domes would likely have to work security for people just as often, if not more often than for dinosaurs

[robust ether]

Pings off cause I'm a... month(?) late, but obligate herbivory just doesn't exist in nature. (Ignoring Arthropoda because I know nothing about that phylum.)

And I can't think of any reasons why that wouldn't hold true for dinosaurs.

[fast forge]

So the reasons for this are actually kinda simple.

Plant matter is extremely tough to break down (cellulose and lignin in particular), and most animals cannot break it down fully themselves, they rely on microbes in their digestive tract to do this. In order for those microbes to work, the plant matter has to basically sit in a vat of microbe soup for a while. This is why herbivores have either foregut or hindgut fermentation (this is literally just where they keep the vats). Cows keep it up in the foregut where they are able to hock it back up to chew on it as cud (providing more mechanical digestion in addition to the chemical digestion of the microbes). Meanwhile animals like elephants and rabbits have hindgut fermentation - fermentation occurs back in or near the intestines, too far to bring it back up to the mouth - this may also be why these animals sometimes practice coprophagy, in order to process that same vegetation a second time.

By contrast, carnivores have EXTREMELY simple digestive tracts. Protein is relatively very easy to break down, and so carnis don't need all the bells and whistles - often their digestive tract is even more simple than a human's. (The exception here are insectivores, who have tough horny stomachs to break apart all of the chitin in bugs.)

So obligate carnivores are obligate simply because they don't have the complex machinery required to break down plant matter (also gives you an appreciation for herbis that evolved from carnis because they gotta re-invent that machinery from scratch - animals like Therizinosaurs).

Herbis on the other hand, generally have a much easier time digesting meat. They do suffer some downsides - meat is very rich and fatty, so even a little too much meat can lead to long-term health issues, similar to what humans experience if they eat too many hamburgers. They have evolved to HAVE to take a long time digesting their food, and all the fiber from plant matter is important in their digestion, so while most herbivores are not technically obligate herbivores in that they can take in a bit of meat occasionally, they are still basically obligate herbivores because even a bit too much can be pretty bad for them.

(Fun aside - some people theorize that foregut fermenters like cows will actually digest a portion of their microbial culture along with their plant food, enriching their diet!)

So to answer the ultimate question, it's likely that herbivorous dinosaurs use one or both types of fermentation in order to digest plant matter, and it's entirely likely that they could have taken in meat along with plant matter, but because the evolutionary constraints to evolve herbivory in the first place or so stringent, it's unlikely that they could have eaten a lot of meat, just like a cow

[lethal moat]

Interesting

So all of that to say, a mutation that makes S diet drain slower and makes food drain the slightest bit slower

[fast forge]

Honestly my best guess as to which dinos were hindgut/foregut fermenters is body shape - do they have a barrel chest or a big butt? I'd bet pachy is a foregut, while stego might have been a hindgut

uhhh yeah

[lethal moat]

Lol

[royal sonnet]

good guesses imo, also yeah some Cervidae (deer, elk, etc) have been known to eat meat every now and again

[fast forge]

There's a lot more to it too - some herbis like elephants will basically digest wood, the toughest food imaginable, while others only eat the choicest fresh green leaves. In addition to that, plant biology changed significantly between the Jurassic and Cretaceous. Animals in the Cretaceous would have had access to soft leafy flowering plants, while animals in the Jurassic would have had to contend with tough fibrous matter like ferns, cycads, and horsetails. Even among herbivore dinosaurs there's a lot of ways to eat plants - hadrosaurs had some of the strangest and most complex teeth known to science, while stuff like a stego or anky would probably just strip off a bunch of fronds with their beak and just chuck it down into the digestive pits

[fast forge]

Yeah they probably supplement with more meat than say a cow, because they eat those choice soft leaves (more simple machinery), while a cow eats tough fibrous grass (more complex machinery)

[lethal moat]

Having different rooms within structures that have different supplies for gen 2 would be cool, armory, warehouse, garage, etc

[royal sonnet]

true, cervids arn't grazers like bovids but more foragers. I think the main thought behind eating meat is lack of nutrients

[fast forge]

Yeah, it really depends on how much supplies they get, and what those supplies are. I've definitely seen places on the map that have garages - the volcano base comes to mind, plenty of parking there. Some human bases don't even have hitboxes to their walls, so I imagine the human structures will get a revamp when Gen 2 hit

[lethal moat]

Imagine hitting a jackpot of a fully stocked warehouse within GUTS

[fast forge]

GUTS will be fun because it will be a nice change from the jungle that covers most of the isle

[lethal moat]

Immediate environment change and change of tactics, probably favors humans better and rock-colored dinos

[fast forge]

It does occur to me - how easily will dinos be able to venture down into the GUTS, considering they are on a food/water constraint? Could there maybe be greenhouses, food storage, or water sources down there? Fun to think about

Like that might be necessary in order to get dinos down there at all, or maybe that's the point, that it's a place very foreign to them

Heck, we could even see new spawn points down there...

[acoustic osprey]

Stones

[lethal moat]

Easy to get down, sustainability relies on a bunch of things, I really want an underground river, just imagine being an austro navigating down to the only safe place underground and seeing a neuro spino emerge

[acoustic osprey]

It also depends on what GUTS truly holds
To what we know from Don
It's only a matter of transporting things to underground human thing 1 to 2

[fast forge]

Yes, gastroliths play a huge role for animals without very good teeth (Thyreophorans like stego, anky, and pachy). Hadrosaurs on the other hand may not have needed gastroliths at all

[acoustic osprey]

Sauropods have such
Don't they?

Can't remember the last time I read on sauropod digestive systems

[fast forge]

oh yeah sauropods too, I wasn't being exhaustive, they're just on the other branch of the dino tree, with the carnivores - I just didn't think of htem

[lethal moat]

A relatively safe driving space compared to the surface

[robust ether]

Do we know how big guts will be?

[fast forge]

I kinda imagine a lot of rooms, hallways, and tunnels for vehicles

[lethal moat]

Depends on the section i would say, i feel like it can be cordoned off in certain areas

[acoustic osprey]

Especially if such
During AEs proper control
These GUTS entrances were concealed within AE-only perimeters

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

Have you seen the concept art?

[robust ether]

No

[fast forge]

this could be very helpful especially to make the complex feel large enough for the operations they once had, while also keeping it tight for gameplay reasons

[lethal moat]

And allowing humans to “capture and hold” certain areas better

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Rumple aren't you sleeping

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Not at the moment

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More lore talk for me to lurk and read

Oh, gonna check out the podcast when I get the time.

Seems kewl

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GUTS has a ton of things that can be done with it, especially if there are bases limited entirely to the underground (tartarus my beloved)

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We started to get off track episode 3, so we realigned episode 4 and 5

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Do yall cover a specific topic each episode?

Actually not the right place to ask

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Specific topic and things immediately related to the topic

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Did they loosen the rules up at some point? It seemed kinda strict a while ago.

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Episode 3 we went off topic for quite awhile, we realigned on the educational aspect, but episode 3 was meandering

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I assume that was a miss-reply

Ight imma read into GUTS

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I want GUTS to be incredibly hostile, but I want to be able to survive down there if you know all the tricks

Memorize GUTS, know where the leaky pipe is, know where to go for gen 2 rations that won’t give you nutrients but will film you up, kill anything you can, just a gollum lifestyle

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I wanna see an underground greenhouse, and you go in and there's like 5 stegos just eating it all

If there are caves and caverns in lore, I imagine we'll see them a bit too

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Bioluminescent sanctuary 🤩

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GUTS is partially manmade, partially natural

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oh like those biomes in minecraft?

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Kind of

I just want there to be a bit of beauty in the darkness

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would be fun to see some bioengineered plants down in the caves

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Overgrown R/D department, or maybe the botany R/D projects growing from the surface into the tunnels

Eating roots from the ceiling

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there's so little info, it could really be anything down there

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Dondi’s dark chuckle when I brought up tartarus on stream didn’t give cheerful vibes

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I'll get it in a bit
When I'm home

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Well
It seems like it's all man made
But, likely, interjecting with natural caves

GUTS, in of itself, was made for transport

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Right

But it takes advantage of natural formations as a foundation for part of the space

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G"Underground Transport System" right? Maybe GUTS is just a specific mechanism within the underground complex? A fast travel system for humans/Gen 2? Willy Wonka's elevator that can travel in any direction? A system for transporting resources?

So if we ask Dondi about GUTS, he's just gonna talk about this specific transport system, and not the entire underground. Unless I'm wrong?

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Generic underground transportation system, its for moving stuff underground, between places, it likely takes up a majority of the explorable underground spaces, if not all of it, but yes, just because something is underground doesn’t mean its a part of GUTS

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gotcha gotcha, I forgot the specifics

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Its likely made of a few transport methods, like monorails, roads, and walkways, so its not just one thing, but yeah, theres a lot that can be done with GUTS, I really want to explore that volcano bunker base

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I was just noticing that the top of the volcano is particularly bland compared to much of the map, it feels like an area that got left for future updates. I'm hoping we get some lava flows

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https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-26895027

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and then lava caves

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BIGSON brought up the idea of AE taking advantage of lava tubes for GUTS as well as potential containment areas, which I hadn’t thought of

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That seems very sci-fi fun, but maybe not realistic, so it's hard to say

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Because if you turn a vertical lava tube into a pit, it could make a very good containment pit for strains

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On dormant and extinct volcanos, lava leaves massive smooth caves that are coated in glass and carbon

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that's possible

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Not with flowing lava in this scenario, just taking advantage of massive empty space underground

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yeah right now the volano looks inactive, although it has a plume of steam or smoke

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Mhm, thats the largest issue with the theory

Im just picturing walking though an obsidian tunnel to get to Tartarus

Or shattered shards of glass surrounding an old hyper skeleton

Lava tubes are neat

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yeah that would be cool

so much potential with underground stuff

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I totally forgot, Dondi did also bring up underwater caves once

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I was just thinking of underwater caves in the context of that one saltwater lake. With a constant influx of freshwater it would have to be connected to the ocean to stay salty

but it's not connected by land at all

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Do you remember that one spot on Spiro to the south of the beach puddle, where there was the super deep saltwater pool? I want something like that, but with no way in except the cave and the top

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I didn't play spiro that much admittedly

Maybe 100 hours, so I don't remember that specific pool

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Basically just a secluded area for climbers, fliers, and saltwater semi-aquatics

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There are caves on gateway near river delta, and I was thinking they could gain a connection to the underground

Honestly for something dinosaur related, I can't think of many caves on gateway? There are like, the natural arches you see here and there

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Not a ton at the moment, but gateway is largely unfinished, would love to see more caves, even if they don’t connect to GUTS, as a sort of place for people to sit and feel safe for a moment (until the tisso disables it’s active camouflage lol)

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Yeah, I'm particularly excited for the upcoming map changes. I had heard something about a coastal update? I hope that makes it in to this one

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We haven’t seen anything on it, but Dondi went in detail about what was proposed, im excited to see the fencing changes we saw on stream

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Just more fencing has me excited as a herra player, because the plains are currently quite dangerous

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Limiting how players move is interesting, and more fencing could possibly give us a slightly better understanding of just what AE was doing

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yeah the current fencing doesn't seem to do much

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My bet is that they limited certain dinos to certain sectors to create different environments

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I particularly like this complex of fences in the East with the strange hallway and stuff, I'd like to see more of that

That big purple blob even has a 3rd entrance into the volcano

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I know, the volcano having 3 GUTS entrances is interesting, and to steal an idea from Lightclaw, brings to mind the idea of Olympus

Which has been mentioned within AE documentation

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?

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The ruling place of the gods in greek mythos, and since there are lots of parallels to greek mythos within AE, the mountain could be “Olympus Central Control” that we saw on the ERRANT 291 stationary

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Oh that's a fantastic point

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GUTS is specifically the tunnel* entrances that find themselves around the island into buildings, webbing together, to connect all facilities to each other underground

but in terms of the caves? Who knows

they may connect or may not with GUTS

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Gotcha

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/713759451836055653/993847937547382824/unknown.png?ex=65f97d85&is=65e70885&hm=a2380c689c4863abb06602193b9c84b0c3a9afb3c976973bef3eabae039cafff&

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Love the monorail

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I noted earlier the volcano has 3 entrances - so does Olympus

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it only has two though? (volcano)

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that's only two

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I haven't explored the Northern Jungle spot - does it not have an entrance?

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no

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Third one up top

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oh I see, I saw the purple bit there and assumed

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only south east and north west

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?

oh, that's right.
The bridge has one
but it's not directly within the volcano. I see what I got wrong

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All three of those spots have an entrance, i would count the easternmost one as a volcano entrance still

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It's at the base of the volcano, but it goes into those hills

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however, I would doubt the three entrances there are solely towards upon Olympus
especially since they refer to three different aspects

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Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon?

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yes

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I agree, i feel like the entrances are going to be quite a bit more different from each other, or at least have a greater variety of attributes

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it'd be much more likely they'd be larger and more altering entrances to Olympus CC

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Thinking about it simply - Zeus atop the mountain, Hades in the underworld, Poseidon in the ocean

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seeing as there are no references to "other tunnel entrances" on the map, despite there being more of the same around the island

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Lots of possible outside connections here, away from "Olympus"

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Pretty much
Hades being, likely, the main hub tunnel into Olympus CC from GUTS
or from an open cave

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Im betting that bottom bit is Tartarus

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If someone wanted to sleuth they could maybe find the font and size and suss out the number of letters in some of those redacted spots

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aye
and I wouldn't be surprised, seeing as the dotted lines in network theory usually refer to a change in altitude

whilst also being split into three sections

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Mhm

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oh we did in a day
But the many possibilities of what the words could be still stands in the thousands+

and not all the spaces in the blacked out parts may be final (being placeholders)

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yeah I figured as much, the best you could do is look at keywords like Tartarus and make some comparisons

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looking at 2172

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😊

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Whenever we get a new lore document, we go all “National Treasure declaration of independence” on it lol

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I figured that was the case

That doc has some fun ideas in it - a "Viewing Platform" and the "Olympus Transmitter"

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Even the species breakdowns have a little bit of lore in them, specifically the gallimimus one

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https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-bad-batch-hemlock-dr-hemlock-gif-11631259284256509397

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I say definitely the Galli one

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Would love to see the olympus transmitter reactivated

The gallimimus one had more AE interaction than the other two, and we milked that for all it’s worth lol

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The Galli bio was actually one I hadn't read... that's interesting

My read is that Galli carnivory may be an emergent ability, like Herra's climbing?

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AE knew about nesting and allowed it, as well as Gallimimus being able to be relocated to a different area to keep the peace, supporting the idea of different sectors being isolated

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I’d say thats pretty likely

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along with this

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Mhm

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Also "the feathered ones didn't do this"

implying they had feathered gallis at one point

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Would love to see those in game

But yeah, more evidence for the replicator being diverse in whatever the heck it’s doing

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Oh hey I didn't realize Maia was a greek god name

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Thats not isle lore stuff, that’s paleontology and whatnot
I didn’t know that either that’s pretty cool

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Zeus gave her a child, it was Hermes

Rereading about the greek gods I feel like more of these names will come up in future lore

Also the numbers 6 and 12 seem prevalent

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The one who birthed the cow thief becomes the dinosaur cow, makes sense

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Well Hermes stole the cows from Apollo, of all people

Would be fun if a general timeline of AE mimics Apollo's life

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He had his priorities straight:

1. Get birthed
2. Rock out to sick tunes and chill with a turtle
3. Stick it to the man and eat well

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Dondi compared AE’s history to Ophedileus (I 100% spelled that wrong)

Lost something important to him, went about fixing it, something happened, and he lost it all again

Very very base version

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I see

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no

not really
that would imply the feathered gallis didn't do it at all, more so

but, also, that both existed at the same time
and likely were made at the same/similar time

Orpheus

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Oh is GUTS just underground transportation? I assumed it was more for some reason.