isle-lore-theories

[pseudo fable]

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[patent ginkgo]

#isle-lore-theories , reuniting people since whenever this channel was created

[lethal moat]

Maybe Neuros are supposed to have laser eyes and have GPS satellite communication using gamma ray bursts or whatever (joke)

[ionic sable]

Oh Don, have you seen the latest version of my attempt at recreating the style of the roadmap UI?

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.

Ah screw it I'll just post it in here.

[meager junco]

I’m more going off stuff that was in old docs of hellshades, but the design models themselves have always given me a “unfinished product” feeling, like something that (sorry for saying this) but something that still belongs in a womb

[ionic sable]

Sounds are far from complete, but the actual visuals I reached a point I'm happy with.

Tried to make that part distinctly different from the original.

[lethal moat]

Also depends on whether or not AE is having the goal of “product” or if it’s just some rich dude’s attempt at betterment of humanity

[meager junco]

Still waiting on that CEO reveal

[lethal moat]

He’s literally me

[patent ginkgo]

The CEO is NOT a cryptid

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[ionic sable]

Is the betterment of humanity plan the confirm motivation?

It adds up, but I don't remember seeing that confirmed.

[meager junco]

And I bet don hasn’t seen this in a minute

[patent ginkgo]

Man I keep seeing “Don is typing” and then it disappears and I get sad again

[meager junco]

He toys with us

[ionic sable]

Starting to make me slightly anxious.

[lethal moat]

Not confirmed, but we kind of know someone or someones had a bad shot at life and is trying to make stuff better from something Don said on stream

[patent ginkgo]

I would definitely sacrifice a lot to make everything better

[lethal moat]

I’d light you on fire to make things better

[patent ginkgo]

Like I would sacrifice literally anything but my life and free will to be omnipotent

[patent ginkgo]

I’m sure

[lethal moat]

lol

So I’m like 80% sure that the half dome at the bottom of the Errant 291 sheet is Tartarus, but I’m not sure

[ionic sable]

Omnipotence sounds like a stretch, trying to evolve humanity artificially makes sense to me, but not sure how you could get from there to omnipotent beings.

[lethal moat]

Having different layers of Tartarus would be interesting, Like Asphodel, Tartarus, Hades, Elysium etc

[patent ginkgo]

Nah I was just saying

[ionic sable]

Ah ok

[patent ginkgo]

I doubt omnipotence plays any part in lore

But the idea of being able to quickly and greatly improve something like humanity is a similar idea

As long as you can make it up after the fact, sacrificing things is a trivial matter

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/blVuB.gif

[patent ginkgo]

Ooh

[lethal moat]

That’s a very slippery slope if you preemptively justify atrocities before knowing if your end goal is able to be accomplished

[patent ginkgo]

Exactly

Big risk

Big reward

[ionic sable]

I was just about to say, if you have a bid on creating essentially infinite life...

Infinite XP glitch.

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/blVuB.gif

[lethal moat]

Unless you never get to the reward and you just poured an ungodly amount of resources into something, sunk cost fallacy and whatnot

[ionic sable]

Sunk cost fallacy my beloved.

[lethal moat]

We’re getting somewhere

I don’t know where but we are going in that direction!

[ionic sable]

The real question we should be asking is what the hell could you possibly gain by sacrificing a life.

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/7bu6.gif

[lethal moat]

Uh, XP and loot drops, as well as a temporary speed buff

[meager junco]

Upgrade

[lethal moat]

I’d say that really depends on what the replicator can do and what AE is trying to accomplish overall, if they were trying to perfect life or discover the soul or whatever they should have stopped at matriarch if that was the case

We don’t know how the replicator works, but apparently it needs sacrifices so I don’t know what’s going on with that

[nimble fractal]

5 EXP and 3 coins

[meager junco]

Only thing I can think of is bio material

[lethal moat]

Biotrace maybe, whatever the hell that is

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bK0Sw9ogrMD.gif

[lethal moat]

Well I was at like 60% but now it’s at like 15%

[patent ginkgo]

Gen 1s just kinda like sacrificing things to it?

[meager junco]

I mean he did say we’re very close at times…he just doesn’t let us always know

[lethal moat]

That could be Gen 1 misunderstanding what the replicator wants or needs

[ionic sable]

Eh that doesn't sound right.

It just doesn't quite fit, we know sacrifice in terms of the lore has always referred to gen 1, but this feels different.

Why would Apollo sacrifice living things to a machine/AI/whatever that they created, unless it was some form of vessel, wouldn't it make more sense if they were making the sacrifices to something else?

[patent ginkgo]

Perhappenchanceneitherwho

[lethal moat]

Well sacrificing is really weird if the replicator wants something specific, because what if it’s damaged in acquisition

[patent ginkgo]

I mean the island itself is almost a type of sacrifice

[meager junco]

What if the machine isn’t just a replicator but a super computer, smarter than anything mankind has made before, something you can ask it extreme questions like “what’s the meaning of life”

[lethal moat]

44

[patent ginkgo]

42*

[lethal moat]

Damn, it’s been a few years

[patent ginkgo]

Same

[ionic sable]

No no no

Hold on, I'm saying to stop thinking about sacrifices as automatically just being "sacrifices to the replicator." Because that just doesn't quite fit with what we know.

[lethal moat]

Right

We know about the ability to capture gen 2 alive, so why would that be a thing if not for sacrifices, maybe the replicator needs something they in particular can provide

[patent ginkgo]

Given that the dinos are “unfortunate and necessary” and they take up an entire island

[ionic sable]

I'm either severely misunderstanding how the replicator is presented in the story.

Or, we are all just missing a massive piece of the puzzle.

[meager junco]

Probably B

[lethal moat]

We know pretty much nothing, it’s probably both

[ionic sable]

Fair enough.

[patent ginkgo]

People being turned into strains is a situation that fits the idea of no risk if you can make it back

[lethal moat]

Well we had a conversation like this the other day that Dondi chimed in on, let me find it

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah that’s what I’m referring to

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

That makes it sound like they’re aware of what they’re doing

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah

[ionic sable]

The fact that Don stopped responding after this message has me a bit concerned that we just went off the trail. Sorry chat.

[lethal moat]

Probably, I’m refocusing on something similar

[patent ginkgo]

I mean I would turn myself into a strain if it made the world better in a hugely significant way

[meager junco]

I’m just curious on the state of the civilized world , if things are drastically different from us

[lethal moat]

He never confirmed or denied the idea of the EIP thing earlier, so maybe the replicator can retrieve people from dinosaurs, and entombment is just putting the body for storage while extracting the “soul” maybe Biotrace

Or something vaguely along those lines

[ionic sable]

Speaking of strains, I'm a bit curious.

Are they trying to refine each individual strain into its own definitive thing, or are they trying to "combine" them all into something else.

Because both are rather viable directions.

[lethal moat]

Another thing to consider is wether or not the replicator has any ability to take back or undo anything it’s already done

[patent ginkgo]

I mean if it’s for the betterment of humanity in some relation to health, I’d say individual

[meager junco]

Stop before he puts the Nicolas cage gif

[patent ginkgo]

That’s your cue!!!!!

[ionic sable]

Well now he's not gonna.

[patent ginkgo]

[lethal moat]

I’m just trying to figure out how the hell Gen 1s “serving” the replicator benefits it other than protection, if sacrificing things are kind of up in the air

What is the replicator trying to accomplish sort of thing

[fallow harbor]

evoulatiom? like maybe they sacrifice stuff in hopes the replicator transform them

[patent ginkgo]

What AE is trying to accomplish is more interesting to me

[ionic sable]

And now we've reverted back to the fundamentals.

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-john-hammond-yahoo-jurassic-park-yahoo-john-hammond-yahoo-gif-21207753

[lethal moat]

Well we’ve guessed it artificially speeds up natural selection, but we are once again at a “why dinosaurs” question

[ionic sable]

Oh well, we're all pretty much just messing around in here anyways.

[fallow harbor]

maybe ae gave the replicator a base to work on like how u gotta give chat gpt base art refferances for it to make art and ae used dinosaurs for the replicator to learn from

[patent ginkgo]

I do wonder, was AE’s transition from botany to anything else forced or chosen?

[lethal moat]

Probably, but what’s the end goal of the evolution

We know what’s going on kinda, but not how it ties into the end goal

If there even is only a singular end goal and not multiple

[ionic sable]

This feels like those points in a ghost hunting movie or game where the characters ask the wrong question too many times and the ghost fades away.

[patent ginkgo]

Dondi ghost niche

[lethal moat]

Yep

“Hey Demons, it’s ya boi”

[patent ginkgo]

Which is partly why I was trying to get back to AE origins/thought process

[fallow harbor]

well it has the most powerful thing in the world, does there really have to be an end goal

[patent ginkgo]

Which, it’s very good to know that AE has a current/most recent focus on terrestrial plants

[fallow harbor]

it could just be them trying to find an end goal as the replicator is revolutionary

the end goal would be them finding an end goal

[lethal moat]

I feel we’ve pretty much confirmed that AE keeps the dinosaurs and the island hidden because of the ethical and moral violations on the island in an attempt to get to their goal, so we did get a bit out of Dondi’s appearance

[patent ginkgo]

Sandbox mode for a corporation seems highly unlikely as a story

[fallow harbor]

well i mean, what would u do if u had the replicator?

[patent ginkgo]

Use it for what I made it for

[lethal moat]

I’m thinking that whatever happened on the island was a case of “I don’t care how you do it, just get results” gone wrong

[fallow harbor]

the replicator was made? i thought it was found/an accident

[meager junco]

We don’t know

[lethal moat]

I would guess it was made, but we can’t be sure

[ionic sable]

Shot in the dark.
But wouldn't it make more sense if the "why dinosaurs" question can be answered with a simple "Because dinosaurs are the only things that can provide X goal."

For instance, some trait of prehistoric creatures makeup that they want to isolate or recreate.

[fallow harbor]

well i mean, they are dinosaurs. they would have to be doing WILD stuff for it to be legally wrong (it being legally wrong seems to be the focal point of them hiding it)

[meager junco]

The only thing that really makes dinosaurs stand out is the fact they were the biggest and most successful dynasty

[lethal moat]

We also know that human experimentation is probably a strong possibility, despite them probably knowing the side effects of strains, unless something changed the strains and it was supposed to go better than it did

[fallow harbor]

maybe its like that one spider man villan that wanted to evolve the whole human race

[ionic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/its-the-next-step-in-human-evolution-the-lizard-human-evolution-next-step-lizard-gif-24834365

[lethal moat]

I wouldn’t think to that extreme, but something similar possibly

[meager junco]

Turning all humans into Gen 1 creatures could make sense, AE gives replicator the task to improve upon humanity, and replicator gives the answer but it’s not the answer they wanted

[ionic sable]

I still think if this movie didn't have likeable characters it would have been terrible.

[fallow harbor]

yes

like gen 1 is the replicators view of a perfect human (as it would view huamans as animals)

[meager junco]

Misguided questions and unwanted answers

[lethal moat]

I definitely think that either AE messed up something majorly, or that something was sabotaged at a critical moment

[maiden sundial]

Considering gen 2 is humans but better. You're probably on the right track

[meager junco]

Supposedly that isn’t gen 1s pov, I asked the other day cause it’s been a theory of mine for a while

[fallow harbor]

but it may be the replicators pov

[maiden sundial]

Æ didn't really care and nurture the Gen 1 most likely. Or at least did something to get gen 1 to be against Æ.

[meager junco]

That’s what I asked hold up

[fallow harbor]

as since it would view humans as animals, it would spec more points into animal stuff and less into mind

[lethal moat]

I don’t think that gen 1 was relatively new, given how many different types could exist

[meager junco]

@fallow harbor

[fallow harbor]

damn

maybe gen 1 is like strain lite

[maiden sundial]

It could be that gen 1 was experimented on, which caused resentment within them for Æ. Combine that with the replicator. And it's likely that the gen 1 rebelled and forcefully expelled Æ from the islands

[lethal moat]

Eh, I kind of doubt it

[fallow harbor]

adding onto this maybe gen 1 is the result of adding this prehistoric makeup to humans

[lethal moat]

I would agree that’s a possibility

[fallow harbor]

can gen 1s talk?

[maiden sundial]

The reason why Gen 2 is loyal could be that they were created in a non replicator manner and probably cared for much more than the Gen 1.

[fallow harbor]

whats gen 1s iq

[lethal moat]

Some of them aren’t very smart and are animal like, so they might be able to communicate, but I would say human language might be a stretch

[maiden sundial]

Likely around or slightly below the average of a human. But they vary.

[meager junco]

I still think it’s more because the replicator has been tasked over and over again with prehistoric creatures, it possibly just created a “prehistoric human”

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[meager junco]

It’s all it knows

[fallow harbor]

this is why i think gen 1 is strain lite. maybe gen 1 are the predecaorscous to the colllosauus etc etc

[lethal moat]

Dondi’s just watching with popcorn as we get further and further off track

[lethal moat]

I feel gen 1 was a failed experiment turned learning experience

Like a stepping stone to bigger and better things

[fallow harbor]

like the smart gen one was a failed whatever its called

whats the smart version of collousus called?

[meager junco]

Echidna?

[fallow harbor]

yes

[lethal moat]

The Echidna? Thats a neuro strain

[fallow harbor]

maybe the smart gen 1 are a failed version of echidna

and with gen 1 the end goal was echidna, collosas etc

[lethal moat]

Echidna is a strain (probably human) I don’t think they were gen 1

[fallow harbor]

im not saying they were made from gen 1

but like the smart gen 1 was a failed by product of trying to make echidna

[lethal moat]

I don’t think so

I think that Gen 1 was a failed attempt to make Gen 2

I don’t think strains and gen 1 are overly connected, though I could be wrong

But it also depends on who the echidna was before, they could be a researcher or someone hired for that specific reason, like a D class personnel in SCP

[fallow harbor]

maybe echidna wasnt a specific person

hollup ima make a theory real quick

[meager junco]

I’ve also wondered, for the Trinity, do they inject a human/gen1/2 fetus with the strain? Watch it grow

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[meager junco]

Instead of just instant “big lizard potion”

[fallow harbor]

what is the group of collorss edchnida and the other ne called?

[lethal moat]

Good point, is the Astronaut allegory for the victim or for the researcher

[lethal moat]

We call it the trinity

But we also might be trying to connect unconnected things when it comes to the separate strains

We have heard nothing about any parallels or similarities or connections between strains, we’re tying it together with: These ones are different than normal

AE doctrine and research are still largely a mystery

[fallow harbor]

okay so my theory is that ae was using just regualer normal employes to in trying to make the trinity but each time they tried they only got differant versions of gen 1s. thus gen 1s were a byproduct of ae trying to make the trinity. in them getting the gen 1s they discoverd a major flaw and realized they would need a near perfect human for them to make the trinity, which is why they made gen 2's, then they used gen 2's for trying to make the trinity until they got it right

[meager junco]

This would also apply to any strain in the end really, I kinda do hope your idea of “growing a strain” becomes real

[lethal moat]

It’s not unreasonable, but I do think Gen 1 were intentional

[fallow harbor]

maybe after they were a byproduct they kept making them because there was something about them

like at first they werent made on purpose, but once they were made they didnt stop

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[lethal moat]

Mutate until you get too many and invest in a strain 🤞

If apex vs apex is going to be loud and scary, imagine something like a neuro vs a hyper

[meager junco]

I was thinking something similar, kill off your current Dino but upon returning to whichever Dino you were (Rex for example) it has a little special H icon beside for you to click, then spawn in a special containment not too far from the surface if it’s in a facility

[lethal moat]

Press E to break the glass and escape from the cloning vat

[meager junco]

YES

[lethal moat]

Starting off with a little bit of bleed from the glass wouldn’t be so bad for a hyper, but might be worse for a neuro or tisso

Then again, we also know that the cloning vats can get pretty massive, so you could spawn in as a preserved adult apex strain

A lake of preservation fluid

With floating contained strains

Like that one lake of inferni in Half-Blood Prince, but spookier

[meager junco]

Could also just spawn as a h Rex in one of the huge cages, would give them purpose but wouldn’t be as cool…

[lethal moat]

Breaking out of containment through multiple levels would be ideal

[meager junco]

Yeh and strain babies should have unfair advantage just to be able to get to the surface

Like tougher resistances or much stronger health than regular babies so

Start off with 2k health

[lethal moat]

Getting lost in GUTS and starving to death as a hyper rex

[meager junco]

Worst part, I bet we’ll never see strains for that exact reason

[lethal moat]

To be fair, a baby hyper might be the size of an adult Cerato

[meager junco]

And we still don’t know evrimas size

[lethal moat]

Bigg

[meager junco]

I forget the stats for H Rex on legacy, like weight and height

HEIGHT
9-11.86 meters (29.5-38.9 feet)
LENGTH
21-23 meters (68.9 - 75.5 feet)
WEIGHT
28.9 - 38 tons (63,700 - 83,775 pounds)

[lethal moat]

The cloning vat showcase might give us a bit more information on what we want

Oh yeah, heccin Chonk

[meager junco]

Yeh and it could be bigger

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[scarlet verge]

When are you going to get unmuted lol

[lethal moat]

Never, they fear my power

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

I’ve come to save the day

[lethal moat]

I am the creator of the Markiplier Maia milk meme, I am unhinged and cannot be trusted to post normal things

[lethal moat]

Thank

Would AE pull a Jurassic world and encourage the use of nonlethals to protect the assets?

[meager junco]

Nah I think AE can pull the plug on something if really necessary

At least that’s my opinion

[lethal moat]

Me staring at the anky as I point a taser at it

[meager junco]

He’s just a boulder leave him be!

[lethal moat]

He rushed me first!

I think it depends on the asset, like strains might be insanely valuable

But nobody would care if I punted a minmi into a Carno

[meager junco]

Yeh but then again , bubblu reminded us how in legacy , neuro spinos were terminated , but a lot has probably changed

[lethal moat]

Mhm

Still not 100% sure about that

I didn’t see that when looking through stuff, but I could be wrong

[meager junco]

Yeh I’m not saying it’s canon as first of all it’s legacy stuff, but tap did make an art about it so maybe it was a thing? Or perhaps someone saw taps art thinking it was official stuff

[lethal moat]

Maybe

But it’s interesting to think about in terms of discovering the flaws of strains

Tisso is an enigma

We don’t know enough yet

Other than regeneration

And a bit of matriarch

[meager junco]

Also I was thinking about this
Do you think it’s safe to assume strains get improved versions of their abilities?
Rexs crush becomes demolish, giga bleed becomes a bleed frenzy

[lethal moat]

That was my assumption as well, but since we only have one concept art I wouldn’t call it a “safe” assumption

Hyper spino having a devilijo mouth could be interesting

Giga with the split jaw to increase surface area of teeth bleeding

Etc

Carno with wack horns

Make use of your assets and if you boost everything else why not scale your most valuable tool as well

[meager junco]

I will kill for a deviljho mod in the future

But yeh that’s my general idea on it as well

[hexed forge]

What is the lore topic of the hour?

[lethal moat]

Back to basics

[patent ginkgo]

AE mindset and why dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Unfortunate but necessary

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[hexed forge]

Necessary but unfortunate

[patent ginkgo]

I would believe it

[hexed forge]

MAP CHANGES!!! MAP CHANGES!!! MAP CHANGES!!! RAHHHHHHHHHH

[hexed forge]

I bet the size of a pachy-dilo most likely

[lethal moat]

Maybe

That's under the assumption that a baby dino could even handle a strain

[meager junco]

Yeh strains might be too hard for hatchlings or such, maybe they do only test on adults since the strain might kill anything younger

I would still like to see it tho lol

[acoustic osprey]

it depends

I'd say it also depends on what strain that is

[lethal moat]

mhm

[acoustic osprey]

and, possibly, the time that it takes place
I don't imagine there is just one version of a strain type

Like how there will be more than just one Gen1 versions? types? variants?
Or multiple versions of Dinosaurs- whether on purpose or not (Augustus)

but we did know the matriarch had children in Legacy lore

[meager junco]

You mean….strain…variants…?

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

i mean it could actually exist

if Hypers and other strains didn't destroy the islands right away
I wouldn't doubt that they would've tried making more (changing aspects about) changes for the strains

[lethal moat]

/tableflip Depends on what they are going for once again

[meager junco]

Even if we don’t get variants per say, I would like it if every strain came out a bit unique, going from longer teeth, longer claws, different shape of scales, all cosmetic tho, nothing stat altering

[lethal moat]

mhm

I still think cosmetic mutations would be sick

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-oppenheimer-meme-oppenheimer-stare-opps-gif-15308305416107220221

[hexed forge]

Isnt that like confirmed? Not sure

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

New lore podcast episode is out: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5w8jHzk4cHXOf0AQ6vVCcQ?si=i3wxn_iXSeelpuYf9V-Xeg

[acoustic osprey]

heck yeah

[lethal moat]

Definitely went smoothly without any technical issues that arose from me messing around with microphone settings

[dusky valley]

Hear me out what if deinosuchus is just an alligator given steroids

[deft maple]

how many lives would you need to survive through until old age to get mutation points for a hypo mutation?

if mutation worked in currency/points that is

[nimble fractal]

Thats a good question
Because I think.....if the mutations will work.... it will be separated into the different branches
And when you max out the branch, you become that strain???? Omg
But how is that lore

[lethal moat]

No clue, but thousand life contract is a thing that exists in lore, so we’ll have to wait and see what that is

[meager junco]

I do like what vrap was getting to yesterday, how mutations possibly have lore meaning, basically small enhancements to an organism to later possibly use for humans

Also morning rump

[lethal moat]

Morning

We brought up how the replicator could be growing mutations on the dinosaur like how we grow vaccines on eggs or something, but that’s a possibility

[meager junco]

Yeh I was thinking it’s possible AE is trying to make all of humanity better, from enhancements(mutations) to making Gen 2, and dinosaurs are just the test subjects
Then we get into the ||”WhY dInOsAuRs”||

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-dont-dont-do-it-the-office-michael-scott-gif-14178027

[nimble fractal]

Unfortunate and unnecessary

[lethal moat]

I asked that 2 word question on the first recording of the podcast last night and we went on a 20 minute tangent

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-gif-8590249505052353062

[meager junco]

We fixed that second recording at least

[lethal moat]

Thanks

[pseudo fable]

Where can one listen to a 20 minute tangent of, "Why dinosaurs?"

[lethal moat]

Not on the newest podcast episode because I wasn’t recording my microphone

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/4bcS.gif

[lethal moat]

We recorded that episode twice, but it wasn’t the worst thing, although we did end up excluding Vraptor

But yeah, Spotify lore podcast is fun to make

[lethal moat]

Our summary ended up being that AE wants something

We did consider mutations on dinosaurs like vaccines on eggs,

[signal wolf]

Poor raptor 😔

[meager junco]

I was literally just thinking “I wonder if don popped up”

[lethal moat]

Two words can have a lot of influence in lore

Watch this: Shirley Entombment

[signal wolf]

agreed

[meager junco]

She’s important

She has to be!

[patent ginkgo]

One of the first proper large bodied carnivorous megafauna that AE created

[meager junco]

My guess is Rex was one of the first just cause Shirley’s number was 003 while Augustus was 174(?)

[lethal moat]

So what determines what’s replicated and how often, probably lifespan and/or size?

I’d say probably lifespan if the replicator is making changes to each dinosaur after they die and putting that species/replication back out

[meager junco]

Lifespan is a good idea, size as well but I feel like they go hand in hand, bigger creatures live longer

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[meager junco]

As stupid as this sounds

Replicator possibly puts them in tiers like how the community does

Small to Apex

[lethal moat]

I’d say it’s less of a tier and more of a slider

[meager junco]

Yeh I’m just using that as a sort of example cause I couldn’t think of anything else fitting

I’m not trying to start a tier war in here

[lethal moat]

Right

[meager junco]

But then that falls to Gen 1

Wth are they even classified as

Cryptids?

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 may not be in the right, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t also victims

[signal wolf]

Maybe anomalies? Since they were a mistake in production right?

[maiden sundial]

Humanoids. Dunno if they would belong in the genus homo.

[nimble fractal]

I still believe that Gen 1 once were normal humans

[lethal moat]

I do not

[meager junco]

That’s why I’m still keeping to “natural mindsets” on the creatures and not accepting EIPS yet

[lethal moat]

Maybe, but even if they were a mistake, they were still produced at the time the island fell

[meager junco]

I feel like they have an actual behaviour they follow, and not like what Isaac was saying about how legacy Dino’s would act weird

[signal wolf]

I see

[maiden sundial]

Gen 1 and 2 are man-made creations, I don't think they're modified humans. But made humans. Gen 1 being some sort of thing the replicator made from either on its own, or a prompt given to it that was fumbled.

[lethal moat]

That’s my guess as well

[nimble fractal]

AI prompt "human modified strong perfect body agile print"

I see, I see....

[maiden sundial]

While Gen 2 was more hands on. Think how Jurassic park did its dinosaurs if I were to make an analogy.

[lethal moat]

Ehhh, we know that it’s not “replicator’s version of humans”, but it might be something along script being fumbled

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[meager junco]

After a few months of nonstop lore I really am starting to see theories reappear

[maiden sundial]

Gen 2 not only would have closer ties to the company of Æ, but also less ties to the replicator.

[lethal moat]

Right

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chasing-cars-joker-batman-gif-21630323

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chasing-cars-joker-batman-gif-21630323

[maiden sundial]

They were probably made post evacuation of the island.

[meager junco]

All we know is rump knows something

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[lethal moat]

I don’t know anything (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Also thanks

[meager junco]

LIES
Np

[maiden sundial]

Speaking of the evacuation. Is it kinda locked in something, most likely gen 1, pushed Æ off the island? Considering they left a LOT.

[lethal moat]

I would say that something forced AE out quickly, Gen 1 isn’t an unreasonable assumption

[fallow harbor]

i wonder if there is an in lore reason for the roster we have right now (im talking strictily about normal dinosaurs)

[meager junco]

Why dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

Did you just say why dinosaurs

[meager junco]

Hehehehe

[maiden sundial]

Why not?

[meager junco]

Well one reason I keep to, they have a machine that can replicate anything, and AE still chooses them, so there’s something special about them for sure

What exactly? Who knows

[maiden sundial]

My personal headcanon is the head of Apollo is a huge dino nerd.

[lethal moat]

That’d be funny

[meager junco]

Aka dondi

We actually made a joke about that on the podcast last night lol

[maiden sundial]

And make sense. I'd do the exact same

[meager junco]

How the actual real reason, is dondi wanted a Dino game

[hexed forge]

I heard dondi was talking in chat today, any lore?

[icy onyx]

🤔

[hexed forge]

No lore.. just him talking about the lorecord podcast ig

[icy onyx]

😃 👍

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1145482154109849701/1190040291953090650/de1mrtp-75cf0a6e-aae5-4be6-8d8d-362c0b7ec6e3.gif?ex=65a05a63&is=658de563&hm=9c89b3280e0c12f8d793ea8911bd50bd9af6cd0b191af416f8a3bcdbcae1d596&

[icy onyx]

😃 👍

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1198113650024656937/vJuLlbrg.gif

Anyways

[quartz marsh]

what is tartarus

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/there-cheer-up-buttercup-it-gif-21613666

[quartz marsh]

what is it

[hexed forge]

Isle lore term

Wanna know more about the lore?

[quartz marsh]

sure

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184681758231363636/1200925585678028880/ssstwitter.com_1696211849425_1.mov?ex=65d12e9b&is=65beb99b&hm=89310040b64b917ef25f9bb0fa5a20104e5657d5d78a3562d7bddd1c6fb5c591&

[hexed forge]

Would you accept an invitation to lorecord..

[quartz marsh]

what is this

[hexed forge]

Ignore that

[quartz marsh]

sure

[lethal moat]

Princess and the frog clip

[hexed forge]

dms

@lethal moat Mission accomplished

[lethal moat]

Nice

[signal wolf]

i wish i couldve save bonjo in time

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-cant-even-save-yourself-lisa-guillory-tell-me-your-secrets-you-cant-even-help-you-youra-unable-to-save-your-own-gif-20442597

[hexed forge]

I hope our theories about gateway being located in southeast asia/oceania are true

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah

Although it’s completely a hunch now

[hexed forge]

If the theory is completely wrong all our hardwork goes into the trash lmao

[patent ginkgo]

Given that that was started off of non diet plants

Although beard’s vid using snow crabs and whatever turtle it is also showed a similar result

But it was more toward East Asia

[hexed forge]

One of japans islands?

[patent ginkgo]

Somewhere around there yeah

[hexed forge]

Japan has a high level of technology, so.. might make sense? Im not sure

[patent ginkgo]

I mean I doubt a company like Apollo would be constrained geographically

With the exception of a war

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

[solar umbra]

As anyone has made a list of birds songs and calls used in the Isle ? It may help to locate the area if the species used are logical. I wish I could help but I don't know East Asian species (it's driving me nuts not knowing what's singing in the background)

[acoustic osprey]

eh, uh, oh, i
(no)

Why? Bird calls are certainly hard to point out, certainly.
But also, we aren't sure if they're store-bought, intentional or just for "tropical atmosphere"

[solar umbra]

Yeah that's the problem if it's just regular tropical birds used for the atmosphere background

[acoustic osprey]

you could probably find something in the game files about ambience
but likely who knows

You'll have to ask Don for if they went very specific

or not truly, like Botany at the moment

[solar umbra]

I swear I heard an Eurasian Wren in the forest somewhere ? If the island is located somewhere in East Asia, the breeding range of this species seems to be also in that area (I have to check)

[solar umbra]

Oh well if I see him here I will ask for it !

[acoustic osprey]

the irony is, I most likely will see him first and forget to ask

[solar umbra]

It's okay if you forget ahah ! It's not an urgent question so I can always ask later 😁

In the meantime I will try to determine some species I may know (and maybe learn new ones in the process) and come back with my results

[gloomy hare]

Everyone is sick of being bored while growing as a Dino. When humans come out will we be able to go to school? Get a job, do our taxes? Learn to ride a bike. Go to the mall? Then we don't have to sit in bushes.

[strange shell]

no

[acoustic osprey]

you overestimate what makes Gen2s "human"

[gloomy hare]

ahh well into the bush people will go.

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/baLHM.gif

[steel summit]

i agree

https://tenor.com/view/kill-it-with-fire-fire-gif-13411041

[pseudo fable]

Easily one of the best one-offs.

[nimble fractal]

Hi Don!

[pseudo fable]

Hello.

[steel summit]

is this basically soft confirm of flamethrowers?

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/96h0.gif

[steel summit]

i see

[pseudo fable]

I was just providing solutions to the bush people.

[steel summit]

its an effective solution

cant hide in the bush if the bush is gone

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

[gloomy hare]

i watched a documentary on animals. they just seemed to be just sitting around not doing anything. sitting in and around bushes. I think Dondi stuffed it for them. nothing for them to do

[acoustic osprey]

go cry me a river (in which that river is called Styx)!!!
you get it?

||Sorry||

[lethal moat]

That’s neat but not really discussion for this channel

[lethal moat]

Let’s talk a moment about sabatoge

[meager junco]

You think the incidents is an inside job?

[lethal moat]

What motivations would someone have to sabatoge, if AE is so secretive, it’s most likely someone who wants out but cannot, or someone who infiltrated way further than they thought they would, I don’t imagine many saboteurs make it off the island without getting caught

[maiden sundial]

Well maybe a sabotage from sympathetic workers?

[lethal moat]

Right, but the problem would once again be getting out, especially if AE observes as much as I think they do

[maiden sundial]

What if they didn't?

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[meager junco]

The only thing that keeps me from saying it’s possible is how tight AE seems to keep its staff, knowing everything about them from where they are to who they are

[lethal moat]

Any sabotage would have to be worth not coming back, it also depends who the saboteur works for, if anyone, and how many resources they have and what they know

I imagine the most common form of sabotage would be from employees who disagree with something and foil their own work to spite the company

[meager junco]

Yeh possibly some said “well I’m already stuck here forever, ima do the best I can to screw them over”

[maiden sundial]

My thinking is that some workers within Æ became sympathetic to the Gen 1 and the problems they caused and sabotaged either the security systems, maybe even comms.

[lethal moat]

Potentially

[maiden sundial]

And the Gen 1 did the dirty work for them by driving the other humans out. Likely sacrificing themselves in the process because Gen 1 probably really don't like humans. Helping or not.

[lethal moat]

I was thinking more along the lines of discovering moral qualms like vivisections and creating things that live in pain and whatnot

[signal wolf]

Sacrificing is cool

[lethal moat]

I imagine if humans helped Gen 1, they would put credit to the replicator

But just trying to correct things they’ve done that they regret and messing it up could release something terrible onto the island

[maiden sundial]

True, but think of how fast the replicator would have to react in order to get the gen 1 to not attack them.

[lethal moat]

And what if the replicator doesn’t care

[maiden sundial]

Thats if the replicator is still sentient

[maiden sundial]

That too.

[lethal moat]

But yeah, I’m picturing some poor employee feeling bad for a tissoplastic carno, pulling a JW fallen kingdom and then watching the entire ranger base get slaughtered

[maiden sundial]

Forgive me for being so insistent on gen 1. But tbh they're probably the most likely creature to be booting out Æ.

[meager junco]

That or echidna imo

[lethal moat]

Right, I’m not talking about the incident yet, I’m just saying previous smaller instances of sabotage

[meager junco]

Echidna(s) would be more preferable

[maiden sundial]

Considering Echidna is "mother of the eyeless" which is a strain of gen 1. Maybe she was the mastermind of "the incident"

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message This ties into things that have been said over the last few days which is why I brought it up 👀

[maiden sundial]

Oh.

[meager junco]

Rump had a theory kinda making every creature in a sort of rank and position with echidna being at the top with replicator

[lethal moat]

Less rank and more levels of secrecy, since we know there are different security clearances

[signal wolf]

I like that theory. It makes sense with a primitive-like society

[maiden sundial]

I doubt the average intern of an island knows anything beyond the modern fauna and prehistoric flora on the island.

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[signal wolf]

I wonder how much AE pays, I’d like to intern there

[lethal moat]

Some poor AE intern looking out the window and seeing something 3 security clearances above him staring back

[maiden sundial]

You'd have to be PRETTY high rank to sabotage. Hm...I just thought of something. Since Æ is a very influential company. And has a lot behind their veil. There's probably dozens if not hundreds of workers under them or even non workers that possibly know at least an INKLING of what's going on on those islands

[signal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[lethal moat]

Not really, a forklift driver could ruin millions of dollars of assets if left unsupervised, or even if he’s being watched

[maiden sundial]

Ngl I imagine in those situations they're either taken to tartarus security or given that clearance. Since you somehow surviving something like that means you definitely have some value

[lethal moat]

Yep

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/йокелемене-men-in-black-light-sunglasses-gif-15516530

[signal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/йокелемене-men-in-black-light-sunglasses-gif-15516530

[lethal moat]

Thank

[maiden sundial]

Not necessarily in the know to the point of knowing about the dinosaurs. But SOMETHING is going on. Think hunters from WoD.

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[maiden sundial]

It's like looking behind the veil of normalcy in WoD

Even to how dire the consequences are if you are found out.

Imagine their forums

Like conspiracy forums

[meager junco]

For staff tho, I do remember Isaac saying something about how it might be possible for them to be sort of brainwashed, and maybe some regained consciousness through events like errant 291

Maybe the replicator truly gives you your “soul” back or something in a manner of speaking

[lethal moat]

Are AE employees allowed contact with the outside world while on the island

[signal wolf]

I doubt AE would want to risk that

[maiden sundial]

Probably low class that don't see anything they haven't publicly disclosed.

Though it could be limited to like, once a week.

[lethal moat]

But just knowing the dinosaurs exist is still a lot given dinosaurs are supposedly a part of that hidden 10% example Dondi gave us

[maiden sundial]

Hm. What about the prehistoric flora?

[lethal moat]

We haven’t really seen any yet

[meager junco]

I mean I’d assume they know about the dinosaurs. Gen1? Strains? Matriarch? Trinity? Most likely not

[maiden sundial]

The cycad groves

That or they can contact the outside world, just by contract cannot talk about large amounts of work.

[lethal moat]

It might be similar to a military thing for lower level employees where you can’t share classified information, but like Dondi said, once you’re in you’re in

[signal wolf]

They most likely didn’t know about the gritty stuff. I’m sure AE kept that stuff close under wraps and maybe high level employees knew about it

[meager junco]

That’s why I think brainwashing of sorts might be in play, as he also said “what if they don’t want to leave?” When asked about that

[maiden sundial]

Ngl rn I'm imagining some Tumblr forum that found a SINGULAR video from gateway and it was that Herrera incident report.

[signal wolf]

That’s possible

[lethal moat]

If they believe what they’re doing is for the greater good, they may feel obligated to finish out their work, even at massive cost

[maiden sundial]

That or some ambiguous trail camera.

But there's probably if not DEFINITELY a lot of conspiracy theories on Æ. So they aren't believed.

[slow delta]

What are the lore implications of the global chat returning

[meager junco]

That’s a good point

[lethal moat]

Time to go leak classified documents on war thunder forums

[meager junco]

None that we know of so far

[slow delta]

I know, i was just memeing because Dondi posted random stuff in isle phase three

[lethal moat]

Mainly just people wanting something and the devs giving them the option to choose that thing

[maiden sundial]

I mean, what's more of a greater good than making humans the best they can be? Never get sick again. Live longer, live better lives.

[meager junco]

Oh I’m too used to almost any question be asked about the lore

[lethal moat]

We don’t know the end, but that’s a popular theory, just end all suffering, close Pandora’s box or whatever

[maiden sundial]

It's honestly my theory.

[meager junco]

Aka strains purpose(most likely)

[maiden sundial]

Also that 1000 life contract thing? What if that's for Gen 2?

[lethal moat]

Could be

[meager junco]

That and EIPS are probably the most up in the air things atm

[maiden sundial]

It'd make sense from the perfected human theory. And would explain why they wouldn't necessarily have to train the Gen 2.

[lethal moat]

I think it’s definitely something that could be the main thing, but it could also just as likely be something we don’t know since there are so many parts we don’t know or don’t understand

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[meager junco]

I hate to say this but-do you think it’s possible that Gen 2 is made to replace the common man at everyday jobs? We’d have to learn how intelligent they are first tho

Like AE sells you some Gen 2s and boom no more need of regular pays and workers

[lethal moat]

Entirely possible, I think we need to see more to start relying on that theory tho

[maiden sundial]

I SEVERELY doubt gen 2 is public knowledge.

They're likely island or gene mod staff. That and also are being tasked to retake the islands.

[lethal moat]

Using EIPs to get a pseudo-immortality?

[meager junco]

Rump I think you found it

[lethal moat]

Could be a possibility

[meager junco]

All that’s needed to know is EIP and how canon they are

I don’t even hate it now I just need to know

[lethal moat]

Just keep skipping through bodies, in order to pay for it they become an experiment to perfect the process

[meager junco]

Eventually leading to their goal

[lethal moat]

Can’t die of old age, and if you are in a gen 2, you don’t get sick

But you need the replicator in order to work it, which is why Gen 2 would be recapturing the island

[meager junco]

Gen 1 is disease resistant? I must’ve missed that

[lethal moat]

Gen 2, my bad, just “perfect human” and all

[meager junco]

Oh ok ok

And even then, you get sick

Game over button -restart

[lethal moat]

Mhm

It also means that all the dinosaurs could be trapped people within bodies for the past however many years

[meager junco]

We’re slowly accepting EIPs rump lol

[lethal moat]

I’m open to the possibility of the idea, not necessarily that exact thing

But EIPs would certainly help support that theory

[meager junco]

Yeh it just needs to be done right is all, like I don’t want EIPs to be something like “the richest get to be dinosaurs”

[hexed forge]

I hope dondi disproves them lmao

[lethal moat]

I’m growing to like the idea, especially if it validates my theory

[hexed forge]

[meager junco]

Same, it’s definitely not my favourite thing but it’s better to accept it if it is true then to be like “NO I WONT BELIEVE IT”

[lethal moat]

I will not be that type of person

[hexed forge]

If its true I will accept it, but if its not true/not confirmed, I will not accept it.

[lethal moat]

I’m open to the idea

[meager junco]

It’s just the more we dig, the more it seems like EIPs could be the missing key

[lethal moat]

Could be fun

[hexed forge]

Next time dondi is in chat, ask him about EIPs

[meager junco]

Also don kinda didn’t answer the other day about it-despising asking what they were

[meager junco]

We did, no answer

[hexed forge]

No, you got an answer, he did not understand what EIP meant.

[meager junco]

We explained it to him and he didn’t respond

[hexed forge]

Rumple was in the chat during that time

[lethal moat]

If they weren’t in to some capacity I feel he would have told us no

[lethal moat]

Just because the name is scrapped doesn’t mean the idea is

[hexed forge]

Im not saying that implies it being scrapped

[lethal moat]

Fair

It’s just still up in the air

[meager junco]

That’s my assumption, I think he kinda tried to avoid answering it

[acoustic osprey]

what excites me

is the possibility of the Domes (and/or Perimeter) being name-dropped in the dibble video for the AE Gateway grid

I presume it likely won't be exactly "name dropped"

especially if the domes have their own sort of code system as well?
They might be too big to be explicitly a grid name

but a possible theory is that, for example:

• The front area of Perimeter has a grid code
• But Perimeter is just "Perimeter"

same goes for the other domes

as we know the domes, atm, are just mostly just debug fun.
So they aren't anywhere near completed nor ready to be properly usable or exist- so the existence of "front opening sections" may or may not exist

HECK

I think we only know what Perimeter entrances look like? (through artworks and in-game)

like this

but not for domes
which is interesting

I do wonder what they'll look like

[lethal moat]

Dome names could be fun

[lethal moat]

Sleep deprived scientist causes the incident by accidentally pressing the wrong button and releasing gen 1

[nimble fractal]

Sounds like something I would do

[fallow harbor]

lets say the incident is something like eveyrthing running loose, why doesnt ae just kill everything on the island. what made them abandon it?

[meager junco]

Well realistically, everything escaping at the same time would cause massive chaos but even to then, the assets are probably worth millions of dollars if not more, killing it all would be a massive blow to AE

[fallow harbor]

on another topic

why would ae make juvie dino assests, wouldnt it be better to just have only adult dinos and let the adults make the baby dinos?

[lethal moat]

I had a thought: Is there an intended lesson that the isle’s story is going to teach us, or will it be up to viewer interpretation

[fallow harbor]

good point

[maiden sundial]

Militaries around the world would be confused that a gene engineering company is assembling a military force to take an island that the world assumes they still OWN btw.

[lethal moat]

We don’t know exactly why they need dinosaurs, so juveniles might be essential, especially if mutations are a part of research

[meager junco]

Don’t create dinosaurs, JP tried to warn us

[maiden sundial]

It likely wasn't the dinosaurs that caused the incident.

[fallow harbor]

prolly like a "f around and find out" lesson

or like dont bite off more then you can chew

[meager junco]

Lol ‘Twas a joke

[lethal moat]

Maybe, but it might also be a lesson in mortality, or maybe restraint

[fallow harbor]

maybe its like philisophical?

[lethal moat]

Could be

[fallow harbor]

something with playing god or having too much power

[lethal moat]

But from what we know, I think a lesson in restraint and balancing what you have with what you want could also be a lesson

[fallow harbor]

Maybe its based off a greek mythology tale about learning a lesson

I KNOW

its based off icarus

[lethal moat]

Prometheus might be a better comparison

Depends on whether or not AE succeeds

[fallow harbor]

dont fly to close to the sun (dont play with power too much) or ur wings will melt (everything will go to s***)

[fallow harbor]

but what ae was doing seems more selfish

[lethal moat]

I think that’s us more connecting what we know to Greek mythos than intentional design

And Greek mythos has a lot of applicable stories, so it’s not hard to do

[pseudo fable]

Orpheus, maybe.

[fallow harbor]

im wathcing ted talk about prometheus and i just learned that tartuourus means hell

[lethal moat]

Yep

[fallow harbor]

"Orpheus, ancient Greek legendary hero endowed with superhuman musical skills. He became the patron of a religious movement based on sacred writings said to be his own. Traditionally, Orpheus was the son of a Muse (probably Calliope, the patron of epic poetry) and Oeagrus, a king of Thrace (other versions give Apollo).26 Dec 2023
"

[lethal moat]

Well, if someone(s) had a bad start or experience and messes up trying to save it, that matches what we know so far pretty well lol

[fallow harbor]

AE, Gene company hero endowed with superhuman creation skills. they became the patron of a gene and techlogical movement based on sacred studies said to be his own. Traditionally, AE was the son of the replicator

[lethal moat]

Tried to save his wife from Hades, got too excited to early and turned back, hubris was his downfall

[fallow harbor]

idk if these are the right words to use, rumple u might be better at this

[lethal moat]

Matches up with justifying atrocities and the goals of the person in charge of AE

[lethal moat]

I think you’re getting too focused on the wrong part of that mythos

[fallow harbor]

what would be the right part?

[pseudo fable]

That's okay. You're posting key misinformation about it anyway.

[lethal moat]

Well shoot

Time to go back over all the notes then

[fallow harbor]

im not very good with greek mytho but i find it very interesting

so idk what to look for, but it is very fun to learn

[meager junco]

Don this is a bit offtopic but I was curious if sparring would be something strain apexs like H-Rex, could do when they release, example H giga fighting a H rex

[pseudo fable]

No answers for you. You knew what you were doing typing that in this channel.

[lethal moat]

The main story I know of Orpheus is when his wife died, he went to hell, convinced Hades to let her go on a few conditions, and he didn’t meet said conditions and therefore lost his wife

[fallow harbor]

so maybe they lost control of something very powerful? tried to f around to bring it back and only brought more chaos?

[maiden sundial]

Were the gen 1 involved with the...well probable rapid evacuation of gateway?

[lethal moat]

Maybe, we know that AE is no longer on the island, and that the replicator is still spitting stuff out, so that could be it

[fallow harbor]

don is also in isle discussion if u wanna ask it there

[fallow harbor]

maybe the story isnt over yet

[maiden sundial]

Well he was.

[fallow harbor]

discord lag 🔥

[lethal moat]

I feel like we’ll finish or continue on the events of the story through our actions in game

[meager junco]

I honestly asked you here cause I didn’t think it was really another devs question to answer , my bad

[fallow harbor]

like maybe we are playing during the time of when orpheus went to hell

[lethal moat]

Who knows

[pseudo fable]

Even if it's not, this isn't the room for it.

[fallow harbor]

but instead of orpheus going to hell its ae sending gen 2's to the island to reclame control

[strange shell]

Can I ask if the giant lobsters are edible ?
It's very important for my understanding of lore

[lethal moat]

That might be it, or something similar to that

[fallow harbor]

are giant lobsters cannon or were they just part of a writing exercise don did?

[maiden sundial]

I was thinking about it, and iirc some others probably are too. But there's a theory that the Gen 1 were likely responsible for the evacuation of the island.

Or at the very least, played a big part in it.

[lethal moat]

He specifically said giant crustaceans, but that was something with climate change, megaflora, and a containment leak that ended up making the crustaceans

[fallow harbor]

what about the trinity? or are they are tartous?

[lethal moat]

We don’t really know much about the trinity for Evrima, and we don’t know much about Tartarus other than employee relocation

[maiden sundial]

It could likely be a combination of factors that lead to the evacuation of the island.

[fallow harbor]

are the trinity like specifc creatures or is it what u call the strain versions of reguler people

like are there multipul collosauses

[lethal moat]

Let’s focus on the employee relocation, could that be making employees part of the experiments within Tartarus, rather than just imprisonment or a change of duties.

[lethal moat]

In legacy there were multiple reapers, but we haven’t heard anything about it other than one potential indirect reference to the echidna

[maiden sundial]

Could be.

[lethal moat]

I’d say it was a bunch of things snowballing yeah

[fallow harbor]

maybe gen 1 gained the ablity to have offspring without ae knowing and it snow balled from there. or atleast it was a major component

[lethal moat]

I don’t think it would be that, since as far as we know Gen 1 can only come from the replicator, but Gen 1 escaping or being released could be relevant

[fallow harbor]

maybe some rouge higher ups?

[lethal moat]

Sabatoge has been brought up, so that’s also got some potential

Might have been a moral issue with a change or heart, doing something out of spite, external factors, there’s a lot of reasons one could sabotage, but the extend and consequences of whatever was sabotaged is something else that may help us find out the motivation

[hexed forge]

Loreee loreee loreee, dondi was online. Anything new?

[fallow harbor]

scroll up

[hexed forge]

Damn rumple

[ruby nimbus]

we getting a video?

[proud loom]

The dinosaurs are actually sent by god to punish mankind for our sins

[hexed forge]

Yes, dondi teased it. All we know is that it includes

Diablo TCAM
And a map of gateway/grid

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-meme-reaction-emoji-nops-gif-15657180555152423963

[ruby nimbus]

Damn

that sounds sick

[proud loom]

The hypsi was made by god to spread the word of jesus through holy phlegm

[hexed forge]

Oh wait is that a middle finger or a point finger.... the emoji only has 4 fingers.. IM CONFUSED

[hexed forge]

I can find the tease for you brb

[ruby nimbus]

ty

[hexed forge]

finally found it

I wish we got another teaser

[ruby nimbus]

Looks cool

kinda hyped to see what they are cooking up

[signal wolf]

The Isle novel when?

[hexed forge]

We shall write the novel, the lore community.

[signal wolf]

We need don's approval and blessing

[lethal moat]

I need a nap

[hexed forge]

go nap, do you want me to ping you for anything? If there is a patch or smthn

Oh wait no, you already get pinged on the patches nvm

[lethal moat]

Yes, please and thank you

If we learn something new, there’s a solid new theory, or if people are acting up on the other server would be appreciated

[signal wolf]

[acoustic osprey]

https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/ca02a359d5bed98f8fac6dd42d2058a9-png.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/241374317d6a47eb742167654732b1c3-png.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401693816777867265/481233441816313895/chrome_2018-08-20_18-49-46.png?ex=65d3db11&is=65c16611&hm=e38407cc1526f8d46de784412cb35a75b9b2812f1fe1e109d7b91fa6a9232882&
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/87a29fcef30ffeab4ed6840c34396764-png.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/e088c5934109d475ea7e2eb97969a48d-png.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/ff7ee558a77b777aad0f1734271c1331-png.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/d3a734d3b419033bbe4519da7c466de0-png.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/cbf9160a5daab15b30b61bfc5be08549-png.jpg

leaving this here so I can look at it in the future

[hexed forge]

Why is there a link with each image

[acoustic osprey]

i sent it in the wrong channel
Half of what I found was from when videos and streams had actual conversations

[hexed forge]

Bruh, I thought that was a me 262

[acoustic osprey]

all images have embed links

either you post the link/address
or the image just by itself

[hexed forge]

I just sent an image and it doesnt

[acoustic osprey]

I copied the address and pasted it in

[hexed forge]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/d3a734d3b419033bbe4519da7c466de0-png.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/cbf9160a5daab15b30b61bfc5be08549-png.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/ff7ee558a77b777aad0f1734271c1331-png.jpg

only hides the address if it's a singular image

[lethal moat]

Well that’s interesting

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, a lot of old Don stream clips are gone. So a lot more artwork is lost to the void

but I managed to find some
If you notice, a lot of the current Evrima building art style existed way back in 2018

which i'm glad
What we have now is really nice

[meager junco]

What would picture 1 be?

Sort of water thing?

[acoustic osprey]

it reminds me of an industrial noah's ark

could be a boat
Similar to the rexy boat in JP2

[lethal moat]

Might be a dry dock

[meager junco]

Maybe, big freight ship for big creatures

[acoustic osprey]

could be a dry dock
but hard to pinpoint size

however, it could definitely be the hull of a transport-based ship

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[meager junco]

I’m actually realizing Isaac

Photo 1&3 are very similar

Might be an alternative version of the same thing

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah, true

photo 3 is just a bit more wide
and the walls extend outwards

[meager junco]

Yeh 1 just has those beams coming into the Center while 3 seems to have a clear floor

When I say clear floor, I mean there’s nothing coming out/in the floor like the beams are in 1

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

[lethal moat]

I don’t see Gen 1 making very complex structures, maybe adapting the interior of a base or a cave, but probably nothing substantial or free standing

[hexed forge]

I agree with this, However I also see them making a tent of some sorts.

[acoustic osprey]

it depends

I can imagine, possibly, the last Gen1s being, more or less, relatively capable

[meager junco]

I can see something like what hypsis nests are, a giant Ball made of sticks and materials in a tall tree

[lethal moat]

That could be fun

[acoustic osprey]

i believe the devs have talked about it being ewok-like for trees as a possibility (for hypsis)

[meager junco]

Hmm yeh I can see that, especially if they know how to craft

[acoustic osprey]

i could see Gen1s being similar

[meager junco]

Just not as many ramps and ways to get up

[lethal moat]

It depends on their intelligence, which is something that's really hard to measure

[meager junco]

Not as smart as humans, but we knew how to craft things at a much lower intelligence than we are at now (except me)

And I think chimps have been recorded making sticks into spears

[lethal moat]

[meager junco]

https://www.animalcognition.org/2015/11/01/spear-hunting-chimps/

[pure lodge]

However they don’t actually yeet the spear

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 should be able to fish with their’s, so I have high hopes

[meager junco]

Btw, could we consider Gen 1 primates of a sort?

[lethal moat]

“many primate characteristics represent adaptations to life in this challenging environment, including large brains, visual acuity, color vision, a shoulder girdle allowing a large degree of movement in the shoulder joint, and dexterous hands.”
I think primate adjacent might be a better term

[strange shell]

Idk what would you consider them if not primates
They have all the characteristics of one

[lethal moat]

They aren’t directly related to anything other than gen 2 as far as we know, which is why I’d qualify them as primate adjacent, have all the features, not part of the family (as far as we know)

[meager junco]

Yeh in terms of being an actual primate probably not but primate adjacent is suitable

[strange shell]

Unless they're made of plastic and don't have any DNA, they're primates
Like Gen 2 are

[lethal moat]

They don’t have any direct relatives in the family other than what we know about Gen 2, primates all have common ancestors, but Gen 1 are modeled after primates as far as we know, maybe artificial primates, if not primate adjacent

[meager junco]

I mean in the end it’s the same as the dinosaurs, not the actual thing even tho it’s based off of it, so probably primate replication is the best term or something

[lethal moat]

It has primate features but isn’t exactly a primate

[meager junco]

Don what’s your opinion?

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-snap-vanish-lost-disappear-gif-13026278

[meager junco]

He was never here lol I was hoping it would’ve summoned him

[hexed forge]

Lets do the dondi summon ritual

[lethal moat]

Why are you like this

[hexed forge]

Hm?

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

no

[hexed forge]

yes

[nimble fractal]

Lore idea:
Apollo Agriculture was trying a new compound/chemicals to boost plants growth, so it takes just a few years to grow an entire ecosystem
They take a sample of redwood earth, add chemicals, and observe a great plant and sequoias trees growth. But with that, they also notice how in some areas of the ground it was more productive growth than anywhere (or something that was abnormal in some parts of the area)
And when they dig, they see fossils, and under precise observation the DNA in the fossils repaired
That leads to creation of Apollo Engineering that continues the observation of DNA change, leading to an attempt of creating a living organism from it

[lethal moat]

Possibly, but I doubt it, we do know that growth chemical or whatever led to giant crabs, but that might be the next step who knows

[nimble fractal]

See

[lethal moat]

It’s not actual dinosaurs tho

[nimble fractal]

At times I fear that a person who will predict/figure out the entire The Isle lore will be muted and his message deleted before it will get for us to read

[lethal moat]

I doubt that, unless it was like a development leak or something

It’s more likely it just wouldn’t be confirmed

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[nimble fractal]

Means all unconfirmed lore is true

[acoustic osprey]

all unconfirmed lore is in your head till it's official

[lethal moat]

Depends on what branch of philosophy you believe in, but yes

[acoustic osprey]

but someone figuring out the entire The Isle lore
is like giving a type writer to a monkey

[lethal moat]

I try very hard not to get attached to my theories

[acoustic osprey]

this monkey might write a few words (get a bit of lore right)

but the whole lore? That'll take that monkey many many years

[nimble fractal]

I believe in troodon supremacy

[acoustic osprey]

sure we've had a few good years to get The Isle lore (evrima) right.
But, things have changed, even in the past 4 years, for what's canon turning into not canon

[lethal moat]

[nimble fractal]

You better delete that right now before I commit heinous acts

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story3-baby-lotso-no-gif-15851878

[lethal moat]

[nimble fractal]

Have we ever seen birds in The Isle?

[lethal moat]

Nu

[nimble fractal]

Hear me out
Drones.

[lethal moat]

Drone quetz

[hexed forge]

@lethal moat What did you do, why is everyone freaking out in lorecord

[lethal moat]

I genuinely have no clue

[nimble fractal]

You think what are those field observations are?
Nothing else like spying drones disguised in birds
Else how would you get quickly to the point where observation takes place? To capture all these cerato and dibble abnormal behavior?

[hexed forge]

Lmao, they are going insane or smthn

[lethal moat]

I mean we know about handhelds and trail cameras and security cameras for all the ones so far

[hexed forge]

Dondi did say

"Birds arent real"

I think its better to stay here guys lmao, dont go to lorecord, they are going insane. Come back saranova!!

[nimble fractal]

Im being brought to Tartarus again

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-stay-right-where-you-are-senator-cartwright-lamarr-mulligan-stay-put-dont-move-gif-11492807964778165550

[acoustic osprey]

By having a "real" creature to act as your drone

the animals are not disturbed in their natural habitats

[signal wolf]

I’m here now

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't be surprised if we'll be getting something like a Drone Quetz observation camera soon

If such will exist as a "drone"

[signal wolf]

Praise Saranova for escaping Tartarus

[nimble fractal]

See
Thats what Im about

[lethal moat]

Mhm, just circling above the herd of dibbles in defensive formation against a raptor pack

That could be fun

[nimble fractal]

Dibble trail cam.

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, Dibble trail cam could have such

but we might just get boring static actual trail cams!!!

like of old

[nimble fractal]

I have some internal fear of hearing about Robo Quetz

[lethal moat]

Well, observation and trail cam probably aren’t always synonymous

[nimble fractal]

[acoustic osprey]

trail is goood for observation though. No?

but i know Trail =/= observation

Trail can be part of the observation
heck, it could be a first-person type of video

like the old Pachy video

[lethal moat]

It works, but it’s not precise, hypo/hyper situation

[acoustic osprey]

well, they're antonyms

[lethal moat]

But in how it’s used

[acoustic osprey]

trail -> observation
Observation =/= trail

[lethal moat]

Right

[acoustic osprey]

watching -> observation
Observation = Watching

Observation is definitely an umbrella for many things

the dibble video could definitely be done in a lot of ways

[signal wolf]

Yes

Wall incoming?

[nimble fractal]

Law incoming

[acoustic osprey]

i.e.

• Dibbles being observed near sites/facilities more (therefore, we get a lot of CCTV footage)
• Dibbles being observed in a field, maybe they are sick? maybe they are attacking each other? (possibly reported by a ranger/scientist handheld-style)
• Dibbles being observed through specific field cameras
  - these field cams might've been placed and have specific lures to see how animal behaviour changes when in a different environment, etc etc

[hexed forge]

My brown overloaded with the amount of symbols

[signal wolf]

I’m sorry what

[hexed forge]

What the hell does this mean

[lethal moat]

Not equal to

[hexed forge]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-trapped-trap-funny-villain-gif-4559766

[icy onyx]

Call me stupid but I feel like the current story in evrima takes place before strains like neuros, hypers and tissos because everything seems so like experimental like they don't know too much about strains yet, y'know?

[acoustic osprey]

no

strains exist.
We'll see more, hopefully, on when they show off the vat models

[patent ginkgo]

It’s actually post-incident, so they’ve already made strains, but their understanding of them doesn’t have to be extreme

[icy onyx]

I figured, I was just throwing things around because I was bored.

[acoustic osprey]

quite fair

[icy onyx]

What's is the fabled incident?

[acoustic osprey]

problem with the right now, for lore in-game in the isle, is that anything can be up in the air.
But Don has confirmed strains exist.

Whether or not they are a "right now thing" or a "in the past thing" is the biggest thing about it

[patent ginkgo]

The thing that happened to push AE off the island

[acoustic osprey]

not much to talk upon at the moment
it's a presumed large incident that resulted in the desertion of Apollo Engineering on Gateway and other islands

at the moment, it's hypothetically but can be observed (through in-game aspects and concept art)

[icy onyx]

If they're in the past do you think maybe by now they've made something better than just the normal three strains? Maybe something to do with the matriarch? (Given the matriarch is still a thing lol)

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

(although yeah, Matriarch is still confirmed)

it could be possible AE continued development after "the incident"
but, who knows up to this point

[icy onyx]

They forgot the Wi-Fi password and had to reboot it off island, duh😒

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-trapped-trap-funny-villain-gif-4559766

[patent ginkgo]

lol

[icy onyx]

Well I mean they have to still be in contact and still doing things with the island even if they're not on it because in AUGUSTUS they checked cams and stuff

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know when Augustus happened

possibly occurred in "pre-incident" times

[icy onyx]

I still find it funny that they moved one messily herra because it decided to do a little climby climb

[acoustic osprey]

however, there is a separate theory I've had
about two incidents

hence the reasoning for a mixture of latin and greek names

[icy onyx]

True true and it could be before because I'm pretty sure it's hinted even if it's blurred out that the thing that scared off the first dino was a person

[icy onyx]

Let me hear em

[acoustic osprey]

are you referring to Shirley? That was a rex

[icy onyx]

Why they give it a basic human name? Is that like a running joke or?

[acoustic osprey]

it's something Don has wanted to call a Rex for many years now apparently

I've known it for a few years now?
but it was properly confirmed in the Augustus video, which was nice

[acoustic osprey]

I'll see if I can find it
it's not that big though

[icy onyx]

Lol that's perfect

[icy onyx]

You do that

[acoustic osprey]

hand in hand with my "Greek vs Latin" theory
where, possibly, there might've been two incidents?
before the first incident,
they would've used Greek

After the first incident/before the 2nd incident
they used Latin

i.e. Augustus
or even Mercury Beneficial
why not just use Hermes? -> Hermes Beneficial
or instead of Augustus, have Sebastos

[icy onyx]

Fr

That actually makes so much sense but why did they do it?

[acoustic osprey]

it's small, but it's noticeable (some latin words)

[acoustic osprey]

using latin words? Who knows

[icy onyx]

No like why a sudden change? Did they like lock in or something?

[acoustic osprey]

about which thing, sorry?

[icy onyx]

Why did they suddenly switch from greek to latin? Is that like something people usually do?

[lethal moat]

We don't really know

[acoustic osprey]

Oh, who knows though.
We have no idea on the timeline of them using either.

The latin x greek theory is a theory, i guess, for trying to see why they would
in which, makes me to believe why there could be two incidents

also dirt prints still existing in the island

but that could be removed

[icy onyx]

What's that?

[acoustic osprey]

the dirt prints?

sorry, foot prints in dirt.

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/lurk-peek-sneak-george-clooney-gif-17585314

[lethal moat]

Back to your hole

[acoustic osprey]

AWAY MR CLOONEY

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/otgw-over-the-garden-wall-the-beast-beast-darkness-gif-26014275

[lethal moat]

Yep

[nimble fractal]

What sounds better
MERCURY, or hermes just some market guy
AUGUSTUS, or sebastos like that one crab in princess movies

[lethal moat]

Mercury Beneficial the Apollo company?

[nimble fractal]

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on personal experience
Because the Roman Empire was big and Latin is a large part of the English language and many other languages

Augustus is a bigger and scarier word from such bias

Mercury vs Hermes though? Same thing

[lethal moat]

If Tisso’s whole thing is regeneration, then quills make sense for them, since hair is one of the fastest growing body parts

Also nails, so talons might need maintenance or something similar like how beavers need to chew to prevent their teeth from over growing

[nimble fractal]

So a claw care that was in the Sucho (?) Concept art might be used for that

👀

[lethal moat]

Potentially, but I’m thinking to a more extreme degree, since that maintenance stuff is already planned iirc, probably as lifestyle mutations

[nimble fractal]

I still keep the idea that maxing the mutations that the strain possibly has will lead it to both stat wise/abilities change and we slowly will turn into a momster haunting the island by our own
😩

But how that fits to the main idea of strains being created by humans Im not sure

[lethal moat]

I think mutations might lead to strains, but I’m also not sure it’s a direct line form mutations to strains

[nimble fractal]

Thats what I said

Same

[lethal moat]

I’m tired, I’m sorry

[nimble fractal]

No forgiveness in the lorecord
Only Tartar steak

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1198113650024656937/vJuLlbrg.gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1198113650024656937/vJuLlbrg.gif?ex=65d968ca&is=65c6f3ca&hm=be76da4e91afd62dfe397d962a7372634515caef8a2c67d1bcada90102463658&

[lethal moat]

Thanks

[acoustic osprey]

Exactly

[fallow harbor]

okay so we know hyper herbies prolly wont come to the game as it would be hard to balance them

as they are plant eaters so they cant really run out of food

but did hyper herbies exist in lore?

[strange shell]

I don't think so

[shell echo]

Simple fix. Turn them into carnivores

[fallow harbor]

thats what proposed. kinda like pachy from pce

[meager junco]

No all strain herbis were unofficial concept arts.

[fallow harbor]

i know but did any devs say they are never going to be cannon?

[meager junco]

It was never planned

[fallow harbor]

is there a lore reason ae never did any strain herbies

[meager junco]

We don’t even know why they did carnis really lol

[hexed forge]

All a mystery, but all we know is that they were never planned.

It might've been that they did carnivores because carnivores were more smart and strong I guess? Not saying that some herbis are weak and dumb tho..

[tribal bobcat]

Acro is the mystery dino..

[lethal moat]

Wrong channel

[tribal bobcat]

?

[lethal moat]

Tis not lore

[nimble fractal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1198113650024656937/vJuLlbrg.gif?ex=65d968ca&is=65c6f3ca&hm=be76da4e91afd62dfe397d962a7372634515caef8a2c67d1bcada90102463658&=

[tribal bobcat]

Oh.. But i can say what my visions are here too lol

[tribal bobcat]

What's tartarus?

[nimble fractal]

[pseudo fable]

Originally there was. Now there isn't much to support that they do not/could not exist.

[fallow harbor]

so its just kinda "then didnt bother" type situation? (if i interpreted ur message right)

[hexed forge]

So could this mean that there is a Chance That strain herbis might come ?

[fallow harbor]

not come but there is a chance they might be cannon

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[fallow harbor]

i would like strain herbies

[patent ginkgo]

i suppose it all comes back to the true intention behind strains

[fallow harbor]

i think don has left chat and joined the troodon army on eu lol

[patent ginkgo]

probably

[fallow harbor]

imagine if the replicator is a cyborg of a tisso and an advanced ai system

[patent ginkgo]

i thought it was confirmed to just be an AI

[fallow harbor]

when?

[patent ginkgo]

idk, just remember being told/shown that

[nimble fractal]

Neuro then

[fallow harbor]

thats what i ment

i get them confused a lot

because cant neuros change the weather or something

they seem more then smart, they are basically wizzards

[patent ginkgo]

i dont think weather control was reconfirmed

and iirc that was only for neuro spino

but im not an expert on legacy lore

[fallow harbor]

me neither

[lethal moat]

We have very little of evrima confirmed for neuros, it's mosly stuff from legacy

We also know this about the only thing we have for the replicator: #isle-lore-theories message

https://tenor.com/view/rcu-gif-20816313

[patent ginkgo]

virus

[lethal moat]

I will report you to AE for not using the wii wrist strap

[patent ginkgo]

wah oh

[maiden sundial]

My friend and I played without using the wii wrist strap today

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rpcs3-jenci-jail-monopoly-gif-24804318

[maiden sundial]

No.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/rpcs3-jenci-jail-monopoly-gif-24804318

[lethal moat]

Thanks

[hexed forge]

I would love a confirmation on gateways location

[lethal moat]

Earth (optional)

[hexed forge]

I would like something more specific

I just need a yes or no if gateway is located in Southeast asia/oceania/east asia

[alpine lynx]

i got these questions stuck in my mind,
how and why did they take dinosaurs to the island? if humans did, where are they? what happend to the humans? what is the purpose of strains? did dinosaurs existed before AE? did AE somehow made dinosaurs alive again?

[lethal moat]

Dinosaurs were made on the island, humans left the island a few decades ago, AE made the dinosaurs, and they technically aren't dinosaurs

[alpine lynx]

why did they left the island?

[lethal moat]

They were likely forced out, gen 1 revolt is the most popular theory atm I believe

[snow jasper]

I put them there

[alpine lynx]

does “governmet” on the universe know the “dinosaurs” in the island?

[lethal moat]

Good question, we know dinosaurs are secret, and AE is international, I would say there’s a solid chance that AE has the replicator and dinosaurs hidden from a majority of the world, including most if not all of governments

[alpine lynx]

the “dinosaurs” are able to breed right?

[lethal moat]

Yep, and AE knew about it before the island fell

[alpine lynx]

so if somehow “dinosaurs” reproduce and leave the island somehow to the main continents

isn’t thats a threat to the people?

[lethal moat]

We asked that, and apparently there is no reason for the dinosaurs to leave the island or they may be unable to

[young oriole]

that blasted barrier, it just stops us right in our tracks

[alpine lynx]

theres strains in it, which is pretty dangerous to the other speciements

[lethal moat]

That has zero lore relevance

[lethal moat]

We don’t know a ton about strains in Evrima, but it’s safe to say they’re very rare

[meager junco]

It is quite interesting how Apollo or rather Apollo engineering,
Seems interested in seeing the animals in their natural habitats and acting as regular animals, instead of just keeping them locked up and tested on nonstop

[limber parrot]

the only things that theoretically could leave are Deino, Ptera and Quetz, tbh. and with all the storms running rampant on a tropical island that almost entirely denies the flyers anyway

[alpine lynx]

can strains reproduce?

[lethal moat]

We don’t know, but I don’t think so personally

Hyper likely wouldn’t be able to due to behavioral traits, neuro is unlovable and tisso is to pokey

[limber parrot]

even if they could, it would be like breeding a chihuahua and a great dane, nothing with great survivability would come out of that

[meager junco]

Neuro really is unlovable looking at lorecord neuro

[limber parrot]

rumple, back me up here, tf is lorecord neuro

[lethal moat]

HA

[alpine lynx]

is colossus still cannon?