isle-lore-theories

[meager junco]

You’re gonna make me go through all the Lorem Ipsium documents again

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

I want access to the files in the folders on shelves, which also have lore ipsium on them, they aren’t just blank, so I’m betting we’ll be getting access to those too

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/really-again-game-of-thrones-ned-stark-weary-broken-gif-14687533

[dull warren]

So this may not be lore per se but it can tie in maybe

The Gen 2 humans or whichever ones the ‘cannibals’ are. How will they work? I theorize maybe they spawn in the domes and are very much nocturnal. Those black tunnels we can’t go in could be how they go throughout the map. This is a prelude to my theories on the human element of the Isle but I really would like to know how these weird things will function without just breaking the vibe of the game.

[steel summit]

gen 2 are the normal humans, gen 1 are the "cannibals", we dont know how they will work but your theory is good, also those black tunnels are theorized to be part of GUTS (General Underground Transportation System)

we also know gen 1 will have third person camera, and they will be very good climbers

[dull warren]

Gen 1s are the tribals? Or was that concept art unofficial?

Gen 2s my bad

[steel summit]

gen 2 are humans

gen 2 are "normal humans"

[patent ginkgo]

Tribals aren’t really a thing anymore

[dull warren]

Ah ok that’s understandable but also a shame cause if they were I had a theory that the tribal humans were cloned just like the dinosaurs but since the island is all they knew that would explain the tribalistic behavior

[low scarab]

That’s what I was going to say lol

[low scarab]

Technically they aren’t normal they are “perfect”

[patent ginkgo]

the dinos aren’t cloned either

[steel summit]

and you could also say technically they arent human as well, but then we get into the philosophical question "what is human"

[steel summit]

we dont know how they here, but i guess Replicated is the best word for it

[dull warren]

Man this is some good stuff we’re just frothing at the mouth for answers to lol

What was AE even trying to do you reckon? Weren’t they a pharmaceutical company or agricultural?

[steel summit]

we dont exactly know what Apollo (and Æ) are trying to do, but if i remember correctly dondi has said something about "it all ends in dinosaurs" or something like that

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals are still Gen1s

there is an incorrect stereotype about Tribals
that Tribals were "native (akin to Indian Americans or Aboriginals) humans"

but that was truly only for a very very very raw placeholder demo for the dev mode in legacy

which was never going to be the final model nor anywhere close

Gen1s are still Tribal in nature, in Evrima.
They praise their own deity, The Replicator

Are as monstrous as their actual Legacy counterparts

and are likely quite not "typical" sane

Gen2s are basically the more humane version of Gen1s, at least in lore.
Actually looks like a human- however, Greek God Physique

And likely are much more conscious

[acoustic osprey]

However, with AE/Apollo
we know their roots were in botany
and grew to food (Agriculture)

Quickly, Dinosaurs were churned out. They, apparently, were necessary (but they aren't used for food) but unfortunate

however, Apollo has a lot of subsidiaries
This includes "Apollo Pharmaceuticals North", "Apollo Red" and "Mercury Beneficial"

a few very others which aren't named yet

[dull warren]

Wait so the monstrous looking things are the tribal ones?

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[dull warren]

THAT’S AWESOME

[acoustic osprey]

These are the tribals
revamped with a new name, Gen1s

[dull warren]

That’s like some Lost World or The Forest stuff

Omg I thought those were just beasts

[dull warren]

So the Gen2s could have been ‘born’ on the Island too? Or are they from the outside?

[patent ginkgo]

Iirc they’re from outside

[acoustic osprey]

No confirmation as of yet, but it's presumed outside

still from AE
but not from Gateway

[dull warren]

Ok so mercenaries or employees would make sense

[dull warren]

Where was this discovered?

[acoustic osprey]

No mercenaries anymore

they are replaced by Generation Two

[acoustic osprey]

Over a few years of dripfed content

[dull warren]

Man this is so enlightening
I’ve been following the game as best I can but am new to the community. Thank you, this has me looking forward to the Gen 1s

Before I was skeptical

Thank you

[honest stream]

Yo what’s a good spawn for herrera

Ops

[patent ginkgo]

H4

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-javi-gutierrez-pedro-pascal-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-happy-gif-25135496

[dull warren]

XD

[meager junco]

Would you like an invite to the lore server?

[dull warren]

I got asked last week and turned it down so
Yes lol

[dull warren]

I keep to my theory that they are mainly nocturnal, reside within the domes, and use those tunnels we see to get around

[lethal moat]

We’ve been told they are really good climbers

[dull warren]

I mean makes sense

[lethal moat]

Did shadow already invite you?

[dull warren]

Nope

[lethal moat]

Check DMs

[dull warren]

thank you

[meager junco]

Strange it says sent in DMs

[lethal moat]

Weird

[lone hill]

What is the basic premise for the lore? I haven’t really gotten much into it but it seems rather interesting

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[lone hill]

Thanks (:

[lethal moat]

Mhm, we also have a server if you’re interested

[sour rivet]

You would make a great salesperson

[low scarab]

guys

I have an idea.

[lethal moat]

Spill the beans

[median shuttle]

I could never

[low scarab]

Ight

So you know on the ae loading screen

How the logo is made up of dna and rna sequences

Like taa ata or for rna uag and stuff

back in like high school biology we were taught how to decode those

What if ok whaaaat iffff

(I’m not mentally unstable) and these dna and mrna codes spell something or tell us something if we decoded them

Maybe juuuuust maybe

[lethal moat]

I’m reasonably confident that it’s already been done, let’s ask Isaac, he probably knows, or check Hellshade’s doc

[meager junco]

Yeh I remember someone mentioning decoding something but I forget what it was

[lethal moat]

Yeah, hellshade’s doc has a bunch of stuff on various morse code binary code etc

[low scarab]

I havent read anything in there regarding decoding the dna and rna sequences though ive seen the binary and morse code stuff

This is what I’m taking abt

[lethal moat]

As fun of a project as that sounds, I am at work rn

[low scarab]

rip ill look into it

[meager junco]

Jesus-yeh you take over this one Vrap LOL

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/lore-game-gif-1488407205528895054

[sonic rampart]

If you want to be thorough... you'd have to read it in 3 frames in both directions (l>r and r>l). Though if it's an actual sequence and not just random gattaca then just try left to right in the order you see it

[lethal moat]

We have a new patch to scour the island for anything new as well

[low scarab]

And the sequencing begins..

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/471510909098000386/loading_screen_forever.jpg?ex=65b07c40&is=659e0740&hm=812f53232d4b01529af02b713af79b8bc3659a47d2525466775aeeeeba83618b&

same as this, but blue. Yeah?

[lethal moat]

Bum bum bum

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-iron-man-gif-17762993

[patent ginkgo]

It’s gonna be chicken dna isn’t it

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/526606365519773716/unknown.png?ex=65ade4e5&is=659b6fe5&hm=3d78188a306b158d75be43e5f1efd0e04c299844d54145b4a0909c5ce6550829&
death screen

[low scarab]

No no this is on the evrima launch logo and at the top it’s a line of dna and or rna sequences

Bad image but it’s the string and letters across the top

[acoustic osprey]

ah yeah, same image then

just the blue variant

there are words inside the logo's DNA/RNA

Along the lines of
WHY NO REAL APOLLO FAKE SEEK PERFECT ACTION ONELDANS IMPOSSIBLE DREAM NOW SICK JOKE DYING FOREVER

[low scarab]

Oh your right I didn’t see it I was looking at the highlighted part oops

[low scarab]

But yes I’ve seen this I was just curious if there was code in the actual dna and rna

[meager junco]

That’s what it translates to? Or

Is that a rough estimate of what it says

[lethal moat]

Those are the words hidden in the dna, but not the decoded dna

[low scarab]

And btw I went through and decoded a couple chunks of those dna sequences and found nothing

[lethal moat]

Damn

[acoustic osprey]

Some cool old Legacy Lore I have found.

"In the flashpoint, all the ripples converge. The purpose of chaos will show itself. You will know why your death is necessary"

EIP:
An incomplete profile (Player) who shows potential for completion,capable of learning from mistakes and improving,gaining experience.

NEIP - Non - Embryo intelligence Profile:
An incomplete profile unable to complete itself,incapable of learning from mistakes or improving.

NEIP's can be seen as irrational,feral.
Meanwhile,EIP's are the opposite,rational,conscious
I completely skipped the part about NEIPs these past few years 😊

the old "Cannibals" name, AE shortens their name to NHS, in the same way they shorten pachycephalosaurus down to PCH.

This is in reference to an Olympus Transmitter tweet

Search Query: AE System Directory Site I-04/AE-012

Ident. AE-012.NHS Batch 12.

Released July 23rd, 2018.

Replicate. https://t.co/IfNeR7PMJV

What's interesting, is that there was morse code for Gateway:

"Gateway Status Check Error"

People thought thought, through the Tweet, that the image of the Cannibal (Eyeless) was destroying some machinery, which would've explained why there was an error in Gateway

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/471236737343946758/image.png?ex=65af7ce9&is=659d07e9&hm=6f2a19a6d1d8b5c99e075ec5ad7f6a793243fdaf6e07c080ab7f2a1676d20fe6&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/471533531856633866/5294B03F5A28D00E542055B40F8FB43143D0A8EB.png?ex=65b09152&is=659e1c52&hm=3b2d5f21007906690afe0f3a9e9b919093b1db346ad8b176dbd65a7ccdf3ad03&

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, went through a few hundred messages about such.
It's mostly just random jargon

I think, mostly, to hide the words hidden within

[acoustic osprey]

What Rump said

[acoustic osprey]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/376210/discussions/14/2659870916599696913/
also this

[lethal moat]

Ew EIPs

[acoustic osprey]

EIPs 👍 😊

[lethal moat]

[low scarab]

That’s my thought I doubt don would go through the effort to make meaning out of all those anyway

[low scarab]

Rip legacy lore

And rip to the dude who typed that out

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[low scarab]

So remember back in the legacy days

Something called the chance reference was discussed what was that about

I remember don saying you have a lot of ground work to do and what not but what even is the chance reference

[acoustic osprey]

just referring to Dr Chance

[low scarab]

Ahh ok ok I remember

We don’t know really anything about the specific people do we

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, not much

[acoustic osprey]

https://icebergcharts.com/i/The_Isle_Lore_Legacy__Evrima/image

[patent ginkgo]

Lore

[acoustic osprey]

Alright, this should be a better improved version of the more "COMPLETE" isle lore iceberg

There's still a few I'm missing
and likely a few I've forgotten

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sacred-text-star-wars-luke-yoda-gif-16551138

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-my-stick-star-wars-mandalorian-gif-15938759

[patent ginkgo]

Needs megaflora

Vendo typing up a storm here

[acoustic osprey]

literally lol

[acoustic osprey]

ah forgot, only put down the funny crabs

[patent ginkgo]

Yum

[acoustic osprey]

thank you

[lethal moat]

Krab

[vernal spade]

Whatever's going on here doesn't seem limited to the island (islands?). Like obviously the game is incomplete, but the concept of Tribal humans being added later seems to suggest the island is completely cut off from the rest of the world, which would suggest in my mind a global calamity of some kind.

So all of society goes tits up (solar flare? WWIII? Genetic engineering gone horribly wrong?) Eventually there's an outbreak on the island as evidenced by the holes in fences and open gates, but since it's an island it's all contained. Though viruses could spread off-island, I suppose. Since no one is maintaining the island/can't get resources/backup to contain the dinos in their designated areas, whatever humans that were there were forced to survive in the wild and forage/hunt for food. After a few years/decades of that, they become the Tribals...

[acoustic osprey]

it was Megaflora in the oceans, right?

[patent ginkgo]

Yes, marine megaflora

[acoustic osprey]

it's more so that Tribals (Gen1s) were made not too late- more so during their (Apollo / Apollo Engineering's) peak

[patent ginkgo]

Unfortunately “tribals” don’t quite exist anymore

[vernal spade]

Yeah just going thru this thread for the first time...more than likely y'all have figured this out way more than what I've said and I just need to catch up lol

[acoustic osprey]

Gen2s were, though, presumed to be "after" whatever happened (nicknamed, The Incident)

[patent ginkgo]

As they aren’t really anywhere near humans

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-good-gif-18339262

[patent ginkgo]

NOOOO

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals are still Gen1s

it's just a nickname
they're are still akin to their legacy counterparts

but people mistake Tribals for the stereotypical "Tribal people"

[patent ginkgo]

But accurate name!!!

[acoustic osprey]

these nerds

but they're more so these people @vernal spade

[lethal moat]

Educate the man and give him a server invite

[patent ginkgo]

Have you looked at the pinned docs?

[acoustic osprey]

they were posted, better, in #isle-phase-three

no wait, a devblog

[vernal spade]

Woah. So like...human/dino hybrid people? Okay so def genetic engineering gone wrong it seems

[vernal spade]

Nope I have not. Will go through those

[acoustic osprey]

More so monstrous humans by nature
we're unsure if they're hybrids, but more so synthetically made creatures with attributes of being humanoid with a few less humanoid additions/aspects

[acoustic osprey]

I definitely would only recommend the first for a better understanding of current lore

[lethal moat]

Indoctrinate the new person

[acoustic osprey]

if you want, go through the other two later.
But, especially HellShades', is more a library of information

HellShades' having a lot of Legacy lore

[vernal spade]

"One of us...one of us..."

[vernal spade]

Got it. Appreciate it 👍

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-davy-gif-27098006

[acoustic osprey]

no worries, have fun

we're here to answer any questions you have

[lethal moat]

Pretty much

[patent ginkgo]

Also if you want an invite to the lore server once you’ve gotten a better understanding of the lore, feel free to ask for one!

[acoustic osprey]

Also Rump, does it seem like I've missed anything on the iceberg at first glance?

[lethal moat]

I’ll take a closer look in a few hours

[patent ginkgo]

So, could the checkpoints referenced in here be referring to places on gateway like i12, k15, h4, etc?

[lethal moat]

Or it could be places within the GUTS tunnel, like that one train station looking thing at that swamp tunnel

[patent ginkgo]

Hmm true

Or both

[acoustic osprey]

Either checkpoints within GUTS
but could be the outposts

[lethal moat]

Looks good to me

[acoustic osprey]

if they are the outposts
You wouldn't define "Outposts" as checkpoints, more or less

As the Outposts would work as checkpoints

but not explicitly just as checkpoints

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah true

[acoustic osprey]

if that makes sense

[lethal moat]

I’d say it’s areas within the GUTS tunnels, maybe places that can be sealed, like doors, or just places to rest, like inside the swamp tunnel

[patent ginkgo]

Evidently there’s some good security for GUTS, not that I’m surprised

[acoustic osprey]

but upon review, there is only one reference to checkpoints
so it's a bit painful

[lethal moat]

When we do the lore tea party we need to over-examine the tunnel to swamp

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, I can imagine little brief checkpoint sections in GUTS
We know this basically exists anyways, with the swamp tunnel- yeah

And Vis talking about such

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-the-boys-smile-gif-18692019

[lethal moat]

Miles of darkness without refuge when against things that can see better in the dark isn’t a safe combination

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[patent ginkgo]

Per the map, do we think that you have to go through Olympus central control to get to the entries?

[lethal moat]

If so, that lends more credibility to it being a guide to Perimiter rather than the whole island, unless Olympus central control is at the dockyard

[acoustic osprey]

i think it works vice versa

[acoustic osprey]

Interesting, what's the difference between a hardpoint and checkpoint?

And why was it re-established? Is that where (whatever Hardpoint it is referring to) where the sweep teams come from?

as in, they came (re-established their post, the hardpoint) back on "X" date

[patent ginkgo]

I always assumed it was either a line of communication or a system of order perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

just seems weird

if you use the dates hidden in the image
it took a day for such

but, even then, if it was such (a line of communication ...) why did that happen?

[patent ginkgo]

Apparently it’s a term in air force stuff

[acoustic osprey]

an attachment location on a structural frame designed to transfer force and carry an external or internal load.

Hmm

it's also a CoD thing as well

[patent ginkgo]

From the plane thing, sounds like it could be
A) a method of aggression
B) a way to strike/venture out from somewhere (like a designated team)

[acoustic osprey]

I think it's some sort of lingo that is synonymous with a checkpoint
But unlike a checkpoint, IF it's connected to the Sweep teams vs Checkpoint teams, it might just likely be less concrete in position- where a checkpoint might be something like an pre-existing base/outpost
Where a hardpoint is a quickly set-up area for AE to setup quick and ready sweep teams for any events that may occur
i.e. ERRANT-291

B) a way to strike/venture out from somewhere (like a designated team)

It's likely a mixture of what I said above and this

[lethal moat]

Hard points are generally something that helps redirect or funnel some sort of data

[patent ginkgo]

It’s good to remember as well, that it was “re-established”, implying it was established previously, but then broken as a result or part of the 291 incident

And also is clearly the norm

[acoustic osprey]

that's why I'm presuming it was the post for the Sweep teams involved

and after all was wrapped up, and day broke again the next day
they were ordered to resettle back

such seems possibly likely
we can talk more about it on the podcast especially

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah a search team ready for such incidents seems likely to have in any case

AE ain’t stingy on the security

[lethal moat]

I’d love to see the incident report for when they learned not to trust anything that talks and doesn’t echo

[acoustic osprey]

they seem a lot more structural and orderly, than legacy AE

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[lethal moat]

How many mistakes were made to get to where they are in terms of security?

[patent ginkgo]

And why were those mistakes even possible to begin with

[lethal moat]

I imagine containing neuros is a pain

[patent ginkgo]

It always comes back to why dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

Controlling the one we have certainly is

[patent ginkgo]

[rapid chasm]

dude on the right is a PMC contractor for mosaic, protects researchers against polar bears, AE's security on-island probably looked like him; expect in a, suiting fashion

[patent ginkgo]

Hmm

[rapid chasm]

by suiting fashion i mean, shorts and a tee

[patent ginkgo]

Good to know, didn’t even think that kinda job existed in real life

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't be too against sweep teams holding arms and looking like such, without the cold weather attire

something that protects both asset and employee

[patent ginkgo]

Barnum brown

[rapid chasm]

Its a security contractor, he isnt aligned, hes just there for the money

[rapid chasm]

I wouldnt say a sweep team, i would say more of a safety team, protecting human assets and dinosaur assets

[acoustic osprey]

i suppose it depends on what Apollo needs and lacks

[rapid chasm]

hes apart of the Alfred-Wegener-Institut

its a limited contract id assume

actually scratch that

i think he is a police officer from bremen germany, who had also done the polar safety course, explaining his gear (helmet, nvg, sr16 rifle, etc)

[lethal moat]

I imagine AE hired their own people rather than a separate PMC, but it’s still a good comparison, we know helmets with mounts for goggles or cameras will be a thing

[patent ginkgo]

AE would have had to have they’re own people for security of info reasons

Unless the dinos are part of the 90%

[acoustic osprey]

yeah that's what I'm thinking

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say it leans towards this

We just need to learn of the specifics of Apollo within

[patent ginkgo]

That they have their own guys? Or that the dinos are part of the 90%?

[lethal moat]

I feel it was pretty implied the dinos are part of that 10%

[patent ginkgo]

Nuh uh!

Hacker come back

[lethal moat]

Guys this Errant 291 episode is going to be like 2 hours long

Which isn’t bad

There’s just a lot to cover

[patent ginkgo]

I’m excited to listen to it

Also

[acoustic osprey]

their own guys (AE)

[patent ginkgo]

Why specifically the jungle

[patent ginkgo]

👍

[acoustic osprey]

which jungle?

ohh

[patent ginkgo]

THE jungle

The one with PLANTS

[acoustic osprey]

questions

[lethal moat]

Presumably because you can’t see what’s making the noise

[patent ginkgo]

My thought as well

But also: less light

Also, theres ten total species of plants in the jungles of gateway

One of which is unidentified

So we know nine of them

[lethal moat]

Nice

[lethal moat]

The day we get either strain plants or botany r/d is the day Jolly dies of happiness

[patent ginkgo]

Yes

[ionic sable]

I don't really have anything to add to the conversation.

[lethal moat]

The rest of the lore team will be in Tartarus fighting a monster designed to kill god himself and Jolly will be lovingly watering a Venus flytrap the size of a car

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987787300090044426/1017533795597041785/caption-2-1.gif

[patent ginkgo]

I certainly would

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/god-giveth-god-giveth-byeah-gta4-gif-16517541478194434136

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/god-giveth-god-giveth-byeah-gta4-gif-16517541478194434136

IM LATE

[lethal moat]

Thank you Shadow

[meager junco]

As always

[rapid chasm]

I enver said that they would hire a PMC

they would make their own PMC,

[umbral patrol]

2 hour lore video? Sign me up

Gib all the lores

[low scarab]

💀

[lethal moat]

Just the podcast thing, we’re planning on recording January 15, if weather lets me get back by then

[umbral patrol]

What channel on YT is it gonna be on

I need to sub

[patent ginkgo]

It’ll be on Spotify

[umbral patrol]

:squints:

[lethal moat]

I’m gonna get some stuff over onto YouTube as well, eventually

[umbral patrol]

Where on Spotify is this podcast ? Name?

[lethal moat]

https://open.spotify.com/show/4nkw9nPzbZDfhb0k4LL8F3?si=gLN5RqxOQca2WbXkEuzJ4w

[umbral patrol]

Sweet

[dapper cedar]

i eat you for breakfast

[patent ginkgo]

No

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

New discussion: AE’s reaction during the incident/the fall, whatever, did they evacuate, or did they let it happen to avoid any backlash or word of the failure from escaping

[patent ginkgo]

A partial evacuation is likely imo

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't really refer to such as The Fall

implies AE fell itself

[lethal moat]

Fair

[acoustic osprey]

not that it isn't a fall of the island itself

[patent ginkgo]

The unoperationing

[lethal moat]

The release

[meager junco]

I like to think what Isaac has said and that they were kinda quiet upon evacuation, not trying to alert the animals and possible escaped strains or monstrosities

[lethal moat]

My main thing is it looks extremely rushed, so I think it’s something everywhere at once

[meager junco]

That’s also another question I always wonder, if the incident was instant(something like a few days) or was it something that escalated over a few years, meaning some bases might’ve been abandoned earlier than others, possibly years before

[lethal moat]

Doors are open and papers are everywhere and desks are flipped and whatnot, I’m betting something big happened, and there was little warning before the next bits happen

[acoustic osprey]

Albeit, doors are open because they haven't readded physiques to them

[meager junco]

True of most workers didn’t know anything that even clearance pass 2 users had, it must’ve been very confusing for hundreds if not thousands of workers

[lethal moat]

We need a finished gateway before we can decide anything for certain

[meager junco]

God that’s at least another year….

[lethal moat]

I will wait and watch

[meager junco]

I want me lore!

[lethal moat]

Me too, but lore must come along naturally

[meager junco]

As long as they give us monorails this year I’ll be happy

[lethal moat]

:minmi_bongos:

[meager junco]

You can’t even send those?

[lethal moat]

I don’t have nitro, so I try to send positive vibes

[meager junco]

Oh fair

[lethal moat]

Monorails would be cool, a few sections of GUTs or the dockyards would be neat

[meager junco]

True I forget that adding bases isn’t hard at all

Could be given 1-2 bases throughout the year

[lethal moat]

What we’ve seen of the dockyards are cool, I’m hoping it takes up a solid quarter of the east island

[meager junco]

Yeh spiros docks looked like V3s but taken to another level, really wish we got to see what that dock was gonna look like finished

I doubt they’ll mess it up tho, probably improve upon it

[lethal moat]

I want it a bit larger than spiro’s

[meager junco]

Godayum boi that’s a big dock

[lethal moat]

It’s a big island

[meager junco]

Gonna take 5 minutes to walk from one end to another

[lethal moat]

I’ve been considering the idea of gen 2 spawning at the docks or other costal bases and having to work your way into the island center

[meager junco]

That would make sense
Kinda like how JP:Lost world is, humans start on the beaches or on the edge of the islands and the deeper they go in, the more dangerous it gets

[lethal moat]

Or have them spawn on a raft or something, and they can gravitate towards costal bases for “easy loot” off the bat

The trade off being that’s where dinosaurs will expect you to go

[meager junco]

I’d like a sort of cutscene when you start as Gen 2(similar to ark) where you wake up confused, dehydrated, hungry, but close to buildings(hunting AE drops gen 2s close to human structures for a better start)

[lethal moat]

I like the having to raft in idea, you get to be more choosy about where you land, but you can be watched as you come in

Also depends on how AE gets them there and what their real goal is

[meager junco]

Mhm, I’m gonna say theyre transported through a sort of aircraft and dropped off, but a boat could be more quiet,giving a better chance of survival(this is also lore related as you wouldn’t see the boat in the game or an aircraft, you’d just wake up)

[lethal moat]

We don’t know enough about anything to say other than guesses.

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-crying-kitten-sad-cat-gif-16988132

We will learn…some day

[lethal moat]

Soon TM

Learning about the other islands would be great too

[acoustic osprey]

soon

[meager junco]

Has spero been completely abandoned ? I remember there was talk about hoping to finish 1 of the 2 previous maps but it wasn’t a priority especially with how spiro performed

[acoustic osprey]

Spero was more or less abandonded

but, we're not too sure of what other islands are still lore

besides Thenyaw

I remember there was talk about hoping to finish 1 of the 2 ...

Do you remember when this was talked about?

[lethal moat]

I want to know which one is primarily responsible for Gen 2, or if it’s spread out across several

[meager junco]

It was kissen iirc and around summer of 2023?

I think she was referring to spiro tho

And things might have changed since

[thin vine]

thenyaw is still canon?

[lethal moat]

Legacy Thenyaw no, but it might be redone in the future

[meager junco]

Hasn’t been reconfirmed or unconfirmed is all

[acoustic osprey]

no

Thenyaw is the only map that cannot and will not come back

[lethal moat]

Noted

[meager junco]

Why exactly thenyaw if I may ask

And not the others

OH it’s a bought map isn’t it?

[acoustic osprey]

Dinosauriac made it

[coarse comet]

What is a dinosauriac

[acoustic osprey]

original sound designer for Isle and one of the level designers

He works on PCE now

[coarse comet]

what is a PCE

[acoustic osprey]

video game

[lethal moat]

Primal Carnage Extinction

[fiery ingot]

I keep seeing random facilities in the new map even one with working lighte. It keeps me wondering..."what happend to the humans?"

[acoustic osprey]

i don't like promoting much, but I'd either recommend watching Lightclaw's video on an introduction to the isle lore

or the top pinned document

explicitly the subsection on "Pre-incident” / “Post-incident”

[fiery ingot]

I mean then again their constantly talking about these eyeless cannibal like humanoids

Maybe they eradicated the humans and the dinosaurs eradicated them

[acoustic osprey]

which/what is talking about such?

[noble sierra]

heres an idea, Add a ptera but herbo so we have something to fly around for next crisis, asuming its not plant spawn crisis

ops wrong place

[lethal moat]

Something made them leave the island, we have a few theories but aren’t sure yet

[low scarab]

Who is lightclaw?

[patent ginkgo]

Dunno

Probably some weird person

[lethal moat]

Heard he’s a little funky, but he makes great lore breakdowns

[meager junco]

I heard the lore has made them go over the edge, still a cool fellow

[fiery ingot]

Like these dudes

[lethal moat]

Those dudes are Gen 1, they were never human, they were born like that

Friend shaped

They’ll be playable, they haven’t been eradicated

[meager junco]

I’m honestly curious how both Gen 1s variant see,
V1 has ghost white eyes so it either means they’re almost blind or are night hunters
V2 tho seems a bit more complicated with no eyes at all

[lethal moat]

:TI_MinmiBongo:

[meager junco]

[lethal moat]

Thanks

[meager junco]

But I like to think they have a sort of echolocation going on

[lethal moat]

It would be cool

[rough hollow]

Echolocation, perhaps.

Explains the classic clicking.

[rough hollow]

Only just realised you sent this. I'm blind.

[meager junco]

Hehe, yeh the clicking would explain it, alas we don’t know if clicking is returning for Gen 1

[umbral patrol]

Isle version of the clickers from last of us before it was cool

[acoustic osprey]

It was for the eyeless technically

[median shuttle]

any particular reason for that?

nvm i just scrolled down and saw why

[acoustic osprey]

lol

how have I not realised

"Power of the sun"

[meager junco]

Omg

Helios? I think

[acoustic osprey]

could be a refer to Doc Oct.
But, also seems to be either alluding to Helios (Titan of the sun)
Apollo, who in later texts in Greek Mythos is also said to be the God of the Sun
Or Ikarios (Icarus for you latin lovers!!)

[meager junco]

I WAS RIGHT!

[acoustic osprey]

BUT

I think this might be referring to Apollo
at least, this might be a design of Apollo (the company itself)

as it seems Apollo is not afraid to use later texts of Greek Mythos, or some Latin (Roman) words and names (with Augustus)

[meager junco]

It’s just crazy on how many Greek mytho references there are

Btw you should add it in lorecord rq

[lethal moat]

Always another reference

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[lethal moat]

It would be a bit on the nose to have AE’s ceo named Icarus

But it could be interesting

[acoustic osprey]

even then

the quote doesn't really match him

[lethal moat]

Fair, I was just thinking in terms of big thing failing spectacularly

Wonder if there’s a Daedalus

[acoustic osprey]

yeah true

but in reference to the sun, he is one of them

[strange shell]

GUTS

[acoustic osprey]

You could honestly have a reference to an engineer (higher ranking engineer) with his skeleton 😊

albeit, it's not much of a reference. Just a reference for the sake of reference

[strange shell]

Oh oh wait
What if the name of some strain quetz or strain ptera (if such a thing exists) is Icarus ?

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, Drone Quetz

[drowsy nova]

Just noticed the rex roaring on the startup screen

actually it looks like a building

i don't know

[acoustic osprey]

no no, it seems to be a Rex/Hyper Rex

[drowsy nova]

Yeah, I thought this was a platform or something

It's just the tubes with a glitch

[acoustic osprey]

fair lol

[drowsy nova]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

but you can see the general snout, teeth and jaw of a Rex

I believe this is from Legacy anyways (but the "Evrima blue" version)

i'd boot up legacy, but Aussie internet says otherwise

as it reminds me of the original H-Rex design

[pure lodge]

I never even seen this Rex in the start up screen, how the hell haven’t I noticed this sooner

[acoustic osprey]

I think it's only in a very few frames

yeah, here's a version from Legacy's boot
https://gyazo.com/bb8e8c528b58df3e78ee923ed5f05be4

you can see one of Vega's original strain artworks as well.
And Hades Caduceus

woops, Hermes

[pure lodge]

The face seems a bit too disheveled to be a normal Rex or hypo I find, it’s teeth aren’t even straight so I’m guessing it’s the neuro Rex

Cus if you look on the top jaw it looks like it’s missing skin or even muscle

Might be kind of obvious to some other people but I’m slow to these things

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/468009150685642772/unknown.png?ex=65acf97c&is=659a847c&hm=31eca174c0c04815cffb717db051a60902b10b2555d3c805fd95d636d93d9470&
I know original Neuro + Tisso Rex exists in the original boot

but I'll have a check from old legacy comments, see if I can check if it's a Hyper or Neuro

#isle-lore-theories message
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/468006733013581825/untitled_by_tapwing-dao5stp.jpg?ex=65acf73c&is=659a823c&hm=92834d1265e06a40d80a73179e9a3f6d94ede5c3d50beeac4b5510e17af5c04c&

[acoustic osprey]

ah, here you go
this is what it is (above)

but yeah, going through the Evrima version

the original black and white bootup (that then follows up by the green loading screen)
seems to be (the images within) mixed into just the green loading screen, but the "Evrima blue" style for Evrima's boot

i.e. there is no bnw boot-up akin to Legacys

https://gyazo.com/3a50a7e39a28ca96bd770b640daaf196
so you have this one old

the rex one described before

a few ones you can't really describe

but they seem "building-esque"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/468009164304809984/unknown.png?ex=65acf97f&is=659a847f&hm=73812300e1388797b5d908f3fd23331823f1508d2c569c9f5e31d21e54a31875&
blue of this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/468009394605391897/unknown.png?ex=65acf9b6&is=659a84b6&hm=fa723b35997272758e176fdb6c581fbfe2c298634b05d177791ac0fae7a4fb3a&
Blue version of this one- seems to be a Neuro Spino

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/468010457186304010/unknown.png?ex=65acfab4&is=659a85b4&hm=a43b34a71b22ee361dae5520c4f496683f42a2cd2541c96e47f3d7c89cbd8b6c&
blue of whatever this is

https://gyazo.com/a44e5d688b8d542265f65175b07ecc01
This one looks like a faded image, but of a fence post/hyper fence?

Albeit, the outline makes it looks like a silhouette of "AE"

but that's it. A nice blast from the past

in which, anyways, HellShade has, nicely, all those old boot-up images on the first doc

[drowsy nova]

Yep it's 100% that

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm, it still is quite interesting

I do hope they either keep or remove such in the future

[plain python]

never noticed that lmao

[slow delta]

https://tenor.com/view/edgeworth-anime-take-a-bow-adieu-gentle-sir-gif-5350249

[drowsy sinew]

can you circle it

[acoustic osprey]

I go into detail below

[median shuttle]

what are the lore implications of saltrock?

[lethal moat]

Eases the tummy of sicky dinos

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ares-god-of-war-xwp-xena-warrior-princess-kevin-tod-smith-gif-19631529

[signal pivot]

that is this pic https://www.deviantart.com/tapwing/art/Nice-to-eat-you-645243181

most art in the old legacy screens i recognize

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

I already sent it just after

[signal pivot]

oh shoot whoops

[acoustic osprey]

don't think the embed gods were listening though

lol, but thank you anyways.

[lethal moat]

I cursed him

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-oh-boring-leprechaun-wah-oh-wah-oh-boring-wah-oh-dead-gif-27189059

[dapper cedar]

isnt it.... strange how the isle never runs out of power, powering so many lights at the same time

[sonic rampart]

There's a few dams around that could be powering it

[lethal moat]

There’s a dam, and there might be a geothermal plant in the mountain

Beat me to it

[patent ginkgo]

And a bit of solar

[dapper cedar]

without human maintenece dams cant survive long though

so maybe some humans left? 😉

[lethal moat]

Nah, we just don’t know anything for sure as of now

[dapper cedar]

😭

[lethal moat]

Our favorite guesses so far are Pacifica our Southeast Asia

[carmine sandal]

And how is florida not a top contender due to the abundance of death gators

[acoustic osprey]

transported to Australia

[lethal moat]

Too close to people for it to be safe

[carmine sandal]

also are we not gonna talk about how there is like a 50/50 chance that atleast one pair of deino's have gotten off the island in lore and just started nesting like crazy on some coastal islands

their so massive that the only things that pose a threat to them are murder oreos and jaws

[lethal moat]

No, we’ve been told that there isn’t a reason for them to leave the islands, but there are multiple islands

[carmine sandal]

Oh also does evrima lore have any relation to legacy lore or was all the legacy lore thrown away faster than a deino could catch a drinking omni in the open?

[lethal moat]

Kinda, some legacy stuff is being moved over and reworked, but not all of it

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no

@carmine sandal can't come back. Dinosauriac

[carmine sandal]

So legacy itself isn't canon, but some of the stuff from legacy lore either is or will be?

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

Best way to describe it honestly

For example
anything related to Primal Carnage in Legacy Lore? Gone (for Evrima)

[lethal moat]

The lore graveyard will slowly expand the more we learn

[carmine sandal]

So a follow up question would be, are v3 and thenyaw still canon islands or did spiro & gateway take their places?

[lethal moat]

They have the potential to be reworked if they want to

[acoustic osprey]

Thenyaw won't ever return

but v3 might

[carmine sandal]

also you can't tell me that gateway's volcano wasn't insipred by thenyaw's volcano

[acoustic osprey]

Spiro could
seeing as it has a tiny bit of lore in a few Lore Videos

[lethal moat]

What Lightclaw said

[carmine sandal]

Honestly I think it'd be better recieved if we got a revamped v3 &/or thenyaw to take spiro's place in the lore. Spiro is just so bland.

Hell I think thenyaw's swamp alone was more complex than all of spiro.

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't mind if they redid V3 in Spiro

don't use the design of Spiro

just name the redo of V3 as "Isla Spiro"

[carmine sandal]

Actually

[acoustic osprey]

I LOVE the vibe and atmosphere of V3
it was good and horrific

it's grey wash and fog was unsettling and cold

[carmine sandal]

Hear me out.

A complete redo of spiro

[acoustic osprey]

100%

[carmine sandal]

and the design is like everything good from thenyaw and everything good from v3 and everything good from spiro, as little good as there is

[acoustic osprey]

I say yes

but make it original

[carmine sandal]

Also are the hypo's going to return?

In lore atleast, and not as just something for the devs to scare people shitless with

[lethal moat]

Hypers are returning as well as the other strains except for M

Take a gander https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[carmine sandal]

So primal carnage rex is going to stay in the buggy trash pile that is legacy?

[acoustic osprey]

damn, forgot about Type-O in the iceberg

[lethal moat]

Anything primal carnage related is gone

[acoustic osprey]

yep, pretty much

[lethal moat]

Never even happened in my brain

[acoustic osprey]

a few seconds

[carmine sandal]

I asked about the hypo's mainly because I saw in a screenshot a hypo carno in northeast plains on gateway

[lethal moat]

That was from a stream and was just an asset transferred from legacy, it’s likely going to get redesigned with the other hypers

[carmine sandal]

Honestly I liked old hypo rex more than the new concept art one

Evrima hypo rex needs a redo

[lethal moat]

We’ll see

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-so-you-have-chosen-death-chosen-death-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15767548

[carmine sandal]

You underestimate my power.

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[meager junco]

Damnit

The ultimate backfire

[acoustic osprey]

why not Cat Ear Rex

[carmine sandal]

I no longer appreciate this community.

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[meager junco]

Hehehe

[sour rivet]

This is your fate

[meager junco]

Look islecord does things to ya

I blame batcat

[sour rivet]

Let’s beat him up (in the isle)

[lethal moat]

Lorecord is not a place for the sane

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/run-derek-gif-18236756

[sour rivet]

Is that Jungle Gump ?

[signal pivot]

I’m powering it

[lethal moat]

Nice

[keen shoal]

thenyaw v2 cooler imo

[icy onyx]

👀

[lethal moat]

Lore

[bleak flint]

bring back v3

scrap gateway

[strange shell]

no+wrong channel

[sour rivet]

What if

[acoustic osprey]

no

[sour rivet]

The human population already ceased to exist and was replaced by a bunch of Gen 2s. In reality nobody knows that though except the elite and maybe the replicator !

[strange shell]

Big Resident Evil movies vibes

[keen shoal]

where is V3 located

i was thinking somewhere near Scandinavia since northern lights are capable of appearing

[patent ginkgo]

Anywhere in the northern hemisphere I’d say, but it’s not canon anymore

[keen shoal]

alr what is cannon then?

[patent ginkgo]

Gateway is the only map currently that’s canon, as everything from spiro and legacy is gone

[keen shoal]

oh rip

[patent ginkgo]

Though some legacy elements are reused

Mainly the fundamentals

Like AE and strains and such

[keen shoal]

i assume currently, that gateway takes place post-event

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah

We play post-incident

[keen shoal]

alright

[brazen cradle]

Are these ordered in size is my guess?

[patent ginkgo]

nah just the order i thought of them lol

also not all of them are correct

This is the new list:

Kapok (Ceiba pentandra)
Brazilnut (Bertholletia excelsa)
Philodendron xanadu (Thaumatophyllum xanadu)
Philodendron (Philodendron sp.)
Monstera (Monstera deliciosa)
Beach naupaka (Scaevola taccada)
Sago palm (Cycas revoluta)
Giant cane (Arundo donax)
Windmill palm (Trachycarpus fortunei)
River Red Gum (Eucalyptus camaldulensis)
Quindío wax palm (Ceroxylon quindiuense)
Giant elephant ear (Colocasia gigantea)
Banana (Musa acuminata)
Cornstalk dracaena (Dracaena fragrans)
Ceratozamia (Ceratozamia robusta)
Common duckweed (Lemna minor)
Fragrant water lily (Nymphaea odorata)
Bald cypress (Taxodium distichum)
Saw palmetto (Serenoa repens)

[keen shoal]

so how did the incident really happen

was it a mass breakout or a slow stealthy overtake

[meager junco]

We don’t know
It’s one of the biggest questions for TI

Some broken fences suggest something broke out

Bases were evacuated quickly also so it’s hard to exactly tell what happened

[lethal moat]

I’m betting a ton of things happened at once after several thing went wrong

[void apex]

It really is hard to tell from our current knowledge. However, considering all the left behind, expensive equipment, it is unlikely that it happened gradually. It was probably some sort of cataclysmic event, where several things went wrong at the same time, causing potential contingencies to simply not work. Forcing AE off the islands.

We don't have enough information surrounding this incident to even begin to say what it was. But since it was enough to cripple AE's dominion over the island, we know it was bad.

[meager junco]

Yeh i think that replicator somehow got one of the experiments to escape(most likely echidna) and she started causing chaos on the islands, this wouldn’t be the only thing but truly the breaking piece

[acoustic osprey]

Depends. Would love to know what Carrier means

As we know her role wasn't wasn't the brains but the carrier

[umbral patrol]

It was def a sudden event to cause a mass immediate evacuation

[meager junco]

I have a feeling that errant 291 has the clue to telling us what the situation was right before the incidents, if something dangerous had escaped and more high levels or precaution were taken, cause the vibes that sheet gives me is something is out there on the islands, working against AE and not just the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

What I'm curious is why didn't he have a biotrace

If he was shift?

Unless, biotraces are only required if you're working in areas with dinos

[umbral patrol]

I don’t think he’s the original employee just a vibe I get. First gen 2 possibly? Seems like he wasn’t quite “there” in the head?

[acoustic osprey]

If he was on "SHIFT", it seems like he had to be working for them

Unless Gen2s also have shifts

But from what we can presume at the moment, Gen2s are a product of post-incident

[umbral patrol]

Well remember when said employee went in alone before he was found wandering around? Something must have happened between then and when he was found

I think the guy who came back out wasn’t who went in

[meager junco]

You mean mentally?

[umbral patrol]

Cuz it seems implied he wasn’t all there in the head when he was found and had no bio trace and I presume everyone who worked for AE has to have a bio trace

[lethal moat]

I’m betting things snowballed out of control

[meager junco]

Agreed

[umbral patrol]

Yes and no. Like he was a clone not the actual guy. Maybe the ai absorbed him and spit out a “clone” or something since we don’t know what e exactly happened when said employee went back in alone

[lethal moat]

Interesting theory

[meager junco]

Hmmm I like that idea

I kinda have something similar but it’s basically just the employee being kind controlled by echidna

Hence the sudden cardiac arrest

[acoustic osprey]

When was this stated?

[umbral patrol]

I’m not home rn I’d have to find it

[acoustic osprey]

Unless you're just referring to him wandering around prior

Indicated by the map with him trying to access Olympus Transmitter

Would love to see the witness statement though

[lethal moat]

Still need to check out that pattern he gave whenever Perimiter and/or GUTS opens

[acoustic osprey]

Mmmm

[umbral patrol]

It was something stated in an errant 291 video I watched I’d have to look to know for sure where I thought of that scenario

Once I get home

[acoustic osprey]

Basically when G, lodge, and B, Hades, opens

[meager junco]

Me still thinking bio trace is genetic code in each dinosaur created by AE

Also acting as a bio chip

[acoustic osprey]

Either LLLRFL is a code, password for something into B or directions

But he does give a date
12/7

Which also exists in the original Errant document, but 12/7/2172##

[umbral patrol]

I think all employees or anyone working for ae has to have a bio trace to make sure who are employees and who are not

[acoustic osprey]

Which I presume the years were placeholders

[meager junco]

Yeh I don’t think we’ve passed the year 2100

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as Don has tried not to give proper dates ever

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it might depends on specifics

[meager junco]

What eludes me the most is how dondi responded to employees wanting to leave “what if they don’t want to leave?”

[acoustic osprey]

Besides Errant291 apparently!!

[meager junco]

Replicator gives employees free will again…employees regain true consciousness…a revolution starts…

Hmmmmmmmm

[umbral patrol]

I’m trying to find the video but stupid YT algorithm won’t pull up things for what I’m specifically looking for gives me results that have nothing to do with search criteria 🙄

I hate mobile

[acoustic osprey]

Which video would it be?

[acoustic osprey]

Hmm

[meager junco]

What if replicator really is the good guy in this

Well as “good” as can be

[umbral patrol]

It was talking about errant 291 incident

I’ll find it once I get home and finish feeding my geckos

[keen shoal]

this makes sense

so the humans we will play as

if this is true they would be sent from AE to the island or survivors?

[lethal moat]

Sent to the island and they aren't actually people

[keen shoal]

what are they

[lethal moat]

Perfect recreations of people built from the ground up as an "Ideal human" without any actual human dna

[keen shoal]

oh so like a spartan from halo in a sense

[umbral patrol]

Found it the theory I came up with based on his video and what he put in it. https://youtu.be/C3xJf_CAiG8?si=OpRfRQBlGQoZERvj

Start at minute 6:00

Why I think the employee who came out wasn’t the guy who went in

@icy onyx @meager junco @lethal moat

[lethal moat]

Oh nice

[umbral patrol]

I think the replicator made a clone of him since it received human dna earlier in the day and who knows what happened to the original employee

[lethal moat]

I like that theory

[umbral patrol]

The math be mathing in my head xD

Especially since the autopsy they did on him kinda confirms it for me

The very first unsuccessful gen2

[lethal moat]

:TI_MinmiBongo:

[meager junco]

I like that

Either that or the echidna theory is what I’m going with

[umbral patrol]

Yee it’s the most logical conclusion I came up with. And yee that too

A more loose theory is maybe Augustus got his ability to climb due to the human dna that the replicator received

Since plants don’t have that ability and it wasn’t inherently part of prior herras

[meager junco]

Augustus is definitely a special boy

Was climbing trait just an accident from fast gene recreation?
Was it intentional by the replicator to mess with AE?
Did someone higher up press a button to surprise the rest of AE?
Personally I like the second theory but with how dondi has lore setup, we could be on the complete wrong end of the table, lore-wise

[umbral patrol]

Yeah I think it was intentional but it seems it wasn’t a trait that any others besides Augustus has. Until ol boy got his hand stuck in the replicator as he’s putting in the herra. And now suddenly we get Augustus. It’s too much of a coincidence to be the origin of his ability to climb

[meager junco]

Yeh I think replicator created Augustus as something to mess with AE, seeing it attacks cameras the first time it’s ever seen on film

[umbral patrol]

I think the replicator got some new juicy dna to play with and said what the hecc I’ll test it on a herra lol

Specially since it seems sentient enough to observe human ability so it used its current knowledge of humans and then one it got human dna it decided to experiment. I’m not wholly convinced it is innocent or well intentioned. Def could be evil. If you think how the machines in movie lore like the matrix or terminator

[meager junco]

Technically it doesn’t need the extra DNA as the replicator makes the dinosaurs in her vision, so if she truly wanted a climbing Herrera that was adapted for it, she would’ve made it, but since AE didn’t want that and/or never asked for it, then they’d know somethings up with the AI

[lethal moat]

I think it just accellerates natural selection by providin random mutations expanding on previous iterations

[umbral patrol]

I think the replicator got to the point it could decide how it wants to be, possibly code out its software intended to help humanity and has evolved its own “will”

[lethal moat]

Or AE didn't know what they were asking oit to do or how it would respond

[umbral patrol]

Like it no longer can be shut down , no more kill switch

[meager junco]

I don’t think of her as evil, she follows a program to the letter, if AE asked her something that they didn’t even know what they were truly asking for, she’s still gonna give the results that her programming allows her to do

[umbral patrol]

Mm possibly but it’s already shown it has its own agenda which would go against it’s programming

In theory based on what we know

[umbral patrol]

Yea

If they programmed it to accomplish a specific task they could have potentially left a back door for it to evolve beyond its intended purpose too

[meager junco]

For example: AE asks for the perfect earth
Replicator responds with :Destruction of humanity

[umbral patrol]

Fair enough. Leave too much up to interpretation

So it does a task based on its own interpretations

With it’s limitations or lack there of

[meager junco]

We assume so

Basically shes outsmarted AE years ago, they just never realized it

Or they did but far too late

[umbral patrol]

Ye

To me it seems she’s evolved past her original design or purpose however she was able to accomplish it which means they really didn’t think about failsafes or barriers to prevent unintended consequences

Big ae L

With what we now know with regards to how fast AI can actually advance and learn it could give Dondi some crazy idea how to develop the replicators lore and story scary stuff

And todays AI has barely scratched the surface as far as how out of hand it could get exactly how advanced it could get become. would make some pretty insane story development and if they made the AI in a time like for us there’s basically zero laws or you know rules regarding how it’s being programmed so I can def see us having our very own real life AE moment

[meager junco]

We just need to know her origin, we have no clue where she came from or who even made her

I wouldn’t be sure if it’s something like an ancient device that they dug up but seeing how advanced they are, it’s a very big possibility they made it

[lethal moat]

I’m putting money in AE making it

[umbral patrol]

I think they made it too

Will be awesome to see what lore we get on its background

[lethal moat]

For sure

[umbral patrol]

What better way to speed up what you want to do than with ai

Even our ai today you tell it to make a short story about some random topic and it nearly instantly creates a story based on what info you give it

[lethal moat]

Expedite the process

[umbral patrol]

Yee

[meager junco]

Replicator just gives me “not man made” vibes from what we’ve heard

Ik aliens and all that are bull crap but from the lore perspective, it never seems like a man made thing

[umbral patrol]

Like alien tech ? Some star gate sg1 vibes

[meager junco]

Yeh but aliens are confirmed to not be in the lore iirc

[umbral patrol]

Yeah very true can’t wait to see how the story pans out

[meager junco]

But yeh I’m just stating how the replicator has never seemed like a normal machine from the sounds of it

At least not one humans would make

[umbral patrol]

Normal well meaning humans at least

[lethal moat]

Depends

We currently are able to clone things, an ai would just be automating that process as well as applying Crisper technology to change genes

[umbral patrol]

Unless they designed it to have minimal limitations to a point thinking it would be a good idea?

So they could expedite the process of their goals

Could mean the global state of the planet is in pretty bad shape

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-preoccupied-gif-14303484

[umbral patrol]

Desperate times desperate measure

[lethal moat]

I genuinely forgot I didn’t have image perms that time

[umbral patrol]

):

I guess having a clear picture of the why and how the state of the world is in could give insight on the mindset of AE and Apollo overall

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

The thing is, that autopsy report isn't real and just speculation that just promotes the pre-existing Mr Beard had about.
Not to say his theory is bad because it has some really good pointers for possibilities

But, a lot of the video was super speculation and made a lot of stuff up to justify their speculation.

We know there was an autopsy.
But they wanted to know why he suffered his cardiac arrest, which many people would want.

albeit
The theory seems quite interesting itself, just generally the aspect of ERRANT-291 being a clone. However, I believe less a clone and more something else;
Even before Mr Beard's video. 291 does not seem normal, hence, I suppose, his title is "ERRANT".
He was simply wondering near the D Section, approximately 7 minutes after "SHIFT" (if you decode the lined-out bar).

which means it took, if the map (the graph he had) was anything correct, it took roughly 7 minutes for him to get from "G" to "D" (likely through to "A") to get to "D" (Olympus Transmitter) in roughly 7 minutes.
However, he might've left some time before his SHIFT finished.

What's interesting, though, is why Olympus Transmitter.
One might presume a spy, infiltrating Apollo. But it's a bit cliche? I don't believe AE would've killed him unless 291 did a Star Wars Empire and killed himself.
However, I can see (especially close to Beard's video) 291 likely being connected to the Replicator and/or Echidna.

We know Echidna can submit short-range radio signals, which means she possibly can detect radio signals close by (likely around the size of the island, maybe even further for a few kilometres depending on how and if it takes a lot of energy to do so)
HOWEVER, it does depend on previous circumstances (which we don't know as of yet) and also how long it takes The Replicator to spit out something it creates/replicates (noting the word "replicates"), I can very much see 291 being maliciously brainwashed.

it also depends on whether The Replicator can clone outside out the pre-existing Cloning Vats that we know to exist

[lethal moat]

Short and sweet: Gib lore please 🫶

[umbral patrol]

Ah nice yeah it was what I came up with based on what he said in the video and thought it was interesting

[acoustic osprey]

Cloning could work though
He had no bio trace and it seems like workers typically almost ALWAYS have such

[umbral patrol]

Right that’s what I was thinking too

[acoustic osprey]

knowing that tampering will mean you will face consequences

[umbral patrol]

Yea

It seemed plausible he isn’t “human”

[acoustic osprey]

but, yeah, depends on his role as a worker prior to that incident

[umbral patrol]

Yeah for sure

[acoustic osprey]

All right, just trying to just note that a lot of his stuff there was made up for the sake of theorising

[umbral patrol]

Right I understood that most is theory and it was a secondary theory based on what he came up with

[acoustic osprey]

good good

but the video was nice.
He got a bit sidetracked with that other movie stuff, but it had some stuff I kinda never really thought about more recently

[umbral patrol]

With the incident report on its own he still didn’t seem like it was something normal or what a normal regular employee would be doing especially with regards to protocol

[meager junco]

True but from looking at documents and everything, they would’ve gotten the replicator way before cloning or good cloning got on the road, what I’m saying is the machine has always seemed otherworldly compared to even things like Neuro

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[umbral patrol]

I can’t wait for more details to fill in more blanks xD love all the juicy lore

[meager junco]

But I do also think it’s made by them, it just gives those creepy Sci fi vibes

[acoustic osprey]

I assume even AE seems such.
Having three sweep teams going out, and only two surviving

[umbral patrol]

Yeah seems excessive for one single man

[acoustic osprey]

but from what we have, a lot can change.
Less so change, and more so add on

I don't presume there will be only one incident report

[umbral patrol]

Yeah

[meager junco]

I mean if it truly was an employee that got their “consciousness” freed or something, then the last thing AE wants, is for them to get word to the real world

[umbral patrol]

More definitely would probably come out specifically if this was the snowball moment and things got exponentially worse after 291

[meager junco]

Errant just seems like the key to something

To what? That’s what I wanna know

[umbral patrol]

Yeah it’s definitely got a lot of stuff locked behind it

[acoustic osprey]

Or just one part in of a large and grand artwork

[umbral patrol]

Right yeah. Will be interesting if we can learn more behind that incident

[meager junco]

Definitely, hopefully it’s something very important lore wise and we’ll see 291 return at some point

[acoustic osprey]

We know he will most likely not

[umbral patrol]

I def will have to agree with Isaac on that

Ol boy is long gone

[acoustic osprey]

Hence why I see it less as a key for something unknown to us yet
And more so a small but still important piece of the puzzle

[umbral patrol]

Its most definitely important for sure

[acoustic osprey]

And it was confirmed by Don as well
Most of these characters, Augustus, 291, etc, will not return/reappear

[meager junco]

That’s a big disappointment

[acoustic osprey]

Means more characters!!

[umbral patrol]

I can see why they would get rid of Augustus due to the risk he imposes

Same for 291

[meager junco]

It’s not time for Shirley to rise tho!

[acoustic osprey]

I suppose it comments
Not everyone is special, but we're all part of the same story

[lethal moat]

Augustus is fine and well, you don’t know what you’re talking about

[umbral patrol]

Wheeze lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cannot-be-here-tonight-because-he-is-dead-ha-ha-ha-evil-laugh-evil-gif-13008034

[umbral patrol]

Shirley is well on her way don’t you worry lol

[lethal moat]

[umbral patrol]

Rip Augustus gone but not forgotten

[meager junco]

From what I’ve deducted, Shirley is around 5-10 years old IF production started on 89-90

[acoustic osprey]

At least we play as his children, forever in his memory

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-mufasa-lion-king-gif-12724947

[umbral patrol]

Yes, we shall all carry on auggy’s torch

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-mufasa-lion-king-gif-12724947

[lethal moat]

Thanks shadow

[meager junco]

Idk if that’s the right one there’s was 50 of em

Np

[acoustic osprey]

I suppose it also depends on if the growth we see in game is how it is in lore, especially to describe how fast mutations can appear in lineage

Or if not
And they separate from each other

[umbral patrol]

One thing I hate about a story not completely flushed out and have to actively wait on more story is i can’t binge on the entire story it’s why I’ll wait years before watching a certain tv show til there’s like 7 seasons. It’s how I feel waiting on isle lore lol

[meager junco]

True but I was looking at the Augustus video date, 94-99 I believe is the estimated time, and if production started in 89-90 than she’d be around 5-10 years old as her species number is 003(or I assume that’s what 003 is)

[lethal moat]

New podcast stuff to record in like an hour

[umbral patrol]

Ooooo juicy deets

[meager junco]

But this brings me back to the question-How fast do the dinosaurs actually grow

[acoustic osprey]

Oh rump

[meager junco]

I was thinking max range is 5 years for apex’s and big animals while smaller ones would be a year or even 6 months

[acoustic osprey]

I might be a bit late
My dentist appointment is starting now

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/novela-telenovela-shocked-zoom-omg-gif-25795602

[lethal moat]

👍

[acoustic osprey]

Just depends
We got no idea when basically anything started, so who knows

[acoustic osprey]

I'll send a message on lorecord when I'm back

[meager junco]

Yeh the 89-90 is just a guess I took

[lethal moat]

Nice

[acoustic osprey]

But i can see this being the case

[meager junco]

Hmmm

To kinda back up my theory

Augustus is 174

A much smaller animal aka a faster growing Dino

So technically, we’d have way more herreras than rexs

[acoustic osprey]

I presume exponential growth
Fast early growth to adult

And long sustained period after for elder till death

[meager junco]

It’s also about how much AE is trying to learn about these animals or is just “let’s get them grown as fast as possible to test on them as adults”

[umbral patrol]

Probably makes sense to grow them as fast as possible for testing

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder if there is any aspect of replicating with passing childhood straight to adulthood

Or all creatures must, at least in pre incident times, grow from childhood

[meager junco]

I agree but why have them grow in the first place? Why not just make them adults from the get go? If Yk what I mean

[meager junco]

LOL

[acoustic osprey]

Clarke's Third Law

[meager junco]

I didn’t realize u said the same thing I was writing

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[umbral patrol]

Mm I think there would be no way to bypass growing to adulthood only increasing the speed to which they mature

[lethal moat]

Keep them in a tank to mature could work

[umbral patrol]

But I guess it depends on how advanced the replicator is too

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe they were limited to naturalistic but excellerated growing in pre incident times

[meager junco]

I think there’s more to it then just “we need adult Dino’s”

Why would they allow nesting if it wasn’t the case?

[lethal moat]

Why dinos

[meager junco]

AAAAA

[acoustic osprey]

And maybe the incident forced them to try and more so rapidly develop better "adult replication"

Mainly for Gen2s

[umbral patrol]

I think the animals have to grow from a baby to an adult for some reason

Yea

[meager junco]

Really hard to tell, we’re at one of those lore walls now where it’s just “WHY”

[umbral patrol]

Yee

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[lethal moat]

Keep throwing stuff at the wall, it'll open eventually

[meager junco]

One day we’ll peak through the crack of lore

[umbral patrol]

I think that non bacterial animals by laws of nature can’t just automatically become adults there has to be some process of maturity

[acoustic osprey]

But will tartarus open

[meager junco]

Who said Tartarus was a physical place

[acoustic osprey]

That is likely the case

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

Gateway to tartarus

[lethal moat]

Put the lore in the bag

[meager junco]

I DIDNT MEAN IT DONT KILL ME

[acoustic osprey]

[umbral patrol]

Yeah but they figured out a way to expedite the process perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

Expatriation you go

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-5920695394641505768

[umbral patrol]

The only way to access Tartarus is via stargate

[lethal moat]

I will open augustus video until I materialize in wet cave

[meager junco]

Ima just call Zeus up and ask him for a Tartarus pass

[umbral patrol]

That’s what’s in the massive dome hehehe the stargate to Tartarus

[umbral patrol]

lol

[meager junco]

I can see perimeter as an entrance for Tartarus which I think will be the hades entry but i recently learned how hades and Tartarus are both places and gods lolol

[umbral patrol]

Could mean significant access points for something

Greek god lore tiers

The more powerful the mythical entity is the more important the level is

[meager junco]

Oh I still think hades entry and Tartarus are connected as it depends on what Greek mytho version you read, they can be kinda the same thing (I think?)

[acoustic osprey]

To note
Tartarus is less physical in human nature than Haides is

Tartarus is Gaea, where they embody the form of nature

[umbral patrol]

Could be. Hades is like hell basically I believe? Or the keeper of the gate to hell?

[meager junco]

Yes this^ I’m not a Greek nerd like the claw of light

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus is of the hell that is the pit of Tartarus

[meager junco]

It’s hell and it’s keeper

Tartarus is super hell

[umbral patrol]

Same XD I’m not super familiar

[meager junco]

More like a prison really

[acoustic osprey]

It's less a hell
And more an underworld for the dead

Likely, in lore, referring to things under ground

[umbral patrol]

Ah ok so basically what Dante’s inferno was inspired from is my guess

Ah ok gotcha

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus is the most "hell" out of anything

[meager junco]

True I forget how much hells differ

[umbral patrol]

So whatever is in Tartarus is big or has to be

[acoustic osprey]

Think of it similar to Helheim, Haides the place

[lethal moat]

Hades = hell
Tartarus = extra hell

[meager junco]

Helheim is cold
Hades is a desolate boneyard
Hell is fired up underground cave

[lethal moat]

Different layers of culture

[acoustic osprey]

There is also a Valhalla equivalent in Greek Mythos

[meager junco]

Elythian fields?

[umbral patrol]

Whoever founded Apollo was def a Greek mythology nerd for sure

[meager junco]

Or something

[acoustic osprey]

Especially the blending of classical Greek and other pagan religions

[meager junco]

Am I right Isaac?

Or something similar to that

[acoustic osprey]

Elysian
Yeah

[meager junco]

Yayyy

[acoustic osprey]

Most definitely

All right, going in now
Ciao for a bit

[meager junco]

Have a fun appointment ^^

[lethal moat]

Asphodel as well iirc

[lethal moat]

Bigson brought up the idea of lava tubes being used in GUTs during the podcast yesterday and I thought it would be worth posting here

[hexed forge]

weoeoeoeoeo Botany addicts first theory

[patent ginkgo]

[acoustic osprey]

wow

only one thing yesterday

Well I guess I'll talk about my iceberg

[lethal moat]

We’re starving slowly

[acoustic osprey]

https://icebergcharts.com/i/The_Isle_Lore_Legacy__Evrima/image

93 entries

[lethal moat]

Wheos

[acoustic osprey]

WHEOS!!!

I'm keeping those smaller terms as they're all made by VisualTech
so it has some validity

[lethal moat]

I have now associated Wheos with the corn kid song in my brain and I will not be trying to fix it

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[nimble fractal]

Next time someone says "its just a dinosaur roleplay game" Im showing him this

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145482154109849701/1186499748342026240/trollery.gif?ex=65937900&is=65810400&hm=df8be8afadf86302d5c7485e3fa1504c13ccee34fa61d9959e331ab75667cd17&

[nimble fractal]

How much % of the iceberg do we know yet? 👀

[lethal moat]

Hardly any

[nimble fractal]

Sadness

[lethal moat]

Hoping for a lore drop today, same as all the days

“What are we doing tonight Brain?”
“Same throng we do every night Pinkie”
🐁

[meager junco]

Or this

[lethal moat]

Hecc yeah

[nimble fractal]

So real yea

[iron anchor]

rumple turned pink

rest in peace

[lethal moat]

[umbral patrol]

Imagine not being pink or purple

[gleaming lily]

What the hell is B

Is there like a video essay explaining all the lore

[lethal moat]

We have a podcast thats being worked on (three episodes out) and lightclaw has made some good stuff

[gleaming lily]

Is there a link

[lethal moat]

https://open.spotify.com/show/4nkw9nPzbZDfhb0k4LL8F3?si=32490e22485645b6

[lethal moat]

I hope gen 1 vs gen 2 captures the same energy as Ewok Hunt

[meager junco]

I mean I really hope that either the redwoods or a facility resembles a tribalistic village, showing that Gen 1 isn’t just some dumb creature but actually can use tools and build/craft stuff

[acoustic osprey]

B will be explained soon

I have an iceberg video soon

B is one of those goofy ones

[acoustic osprey]

I cannot remember where
but is this from Augustus?

and if so, where

[terse heart]

1. this was 3 months ago how do you remember
2. I found it, yes it was from Augustus, but I Got confused between AV1 with the 1 in roman numerals and AVI which is a video format released 1992. I hadn't heard of AVI at that time so I assumed it was AV1.

[plush palm]

I'm going to be suuuuper annoying but I haven't indulged in The Isle lore in the past 4 years
Anyone able to summarize it?

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[plush palm]

Tysm ilu

[patent ginkgo]

Another loreling

[plush palm]

I snort the lore like I need it to survive

I'm so sad I can't find creative works besides fanart on the isle because it's so juicy bro...

[keen shoal]

ok real talk but WHY THE FLIP, are the gates at east plains not even done?, like the mfs literally just stopped midway through

[lethal moat]

Maybe they are and we don’t know what exactly’s going on yet, might be to direct the dinosaurs rather than contain

[keen shoal]

i mean its working, everyone hangs out at NE and east plains lol

[lethal moat]

[umbral patrol]

Pshh Isaac stop being slow sheeeesh. Quit keeping a gal waiting for real 😩

Gib lore nao pls

[acoustic osprey]

Was in a conversation with someone (Hacker), as he was making a UI very similar to Augustus for Apollo Files

could not remember if it was AV1 or AVI in what we were conversing about

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-the-thing-fire-burning-flamethrower-gif-21416314

[lethal moat]

Mood

[lethal moat]

New theory: Gen 2 has a superiority complex over gen 1 and wouldn't give them the time of day if gen 1 were to offer peace (not that it's likely to happen)

[slate onyx]

Hey yall can someone please tell me the entire The Isle Evrima Lore up to now please, I don’t mind Spoilers.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-it-jean-luc-picard-star-trek-the-next-generation-everything-gif-23455350

[lethal moat]

Start with this and if you're still interested we can see what we can give you https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[acoustic osprey]

And if you prefer a video
Lightclaw has a video on the opening basics of The Isle (Evrima) lore

but, I would very much recommend reading the document
as that includes everything we know at the moment- described

[lethal moat]

Pretty cool dude who makes good videos

[acoustic osprey]

IF you have any questions, we're always here ||Waiting... always waiting...|| to answer any questions

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/stefán-karl-stefánsson-lazytown-robbie-rotten-nick-jr-robbie-rotten-gif-19766384

[lethal moat]

[slate onyx]

Thanks @acoustic osprey and @lethal moat !

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

have fun and enjoy it

[lethal moat]

Mhm, we have a server if you're interested as well

[nimble fractal]

The council will decide your fate after you read the sacred texts, if you are worthy to join the isle lorecord

[lethal moat]

Nah, we'll let pretty much anyone in

[slate onyx]

@lethal moat @acoustic osprey no really thanks I been trying to find up to date lore videos but the only ones I find on YT are from years ago

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-eats-stop-gif-24789821

[nimble fractal]

[acoustic osprey]

no worries!
I will also be making an iceberg video soon, but I wouldn't recommend using it very much besides as a video to eat food to.

Seeing as a lot of the information will be a mixture of old and new lore

[lethal moat]

I just posted my first lore video on youtube (I despise editing)

[nimble fractal]

Ping me when it releases, The Law

[acoustic osprey]

but good insight
those older videos are nice, but not great for knowing things "right now"

[nimble fractal]

You can say anything but old Legacy branch starting screen is the best

[acoustic osprey]

lol

i remember people had many long chats (almost as bad as us in here 😊 ) about the starting screen and the main menu way back then

[nimble fractal]

Exactly

[lethal moat]

Never played legacy tbh

[nimble fractal]

Thats like 60% of isle game history but is fine

Sadness is that most of the lore gets changed

[lethal moat]

I know some stuff I don't actually do stuff

I make people think I'm more important than I am by projecting the image of intelligence to make up for the fact that I am a troodon and NOT a cryptid

[slate onyx]

I finished reading the Google Docs @lethal moat so thanks! But I have a question what do Gen 1/2 Humans look like and what were they created for or do?

[lethal moat]

Likely a failed or partially successful experiment, @acoustic osprey could you send the gen 1 images for me please?

[acoustic osprey]

sure thing

[acoustic osprey]

just the head shots
i'll get the full size in a sec

[lethal moat]

Thanks

[acoustic osprey]

but damn do I hope they keep the long jaw over the short jaw

much better in my opinion