isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

True, could digitize things

Technical Outlines for/of Material Biotrace

[rough heart]

That too yeah, especially once they do get the dna/memory blueprinted needed for replication if it does connect back

[fair arrow]

could be a plan

[lethal moat]

The problem is he called it The TOMB, implying there is only one thing

[fair arrow]

new structure?

where they keep all "strange creatures"

[lethal moat]

That’s probably Tartarus, The TOMB is described as a library of sorts

[steel summit]

thats most likely tartarus

[fair arrow]

its a databank then

[lethal moat]

Possibly

[fair arrow]

where all information is kept

all of it (watch all the lore theorists raid it)

[lethal moat]

Maybe not all, but a good amount

[fair arrow]

i find it strange that people need a level 3 clearance to view a video of a herrera learning to climb

rather strange

hm, where'd you learn about this "TOMB"?

[bleak flint]

more likely there was an egyptian civilization on the island that built a pyramid that had a tomb inside it and they lock up bad dinos in the tomb

[lethal moat]

A post and we learned it’s an acronym today

[fair arrow]

show me pls

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/paddling-gif-7623907

[acoustic osprey]

Apparently in lore characters basically refer to it as The Tomb
Rather than the TOMB

[bleak flint]

highly possible

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

As it's basically, like GUTS, relatively synonymous with what it's named after

Eg. GUTS are the guts of Gateway

[bleak flint]

why is it generic

[fair arrow]

anything additional

[lethal moat]

They aren’t all the same

[bleak flint]

does that imply there are special underground transport systems

SUTS

[lethal moat]

That’s about it

[fair arrow]

got a lot to learn mate

[lethal moat]

Monorail, road, (maybe an underground River, that would be neat)

[fair arrow]

you think GUTS leads to TOMB?

[lethal moat]

I’d say it’s likely

Transport Over Material Barrier

Mental barrier? Idk

[fair arrow]

knowing the tech they have i wouldnt be surprised if they added a mental barrier

[bleak flint]

thats the monst random ass thing i've ever heard

transport over material barrier

[fair arrow]

like a vr headset, anyone unathorized could be shocked and killed

[lethal moat]

EIPs and Replication and stuff, idk, I’m tired

[fair arrow]

The Omnibus Manuscript Bureau

maybe idk

sounds too fancy

[bleak flint]

Tartarus Obese Mechanical Bomb

[fair arrow]

TOMB is a library

[lethal moat]

It’s most likely a physical place, so let’s start by trying to name a place, rather than a group or title

[steel summit]

the underground

[fair arrow]

all of these names are related to greek mythology, so lets try and start there

[lethal moat]

The acronyms haven’t so far

[fair arrow]

damn it

[lethal moat]

Let’s try to think of this from the Dev’s perspective, we have a place where it’s a dinosaurs last place they go and they are kept there, we already got rid of CRYPT and GRAVE because we couldn’t make a good acronym, what could TOMB be

[bleak flint]

maybe tomb is like a big freezer that they freeze the dinos in and store them

[lethal moat]

That’s a theory I like

[fair arrow]

poor agustus

[lethal moat]

Terminal O M B

[fair arrow]

well its a library

[lethal moat]

Of sorts

The Tomb might have also been destroyed

Maybe stuff got out?

Temporary O M B

B being Biotrace would be really convenient

I need to sleep, maybe I’ll have better thoughts tomorrow

[steel summit]

go to sleep

[lethal moat]

The O is probably Organism

X
Organism
Management
Base

(Thank you chat GPT)

I think the O and B could be Organism and Base

B could also be Bank, since things are stored there

[iron anchor]

organism manipulation base

i don’t see how the T can be used so

The Organism Management Bank

but yeah M for manipulation

is tomb where the tanks are so ben and whatever is there

[lethal moat]

Terminal Organism Manipulation Base

[iron anchor]

they experiment there? or is it solely a place to store stuff

[lethal moat]

It’s a library of sorts, if I had to guess, that’s where we’d plan the operation to bust out our little buddy

[lethal moat]

We don’t know

[iron anchor]

dah

[lethal moat]

Terminal Organism Management Bank

Or base

[iron anchor]

what’s terminal for

isn’t terminal like an entry

[lethal moat]

Terminal could either be an access point or a final point, which would work well I think

[iron anchor]

it just seems out of place when you put the terminal there

but perhaps

[patent ginkgo]

I think O is organics and B is bank

[lethal moat]

Well, if it’s a library, you should be able to access the dinosaurs, and Terminal could also mean the end

[iron anchor]

how much confirmed knowledge do we have on the tomb

[lethal moat]

What I’ve told you

[iron anchor]

lol

we’re on lore life support

[lethal moat]

T, temporal temporary tertiary transfer

[patent ginkgo]

I think terminal could work, as y’all said before

[lethal moat]

Terminal Organic Management/Moderation Base/Bank

O could also be Organism

[iron anchor]

this is what GPT4 thinks

1. Terrestrial Organism Museum Basement
2. Temporal Organism and Memory Bank
3. Theoretical Organism Management Base
4. Terran Organism Memory Base
5. Temporal Organism Morphology Base
6. Terrestrial Organism Morphology Bank
7. Theoretical Organism and Morphology Base
8. Terran Organism Maintenance Base
9. Temporal Organism and Material Bank
10. Terrestrial Organism and Material Base

[lethal moat]

I asked GPT and it was decently useful, it’s how I got to the B-Base/Bank

[patent ginkgo]

I had said earlier in the lore server that it could be Treasury of Organisms, Materials, and Biotraces

[lethal moat]

OH, I like that one

[iron anchor]

nice yeah that’s probably the best one so far lol

[patent ginkgo]

Materials doesn’t fit that well though

[lethal moat]

B being Biotrace could be a good Segway into more lore

[patent ginkgo]

Yep

[lethal moat]

AE also does botany, could be modified grain and whatnot

[patent ginkgo]

Ooh I like botany as b

[lethal moat]

Every single one of those says Organism

[iron anchor]

Lol

[patent ginkgo]

Basement

[lethal moat]

Organisms, X, Botany

[iron anchor]

yeah ai is not that good at figuring out acronyms apparently

[patent ginkgo]

Or botanical(s)

[iron anchor]

probably botany

what even is biotrace

[lethal moat]

We don’t know

[patent ginkgo]

Mentioned regarding ERRANT 29whatever

[iron anchor]

makes more sense the acronyms is in the order jolly mentioned

[lethal moat]

Pretty sure it might have been in the Augustus bid as well, maybe in the top left of the character screen next to the tracking chip thing

[iron anchor]

Treasury of Organisms, Materials, and Botany
(storage of living things(organisms and botany))

but materials is kinda weird

[lethal moat]

Yeah, materials is kind of vague

MUTATIONS

[patent ginkgo]

Oh

[iron anchor]

oh yeah congratulations we did it

[lethal moat]

Treasury of Organisms, Mutations, and Biotraces/Botanics

[patent ginkgo]

How could I forget mutations lol

[lethal moat]

Might even just be Treasury Of Mutations/Biotraces(or Botanics)

[iron anchor]

now we can stick with that until dondi comes along and tells us tomb wasnt an acronym

[lethal moat]

He said it was on stream last night

[iron anchor]

oh ok

lol

[lethal moat]

We stick around until he tells us we are completely incorrect

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-worst-day-if-your-gif-23257643

[iron anchor]

Lol

[patent ginkgo]

Just like Tartarus

[iron anchor]

what happened with tartarus

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26470175

[patent ginkgo]

We got told we don’t know anywhere near anything regarding it

[iron anchor]

lol

[lethal moat]

This is my best guess for the Tomb so far

[iron anchor]

this acronym we figured out is too good to be wrong, he’ll have to change the name now

[meager junco]

Watch the T stand for tomb

[iron anchor]

lol

[lethal moat]

It just needed to not be 3 in the morning to remember that mutations exist

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shotgun-gif-12301456

[meager junco]

We know nothing—

[lethal moat]

[meager junco]

Hopefully we have the idea of tomb right

[lethal moat]

My hopes and dreams were dashed with the Tartarus thing

[meager junco]

This would give you a heart attack

[lethal moat]

What?

[meager junco]

If don would say the tomb is not at all what we think it is

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-internet-too-much-internet-wtf-gif-5286690

[meager junco]

We’ll get something right.,.someday.

[lethal moat]

I don’t think I’ve had a validated theory yet, just a bunch of small question answered

[meager junco]

Yeh the best theory that’s been validated so far from what I’ve seen, is what strains were created for

[lethal moat]

We don’t have that validated yet, just reasonable suspicion

[meager junco]

Oh I thought we got confirmation since don sent that gif

[lethal moat]

Which one?

[meager junco]

Ummm

Lemme find it

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-you-vampires-kiss-gif-13606497

This one

[ruby juniper]

„nicolas-cage-you-vampires-kiss-gif“

[lethal moat]

Ah, that one, I took it as the right direction, possibly spot on

[meager junco]

Yeh I’m gonna assume it’s something like a step in the right direction , it still leaves a lot of other questions like why test them on dinosaurs and such

[lethal moat]

‘Why dinosaurs’ keeps me up at night

[patent ginkgo]

True

[rapid chasm]

what if ae needed dinosaur poop to fertilize crops

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

But on a serious note maybe the reason they use dinosaurs is to sort of store genetic code/material and they are using the dinosaurs to mutate and keep their genetics alive or maybe they are growing something inside of the dinosaurs themselves

[patent ginkgo]

I’m thinking perhaps to simulate massive strain on food resources with an emphasis on crops

[meager junco]

That idea does make dondis statement of “necessary and unfortunate” more valid

[icy onyx]

ooh, like how genetic scientists use pigs and pretty much inject the unborn ones with new material, and then they grow up while studied

i know we have (and actively use) pigs as genetic storage so they can take samples as needed

[low scarab]

Mhm exactly

[lethal moat]

Right, that’s a solid theory with backing from things irl, stuff like this could could up

[low scarab]

Should I put it in the discord?

[lethal moat]

Sure, why not?

[civic prism]

why using dinosaur instead of pigs then?

[icy onyx]

bigger dino = more meat/samples, maybe?

[civic prism]

then bigger pigs

and honestly, dna can store a lot, so i bet it wouldnt change much

and if its to avoid other companies to retrieve them, then its also very hard for your to get them back compared to a normal security system that you control

[civic prism]

also no, since you have very tiny dinos like hypsi troodon dryos

[icy onyx]

that’s why it says a theory

i don’t know if i’m right or not i’m just speculating

[low scarab]

what if the dinosaurs are a good choice because of biodiversity there are plenty of different species to choose from

or it could be a legal loophole and nothing can be considered illegal because they are all creations of AE

[civic prism]

the legal loophole could make sense, no animal right, since nothing state that dinosaur fall under their protection or whatever, also its possible that governement dont know they do dinos anyway, and this kind of things seems secretive, no idea xd

[maiden sundial]

That and also remember, apollo got a lot of influence

Agriculture and pharma are some very important industries.

[civic prism]

the most important for societies tbh

[rapid chasm]

no im actually srs

[low scarab]

Why dinosaur poop over animal poop?

[rapid chasm]

more poop

produced

[low scarab]

What abt the small dinosaurs

And aquatics

[rapid chasm]

food for big poop producers

[low scarab]

Also I really doubt don would make that a cornerstone for isle lore lol

[lethal moat]

Cows and horses would be way cheaper

[low scarab]

^

[rapid chasm]

ok but which is cooler

[lethal moat]

Which is more likely from a story perspective

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[lethal moat]

In order to to understand the incidents report better, it would be easier to know what is ‘normal’ for AE, so I would be happier to get either a schedule or a handbook/pamphlet over another incident report or something anomalous(other than the matriarch)

[stoic ridge]

i feel like it would be more difficult to find members of the same species since there's a ton more options. I do enjoy having biodiversity though. I also think it won't be a problem if the game becomes successful

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, you wouldn't really need dinosaurs.
But I understand making an ecosystem easier by loop holes

But, we do know that the Domes contain specific environments for RnD, etc. So it seems like, at least, that AE don't truly need biodiversity unless for explicit RnD projects

[sour rivet]

Maybe it’s something more simple ? I mean to be honest if their goal was to create something like medicine or what not simply researching on modern animals with their technology would be enough that whole loophole thing seems kinda cliche since governments could simply create new laws in regards to that (and if the argument is that they don’t know dinosaurs exist there, well if they can hide dinosaurs than they can hide other smaller less problematic animals).

Specifically focusing on „old“ animals seems kinda interesting, do they possess something modern animals don’t ? Is there something in their DNA making them better research material than other animals ?

What’s the purpose of a dinosaur from a pure objective standpoint cause currently it seems like dinosaurs were only used to either avoid the law to some degree or out of a subjective point of view

[maiden sundial]

You have the ability to produce whatever you want from an ai replicator. Wouldn't you also want to make dinosaurs?

[sour rivet]

If I was a mega corporation probably not, half of those dinosaurs look lowkey ugly ngl

[maiden sundial]

Well said mega corporation possibly may have a quite good goal: it may be to create a perfect human.

Dondi has said this megacorporation isn't a stereotypical evil one.

[sour rivet]

Why use dinosaurs than ? They could replicate humans without end and if there is something ethically wrong with that just clone apes

Dinosaurs and humans aren’t really that closely related so working on monkey would probably be smarter

[maiden sundial]

Because of likely experimenting on genetic code. That and also why not?

[sour rivet]

Seems burdensome and kinda over the top. I mean they had to specifically achieve to clone dinosaurs somehow instead of just going for the thing that would obviously seem more efficient

[maiden sundial]

I mean they did both.

Gen 1 exists.

[sour rivet]

Gen 1 seems to be a failed experiment not necessarily something sought out but I’m not sure about the lore surrounding Gen 1s

[maiden sundial]

Gen 1 are a failed experiment

Doesn't mean they didn't have uses

[sour rivet]

Didn’t say that they didn’t have a use but in all honesty as of currently there is no logical conclusion as to why dinosaurs are needed. If Dinosaurs were the only type of animals that could withstand a strain mutation than ok yeah maybe but I really don’t get it

[maiden sundial]

It's not a sense of why. But why not?

[sour rivet]

Nah it really is

[acoustic osprey]

no

we just don't know what Don has planned for them.
Just that they were externally forced to do such (Dinosaurs)

[acoustic osprey]

do note, that AE are likely no longer "Medicinal" (that likely being with more so Apollo Pharmaceuticals North)

and if such was externally forced, it's likely not them trying to barge through some sort of legal loophole

unless such showed AE/Apollo about such
which is a bit less on the play on the cliche

[fallow harbor]

maybe someone leaked what was going on at ae pharmaceuticals and they had to move production

[maiden sundial]

I mean also remember this is a megacorporation. So it's possible they have branches. Æ may just be only one branch.

There may be an AP (apollo pharmaceuticals)

Under the parent company Apollo.

[meager junco]

There’s 3-4 Apollo branches , one is Apollo engineering, the other pharmaceuticals, another is red then there’s another I forget the name of

[pure lodge]

welp its confirmed that gateway is situated in areas around south america due to the prescence of brazil nuts

[patent ginkgo]

Not necessarily

I’m working on something with that rn

[meager junco]

Our botany expert is hard at work

[patent ginkgo]

🫡

[low scarab]

RnD?

[desert shale]

Research and Development

[low scarab]

Oh gotcha

[rough heart]

Btw I had a thought about The Tomb being called a tomb specifically
Tombs are usually much more grand things, given things like you know the tombs of the Egyptian Pharaohs and such. They’re made as places that celebrate the life, death, and continued life after death of those entombed in them.
What if we’ve been thinking of The Tomb almost incorrectly? Rather than it just being a library what if it is also a literal tomb for each thing put there, to be celebrated and studied? Because if feel like that does then add onto the fact of Agustus being entombed and all future herras based on him

[patent ginkgo]

That could be, though iirc the emphasis seems to be more on it being a grave than a grand place

However its extremely likely that entombed things are studied post-entombment

[meager junco]

Now just to figure out what TOMB stands for

[patent ginkgo]

Treasury of Organisms, Mutations, and Biologicals

Least that’s my theory

[meager junco]

Yeh the B is either that or Biotrace(s)

[rustic urchin]

For people using the dino sheets, what’s the closest font to use? I’m using Canva

[ionic sable]

I've just been printing them out and hand writing them.

[rustic urchin]

My handwriting sucks 😭

Time to buy a typewriter to get the most authentic possible font

[mortal hound]

Woah, nice. Actual AE employee over here

[lethal moat]

Yeah, Hacker puts in the work for sure

[mortal hound]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068332886077490/1149869612339568650/NEgtAeDm.gif?ex=656a7f87&is=65580a87&hm=afd548e90ad4da1eb8f3516b84d0b915955b9f1bcd349cab9b5621086ce0dfce&

[acoustic osprey]

I doubt such if dondi named dropped it

We still know Strains are only more so coincidentally connected with medicine

[fallow harbor]

maybe it was medication for regenerative diseases and the accidentally created the tisso strain

[acoustic osprey]

I would doubt such

If anything, I can imagine either Tissos or The Matriarch being off shoots of each other

Seeing as they are related in their research

But for explicitly why, we still know that strains are FOR medicine

[acoustic osprey]

A library of DNA, Mecha

I can very much imagine it being akin to the Jedi Archives

It's less a library of literature

But a library of information

In which either is in Apollo Core
Or has Apollo Core

IF Apollo Core is a video data library/storage

[lethal moat]

That was my immediate assumption as well

[lethal moat]

I used to imagine the containment areas of Tartarus as the general vibe in the Sith temple in ‘Rise of Skywalker’, and the actual laboratory areas as a sterile environment, but now I just don’t know

[lethal moat]

This popped up in the lore server, so I thought I’d say here:
Clone does not mean replicated

[acoustic osprey]

I say no need to think otherwise

We can truly theorise for years about Tartarus

Till Don lore drops anything more about it

Either via a video or being here or in stream

[lethal moat]

I do wonder exactly how deep it is and what the average temperature would be though

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on the environment of it itself

I can imagine it being averagely cold
Especially if it's anything related to a creation facility

[lethal moat]

It also depends on how old the thing is and if it’s manmade or not, because some caverns can retain cold from the ice age if they are old and deep enough

Though cold temps would make storing things and keeping them sedated/drugged easier

[acoustic osprey]

Suppose it also depends on if it's anything at all connected to caves

[lethal moat]

We know GUTS is partially manmade partially natural, I would guess gateway was chosen as the site due to Tartarus being a naturally large formation, unless Tartarus isn’t one open cave system and it’s more like a large cave network making up a structure like a sponge or a pile of spaghetti

[acoustic osprey]

That's if GUTS is still that original mixture of caves and transport tunnels

[lethal moat]

True

I actually wouldn’t mind Tartarus being a ton of medium caves rather than one big one

[acoustic osprey]

Hmm

[lethal moat]

Wonder if hypers will only be full sized or if you’ll have to grow it from a baby or maybe escape from Tartarus

[iron anchor]

baby hyper model would be great

[meager junco]

Would honestly be sick, instead of “south plains, east plains ect” you get “Tomb labs, or Tartarus gates”

[acoustic osprey]

If players were under control of such
sure honestly

But, I don't believe strains will "grow"

unless such is changed from Legacy

[silver crystal]

Alr big idea. But first big question. Is the kong gorilla monster that was planned for legacy isle gone?

[acoustic osprey]

no

[silver crystal]

The whole point of the strains are after you grow a Dino to a certain point.

[silver crystal]

So it’s still planned?

[acoustic osprey]

Colossus is still confirmed atm

likely not planned as a playable for a long time
but in-lore? Still here

[silver crystal]

Yeaaaaaaah. Love that guy

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[silver crystal]

Wut

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[silver crystal]

Oh my bad. I understand now

[acoustic osprey]

lol

all good

[silver crystal]

He’s so cool though ngl. But like I feel like it would be odd to make him work. Unless he’s more smaller than that big boi

Like camara tall?

The sauropod that’s available on legacy. Not the big one but the smaller cousin or whatever version of it

Like if he was that height? Maybe bigger? Like when shant does a stomp. I feel like that could be fine.

Just his attacks would be odd. Like would he be swiping at Dino’s? Punching them? Bite them? I have no clue and I honestly don’t know or see how they can fight back. At least not yet. Unless someone can give a good example

[silver crystal]

It’s more like a big cave network that you can get lost in. It’s called Tartarus for a reason. To be veeeeery spooky

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sonny-i-robot-gif-23790834

[steel summit]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[snow jasper]

Perhaps? Two Blocked off dams iirc at each highlighted point

[carmine marsh]

there's four in total there, and they both connect the NE river to the upper delta river via caves.
one is above the waterfall, one is below.

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-devious-rubbing-hands-evil-suspicious-gif-26037341

[carmine marsh]

(the caves are not in yet but it's pretty obvious they're planned travel routes for deinosuchus)
(the caves were open in early teaser screenshots of the map)

[snow jasper]

New company in the isle's universe?

ACRILIC-DS?

[weak crypt]

Acrylic paint

[lethal moat]

Could be the name of the tablet

[lethal moat]

Underwater river system as a part of GUTS could be cool

[snow jasper]

"Eurocount13b"

AE is European!!

[patent ginkgo]

Interesting

[lethal moat]

Where is this at?

[snow jasper]

K15, North Side of the Hanger inside the cliff

[lethal moat]

So, it’s for measuring power, interesting that that’s there, maybe we should scour the dams to find something similar

[low scarab]

Hmmm that’s cool

[patent ginkgo]

It seems like a separate company though right?

[meager junco]

Is that the company on the right side?

ZECO or something?

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah I saw that

It certainly looks like a company logo

[meager junco]

I wasn’t sure if it was a logo or just a regular warning or something

[lethal moat]

I think Acrylic DS is the name of the tablet and ZECO is the name of the company

[patent ginkgo]

Is ZECO on the tablet?

[lethal moat]

I am a little bit stupid, you’re right

I’m not sure exactly how power meters work, but it looks like there is a lot of capacity for power

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[sweet kite]

what early teaser screenshots

[carmine marsh]

you're really going to make me dig it up huh.
alright, hold on.

[lethal moat]

Scroll up Phase 3

[lethal moat]

Also, Duck, can I interest you in the lore server?

[carmine marsh]

here, it's open just below the herreras.

sure

[ruby juniper]

People really need to create folders where they save every post made in phase-2,3 and the devblogs

It’s not even that hard, not tooo much to scroll thru

[long veldt]

I believe it says ZEGO due to the line by the edge of the c moving toward the o

and it seems odd to measure kilowatt hours as a production

so that would i presume measuring remaining time

[lethal moat]

Rün made an entire server where all that is organized

It’s pretty handy

[ruby juniper]

Ah, still going to make my own folder because it’s more handy but good that someone made a server for it (just arrived in 2021 phase two)

[silver crystal]

I do a little trollin

[brazen cradle]

Looks more like a G to me

[lethal moat]

That’s a D, probably for Digital Surface

[steel summit]

its a DS

[acoustic osprey]

looks like a D

you can see the curve

[brazen cradle]

I don't think you guys know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the letter AFTER the A

[acoustic osprey]

oh that

[brazen cradle]

Ye

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, looks more like a G
but needs a better angle

[brazen cradle]

I see a little indent there, which is why I said it looks more like a G#

[hushed yacht]

Definitely looks like a C. looks exactly like the C on the end. Acrilic?

[silent portal]

Food for thought, Apollo engineering is making dinosaurs, Artemis is the Goddess of the wild and hunting....what if.....there is a connection with mercenaries and Artemis a symbolic sibling rivalry in pure symbolism

[strange shell]

Well
There is no mention of Artemis in the lore, and they are'nt actual mercenaries
Gen 2 are as much of an experiment as dinosaurs

The reason they're called Apollo Engineering is because Apollo is the God of medicine and health, and they're (among other things) a medical company

[meager junco]

We’re starting to think AE the branch of Apollo itself might not have been a medical company since we have Apollo Pharmaceuticals

[strange shell]

If there was something to be linked to Artemis, that'd be the Gen 1/ Tribals
Seeing as they actually hunt the dinos

[strange shell]

Oh well yeah
Just Apollo
I forgot AE is just a branch

[meager junco]

Yeh they seem to take a lot of inspiration from the Greek gods, from Apollo to the Colossus

[bleak flint]

maybe AE is an acronym

[strange shell]

wdym ?
AE stands for Apollo Engineering

[meager junco]

👆

[bleak flint]

nvm it wouldn't make sense

[silent portal]

Is the temple still the lore? Like the one meant to be sacrificed to?

[meager junco]

You mean the replicator ?

[silent portal]

Yis

[meager junco]

She’s still canon

[strange shell]

Replicator is still canon

[meager junco]

Tho very mysterious

[strange shell]

But she might not be inside a temple anymore

[meager junco]

We’re not sure if she’s sentient or just has found some twisted logic in her programming tho

[strange shell]

I mean, I guess since she's being worshipped, wherever she is IS a temple
But it could just be an abandoned underground vault turned into a temple by tribals

[meager junco]

Rumple had a good idea, where the replicator turned the underground areas into her vision of the world, meaning she could’ve maybe made a temple where she is for the gen 1s to worship

[silent portal]

I think there is maybe some synonym with Artemis and the replicator. Perhaps I am dwelling on a futile ideal but we have a Greek theme already...but the idea of the replicator being sacrificed to and being able to create organisms

[meager junco]

Maybe the replicator will go by a code name like Artemis in future files

[strange shell]

smth like Gaia, Kaos or Metis would make more sense

[silent portal]

What..if...Apollo perhaps reactivated the replicator/Artemis, angered by this, Gen 1 fought Apollo, when there would be losses, the fallen would ressurect/ ascend into Dinosaurs.....when a dinosaur is willingly or not sacrificed, someone gets to be a higher and more powerful form of life as long as Artemis' will is followed perhaps, Apollo is studying the replicator to advance their products technology

[hexed forge]

no....nno..... no.....

[strange shell]

uh...
That's far-fetched

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah…

[strange shell]

It's not worse than using hypers for military purposes

[hexed forge]

no... def worse..

[mortal hound]

that is rude so dont say it tbh

[mortal hound]

indoraptor moment

[hexed forge]

[mortal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-better-homelander-antony-starr-the-boys-im-better-gif-25853880

[strange shell]

Ah hell nay I haven't watched Jurassic World 2 (or 3 or whatever tf is the one where indoraptor appears)
please don't tell me it was a military project

[meager junco]

Gen 1s basically follow the replicator as they subconsciously know it created them(as stated by dondi) they follow whatever orders are given to them by her, so for your theory to happen, the replicator would have to been either mad or in disagreement with AEs plans, also we don’t know the replicators origins or how it was made

[mortal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[hexed forge]

🤝

[strange shell]

Just don't
Tell me nothing

[hexed forge]

Yes and no

[mortal hound]

(in the second jurassic world movie indoraptor was a military project yes)

[hexed forge]

They made it to be used in wars, but they werent selling it, to the military

They were selling it to some rando rich people, the indo was basically gonna be used as a guard or somethin

[strange shell]

wut
I mean
It's actually more believable
Rich people do be stupid sometimes

[mortal hound]

actually it was a prototype and wasnt supposed to be sold, but the sellers of it got greedy

[hexed forge]

TRUE

I guess intruder is better

[mortal hound]

homelander never lies.

[hexed forge]

[silent portal]

Perhaps...The replicator can't fight back and is ordering Gen 1 to do it on her behalf, a Goddess leading an army

[meager junco]

I mean that’s basically the story of Gen 1 so far, we just don’t know the why, as in why has she decided to turn on AE, why does she choose Gen 1 as her followers when she could assemble an army of dinosaurs if she wants to

[patent ginkgo]

Gen 1s have the intelligence for loyalty of a sort

[meager junco]

That’s true but she could amass an army of whatever she wanted, especially with the strains unless they’ve broke the mind link that the replicator has on them

[signal pivot]

Nothing

[meager junco]

I could see neuros breaking free, being telepathic and stuff

[mortal hound]

what if I kill you (in the isle)

[patent ginkgo]

Hmm yeah true

[strange shell]

Thank you

[signal pivot]

I would be mad for a minute depending on the creature and then I would be okay

[mortal hound]

understandable have a great day

[silent portal]

As bullshiet as this answer is..maybe there are limits or it's a proof of strength, perhaps she can't directly control but only speak to her followers and the only ones who understand her wishes are Gen 1 and maybe even turncoats of Gen 2. Like proving yourself to a get a higher rank in an army to not become canon fodder

[hexed forge]

I plan on killing humans as human, your welcome for this useless fact about me, now I shall go insane in ark, have a good day

[meager junco]

Well they will get rewarded by her, we assume Gen 1s will become eyeless upon getting rewarded, but that’s just one thing that she’ll reward gen 1s with, we know gen 2s will have the same ability to get rewarded, but we don’t know if that means she’ll turn gen 2s into more like Gen 1s or a complete new creation we haven’t seen yet

[silent portal]

Hmmm

[hexed forge]

Matriarch humans, or just any strain of human pleasee

[signal pivot]

Good

[meager junco]

I think strain humans like the trinity are a bit more complicated than that

[hexed forge]

[signal pivot]

It would be cool if matriarch had a humanlike phase but idk

Work typo

[steel summit]

i dont know if i wanna call the matriarch a strain, i think its an organism created by mixing strains and more, so while it can be classified as a strain creature its not a strain itself

[signal pivot]

Since it’s shapeshifty yk

[meager junco]

We don’t know her origin so maybe she was human before

[hexed forge]

Thats what I said! Matriarch is a combo of all 3 strains! And no one believed me

[signal pivot]

I wouldn’t think so bcs she sort of grew from a small specimen I believe

[meager junco]

Just a byproduct of tisso research, no other strain I was assured by rump

[steel summit]

we dont know the evrima origin but in legacy she was created as an entirely new organism

[steel summit]

aight

[vocal relic]

Would that be possible? Is it capable of converting its shape into a non-reptilian form? As far as I understood from earlier concept art it had to feed on its hosts to gain nutrients to shift into said hosts overall shape. Would a mammalian base be feasible?

[meager junco]

I was thinking the same at first but supposedly dondi confirmed this

[signal pivot]

I don’t mean shapeshifter as in able to do so anytime

[vocal relic]

Oh I know, but I do mean in general

[meager junco]

All of that is unofficial

[vocal relic]

This is true, but have I missed some more official matriarch content?

[steel summit]

its adaptible, it changes in accordance with environment (atleast in legacy iirc)

[meager junco]

There is none sadly

[signal pivot]

Hm i don’t think she can exactly become mammalian if that’s what you’re saying hence the word humanoid, she did have insectoid features in a couple of smaller phases btw namely the wheel bug inspired back on the first one

[steel summit]

all the matriarch phase artworks are unofficial sadly

[signal pivot]

Also sorry if I sound off I’m working and coming back to type between customers

[meager junco]

Yeh everything about matriarch 3+ years ago is unnoficial or fanmade

[vocal relic]

Adaptability does not inherently achieve intelligence. I feel a humanoid body plan without higher intelligence to fully utilize it would fall flat in terms of useability in an Evrima setting

So a humanoid form probably isn’t a likely outcome for survival

[steel summit]

yep

[meager junco]

If matriarch truly did start off as a new organism, than her first true phase would be in a vial

Later on adapting and getting bigger

[signal pivot]

That’s also what I was thinking as the forms she takes on have to do more with physical aptitude I guess? And becoming humanoid to use handmade weapons kinda defeats the whole purpose, BUT I can see extra arms being used to manipulate things / pick stuff up

[steel summit]

which could make sense considering being a byproduct of tissoplastic research

[meager junco]

Exactly

[signal pivot]

My initial proposal was more of a what if rather than a “I think it would do this” if that makes sense

[steel summit]

the Matriarch adapting into a humanoid form could be a cool "what if" scenario but yeah it wouldnt really make sense

[vocal relic]

100% yeah, but I do want to think of a realistic interpretation of the creature. BUT if in an entirely theoretical humanoid arose from the matriarch’s form, I feel it would be in a setting where she is surrounded by humans herself and can more readily and easily interact with human infrastructure even if not fully understanding it. If she would be capable of this then amassing large amounts of nutrients from humans wouldn’t be so difficult if she sets up in an abandoned outpost or something of the like, taking in new victims who wander by in search of aid.

[strange shell]

Matriarch but it's a monster girl

[steel summit]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-i-just-read-reading-samuel-johnson-joshua-reynolds-reaction-gif-14997728

[mortal hound]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1176256833690816683/IWPiXWTC.gif?ex=656e358a&is=655bc08a&hm=bf63694a4f49f4036a4648121c29335a21d7f17f0cf8676c8d0a4598fb7bb4d2&

[silent portal]

I need to think deeply on what Tartarus is....i have half baked ideas..but i need more

[steel summit]

tartarus is a place, things are there, thats basically all we know sorry

[lethal moat]

Everything we know about Tartarus is half baked

[dense glen]

Is the update even coming atp💀

[silent portal]

Then...lemme cook...

[lethal moat]

Which update?

[steel summit]

gateway came out less than a month ago, what you talking about

[meager junco]

2 weeks and a half ago

[steel summit]

less than a month ago, my point stands

[lethal moat]

Would the matriarch even have gender?

[meager junco]

I wasn’t trynna be smarty pants btw I just realized how that sounded😂

[steel summit]

matriarch is the title of a female leader, so maybe

[lethal moat]

Right, but that would imply the existence of a male counterpart

Which would be interested in learning more about

[meager junco]

Yeh I’d assume it’s a female but could just be cause she’s the lead project for AE

[signal pivot]

Oh yeah that makes much more sense in concept

[meager junco]

Also could be a um

What do you call them they have both genders or none

[signal pivot]

Eh I don’t think just bcs she a gorl means that there Has to be a male

[lethal moat]

Hermaphrodite

[meager junco]

That’s the one

[lethal moat]

Just interested in why the name matriarch was chosen

[signal pivot]

Right right

[steel summit]

"replicator being a She" (yeah i know its an AI so it doesnt count im just making a joke)

[meager junco]

Well I remember when I searched it up a long time ago it meant “ all mother “ or something

[ruby juniper]

is it greek or latin or something completely else is the question for me

I know that mater is latin for mother

[signal pivot]

Keep in mind I’m pretty sure matriarch just originally began as tapwings fan concept correct me if I am wronggg

[meager junco]

I like to think she’s convinced the gen 1s that shes a she in terms of calling her a goddess

If they’re as intelligent as dondi said, then they won’t try to think further on it

[signal pivot]

Either this or she popularized the idea of such a thing by drawing her take on it

[lethal moat]

It existed before that, Tapwing just popularized it

[meager junco]

She’s definitely real

[lethal moat]

PEST, you aren’t in the lore server, wanna join the chaos?

[ruby juniper]

so Matriarch comes from a french word that comes from the latin words „Mater“ wich means Mother and „Archa“ wich is the female form of chief
So Mother chief

wich, well fits

Wait im wrong archa was added in by the french and is greek for chief but anyways

[lethal moat]

OH MY GOD YOU ARE THE REASON BEN EXISTS, we need your expertise

[lethal moat]

But what’s it the mother of? We know it starts small and grows big, evolving as it goes

[meager junco]

Prob the mother of all their research

The most advanced thing they worked on

[lethal moat]

I doubt it, since it is a byproduct of research into another thing

[meager junco]

We should ask dondi next time if matriarch is actually a girl or what

If he’s so keen to give us that info…

[lethal moat]

Put it on the subtle questions list

[ruby juniper]

Was the Matriarch always called the matriarch? I dont know every lore detail but just by the way you asked this I would guess it was before the tribals started worshipping her

[lethal moat]

Having the Matriarch genders be a MUTO situation would be interesting

[meager junco]

Done

[lethal moat]

Matriarch and replicator aren’t the same thing

[meager junco]

In taps concept I like to think the one that survived the longest is the girl and the other was a boy, kinda like the indominus situation

[lethal moat]

We shall see, neat to think about tho

[ruby juniper]

oh god I missread something, saw some reply about the gen 1s worshipping something and my brain auto applied it to the matriarch talk

[lethal moat]

Fair, matriarch is its own thing, separate from gen 1s (as far as we know)

[ruby juniper]

I distantly remeber it from tapwing’s deviant art page

[meager junco]

I like the idea of big giant kaiju matriarch but- I hope in the actual lore, they’re more Rex sized but look a lot like the last stage of taps concept, the perfect organism, something so terrifying if it would escape earth, it could destroy other living worlds, maybe a reason why AE left everything as well…

[signal pivot]

Not saying she isn’t

[signal pivot]

I see tho

[signal pivot]

I do yes

[steel summit]

(run while you still can)

[signal pivot]

I like lore

[lethal moat]

Check DMs

[low scarab]

k22?

also why so many old computer setups when there are plenty of modern devices

[patent ginkgo]

What’s that on

[low scarab]

this thing its in the perimeter building

[signal pivot]

Stonks

[low scarab]

has someone mapped out gateway using the names ae uses for example highlands j sector k 15 jungle i sector etc

[acoustic osprey]

No actually
Not yet

I should
I really was to properly map out the coordinate system Gateway uses

The Alphabet Number ordering
Not the (X,Y) system

Eg. k15

[low scarab]

hmmm ok interesting lmk when you start looking into it

[lethal moat]

I feel like it's definitely more sector based instead of grid based

[acoustic osprey]

It could be

But why name using a grid system them?

[lethal moat]

Dunno

[acoustic osprey]

It's painfully confusing

[celest token]

yo is this the isle lore ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l5l7atss78

💀

It kinda looks like the isle's lore but the isle is better i think

i need to learn more about the isle lore.. someone share ur opinion about this if you know about the lore 😔

[acoustic osprey]

No

[acoustic osprey]

There is video from lightclaw on YouTube in which describes the basics of the Isle lore

If you are interested

[celest token]

oohh i shall look...

[mortal hound]

me when self promotion

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-talking-gif-25364693

[brazen idol]

I dont think humans are a great idea for the game. it feels like the devs are squeezing to different games into one mess.

[steel summit]

Well if it makes you feel any better we wont be playing as "real" humans, most likely artificially created humans (also servers will be able to disable humans)

[brazen idol]

Ok thats a bit reassuring, thanks for the info

[acoustic osprey]

And we're still learning bit by bit about them

[brazen idol]

Well we know that some of them are going to have guns

[strange shell]

Yes, Gen 2 will

[steel summit]

you will find guns on the island

[acoustic osprey]

They'll have guns, Gen 2s,

But we know it wont be forced into a hunting game

[steel summit]

dondi is very hesitant on the "are gen 1 "human"?" question

[acoustic osprey]

😊

[brazen idol]

I guess we will see how it turns out in the end

[edgy pike]

just some guy called lightclaw... you may have heard of him

[steel summit]

nah, i totally havent heard about lightclaw

[brazen idol]

Whats a lightclaw?

[steel summit]

the creator of the famous video titled "Frog - The Isle"

[sour rivet]

Insane person, he has no restraints, no boundaries, a person without any morals. Borderline psychotic if you encounter him just hope that your death will be quick

[acoustic osprey]

a lore youtuber you HAVE to watch

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1176256833690816683/IWPiXWTC.gif?ex=656e358a&is=655bc08a&hm=bf63694a4f49f4036a4648121c29335a21d7f17f0cf8676c8d0a4598fb7bb4d2&

[brazen idol]

Will do👍

[steel summit]

(Isaac is Lightclaw btw)

[young crane]

The isle evrima and isle classic portal to other dimensions of the isle X??

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/animated-bear-gun-gif-10278436

[young crane]

The isle X on top

[low scarab]

shhh

[quaint compass]

[icy onyx]

from what i’ve seen, the lengths people will have to go to find the magazine, ammo, aNd gun, definitely not going to be hunting

[lethal moat]

Assuming they survive to that point, human bases will be even more of a death trap than sanctuaries when they first arrive

[icy onyx]

yeah-
so maybe there’s gonna be some form of defense or at least beginning materials so they aren’t butchered the moment they spawn?

i know other babies don’t get the special treatment but they’re so small and fast

[lethal moat]

Maybe a knife or something, but not something huge

[icy onyx]

yeah, i don’t want a newbie blowing my dilo’s head off with a shotgun😂

[lethal moat]

It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get everything you need for guns

We did get new info on gen 2 today tho

[icy onyx]

ooh??

[icy onyx]

they also said technically you don’t need the magazine, but itll would be single load every time without it

[lethal moat]

I would rather use that single bullet on my self, I’m going to be completely honest

[icy onyx]

i don’t really get why, you wouldn’t spawn back with anything

[lethal moat]

I won’t let that raptor get the satisfaction, plus it would be funny

[icy onyx]

also the idea of mini camps is interesting

also maybe pteras could attack the helicopters??

[icy onyx]

i see

[lethal moat]

You seen Tapwing’s hyper quetz unofficial art?

[icy onyx]

i haven’t seen a LOT of the art

but i fricken love quetz, show me

[lethal moat]

You want to join the lore server while I find the image?

[icy onyx]

i was just about to say “i know it’s far fetched but i really hope the third apex is quetz, they could attack the copters”

[icy onyx]

uh yeah sure!

(where would i find the server inv)

[lethal moat]

DMs

Also, here is that hyper quetz unofficial art

[strange shell]

meteor niche

[lethal moat]

Herrera already has that covered

[strange shell]

Bigger meteor niche

[lethal moat]

Fair

[rapid chasm]

Oh boy, you can't load a AR one round at a time, you also can't load a pistol one round at a time.

[strange shell]

Unless it's specifically made for doing so
It seems all weapons in the game are custom-made

[rapid chasm]

You can only rely on revolvers and shotguns, along with bolt action weapons for that

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sit-back-and-watch-gif-11810130

[low scarab]

-416,683.56, 204,824.23, 27,837.251

why have i never seen this before

what do they need isopropal alcohol for

[meager junco]

Usually anti freeze from my knowledge but that wouldn’t make much sense here

[thin vine]

its pretty useful

[low scarab]

will be fed to the dinos lol

"warning sings"

Don whoops

[meager junco]

Tf is that an actual warning??!!

[maiden sundial]

Yes.

[low scarab]

most likely a joke but yes it is in game

[meager junco]

I mean-we got the whole lineage displacement thing, wouldn’t surprised if AE is really this dark

[low scarab]

ae is dark but im fairly confident thats a joke

[meager junco]

I’ll laugh if they keep this in even the final game’s stage

[low scarab]

and what are these two boxes ones got an electric symbol on it the other one i dont have any idea what it is

actually the electric thing looks like the lid for the other container lol

[low scarab]

also what is this anyway like a generator?

[meager junco]

Ik what these are but I forget the name…

Fuse box

Had to look it up lol

[acoustic osprey]

typical 90s/80s fuse boxes didn't look like this

[rapid chasm]

fuse box

[meager junco]

Remember, AE ain’t your typical company

[acoustic osprey]

it's 100% a Junction Box

in which it refers to such on the box top

In this case, it operates at 220 volts

However, it is important to note.
Typical American voltages is 120V

[meager junco]

Didn’t run say they might be EU?

[patent ginkgo]

That was a separate device, but potentially

[acoustic osprey]

So, unless the devs didn't do their research, we can 100% draw out American-owned/American-ran

[acoustic osprey]

it could be european
But it's very iffy right now.

[patent ginkgo]

Clearly Isaac runs AE so it’s Australian

[acoustic osprey]

But I'm more in favour it being European ran

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-talking-gif-25364693

[meager junco]

Learning AE origin country could def help us in some degree, but I find it interesting if they are European and have chosen the whole Greek mythology

[acoustic osprey]

They could be Greek

[meager junco]

That be too cliche tho….right?

[acoustic osprey]

But, Greeks are a LOT less religiously challenged.
Almost all are Orthodox

I would not expect a Greek Company, ran in Greece, to turn Hellenistic

[meager junco]

Hmmm

[steel summit]

Æ is [insert nationality here]

[acoustic osprey]

An English or more Western Country in Europe? Sure

better economy to work off, if you want to be literal.
And more open to idea of Ancient Religion (religious cults)

whether organised or not

[meager junco]

Does Italy have a good economy?

[steel summit]

western europe does make sense

[meager junco]

I truly don’t know

[patent ginkgo]

Biosyn moment

[acoustic osprey]

it was ok

[meager junco]

Unless…in this universe, Europe is the biggest country like how the USA is

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, the alps would be a nice place to start a company for remote research

[steel summit]

from a quick google search it seems to be declining

[meager junco]

Damn

[acoustic osprey]

HECK
If you want Olympus to be it's own "area"

Why not put your Olympus IN the clouds? (Alps)- if you want to stay "Euro-central" with AE

[patent ginkgo]

True

[acoustic osprey]

better economy in that area
more away from people- than the actual mount olympus

[steel summit]

does make sense

[meager junco]

I’d love for Olympus to be on a huge mountain somewhere on another island but, I doubt that’ll be the case

[acoustic osprey]

who knows for the time being.
I'm going to place my bets Olympus CC is on Gateway (maybe the volcano)

[steel summit]

for a stand-alone company like Apollo switzerland does make sense (also norway, though its less central)

[acoustic osprey]

but if Olympus (HQ) and Olympus CC are different things
then I can imagine either on a remote island, within some very extreme seclusion

or The Alps

[acoustic osprey]

I'd prefer that if they were more Germanic/Northern Indo-European in their style of Gods pickery
eg. Nordic cult-based (Heathenry/Asatro)

[steel summit]

yeah

[meager junco]

I could see AE as German

That or French(idk why French but it screams to me that they might be)

[patent ginkgo]

I feel like AE is Germanic in some way, but that’s probably just the engineering part

[acoustic osprey]

Where it would still make sense for them to originate from Italy/Northern Italy
As they, being of Romanus descent, were connected via Greek Mythos (later, Roman mythos. But, heck, I'm up for a blend of Greek and Roman in AE. Especially since Augustus exists, and that's Roman)

[meager junco]

Yeh we forget Apollo might be in one country while the branches are in others

[acoustic osprey]

I could possibly see being linked with Germany, somehow.
Being that their engineers are pretty great

however, then you might place yourself in a bit of a cold-war situation then

[patent ginkgo]

Oh yeah

[acoustic osprey]

that is, if they go back to the 80s

[patent ginkgo]

AE probably existed during the late Cold War

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as west and east reunited in 1990

probably not then.

Unless AE was founded in the 90s (as per the date range in the roadmap)

and Apollo, itself, was earlier

[lethal moat]

I’m starting to think something along those lines as well

[acoustic osprey]

in which I would place Apollo away in it's origin country

[lethal moat]

My thought is that AE existed for awhile, but that’s when it peaked

[acoustic osprey]

I would note Apollo itself

rather than AE

[patent ginkgo]

I mean, it seems like gateway was fully populated in 1994-1999, so I would expect the company to have existed for a while before that

[lethal moat]

Those doves probably took awhile to build

[acoustic osprey]

however it's not clear
if it's AE Software that started in 94
or AE itself
https://gyazo.com/847d45f7eddd57ede680049784c3db00

[steel summit]

building doves moment

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah, and the research would’ve taken ages too

[acoustic osprey]

I would put, probably, "Apollo Engineering Software" as a mini-subsidiary under AE

being more it's tech-side for AE itself

so, it's possible that AE used 3rd party software

problem is, would AE WANT the possibility of 3rd parties finding out what they do?

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah that’s true

[acoustic osprey]

or was '94 the rough time they started doing Dinos/crazier RnD things
so they decided to make their own Software

[meager junco]

Do we have any idea what AE did at all in the real world

[acoustic osprey]

as in what they made? or contributed?

[lethal moat]

Food

[patent ginkgo]

Agriculture, I’m assuming bioengineering

[meager junco]

Contributed as Ik what they made

[acoustic osprey]

^ at least, prior to Dino production and RnD

I don't think Don stated whether if or if not they stopped food production

[acoustic osprey]

Ah, Botany research and Food at the bare minimum

[patent ginkgo]

Sounds like bioengineering to me

[steel summit]

wasnt it Apollo that started with agriculture/food, or Æ

[meager junco]

That’s what I meant….

Not AE

[patent ginkgo]

Which is why I think the replicator was made as a way to more quickly produce bioengineered crops

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message

[steel summit]

ah okay

[meager junco]

Oh ok so Apollo itself is food and AE botany

[acoustic osprey]

we can't say for certain

[meager junco]

Minor mistake

[acoustic osprey]

if Apollo made Food
As the continued messages refer about just general AE

[patent ginkgo]

Again, sounds like AE is bioengineering, like with gmo crops

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

[meager junco]

What if….the plan was never to create the perfect human…but the perfect plants, plants that can survive harsher conditions that regular ones could, giving AE an everlasting supply to sell to the public

[patent ginkgo]

That’s what I’m sayin

[acoustic osprey]

then they thought
"hold on, dinosaurs are so much cooler!"

[mortal hound]

What are we lorin about lorelings

[patent ginkgo]

Origins

[steel summit]

hyper plants were a concept iirc

[meager junco]

We’re just losing our mind

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[meager junco]

Oh yeh true

[mortal hound]

oh

[lethal moat]

Another unanswered ‘why’ question

[patent ginkgo]

I would do that

[lethal moat]

On the topic of hyper plants

[mortal hound]

I love plants

[meager junco]

But maybe Gen 2 was also meant to be the perfect labourer for all these new crops

Kinda out there but atp we don’t got much

[steel summit]

slavery

[lethal moat]

The redwood trees inside the hexadome would not have had enough time to grow to full size if they were normal trees, thoughts?

[patent ginkgo]

Uh oh

[meager junco]

Shhhh….they free

[mortal hound]

Is it slavery if you literally made them though?

[patent ginkgo]

Depends on how long the domes were there

[lethal moat]

Yes

[mortal hound]

oh

[steel summit]

ask them

[lethal moat]

I wouldn’t guess more than 100 years tho

Which is how long redwoods take

[patent ginkgo]

Nah but like 40 I could see

[lethal moat]

They’d be about normal pine tree sized

[meager junco]

I feel like a lot of the vegetation was probably pushed to grow, especially if they had dealings in botany

[patent ginkgo]

They get to 50 ft in 20 years

[meager junco]

Instead of 100 it would take 25

[mortal hound]

And food mayhaps

Growing vegetation for food

[steel summit]

i mean they have dinosaurs that can grow to full adult in a few hours, big redwoods in less than 50 years wouldnt be too far fetched

[patent ginkgo]

I could see the redwoods being bioengineered like some irl crops to grow faster, as an attempt to save the species maybe

[meager junco]

I mean like just the isles vegetation in general was all forced to grow faster

[lethal moat]

I just don’t think the redwoods in the hexadome would have grown naturally

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-eye-twitch-the-amazing-digital-circus-eye-twitching-going-insane-gif-11412862435932405551

[meager junco]

That’s my theory ftm at least on plants on the islands

[steel summit]

us

[meager junco]

Since AE is probably more than comfortable dealing with something like that

[lethal moat]

*us on a good day

[mortal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-golden-freddy-gif-18155646127731202243

Anyway

[patent ginkgo]

I certainly think AE is based in bioengineering, but why are they bioengineering dinosaurs is the real question

[meager junco]

The question

[lethal moat]

I want to know why tho, most the ‘why’ questions are still unanswered

[steel summit]

why not?

[meager junco]

We’ll never know!

[lethal moat]

D a n g e r

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't disagree
It's the most on the nose aspect of AE, I'd say

[steel summit]

who cares

dinosaur

[acoustic osprey]

as they work with dinos and are called Apollo "Engineering"

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sloth-no-thanks-i-choose-life-sid-ice-age-gif-15787186

[meager junco]

Plz as long as it’s not “military” purposes

[mortal hound]

Maybe they created dinosaurs to avoid animal rights laws or something idk

[steel summit]

mans too scared to be sacrificed to the replicator

[meager junco]

Extinct animals have no rights so that’s always been a theory of mine

[mortal hound]

Coolio

[patent ginkgo]

We also have to remember that it’s not just dinosaurs, as they also work on pterosaurs, crocodilians, and megalania

[mortal hound]

Poor megalania being in its own category lmao

Outcast

[lethal moat]

It sounds cool in theory, but irl I’d choose a more passive animal to replicate, but apparently dinosaurs are ‘unfortunate but necessary’

[meager junco]

Yeh I feel like that extra stuff isn’t gonna affect the lore that much, they were more added due to the community asking for them

[steel summit]

but irl I’d choose a more passive animal to replicate
like humans?

[meager junco]

Not saying you’re wrong btw but I feel like megalenia isnt something that would interest AE as much as Rex or Trike

[lethal moat]

Hecc no, tuna sounds like my first choice

[steel summit]

well first of all they didnt make the creatures for food so why would they make tuna?

[lethal moat]

Depends on ‘why dinosaurs’

[mortal hound]

Humans are the most docile things on planet earth as history suggests

[lethal moat]

We don’t know why dinosaurs are unfortunate but necessary, so we’ll find out

[steel summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-bicycle-riding-cowboys-cowboy-gif-1022948746026166453

[patent ginkgo]

Mega lived with human irl iirc

[meager junco]

Cause the CEO is John Hammond THE END

[mortal hound]

Merica

[lethal moat]

Early human ancestor

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-point-jurassic-park-john-hammond-gif-22069939

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, around 40,000 years ago

[lethal moat]

It’s either a CEO or a board of directors, then the other one

[mortal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/spared-no-expense-jurassic-park-gif-24788506

[meager junco]

I like the old illusive man from legacy

[acoustic osprey]

it's likely that Austalian Aboriginals caused the extinction of Megalania
or Mega had minimal food due to such

[patent ginkgo]

If Isaac is 40000 years old he would have lived with megalania cause it was in Australia

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-i-really-hate-that-man-richard-attenborough-john-hammond-gif-17624850

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!!

[lethal moat]

I’d like to give whoever in charge of deciding dinosaurs my opinion by introducing them to venom rats

[mortal hound]

Isaac you old fossil!!! Hahaha

[mortal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-john-hammond-jurassic-park-gif-16041604

[lethal moat]

Northwestern Australia if I remember correctly, which is still largely unexplored due to it being a massive death trap

[mortal hound]

How is it a death trap

[patent ginkgo]

Australia moment

[meager junco]

Maybe he’s in a special chamber like Mr house from FNV

[mortal hound]

Also true

[lethal moat]

Deadly animals and outback

[mortal hound]

What’s the problem with empty plains

Deadly animals I get

[acoustic osprey]

Desert and shrublands, plus hot grasslands

[mortal hound]

Heat maybe actually

[mortal hound]

Yeah ok

[lethal moat]

Wonder if there is going to be a desert biodome, or a winter one

[mortal hound]

Literally!

[patent ginkgo]

Anywho, my point is that megalania doesn’t fit with anything else in phylogeny or time period, so my guess is that it’s an experiment of sorts into de-extinction

[lethal moat]

Minmi sidewinder niche

[mortal hound]

I think that AE realized lizard cool and funny and added haha lizard

[lethal moat]

The thing is, if they wanted dinosaurs to test on them, why would they ever release them into an ecosystem?

You’d have to go capture them in order to test on them

Might be something to do with tracking chips and whatnot

[mortal hound]

Indominus Rex

[lethal moat]

I feel like it’s something to do with either behavior or stress or something

[meager junco]

That’s where I start asking what we’re the fences built for, keeping things in, or out

[lethal moat]

But dinosaurs have been freely roaming for awhile, those gates would likely be mostly for the strains

[meager junco]

We just need to see the remaining perimeter fence tbh, as Ik there’s still some work to do on it

And there’s also a dam coming near NE if I’m not mistaken

[lethal moat]

I don’t think the fence will go completely around, plus, we know that something is capable of destroying them

[meager junco]

That’s true I meant like the sections where there’s missing like a km of fence but restarts not far away

NE Has a few spots like that I think

[lethal moat]

Unless that’s purposeful, but if they do fence stuff in entirely, it would give me a few more theories

[meager junco]

Yeh I’m sure that at least a good chunk of NE and east plains is supposed to be contained

It be a perfect habitat for most creatures they’ve made

[lethal moat]

If AE fenced everything in, they could create a bunch of mini ecosystems to test different things

[meager junco]

Jurassic world evolution 3 when

[lethal moat]

It’d also make mapping the different sectors easier

[meager junco]

I haven’t seen any other fences on the island so I’m curious if NE plains and east plains was supposed to be the original habitat for the dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

There are several scattered around

[inland notch]

Is there a good youtube video that distills the current prevailing theories on the lore?

[meager junco]

Can’t ever tell where they are exactly i need a map of the cutoff sections

[lethal moat]

Not all of them no, there are several in the works as well as a podcast

[lethal moat]

And there’s also the question of in or out

[lethal moat]

We have the lore docs in the pinned comments, that’s about as good as you’ll get currently

[inland notch]

Any good creators to check out? I love the atmosphere and setting of The Isle

[meager junco]

Yeh especially with one of the domes being directly connected to the perimeter fences

Maybe the Dino’s come out from the domes but that’s a lil silly lol

[lethal moat]

Lightclaw is a friend of mine who makes good stuff on the isle lore

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[inland notch]

Yeah, I think I just watched a video from him

[lethal moat]

Owlstein makes good videos on growing

[inland notch]

The thing I've gathered is our consciousness is put into dinosaurs? I like that idea

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slap-slap-cat-cat-fighting-cat-fight-meme-gif-18426761355600388091

[inland notch]

No one likes that idea anynore?

[lethal moat]

Bad, not currently confirmed, that’s from legacy

[inland notch]

Ahhhhhhh

[lethal moat]

I just don’t like the idea personally, but it could still pop back up

[meager junco]

Rumps reaction to EIPS will never get old

[lethal moat]

EIPs are gucky

[inland notch]

I was getting some kind of "this is hell and we're all stuck as dinosaurs" thing

[meager junco]

They are

[lethal moat]

Now it’s more sci-fi experiments and shtuff

I would highly reccomend checking out the doc Isaac and I have in pinned comments if you want to know stuff

We also have a lore server if you’re willing to sell your souls to the cause

[inland notch]

Ok, I'm at work right now but I'll check when I get home

[lethal moat]

Bet

[inland notch]

I love the tinfoil hat deep lore stuff. I was addicted to neverbegameover back in the day

[lethal moat]

Yeah, we got a lot of that in the lore server

[steel summit]

though keep the tinfoil hat off, let the raidowaves scramble your brain

[lethal moat]

We’ve beaten the military/alien theories for AE to death, they are false and do not exist, I hope to do the same to EIPs

[lethal moat]

Neuros

Tinfoil hat protects from neuros

That would be funny to see in game tho lol

[inland notch]

Yeah, military and alien angle seem a little played out

[steel summit]

let them control you, it wont hurt (said by echidna)

[inland notch]

I've seen some people suggest it's all a simulation in some of the times I've glanced at this channel

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slap-slap-cat-cat-fighting-cat-fight-meme-gif-18426761355600388091

[inland notch]

Yeah, I don't like that idea either

Very boring idea

[lethal moat]

I like the idea of the island being an irl simulation, trying to replicate conditions seen in real life in a real life scenerio

[inland notch]

My biggest question is what's up with the mercs? That would suggest that it's all real and that there is some society that knows about the island right?

[steel summit]

gen 2 are creations

[lethal moat]

Nope, Gen 2 are genetically created by AE, probably on other islands, the public doesn’t know about dinosaurs

[inland notch]

So what's the point of the mercs if AE made them?

[lethal moat]

We don’t know, recapture the island and possibly other experiments are what they’ll do, we don’t know why tho

[inland notch]

Interesting

[lethal moat]

Gen 2> mercenary, Gen 2 don’t get paid (probably)

[inland notch]

Idk you're giving more and more credence to consciousness being put into bodies in my opinion

Clone bodies to put your super secret delta ops boys into so you don't have to recruit anyone new and possibly untrust worthy

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 are people but not human (technically)

[lethal moat]

No clones

[inland notch]

Well still created peoole is all I mean

Artificial humans

[lethal moat]

Technically not people, but yeah, they’ll be in charge of recapturing the island

They weren’t always there though, before the fall, there were likely either just humans or a mix of Gen 2 and humans

[acoustic osprey]

synthetic humans

unless they are specifically clones

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[inland notch]

Yeah, I like the idea of artifical bodies that AE are loading up with consciousness to fight the dinos

[acoustic osprey]

no fight

[inland notch]

Like an army of Muldoons that can just keep getting killed

[lethal moat]

A double barrel would be cool for Gen 2

[lethal moat]

The thing is, both sides can continuously create more, but one side has Gen 1 and dinosaurs while the other side has Gen 2s

[inland notch]

Are we so certain there's two distinct factions in this situation?

Like two opposing forces? Or is that speculation

[steel summit]

gen 1 will probably be its own thing and not on the "dinosaur side"

[lethal moat]

Nope, probably way way more, but it’s simpler to think about it as Replicator vs AE

[acoustic osprey]

not specifically factions

but we have, at least, Gen1s abducting Gen2s (potentially sacrificing them)

[lethal moat]

Basically, we have a rough outline of groups, but you are free to do what you want, you can kill other gen 2s or gen 1s

[steel summit]

sadly we do not know the purpose of gen 2 though

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[inland notch]

Yeah that's my main question. Where are they from and what are they doing

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/monstersinc-sully-mike-door-put-that-thing-back-gif-4553929

[inland notch]

I will go with the army of Muldoons re-taking the island for my headcannon for now

[lethal moat]

Fair

[meager junco]

Where they’re from is the replicator , she’s basically their goddess in their eyes

[lethal moat]

We aren’t sure about Gen 2 being from the replicator tho

Just gen 1

[meager junco]

Ohhh my bad I misread

Gen 2 would prob be more lab made imo, just cause I have a feeling they knew something wasn’t right after trying to make Gen 1 with the replicator

[lethal moat]

Unless there is more than 1 replicator

[meager junco]

Rump stop I’m about to lose my mind

I can’t deal with 2 replicators

[lethal moat]

We don’t know how many islands there are

[inland notch]

So is the replicator the AI thing that's in all the lore vague posting?

[lethal moat]

It’s confirmed, it exists, and it’s gen 1’s god

[meager junco]

I mean I’d assume there’s only 1 replicator with multiple islands, the question is, do GUTS connect all these islands? Would be a massive job to do but I’m sure they could somewhat pull that off

[lethal moat]

I’d rather boats connect them, but AI is tricky, could be multiple versions of the ai on multiple islands

[meager junco]

That’s true I didn’t think about that

[lethal moat]

Think about it: dodo island led by a peaceful replicator

[meager junco]

Not actual multiple replicators but she’s gotten her systems into other things

[lethal moat]

Have the islands be different factions like Warhammer, Gateway is a chaos world, Gen 2 islands are space marines, that could be interesting

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[inland notch]

Doesn't sound Grim and edgy enough for what I understand the rest of the lore to be

[lethal moat]

Just a theory, but different islands having different purposes wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility

[inland notch]

If the gen 1's are supposed to be messed up genetic abominations then I don't think we'll get dodo Island. I'm definitely on the idea that AE somehow messes everything up and got everyone's brains stuck inside if dinosaurs somehow

And maybe the gen 1s too

And maybe Gen 2 is there to reverse it

[lethal moat]

I doubt that because I hate EIPs, but I see Gen 1s as more of a failed experiment turned learning experience rather than as actual people

[inland notch]

Well yeah but imagine your consciousness stuck in the brain of a monster. Even if you are an actual.person it's not like you can behave like that anymore when you have totally different brain chemistry influencing your wants and needs

[lethal moat]

I just don’t like EIPs because yucky

[inland notch]

I'd be ok with that idea. It's super out there as far as plot points go but it's a cool idea. And fits in with the "edgy" nature of some of the other lore

[lethal moat]

The thing is, AE isnt planned to be a ’generic evil company’ it probably has some sort of plan for the betterment of something, idk

[inland notch]

Yeah but that makes the idea of them getting stuck in the Dino bodies even more tragic. They try to do the impossible and help people and they still end up in a hell of their own creation

[lethal moat]

Maybe, totally possible, just not what I want, EIPs are something we need to ask Dondi about

[acoustic osprey]

You'd need a bridging aspect to allow that to make more sense

if EIPs existed, which I don't mind.
Such could happen

[inland notch]

That's what I would omagine

[acoustic osprey]

but, EIPs were on the level of AE actually placing minds into Dinosaurs

[inland notch]

I'm still a novice about the lore so I'm just spiballong what I think would be cool

[lethal moat]

Let the dinosaurs be dinosaurs, I just like big scary reptiles

[acoustic osprey]

as an in-game reason for the human-like movements and actions of Dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

They are adding systems to make them act more like animals tho, migrations being what I’m specifically referencing

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[inland notch]

Interesting thought, I would chalk that up to Dino brain chemistry messing with the human consciousness

[acoustic osprey]

the actual aspect of migrations isn't, though, just stuck with non-humanoid animals though

[inland notch]

You can't remove all human behavior from players by adding systems

[acoustic osprey]

Migrations have been a thing throughout many human cultures, and just generally all humans

Look at Roma people and Jewish peoples

who constantly migrated from area to area

[lethal moat]

I just want my dinosaur to be big and scary, rather than having a nerd strapped to a computer controlling my scary lizard

[acoustic osprey]

or just general migration of peoples prior to proper feudal systems

i.e. Aboriginals, Indo-European migrations with Celts, etc

[inland notch]

My brother in christ that's what is happening in real life

[lethal moat]

I was about to say the same thing lol

[acoustic osprey]

if you take away the whole aspect of a human, besides their brain.
and place them within a dinosaur

making them more rural and less "techno" based

migrations are not that far-fetched if you want to survive

[inland notch]

Not even their brain. Just the consciousness within the brain

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

My main thing is I want the thousand life contract to be different

[inland notch]

Idk what that is

[acoustic osprey]

I just hope it's an in-game thing still

like with Khorne

[acoustic osprey]

most of what I can explain is that it's quite a literal thing, practically