isle-lore-theories

[icy onyx]

I could see Gen 2's being post evacuation

[light nacelle]

If nothing else, Gateway gives a pretty good indication that things went drastically wrong for them, and I can't imagine they were (intentionally) still trying to play house at that point.

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 are coming down the line sooner than I expected, given the full concept art has been revealed now

[light nacelle]

With the number of busted-open fences and doors.

[icy onyx]

or drastically right for someone

[light nacelle]

They could have released the Gen 2's after to try and keep research going, I suppose.

[meager junco]

probably just there to gather information and lost tech that AE doesn’t want to manually get themselves if they’re post evacuation

[light nacelle]

THAT'S TRUE

[acoustic osprey]

About to watch vid
Something bad happens to Augustus?

[signal pivot]

hmmm 👀

[acoustic osprey]

I see this being more the case

[light nacelle]

Just that he gets locked up eventually and the Hererra genome adjusted bc they found the climbing thing a positive, so all replicated & natural births from then on could do it too

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

Because Latin name not Greek!!!

[light nacelle]

Also we have conformation of a Rex specimen called Shirley

[crystal cairn]

let's hear the spitfire thoughts you have afterwards, enjoy!

[light nacelle]

Who spooks Augustus off at one point by roaring in the distance

[crystal cairn]

SHirley, the rex you hear calling in the distance

[light nacelle]

Yeah

[lethal moat]

Maybe Shirley the rex>

[patent ginkgo]

I love the fact that a Herrera is named Augustus

[crystal cairn]

oh my bad I thought you were asking I didn't scroll up

[icy onyx]

I love that AE names their special dinos. It's cute

[light nacelle]

And if we assume this is "canon" and takes place in that one cliffside base on Gateway, then...

[acoustic osprey]

And also
hyper evolution, practically?

Or are they editing the genome per batch and seeing if it goes well?

[light nacelle]

They were having a VERY bad time.

[meager junco]

Wonder what makes shirley so special she was named

[acoustic osprey]

Shame it's not a more classical Greek name

[proud wedge]

I only saw the troodons in the front, didn't know they were so many. lol.

[acoustic osprey]

Where is this from?

[light nacelle]

The newest dev blog!

[signal pivot]

looks like wholesome family fun to me

[lethal moat]

Devblog, we also got more gen 1 stuff

[crystal cairn]

wonder why it would be seen as a positive if that's the case, more so I figured it was kept for observational purposes

[acoustic osprey]

Nice

[proud wedge]

Maybe, she too can climb. :)

[light nacelle]

I assume because it proved the dinosaurs could evolve themselves, or learn behaviors.

Clearly, Augustus was chewing on cameras with purpose. He kept coming back to do it.

[acoustic osprey]

So it is hyper eccentricated evolution?

[light nacelle]

I assume so, yeah

the video gives that indication

[cinder atlas]

Today is a good day for lore

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-sweet-nice-gif-18348556

[lethal moat]

It is indeed

[acoustic osprey]

Nice
Basically we assume the same with feathered galli

[lethal moat]

And the next week will be great for content creation

[signal pivot]

I love food

[icy onyx]

Love this line

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987787300090044426/1017533795597041785/caption-2-1.gif

[lethal moat]

So do I

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-dont-you-dare-gif-21943972

[acoustic osprey]

Funny Tartarus

[light nacelle]

Augustus is the only Herrera up to that point who could climb - none of the other specimens before that showed any indication, which to me tells me either it got taught or it somehow realized it was advantageous to do.

But even then, why chew the cameras

[acoustic osprey]

Ah
So it seems they have pushed back Tartarus from being a creation facility
To actual Tartarus, jail. Holding facility

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

[icy onyx]

Well, who would want the cameras gone?

[light nacelle]

It could be both, I suppose

[proud wedge]

maybe to hide something?

[meager junco]

She hates hoomans
But it’s possibly just an interest thing, seeing as the light flashes on the camera when it active

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[lethal moat]

HMMMMMMMM, if only we could think

[light nacelle]

"You get sent to meet the Gen 1's" LOL

[lethal moat]

I'd be great to know how soon this was before the abandonment of the island

[acoustic osprey]

Sounds like a lot of stress
Unless Tartarus is less a specialised facility and more so a general area

Possibly akin to Perimeter

[icy onyx]

||She? ||

[lethal moat]

Bigg pittt

[light nacelle]

I have to assume a little while, given they had the manpower to find and capture a specific specimen and gay baby jail him.

[cinder atlas]

ARE YOU READY FOR ENTOMBMENT BROTHER?

[stiff lintel]

Tartarus sounds like a punishment for personnel.

[light nacelle]

And

[meager junco]

Gen 1s get feasts whenever someone in naughty

[acoustic osprey]

True to the name

[light nacelle]

wasn't it made clear that natural birthed creatures weren't tracked?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-fish-spongebob-mocking-spongebob-fish-meme-gif-20977906

[stiff lintel]

I like being tracked.

[fair arrow]

I dont

Then they can't find me

[stiff lintel]

I'm pretty sure you can only track dinosaurs from one of the human bases on the Island.

[light nacelle]

Oh yeah, I just mean lore wise

[stiff lintel]

This to me makes sense gameplay-wise

[acoustic osprey]

we have K15 and I12
It is likely now that we have a name for another Human post

H4

[stiff lintel]

NGl, I would probably adopt an Allo. Those things are so adorable as babies.

[lethal moat]

Alright, so I'm beginning to see a trend, the actual humans will most likely have hazmat or HVAC suits, and gen 2 will be more of the free humans in the arts that we continue to see

[stiff lintel]

But what exactly is the purpose of Gen 2s.

Perfecting the human genome?

[patent ginkgo]

Ah, very much suggesting a bio-experiment on an island scale

[icy onyx]

Yes, and they're def being used for testing

[light nacelle]

Probably, and general "we don't want to send actual humans to do this"

[stiff lintel]

If so, then why? What's on the island that required Bio-Engineered humans?

[lethal moat]

We know they'll be able to recapture bases, but given how poorly supplied they are, it is likely also an experiment for something

[acoustic osprey]

likely a showcase of "pre" with normal humans working within Apollo
and now the more bare and whatever they can find Gen2s

[light nacelle]

Gen 1's are... probably side-experiments they kept around LOL

[lethal moat]

Yessir

[light nacelle]

Or maybe they were like "hey, what happens if we mix humans with dino dna?"

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't say an experiement with Humans is a side experiment

[light nacelle]

To try and get better soldiers

Oh no like Gen 2's were probably what they WANTED

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
less military

[stiff lintel]

Technically the dinosaurs aren't even real dinosaurs.

[light nacelle]

Gen 1's don't strike me as the end goal, I should say

[stiff lintel]

Apollo Engineering is not a military research. It's medicine.

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
we only know Apollo Engineering went from food making to dinosaur making/bio-engineering

[stiff lintel]

As to why they created Dinosaurs? No clue.

[lethal moat]

I like how we have confirmation of multiple iterations for multiple dinos now

[light nacelle]

That's a big jump and I love it

[acoustic osprey]

Being, inspired by Greek Mythos
I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to make a "Perfected Human"

[lethal moat]

It's a big jump that dondi said had very few steps

[acoustic osprey]

apparently, it was less complicated and more a push

[stiff lintel]

If there's a zombie outbreak. Drop a few ceratos to clear out the mess.

[light nacelle]

I wonder if there's still a general outline of the Primal Carnage link (in spirit, not outright) to explain that.

Ie; they snagged a few specimens and went from there

[stiff lintel]

I think someone's said the Dinosaurs in The Isle aren't even genetically related to their real life counterparts as that would technically be impossible.

[acoustic osprey]

no zombies

[lethal moat]

I don't think it'd be risked, plus we know there is absolutely zero connection to outside media

[lethal moat]

Yep, just imitations, not clones

[light nacelle]

I don't mean LITERALLY, more so if like

[acoustic osprey]

genetically made funnies

[light nacelle]

They stole from a rival company and went from there

[acoustic osprey]

less jurassic park and more literally able to make whatever they want, roughly

[acoustic osprey]

Well, that was for Magnas
which is no longer canon

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/lip-bite-thinking-ahm-speechless-nothing-to-say-gif-13529528

[stiff lintel]

Or Type 0s if that hasn't changed.

[lethal moat]

Scrapped

[light nacelle]

You'd also think if their goal was strictly medicinal or perfecting just humans they wouldn't let the dinosaurs exist as like... animals, nevermind update them genetically.

[stiff lintel]

Of course.

[light nacelle]

Wonder what their goal is there.

[lethal moat]

The ever burning question

[acoustic osprey]

Apparently gone

[stiff lintel]

The Isle Takes place in the 90s?

[acoustic osprey]

quite certain now
at least "Pre-incident" stuff

[stiff lintel]

Right?

[light nacelle]

Especially because we now have direct evidence they saw an emergent behavior and wanted it added to the species as a whole. Then took the OG and vaulted him.

[lethal moat]

Wonder if thats how we got troodon venom as well

Most likely

[light nacelle]

That's a question. Could they adapt that quickly? Who knows.

[stiff lintel]

Or they added venom to Troodon and Dilo as their basal templates.

[light nacelle]

That's what I was thinking tbh. Not sure if they'd have had to tailor the venom or if it'd have been allowed to evolve "naturally" but that's me reaching far now.

Bc we can't know.

[stiff lintel]

Hence it being a theory.

[light nacelle]

Yeah

[slender swallow]

Seems like AE made several different variations of the same dinosaurs and chose specific ones to "mass-produce", could play into the mutation thing

[light nacelle]

Raptors and troodon interest me because its entirely possible their pack behavior was learned too.

And so this sort of

[lethal moat]

Yep

[light nacelle]

"Let them evolve and learn and we update them all" was how they worked across every species.

[stiff lintel]

Troodon isn't even a real dinosaur. AE Created that thing.

Like Omniraptor

[light nacelle]

Troodon terrify me because they're all sorts of entirely unnatural LOL

[stiff lintel]

Should have been named Apolloraptor but yea.

[patent ginkgo]

Wait this sounds like they’re engineering more perfect species… just like the idea behind gen 2

[light nacelle]

Omniraptor you can at least say is just a pack hunting utah with tweaks.

[patent ginkgo]

We may have found AE’s purpose

[lethal moat]

You: "They terrify me"
Also you: Changes pfp to one holding a limb the second you get it

[light nacelle]

Even the Dilo is smart enough to display crude sadism (ie; the laugh)

[light nacelle]

The art slaps I can't not LOL

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

well, a purpose
but i wouldn't place on endgoal

as it sounds quite open ended

[lethal moat]

Perfecting things, but that brings us back to the question of why dinosaurs

[light nacelle]

It does make me wonder how smart the dinos are in-verse.

Generally speaking.

[past crane]

Hate to interrupt but how much info do we have on Olympus?

[patent ginkgo]

True

[acoustic osprey]

this still sounds like "Tartarus" is a Creation Facility
in which, those not truly needed for higher purposes are just just left there

akin to the idea of Tatarus creating and holding (being, maybe, a proper hell for things entrapped)

[slender swallow]

Clearly for the production of bio-weapons and pharmaceutical reasons

[light nacelle]

Not much. Just that it's a place they store genetically unique specimens that are used to alter the genome.

[lethal moat]

No weapons

[light nacelle]

What if Tartarus is the island?

[acoustic osprey]

Likely the headquarters of Apollo/Apollo Engineering

[light nacelle]

Like as a whole?

[past crane]

alr thanks. I was checking if there was anything I hadn't managed to dig up

[stiff lintel]

Olympus, Tartarus was mentioned in the first segment of the files.

Olympus sounds like a whole bunch of projects and the Herrerasaurus "174" is a part of it.

[acoustic osprey]

No
We know Tartarus is within Gateway

gateway being a gateway into Tartarus

[light nacelle]

OH

[stiff lintel]

Tartarus is probably a dome.

[light nacelle]

I assume tartarus holds the strains, then

[acoustic osprey]

it's almost quite likely underground

[lethal moat]

Entombment is also interesting, since we know there is a place called the tomb akin to the library, maybe they keep old iterations inside hibernation/cryosleep?

[lethal moat]

Probably

[slender swallow]

I mean imagine you could inherently breed a dinosaur like Dilo or Omni to eventually be "domesticated" and then send it onto a battlefield. They would lick your average backwater country like it was nothing. We've already seen concept art of humans attaching camera equipment and harnesses to Quetz to use as a sort of drone I assume.

[patent ginkgo]

A genome library

[acoustic osprey]

likely, possibly, being part of/connected to Perimeter (the Hexadome)

[lethal moat]

That's what i'm thinking

[light nacelle]

This video also proves they can name specimens of interest without entombing them (like the rex)

[patent ginkgo]

And that they properly monitor individuals of interest

[lethal moat]

Maybe theyu can do it by sight, if not, the trackers likely help

[light nacelle]

Exactly yeah

[acoustic osprey]

I honestly presume Olympus is a larger area
maybe even an island itself

The Tomb might be a literal "Jedi Archives" for stuff like genomes, DNA patterns, etc
especially in which they find importance to

[lethal moat]

Right

[slender swallow]

Who actually does all the lore of Isle? Is a specific person or is it the whole team just... making it as they go?

[light nacelle]

Wonder if the Gen 1s are gonna keep their tribal aspect - wasn't it a thing that they used to worship some sort of being and sacrificed things to it?

[light nacelle]

I think there's a team wide design doc iirc

[slender swallow]

Ahh I see, thanks for clarifying

[lethal moat]

They still do that last we know, and they worship the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

left

[acoustic osprey]

Dondi

[lethal moat]

Up

[acoustic osprey]

but in terms of creating the actual pieces given (aka. The sheets, etc)
it's the art team for Afterthought

[slender swallow]

But yeah the whole weapon thing, maybe not use the Dinosaurs as weapons but we know for sure they seem to use them as tools in some regard. It will be reaaally interesting to see what other kind of messed up stuff human characters can do to the animals on the Isle, Like imagine that Quetz is a player just being forced to do whatever by a team of scientists, seems cool tbh

[acoustic osprey]

funny Drone Quetz!!

[light nacelle]

The idea of them being intelligent enough to form a religion but still predatory enough to hunt and rip things apart with tooth and claw is incredibly unsettling.

[slender swallow]

Look at him, lil idiot, standing there all proud in his dress blues

[lethal moat]

I feel like it's more of a mars rover style situation with the drone quetz, especially as we see more actual humans in hazmat suits

[light nacelle]

The same style hazmats as who got troodon'd in the dev concept art, I note

[brazen cradle]

So. Is Tartarus the location here creatures are made artificially?

[lethal moat]

Probably

[acoustic osprey]

Likely made and held
if need be

[slender swallow]

People are excited to use guns as humans but If I had to be entirely honest, running around doing science shenanigans in a hazmat suit running for your life half the time seems infinitely more fun and suits the horror side of the game

[lethal moat]

Yes, I think it's to clarify difference of gen 2 vs human

[lethal moat]

We shall see

[light nacelle]

So the dead guy outside may be a Gen 2 then

[lethal moat]

Actual human, not gen 2, if my theory is correct

[light nacelle]

Poor bastard

[lethal moat]

It would be from before when the island was abandoned

[light nacelle]

But things were clearly going BADLY wrong lmao

[lethal moat]

He signed an NDA and a covenant not to sue, that's on him

[acoustic osprey]

or it could be Gen2s who found old AE suits

[light nacelle]

I'm 98% that base is the one on the clifftop on gateway

By the swamp

[mild cairn]

Which concept art is this referring to?

[lethal moat]

Ah yes, the relocation of your lineage as well apparently

[light nacelle]

From the new dev blog one sec

[mild cairn]

Well that's horrifying

[light nacelle]

That's it

[lethal moat]

It's beautiful

[slender swallow]

Uh oh, bros got a little too silly

[light nacelle]

I'm POSITIVE that's the cliff base

Off to the left is the garage

I'd love to ask Tapwing if she had any particular area in mind

Wait no that could also be the checkpoint by the bridge I guess

[slender swallow]

I find it interesting that a Herrera would be interested in Cameras though, or even be intelligent enough to understand they can "see" him if thats why he destroyed them

[honest sierra]

So there is a Rex named “Sherily” and her name ID is 003

(In the herra video)

[lethal moat]

Thats what I was thinking, or something nopt seen in the stress test yet

[lethal moat]

Yis

[light nacelle]

This is what interests me the most tbh

[honest sierra]

Would that mean there are more Rexes?

[light nacelle]

Oh no doubt there are

[slender swallow]

One is coincidence, Two cameras? Thats a pattern

[lethal moat]

Something had to have taught it

[light nacelle]

Even as of that point they're breeding in the wild (presumably the paddocks hadn't been busted yet)

[slender swallow]

Augustus is one interesting little herrera, whatever his goals are

[honest sierra]

The rexes are still contained? Huh?

[lethal moat]

Don't know

[light nacelle]

Nah what I mean is that

[lethal moat]

This sums it up #isle-fan-art message

[slender swallow]

He did get a little too silly, AE discovered his bootleg Time Machine built from Stolen Security Cameras

[light nacelle]

As of that video of Auguste, they mention the Herrera genome was updated and that wild-born AND artifical herreras could climb from that point.

[slender swallow]

Augustus Climbed so Herreras could Fly, a pioneer

[light nacelle]

So they were letting the dinos breed in the wild, but things hadn't gone to hell enough that the paddocks were screwed (as of Gateway the map)

[lethal moat]

We think that it was similar to an experiment where you replicate something until you get the desired results, then only replicate that thing

[light nacelle]

Exactly yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Well
remove from your home country

[light nacelle]

Wonder how the Gen 1's learn of the replicator tbh

[slender swallow]

Theres so much to take away from that video the more you watch it, like... why is AE, a company thats not exactly eco friendly or animal friendly, go through the trouble of naming their assets? Shirley the T-Rex, Augustus the Herrera?

[lethal moat]

Watching the collective intelligence make decisions on lore both here and in the lore server is like watching someone sharpen a knife and test it

[honest sierra]

What is Tartarus and Olympus?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
it's looks similar to K15

but it reminds me of the one with the bridge gates

[lethal moat]

Maybe monicers to make things easier for employees

[lethal moat]

Tartarus is a creation/containment facility, olympus is the central hub

[light nacelle]

The one where you can take a right at the entrance and cross the bridge?

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus
Potential holding and creation facility
Olympus
Potential location/place, possible higher up area

[slender swallow]

True, could be some of the staff give them names as a tradition

[acoustic osprey]

if the bridge has gates
then likely so

[light nacelle]

It does yeah

[acoustic osprey]

but they are quite all similar

[safe ravine]

Yall already talk about tartarus?
It mentions it again in the video later but I didn't take a screen of it

[slender swallow]

Well, Olympus is where the Greek Gods Live
Tartarus is where they banished their enemies
Take from that what you will

[acoustic osprey]

however
the cameras refer to "Area GW_H4"
like the old K15

[lethal moat]

Yep, we already knew a little bit

[honest sierra]

So Tartarus is a place “they” put interesting/valuable specimens

Olympus is the island itself?

[lethal moat]

I know

[acoustic osprey]

down to you go to the pits of Hades

[acoustic osprey]

No. (For Olympus)

[lethal moat]

More likely a base on anisland

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-griffin-gone-crazy-insane-letter-l-gif-17135412

[honest sierra]

Ah ok

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus is said to be within Gateway
gateway being a gateway to Tartarus

[honest sierra]

Interesting

[acoustic osprey]

it was a place they made things in Legacy
likely the same with Evrima

but far more "Made and contained"

[honest sierra]

Could it be one of the bio-domes?

[acoustic osprey]

Domes
but likely no

[safe ravine]

In the context of the picture I sent it looks like tartarus is more of a "you did bad and we can't simply fire you and let you leave"
They also mention the remaining Herrera specimines also being relocated to tartarus.
Tartarus is where assets are disposed and employees terminated? Maybe?

[lethal moat]

I would love for GUTS and Perimiter to have the entrance to Tartarus

[slender swallow]

Im thinking Olympus is like the face of AE, probably some kind of main facility that the public and shareholders are "allowed" to see, to show AE aren't doing anything fishy, then Tartarus is basically their Guantanamo bay where all kinds of f'd up experiments go on

[acoustic osprey]

I don't presume Tartarus is within Perimeter
but could be connected

heavily presumed it is Underground

[light nacelle]

Dumb question; spiro and gateway are on the same island as far as we know, right?

[honest sierra]

Ah ok

[acoustic osprey]

well we know there is a Central Control called Olympus Central Control

[acoustic osprey]

Spiro is scrapped

[lethal moat]

Expatration

[icy onyx]

Maybe that certain tunnel?

[light nacelle]

OH

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOOO

[honest sierra]

Olympus is on another island and it is the main hub for AE?

[safe ravine]

Making me google words smh

[lethal moat]

Nadda

[light nacelle]

So spiro was just a test, Gateway is the new canon map? Good good

[slender swallow]

AE have their own D Class 😭 💀

[lethal moat]

Pretty much'

[acoustic osprey]

likely
I would presume a HQ-esque island/area

holding many things

[lethal moat]

The lore sever has made a bunch of comparions to SCP foundation

[acoustic osprey]

possible like The Tomb and holding the servers of Apollo Core

[safe ravine]

Spiro I don't think was ever meant to be canon in the state we were given it

[lethal moat]

Comes with the nature of the powers they deal with I imagine

[light nacelle]

I say it again but gen 1's being intelligent enough to have a religion but predatory enough to hunt with tooth and claw is incredibly unnerving to me

[honest sierra]

I see, that’s pretty interesting

Never knew isle lore was this deep, I always thought it was “haha funny Jurassic park style game”

[acoustic osprey]

no

[slender swallow]

There are a lot of similarities, its almost poetic when you take into account the wierd humanoid alien things and the Strain dinos

[lethal moat]

Check pinned comments, it gets deeper

[icy onyx]

We're all mad in here

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-incorrect-you-got-it-wrong-false-gif-8877109044393951791

[honest sierra]

Thank you for the knowledge lore wizards

[lethal moat]

We try

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987787300090044426/1017533795597041785/caption-2-1.gif

[honest sierra]

[slender swallow]

Dryo population when Carno was added tbh

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Dryo burrow will be interesting

[light nacelle]

'Troodon: Created from another dinosaur currently not in-game, a byproduct of an in-world character’s, “But what if we did this” to animal X…” -Dondi (Oct 25/26 2023)'

God this makes them more horrifying LOL

[lethal moat]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

😊

[lethal moat]

Thge lore server actuallyt discussed this earlier today lol

[slender swallow]

“But what if we made them even deadlier and difficult to contain… that won’t end badly right?”

[light nacelle]

Wonder if that means x dinosaur was out competed when they turned them into pack hunting venomous little assholes

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-willem-jeff-goldblum-jurassic-park-gif-23688539

[slender swallow]

I’m imagining Ian Malcolm finding Augustus’s stash of security cameras

“That is one big pile of CCTV”

[light nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-you-cant-escape-ill-chase-you-to-the-ends-of-the-earth-gif-16027185

Auguste when he sees a security cam

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-parker-im-gonna-put-some-dirt-on-you-eye-mad-gif-15750742

[light nacelle]

LOL

[lethal moat]

I do wonder how exactly that connects to the deeper lore, what taught lil man to do that?

[acoustic osprey]

It was you

[lethal moat]

That doesn't sound like something I'd do. unless the matriarch told me to

Anyway, organizing my AE folder now that we have so much stuff

[fair arrow]

they say lore is gonna be more common

YIPPPEEEEEEE

[acoustic osprey]

I'm thinking of doing a funny lore breakdown on the video

[acoustic osprey]

Certainly things that need to be identified and looked at in a funny video

[lethal moat]

I love it

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah!!!!

[fair arrow]

so herra wasnt meant to climb at first

[slender swallow]

Nope

[lethal moat]

It may have ment to and theyu purposely replicated it to give it climbing, but it didn't have it at first no

[slender swallow]

Is possible other variations "physically could" but had no real drive to climb like that, Augustus was the first they saw to exhibit that behaviour

[lethal moat]

Maybe, that brings us back to wether Augustus was taught stuff

[slender swallow]

trained to retrieve certain items in exchange for food or something

[fair arrow]

Why they destroy cameras tho

[lethal moat]

That is the question

[fair arrow]

like specifically the cameras

out of all things

[slender swallow]

Not just one either, two of them

[lethal moat]

I definitely agree, some sort of pattern

[fair arrow]

wasnt an accident

[slender swallow]

Bro was systematically destroying that bases threat response like something out of Aliens

[fair arrow]

maybe the lights on the cameras triggered him?

cause he didnt do it in the day

[slender swallow]

Augustus really said:

https://tenor.com/view/camera-hammer-fight-the-power-vandalism-destroy-gif-26673843

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/camera-breaking-the-twilight-zone-drop-the-camera-break-into-pieces-shatter-gif-21893517

[slender swallow]

I think he just might be devilishly smart and knew the cameras could "see" him somehow, perhaps from observation

[acoustic osprey]

Quite possibly

[fair arrow]

Because herra language is through the lights on their throat frill thingy's

maybe

[crystal cairn]

but he destroyed the camera not the lights right?

[slender swallow]

Dewlap?

[fair arrow]

Light is on the camera

[crystal cairn]

although that’s a great theory either way

[slender swallow]

Maybe those Cameras have some kind of Infrared and Herreras can see that or something? Idek

[fair arrow]

aside from that our friends the eyeless got concept arts again

[crystal cairn]

now I need to rewatch the video

[lethal moat]

That's not the eyeless, just a different design of gen 1

[fair arrow]

it has no eyes

[lethal moat]

Yes, but the eyeless are different

[fair arrow]

so, we will have the option to play as monsters or humans

[lethal moat]

Technically not humans, and monster is a subjective term, but yeah

[fair arrow]

it scares me so i call it monster

[lethal moat]

Ight

[fair arrow]

either way lots of lore

[lethal moat]

So much lore

[fair arrow]

and more coming so thats great

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-tom-and-jerry-train-panting-coming-to-get-you-gif-21454049

[icy onyx]

The more lore that comes out, the more medication I need

Went obsessed about triangles to obsessed over possible holes in a skull

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-it-is-part-plan-explain-gif-20448886

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[subtle goblet]

Yeah, I was also in the "Yay, Jurassic Park dinosaur fun! Wooo!" Then you start finding out there is so much more planned and you're like "Hammond didn't hold a candle next to AE."

[acoustic osprey]

There needs to exist a better iceberg image for Isle Lore honestly lol

[icy onyx]

So you're saying we should make one

[acoustic osprey]

uh ah uh oh

[steel summit]

Just woke up, saw the new stuff (devlog and video) and i can confidently say

YES

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[steel summit]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

As well as the familiar login screen and boot menu I also created concepts for a global archive, a chip tracking system, a trail cam and monitoring camera system

Chip Tracking System

Good to know they're properly reconfirmed back again for Evrima!

[steel summit]

yay

lore stuff coming in #isle-phase-three, yay

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hog-rider-coc-clash-of-clans-gif-24053135

one more update please

[steel summit]

yes

[robust pilot]

why is the herrera called Augustus tho

[steel summit]

cool name

[robust pilot]

i agree
But i would've used it for something a bit more.. important

[steel summit]

it was the first herrera climber

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, it'a Latin name

not really the most fitting for something based upon more Hellenistic mythos

[robust pilot]

right

[acoustic osprey]

(if you want to highlight more parallel importance)

but, yet nonetheless, it still shows that that Herrera was important

[sour rivet]

What if the Isle is the friends we made on the way

[slender swallow]

Behold!

My stuff…
📹📹📹📹

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-ring-bilbo-baggins-scary-face-gif-17471832

[gilded hornet]

ok ok i found what creature is in the Agustus vid

[low scarab]

About to go crazy in here

[gilded hornet]

its herarasaurus

look at the teeth ull see it matches the majority of the tooth line

[steel summit]

umm, okay good to hear

[acoustic osprey]

Damn

[oblique surge]

Did you guys figure out something cool from the video?

Also correct me if I’m wrong but it seems herreras werent meant to be climbing until one subject started doing it?

[steel summit]

perhaps, but if Apollo didnt like them climbing they could have just terminated Augustus, so maybe its like a happy accident or something

[oblique surge]

That’s what I understood as well, wasn’t planned but they liked it

Or happened at a time they couldn’t do anything about it

Hard to say

[steel summit]

yep

[low scarab]

Lineage displacement?????

[steel summit]

probably takes your entire bloodline with you

[low scarab]

I thought it would mean something like destroying family traditions or js not letting you keep your bloodline alive

[steel summit]

probably a little of both

[low scarab]

And I thought Tartarus was a place they keep creatures not a place where people can actually go

[steel summit]

by go, you mean get imprisoned right

[low scarab]

Yes

[steel summit]

aight

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
In Greek Mythos

It didn't just store Titans and Monsters
But humans too

[low scarab]

Who is not lore?

I only know Isaac

[steel summit]

Isaac

[low scarab]

Yes, but wouldn’t that be more of an execution than an imprisonment

[oblique surge]

Only if you were kept with the monsters

If it actually is a prison people probably have their own cells

[strange shell]

I'm picturing Tartarus as a prison where both extremely dangerous assets and misbehaving employees are locked side-by-side
"So here in cell 231 is the neurotenic spinosaurus, a being who has brain activity so high it can seize control of the mind of other living creatures, scramble electronic devices in a 250meters radius and call forth lightning as a weapon of mass destruction.
And right here in cell 232 is Jim, who tried to access the video of a herrera climing a tree. We told him not to."

[low scarab]

lol

[steel summit]

would be funny

[maiden sundial]

Think of it like an SCP. Do you want to be the security of SCP-682?

You don't want to be a guard of the strains.

[steel summit]

the matriarch is probably what could be called the closest to scp-682 in the Isle (a constantly evolving and adapting creature)

[low scarab]

I don’t rlly know anything about scp 💀

[low scarab]

But yea that makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-oh-boring-leprechaun-wah-oh-wah-oh-boring-wah-oh-dead-gif-27189059

[strange shell]

scp-682 isn't real guys

[acoustic osprey]

WHAT

[steel summit]

scp-682 -The hard to destroy reptile

basically just unkillable monster that wants to kill all life

[low scarab]

Isaac is dead guys

[acoustic osprey]

Zamn

[maiden sundial]

I know we're using it as an example.

Anyway, you don't wanna be one of the guards guarding the Hyperendocrin rexes. If one breaks out you're first on the killing block.

[acoustic osprey]

I don't understand the analogy

[steel summit]

if dangerous creature escapes you wanna be the furthest away

[maiden sundial]

If rexy escapes do you wanna be the guy that's RIGHT in front of rexy? Or the guy patrolling the triceratops enclosure.

[acoustic osprey]

But it doesn't make sense to the reply it was replying from

[acoustic osprey]

Above

[steel summit]

ah k

[acoustic osprey]

Like this

[acoustic osprey]

Doesn't make sense to this reply

[steel summit]

yeah

[icy onyx]

Skull hole!

[lethal moat]

Possibly, that’s still up for debate

I also think that “entombment” could be some sort of cryofreezing inside of a structure we already know exists, called The Tomb, to create a sort of Genome library

[steel summit]

maybe

[acoustic osprey]

I'd imagine The Tomb more of a physical area holding Digital Data about things
Such as the DNA samples and information of things, like Augustus

[steel summit]

make sense

[oblique surge]

Oh?

What’s that

[patent ginkgo]

A hole in the skull

[icy onyx]

In the video the first creature we see take down a camera appears to have a hole in its Maxilla area. ||(E= Eye, M= Maxilla, PMX= Pre Maxilla)||. You can see the light from the background through it. And I have doubts if it's even Augustus because there's no duflap or eye spikes that adult HRS have and the PMX isn't as boxy as HRS.

Also the fact that the times don't line up from video to video. So either they are 3 seperate days or they are being shown in reverse order

Should also add that even AE didn't classify it as being Augustus

Rumple thinks it's reflection of the creatures skin. Or it could be a camera glitch. Or the devs didn't notice it and it's a model glitch

[oblique surge]

Ohhhh interesting

[pure lodge]

Has anyone else brought this up??

[icy onyx]

yes

[ionic sable]

[oblique surge]

If it was a hole in the skull it’d have to be a completely new creature so I’m not very confident on it

[ionic sable]

Oh yeah.

It's all coming together.

[oblique surge]

I’m putting my money on light being reflected

Maybe from the camera?

[icy onyx]

It doesnt make sense tho

[pure lodge]

So it’s kind of like beipi where it was documented that the species are naturally evolving….albeit at an extreme rate that can happen in seemingly only like a few generations like how domestic pigs can revert to a wild boar within just a few generations

[icy onyx]

cameras dont glitch like that and we'd see more than just that one area giving reflections if its water on the skin

[lethal moat]

Getting more information on the process behind AE is always helpful

[ionic sable]

Indeed.

[icy onyx]

And we've seen an animal before with holes in it's skull (no I don't think it's quetz but it's not a impossibility of another animal having holes)

[honest sierra]

What do they mean by “original”

Aren’t they all clones/replications of an original?

[oblique surge]

Couldn’t it be reflecting off of the camera’s lens and onto the creature?

[lethal moat]

Yep, looks like AE goes through different iterations of each dino, kind of like coding

[lethal moat]

That’s what I think

[oblique surge]

Maybe its a troodon and the little bit of light is hitting its glowy spots

[icy onyx]

We'd see it on other areas of the creatures skull than just it's Maxilla

[honest sierra]

So like each iteration of a creature is an improved version?

[lethal moat]

I think it’s the Herrera Augustus, but that’s just me

[oblique surge]

Hmm I suppose so

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[honest sierra]

[tropic mirage]

What if the whole story about Evrima is that it was a fully only human land but then a King like tyrant over ruling all dinosaurs attacked the island and laid a ton of eggs.Maybe thats why there are so many buildings and in one of the mountains is the King like tyrant just waiting for its FINAL TERROR ON THE ISLAND!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

Best we can give you is a Matriarch and a replicator

[tropic mirage]

Just a thought

[acoustic osprey]

my summary of it:

It was the first and only documented case of a Herrerasaurus climbing. After this discovery, herrerasaurus development was re-based on 174, in which all offspring (natural and replications) showcased climbing capabilities

[tropic mirage]

XD

[lethal moat]

I mean, we could also include the Echidna, and it would cover basically all the bases that you made lol

[tropic mirage]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
we know Herrera's dewlap is only shown for communication

and not "always active"

[steel summit]

Echidna vs replicator who is the true leader of the gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as in this image, Augustus doesn't show his dewlap

[lethal moat]

I think Augustus is subadult

[acoustic osprey]

i would doubt that that creature isn't Augustus
as the video is about him

[acoustic osprey]

still, the dewlaps only show for communication/their light thingy

[lethal moat]

When the

[lethal moat]

I’m not familiar with what Herrera looks like as a subadult, but is their snoot a little pointier? That was a subject of debate for like an hour last night

[icy onyx]

its still very visible tho

[acoustic osprey]

snoot a little pointier
was it?

[acoustic osprey]

can't see it

[lethal moat]

Just in the outline bit, winters is better to talk about this than I am

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
you can't see the neck in the video with the from this #isle-lore-theories message

[icy onyx]

I really need to find that gif they had of Herrera growing but its skull pretty much kept its boxiness in the PMX area as it aged

Herrera being basil n all

[knotty locust]

one thing i want to point out too

augustus was "entombed" in tartarus

i assume this means it was frozen in ice or something

and not just "thrown into a cell"

[acoustic osprey]

No, Olympus

[lethal moat]

It never says in Tartarus, and we know “The tomb” is a sort of library, which makes me think it’s a genome library sort of thing

[knotty locust]

oh i misread

[acoustic osprey]

The replicants of Augustus were left into Tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

It's ok
I'll forgive you

[knotty locust]

i wont

[acoustic osprey]

FINE

[knotty locust]

[icy onyx]

Free my mans he did nothing wrong! Free Augustus from his icy prisonment!

[knotty locust]

took his rage out on a camera

destruction of private property

the lizard is going to court

[pure lodge]

Also I like how it’s implied the Rex in the video is named Shirley

[icy onyx]

Makes you question if AE names every animal or the special ones

If its the 2nd option what makes Shirley special

[pure lodge]

Maybe it contains the genes that can turn it into a hypo or something?

[knotty locust]

goddamn imagine giving every individual hypsilophodon a name

[honest sierra]

My troodons name is littlekneebiter3000

[pure lodge]

Also maybe AE names only the apex predators with certain smaller animals being exceptions like with Augustus

[acoustic osprey]

Not implied
Confirmed

[icy onyx]

Hypo

[acoustic osprey]

Things that have caused test success

[pure lodge]

Also might not be important but the Herrera has the same name as an ancient Roman emperor

Idk if that’s important for something but just a cool detail

Actually it could be taken as Augustus being the foundation for the rest of the herreras on gateway since the real life Augustus was the founder of the Roman Empire

[icy onyx]

Important stuff seems to have a more hellenic name so it's weird they went for more latin

[acoustic osprey]

A Latin name and title

While Greek-inspired lore

[lethal moat]

I think we should try and free Augustus once we find the tomb on gateway

[icy onyx]

Yes

[maiden sundial]

Scientists love naming their animals.

[acoustic osprey]

Albeit, we've had interesting different cultures and religions show in lore

[honest sierra]

Herrarasaurus ancient Roman warrior niche when?

[acoustic osprey]

Like Judaism through the tree of life

[pure lodge]

Also if these animals are so special why don’t they have radio collars? You could chalk it up to micro-chips but radio collars would be more easier since they break off after a certain amount of time for researchers to find it afterwards

[lethal moat]

They’ve got tracking implants

[icy onyx]

Only ones not chipped are naturals

[timber panther]

I think if it's a team of scientists they prob have some kind of trackers already in them

[lethal moat]

Yeah, if you look at the top left portion of your character tab screen, you can see tracking active and all that

[maiden sundial]

Let's be honest. There is going to be a silly named dinosaur eventually

[pure lodge]

Can’t wait for a 2 hour lore video

[acoustic osprey]

Let's name one after a random Islecord member

[pure lodge]

Case in point, Rex named Shirley

[acoustic osprey]

Like you @chilly thistle

[icy onyx]

Pterodactylus named Isaac

[pure lodge]

Dilophosaurus named Keith

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987787300090044426/1017533795597041785/caption-2-1.gif

[iron anchor]

isaac is a fitting name for a pterodactylus

[honest sierra]

Why did the team of scientists let the creatures loose on the island?

[lethal moat]

Nah, Isaac deserves the first successful neuro test

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-d-weide-bruh-larry-david-directed-by-gif-15337945

[maiden sundial]

Here's the neat part. They didnt.

[honest sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/escape-bye-leaving-break-out-freedom-gif-16077483

[icy onyx]

What would be named from you then?

[honest sierra]

We need an isle lore video sometime

[maiden sundial]

Pretty much. But replace that with a horde of the Gen 1, eyeless, and likely some of the carnivores from tartarus

[lethal moat]

The Matriarch’s first natural born child, or an Oviraptor, no in between

[icy onyx]

We've talked about doing it once more lore is out

[honest sierra]

Wuh!?

[honest sierra]

Yay!

[acoustic osprey]

Uh, Ah, thanks Rump

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/vsause-michael-michael-vsause-vsause-michael-gif-25125732

[pure lodge]

I thought the matriarch was not cannon

[acoustic osprey]

I am thinking of doing a lore breakdown of the recent vid

[lethal moat]

Can’t wait, now that we’ve seen gen 1 in a devblog and we know the first iteration of play testing was successful, we might get more about that, and maybe confirmation on the theory of gen 1 being the reason the island was abandoned

[honest sierra]

Please do it would be so cool

You should end the video with “but that’s just a theory.”

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516

[honest sierra]

[lethal moat]

The concept art is unofficial, but the matriarch is canon

[acoustic osprey]

LOL

[icy onyx]

[maiden sundial]

Likely there was a revolution or incident that caused the islands to get abandoned. With power knocked out the dinosaurs were allowed to get loose. And form an ecosystem.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-green-goblin-wait-what-smiling-evil-grin-gif-21581618

[icy onyx]

Abandonment of the island was certainly going to plan for someone that's for sure

[honest sierra]

Ooooh

[lethal moat]

If you do, I’d love a cameo like that one Thomas sanders video with Al the weather guy: “It’s gonna be hot!” And “CLIMATE CHANGE”

[icy onyx]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

🫡

[lethal moat]

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-heath-ledger-joker-introduce-a-little-anarchy-anarchy-gif-5390031

[light nacelle]

We know from Gateway that the dinosaurs used to be contained in massive enclosures, and were allowed to breed naturally in there.

Eventually, it seems, they decided they wanted out LOL

[lethal moat]

But who helped them out is another question lol

[icy onyx]

Ah but who told them they wanted out

[acoustic osprey]

Me

[light nacelle]

Several fences have clearly been broken through, and whatever broke out is much bigger than we've seen (even bigger than the Rex, afiak)

Otherwise it looks like a lot of gates were just... left open.

[lethal moat]

It is she, the matriarch, or possibly a strain, or an islandwalker, or human sabatoge with explosives

So many possibilities

[pure lodge]

Also the facilities for some areas seem VERY old which also seems like another reason to how they got out

[light nacelle]

And again, I mean-

[lethal moat]

The island was abandoned for like, 20 years at the time the game takes place

[pure lodge]

Jesus that’s a long time

[light nacelle]

Clearly they were having problems LOL

[lethal moat]

I see no issues, just a bunch of friends with snackies

[lethal moat]

We know that the island was probably abandoned in 99’ due to that being the last time the computer system was updated, but we don’t know at what point the game takes place

[light nacelle]

Also its likely there's an AI still monitoring things

[pure lodge]

I don’t think hazard suits are gonna save them from 12 troodons

[lethal moat]

The replicator, but it depends on if it still works for AE if that’s a good or a bad thing

[acoustic osprey]

Likely roughly 20 years

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-movie-morgan-freeman-believe-cat-kitty-gif-3546378

[lethal moat]

Honestly, should have saved that for Shirley

Interesting to see if there will be a benefit to gen 2 wearing reacquired hazmat suits

[robust pilot]

Ignoring the hole for a moment, to me it looks a lot like a juvi rex's skull, no?

[lethal moat]

Someone else pointed that out, I think it’s a subadult Herrera, but I can see it

[robust pilot]

the pmx looks very pointy tho..

could also simply be an omni

[lethal moat]

That’s why I say subadult

[icy onyx]

yeah. other than the hole and no eye spikes the Non boxy PMX bothers me

[lethal moat]

Hard to tell, super blurry, but I’m of the same opinion as Isaac that it’s still Augustus

[robust pilot]

it is his video after all, right

[icy onyx]

Could be they used a different animal model for it but for it being a video with lore in it, id hope they pay as much attention to detail as we do

[iron anchor]

it has the same teeth as herrara and someone convinced me that the snout is pointy only because of an angle

[robust pilot]

after better looking at it, i now agree with that more

its a very weird angle to bite a camera tho lol

[iron anchor]

a reasonable angle

imagine try to detach a camera with your mouth while clinging onto a fence

[robust pilot]

yeah fair

[lethal moat]

Augustus is the star here

[robust pilot]

indeed

of one thing im sure tho
the herrera we see later kill the dryo isn't Augustus

because in the report it says he's been "relocated", so no longer free i suppose.
While the footage we see later is "live", so surely more recent than the report.
It's probably one of the offspring

[steel summit]

Could be

[lethal moat]

Probably Augustus before he was relocated, since the times are all presumably within 24 hours and they say that this is clear evidence of him climbing, and they said that the recording was unedited, which might say why it’s live

[robust pilot]

also could be

the reason it's cool is because we don't know lol

[lethal moat]

Find the lore is half the fun

[pure lodge]

I enjoy the lore when it’s focused more around the animals ngl, things like Augustus are incredibly interesting for me

[patent ginkgo]

Same, but I also love any of the plant stuff

[lethal moat]

In time

[steel summit]

I like the weirder stuff

[lethal moat]

I can’t help but notice that while the matriarch is incredibly niche, it is also incredibly popular lol

[light nacelle]

Random point;

make this incidental abomination of science

This makes it sound like V1's weren't intended

[lethal moat]

Huh, neat

[maiden sundial]

Gen 1 (both V1 and V2) are likely incidental)

[lethal moat]

I think gen 1 was an experiment where they didn’t get the expected result, but was definitely a learning experience

I also wonder if gen 1 is going to be used as a symbol for human nature/the human experience

[glad copper]

That may explain why they weren’t just terminated (since, you know, unintentional creation n all)

[steel summit]

of course, she is the Matriarch

[low scarab]

I wonder if it’s a repercussion of ae not having enough sacrifices

[supple grove]

I find it neat that the first Herrerasaurus to climb was named Augustus, since Augustus was also the first emperor of Rome. Not really lore related, by y’know.

[steel summit]

it is neat yes

[lethal moat]

Probably just replicator not working, which, depending on how much it does, could be devastating or just a setback

[coral lava]

lmao I have no idea what the Gen 1 thing is in the devblog, any cliffnotes to catch me up ? xD

[strange shell]

There's images along them to show what they are
They're one of the two playable factions of humanoids

[lethal moat]

Also this neat bit of art that sparked a small theory about gen 2 vs human in concept art :

[lethal moat]

Check the pinned comments for some lore doc info and find the gen 1 stuff

[pure lodge]

Gonna have to update the lore document to include Shirley and Augustus

[lethal moat]

Already did

[stiff lintel]

I'm trying to develop a purely fictional dinosaur that's named: Alduryn.

If that's the case that specific Individuals that display abnormal behavior are named. Then I'mma name my Allosaurus: Alex.

[pure lodge]

Ok….this doesn’t belong here tho

[slender swallow]

Shirley is my ex's mothers name, her being a Tyrannosaurus Rex is accurate tbh

[lethal moat]

Lore server spillover real quick to include everyone- Discussing hazmats and why they are used, current theories are to prevent contamination and prevent dangers from venoms like troodon and dilo, in addition to preventing radiation from neuros

[slender swallow]

I mean, dinosaurs probably have a whole slew of new and undiscovered diseases they can develop that could potentially cross the species border into humans

[lethal moat]

We think it's more the opther way around, so that people don't interfere with the replication of dinosaurs

[slender swallow]

Also a good point, human diseases and basic sicknesses could be absolutely lethal to Dinosaurs who don't have the immune system evolved enough to combat them

[lethal moat]

The main thing would be preservation of both assets and human life, which is the point of hazmat

[slender swallow]

Reminds of the European colonisers who decimated the native populations of the americas with things like The Pox

[lethal moat]

Which makes us think there is something different about gen 2 that would prevent them from contaminating stuff or that AE just decided something was worth contaminating the island for

[slender swallow]

Possibly just improvements on the base level of their DNA, to make them more survivable and robust to the elements

Although that picture leads me to believe the staff knew it was Troodons outside and how they have venom, not a stretch to say the hazmat suits are designed to withstand bites from some of the smaller animals

[lethal moat]

Especially because the guy on the ground wasn't wearing one

So maybe more for employee protection

[slender swallow]

Imagine those hazmat dudes went outside fully ready to throw hands with this pack of Troodons

[lethal moat]

They look more nervous than anything

[patent ginkgo]

I would be too

[slender swallow]

"They've never encountered humans before they have no reason to fear us"

Cocks 12 Guage

[light nacelle]

Tbh

I don't think a hazmat suit would stand up to a pack of dog-sized carnivores tearing in every direction

[patent ginkgo]

I don’t think so either

That’s why I’m in the “preventing contamination” camp

I think AE’s operations are a form of massive rapid evolution project, though I don’t know what it would be intended for

[slender swallow]

I'll be honest, As a Dino I'd rarely kill humans unless they were actively trying to kill me

[patent ginkgo]

Or if you were weak and starving

[slender swallow]

Yeah, especially as the larger carnivores, just not worth the energy for how little food a human would give

[cobalt yoke]

there should be a jeep in the bases with hangars and garages so humans can drive around

[slender swallow]

Haha, that reminds of that roblox game with the Acro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0MGoxt8QL4

[lethal moat]

There's been discussion of gen 2 gameplay loop "winning" by wiping the servers, so by they're very existance they would be a threat, and they would not spare you the same courtesy

[slender swallow]

We are not them!

We are not them :(

[lethal moat]

If I I knew I could kill a dino without consequences, I would

[low scarab]

you think the replicator is the motion detection or just some random unimportant program

[lethal moat]

The replicator is the ai that creates and presumably mutates dinos and gen 1

[lethal moat]

It is insanely important

Much more than just camera stuff

[low scarab]

Exactly I’m saying is the ai controlling the motion detection on the cameras

[lethal moat]

Maybe it's just constantly watching, if it has the computing power to create new creatures, it could have the computing power to just constantly run recognition programs, motion sensors, etcx

[slender swallow]

I don't doubt AE has put an exorbitant amount of money into its Automation processes, doubt you need any actual people to oversee the Island

[lethal moat]

We know replictor still works despite the island being abandoned

[patent ginkgo]

Also showing that it still has power, so power production is automated

I’m fairly sure the dam at water access is a hydropower dam, and it clearly doesn’t have any facility around it (at least on the surface)

[iron anchor]

why would you not hunt gen 2 even if they weren’t a threat

you get to make a great horror experience for them

i’m looking forward to traumatizing people

[lethal moat]

AE employee training videos are sure to be a treat, if we get any of those, it could shed a lot of insight on the company and procedures on the island

[glad copper]

Like, sort of in the style of an analogue horror vid?

[lethal moat]

Like an employee training video

PSA style thing

[glad copper]

Ah, I see. Wonder if they’ll have voice acting for the vids. Or just have text to speech

[haughty tundra]

Who is John Cake?

[lethal moat]

Gen 2

[haughty tundra]

Ah

[lethal moat]

These guys

Community joke

[iron anchor]

Lolmao

[rustic urchin]

Maybe their over reliance on automation is what led to the replicator being so advanced and what caused it to take over

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[low scarab]

He has got some big back muscles

Why do they need to send this Herrera to Olympus for “entombment”

[lethal moat]

Storage

[low scarab]

I know what it mean

I asked why

[lethal moat]

So that they have it on record, or so they could use it later if need be, that's kind of the purpose of storage, keep something until you need it

[slender swallow]

The Ol' Jurassic Park syndrome

[lethal moat]

I'm leaning towards sabotage combined with gen 1 revolution or something

[rustic urchin]

my guess is if they didnt know these animals could climb and suddenly they see one doing it, they need to handle it quick or else its a very serious danger

considering they can just jump or climb right over any fence or wall

now idk if "entombed" means they killed it, or put it into a state of sleep, or just locked it in a cage

[lethal moat]

They replicated it because it could climb, I imagine they preserve it, rather than just kill it

[rustic urchin]

if they killed it i assume they preserved it by doing some autopsy, or putting it into fermaldehyde, or something

although that brings up another question: why is climbing a favorable trait for AE?

[lethal moat]

I think it’s just a cryosleep sort of situation

[slender swallow]

Augustus gonna wake up 1,000 years later like Fry from Futurama

[sour rivet]

Booty

[low scarab]

maybe because its more of a behavior

they not only want to replicate things that are mutated but things that behave in a predictable fashion

[rustic urchin]

why is that behavior favorable though, its certainly an anomoly and one that is dangerous

[pale marsh]

maybe thats the point, the assets adapt in unexpected way and that could be what AE wants

creating life is one thing, but life that cant change and adapt is kinda worthless

[brazen cradle]

Back on 2020 Don talked about how the Replication System is a lot like the(back then) Elder System

So, what if a Tribal that has sacrificed many things to the replicator and then itself, is rewarded by the Replicator who puts that Tribal's consciousness into a new and better, stronger body

[narrow furnace]

Just reading this sounds sick 👀

[brazen cradle]

Well from what we know AE is a pharmaceutical company right?
A Herrera adapting and going through sudden evolution would perhaps be something that they would be interested in for things like Gene Therapy?
Like "This creature managed to drastically adapt to an environment, how can we do this on people for things like, say, natural disasters?"

I would like to preface I have been outta the loop of the lore for a while. But I wanna get back in and leave my theories and ideas

My question is if AE has actually gotten their goal with Gen 2's or if there is more to be desired.

[lethal moat]

Less of a pharmaceutical company than it was, more bio-engineering now

[brazen cradle]

Also wondering if Gen 2's are superior to the "Normal" Human.

[brazen cradle]

Please, lmk all we know for Evrima Lore

[lethal moat]

Check the pinned comments

[brazen cradle]

Don. If you're here.
The creature that Troodon comes from but isn't in-game

Is it a playable dino in the roster that we know of, or just a lore mystery dino?(Pls be here)

[brazen cradle]

Hmm. The only creature I can guess from then is Velo

[lethal moat]

I believe the second one almost answers your question

[lethal moat]

Yeah, that's what my current train of thought is too

[brazen cradle]

Ye, I didn't see the 2nd one

But we'll, Troodon and Velo just seem a bit too similar. Because if Troo is a farcry from what the original creature was, eh

[lethal moat]

We'll see, this is something that we'll likely have to find from exploring in the game

[distant flame]

wait guys what if gateway is the gateway to the next isle phase? just a theory

[lethal moat]

It's certainly a stepping stone, and there are some references to something like that in legacy lore about phase 4 and gateway

[distant flame]

hmm yeah

definitely worth mentioning tho

[lethal moat]

Yep, let me find it real quick

Found it

Apollo Engineering acquired Phoenix Corporation assets in Operation Inferno in collusion with Lawrence Carter. The resulting acquisition has allowed phase four of Gateway facilities to commence. User Inquiry: Tartarus This distribution of this information will disrupt the natural development of the profiles during phase four. They must learn of it of their own accord. Within parameters designated by Apollo Engineering.

[slender swallow]

I wonder how much Money AE has

[lethal moat]

A lot

[slender swallow]

The fact they can just buy other big corporations leads me to believe it may even be in the hundreds of billions

[lethal moat]

Yes

[slender swallow]

But wheres their income 😭 I'd be interested to know what they "sell" to make so much money, possibly sell their Genetics to black markets and maybe even some governments

[lethal moat]

Big company

[sour rivet]

Zaza farm no cap

They invest into plants. Agriculture

Apollo is a real one

[slender swallow]

I guess if you could engineer a certain crop to be 10x more efficient or something it would be worth billions

[lethal moat]

Dondi’s only response was “food” and then specifically agriculture

[low scarab]

Probably more since don said government relies on it

So all that is really important is nothing is too expensive

[patent ginkgo]

If they can build those domes, they can easily buy other companies

[acoustic osprey]

I do like, though, the emphasis on Troodons hunting humans

Makes more sense for such

[acoustic osprey]

We know Apollo is a large companies
With subsidiaries such as Apollo Pharmaceuticals North, Apollo Red, Mercury Benefit

Etc

So, their income seems to be pretty spread in terms of "how"
And AE? We're unsure if it was either AE who started with food or Apollo, the mother company itself, that started with such

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
The thing is

The phases in lore for legacy are completely different. In which still revolved around PC still

[low scarab]

so odd question why call them eyeless when one variant literally has eyes

[acoustic osprey]

Likely to retain data of Augustus, being the first Herrera to climb, by storing it there.
Just in case they need to revisit the same DNA

[acoustic osprey]

They're not Eyeless

[low scarab]

or is that the standard gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

Eyeless are seperate entities

Originally referred to as "The Cannibals"

[low scarab]

gotcha so its a mutation of the gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

No

https://survive-the-isle.fandom.com/wiki/The_Eyeless

Eyeless

In which
Those Tribals still have eye sockets
Where Eyeless literally have nothing relating to eyes

[bleak flint]

are the eyless cannibals

[acoustic osprey]

From the presence of human buildings to scientists doing stuff in official artworks, I'd rather doubt this

Where more so the islands can be semi-autonomous, where they don't need to be hand feeding everything
But, at least, to the point where human presence is still need- seeing as they seem to be doing other things on the island while still monitoring the dinos

[acoustic osprey]

They were originally called The Cannibals

Till Don said Cannibals are actually a name for Tribals/Gen1

Where the Eyeless creatures have their own seperate name

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/punkdoe-flygohr-gif-22891450

[acoustic osprey]

But also the lack of human presence in when we play the game (in the timeline) do shows us that they made a pretty sustainable ecosystem- that if practically became autonomous (natural) in nature

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/upgrades-robots-gif-21291099

[acoustic osprey]

There's a few artworks akin to what you have described in phase two archives

[lethal moat]

I like Tapwing’s “Drive Craig Drive!”, it’s unofficial but it’s fun

[bleak flint]

but are they cannibals cannibals

[acoustic osprey]

Truly the only thing that would want to hunt humans, as a relatively easy kill (for me) is Troodons- and other smalls that are fast and maneuverable.

[acoustic osprey]

It's likely that Gen1s are still Cannibals

[rustic urchin]

troodon is also just naturally really good at killing other smalls rn, could probably two shot pounce a human

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[acoustic osprey]

Ah, that one

[rustic urchin]

wonder if the v2 tribals despite seemingly having no eyes in their sockets will be actually blind, or just a cosmetic

seems to be latter

[acoustic osprey]

Likely cosmetic

Hopefully unlike the Eyeless themselves

[rustic urchin]

yea

[acoustic osprey]

Especially with server lag and hit registration

[rustic urchin]

also hope that we can put clothes and other cool stuff on our gen1s

[terse heart]

strange how the interface the use for the computers in AE look really old and they CPU's they use are references to old Intel ones, they use AV1 video format which came out in 2018

[acoustic osprey]

And a 4k CRT monitor

[acoustic osprey]

But is this from the recent p3 post?

[terse heart]

I mean there was a 4k monitor in 2005

[terse heart]

p3?

oh phase 3

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Ah, yes, i see it

[acoustic osprey]

Are you sure?

[terse heart]

think so without watching the video

[acoustic osprey]

Black and white though

[terse heart]

just because it it currently displaying in black and white doesn't mean it is only black and white

why would they make one in black and white in the 2000s?

and 4k

[acoustic osprey]

We know it's likely to be a red herring anyways

As we know some of those written things in places aren't finalised or done

Powah!!

[lethal moat]

I can see maybe some sort of splint armor made from bones, something to keep warm in rain if they implement that temperature system they’re always joking about, or something to help camouflage

[meager junco]

They might use boar and deer furs to make something similar for warmth since they’re on the islands

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
I would hope so

That would be a cool custom outfit

[meager junco]

Agreed

[slender swallow]

Feel like Augustus should be included in this deep iceberg

[lethal moat]

There's only so much space, and it's more for affect rather than accuracy

[slender swallow]

“Triangles”

💀

[strange shell]

Ok I might have a theory regarding the question of why did AE make dinos specifically
AE, an agricultural company, made, or rather found the Replicator. I still belive they didn't make her, as if they did, they would have had a way of shutting her down once she went rogue. They found out she had the power to create life from practically nothing, and realized it could go well beyond making bananas that don't die during winter.
Yet they needed funds and recognition to be able to exploit it (facilities, equipment, and so on...) so they've asked them to another company, or a state, or something or someone with lots of money. And they asked for lots of it. But they didn't want to reveal the existence of the replicator either, so they just said "we can clone things". As cloning in itself isn't a feat impressive enough to warrant massive funding, they added "extinct things". But if they had recreated a wooly mammoth, a smilodon or a trilobite, their creditor could just have said "you just slapped fur on an elephant/big teeth on a lion". They needed to make something that was impressive enough.
Dinosaurs, with their unique bodyplan and anatomy and humongous sizes, are impossible to fake (unless you have a replicaotr ofc) so they ended up being the go-to as a proof that they COULD clone extinct beings.
Of course, not mentioning the fact the things they created were as much dinosaurs as they were unicorns. With adamant proof of their capabilities, they turned the Islands officially into sort of reserves, where they could monitor the "cloned" dinosaurs, check their viability in the modern world and possibly giving them uses.
While in secret and with the money they got thanks to the funny reptiles they made, they could do real experiments with the replicator. And that's how Gen 1, Gen 2, Strains and the Matriarch came to be.

[lethal moat]

Alright, lets say that's true, who made the replicator

[strange shell]

Someone else

[steel summit]

Its just like Island Walkers in your theory

[lethal moat]

If the replicator is sentient, I think there should be a solid backstory, not saying yours isn't possible, because it totally is, but I'm focusing on learning more about the replicator rather than "ehy dinosaurs" because we know that dinosaurs were described as "an unfortunate and necessary" part of AE

[strange shell]

Okay read my entire theory it's not about the replicator

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[lethal moat]

Yeah, but the dinosaurs aren't clones

[strange shell]

of course they aren't

[steel summit]

As in: we dont know why, how or when but they are here

[lethal moat]

They are recreations, which is why things aren't accurate to paleontology all the time

[lethal moat]

Yeah, I feel a bit guilty about that one

[strange shell]

Yes I mentioned that in my theory

[steel summit]

Nah dont be, its not like we actually know anything concrete about the island Walkers in the first place

[strange shell]

Basically dinos are a cover for AE's actual operations
Like drug dealers will make a small restaurant to cover their business

[lethal moat]

The dinosaurs are a part of the 10% that's hidden from the world

#isle-lore-theories message

[strange shell]

But not hidden from those specific guys

[sour rivet]

That actual operation being strains and what not yeah ?

[strange shell]

Yeah

[lethal moat]

I disagree with your theory on the basis of the replicator not being created by AE, but it could be possible

[steel summit]

I would say strains are a mix of drugs and medicine

[lethal moat]

Strains are very much genetic modifications

[strange shell]

Wether the replicator is made by AE or not doesn't matter to my theory
But again, if it was made by AE, they would have had a way to control it or shut it down
"AI goes rogue" is only possibly in bad Sci-Fi plots

[steel summit]

Aight

[steel summit]

If you've ever jailbroken chatGPT you know how simple it is for an ai to ignore rules

[sour rivet]

I remember watching a video with Rumple there was a date which we presumed was the creation or release date of the replicator it was 1994 or smh if I remember correctly. If we knew when Apollo was created we could determine if the Replicator was created before the founding of Apollo or after it

[lethal moat]

For now, certain military ai algorithms have changed targets to local radio towers to they could make decisions without oversight. (All within simulations so far)

[sour rivet]

It may have just been a system though not necessarily the replicator

[tribal bobcat]

Join this server for Augustus and ben https://discord.com/invite/WAG34Fpf

[lethal moat]

The video that showed the isle's computer system is from 91 to 99?

[sour rivet]

Oh yeah didn’t remember the date

[strange shell]

And its owners have perfect control over it
If ChatGPT started misbehaving, they could shut it down instantly
Irl every important computer or program has a ton of failsafes

[lethal moat]

Not if the AI sends hordes of gen 1 to murder you first

[strange shell]

It can't because you would have shut it down before it can do that

[steel summit]

Perfect control? No
Failsafe? Yes

[strange shell]

A machine can't go rogue and out of control if it's being monitored
If AE left and let the replicator do its own thing for a long time unchecked, then it's possible

[lethal moat]

Possibly

[strange shell]

It can fail, it can make an accident, possibly a grave one, but it's not getting out of control

[sour rivet]

What if the replicator in itself was a goal too ? They tried creating something that was extinct, they achieved it.
They tried creating something „new“ they achieved it.
They created something horrifying something that’s almost perfect and they achieved it.
And know they will try to give life to a creation that was never meant to be aka the Replicator.

[strange shell]

I'm not sure what you mean there

[lethal moat]

But the replicator has been a tool used for awhile already, as shown in the augustus videos

[sour rivet]

Maybe it going rogue wasn’t the goal but it gaining sentience was

[strange shell]

Well I don't think a machine can "gain sentience" either
Unless you put a brain in it

[steel summit]

lets say the replicator is a little like glados, and it can control machinery and computers, right then the replicator could easily just disable the failsafe.

[lethal moat]

This is still fiction

[sour rivet]

It did though

[steel summit]

depends on what sentience is

[strange shell]

Being able to form thoughts

[sour rivet]

Well know we could become philosophical

[steel summit]

what are thoughts in your opinion?

[sour rivet]

The processes happening inside of your mind and the processes inside of a computer aren’t necessarily as different as one might think they are. It’s all just a line of commands and prompts. In our case that would be brain chemistry and in the case of a computer many lines of 0001011011

[steel summit]

yep

[sour rivet]

Though how the human mind fully works isn’t known sooo yeah

[steel summit]

DNA is basically just computer code

[lethal moat]

We are getting off track from lore and into philosophy, but your theory is possible, it's just one I don't believe in

[sour rivet]

Exactly

[steel summit]

yeah, but this is what happens when we go insane

[strange shell]

Decisions that are not the sole result of a chemical reaction or the result of a series of 0s and 1s

[lethal moat]

We just got new lore yesterday, it's too soon to be going insane again

[sour rivet]

Does Apollo have a rival ? Or at the least a different organization that is at odds with it ? I know that we once had Phoenix but they aren’t cannon anymore

[lethal moat]

We don't know for evrima

[sour rivet]

I May be wrong but wasn’t there a mention of „sabotage“ that led to the current state of the Isle ?

[lethal moat]

Possibly, we know sabotage led to bad things at some point, maybe not the abandonment tho

#isle-lore-theories message

[slender swallow]

Hera Engineering

[lethal moat]

I think they left the whole "rival company" bit begind personally, not confirmed, but that's my opinion

[slender swallow]

You know what I wonder? If AE is capable of all these “extreme” advancements in tech, how come they’ve never created some kind of Robot or Android to help with the research of the dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

That's the replicator

Does most of the heavy lifting so to speak

[slender swallow]

Yeah but I mean actual physical robotic humanoids to actually go out into the wilderness to preform repairs and maintenance on buildings etc

[lethal moat]

That's gen 2's job

[sour rivet]

Roboters consume fuel and electricity and as we all know grass is the best way to sustain oneself therefore dinosaurs are being used that will be eaten by Gen1-2s (I think)

What am I even saying

[lethal moat]

The dinosaurs are not food

[sour rivet]

They do look delicious though

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[sour rivet]

I dont know… the replicator likes to „consume“ them though

And also I think that Gen1s might be preying on them since they do need to sustain themselves somehow

[lethal moat]

Don't know why it needs it though

[lethal moat]

Probably that and sacraficing to replicator

[sour rivet]

Yeah…

[acoustic osprey]

Shirely the Rex disagrees!!

[lethal moat]

I wonder how the names are decided

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
it's not even true AI (GPT)

[acoustic osprey]

Likely just whatever floats their boat
wish it was more Greek inspired though

[lethal moat]

Ex wife Sharrol? Sounds like a slimy reptile creature to me

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[steel summit]

yeah, im just saying its way harder than you'd think when it comes to making rules and failsafes for ai

[acoustic osprey]

and here's the difference between a simple language processing machine
vs a sentient actual proper AI (which would be classified as AGI)

unless Don wants to dimmer down The Replicator and keep it to just basic AI

in which, I'd doubt, seeing as Tribals literally sacrifice things to her

[steel summit]

also, OpenAI doesnt even have perfect control over ChatGPT, but yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[dusky valley]

Are tribals gonna be playable and also how did they come to the island or islands?

Or were they the indigenous people

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 will be playable and AE made them

[dusky valley]

That sucks how they are just clones

[lethal moat]

They aren’t clones

Nothing on the island (that we know of) is a clone

[dusky valley]

Oh I thought they were cause you said AE made them

[lethal moat]

Yep, AE made them, but AE doesn’t clone stuff (as far as we know)

[dusky valley]

So they are just indigenous people then?

[dusky valley]

But how does that work if they aren’t clones did they move them to the isles

[lethal moat]

They were made by AE, and now they live as indigenous people in the island

[lethal moat]

AE made them like dinosaurs, but they never cloned any dinosaurs, which is why not everything is paleo-accurate

[dusky valley]

So they made them like how jp universe made there dinosaurs?

[lethal moat]

No

[dusky valley]

I’m very confused

[lethal moat]

JP cloned stuff and filled in the genes, AE created their own DNA and creatures from the base genome up

[dusky valley]

Ohh

[lethal moat]

Understandable, it’s very confusing

[dusky valley]

Also will the first gen look more like Neanderthals instead of modern humans or do they look like modern humans?

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 is in the most recent devblog, gen 2 are what most people consider to be the playable humans, though they aren’t technically human

[dusky valley]

They are just synths

Right?

[dusky valley]

Where are the devblogs?

[lethal moat]

Pretty much

[lethal moat]

You can check the steam page or https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401469622659973120

[dusky valley]

I also heard someone say the first deinos are just a normal crocodiles but on growth hormones as test subjects

But I highly doubt that is true

[lethal moat]

I don’t know anything about that in the lord, so I would be highly skeptical

[dusky valley]

But that would be funny if that’s actually true that deino is just a normal crocodile on steroids

But deino being not being part of the apex team is a bit iffy with me if the concept art is true about deino and spino being the same size

Is the art here official?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Deino is an apex, it's just reginoally locked, which is why it's staying playable