isle-lore-theories

[steel summit]

clumsy just means more dangerous, if it cant control itself that means no one can

yeah

[strange shell]

No, clumsy means it has a higher chance to flop over on its face and break its own neck

[acoustic osprey]

I would be more scared of a human with a gun, than a tiger with a gun

(if the tiger could shoot, pretend it could)

even though the human is physically weaker

the human is still intelligent and capable of thinking strategy

[strange shell]

What I would be the most scared of is a goose with a gun

[steel summit]

if the colossus is hyper rex size (like in the fan concept) it wouldnt be that much more dangerous than a hyper rex, but if it was the size it was stated (could pick up a pue on its shoulders) that would be very dangerous

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/goose-honk-inhale-inhales-untitled-gif-16237480

[strange shell]

please no

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, why would it not be dangerous at Hyper Rex size?

[steel summit]

yeah of course, but if the tiger just shoots wildly around that would be dangerous as well even if it cant really hit

[acoustic osprey]

it would be as plated and hungry as a Hyper Rex

[steel summit]

it wouldnt be much more dangerous than a hyper rex i said

[acoustic osprey]

the human could do such a thing as well
but would, theoretically, ensure a more longing damage

[acoustic osprey]

Depends.
if you verse something your size. What truly makes "X" thing more better

who knows
we've never seen a Colossus fight in action

and barely well with Hyper Rex

[steel summit]

except the human would target you specifically, but yeah intelligence is dangerous

[acoustic osprey]

that's why I like the think Replicator is a, more or less, combination of all three human strains

[steel summit]

not saying the colossus isnt more dangerous than the islan walker, just saying that the island walker is dangerous because it doesnt know what its doing

[steel summit]

could be

[acoustic osprey]

I do hope it is honestly

[steel summit]

all strains seem to increase intelligence so could be

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, not really.
More so just Neuros

[steel summit]

hyper does too just on a smaller scale

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, I don't think intelligence would be boosted much from someone with tons more hormones

[steel summit]

increased metabolism means it uses energy faster, if you put that into the brain it increases the working capacity

but you get tired of course

[strange shell]

Not exactly how it works

[acoustic osprey]

I wish it was

but, I don't exactly believe Hypers were the result of AE trying to make things smarter

if anything, more so an after effect for neuros development

[steel summit]

hypers are big and strong, but they arent dumb, they have a little more working capacity but not much

[acoustic osprey]

Neuros not neuro, as not to link "Neurotenics" to the world "neuro = nerves"

[steel summit]

its not like a normal human would become einstein when hyper (like with neuros i think) but it would make it so he can think faster and more, i think

[acoustic osprey]

we will have to see

[steel summit]

don is the only one who knows

[acoustic osprey]

I suppose, if so, it get's rid of the "large brute = dumb" cliche

[steel summit]

but in meta terms all creatures in the game share the same base intelligence (since the players are human)

[strange shell]

which is very low

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pathetic-nolan-grayson-omni-man-invincible-pity-gif-20908860

[steel summit]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

oh

[lethal moat]

All the interesting conversations happen when I sleep in. 😦 I think there are more to the gameplay loop than we know, like possible objectives, and we know that there is a “win condition” thing being thought of for humans

[lethal moat]

I’m adding human gameplay loop to the list of questions for Dondi

[snow jasper]

waiting for lore be like

[static mesa]

Make hypo herbis turn carnivorous, would make sense given that meat is much more calorie dense

[steel summit]

hypo herbis?, i dont even know if that's planned

[static mesa]

They said strains for herbis tho right?

Would be lame if there is a strain for just carnivores and not herbis without one just being for herbis

[steel summit]

strains ≠ only hyper, but hyper herbis might

it would be cool

just dont know if its planned

[lethal moat]

It was said no in legacy and I haven't heard anything about that so I would assume no

[void apex]

In response to this, that is

[lethal moat]

Very very good

However, it means gen 1 and the eyeless are different sizes

Which is spook

[steel summit]

nah you're not close to the gen 2 design

[lethal moat]

@acoustic osprey

[steel summit]

but for the eyeless it looks good

[lethal moat]

Broski, gen 1 and eyeless are almost identical for what we've seen

[void apex]

(Gen2 are the 'regular' humans)

[steel summit]

Gen2 are mercs

[lethal moat]

I meant to say gen 1 *facepalm

[steel summit]

sorry, but this is funny

[void apex]

They do have disturbingly human teeth in comparison to their more... eyeful counterparts

[patent ginkgo]

Good for flat faced omnivores

[lethal moat]

lol

[steel summit]

human incisors are pretty underrated, good for cutting through flesh

[void apex]

That's more due to our surprisingly insane biteforce, but yeah, nearly flat teeth are good teeth

[lethal moat]

Now imagine bitefore but b i g g e r

[steel summit]

based on the jaw size the eyeless seems to have good biteforce as well, but sharper teeth would be nice since it seems it would be mainly carnivorous instead of omnivorous like us

[brazen cradle]

I was directed here for questions, I don't really have any questions

[lethal moat]

Ask and we shall attempt to answer

[brazen cradle]

My main questions is mainly just the Eyeless lmao.

[steel summit]

the best person to ask is Lore Man (or eyesac if you like) but he isnt currently here

[lethal moat]

We don't know a ton

[brazen cradle]

But we know barely anything in them anymore due to their redesign

[void apex]

Don reffered to them as a type of pseudo "Gen 1.5"

[snow jasper]

I believe there are multiple "variants" to the alleged Gen 1

[lethal moat]

Maybe they're smarter?

[void apex]

So we have;
Tribals (Gen 1)
Eyeless (Gen 1.5)
'Good ol humans' (Gen 2)

[lethal moat]

Echidna (2.5???)

[steel summit]

replicator (3.0)?? maybe

[snow jasper]

Let me pull up cerato's or galli's species profile, it said smth abt generations

[brazen cradle]

My theory is that the Cannibals / Tribals and Eyeless have tie-ins with the Replicator.

If what was said before still is true, the Replication system is similar to what the old Elder system was.

So, my guess would've been, after sactificing yourself to the Replicator x amount of time, in some life eventually, you will get a messed up mutation that turns you into the Eyeless

[lethal moat]

galli

[lethal moat]

We know they worship it

[snow jasper]

" Version 0.1.2 "

[steel summit]

thats the main theory (but i think more like sacrifcing others to the replicator and not yourself)

[lethal moat]

We think replicator is ai

[brazen cradle]

I know.

But back in 2020 ish, we heard during a conversation in one of the Q&A stream, that the Replication system is similar to the Elder system that was proposed at that time.

[steel summit]

i know, but eyesac has said he has a small theory that the replicator might be all 3 strains mixed into one

[void apex]

It most likely is, but I don't think it's been fully confirmed. Don has said that it has a voice, unless I'm being a bit brainless as usual.

[brazen cradle]

Well, it could very well he, sacrifice others, then eventually sacrifice yourself to get rewarded by the Replicator for your efforts

[snow jasper]

Calling it now, Homo Sapiens do not exist in the isle

[lethal moat]

Interesting

[steel summit]

they do, but the question is wether the gen 2 are homo sapien

[snow jasper]

They're probably copies is what I want to believe

[void apex]

I don't know if they biologically could be classed as such

[steel summit]

exactly

[void apex]

Ethically they're the same as us, but purely biologically, I doubt they are

[lethal moat]

Too chad to be homo sapiens

[steel summit]

John Cake is too powerful to be Homo Sapien

[snow jasper]

I wonder if there are true Homo Sapiens at the top of everything pulling the strings like some half life stuff with the "advisors"

[steel summit]

ceo of Æ

[acoustic osprey]

Response?

[snow jasper]

I declare myself, CEO hereby

[void apex]

one message up

[acoustic osprey]

Response

[void apex]

Am I screwing up my English again???

[acoustic osprey]

No

[void apex]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

Did he stop talking after?

[void apex]

He gave a little more feedback but he's still prolly looking through chat

[brazen cradle]

So, since we know that AE is more of a...pharmacutical company and also far more ubiquitous than we'd think

What if the Gen 2's are an attempt at creating "The Perfect" Human?

With enhanced physical abilities, but primarily their healing of diseases and other ailments that normal us today can't think of curing.

I.E, cancer, aging, etc.

[void apex]

Told me to give it more correct legs n all

[acoustic osprey]

Interesting

[lethal moat]

Thats what it is

[acoustic osprey]

No
Food

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 that is

[void apex]

I wonder how Gen 1 are strengthwise in the lore

[acoustic osprey]

Well
For all we know

There is already a dedicated pharmaceutical subsidiary for Apollo

[brazen cradle]

Strong I assume

[acoustic osprey]

That is, Apollo Pharmaceuticals North

[lethal moat]

Started off with food ended up here

[snow jasper]

Reminds me of that one TF2 sfm movie

[brazen cradle]

Given that Everytime Don talked about them, they are about 8-9 Feet tall

[snow jasper]

Built to be balling

[void apex]

Feet (and the described legs) have now made me think that they're slower than I previously thought

[acoustic osprey]

We know humans are up to their lower shoulder

[void apex]

Right now we're looking at a 7 or so feet tribal

[ionic sable]

Aw dang wrong channel.

oops.

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[lethal moat]

9-11 last I checked

[brazen cradle]

Yeah, but... A certain dev, once talked about how AE is far more ubiquitous than what we think.

And Don also stated that it isn't the cliché "evil company" that we all thought it to be

[void apex]

I just talked with Don about this man

[lethal moat]

They climb fast as all get out tho

[ionic sable]

Technically it's very lore relevant, but I didn't frame it that way.

[lethal moat]

Sadge

[void apex]

Roughly 7ft

[steel summit]

things change

[acoustic osprey]

That means nothing on what Apollo does

It's likely that Apollo is more just a rnd company than true pharmaceuticals

[snow jasper]

"For which one?"

Are we taking it as merely a reference to various old concepts or the possibility there's multiple Generations under Gen 1 because I do not follow well

[steel summit]

but more info isnt bad

[void apex]

It's a good change imo

[lethal moat]

I think it's gen 1 vs eyeless

[void apex]

now they actually fit inside buildings

[steel summit]

yeah

[void apex]

9ft is a lot taller than people think

[lethal moat]

You make a very good point

But what if they do a creepy crawly general grevious scuttle thingy?

[steel summit]

3 foot is around 90 cm, this means 9 foot is around 280 cm, almost 3m

[ruby juniper]

do you know how much that is in euro numbers?

[void apex]

275cm~

[ionic sable]

I may or may not have spent the last hour researching AMSI because it is stated on the roadmap only to realize that it's outside of the time window of the OS...

Cool.

[void apex]

give or take a few cm

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/rebecca-cyberpunk-rebecca-cyberpunk2077-cyberpunk-edgerunners-gif-27001065

[void apex]

or in game terms, a tiny bit taller than our Carno's hip height

[steel summit]

around the height of a dilo

[void apex]

Taller

[lethal moat]

wonder if they can pounce or jump onto stuff

[void apex]

Neither silhouette is perfect to their in game counterparts, but here's a 9ft "tribal" compared to our Dilo

[acoustic osprey]

It also still depends on the body ratio with Tribals

[void apex]

9ft is big big

so the 7ft~ thing is good

[ionic sable]

So basically, Seiza/Dondi either threw down 4 random letters and got AMSI, which would be lucky.
Or, they are using it properly but it's outside the timeframe of the roadmap, which could be an accident.

Or, the roadmap OS is being used in 2015 when AMSI is first introduced, and it just has the wrong year, or the user is using a old ass version.

OR Apollo developed AMSI 20 years before Microsoft and this entire rabbit hole was completely pointless! Yay!

[steel summit]

ah yes i seem to have had a case of the stupid

[void apex]

I mean if the Dilo simply rears, it'd be taller

[lethal moat]

Yo same

[steel summit]

stupidity is natural in islecord

[acoustic osprey]

2172 😊

[ionic sable]

O R .

It could be a matter that some other company invented AMSI in the proper timeframe but Microsoft only adopted it in 2015, and I'm just an idiot.

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
Apollo could very much have
Or at least commissioned such

[static mesa]

how big yall think eyeless are weight wise

[snow jasper]

Has 001100010010011110100001101101 been talked about?

[acoustic osprey]

It just means m

[static mesa]

im trying to guesstimate bite force

[void apex]

Who is short now

[acoustic osprey]

And Jace's one just means Jace

[lethal moat]

I'm going to guess around 300-350

[static mesa]

lbs or kg?

[lethal moat]

Doom music plays

[steel summit]

now compare with the 7 foot "tribal/eyeless/whatever"

[lethal moat]

kg

[lethal moat]

About same as normal dilo

[void apex]

Not even a competition

[steel summit]

dilo demolishes

[acoustic osprey]

Now baby tribal

[static mesa]

bruh, if u scale bite force 1 to 1 for eyeless they have 900 bite force in lbs

[swift dagger]

Are these the eyeless?

[snow jasper]

I despise people who glorify Dilo in any way shape or form

[steel summit]

think so yeah

[snow jasper]

^

[lethal moat]

Size chart addict, my guestimate of matriarch final size from unofficial tapwing art is around 120-150 ft, what is your opinion

[lethal moat]

possibly gen 1 or eyeless

[steel summit]

Dilo is fine in my opinion but to each their own i guess

[static mesa]

what is carno biteforce

[acoustic osprey]

No

[swift dagger]

I'm really curious about the eyeless, primarily on how they're going to function gameplay wise.

[void apex]

I reckon tribals would be problematic to actually hold anywhere on the island, as they're probably both inventive in mind and versatile in movement

[steel summit]

ah ok

[acoustic osprey]

And they started a cult

[steel summit]

so are we

[lethal moat]

200 n

[void apex]

Eh, religion be religion

[snow jasper]

Gen 1 Philosophies

[static mesa]

i hope there is some kind of mantling mechanic and they have a solid jump, would make tribals so fun

[ruby juniper]

175 n

at least right after 6.5

dont know if it was changed

[void apex]

But like, if they manage to create a religion, they are interacting, and if they're interacting they must be somewhere where they can interact

[static mesa]

eyeless 4,000 n

gross

[void apex]

idk if they're just out and about with the dinosaurs or in some holding cell

[lethal moat]

I doubt it

[void apex]

perhaps they're in that massive dome don showed on stream some time ago???

[steel summit]

tribals should have pretty good agility both on the ground and in the trees (not as good as herrera imo but still good)

[acoustic osprey]

She sees all

[static mesa]

i mean i doubt too but if u take human biteforce an scale it up a bit

[lethal moat]

I definitely think it's some sort of holding cell

[acoustic osprey]

Hexadome is best dome

[steel summit]

matriarch is always nice to see

[snow jasper]

No, I'd imagine Tribals to be even more efficient in trees

[acoustic osprey]

The Replicator CCTV

[lethal moat]

Agreed, because thumbs

[void apex]

Do we have any idea why AE didn't terminate the Gen 1s?

They were clearly faulty

[snow jasper]

Revolution

[steel summit]

in my opinon herrera should be better arborealy but tribals should be very good in trees as well

[acoustic osprey]

Funny thing is
That that camera is the same camera label as the camera in Gateway phase three

[lethal moat]

Maybe they left them in cells or thought they would die off?

[acoustic osprey]

The first post on there

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[steel summit]

so is it or is it not the matriarch, im confused now

[steel summit]

Æ

[void apex]

I think it has more to do with the theorized sudden departure of AE from the island

[static mesa]

honestly would make sense if tribals were mostly arboreal to avoid any dinos they arent actively killing

[acoustic osprey]

Camera is Replicator motif

[steel summit]

ok, so creature is matriarch right

[lethal moat]

Little guy is matriarch, the replicator watches through cameras

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[snow jasper]

I've never seen this

[static mesa]

tree house gaming

[lethal moat]

Ewok village when they come out who's with me?

[acoustic osprey]

Technically it's unofficial

[steel summit]

thought so, but Lore Mans choice of words made me confused for a moment

[static mesa]

for sure

[void apex]

It seems to have happened over night. One day AE was on the island, the other they were gone. Didn't even have time to take important computers or files with them.

[lethal moat]

All matriarch work is unofficial sadly

[static mesa]

honestly tho thinking about the ground is a horrible place to be in this game,

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[void apex]

Some type of cataclysmic event happened and AE was gone from all(?) of the islands. Just like that.

[steel summit]

yeah, but the one who made them (tapwing) is a dev now

[lethal moat]

Right, which makes me think something made them leave, and then the not dinosaur stuff escaped from either a lab or a cell

[snow jasper]

There's probably safer offsite areas with administration

[static mesa]

an scp got out

[acoustic osprey]

There's two damage models for the hyper fences the make me curious

[void apex]

Something forced them to leave and fast. Although they might've actually hunkered down too, depending on their circumstances.

[lethal moat]

It's a real thing and the concept is a good representation for what we know, but it's not the actual thing

[steel summit]

strain, cool, powerful

[lethal moat]

From old transmissions, some people were stuck o the island

[static mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/monstersinc-sully-mike-door-put-that-thing-back-gif-4553929

[lethal moat]

Possibly a strain escape? Or one of the things we dont know about?

[steel summit]

yeah, i know

[lethal moat]

Or legal trouble

[void apex]

I doubt a strain escaping would cause that much havoc

[static mesa]

probably the matriarch rigjht

[void apex]

Legal trouble would allow them to still leave with their computers and all

[lethal moat]

I doubt it

[static mesa]

or the KING!?!?!?!

[snow jasper]

Assuming it was an evacuation like Titanic, those who have roles that are dedicated to AE's purpose would probably have had a 1 way ticket off, whereas rangers etc were not so lucky

[steel summit]

colossus could do it

[void apex]

It had to be several things going wrong at the same time

[static mesa]

added lore your welcome

[void apex]

Depending on its size, yeah

[snow jasper]

Big

[steel summit]

even at hyper rex size it would cause havoc because of intelligence

[void apex]

I reckon a lot of things happened at once, but the Replicator must've had something to do with it.

[static mesa]

i mean they havent confirmed they arent adding any more big bads right? there might be some thing else we dont know about or no?

[void apex]

Dondi has talked about a Hyper gun, so I think they'd be able to deal with that. And ONE hyper can't drive them all off the island just like that.

[lethal moat]

Or the main company pulled the experiments for some reason, forcing people to leave immediately, and the scientists purposefull left stuff to continue work later?

[static mesa]

apparently its actually bigger than pue

[void apex]

can't use legacy info anymore, sadly

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rogueone-jedha-deathstar-starwars-gif-22496066

[static mesa]

ope

[steel summit]

hyper rex size concept, but some sources iirc say that the colossus could pick up and carry a pue over its shoulder

[void apex]

"Some sources" being don in a stream

Old old stream

half a decade year old stream

[steel summit]

yeah, i use "some sources" when i cant remember the sources, and yes i know it probably is outdated but i hope it would still be correct

[snow jasper]

I really hope colossus isn't a giant mountain sized meatball creating havoc

[lethal moat]

Absolutely, if replicator stayed online and nothing else did, it probably orchestrated something

[static mesa]

cooler if collosus isnt actually THAT massisve so u can still accidentally stumble upon them

[steel summit]

there is only one colossus irrc

[void apex]

It's interesting to think about just the sheer scale of what must've pushed AE out

[lethal moat]

We don't know what tartarus is like or howe big it is

[void apex]

We don't have the finished docks, but I reckon there's some big clues hiding there

[static mesa]

ya but if its out wandering around would be nice if it isnt so big it can allways be avoided

[snow jasper]

I don't think docks will get finished unless they really want to integrate spiro back to fruition

[void apex]

If there's expensive equipment left in the docks, something really bad must have happened

[steel summit]

if it is >pue sized it would be easy to avoid since you will know where it is at all times

[lethal moat]

Right, it would have been an immediate immediate threat, like something chasing them to the docks

[void apex]

it is fast, Hawkey

[static mesa]

right, seems less scary that way

[steel summit]

yeah, but if you see it from a mile away you can think/hide

[void apex]

But the thing is, the humans are spread out. There's not central places where they all are. This happened simultaneously over the entire island, over all potential dockyards.

[lethal moat]

I'm thinking something zombie apocolypse-like, where a ton of things are everywhere at once, like tribals all attacking bases at once

[steel summit]

echidna could maybe do it with numbers

[lethal moat]

Makes me think, what if the replicator created tribals without AE

[void apex]

Something like that, yeah

[snow jasper]

I don't want to believe that an evacuation occured at the docks on Spiro, they seem to small and the surrounding few structures are too small, few and spread out to insinuate that anything was abandoned in a hurry, more as it they want to build in that area of the island, considering how big Spiro was meant to be, if anything it may have just been abandoned

[void apex]

Potentially, but tribals originate from AE at least

[lethal moat]

Like, AE never authorized it and replicator made tribvals to free/defend itself

[steel summit]

maybe all three of them at once (reaper, colossus and echidna), that would certantly cause for immediate evacuation

[lethal moat]

Possiblky

[snow jasper]

Revolution

[lethal moat]

Dance dance revolution?

[void apex]

I think we're sadly just going to have to wait for more stuff from VisualTech and Dondi to figure out what actually went down.

[static mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-planet-of-gif-24674207

[steel summit]

revolution?

[lethal moat]

Yeahhh

Very sadge

[steel summit]

of course, but its fun to theorize

[snow jasper]

Echnida being capable of uniting species to otherthrow AE's employees stationed on the island

[lethal moat]

Possible if it can telepathically communicate like it used to in legacy

[snow jasper]

All Neuro's can do that regardless no? It's been a while

[steel summit]

echidna uniting the tribals under the replicator (now thats a theory that is probably wrong since i made it)

[static mesa]

would be cool if allying Echidna actually gave perks so u have a reason to work with them

[steel summit]

yeah but you have a debuff so echidna can kinda control you as well

[snow jasper]

The more I think about that idea, the more I picture a half life copy story wise, comparing AE to the Combine

[lethal moat]

Without knowing what drove them out, it's a Roanoak Island situation

[steel summit]

yeah

[lethal moat]

The thing is, dondi has specifically said he it trying to avoid generic evil company, evin referancing Half life as Something that he is trying to avoid

[snow jasper]

The combine is a bit more that an evil company

its the concept of there being something greater in force behind everything we already know

[steel summit]

yeah, he probably wants Æ to be a company that isnt evil but still wont shy away from unethical methods (take my words with a ton of salt since im an idiot)

[lethal moat]

Other than Apollo pulling all employees, I can't think of anything that wouldn't leave at least some trace like bones or bodies, once gateway comes out, we might be able to get more clues on what drove them out.

[steel summit]

hopefully

[acoustic osprey]

Deimos project

AE knew about Tribals

[lethal moat]

Alright, that throws that theory

[acoustic osprey]

Ethically neutral

[lethal moat]

I always forget about DEIMOS, we never figured out what GOLEM is did we?

[acoustic osprey]

Just as an FYI
This was never official

[steel summit]

yeah, not evil but not good

[acoustic osprey]

No

Just that anything named Golem has a meaning

[snow jasper]

Abandonment of a project from lack of interest or interference from external/internal, but every living thing left was a product of the Replicator? Therefore an extreme Ethical reasoning

[lethal moat]

Might mean replicator has ethics different from AE

[acoustic osprey]

In which this is a world building term as well

Where Apollo and other int corps use

Which is cool. There are others

[steel summit]

so basically all strains (i think)

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[lethal moat]

My immediate thoughts are that GOLEM may be a designation for failed experiments?

[steel summit]

all strains and creatures could be part of GOLEM, but also failures could be

[lethal moat]

Very vague currently

[steel summit]

if it monster it GOLEM is what im getting from those messages

[snow jasper]

GOLEM's stationed per island/island section, sending status reports to Apollo ( trying not to bring up Half Life's Advisors )

[lethal moat]

Monster and horribly disfigured are two very different things, and if GOLEM is used by multiple things feeding into Apollo, it wouldn't just be related to events in the islands, which makes me think it's adesignation for a failed experiment

I swear I put more brainpower into this game than I do into college and I still can't figure it out

[steel summit]

yeah of course, but since its used internationally by other corps as well im thinking monster but also failures

like the matriarch can be called disfigured from an outsiders point of view but its not a failure

so maybe its both

[swift dagger]

what are all of the non dinosaur monsters we have so far?

[lethal moat]

We just font know

[steel summit]

(off the top of my head)
tribals
eyeless
colossus
echidna
reaper
island walker (might not be canon)
the matriarch

[lethal moat]

Replicator as well

[steel summit]

since its AI i dont know if it can be classified as "monster"

[lethal moat]

Monster is whatever defenition you put on it

[steel summit]

yeah, but im guessing he was asking about actual creatures

[swift dagger]

Yeah.

Organic creatures.

[snow jasper]

Ping me if anything happens in the next few days, I'm in Brussels for a meeting and I'll be off to Ghana for a month with no contact so I'll just come to my inbox after

[steel summit]

and if really wanna get nerdy i could have said ptera, deino, quetz, megalania and so on

none of them are dinosaurs

[swift dagger]

I know tribals and eyeless will be playable, but I'm curious about colossus, echifna, and reaper.

[steel summit]

maybe, maybe not

[lethal moat]

Will do

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
What defines a monster

[lethal moat]

Thats what I'm sayin

[acoustic osprey]

Do we stick with the simple trope? Ugly and deformed?

[static mesa]

i always liked the alien beyond understanding more

[lethal moat]

I think monster is more about how they act than how they look

[static mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-the-im-gif-20475244

[ionic sable]

You all should read/watch Monster.

It's pretty good.

[lethal moat]

Who's it by?

[ionic sable]

Naoki Urasawa

[lethal moat]

It's going on the list

[pale marsh]

That honestly is worth discussing
Wether human strains will be playable in game (wether one of the trio, or something else)

[lethal moat]

Do we know if the stains of Dino’s are going to be playable, I know apex’s won’t be on officials, but will there be a way to become apex strain?

[pale marsh]

Apexes probably will be on officials eventually, good to clarify that
And strains are still gonna be playable I doubt that's changed

[lethal moat]

Gud

[pale marsh]

I remember a dev commented on the unofficials thing a bit ago

It's less that they don't want apexes on officials
More that they reserve the right to take any "problematic" dinos off officials if they do wish

Best they get that established with apexes sooner rather than later

[lethal moat]

Alright

[lethal moat]

"Feed the machine" by poor mans poison is the best thing I've got to describe what I know about the replicator

[pale marsh]

Do we wager tribals can or are capable of learning to read English/human writing in general?

[lethal moat]

I think they could, but they haven't

[low scarab]

I wonder if tribals will get mutations if they sacrifice enough people or dinosaurs to the replicator

[lethal moat]

Thats my assumption

[lethal moat]

I am intrigued and will look into it when I have money

Also, hyper gun, would it be mounted on top of the main base of operations? Wouldn’t it be better to have it mobile, like a Bradley or a tank?

[swift dagger]

I personally don't think tribals and eyeless will get strains but it would be neat to see what they would be like if they did.

[maiden sundial]

Eyeless are technically a strain themselves.

[swift dagger]

I suppose. Unique strain or would they be the result of an existing strain?

[maiden sundial]

Likely a neurotenic strain of the tribals.

[swift dagger]

If not nuero then definently tisso.

[pale marsh]

Weren't eyeless associated with the neuro mastermind (atleast in old lore)

[swift dagger]

I wouldn't know honestly.

[lethal moat]

I thought neuro of gen 1 was the echidna

[maiden sundial]

Echidna is the mother figure of the eyeless iirc.

[lethal moat]

But it’s the neuro in the trio of gen 1 strains, the reaper is tisso, colossus is hyper

[drifting cobalt]

do the organs of non-diet dinos give diet?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

[steel summit]

Lore man

had to do it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-nolan-grayson-omni-man-invincible-im-not-sure-gif-20997289

[ionic sable]

Morning lore theories, is there anything tragically formatted wrong here?

I am debating whether or not I should change the "1984-89. Apollo RED Software, Inc." to just "1984-89. RED Software, Inc."

But I'm not sure how that would feel, and it's hard to tell if that would fit with the original design of the roadmap OS

[lethal moat]

Do you guys think AE would offer scholarships or internships?

Like, are we talking Lockheed Martin style stuff where they get you right out of college if you show promise, or is it a much more refined and slow process where you get filtered through the layers so only the best and oldest of scientists get to work on the islands.

[steel summit]

i guess, but i feel like the unethical and shady stuff would be hidden from scholars and interns

[rapid chasm]

EvanW

EvanW_Obadmin

[EvanW] <--- employees name [OB] <--- FACILITY [ADMIN]

[ionic sable]

Pretty much yeah.

[rapid chasm]

What facility's would have OB

[ionic sable]

[polar schooner]

Looks amazing
1985-1989 would fit more
(1985 macintosh, if you know what i mean)

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
But no, due to roadmap

However, yes

Guess it truly depends on when Hacker places Apollo Red on the timeline

[acoustic osprey]

Truly it depends on whether or not Red actually made the software itself?

[ionic sable]

Updated it with proper syntax (I spent an hour reading through copyright laws only to realize how little it matters.)

Like, it literally only made me change 9 characters.

[polar schooner]

(i think the red technology tech is non-canon, so)

[ionic sable]

Yes (Maybe)

[acoustic osprey]

Well yes and no

Apollo Red is
But hacker being creative

As if one of Apollo's interesting subsidiary names

[acoustic osprey]

tastier

[lethal moat]

Monchy

[ionic sable]

Indeed, this is all for Apollo Files.
(And my own UI design hobby, but that's something I'll focus on later.)

RED Technologies is something that I just kinda took the name for, and ran with it. Pretty happy with the result.

This is honestly the part that has been taking up most of my effort recently tho.

Would love to hear thoughts on it.

[polar schooner]

Still not canon

[lethal moat]

But it's fun

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo Red?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cannot-talk-about-it-without-crying-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-i-get-teary-eyed-whenever-i-try-to-talk-about-it-its-too-painful-for-me-to-discuss-without-breaking-down-tim-robinson-gif-17423521611766489133

[polar schooner]

Red Technology

[polar schooner]

It is lol

[acoustic osprey]

in which is just based upon Red itself

creative branching

which is all of Apollo Files
Trying to stick to canon, but going off towards a story that develops itself by the writers/creatives ||until Don drops something controversial again||

[polar schooner]

I said Red Technology.. not the files.
I like it, I have nothing against it.

[acoustic osprey]

which is just based upon Red itself

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-invincible-what-did-you-say-what-is17more-years-17more-years-gif-21913838

[ionic sable]

I didn't think you had anything against it.

We're just basing RED Technologies on Red in actual lore.

[polar schooner]

There's a Red in the lore?

Are you sure it's not.. just a colour?

[ionic sable]

Yes.

Apollo Red

Subsidiary of Apollo Engineering.

[polar schooner]

As an old operating system for AE?

[ionic sable]

No, just a name.

Just like Mercury Beneficial.

[polar schooner]

Ah, so merely a name.

[ionic sable]

Correct.

[acoustic osprey]

it might be a colour

[polar schooner]

Bro.

[ionic sable]

But that name is pretty cool, and I had a lot of ideas for it.

So it has been adjusted

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-nolan-grayson-omni-man-invincible-im-not-sure-gif-20997289

[polar schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/vaas-far-cry3-insanity-surprise-gif-24092065

[acoustic osprey]

until Don comes in again and says "nuh uh" 😊

[ionic sable]

It's bound to happen again.

[polar schooner]

I see you added a star here, the Greek Vergina sun will fit that lol

[acoustic osprey]

uhhh 😊

[polar schooner]

It's the star of olympus

[acoustic osprey]

yeah. Again...

[acoustic osprey]

this one isn't truly based on the Greeks

[ionic sable]

That star does represent something, but it's not directly tied to Greek.

[polar schooner]

Hades entry??

[acoustic osprey]

no

[polar schooner]

Olympus Central Control??

[modern rover]

Apollo Red sounds more like a humanitarian aid thing tbh, which as a medicinal company, wouldn't be too farfetched

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png

[acoustic osprey]

for the general idea with Apollo Files, the name is more fitting in that story with the main ideas presented there

[ionic sable]

Yeah, I was actually thinking about that, but Red fits a bit better as the technological company.

I figured that humanitarian aid could just be done directly through supplying pharmaceutical products to various charities and governments directly rather than a separate company for that.

[modern rover]

the concept of Apollo providing charitable medical aid with a non-profit branch would honestly help it not appear as "generic evil company", while also solidifying its work as primarily medicinal in nature

[polar schooner]

I.. don't understand.
So.. The Isle doesn't have anything to do with Olympus?
But Olympus Central Control is there..?

[modern rover]

fair, considering they seem to have decent technological advancements, given the presence of the replicator

[ionic sable]

In writing, I moved forward with the assumption that Apollo needs a more technologically focused counterweight. Although they are very proficient with medicine and bio engineering, all of that is pointless if you don't have the data storage capabilities or processing power to operate at full potential.

In that regard I also decided to make RED something that is not solely dedicated to Apollo, but I'll get to that later.

This frame demonstrates that to a certain extent.

[polar schooner]

1985

[ionic sable]

Man, confusing people with dates is gonna be fun.

[acoustic osprey]

No

This is Apollo files

But the actual the Isle lore

[low scarab]

That is a very interesting message

[lethal moat]

I gave creating my interpretation of lore a shot

TW for gore ^

[dapper light]

can someone explain the lore simply

[swift echo]

big medical/agriculture corporation called Apollo has a smaller (but still large) company called Apollo Engineering (abbreviated as AE) that works with genetics and created dinosaurs and accidently made them into Strains, which have three (four? we dont know tho) genuses: Hyperendocrin (Type H), Neurotenic (Type N), ??? (Type-O), Tissoplastic (Type-T).

and somehow got human abominations nicknamed Tribals out of that (?)

[dapper light]

lets assume they moved their creations to some remote island with natives already there

[pale marsh]

No the tribals are undeniably created by AE

Hence their official name being "generation 1"

[dapper light]

well thats unethical

[swift echo]

AE is "morally grey" in the evil category.

[pale marsh]

Alot of ground breaking science is/was unethical

How did u think our understanding of anatomy came from?

[lethal moat]

I was about to say, how do you think we know people are 73% water?

[pale marsh]

Cuz I'll give u a hint, a good few of the corpses weren't ethically sourced nor were the family of the deceased asked for permission

[dapper light]

oh

[pale marsh]

And ofc
The rhesus monkey experiments

Tldr some guy emotionally tortured baby monkeys in the name of science

[swift echo]

humans at their finest

[lethal moat]

Bobo doll, Pavlov’s dogs, science has a long history of stuff that is iffy at very best

[pale marsh]

as inhumane as it was
The research has a major impact on psychology as a field

[swift echo]

Laika

[lethal moat]

Speaking of, what’s our opinion an matriarch and attachment theory?

[swift echo]

attachment theory?

[lethal moat]

Do you think that it will need something to guide it as it grows? The more adaptable something it, the more it’s developing is learning based, so it would need something to teach it.

[swift echo]

it would probably jsut fhj around and find out

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-stare-gif-25611330

[dapper light]

what

[lethal moat]

The matriarch be crazy, but I do wonder if either strains or the other assets will need human assistance to become full grown

[dapper light]

what does this mean

[swift echo]

The Matriarch?

[dapper light]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/704873459519455302/1139854110145904690/caption.gif

[dapper light]

whats the matriarch

[pale marsh]

I kinda hope matriarch and the humans strain trio are not playable

[lethal moat]

Our mother and savior of all my fine gentleman is the greatest creature to grace this planet

[bronze zodiac]

Wait you don't know about the matriarch

[dapper light]

what the ever loving fu

[pale marsh]

So the matriarch
There is old art of it made by tapwings before she was a part of the dev team

[lethal moat]

Unofficial art for you

[lethal moat]

Is at least 120 feet lonk

Full grown in this instance

[pale marsh]

But
What we know is it takes in matter (biomass?) And uses it to change it's form

Presumably an ever changing organism never in one shape for long

[swift echo]

Eldritch hyper-evolving creature from the depths of nightmares and beyond human comprehension

[lethal moat]

It evolves insanely fast to fit its environment

[dapper light]

what are these? Type-T's? H's?

[pale marsh]

Presumably tied to the tissoplastic strain
But not a strain itself

[bronze zodiac]

Matriarch is one of if not the scariest thing out there

[swift echo]

those are each stage in chronological order

[dapper light]

THESE ARE THE SAME THING

WHATAWHRFDawdHAwtJawtHqwtwahWHAT

[swift echo]

yup 🙂

[pale marsh]

Refer to this statement for the matriarch

[swift echo]

you got it!!

[dapper light]

a small FLY, turns into A MELANISTIC RODAN

[lethal moat]

Artwork isn’t canon, but it is confirmed for the game

[swift echo]

Mhmm. But that's only if it survives past that stage.

[dapper light]

so what does this kaiju have to do with lore?

[lethal moat]

Actually, it starts as a fly and can from there go big any way it chooses to, it evolves and changes form as it grows

[swift echo]

I'd assume survival rates would be very low for a creature so large and fragile at its newborn stage.

[lethal moat]

Momma

[swift echo]

it is called The Matriarch afterall.

[pale marsh]

Presumably part of AEs many experiments

[dapper light]

dear god

[bronze zodiac]

Oh boy this might take a while shortest way to say it is dinosaurs that have been modified with stuff like the type h are the dinos on steroids larger stronger heavy armerd and need to eat a lot

[pale marsh]

I'd wager a failed one

[swift echo]

Some theories proposed that it was a genetic pool for other experiments

[swift echo]

Apocalyptically terrifying doesn't exactly mean failed... but from what I've read from Tap's deviantart, then yes, failed. but all that isnt confirmed yet so

50/50

[dapper light]

i know that, type H is bulky supposed to increase resilience in humans
Type-N is supposed to help with alzheimers cause of the veins and EMP and intelligence
type-T is intelligence or mental problems with how veiny those boys are

[swift echo]

they are all likely part of medical advancements, yeah

[pale marsh]

Given AE is ultimately for the betterment of mankind
Im not sure how the matriarch would get a success

[lethal moat]

Matriarch is “related to” type t strain

[low scarab]

Interesting maybe they need something to make new genes inside of and the dinosaurs were perfect

[lethal moat]

Funzies

[low scarab]

Still can’t wrap my head around why dinosaurs

[pale marsh]

Did a little trolling

[swift echo]

food? medicine? Dondi is a troll we will have to see

[bronze zodiac]

@dapper light do you know about the reaper colossus and master mind

[swift echo]

oh god more traumatizing !!

[dapper light]

megamind and that

[low scarab]

Exactly like why not use any other animal like ik dinosaurs r cool but what’s the lore behind why use dinosaurs

[swift echo]

money

[swift echo]

you know about The Replicator?

[dapper light]

from ARK? from horizon zero dawn?

in short no

[swift echo]

machinegod bioprinter that the tribals worship.

[dapper light]

i would like the lore writers to remember this is a dinosaur game

[swift echo]

and she is always watching, likely through CCTV cameras. I'll grab some art that is implied to be her if i can find it

[bronze zodiac]

Ok from what we know reaper and mastermind are human subject's reaper is a type t and master mind is a type n colossus is a type h and might be a human but we don't know for sure

[swift echo]

dondi is absolutely insane. this is borderline dw

[dapper light]

also whenever i look in here people talk about specific individuals

[lethal moat]

Ben

[swift echo]

dondi is the director and lore master

[pale marsh]

Don't say that so confidently
Original the dinos weren't even meant to be playable

[dapper light]

im sorry what

[lethal moat]

Is going to be horror game first and foremost

[pale marsh]

Originally only humans weren't mean to be playable

[swift echo]

Assumed to be The Replicator

[pale marsh]

Then carnivore dinos, and eventually even herbis were playable

The isle was never "just a dino game"

[swift echo]

keyword ASSUMED!!

TI Lore rule: nothing is canon until Dondi says it is (even then it isnt always canon cus changes and reconfirmation lol)

[pale marsh]

Show him what tribals look like!!

[unborn atlas]

The tall spooky chads

[swift echo]

I dragged those from Isaac's doc lol

[dapper light]

dracula that you? what the hell is that if not the thing from splice

[swift echo]

unconfirmed size ref

[pale marsh]

The men

[lethal moat]

I like the things that tribals are going to be able to do

[swift echo]

climb

[lethal moat]

Nail dinosaurs to trees to send a message and basic crafting

[swift echo]

somebody get Isaac over here to confirm what i've explained

[swift echo]

sacrafice said dinosaurs to The Replicator too!!

[lethal moat]

Yep

[dapper light]

if i see a spino nailed against a cliff you are sure as hell im leaving them to the deinosuchus

[lethal moat]

Everything you’ve said is accurate so far Neuro

[swift echo]

mkay

[lethal moat]

Apparently you’re going to be able to crucify things as well

[dapper light]

crucify the troodon and fix it 💀

[lethal moat]

Walk into human base, see a dilo in bloody eagle pose, turn around, walk forwards

[swift echo]

Doing things that are suggested to you might directly relate to the fact that... you.... worship The Replicator, and it very very very very well might benefit you, in the eyes of this... machine, that is trying to get you to do things if you listen to it. So there is a very very very symbiotic relationship- very very beneficial relationship, to doing what The Replicator wants.

Oh, and she most definitely plays favorites- and worshipping something that brings you back repeatedly- I mean, wouldn't YOU build giant sacrificial temples to please it?

I mean.

I would.

But maybe that's just me. There'll be places for you to go, things for you to do, things for you to see... For you to drag people... willingly, or not, to put them in a place, to earn favor and a whole lot of death to get as many mutations as possible...

Well, there's an actual reason for being sacrificed, willingly, of course. Eventually, you will accomplish all you can, in.. one... lifetime. In one phase, you could call it. So there's nothing to do... but to, start... again, on the next level. You know, I live, I die, I live again.

So there's plenty of reasons to be sacrificed.. willingly. - Dondi

[lethal moat]

It’s still getting mimic

[lethal moat]

Love dis

[swift echo]

ngl I really hope the tribals still have the iconic Cannibal crackle from legacy

[dapper light]

wait so did the matriarch create the replicator or did the replicator create the matriarch

got me like

[swift echo]

he said that in a stream somewhere and I wrote it down

[swift echo]

replicator created matriarch

AE created matriarch

[bronze zodiac]

The replicator made matriarch

[dapper light]

so AE is replicator?

[lethal moat]

Or they are two completely independent things, we don’t know enough about either to start assuming things

[swift echo]

AE harnessed replicator somehow and the rest we dont know

[lethal moat]

Replicator is ai made by Apollo

[swift echo]

all replicator stuff is up for debate still cus don hasnt confirmed a lot of it

TI lore should be a form of torture

[lethal moat]

We know that it’s there

[pale marsh]

We know the replicator makes dinos! That's kinda it

[swift echo]

literally

[lethal moat]

I’ll waterboard to that bro

[bronze zodiac]

True

[pale marsh]

My favorite flavor of psychological warfare

[swift echo]

[bronze zodiac]

I wounder when we will ever see Tartarus or if we will ever see it I really want to know what else is in it

[lethal moat]

I want to know what’s in Tartarus, like, is the replicator there as well?

[swift echo]

gatway we forgot to explain gateway

[lethal moat]

Door to dark deep angy dino prison 😎

[bronze zodiac]

I mean we know matriarch and colossus are in there but what other secrets does it hide

[lethal moat]

(Probably) strains?

[lethal moat]

Sad primal carnage stuff

[swift echo]

thats facility b433 😦

||or wait is it 443||

[lethal moat]

Is old and tied to primal carnage

[swift echo]

ya so nonrelevant

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[swift echo]

rip

[lethal moat]

I want to see the hyper gun

[bronze zodiac]

Maybe but what if it hides something else we know Tartarus stores two of the most dangerous cretures maybe there is more stuff maybe equally as dangerous

[lethal moat]

Gustav!

[swift echo]

gateway is 1) an island 2) a facility. both w the same names

[swift echo]

schwerer gustav!!

our favorite bad guy railway gun

[lethal moat]

I think the hexadome has entrance

[swift echo]

i havent seen much of gateway but ill do that as homework some day. maybe today idk

[bronze zodiac]

Good chance

[lethal moat]

I watched all the videos I could find on YouTube, nobody got in GUTs and nobody got in the domes

[swift echo]

I wanna see AE pull out the USS Argo

[lethal moat]

Looking forwards to seeing it fully implemented

[swift echo]

dondi can't let us have it all 😭

[bronze zodiac]

Maybe the hexadome a place they put dinos in to be able to test in a more controlled environment

[swift echo]

Something like V3's Aviary probs. Or a greenhouse.

[lethal moat]

I didn’t realize how massive it actually was, I wonder how much is open and how much is human structure, because it also goes down pretty far

[polar finch]

does anyone know if gateway is gonna be the main map, or are they gonna keep making maps like legacy?

[lethal moat]

Swapping all officials over to Gateway, they may or may not be deleting spiro entirely, we don’t have any specifics

[polar finch]

ok

[lethal moat]

Gateway is going to be great

[bronze zodiac]

Ya probably will use a pt to find all I can around the map

[polar finch]

yah its gonna be awesome

i cant wait for the herra

[lethal moat]

I’m going troodon so human bases and GUTs is easier

[polar finch]

PT would be pretty cool

[bronze zodiac]

Good idea also might check the the under water with a biepi just incase that may hold some interesting stuff

[polar finch]

i wonder if they ever will increase the size of there servers so like 300 people could all play and there would be huge herds and stuff

[polar finch]

hopefully when gateway comes out they have the reefs and kelp forests and stuff

[lethal moat]

A group of friends and I are going different Dino’s to experience different things and hopefully trigger some of those event things Dondi was referencing

[polar finch]

what event things did he say?

[bronze zodiac]

Nice

[polar finch]

i never watched the stream

[lethal moat]

Time, place, species can trigger something sometimes

Happened in an older stream

[polar finch]

Oooo cool

[swift echo]

Have we solved this yet?

the blanks are 7 letters, 5 letters, 4 letters.

[bronze zodiac]

I am not sure

[modern rover]

from what we know, strains weren't an accident, they're a step in their research that they want to work on. Generation 1 was made in the attempt to recreate humanity, Generation 2 was them getting it right

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-better-homelander-antony-starr-the-boys-im-better-gif-25853880

Gen 2 are ooga booga spooky

[modern rover]

YOU CAN CRUCIFY THINGS AS A TRIBAL???

Okay I'm sold

[lethal moat]

ikr

[swift echo]

raptor jesus, pt 2

[lethal moat]

I want to be able to hang stuff from trees like a meat locker

[modern rover]

the thing i still find interesting is everything about the current lore implies that the dinosaurs and tribals AREN'T clones, which is extremely unique

[lethal moat]

going to be neat to see how it all plays out

[modern rover]

like, most dinosaurs are just clones in these kinds of things

but in this situation, Dondi seems to have gone all-in on the god complex narrative by having Apollo Engineering literally create life in their own image. They are able to customise, update and build animals from scratch

[swift echo]

im convinced The Replicator is literally just character selection

[lethal moat]

Can't have an ethics comittee if they don't qualify animals, but as bio projects

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[modern rover]

The way I think the Replicator works is literally an organic 3D printer. Notice how in the glance sheets, dinosaurs are referred to by "version number" and specifically in galli, a "prior version" was feathered and far less aggressive than the new, modern version

To me, this implies that they tried to make humans after their work with dinosaurs, not as a clone, but literally creating their own humans from scratch, and ended up with Generation 1 as their failed attempt

[swift echo]

"Extinct animals have no rights" - Hoskins

[lethal moat]

I don't know what to think about the replicator, I don't know enough

[modern rover]

It also explains why animals can deviate so far from their real counterpart, because AE isn't cloning them, they're using the basic structure and customising from there

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[pale marsh]

Clarification
I asked dondi if tribals will build human effigies using crucifixion as an example, and he said yes(via a gif)

[modern rover]

well, that's implying these are even the extinct animals, again, they aren't cloned. Apollo's carnotaurus and the extinct carnotaurus, are, by all accounts, completely different animals biologically

[pale marsh]

These are basically humonculous abominations

[modern rover]

They're made in the image of dinosaurs, but they are not the same creatures

It's almost like Apollo is merely using the dinosaurs as a reference sheet, like they're making something new but want something that worked in the past to go off

Less likely to make a failed creature if you build off animals you know worked in the past

[pale marsh]

I still like my ecological collapse idea
Where the planet is dying and AE is desperately tryna create new, "better" life to fix it

[modern rover]

well, based on the fact that the dinosaurs are referred to as "completely inedible to regular humans" in the past, idk about that

[pale marsh]

Who says there are many if any regular humans left
Maybe that's what gen1 and 2 were for

[acoustic osprey]

You're putting B443 (Big Daddy, rex from primal. Aka. Magna Rex) and the gateway from PC Genesis into one thing.
Technically, it's believed that that door is the front of the door from PC Genesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lf_Vrs9Dy0

[acoustic osprey]

fldsmdfr

[acoustic osprey]

then who's making them in the first place

[lethal moat]

I want to know what's in the hexadome.

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-gif-13767303

[acoustic osprey]

tartarus!!!!!

(truly, not so)

but, seeing as it's VERY big
It's either one large dome for a one major/large rnd reason
or contains multiple sections

basically a rnd/facility hub

I hope it's not a biodome
or at least, just a biodome

biodomes are boring.
Sure, fun for cool scenery
but make purpose for the asset that took hours to make

[lethal moat]

I want it to be a big entrance to an even bigger tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

Giant underground and dark gateway into Tartarus

[lethal moat]

Like the cap on top of a volcano with a magma chamber underneath

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/house-of-black-malakai-black-julia-hart-brody-king-entrance-gif-26224073

[lethal moat]

It could explode at any moment

[acoustic osprey]

I do hope it's not a rough cave-ish entrance
as cool as it is. I do hope it's more facility-esque

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-is-it-too-much-to-ask-for-both-avengers-ironman-too-much-to-ask-gif-7937143

[acoustic osprey]

spooky cave entrance into quite clear contrasted white and clean and sterile Tartarus facility 😊

[lethal moat]

I'm thinking opposite, massive cave that had facility put into it, so you see normal stuff, but behind the surface is so much more

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[lethal moat]

Big big cave with prison built inside and lots of crawly spaces

[novel prairie]

how is there lore to this game?

[lethal moat]

^cracks knuckles^
Prepare to get learndt

[novel prairie]

im ready to learndting

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/look-nolan-grayson-omni-man-sad-disappointed-gif-20907720

[lethal moat]

First things first, we need to to read two reports here:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing and here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit , the second one contains outdated stuff that may or may not still be canon, then we answer any and all questions

To the best of our abilities

[acoustic osprey]

(second being an archive of mostly Legacy lore)

[lethal moat]

Welcome to the (cult) club

[acoustic osprey]

best to read the "The Isle Lore" doc for the only reason of understanding old and new
How some old ideas may reappear into Evrima

such as Gateway

[lethal moat]

there's also a website and I may put together a comprehensive knowedge guide after I finish college stuff tomorrow for everything not dinosaur that we know of

I'm thinking on it

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

the last website with Isle lore is gone.
Do try it if you want. But I'd recommend it more when the lore, publicly, is more linear in understanding

rather than just splurts of info here and there

[acoustic osprey]

Unofficial Tapwing fan art for an idea of Matriarch
She is related to Tissos / Tisso rnd

[acoustic osprey]

Arkham Asylum called!!!

even then, even better without the noise cancellation

[lethal moat]

Right

[pale marsh]

Made by regulae humans at first
But by time of the isle, they are progressively getting fazed out by gen2, idk

[low scarab]

Do we know for sure the matriarch is tisso and not something else

[acoustic osprey]

It's not a Tisso
But related

And yes

[low scarab]

Gotcha

[lethal moat]

This chat is going to freak out when gen 1 or gen 2 are added to the living roadmap

[low scarab]

Fr

Same thing with gateway

[lethal moat]

Just took another look at the roadmap, always forget that weather is coming sooner than it was in the old roadmap

[low scarab]

I’m hyped for weather

Like really it’s going to be great hope they fix tracking before then though so the rain stopping scent is actually useful

[hollow sinew]

Can someone explain the lore (that we know of so far) of the isle in a few sentences or at least a paragraph? XD I’m really having a hard time keeping track of everything as most people are as well, but if anyone who has a solid understanding of it could explain it simply enough then I would appreciate it so much

[ionic sable]

So basically, there is a giant bio-engineering corporation named Apollo Engineering that got its start in agricultural research, and later developed into a pharmaceutical company. After this point, we don't have any idea of the chronological order of things, aside from the obvious, as 2 comes after 1, but other than that, there is a very definitive lack of dates or timeframes for any of the things I am about to mention.

Some time after switching to pharmaceutical research they somehow switched to the production (Replication) of various species, thus, the creation of paleontological assets. Apollo also acquired various large Islands and regions, designating all of them for testing and research purposes. The early development of Generation 1 also occurred, followed by the Eyeless, then later Generation 2, strains were also developed in this timeframe, assumedly by modifying (or injecting) genetic material which can turn certain assets into various large or otherwise menacing freaks of nature. That is how Apollo Engineering is assumed to exist until some form of large incident occurred.

We have no idea what the incident was, as that is kind of the largest mystery to solve in the game's lore from what we know. After the incident, life continued on the Islands, leading to the modern day, and surprisingly, the modern day is one of the things we know the least about, there are a lot of things in the UI and menus for the creatures, however, we have no idea how applicable that lore is considering it is all "old" lore from legacy, which very well could have been rewritten. But we do know that a lot of, if not all biological assets survived and/or continued to be replicated.

It is also worth noting that there are various large lore elements that I left out purely due to lack of knowledge, for instance, Tartarus, the Replicator, Apollo's motivations and goals, how they transitioned from agriculture to dinosaurs, and tons of other things.

I know this is a bit longer than a paragraph, but I hope this helps you either way.

[hollow sinew]

THANK YOU! Thank you so much, this is so helpful 😭😭 and no worries about it being long, that’s just what I needed. This makes a lot more sense to me now XD

[maiden sundial]

I mean there's also the possibility they're all 3. Pharma, food, and genetics.

[ionic sable]

Yep, but it's easier to put it down as a transition.
Obviously they likely continued involvement in those industries, but the main focus of Apollo in the narrative (FROM WHAT IT SEEMS) still shifts, and I was just trying to focus on that.

[acoustic osprey]

I presume AE is more so genetics

whereas Apollo itself focuses more on being the brand with different subsidiaries

it would be quite strange to just drop your actual ways of income

in which, from the original reply from Don, they got "A lot of money" from food

[fading vessel]

Deinosuchus when north west

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOHN5czd1eDkyZ2dtNWttZzBnZnczbjhkZDY5d2R1cHphMWNieTF6eiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/8kem6a7mV1fIEGH6XL/giphy.gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-nolan-grayson-omni-man-invincible-im-not-sure-gif-20997289

[swift echo]

yeah ik i was just putting how I imagine Gateway to be similar to that door, if not the exact same replica

[acoustic osprey]

to tartarus?

[lethal moat]

I want it to be a massive elevator down, just like: loading area that sinks into the ground and then after like a minute or two of travel, you're in tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

I do want it to be grand

elevator that goes down to the front of the gates of Tartarus

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[swift echo]

nah, Don mentioned something abt how Gateway was the name of both an island and a facility, i imagine the B443 door to be the "gateway" of Gateway (the facility)

[acoustic osprey]

No, not facility
Gateway is the gateway to tartarus

[swift echo]

then yes the gateway to tartarus as the B443 door

[acoustic osprey]

but not the B443 door!!!

unless maybe it is

we never knew about it properly
and gateway was still prominent in legacy

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[lethal moat]

I imagine the gateway facility is nothing compared to tartarus, but it's considered it's own facility because not everybody in charge of guarding tartarus would have security clearance to go into tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

did Don say "gateway" was a facility?

https://gyazo.com/7d5e2aedec09c46be6e6e54f44d437a8

[lethal moat]

Nope, just my assumption, anything that needs to be big enough to allow hypers through the door would be bigger than all the facilities on spiro, other than the docks, so I find it easier to seperate the gate and tartarus as two seperate things because one is scary and the other is scarier

[acoustic osprey]

but scary and scarier makes scarierier

[lethal moat]

Yes, they are very connected, but I consider them seperate because I don't want scarierier in my life

[acoustic osprey]

damn!

[swift echo]

isaac since you're here, have you/anybody else that owns lore docs added anything abt the GOLEM/Ceti stuff? I know there isn't that much abt it but anyways 🤷‍♂️

[acoustic osprey]

we know GOLEM is an internationally recognised and used identifier

[swift echo]

did he really confirm gateway was an entrance to tartarus 😏 or just had something to do with tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[swift echo]

so a category of assets? strains?

[lethal moat]

If I have time on sunday, I'm planning on making a doc that contains everything we know and explains things like replicator and matriarch

[acoustic osprey]

used mostly for Tribals
Under Deimos Project

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-invincible-what-did-you-say-what-is17more-years-17more-years-gif-21913838

but, there might be something with GOLEM for Strains:

What is [insert horrible disfigured thing here]?

GOLEM derivative.

Ah.

[swift echo]

oh lets go!! we have Isaac's "official" doc with all the "confirmed" stuff and now we have rumple's "theory" doc 🙂

[swift echo]

deimos project?

[lethal moat]

I'm going to be changing things out so often

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
You can guess what that could mean
but seeing as it's the "the personification of fear", that could mean something

Well, Ceti is a Greek word for Cetus
Which is a sea monster/whale

Golem is a Jewish Folklore aspect, nothing on them in Greek Mythos, but it would make sense
Golems are creatures made of clay/mud that are brought to life

Which we could honestly just get a Pygmalion, who falls in love with a statue he has created, and who eventually prays to Venus to bring the statue to life. Venus grants his wish, and the statue becomes a real woman named Galatea.

And then, as you might've guessed already, Deimos is the "God of terror and dread", and son of the god of war

What does trial entail for a tribal?
Is it a reference to proper science trials
The process of testing or evaluating the effectiveness, safety, or feasibility of a new product, technology, or method.

Which would make sense

And to which maybe the name Ceti, being Greek, would entail that AE already know that Tribals come out like they are
But they plan to spend no expense and continue their work
And Golem, very easily, being that they are made like "Adam and Eve" but the mighty God known as Apollo Engineering
Telling themselves they own this mighty power, as they can create near-human life
Naming basically everything after Greek Deities or Gods
Honestly, I'm just waiting on more Titan stuff
like in old lore
AE got very selfish and prideful in old lore with their naming
or trial is physical combat
Which wouldn't make sense if AE want to be more on the "business-side"

Unless it's simple "Test to see if X Tribal can actually live" trial, for Tribal Youth/YA

^ this is both me

[swift echo]

phobos yelling in the corner rn OH THE LAG

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/shivering-dog-shiver-me-timbers-shiver-me-timbers-dog-gif-23060744

all religion stuff

[acoustic osprey]

i prefer the word cult 😊

Hellenism is more a religion now (organised faith) due to an actual better interconnection with the world around us
vs Greek City states that shared a culture and "belief" but did not, as a whole, like each other

especially if you were a Greek Islander vs Greek mainlander

but, that weird funny bias within Greek culture is more modern

which honestly, we might into more cultist actions with AE/Apollo
Who knows

[swift echo]

have we solved this btw?

[acoustic osprey]

especially seeing as Apollo is also an Anatolian god as well

[acoustic osprey]

No.
How old is this as well?

(i tried checking old messages here. Could not find anything as well)

[swift echo]

no clue, I found it in HellShade's doc (or whoever owns it forget)

[acoustic osprey]

ah

[swift echo]

you could prob check TI's stuff if that post is still up

[acoustic osprey]

Sprinkles also helped
seems like their account is deleted now

[acoustic osprey]

true that

[swift echo]

the blanks on that are 7 letters, 5 letters, 4 letters

[acoustic osprey]

ironically enough
it was posted almost exactly three years before Evrima was released

[swift echo]

oh?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah lol

https://twitter.com/theisleofficial/status/889553933458329600

The Isle (@theisleofficial)

For three years, we waited.

---

Likes

541

Retweets

867

Twitter · Jul 24, 2017, 6:32 PM

[swift echo]

ill add that to the exploratory team for questions, see if Don could answer pretty please

[acoustic osprey]

the best you could say is is "Carnage Comes, Help"

or Carnage Comes Home

which would make sense
this was during the time of PC x Isle

[swift echo]

when did PC become non canon, then?

[acoustic osprey]

Evrima

it's all by itself now

https://gyazo.com/1569bc86fe3131349ed3687b9186d6ae

[swift echo]

no more partnerships 🚫

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!

[swift echo]

its likely carnage comes home :/ damn we almost had a lead

[acoustic osprey]

too old honestly though

[swift echo]

yeah. assume anything except the bigger things (such as gateway) from legacy are noncanon now

[lethal moat]

I want to know the significance of the massive dam on gateway

[swift echo]

titan lake but 3x as big

[lethal moat]

DEEP

[acoustic osprey]

to stop water

[vague root]

It might have been made to hold water

[swift echo]

water treatment plant

[acoustic osprey]

the dam was there and led into a large mountainous valley
So, I believe they made the dam to stop that area being flodded

[swift echo]

The Hyper rex isn't real, it can't hurt you

The Hyper rex:

||(pretend the indom is green)||

[acoustic osprey]

lol

well, old H-Rex was green
unsure about new one

[swift echo]

if it was albino/white, then everybody would say "oh its indom! oh its rudy!" lalalala like the stuff TI dealt with when we had the magna rex

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

what do you mean with Magna Rex?

[low scarab]

I like the split jaws on the hypers

[swift echo]

everybody said TI copied PC cause its rex looked similar to the Magna

[acoustic osprey]

it is though

Magna Rex is a copy of Big Daddy (The PC rex)

and it's supposed to be
due to lore

[swift echo]

allfather = big daddy

[acoustic osprey]

Operation Inferno
Big Daddy died but they took samples of it and made Magna Rex

Big Daddy is also known as B443

[swift echo]

what was the other one?

there were two

[acoustic osprey]

B443 and 442

[swift echo]

yeah!! what was B442? B443 was the facility right

magnaraptor/nova?

[acoustic osprey]

User Inquiry: All-Father Designate from Specimens B-442 and B-443. Status: Destroyed in Operation Inferno

Albeit, yes, it was referred to as All-father for Isle lore

[acoustic osprey]

novaraptor 🤷‍♂️ magna-raptor
who knows

never got to that point

[acoustic osprey]

b443 is not a facility name
it's the name of the Rex specimen

[swift echo]

theres so many Bs and so many 44s 😭

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[swift dagger]

Just a small question, why exactly did AE decide to bring back dinosaurs? I was thinking about how AE was an agricultural association, then changed to pharmaceutical. But at what point did they decide to go all jurassic park and bring back extinct animals?

[acoustic osprey]

Food

[swift dagger]

Really?

[acoustic osprey]

and no
What Hacker said isn't 100% accurate

agricultural research, and later developed into a pharmaceutical company

There exists one mother/parent company for AE
this company is just called "Apollo"

there are it's subsidiaries
Such as Apollo Engineering, Apollo Red, Apollo Pharmaceuticals North, etc

we cannot say for certain Apollo stopped their food production
as we know it was a strong source of income

it is more likely that Apollo Engineering was created, under the route of "food production" by Apollo, for rnd-based production/tests

like how Strains are linked with medicine, but not directly/solely.

but we know Apollo went down making dinosaurs in an early stage of their food production
but the food isn't made of dinos

[swift echo]

mercury beneficial

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/precious-gif-26557642

[acoustic osprey]

send it!!

[lethal moat]

A general guide to lore that will be updated as new lore presents itself, would appreciate pinned so it is easier to show people, thanks! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[acoustic osprey]

I second this

[kindred bobcat]

ru aware everyone can suggest/add coments?

[acoustic osprey]

yes they are

https://gyazo.com/faa938cab95afc6c522ee73eece17034

[kindred bobcat]

im blind

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[kindred bobcat]

wait now in coufsed here, the tribal lady from legacy was she gen 1? Or is she not lore related/discountied/very old lore

[acoustic osprey]

which lady

[kindred bobcat]

i feel like im missing or forgeting smt

[acoustic osprey]

can you send a photo

[kindred bobcat]

the gal with the bow

[acoustic osprey]

that was a placeholder

those were never the proper tribals

just a temp placeholder

[kindred bobcat]

alr so no lore stuff? or any generation stuff

[acoustic osprey]

aye
nothing about them

[low scarab]

On gateway I want to be walking down the tunnels of GUTS and have the thousand life contract song start playing

[cerulean knoll]

If Type M gets replaced by whatever Type O is going to be, what will happen to Magnaraptor and Magnatyrannus? are they being scrapped?

[lethal moat]

type-O is also no longer canon

[lethal moat]

It's all scrapped

[cerulean knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/raptor-sad-dinosaur-trex-dino-gif-13324103

R.I.P. the magnas..

[lethal moat]

Yeh

[cerulean knoll]

well hopefully someone can mod them in way down the line when modding is a thing again cause I was really lookin forward to magnaraptor

[lethal moat]

There is so much we don't know, you might get something you like better

[cerulean knoll]

tru tru

[iron anchor]

does hypo and cannibals still exist?

is this just a dinosaur and human survival game now?

[pale marsh]

Strains (hyper neuro and tisso) and the tribals/eyeless amongst many other freaky things are still canon

[ionic sable]

What the hell is a hypo?

[iron anchor]

hooray

[ionic sable]

We even have the updated redesigns for both Gen 1 and the hyper rex.

[iron anchor]

pics?

[ionic sable]

Gimme a sec

[pale marsh]

(gen1=tribals)

[ionic sable]

Well lemme grab the hyper one sec

[lethal moat]

Have a hyper and a hypo fight and watch as a hyper rex strolls through an empty field

[lethal moat]

May I recommend the doc I made at 2 last night: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit for all your isle lore immediate questions.

[iron anchor]

nice thanks

[lethal moat]

I’m a little bit hesitant on the tusks, but I do wonder if others are going to get the split jaw again

[ionic sable]

I'm a little curious whenever I hear that...

Why do people dislike the tusks?

[sinful garden]

it's just different tastes in design

i think they look sick

[pale marsh]

The hyper tusks and gen1 just tells me dondi likes oni

[lethal moat]

I always just associate them with mammals. Like, the gen 1 tribal extruding fangs are cool. Just hesitant to see it on anything but a mammal

[ionic sable]

[sinful garden]

monster goes brrr

[pale marsh]

(Oni being a Japanese demon/ogre)

[lethal moat]

Like Oslo said, just a preference thing

[lethal moat]

The Isle Lore Theory Document - Containing all keywords and information you need to know https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[sinful garden]

unless there's a particular reason we don't pin them, i'm happy to

[lethal moat]

Thanks a ton!

[acoustic osprey]

little design motif 😊

[lethal moat]

I wonder if anything in the isle is going to fit a spider-like ambush role. Mono doesn’t count because they have to find their prey after they run away.

[lethal moat]

I’m not saying I don’t like them, I’m just saying

https://tenor.com/view/senator-palpatine-anakin-skywalker-phantom-menace-gif-10607636

[swift echo]

hyper rex probs has mammalian dna along the line somewhere

[lethal moat]

You make an excellent point

[acoustic osprey]

now you must check the doc again

[lethal moat]

When I get back to my pc

[acoustic osprey]

fine!!

[iron anchor]

weren’t there creatures that were embodiments of the strain or something

like hyperendocrin was colossus i think

like this dude

did that get cancelled

[acoustic osprey]

humanoid hyperendocrin

they're still canon within Evrima currently

they're likely not to be playable in the foreseeable future
but still a lore entity

[iron anchor]

even as ai?

[modern rover]

i mean, IDK why you'd add the colossus just as AI

[iron anchor]

epic boss fight

the isle mmorpg

[modern rover]

not really a boss fight as much as a genocide

[acoustic osprey]

even less likely

[iron anchor]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

i'd much prefer to fight a real human player as Colossus

[modern rover]

yea, fr

[acoustic osprey]

than AI
much more genuine in my opinion

[iron anchor]

let’s hope modding support is crazy

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[iron anchor]

if a player has access to colossus it’ll just be spamming 2 call and taking care of the whole server

mom simulator

[modern rover]

doubtful, considering it'd die within moments from the starvation lol

[lethal moat]

Done

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/attaboy-green-goblin-norman-osborn-willem-dafoe-spider-man-no-way-home-gif-25179343

[lethal moat]

My current idea for the replicator is that the gen 1 just toss stuff into a pit to sacrifice it, but the replicator collects stuff at the bottom and remakes or reuses whatever comes down, ergo, I think the replicator is directly linked to Tartarus