isle-lore-theories

[low kite]

depends on ammunition type, also most dinos are armoured and have way thougher skin than bears

[rapid chasm]

their adding hi powered snipers.

AE left millions of assets on the islands they own, why would they not have a high powered sniper

[modern rover]

Because it's a goddamn medical company

Not a hunting range

[rapid chasm]

Depends, they need to have someform of security, and when humans come out im making my own unoffical faction lmfao

[modern rover]

They have security, they have structures literally built to keep dinosaurs out

And for those which can get in, they have firearms to just kill 'em

[rapid chasm]

A hypo woul survive after being magdumped from a M16

[modern rover]

okay but i dont see what that has to do with anything

[rapid chasm]

You need a larger round to take down something like that

[modern rover]

they also have literal constructions designed to keep hypers out

[rapid chasm]

dondi said a "anti hyper gun" is gonna be added

[modern rover]

the best way to deal with a hyper is to not engage with it at all

[rapid chasm]

best way to deal with them to kill them

[modern rover]

not engaging with it at all kills them

[modern rover]

which could be something like a sci-fi gun that is designed specifically to exploit its weaknesses like insane hunger, but be less impactful/useless on regular dinosaurs because a hyper's biology is vastly different

the anti-hyper gun could literally just shoot an oversized syringe that makes hypers need to eat more or shutting off their accelerated regeneration, killing them without needing insane ballistics

[rapid chasm]

yes but it needs power so the plunger can be deployed

[modern rover]

you don't need to completely powerscale the guns to tank level to deal with hypers, you can work with the concept of fictional settings to avoid making guns that wipe a T-Rex off the planet in a single shot

[pale marsh]

I still really really want a mounted gun station that can only target hypers

[strange shell]

Hemotoxin-coated rounds that prevents regeneration maybe ?
On any dino it's just normal round, but instead of having absurdly high HP hypers just regenerate super fast, and these special rounds negate that

[rustic urchin]

Hoping that’s the general idea of the hyper gun

Target the healing factor

[pale marsh]

I'm not convinced targetting it's healing would do much

You'd first and foremost need to get thru it's armor and hide
Which needless to say will probably be tougher than actual tank armor plating

[strange shell]

Imagine a Hyper rex has 15k health, but regenerates 500hp per second. Negating its healing will be SUPER important if you want to kill it

[pale marsh]

Ok but how are you going to do any meaningful DMG anyway

[strange shell]

Take the biggest rounds you have
Take them all
Shoot until it stops moving

[pale marsh]

You'd need some serious heavy ordinance
Armor piercing weapons. And not bullets. Explosives like an rpg
Things meant to pierce and rip thru metal

I'd prefer a heavy ordinance weapon that takes huge chunks of HP. And than have a hypers Regen drain it's hunger even faster than normal

So u either kill it outright
Or cause it starve itself faster

[strange shell]

In the end, it's still a videogame. We don't want RPGs because they allow to massively grief other players and don't fit the setting of an overrun island owned by a medical company. Bullets will have to do some damage

[pale marsh]

Station. Mounted. Coil gun.
Needs to be repaired and maintained by gen2 but can only target hypers

[strange shell]

Why would it only be able to target hypers ?

Does that mean it's 100% useless most of the time ?

[pale marsh]

1. Gameplay
2. In lore it could have been built for this specific reason. Deal with escape hypers. But failed in lore for some reason

And the facility it would be attached to would probably have other useful resources for humans

So the gun would only be needed for hypers by the building itself would always be useful

And 3. Coil/ rail guns are frickin awesome. And real

[strange shell]

I don't like the idea of the way to deal with hypers being an automated weapon
It'd ruin the fun of the fight

[pale marsh]

A. Repair gun
B. Wait for gun warm up (would maybe have an alarm or tower or lights that would alert the entire map including any hypers)
C. Either dinos or tribals raid the base to eat the humans. Or the gun warms up and fires

So it could be a base defense/race against time ordeal

[strange shell]

meh

[pale marsh]

Or have stupid "haha no heal" gun sure. Don't ask how the gun or any other weapon even hurts the hyper
Jus don't think about it

[strange shell]

When talking about fighting a hyper, I'd expect to actually be fighting a hyper rather than doing tower defense against a bunch of raptors

[pale marsh]

I'd rather have something akin to a server wide world event. Than a mcguffin gun

Or maybe even to have more interaction with the hyper
You would need someone to shoot the hyper with a tracking device in order to aim it

[lethal moat]

Pretty sure this is bs since hypos haven’t even been confirmed for Evrima yet

[pulsar moss]

Its one of the key feature of the game if they do not add them that would be strange

[meager junco]

I think they have, they’re supposedly the last thing they’ll be working on,

Not saying you’re wrong as Ik how quick people get heated in this disc lol

[lethal moat]

It’s all good, I just haven’t heard anything about it since legacy

[pale marsh]

They have. Hyper rex even got a redesign. But as stated above. Not a priority rn

[lethal moat]

Nice

[rapid chasm]

strains are the last thing their gonna be working on

[meager junco]

I forgot I’ve had this in my phone for like 2 years

[lethal moat]

I thought that was an older concept art

Oh damn, it’s after Evrima I was wrong

[ionic sable]

Not necessarily.

[ionic sable]

@acoustic osprey
Someone said "Hypo" in lore chat.
You know what must be done.

[acoustic osprey]

Hypers have been

[brave sinew]

I cant imagine a way Hypos fitting in The isle Gameplay

[pale marsh]

Ur right
Cuz hypos don't exist. Hypers do

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, good to know they, hypos, won't!!!

[maiden sundial]

They're not hypoendocrines. They're hyperendocrines

[brave sinew]

Hypo.

[maiden sundial]

Their name is hyperendocrine. Due to their overactive endocrine system.

Hence why they look like absolute units

Hypo would mean hypoendocrine. Meaning their endocrine system is lacking.

[brave sinew]

I think that is a 🤓 moment

[bold crater]

It's true though Hypo is entirely community made.

[maiden sundial]

But it's true. Hypo is the community name. Hyper is the abbreviation of the real name

[acoustic osprey]

Hyperendocrins

you lose the e, likely due to it's not referring to the endrocine system when you're talking about the strain/The Hyper

[maiden sundial]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, at least, that is how it is written

which would make sense

[nocturne chasm]

So what is the lore 🤔 people creating dinos for warfare?

[acoustic osprey]

No, not really

[pale marsh]

no, no warfare

[nocturne chasm]

People creating dinos for fun?

[pale marsh]

we dont know why

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/inglourious-bastards-gif-20538816

Well, we got some clue why from Don

[pale marsh]

but before the dinos they did food and agriculture shtuffs

[acoustic osprey]

Fun fact, Apollo (the company which made all this, in-game) started as a food/agricultural company

[pale marsh]

we know the switch to dinos happened early on, and they did botany before, hy the switch? idk, id presume something to do with the replicator

[nocturne chasm]

replicator?

are the dinos in hand or out of hand 🤔

[swift echo]

bioprinter and machine god the eyeless worship

[pale marsh]

iirc, AI/machine that was involved with the creation of the dinos, and went rouge for some reason

[acoustic osprey]

They still do botany

[pale marsh]

yea but thats less cool

[acoustic osprey]

Unsure on that part
At least we know she's involved with Apollo and that Tribals sacrifice things to her

if you ignore very old user inquiries from Old lore

[acoustic osprey]

uhhh, Hyper Plants!!

[pale marsh]

we really dont much about the replicator in any meaningful way

[pale marsh]

erm, neurotenic plants

[acoustic osprey]

in an Evrima context, sadly, basically nothing

[acoustic osprey]

tissoplastic plants!!!

https://tenor.com/view/dance-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-jumping-hit-the-balloons-hit-the-candies-gif-21430671

[pale marsh]

thats just a normal weed

[swift echo]

what u mean bro

[acoustic osprey]

Uhhh, but can normal weed give me regeneration, for things such as lost limbs organs!?

[pale marsh]

wwell it gives u nutrietns and material ur body uses to repair itself, u just need to eat alot

so techincally if u ignore alot of steps and actual biology

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/tchau-gif-24130650

real

[acoustic osprey]

nuh uh!

[pale marsh]

tho, i do hope there will be actual modified super plants in whatever map comes after gateway [were still getting a larger map yea?]

maybe modified plants in the biodomes on gateway even?

[swift echo]

speaking of lore I just told a John Hammond AI bot about AE and hes fuming

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[swift echo]

getting lost in the sauce fr

[pine owl]

Are u guys talking about biting a chuck out of this thing to heal missing organs and limb

[haughty axle]

Maybe I’ve just been absent from the isle for too long. But it seems that a lot of the lore behind the isle that the devs where designing and implementing kinda got scrapped. Like the Dino human hybrid, mercenaries, tribals, hypos, nictas, nueros. All the stuff.

[acoustic osprey]

No

[modern rover]

Hypers. neuros, generation 1, generation 2, all are still canon

Nyctas have never once been part of the lore

[acoustic osprey]

the Dino Human Hybrids (Echidna, Colossus and Reaper) are still here

Mercs are renamed and redesigned to be more Genetically made Humans by AE

Tribals are here, we just got A LOT of information on them

And the strains:

• Hypers
• Neuros
• Tissos
  Are back

Nictas, I believe you're talking about the fanmade strain Anthomnia made
is fanmade

oh and wave, O's are apparently not being replacement Magnas

[modern rover]

Good, I hope they're something cool and unique

And not "hypers but slightly less hyper"

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

unless I read it wrong

[modern rover]

Seems like they won't be variants?

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so.
Then it seems like O-Quetz is just Drone Quetz

well it's one of these three

but Magnas might have been replaced with a new version
Magnas weren't technically strains, but more so "Variants"
this new name might start with "O", as hinted with Dondi

albeit, I can't remember how fast Don replied to it

[modern rover]

IDK, as long as Type-O isn't a more boring version of other strains, I'm happy

[strange shell]

Can't wait for the Oreo strain

[modern rover]

I do very much like the idea of mechanical animals, although I'm not entirely sure how you can make them engage with survival elements

[haughty axle]

Oh okay. I haven’t seen anything from Anthomnia about those. I thought the devs just abandoned all of that when they started up on evirma

[acoustic osprey]

I mostly believe it's because all CCs, besides yours truly ||excluding Apollo Files dudes||, who care at the moment

They'll get onto it when it becomes larger and squash everything I've tried to preach about what's confirmed

So, I've been needing to make a proper lore video

but, you'll likely see them making a video once lore stuff get added properly in-game

[modern rover]

I hope some stuff will be with finished Gateway

[acoustic osprey]

to what we know from Don, sadly, lore stuff won't be properly implemented in U7/Gateway update

[haughty axle]

Why did they decide to switch from legacy to Evirma? Cause honestly I really miss progression Acro and the V3 map.

[modern rover]

Because Legacy was becoming entirely impossible to work with

It broke at every opportunity

Also legacy was full of design flaws that made it clunky and not fit for the devs visions for the game

What with the entire game being balanced around turn radii

[haughty axle]

That’s fair enough

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[maiden sundial]

Also if memory suffices around the time when the guy who started PoT left the code just broke.

[haughty axle]

Makes you wonder if he broke the code for legacy

[acoustic osprey]

He might have

[acoustic osprey]

His resume with previous games never looked great, honestly

[lethal moat]

Trying to think what type o would be called, but can’t really find cybernetics terms that fit the vibe other than oroboros, and I don’t even think that works either

And there is a lot of stuff involving optimization and objectification, which might work, but don’t really know.

[strange shell]

type O could have something to do with bone growth
Being osteo-something
Osteogenic for example

[acoustic osprey]

it could literally just be the name for the Drone Quetz

Observation Quetz 👁️

or it's a whole strain, yet to be revealed

or it's gone and Don changed his mind

[swift echo]

i hope not cause I was fr looking forward to the Type-Os 😭

[lethal moat]

Butt eye want mi typos to be literal terminators

Wait, what if the type-O is the anti hyper machine Dondi mentioned

[strange shell]

It's confirmed to be a strain

[lethal moat]

Alright, but what I mean is, what if it is created by humans to combat the other strains.

[strange shell]

Well that'd be a terrible idea
Unless it's a robot

But if it's a robot then it's not a strain

[lethal moat]

This boi, and it could be implemented like a strain but different if that makes sense?

[strange shell]

Yeah but... that thing isn't gonna kill hypers
Unless it can spit uranium rounds

[lethal moat]

Alright, but imagine this as a giga

[strange shell]

It'd still be regular-giga sized
It's not killing a hyper giga

[lethal moat]

Maybe it has something we don’t see, like gas

[brave sinew]

Oh no its german

[undone frost]

is that still in lore where players are dinos or they're humans?

[vestal agate]

My personal interpretation of what dondi said is that the humans would be trying to shut down everything which would lead to a server wipe. It would essentially be a primary goal of the dinos to stop them

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
Well, we don't know anymore

[strange shell]

I hate you and this place with all my heart

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[swift echo]

fbi do you know of a universal threat called Apollo Engineering (lightclaw I swear to the replicator, ignore this)

[swift echo]

ignore that last part focus on the question.

[plucky shuttle]

I was reading about the lore on the isle wiki and only just now found out how interesting it is, I've probably barely scratched the surface of it though. I would watch someone I've heard of (MeatyLock's) videos but I don't want to get confused since I know that some stuff isnt canon anymore due to the separation from primal carnage

[nocturne cosmos]

bassiclly rn nothing is rlly cannon fully alot of stuff got changed or removed

[plucky shuttle]

I'm still interested in it though

[acoustic osprey]

Don't even read the wiki

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing
just read this

(it's also in the pinned messages if you lose the doc)

[frozen ridge]

Thank you

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dreamers-musicmakers-willywonka-gif-5966084

[frozen ridge]

Very interesting read

[glossy quest]

Have they mentioned if humans are coming through in the Gateway drop?

[acoustic osprey]

humans have already been launched

but if you're talking about better fleshed out humans
no, not yet

[glossy quest]

Yeah like as in momentarily playable, for use

I think they should just roll it out, and give them guns and see what the playerbase does

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, update 8 would be great for them

[glossy quest]

Whats next, 7?

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as roadmap redo

[acoustic osprey]

Aye.
A bit too much for u7, if Elders + Gateway + Perks is still for u7

[glossy quest]

Is it redone? the roadmap? We got a link?

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

still waiting

[glossy quest]

Ah okay

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[cinder atlas]

Soon ™️

Also, yeah, the wiki is cursed af.

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

[frozen ridge]

Nice

I am very excited to see what is planned

Especially Minmi

[pulsar moss]

So what we really learn from the recent lore drop ?

[lethal moat]

Tribal stuff and vague origins of AE

[pulsar moss]

Ok thanks

[ionic sable]

Literally the most information we've gotten on Apollo's origins ever.

Is quite hype.

[lethal moat]

Indeed, I wasn’t expecting Dondi to say that it started off as a agricultural botany company

[ionic sable]

I was

[lethal moat]

[ionic sable]

I had a different presumption about the results of the botany experiments, but it's the same philosophy.

I assumed it was Paleo botony + they discovered some form of bacteria that assumedly leads to strains.

But having it be a byproduct also fits quite well.

[lethal moat]

I wonder when humans start to shut down the replicator, it sends out a signal alerting all of it’s creations to defend it? That would be cool

[swift echo]

Brings back the "GOLEM"/"The Replicator is not without its protectors." theories again.

[lethal moat]

Just hordes of players who don’t want their dino wiped coming to kill every human in sight

[icy onyx]

Imagine

[young sphinx]

I asume you will get direct access to in-game lore through the human gameplay right

[lethal moat]

When fully implemented, possibly?

[lime kestrel]

This is a God send I'm still new to the isle only been playing a couple of weeks and loving it but I wanted to know more about the lore and how the dinosaur got there etc and been search and have found bits and pieces some of which are included in the and it's brilliant

[lethal moat]

Agreed, I didn’t realize we had a ‘fresh’ one.

[plucky shuttle]

Thanks for this

I read through it, one of the main things I think I understand is that the Tribals/generation 1 weren't people stranded on the island somehow (which was my blind guess solely on the name tribal), but the first try at genetically creating humans, which is why they look almost alien. However I can kind of see an ape like skull structure, which would make sense since we humans are primates. Also the bigger teeth (idk what to call them) reminds me of those found in other primates.

I know the skull pictured (chimpanzee replica) doesnt look exactly like the gen 1 head but I think it looks similar

I might be completely wrong on everything idk lmao

[oblique surge]

correct, it seems Gen 1 was the result of a failed attempt from AE to create or modify human beings (with gen 2) being more succesfull but possibly not their end goal

the jaw structure does indeed look like that of other primates which, as you put it, comes from our link to other primates, I believe this is due to whatever AE was did to Gen 1 ended up bring out more "animalistic" features

[plucky shuttle]

this is what I was trying to say I just couldnt find the right words

[modern rover]

I don’t believe AE clones as much as it treats its creations as almost software. Built up from scratch, based on the framework of something else (skeletal structures, palaeontology research) and “updated” over time. This is why the dossier sheets show version number and the galli sheet makes reference to a feathered galli which was less aggressive.

Gen 1 is likely an early version of building a human entirely from scratch

It’s not a clone but an entirely unique creature developed off the framework of a human

[young sphinx]

Will crerato ever get that jump ability that was shown off on stream? At least for Julie’s and early sub stages

[lethal moat]

Could you possibly get strains by completing your elder life cycle and doing something with the replicator? Or would the gen 2 have to do something or possibly both?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, but sadly gateway's upfront release won't have much, and possibly nothing

[young sphinx]

Sad times.. hopefully the camera feed clips make their way into the game

[acoustic osprey]

If not, anything

But doesn't mean we won't get in game lore stuff. Just that it'll eventually come soon

[young sphinx]

I can’t wait to unravel the story and kick baby Dino’s in the ribs

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/house-of-the-dragon-got-otto-hightower-clap-gif-26960243

[plucky shuttle]

it's kinda crazy how fascinated I am by the isle's lore but don't play the game often

i've been trying to start play it more

[acoustic osprey]

same lol

Well, yes I am a content creator, I do not find any interest with playing at the moment

[young sphinx]

I don’t play it often.. yet

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[young sphinx]

Not until ankh is in the game

[plucky shuttle]

I've always liked mysterious not fully explained lore, since it leaves you questioning a lot

like from that lore document you sent I learned so much, yet it still leaves me with eager questions

[glossy quest]

Wait there is a new lore drop, where?

[pulsar moss]

No, I was talking about when Dondi answered a series of questions and showed off some of the Generation 1.

[acoustic osprey]

Vague, pfft

[swift echo]

no idea if we've talked abt this (Tartarus map is what most of us think)^^ but Posideon and Zeus, as described by Hesiod, each made their own ramifications to the Greek Tartarus. like Posidon made a bronze gate, Zeus covered it with clouds, think that's what this could mean by "entry"?

[lethal moat]

My friends and I have this ongoing joke about testing out the various different calibers on a baby Stegos face, for realism.

[ionic sable]

Tartarus? I was under the impression that it was Gateway described on the map, and the entry was to Tartarus.

[lethal moat]

The map shows different facilities on gateway, one of which may be Tartarus.

[ionic sable]

Still holding onto my theory for Tartarus being a giant ass chasm.

[lethal moat]

It would make sense, given mythical Tartarus was a massive pit full of incredibly powerful beings

[ionic sable]

Yeah, and it's always listed as a separate location in relation to Gateway rather than a building or facility.

However there is one glaring issue.

If it's not the hub, then it wouldn't be a Gateway to something so important (from what we know and what we can compare it to.)

[lethal moat]

I think the lower semicircle here is tartarus and the three above it are the gateway R/D departments

Or, this us a map of tartarus and it's various containments and research centers

[ionic sable]

That was my thought process as well.

[strange shell]

It can be a gateway to something important without being a hub
In the Greek Mythos, the gates of Tartarus aren't especially a gathering place...

[ionic sable]

Yeah true, but the wording still sounds odd, because it was mentioned as one of many hubs.

[strange shell]

there's probaby multiple accesses

[ionic sable]

But there is only one island with the title of Gateway, there isn't any delineation on the map from what we've seen.

[lethal moat]

The small island off the coast is actually gateway, and the main island is actually tartarus lol

That would actually have weight if there were docks on the small island.

[strange shell]

The other maps are gonna be called "backdoor", "portal" "entrance" and "accespoint"

[ionic sable]

[pale marsh]

Ok so
What do we know Tartarus ISNT?

[lethal moat]

A happy place

[pale marsh]

Cuz
Knowing nothing about it
I think about the hyper fences (that's what they are right?) On gateway. And my brain goes to Tartarus being the name for hyper containment area/facility etc

[swift echo]

heaven

[plucky shuttle]

hm, is gateway an island? like is it another name for spiro or what?

I'm new to the isle lore so pardon my questions that may be stupid

[ionic sable]

Gateway is a new map entirely, still an island.

[plucky shuttle]

i see

and has this mysterious tartarus place been hinted at being connected with gateway?

[ionic sable]

Yes, quite a few times, in old lore specifically.

[plucky shuttle]

interesting

[tender dock]

1994-99 AE Software

[oblique surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZQd_ha9zlE&ab_channel=TheIsle

time to pull this apart piece by piece

@acoustic osprey lore stuff mayhaps kinda 👁️

[tender dock]

Nothin of major importance yet from what I saw

https://tenor.com/view/you-didnt-say-the-magic-word-ah-ah-nope-wagging-finger-gif-17646607

[lethal moat]

New camera and trail designations

[cursive pine]

omagawd

OVIRAPTOR IS NEAR

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-dancing-grinding-lol-gif-20312555

[shell remnant]

aside from the clear 1990s stuff

[tender dock]

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Dilophosaurus
Herrerasaurus
Diabloceratops
Tyrannosaurus
Triceratops
Oviraptor
Maiasaura
Kentrosaurus

[shell remnant]

and i'd guess based off how the interface looks, plus censored copyright years, that the development of the islands happened in the late 80's and early 90's

[tender dock]

STAGE 1
Dilophosaurus
Herrerasaurus
Diabloceratops
Tyrannosaurus

STAGE 2
Triceratops
Oviraptor
Maiasaura
Kentrosaurus

[modern rover]

I don't think the dinos are in specific stages

[chrome acorn]

They aren’t

[tender dock]

then why give us 2 stages and show the dinos in development

We know the first 4 are coming next update

[tender dock]

meh shows us whats currently planned anyways

[shell remnant]

i'd hope first 5 come together

[tender dock]

prolly not for now

[ionic sable]

[plucky shuttle]

LORE

[icy onyx]

Damn bro lore night bois

[icy onyx]

I read this with Spy voice in my head 💀

[rapid chasm]

1992

[river ocean]

So, AE is corporation?

[lethal moat]

Yes, lots of sub, companies

[river ocean]

Consortium then?

[lethal moat]

More of a conglomerate I suppose

[river ocean]

I see

[slow delta]

Wow more lore sauce... how exciting /s

[pulsar moss]

In stage 1 there is things called sanctuaries what could it be ?

nevermind

its a biome for smaller and juvi asset

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/957954777998843928/1131161968179425340/21f3e8201480a384aa23760d24a78899.png

[acoustic osprey]

Aka. Meta

but, they actually have a theme with their naming schemes (Apollo)

[acoustic osprey]

I love this

heavily reminds me of this
https://youtu.be/HuYUoLM8BNA

But, talking about such, 1994-99

Finally some proper word on dates.

Sure, it's a bit rough.

As we don't know when in Isle's lore everything set; In terms of when we are playing and when "pre-incident" stuff is happening.

But, I'm going to say that this roadmap video was from "pre-incident" aka. Long before we play

Also.
I do hope, really hope, that they keep to this aesthetic

||just delete the original videos we have of Spiro||
Unless, the "trial cams" are actually based upon more "recent"/present time; Aka. When we're playing

Which, would then make sense, for both the graphic resolutions and just design in-general

[plucky shuttle]

I'm so thankful someone thought the same thing I thought I might've been crazy

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[modern rover]

Yea, I saw that, does that mean The Isle actually does take place in the 90s? Because if we have 90s weaponry and tech, I can vibe with that

[acoustic osprey]

Very

[oblique surge]

Definitely looks more recent, like some gen 2 dude got his hands on a camera and was able to broadcast back to AE
That or some scientist dediced to go back/stay in the island to take same photos for fun

[lethal moat]

I think it was abandoned in the 90s, the weaponry is just timeless, 100 year old weaponry is still being used effectively in combat today, if it’s cheaper to use old weapons that work, then AE could cut costs that way

[oblique surge]

https://tenor.com/view/spared-no-expense-jurassic-park-gif-24788506

Jokes aside I don’t think AE would cut corners like that, they may arrogant or whatever but I doubt they’re stupid
If they were to get cheaper weapons I’d imagine they would make up for the security in some other way

[lethal moat]

Cheaper guns still fire the same bullets

[ionic sable]

Or... We can just safely assume that Apollo was in peak operation during 1994-99

Please. For the love of God. Don't overcomplicate it.

[lethal moat]

But what if it is more complicated?

And we still don’t know why it was abandoned. Presumably something went wrong or it was abandoned with the intent of coming back and seeing what happened, like a bacteria culture?

[oblique surge]

^

[oblique surge]

They probably wouldn’t throw away so much technology and infrastructure like that
At least I can’t see a reason why they would

[lethal moat]

Let the replicator do it’s thing and come back for samples after the subjects have matured to a point they can actually be useful, or just to see how the replicator evolved after being left alone

[tender dock]

Yeah but their are 2 stages containing multiple mini updates I was just saying that it’s probably gonna be 4 Dino’s per stage but yes they’re done when they’re done

[lament wing]

So does this confirm that the game takes place in the 1990s?

[little bridge]

I think it just confirms the technology used before the isle shutdown was from the 90's. We don't know how long it's been since then. It could be days, or it could be years later.

[lethal moat]

There are plants over growing control panels, so probably at least a year

[lament wing]

I would assume one to two years since the technology still works but it's overgrown

[frigid estuary]

all the dinos are animatronics that got childrens souls stuck in them after a man killed and stuffed them into giant novelty dinosaur eggs.

[terse python]

yikers

[young sphinx]

So is the game taking place in the present or the past? Judging by the abandonment nature of specific facilities I’m assuming we are in the present but most if not all the equipment on the island is from 99

• the new additions they’ve added as the island gets booted back up

[meager junco]

Think the year people have estimated evrima to be in is around 2170 and 2200(I could be wrong)

[young sphinx]

So AE is old old

[meager junco]

Yeh from what I’ve read from here to there, AE was created around 1990-something (again could be wrong, I don’t devote my life to reading every single detail lol)

[acoustic osprey]

2172

[acoustic osprey]

Hopefully
But we need actual in-game confirmation to be CERTAIN
Or proper, not marked out, paper

[acoustic osprey]

Definately not days, as we've seen proper weathering
But definitely in the 5-20 years

Maybe, maybe, more

[acoustic osprey]

NO
WE'RE playing in 2172!!

[lethal moat]

We got that from censored data tho, we couldn’t see the numbers

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, and the data, behind the artefacts, showed 2172 multiple times

[lethal moat]

We don’t know that for sure though, because you could only see the tops of the letters

[acoustic osprey]

Well no

You could see multiple aspects of all letters

I'm not saying that 2172 date was confirmed
Just that it heavily baffled everyone

Not only did it show 3 times
But the dates, specific dates, also changed in a sequential order

Each date showing a "day" in difference

[lethal moat]

If you say so, personally don’t think that we could accurately get the year from what I see

But I’ve been proven wrong in the past

[acoustic osprey]

I'm not saying to believe in it. It's one of the most irritating and painful things, that date

Just that, behind it, it definately alluded to such

Not saying that it is
I hope it's not
Just with the new dates, better to ignore it

Unless we see it again (2172)

[oblique surge]

Kinda looks like it could be 2072 to me

Which I guess makes more sense if the islands were last operated in the 90s

[acoustic osprey]

Always looked more like 1

Alongside comparison with the font, x typewriter

[ionic sable]

Please God no

[oblique surge]

I suppose we would be seeing bits of the number if it was a zero

Still, why would AE have nearly 200 years of difference in its documents

Well I’m not sure if we have any documents dating to the 90s but you get what I mean

[acoustic osprey]

Yes!!!!

[ionic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/mort-crying-scared-gif-21887116

[acoustic osprey]

It made sense, to an extent, prior to getting a better date on time (90s) by the roadmap

[ionic sable]

2172 is a placeholder year because he knew it would be blocked out.

I will hold firm to this belief and any other opinion I am presented with will simply be wrong.

[oblique surge]

Honestly I can only see 2072 working
2172 just seems so strange

[oblique surge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

It, which irritated the most, was just the changing of dates. Specific days of the month, and not the year changing

12/8
12/7
12/9

Unless, for Don, he did not have a specific date in mind and ONLY the year was a placeholder

[ionic sable]

Yeah.

Even if we consider the documentation and dates compared to the roadmap and the actual level of technology it doesn't make any sense at all that they would still be using 90s tech so far in the future.

Even lower scale corporations will still actively update and upgrade their hardware.

Why tf would Apollo not?

[acoustic osprey]

Which, sounds unprepared to an extent
Or that it was made to confuse and conquer

[ionic sable]

Perhaps, another Don trolling moment.

But I kinda doubt it.

It really could have just been a placeholder.

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, my argument to back it
EXCLUDING this new information from the roadmap

That Isle, being heavily alternative in it's lore- being sci-fi
That AE's universe's calendar system is ahead. So their equivalent 2170s is our 1990s

Fit with the Earth (?) Tweet

[oblique surge]

If 2172 is correct then would it be possible AE actively pursued 90s tech because more recent technology messed with the replicator/neuros/echidna in some way AE wanted to avoid?

[ionic sable]

Or, we play on an abandoned island that fell apart in the 90s, and got relegated to only field experimentation. And Apollo as a corporation is still active and operating in 2172...

That fits. But it's kinda dumb imo

[ionic sable]

That would just kinda be arbitrary.

[acoustic osprey]

I hope so.
Just, why the effort to, at least, organise the dates

It's just a weird coincidence that I hope never returns
Or that it can Only appear with proper backing inlore

[acoustic osprey]

Bold and proud since 1994!

[oblique surge]

Not a big fan either but I guess it works

[acoustic osprey]

Playing the too heavy back into nostalgia

[ionic sable]

The logic could exist.

But like.

Why?

It would be the most pointless change.

[ionic sable]

Yeah, unless it becomes re-occurring, I'm disregarding it entirely.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-dumbledore-pensieve-magic-gif-17242310

[lethal moat]

Hear me out, what are your opinions on alien technology for replicator and such?

[acoustic osprey]

Preferably not
But don't mind too much

In terms of Replicator being proper alien tech

[patent ginkgo]

Wait is there anything known about a link between the Replicator and Apollo’s agricultural origins, cause it could have been an attempt to make an adaptive machine that can spit out new crop varieties in response to new/different pests/diseases/climate issues

[lethal moat]

We know replicator makes things and you can sacrifice stuff to it, that’s about all.

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[acoustic osprey]

Nothing much
If she replicates things, you can practically use it in any sense. So who knows yet

[lethal moat]

It may or may not be sentient, but tribals are supposed to protect it from what I understand

[acoustic osprey]

At least sentient for an AI
But yeah, how sentient is the question

But if Tribals are sacrificing things to it and the Replicator is rewarding them for such, it might be quite sentient

Unless the Tribals are just, maybe without realising, that they might be activating The Replicator every time she is given a sacrifice

[lethal moat]

I want to know if it can communicate, and if so, how?

[acoustic osprey]

Mmm

[lethal moat]

Just a single computer monitor or a PA system? Does it have access to electronics beyond it’s “brain”?

So many questions that we must wait to have answered.

[acoustic osprey]

Being an AI, it may or may not have a body

But we've seen from old tribal art, and from the 2020 Xmas stream, that art of the Replicator basically always include a CCTV camera

[lethal moat]

It has access to the cameras, or at least the tribals believe it does.

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

Seems so

[lethal moat]

So there must either be a way for it to communicate for them to know, or the intuit it from punishment or rewards from in front of cameras?

[barren yacht]

Anyone here know the lore as to why the humans are on the isle? The playable ones anyway?

[acoustic osprey]

Created by AE, the company that made the dinosaurs

[ionic sable]

Artificial humans, supposedly generated (replicated) and distributed supposedly the same way the other playables are.

At least that is assuming the same principle as old lore, but that could have changed.

[glossy quest]

I just want to be birthed from a tube like in the matrix when spawning as human

[glad jolt]

I might try and post a solid theory in here soon. Not sure how accurate it will be, but it’s just kinda my interpretation of the story up until now

[young sphinx]

I hope to see in-game billboards or signs that add to the lore

[lethal moat]

Not really needs for advertisements, I'm betting it's mostly accessed through computer

[acoustic osprey]

Just, if you haven't, look at the newer posts in my lore doc

Better understanding on Apollo's beginning

[glad jolt]

Will do!

[lethal moat]

I saw 2000 and got excited thinking it was a year but I don't think so. 😢

[acoustic osprey]

it also says 4k lol

I believe, from a conversation with Don, that most/if not all in-game modelled text are placeholders/not finished

[lethal moat]

Ah

But you got to get that good resolution tho

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[young sphinx]

i mean.. if they had 4k in the year 2000 lord knows they most definitely have that replicator tech

[hexed flax]

My 4k capable monitor looks exactly like this

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah!!

[plucky shuttle]

only state of the art 4k high-definition technology here

[acoustic osprey]

^^

[glossy quest]

Oh man im having childhood flashbacks

[opal storm]

hamburger

[ionic sable]

See? Having Apollo Files in 4k is lore accurate.

[lethal moat]

Way too high tec, probably actually 16k ultra HD 4d special monitor

[low scarab]

What was the idea behind AE creating the perfect organism and what caused all the creatures to mutate so quickly

also find anything in the new roadmap?

[lethal moat]

We are getting stuff faster in smaller amounts, I believe gateway is still planned for this year, and the perfect organism may or may not be the matriarch which may or may not still be canon.

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!!

[maiden sundial]

Wasn't it the perfect human they wanted? Not perfect organism?

[lethal moat]

-gestures wildly

[acoustic osprey]

Well, we know they're playing God

[lethal moat]

We have little idea of the end goal, just a little about the byproducts of trying to get there

[maiden sundial]

I'm kinda leaning perfect human due to the several tests of humanoids. Example being gen 1. The eyeless. Matriarch and gen 2.

[acoustic osprey]

Matriarch isn't a human

[lethal moat]

Well it’s a medical company, so human trials are inevitable

[acoustic osprey]

Unless, in Evrima lore, she is more refined to such

[lethal moat]

Matriarch species: Scary

[acoustic osprey]

Well, technically argicultural/food company

[lethal moat]

That dabbles in medicine

[acoustic osprey]

Unless, specifically Apollo Engineering (Not "Apollo"), does medicinal stuff

[maiden sundial]

That could be the case

[lethal moat]

But you are right, we learned this in the recent lore drip from Dondi right? There’s also mercury and a couple others, wonder what they specialize in?

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[maiden sundial]

Apollo seems like it has a very big monopoly on things if they're able to keep a hyperendocrine on the hush hush

[maiden sundial]

Mercury probably is a message or package system if we are going by Roman and Greek mythology

Since mercury is Hermes

[lethal moat]

Good point

[short falcon]

keep in mind apollo is the greek god of healing amongst other things which may have something to do with the name of the company

[lethal moat]

It’s mercury beneficial, Apollo pharmaceuticals north, and Apollo red

[acoustic osprey]

Mercury Beneficial, being named after Mercury/Hermes could be about

translators and interpreters

So, maybe, they're the company that might, maybe, works on Olympus Transmitter and anything based in that area

Being that it's Mercury "Beneficial"

resulting in good; favourable or advantageous

It could also relate in being the money-aspect for Apollo? Being that Hermes, himself, looked after wealth and fortune

[maiden sundial]

Have we ever heard of a demeter branch of apollo?

[acoustic osprey]

No. As Don didn't want to do such

[maiden sundial]

Oh.

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[short falcon]

I've never heard any reference to Hephaestus, but if he does get referenced it would have something to do tech since Hephaestus is the blacksmith/metalwork/carpenter god

[wicked brook]

Is this the matriarch in second stage?

[lethal moat]

Nope

That's unofficial art

[wicked brook]

Darn it’s done by Tapwing

[lethal moat]

We know matriarch exists, but have no official art, but we know it evolves INCREDIBLY FAST through stealing genes or something

Tapwing does a lot of unofficial art

If it's on deviantart, even by tapwing, chances are it is probably unofficial

[wicked brook]

Yeah that’s where I eventually found it

[lethal moat]

It looks really nice, and it's a good representation of what we know, but it isn't consfirmed and therefor unfortunately not canon

[mighty chasm]

wait does Isle legacy lore apply to evrima? is it the same?

[lethal moat]

No, it's safe to assume everything from legacy is scrapped, this is all we have:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing

[mighty chasm]

awww legacy had good lore

[acoustic osprey]

a bit

[lethal moat]

Indeed, it will be missed

[modern rover]

It had magnas therefor I don't like it

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Type-O superiority

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

Golly jee gosh darn it

[plucky shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-laugh-spy-tf2-gif-7843426

(i didnt know that was outdated either but whatever)

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[plucky shuttle]

so are things like echidna and colossus assumed to be gen 1 humans affected by strains?

[acoustic osprey]

not assumed, but guessed

No confirmation as of yet.

[modern rover]

Assumed, not confirmed

[plucky shuttle]

yeah that's what I meant, thanks

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

[plucky shuttle]

I think the designs for them aren't canon anymore but they looked cool nonetheless

when/if they get redesigns I'm excited to see the outcome

[slow delta]

The living roadmap video is just loresauce that talks about the update but ill add it to the lore doc in a few weeks when im free

Ill also dig through it and the game files again

[lethal moat]

You guys think the JC346_Admin user login could have relevance should we gain access to a computer terminal at some point?

[icy onyx]

is there lore in evrima?

[lethal moat]

Some

[lethal moat]

Here you go good man: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing

[oblique surge]

if its canon and not just flavor text for the roadmap it could be the name and date of birth of someone
J. C. March 1946

someone important considering they have "Admin" on their username

[acoustic osprey]

John Cake

Although, the date speculation for his age, not bad

[oblique surge]

It would be hilarious to have a researcher internally being named John Cake but only being referred to JC in documents lol

As for the age I figured the numbers would be either something specific to AE’s work or a birth date as people usually put their own birth dates in logins and password
1946 would mean this guy is probably in their 40s/50s at the time of AE going caca, sounded old enough to be a senior researcher overlooking one or more projects, hence why they’re an admin

But then again, could just be flavor text lol

[lethal moat]

I choose to believe it is lore relevant

[oblique surge]

🙏

[acoustic osprey]

We need more name easter eggs!!

We need a Stan!!

[oblique surge]

for sure! they're always fun

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, which would make sense- looking at the new roadmap
in terms of age

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/negan-negan-smith-negan-smith-the-walking-dead-negan-the-walking-dead-the-walking-dead-gif-26236954

[lucid trench]

what does half of the pictures mean

[plucky shuttle]

for pictures/videos with words it's typed out what it says more clearly in the document, we don't know what everything means which is kind of the point of mysterious and elusive lore

[lucid trench]

yeah im looking at it rn

[acoustic osprey]

which pictures?

[lucid trench]

im looking at the gen 1s currently, and there isnt much info,

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

It’s easier to look at what gen 1 is expected to get than at gen 1 themselves

[lucid trench]

ok

i know nothing except names of some of the "operations"

is most of the lore open to interpretation?

[vestal agate]

In Greek mythology tartarus isn't just a place, but an actual God that was born out of chaos along with Gaia, erebus, nyx, and (only in some versions) eros. (Roman names: Tartarus, Terra, Erebos, Nox, and Cupid) I just thought it might be good to know

[lucid trench]

what are you saying?

[vestal agate]

I'm simply giving information that might be helpful

[lucid trench]

ok

[acoustic osprey]

It was accounted as a personified primal god, and also the actual underground Hell that inclosed many, especially Titans.

[vestal agate]

Titans you say? The containment of things like the matriarch and hyperendocrines maybe

[acoustic osprey]

Could be, yes

Although, I suspect Tartarus less an actual "prison" and more of a facility

which, by metaphor, would contain them
symbolising a prison

[lucid trench]

what are titans, how do people know so much

[acoustic osprey]

They're Hellenistic characters

They're "Gods"
but, more or less, the first Gods prior to the Gods

[harsh oasis]

There are no gods

only machines

[lucid trench]

BIG WORDS BIG WORDS BIG WORDS BIG WORDS BIG WORDS BIG WORDS BIG WORDS

[harsh oasis]

The central intelligence will continue to mix genes and shoot out the perfect creature, forcing the departed into flesh again

[acoustic osprey]

The "Gods" being Olympians

[acoustic osprey]

big words, yes, but you don't have to worry.
That's Ancient Greek Mythos, not Isle Lore

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/nifty-nuggets-gif-25667316

[harsh oasis]

the cannibals are humans that kept sacrificing to the machine

(real)

[lucid trench]

ok so now im confused, im looking at the google doc and leaving with more questions than answers

[lucid trench]

the machine?

[harsh oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/spiteful-machine-virtualdream-ai-art-nft-gif-25767281

[lucid trench]

how does anyone make sense of this

how do you work greek gods into dinosaur lore

[harsh oasis]

you don't, only dondi and co knows and his crumbs are scattered

[acoustic osprey]

Well, Tribals were

the machine being The Replicator

[acoustic osprey]

AE Lore.
Not Dino lore

[harsh oasis]

THE REPLICATOR

[acoustic osprey]

AE have a godcomplex

[lucid trench]

what does this mean

its very interesting but my tiny penut brtain draws blanks

[acoustic osprey]

they love everything Gods

they try to revolve themselves around being Gods

[lucid trench]

uh uh uh

more blanks

look at the hole lore doc, came up with nothing😭

[vestal agate]

Oh damn, I though that would be higher quality

[lucid trench]

novaraptor, all father, throne breaker etc , what are they?

[acoustic osprey]

old lore

[lucid trench]

relevant?

[acoustic osprey]

no

but novaraptor is "new raptor" from Primal Carnage, the game

All Father and Throne Breaker were old Legacy lore project creature names
Throne Breaker is Primal Carnage Spino

[lucid trench]

so none of it is cannon?

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lucid trench]

hypo is cannon still?

[acoustic osprey]

Hypers, yes

[lucid trench]

is there a place all the stuff on the docs is explained to some extent, cause i can only make so much sense out of short broken radio signals

[acoustic osprey]

Realistically only the two docs can explain anything, unless you ask in here

which, I'm perfectly fine (along with anyone who) to explain

[lucid trench]

whats the replicator?

[lethal moat]

Spooky machine

[lucid trench]

what does said spooky machine do

[lethal moat]

Make dinos and such

[lucid trench]

but if thats all it does why is it spooky

[knotty loom]

hello my friends, how do i find the password for the server semi-realism islander?

[lethal moat]

Because it demands sacrafices and can see through cameras

[lucid trench]

so is it people running it?

[lethal moat]

AI

[lucid trench]

what must be sacraficed?

[lethal moat]

YES

Tribals worship it we think

[ionic sable]

Wrong chat.

[lucid trench]

ok but what needs to be sacrificed?

[ionic sable]

Anything and everything the replicator desires

[lethal moat]

Pretty much any playable we think

[lucid trench]

next topic, whats the matriarch?

[lethal moat]

Organism that evolers insanely fast by taking genes from others -we think

[lucid trench]

so it wasent created?

[lethal moat]

We have no idea

[lucid trench]

what is gen 1 and 2

[lethal moat]

gen 1 is tribals, gen 2 is more modern

[lucid trench]

so whats cannibals

[lethal moat]

A tribal after it does some goblety gook

[lucid trench]

so a tribal after it eats something?

[lethal moat]

No, it does some sort of ritual

[lucid trench]

whats the pro to being a cannibal?

[lethal moat]

We do not know

[lucid trench]

what happened to alfie the questz

[lethal moat]

Got removed with Pheonix Corp

[lucid trench]

so just got taken out of lore

[lethal moat]

Probably

[lucid trench]

tartarus what is it, ive seen people call it a housing facility

[lethal moat]

We do not know

[lucid trench]

huh

[vestal agate]

what is operation inferno?

[lethal moat]

No longer canon, Apollo engineering stole stuff from it's rival\

[acoustic osprey]

Because we have no idea on what she properly is besides an AI that Tribals sacrifice things to

[lucid trench]

she?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[lucid trench]

ai's have genders?

[modern rover]

apparently she does

alexa and siri are referred to as she this isn't a new concept

[lucid trench]

i mean yeah

[plucky shuttle]

im gonna sacrifice dondi to the replicator!!!!! (no more lore!!!!!)

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/nickfury-infinity-war-samuel-l-jackson-gif-13656296

[slate pewter]

What do ye think?

[strange shell]

I think you're in the wrong channel

[modern rover]

cool animation though

[brazen idol]

[slate pewter]

I'm too tired of talking about lore

Carno's lore won't be too interesting

Made by AE with the replicator through multiple failed experiments until one kind of Carno was made who can breed and live normally not a monster but an animal.

And then Carno escaped containment

And now they live freely on the Abandoned facility island.

Hunted by Each other Other Specimens and Tribals

Some Carnos might born in the wild after a few years

[strange shell]

The truth about carno lore is that it wasn't genetically engineered to have a pug face
It was naturally like that

[slate pewter]

What I don't understand that why dinosaurs like Carno escaped into the wild?

I want to see dinosaur enclosers that AE made

surely those were better than out in the open island

you are in shelter you get food regularly, sure humans occasionally come and take your hatchlings away to do weird experiments on them but its not that bad of a life for a dino.

[strange shell]

That was until humans were no longer there

Carnos were probably not the first dinos to start causing chaos
But once things like hypers and neuros broke out and the humans became human't there wasn't much else to do than to go out and live the wild dinosaur life

[slate pewter]

So when the humans have gone the Carno was left with no choice but to escape

[strange shell]

Just like many other animals, yeah

But it's not certain if the dinos were ever enclosed in the first place...
There aren't many fences on either island

[slate pewter]

Gateway to my mind the is the first real map that's not built in mind of the dinosaurs but rather in the mind of lore to be THE MAP
With human facilities and background story telling in focus

We didn't have such map since V3

and V3 was only touching the tip of the berg when it comes to monuments and facilities

In Gateway the primary containment facilities the Domes are in focus

and of course other facilities like AE town for the employee's Docks and Seaports Maybe an airport/aerodrome, the GUT system, Powerplants, A water facility, Research facilities Stowage facilities

[lucid trench]

gateway might explain a lot of lore

[lethal moat]

Gateway is being built to be “the map”, it shouldn’t need to be replaced and should be all good, the only thing I can think of it possible that Tartarus is a separate island

[lucid trench]

some people think tartarus is under gateway

[slate pewter]

Gateway is the AE facility Island and actually its an archipelago

[lethal moat]

What I meant to say was, the only map I can see them making separate would be the entire Tartarus containment facility, if it isn’t on the gateway map

With what we currently know

[low scarab]

can someone give me some more explanation on what the replicator is

[low scarab]

I hope its canon still that thing is stuff of nightmares

[lethal moat]

Oh yeah, you see an apex and don’t like it, become it’s counter

[acoustic osprey]

Matriarch? Confirmed again in lore again, but playable? Who knows

[low scarab]

When was it confirmed again?

[acoustic osprey]

A week ago

[lucid trench]

Matriarch cool

[little bridge]

what exactly is guts? guts from berk?

[lethal moat]

General underground transportation system

[young sphinx]

Exactly I’m excited because it also provides much needed scale to the Dino’s as well

[young sphinx]

Edit to say “I want that juicy LORE!”

[acoustic osprey]

LOL

[red sinew]

You have no idea how hard it is to not push the boundry on the 'nothing suggestive' rule right now.

[young sphinx]

Love this

Adding it to my arsenal

[plucky shuttle]

amazing

[young sphinx]

Doing gods work 🙏🏼

[plucky shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-conga-gif-26402123

[low scarab]

How exactly was it confirmed?

[slate pewter]

Scale of infrastructure?

[low scarab]

Glorious

[plucky shuttle]

Ty ty

[low scarab]

Also what was AE doing making the dinosaurs Ik pheonix corp although not cannon anymore was a medical corporation

[lethal moat]

They started off with botany, and we don’t know how it got where it did

[lyric marsh]

this might be a little far fetched but there are so many species of dinosaur on the island, and a large population of native wildlife it seems like the dinosaurs were internationally released to create a sustainable ecosystem and maybe this was done so they could naturally develop immunities to modern day illnesses, then after that they could harvest the blood and use it for their medical needs

[low scarab]

Lol your kidding botany? This horrifying monster of a corporation started as botany

And when did they confirm matriarch in evrima lore

[oblique surge]

hey man you gotta start somewhere

[oblique surge]

not sure they did, gotta check with the lore masters

[low scarab]

[low scarab]

Gotcha

[oblique surge]

@acoustic osprey whats the status on the matriarch again? old lore or just never even confirmed?

[swift echo]

never confirmed, created as fanart by Tapwing

[low scarab]

Can you attach it

[swift echo]

All of its stages.

In chronological order.

[swift echo]

^^

[swift echo]

and some extra artwork too.

[low scarab]

I saw those

Those look sick her artwork is insane

[swift echo]

yeah, Tap's a very talented artist

[low scarab]

But are those recent Isaac said it was confirmed abt a week ago

[swift echo]

The latest one was published Aug 2021

oh yeah I forgot- Don did confirm it mb

[swift echo]

#isle-lore-theories message

[low scarab]

Ahhh thank you

[swift echo]

np!! that should be the link intersecting Don's most recent lore drop too, so if you'd like to be updated, you could look through that raw or look at Issac's doc if you havent already

[low scarab]

Sick I remember maybe a year ago someone had a document decoding some files loading screens Morse code etc I loved reading through that so I will definitely get try to get myself caught up to speed

[swift echo]

yeah, I think HellShade also has a doc but its old lore

[low scarab]

Nice so does don just appear here like he does every now and again in discussion and if you don’t mind when you get a sec link one of those lore docs

[swift echo]

pretty much yeah lol he's a rare apparition.

[swift echo]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing

recent one^

[low scarab]

Lol gotcha

[low scarab]

Sick thanks

[swift echo]

no prob again

[acoustic osprey]

No, it's been confirmed

Te confirmed

[plucky shuttle]

Nice

So was it mentioned in legacy lore? Did anything revolve around it?

[acoustic osprey]

Barely

[modern rover]

I wonder if the Matriach will be ever a part of the game in any fashion, or simply a creature refrenced

[acoustic osprey]

it's a cool concept, I imagine very hard and very late-end in terms of development

[modern rover]

yea, because it adapts and evolves, and there's only one of it

it's not like we'll have a "pack of matriachs"

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[modern rover]

it's a fundamentally fascinating idea for a creature, where its lifecycle almost is it eating, changing and adapting

it's like how I want to see the eyeless as playables because I feel the concept of a sound-based echolocating predator adds new dynamic playstyles to the ecosystem

the matriarch and neurotic mastermind are very much strange as their role as either lore creatures or actually part of the game, since both are basically key players in the lore, not just an infinitely replicated creature

they're actual characters at this point

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

I'm sadly expecting both, or at least Echidna, to be not playable officially

excluding mods

[modern rover]

Echidna feels almost definite we won't see her beyond perhaps glimpses in easter eggs, like almost a Bigfoot sighting lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[modern rover]

Or in lore videos/images

[acoustic osprey]

I can imagine a few sound effects too
Likely an SOS message using "real human" ||Echidna|| voice

[modern rover]

But given her role, she's more than likely completely off the table. The matriarch is more animalistic and fits better into the gameloop, but the concept of her dying is very strange, unless there can be more than one

[acoustic osprey]

I can imagine the devs creating them for Dev only characters; If Don and the team find it worth while in the long future

but never beyond

[modern rover]

i would like to interact with or even play as a matriach, since the horror element of that goddamn thing growing to its final state is awesome to me

I like the fact the Matriarch is now free from the shackles of Phoenix at least

[acoustic osprey]

it was never?

[modern rover]

Wasn't it mildly hinted at AGES ago

I'm actually interested in why the hell it actually exists

Did AE want to make it, or is it another unwanted biproduct of experimentation

[low scarab]

So do we even know what the thousand life contract is?

Don (seemingly) confirmed it wasnt related to the replicator

[hexed flax]

Maybe people made a contract with AE which will be fulfilled after they have been in 1000 Dinosaurs

[low scarab]

I’m thinking more like if you do this for us provide us with enough biomass we will grant you eternal life as something powerful

Sort of like you die and are sacrificed hundreds of times to the replicator then made into something extremely desirable

I have a feeling that maybe the genetic mutations the replicator gives are almost addictive so they murder everything in a desperate attempt to modify themselves further

[lethal moat]

Dondi said “once you’re in, you’re in. So I’m thinking an NDA that expires after a millennium.

[low scarab]

#isle-lore-theories message
From don

Don also said this like why would people just be a ok with 90% of the stuff going on on that island

[lethal moat]

90% of the company, the island may be in that 10%

[low scarab]

Smart

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[low scarab]

Damn no way I just read that whole chat history lol

I’m invested now

[lethal moat]

Welcome to the lore cult

[ionic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[ionic sable]

Not if the intention was to create an open environment to recreate an ecosystem.

Note the lack of fences aside from regional barriers on Gateway.

[lethal moat]

I’ve seen lots of fences, but the gates are left open in what looks to be a purposeful fashion

[ionic sable]

There were more fences when compared to other maps and facilities, but generally, there are only really enough to section off 4-5 parts of the island, nowhere near enough considering the population of the island itself.

If anything those fences are in place to keep human employees inside and safe from whatever ecosystem they are constructing outside of those fences.

[lethal moat]

I agree, but the one thing that I noticed is that most of what I’ve seen those are hyper fences, possibly meant to separate apexes from each other

Before the gates were opened that is, but I would agree most are meant to keep people safe, except the hyper fences which small animals could just slip through

[ionic sable]

Yep, you wouldn't want a genetic monster running around killing an entire islands worth of inhabitants.

[lethal moat]

Got to make sure the big one isn’t too good at what we designed it to do

[low scarab]

Except oh wait its too late hypers

What made the dinosaurs necessary?

And why did people need food so badly unless they had like the isle fast food

Ceratosaurus nuggets with a side of fries

[oblique surge]

the current idea afaik is that technically these creatures dont count as real animals, at least not legally
this would allow AE to experiment with them freely as they'd be considered no different than a machine or any object

even AE itself calls them biological assests

[muted hill]

it was confirmed atleast that the dinosaurs weren't made to be food

[oblique surge]

oh yeah definetly not made for food

[low scarab]

Yes I saw that

[oblique surge]

its been thrown around the idea that a human would NOT want to eat them

[low scarab]

And the replicator needs a “sacrifice”

And the replicator creates genetic mutations correct

[muted hill]

be interesting if there really is a reason "why dinosaurs?" or if that just doesn't get answered and leaves us wondering

[oblique surge]

there has to be

[low scarab]

Dondi said he just wanted dinosaurs in the game but developed a deep reason as to why

[oblique surge]

why would AE go trough the problem of recreating dead animals when they could use living ones

[low scarab]

For lore purposes

[muted hill]

oh right so it is confirmed there is an in universe reason

[oblique surge]

I imagine so

would be dumb if there wasn't

[low scarab]

True

Why did they need to keep them alive

[lethal moat]

If you own the rights to the creature’s creation, ethics no longer become a concern

[low scarab]

I’m sure their goal isn’t to make a successful ecosystem for kicks and grins

[lethal moat]

I hope that gen 2 can actually capture players and experiment on them because that would be cool as all get out

[oblique surge]

lab rats are best used alive

[low scarab]

I am interested in the idea that 90% of what goes on is public

[low scarab]

But why all of them

Even the ones they clearly couldn’t contain

And dondi himself said it was an annoying byproduct of their research

[oblique surge]

more variety allows for better results

[lethal moat]

90% of the corporation, not necessarily the island, it’s like the government, they show you enough that you’re satisfied, but you don’t know that the moon is really a spy satellite. (Example, not necessarily true)

[oblique surge]

also they might have formed a little ecosystem in certain parts of the islands

[low scarab]

Its cheese bro your stupid

[low scarab]

That would explain why certain places on gateway are sectioned off

[lethal moat]

But yeah, companies are allowed to have secrets, and given that AE is a multinational organization, they become similar to their own sort of government on land that they own.

[low scarab]

Dondi replied to someone talking abt an NDA for AE and replied “expatriation”

[lethal moat]

They’ll unalive you if they find out you snitched, basically the government

[low scarab]

Lol

[oblique surge]

probably not
dondi doesnt want AE being the generic evil corporation

[lethal moat]

Alright, they’ll “imprison for life after hunting you down” if you snitch, expatriation means to remove someone from their place of origin

One does not simply betray AE without getting the reward of free lifetime pass to imprisonment

[low scarab]

Dondi also brought up the idea they would brand (I think the replicator) as living forever or come be a god with us

Bc I’m sure ae could do worse things to them then just imprisonment or death

[lethal moat]

Well it’s a machine, so that makes sense, From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal…

Getting Warhammer vibes

[lethal moat]

But that could make them generic evil company

[low scarab]

W reference

[lethal moat]

I wonder if the replicator thinks it’s better than people, or if it cares about what it creates

[low scarab]

Generic evil company would be killing people thousands of times sacrificing them to a machine turning them into freaky monster and running tests on them because they are no longer considered human

That should be enough to keep people from spilling the details

And I’m sure AE isn’t going to spill the deepest lore even to their own employees

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[oblique surge]

I hope it doesnt
the best machine villains are the ones who dont care about emotions, just doing their job in the best way they see fit

[low scarab]

The replicator thinks?

[lethal moat]

It is at least partially sentient

[low scarab]

Is it like some the isle glados robot

[lethal moat]

We think

[lethal moat]

Alright, but what if the replicator isn’t a villain

[low scarab]

I want to see the replicator

[lethal moat]

What if it just wants to care for it’s creations

[low scarab]

Or talk to it. I thought it was just a machine used to edit biomass into genetic traits

[lethal moat]

All we have is gen 1 markings around cameras sadly

[lethal moat]

No, it’s ai that does stuff

[low scarab]

Those cave paintings

[lethal moat]

We think

We have two pictures of blood painted around cctv cameras

[low scarab]

So how does the replicator know how to make genetic mutations

And how does it birth stuff anyway

[lethal moat]

We do not know

[oblique surge]

depends on your point of view
technically AUTO from wall-e wasn't a villain, he was just tasked with keeping humans in space because earth was thought to be unrecoverable

[low scarab]

And why do people want to be mutated by the replicator

[lethal moat]

But we know that the tribals know it watches them through cameras

[low scarab]

Freakyyyyy

[oblique surge]

its possible the replicator is connected to every facility in every island
we don't really know a lot about it

[lethal moat]

A mother alligator will kill people for getting close to it’s babies, we see a monster, but that’s not the whole story

[oblique surge]

yeah kinda like that
its possible the replicator is just doing its thing, just not the way AE would like

[low scarab]

I just hope this lore won’t be hidden I want this to be a horror game don’t get me wrong humans and dinosaurs surviving has it’s place I just want nightmares

[lethal moat]

I assume we will get lore as a combination of I for from dondi and actually finding things in game

[low scarab]

So the replicator might be able to resist AE

[oblique surge]

hoping gateway buildings have fun things to look at

[low scarab]

Or go against what they want it to do

[lethal moat]

People in this chat are going to be scouring human buildings in gateway to find the slightest smidgeon of lore lol

[oblique surge]

wym resist?

[oblique surge]

just as god intended

[lethal moat]

It’s plan may not be the exact same as AE

[low scarab]

I really hope it’s finding hidden areas in game I would love that sort of like the ratman hideouts in portal / portal 2

[low scarab]

Go against its ideas and morals

[lethal moat]

Turn into Beipi to search the deer for dropped items

[low scarab]

How did you know

[lethal moat]

*sewer

[oblique surge]

maybe, we dont really know how it acts or if even has any personality

[low scarab]

How does the matriarch know abt it?

I’m guessing btw Tapwing had artwork of it staring into a camera

[oblique surge]

isnt that fanart

mind you tapwing made fanart for the game before being part of the team

not all of her work is canon

[low scarab]

Gotcha

I’ll check

It’s titled “located - teaser”

[slate pewter]

Tapwing, She is our official concept artist

[low scarab]

It doesn’t seem cannon

[low scarab]

She is now she used to just draw for the isle out of inspiration

[slate pewter]

I think her art can be reused as official concept arts

Ask Jace or Visualtech

What do you think they use as inspiration other than Tapwing's arts

I consider all Tapwing art Canon

[low scarab]

It still doesn’t mean it is

They could say hey this old artwork is cannon now but if they don’t say anything it doesn’t change the fact it’s just fan art

[slate pewter]

It's just what I consider canon

[low scarab]

That’s fine just know the difference between official cannon and what you have theories abt

[slate pewter]

Cannon?

https://tenor.com/view/cannon-artillery-army-military-war-gif-20094241

Hahaha

[low scarab]

Lol

[slate pewter]

I'm just mockin about lad, relax

[oblique surge]

Has the matriach design of one of her other fanarts

Probably not canon
Probably

[low scarab]

Ah your right

Bc we haven’t rlly seen the matriarch officially

[oblique surge]

Yeah

[low scarab]

Other than the first 3 stages though right

[oblique surge]

Although they might reuse that design
Drone quetz used to be fanart and now look at it

[low scarab]

#isle-lore-theories message

[low scarab]

True

[slate pewter]

The Matriarch is a female

[low scarab]

?

[oblique surge]

Yes the name states that
What does that has to do with anything I said

[low scarab]

^

[lethal moat]

That matriarch idea, if it was canon, might be looking at operators of the camera, rather than at the replicator, although we don’t know when AE started using the replicator, so we can’t be sure

My question is thus: What happens to the matriarch if it acquires genetic material from something with a strain?

[ionic sable]

What in gods name is a hypo?

[lethal moat]

Hyper misspell, I’ve done it many a time

Ironically enough, hypo prefix in Latin is more or less the opposite of hyper

[ionic sable]

A simple goof.

[lethal moat]

An oopsy if you will

[ionic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/blunder-princess-bride-you-fool-gullible-gotcha-gif-14120688

[plucky shuttle]

Istg I know what movie this is from but I haven’t seen it in ages, I forget the name

[ionic sable]

The princess bride iirc

[plucky shuttle]

that’s it

My father loves that movie it’s one of his favorites

Also I just now realized it’s spelled hyper and not hypo lmao

[lethal moat]

I called it hypo for the longest time, because hypoendocrine would also be an anomaly in the endocrine system, just the other way

[slate pewter]

Not much

I accidentally reacted on your comment

[low scarab]

I’m still used to saying hypo lol

[low scarab]

A Whoopsie

Imagine what a hypo would look like in the isle

Some lil dwarf dinosaur

[low scarab]

Real

[pale marsh]

Magy is a hypo pue

The real deep lore

[low scarab]

Bros a genius protect this man

[ruby juniper]

This is mine now

[low scarab]

So why do people/creatures desire genetic mutations anyway

(From the replicator)

[steel summit]

for the funny /s

[low scarab]

Lol “I’m going to sacrifice people to a robot and genetically mutate myself!”

[steel summit]

but really probably a form of sped up evolution i would think, though im not versed in the lore as much as others

[low scarab]

Also do we even know what the points on the world map mean for the server list

[lethal moat]

Presumably they are locations for valuable assets/labs

[low scarab]

And what kind of world would need botany and food corporations to be messing with genes and making dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

No idea

[kindred bobcat]

shut, its hpyo and allways will be

[acoustic osprey]

That's the thing

[lethal moat]

But hypo means the opposite of what it actually does tho

[acoustic osprey]

We only know that Apollo, likely AE, diverged into more Dino/human bio-engineering

Whilst Apollo still stays in doing pharmaceutical and agricultural work

Especially to fund AE

[ionic sable]

Factually incorrect.

It never has been, and never will be.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-fritening-tunnel-song-gif-6118844

[kindred bobcat]

you are incorrect

[acoustic osprey]

Well, that's old UI from legacy
It might get changed

[ionic sable]

[acoustic osprey]

Yes it do be

[kindred bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know if dinosaurs are necessary for AE besides being lab rats

[kindred bobcat]

war or just monitastion stuff those greddy corps, but dondi has said he wont do AE like that

right?

[low scarab]

I thought don said they were unfortunate but necessary

[lethal moat]

Not war, something pharmacutial related

[low scarab]

So Apollo engineering is different from Apollo?

[low scarab]

I thought that was pheonix corp which isn’t cannon anymore

[lethal moat]

It's a part of a much larger corperation

[low scarab]

Don confirmed ae was food and botany at first

[low scarab]

Apollo or AE is

[lethal moat]

Apollo Engineering, I'm not sure if we know the name of the actual corporation

[pale marsh]

It'd help alot of things if we lnew how AE acquired the replicator

[lethal moat]

Or what it even is lol

[low scarab]

Wait so apollo engineering is apart of a bigger corporation

[lethal moat]

Yes

[low scarab]

What’s the difference between AE and apollo

[lethal moat]

Apollo is shorthand for AE currently

[low scarab]

I want a drawing of it from Tapwing

[lethal moat]

It might just be an automated lab

[low scarab]

Some freaky gross gorey drawing of all the sacrifices and such and some massive robotic creation

[low scarab]

How do you sacrifice stuff to a lab

[pale marsh]

As I understand there is an AI involved with it
Wether it's the replicator itself idk