isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

If it was 15km, that would not make sense

[hexed flax]

True. But now we know that Gateway is 15 kilometers long. Still good enough to scale some things

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, v3 size basically

https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/clans//10915315/ee0ca462169dbf88d034d56f8ed9c238635b168b.png
THIS is also interesting

I was on my phone and now I get on my laptop

"Drainage entry"
"Jungle Basin Entry"
"Swamp Road"

Good to see they're preplanning

which also means we know where this is roughly

[nimble verge]

250ft-450ft dome?

Gotta have some type of large land creature in it due to that transport truck.

[acoustic osprey]

What else would you put it in, I guess

[bleak flint]

Maybe that is tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[bleak flint]

15km seems big enough to house multiple hypos for testing

[acoustic osprey]

I don't believe it was reference to Dome being 15km

[rustic urchin]

i dont think the dome is 15km, the map itself is

[bleak flint]

Oh yeah

LOL

[rustic urchin]

a 15km dome would be like its own city

[bleak flint]

15k dome 😭

[nimble verge]

Possibly closed off hexadomes where they're testing interactions of the dinosaurs?

[wanton delta]

Mars colony in the Isle

[acoustic osprey]

In which way would you call it "closed off"?

We know these domes wont be entirely closed off
Having their own gates

[nimble verge]

Well, they have reinforced glass across the top and steel/concrete bases.

I'm mainly just talking,

[bleak flint]

I feel like it doesnt make sense for tartarus to literally be underground

Having a giant containment facility makes more sense in my mind

[modern rover]

i mean

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus sounds like it's underground

[modern rover]

the best place to put a giant containment facility is underground

[acoustic osprey]

Why call it Tartarus then

[modern rover]

because of the whole "walls are reinforced by the earth itself and the only way out is up" thing

[acoustic osprey]

And also!
https://open.spotify.com/track/08nT8qF5kq55XBypRz8wzJ?si=773657ecd62e4d0a

Underground time!!

But yes, Tartarus sounds more akin to being down under

[bleak flint]

Tartarus is in the underworld which is under the world

[acoustic osprey]

rather than being out in the open

[modern rover]

and the "people can't see we're creating unethical monsters and playing God because they don't know we have a giant underground testing/containment facility due to the fact it is buried beneath the earth" thing

[bleak flint]

Tartarus isnt an isolates underground thing

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, which it would make sense to call your underground facility "Tartarus"

[bleak flint]

Its just underground cuz its in the underworld

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-gif-20569409

if you're going to take it purely literally, then sure

But then, where are the Titans and others in Tartarus?

I don't believe we have any reference to any Titans, iirc

in Evrima canon

[bleak flint]

True

But having it undeground just sounds like a pain

[acoustic osprey]

But no, Tartarus isn't in the Earth's core/underworld

more so taking this in the most realistic reason to call something, with some sort of high status for the islands, that is underground as "Tartarus"

unless it's just Tartarus because "it holds bigger creatures"

[bleak flint]

If it was underground an incredible amount of dirt would have to he taken out of the ground and stuff

[rustic urchin]

based on old lore, the island was known to the government and government officials semi regularly came there, so hiding stuff underground makes sense

plus. we already know gateway has a bunch of underground faciliies with the GUTS and all the things it leads to

[acoustic osprey]

We already know they have dug a lot

one example being the GUTS tunnel system

[rustic urchin]

assuming the generic underground transport system leads to underground facilities, and doesnt pop up whenever it reaches the "station"

[acoustic osprey]

I'm honestly guessing Tartarus is an underground facility of sort

And less so a prison, at least not a prison in AE's own lens

[rustic urchin]

prison for whatevers being contained and researched

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe a prison to the minds of Echidna (even promoted through the propaganda from The Replicator), but a facility for AE- AE working on their most highly experimental "things"

[bleak flint]

Digging up tunnels for a train isn’t comparable to creating a giant underground facil

[acoustic osprey]

It's not just trains

[modern rover]

these are the same guys who covered an island in massive glass domes that rise into the heavens i think they can manage it

[rustic urchin]

tbf the tunnels weve seen of the guts are huge

[acoustic osprey]

there are multiple GUTS tunnels without train tracks

[acoustic osprey]

big

[rustic urchin]

AE must have some insane structural engineers

a nice detail to the map would be construction machinery and such to indicate that yeah, people built this stuff lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/713759451836055653/993847937547382824/unknown.png

https://gyazo.com/a20cba9917dd4eb73aeaa6d7d677064b
Any guessed?

[rustic urchin]

Little baby man

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on when they last worked on Gateway, I'm guessing
(prior to getting the "incident")

[rustic urchin]

When they last worked on it or had to do any kinds of renovation or maintenance

Honestly might be easier to just keep a lot of that equipment on site rather than have to export/import them off the island whenever needed

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on the when

But yeah, why move it

I'm guessing they might own their own "AE Building Corps"

And why not? They seem to have a lot of money

Which doesn't need to just rely on whatever AE needs built
The building industry could be a nice partial route for income

[bleak flint]

True

[rustic urchin]

Either their own construction branch or just hiring a lot of contractors

Maybe even government support

[acoustic osprey]

using their own tools they store on Gateway/Islands

[bleak flint]

What are they transporting through the tunnels that requires such big tunnels

[acoustic osprey]

Colossus

[bleak flint]

They need technology to cut them into small chunks

And fly them by drone and then reassemble them

[rustic urchin]

Frankenstein

[acoustic osprey]

Which things?

[bleak flint]

Everything

[acoustic osprey]

in reference to GUTS? or just them building anything

[bleak flint]

I mean the animals

[acoustic osprey]

?

We do know that Animals are helicoptered in, at least Rex can be

[bleak flint]

Cut the animals into small ice cubed size chunks and transport them and then reassemble them to stop escapes during transit (it was a joke 😭)

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-laughing-gif-6054649

[nimble verge]

Most likely the big big big boys are brought in as babies/juvies

[acoustic osprey]

Or just made there

[shut remnant]

hey guys it wasn't clear from the devlog, will u6.5 include the migration to ue5?

oops wrong channel

[acoustic osprey]

Migration will come with Gateway

[river ocean]

I'm already waiting for the true fans of the Isle lore to start consider every pixel here.

[icy onyx]

oh we're already on it

[acoustic osprey]

Hi!

[river ocean]

Hi

[acoustic osprey]

Time to look

Not spoiler

Characterization
The ceratosaurus is billed as a tough, bullying garbage disposal. Though it is neither particularly fast nor damaging for its size, ceratosaurus is an extremely durable animal. With its shortcomings as a hunter, it excels beyond most as a scavenger. Ceratosaurus is capable of detecting rotting corpses and bones much further than other animals on the roster, easily consuming these otherwise undesirable leftovers as an alternate survival tactic. This loads its mouth with bacteria, increasing in potency the more the remain have decayed.
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Speed
Ceratosaurus is slow for a theropod of its size, however this animal attacks incredibly fast. Combining this with a bacterial bite makes this animal particularly difficult to move if they do not want to.
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Feeding Habits
Certatosaurus has an insatiable appetite. It can detect decaying, rotting corpses, bones, and vomit from great distances. The further along the decay, the further the distance a ceratosaurus can pick up the scent. It also consumes food at an increased rate and amount. This allows even a single ceratosaurus to deplete the food value of a body with alarming speed. Due to the amount of food they consume, sustaining large packs is difficult. This animal is food aggressive and forcefully chuffs when approached if food is nearby.

Constitution
The thick skin of the ceratosaurus makes it difficult to apply meaningful damage to them by creatures even larger than themselves. Not only does it have an innate stronger resistance to bleeds, but it has a temporary bleed reduction until sufficiently wounded. Also, while eating the ceratosaurus becomes immune to damage beneath a certain threshold, allowing it to completely brush off minor attacks and harassment from smaller animals while focusing on itself.

Noteworthy Characteristics
Ceratosaurus’s mouth is teeming with bacteria from the rotting corpses it consumes. Excessive damage from this animal can cause creatures to vomit uncontrollably over time, including animals larger than itself. This is something only solved by finding a salt lick, or waiting out the effects.

Ceratosaurus can eat any meat, organs, or bones regardless of freshness and does not suffer from overeating in the same manner as other animals. Overindulging in food reinvigorates the strength and potency of its bacterial bite.

Jungle + Grasslands

wonder if we'll get Troodon's one soon

[icy onyx]

All I can imagine as to why it is being a problem for humans is that their bases will be set in specific biomes for overviewing the species in that region and the nomadic lifestyle is just going to be annoying, nothing else much to infer and guess about that

[icy summit]

PLEASE

[wanton delta]

Assuming the full squares for the animal's background compared = 1 meter, hopefully they're unanimous and stay for each species sheet.

[acoustic osprey]

It might be

[safe valve]

Typed out the Notes for ease of reading.

Due to the range they will journey for food, it is difficult to classify a preferential territory. While lone juveniles often don't wander far, once they reach a defensive size the adults can be considered a nomadic animal regardless of site location

Highly efficient digestive system. Seen devouring bones, horns, hooves, and even each other.

Exceptionally aggressive towards other members of its own species. Ceratosaurus is found in small social groups only when food is in surplus. When two or more of these social groups encounter one another, end result is almost always complete death and consumption of one of the social groups.

Despite several lethal encounters, it has been concluded ceratosaurs does not succumb to the nasty effects its bite has on other animals. Do not approach them when they are feeding. You will hear them from very far off. You will know.

[acoustic osprey]

But it provides no key
And would mean cera is roughly 15+ meters in length

Depending on when this was made
It could be an example of a Gen 2 "glancing" and studying these animals

Or scientists of AE prior to "incident" studying their animals

[wanton delta]

True, would be nice to see an Isle accurate size for them though, but possibly could be something we see for the future.

[acoustic osprey]

Well, we'll see in 6.5

But I heavily doubt it being accurate, obviously

[acoustic osprey]

Is it all unreliable!

[limber steeple]

hey what update are we in r now

[bold crater]

Update 6

[acoustic osprey]

Added the new cera information
Alongside Smaug's transcription

Will likely start using a dropbox/drive to contain all these images soon- likely in one or two images
As Don loves spoilering the images, so it becomes lovely when downloading them
but they also get shrouded by P3, etc etc

Alright, the biggest "problem" now coming from this piece of information is:

• who did this (not explicitly their name, but their role with AE- both the printed words, pencil/pen and artwork)
• when was this
  - Before or after "Incident" (under the assumption an incident had occurred and AE left, which is seen as the most likely assumption with our current knowledge form lore docs, word from devs and concept art)

The recent Cerato document contains two subjects ||even three, if you include the artwork||
the pre-written content and the "scribble" (akin to the last lore document, that being ERRANT-291)

Are these two subjects from the same character?
Or has someone read this AE species report and written over it- adding their own scribbled notes
- This would be akin to ERRANT-291, where they had taken a Facility Abstract Guide/GLANCE REFERENCE and wrote over it before being taken

An issue that arises is why would "X" character (let's call this person AE Scientist) write their own species report and then rewrite over it with a pencil/pen?
when they could just add a note, like the other notes, that they are "problematic" aka. Do not interact with Ceratos

I'm presuming it's likely the same issue with 291
where a Scientist (or possibly, possibly, a Generation Two) wrote it in their own book
Typed it down into the "Dinosaur Species Glance Sheet Template"
And then someone took it for their own advantage, using it as a guide around the island
- Which sounds like something a Gen 2 would do

Another issue then comes down to the actual art itself, which leads to me to believe that a Gen 2 didn't actually do this- unless Gen 2s are highly talented individuals
using their 4k CRT monitor and old school mouse to draw it into their Glance Report

In the end, this is very different from the ERRANT report
There being no reference to a date

Besides that both reports are aged

and there are barely any referable words

the ONLY thing note-worthy is that the "General Site Designations" Paper had, on the top, Glance Reference Document

So it might tarnish the validity of that paper

unless it's just in reference in it being an abstract (A Network graph) rather than a normal scaled map

Which would make sense with that context

[rustic urchin]

the glance part of the errant paper is probably referencing that its an abstract guide and not a map is my guess

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, same

But you know

[rustic urchin]

i think the idea of the glance reference being something made and printed throughout the island for workers and then a gen2 finding that later, stashing it, and writing their own notes on it later, is most likely as well

[acoustic osprey]

when you refer to "notes on it later"
you refer to the pencil notes, like in the recent Cera one?

[rustic urchin]

yeah, the hand written notes

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, I agree

It'd make sense for something like that

[rustic urchin]

seems like something where they read over it, had some personal experience, and jotted down an important note

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 2s adding their own comments about "X" thing

[rustic urchin]

ex: they had a run-in with a cerato and "problematic" had to be noted

[acoustic osprey]

imagine adding a note on a thing
you die
A few days later, someone finds it

[rustic urchin]

unless "problematic" is in reference to its finicky placement on territory/preferred biome, and was something one or more people decided to edit manually

[acoustic osprey]

ah yeah, true

Didn't think of that

that would also make sense

[rustic urchin]

since it seems to cross out the territory part and just replace it with problematic

hard to say

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

It might be from a Gen 2
Probably holding onto some of these papers, either to find a Cera or stay away from one

Then they find a cera(s) that has found itself away from a Jungle and Grassland

or that an AE Scientist
The same, or another one (roughly same time period) found that it was a dubious piece of information (finding that, no, Cera tends to be quite random with it's homes)

[rustic urchin]

especially looking at the notes section, going over how adult ceratos dont really have a clear cut territory or anything and are pretty nomadic

[acoustic osprey]

Could also be a mistake from the scientist themselves

Especially if it was a scientist, being more of a normal human (?), being able to conjure mistakes

[rustic urchin]

Yes

[meager junco]

I’d say it’s most likely feet, since cera here is 6 meters and the sheet seems to show cera being in between 19-20 squares, and 6 meters is 19 ft, almost 20

[short falcon]

I wonder if ceratosaurus caused a pandemic in the rest of the world because someone working there got bit

[strange shell]

It would be kinda counter-productive for a medical company to spread an epidemy to the entire world because they couldn't handle one bacterial disease

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[fresh scaffold]

i feel like if someone got bit by a ceratosaurus in the wild they wouldnt live to tell the tale

also, bacteria that enter the body through a bite wound arent generally super transmissible between individuals like that because they dont generally inhabit the pneumatic system

[nimble verge]

It's how they'd make more money

[modern rover]

being directly linked to the death of a great number of the population from a disease contracted and originating from your probably illegal dinosaur testing grounds with less than questionable ethics in terms of creating massive starving killing machines and EMP-producing genius killing machines that can destroy modern infrastructure is probably NOT good for making money

if any investigative agency tracks the source of the disease back to your island i'd imagine you'd be more than screwed

[severe raft]

Slashed them, decapitated, terminated, had to be pragmatic

[livid shard]

Lol, Imagine having this kind of tapes on the isle lore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYsMn5ON5Cs

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[livid shard]

That would be very cool

[nimble verge]

The Isle Analog horror

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/HuYUoLM8BNA

[acoustic osprey]

that being said
We don't know the extend of AE and their control

Are they government-owned?
Privately owned?
Loop-holed privatised government owned?

If they were government-owned, heck, I can see AE being sick and truly unethical without limitations
Sure, not "evil generic company"
but a company not concerned with the right and wrong- only concerned about finding the best ways to get money out of people in the most capitalist fashion

I believe we had a talk about, a few days back, artificially controlling diseases and AE not curing immortality

sure, that's dystopian
But we're still living in this weird "context-less" environment for AE at the moment

[strange shell]

There was mentions of government fundings in old lore
But yeah... old lore

[nimble verge]

Could be UN funded but eh.

[strange shell]

What if AE is a mercenary company who works for multiple governments ?

[wanton delta]

Always thought of AE as having some form of shadow front, hard covered for by any possible angle and by all means a company, but not the goals of the organization.
Kind of like Hitman, where it acts more similarly to a government itself rather than being limited or even unbound by one.

[acoustic osprey]

Old lore, yes

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[gentle vessel]

So kinda like the company from the forest that caused the plot of that game?

[acoustic osprey]

I guess

[rustic urchin]

Loreish?

so something along the lines of the game encouraging us to research and study the dinos, as gen2

so gen2 lorewise may partially be there for dinosaur research, which adds up

[acoustic osprey]

loreish, yes

The problem is it contains a good variety of dot points
But I'm guessing it's more to the former

It would especially make sense for the first sentence
Seeing as it's been heavily hinted that Gen 2s will study/research/bird-watch the Dinosaurs (to some extent)

I do hope, if there is any, "getting in-game lore artefacts" that serve to nothing for gameplay should not play as a reason to play that lifestyle

I do remember someone a few months back talking about it.
But if it's a side thing? Sure, please, would be great

Unless such lore artefact actually contains useful and worthwhile gameplay, promoting that lifestyle, then sure

[elder notch]

Hello, I am new to this channel and I would like to contribute something. I don't know if you have already talked about this but, in this image you can see those doors and they are quite big compared to the one on the left that seems to be for humans. My theory is that those doors are elevators or on the other side there is another door that leads to the interior of the dome, being like an enclosure where humans study these creatures. I think they put the creatures with the cage trucks from the other drawing and release them inside the dome. And this structure is the dome that they are working on right now at Gateway, Thanks for reading.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1003091745984233563/1078217849295884368/Interior.png

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yes, it likely is connected to the Dome

Well thinking about it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1078217848922574858/Dome_Interior.png

this one is called "Dome Interior"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1078217849295884368/Interior.png
This is one just Interior

But yes, I presume dinosaurs are placed into those larger gates
Taken through?
Depending on where they end up to

Or A, B and C are holding pens?
Medical sick bay pens?

[rustic urchin]

i could see some lore stuff being a side reward

like do some mission/contract/whatever and you get actual loot as reward, but additionally a little lore paper or something

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

I believe Don/Someone talked about a "Lore Library" of sorts? In the main menu

[rustic urchin]

like hey you researched a cerato, have some 9mm ammunition

also heres a dossier

[elder notch]

Surely

[acoustic osprey]

I'd guess, if something like that happened, then any piece of lore you get will get stored in your library in the main menu

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/miles-morales-spiderman-superhero-eating-food-gif-17729331

Dossier on the side!

[acoustic osprey]

But yeah
Absolutely love the feel of these artworks- especially the yellow dead feel to them

I do hope we see those two artworks in the next few years or so

Or any information about them

especially for lore

[elder notch]

Ye, me too

[acoustic osprey]

but hey, I can't complain
Seems like Don got back from a bit of radio silence- even though it's more on the social side here, and less so on lore

So I definitely wont complain ||the conversations, despite not being lore, have been fun||

At least these past P3's have been more lore orientated

[bold crater]

Loreientated

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.tenor.com/mASbAu_znDUAAAAM/danny-devito-its-always-sunny.gif

[bold crater]

[acoustic osprey]

exactly

[knotty jolt]

Dondi scrolling through lore chat watching lightclaw lose his mind

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rb551-not-us-were-independent-thinkers-independent-thinkers-we-are-independent-thinkers-gif-19920785

[acoustic osprey]

Going to try and recreate this
Just to make it more one paper, rather than two stuck together with glue

[tender dock]

gawd you went far to find that

[acoustic osprey]

lol

this is the first test

exterior was easy
Inner cuts are fun :))))

[acoustic osprey]

Alright, I think this is pretty solid for the time being
Still pretty crap, but a good beginning

It would honestly be easier to trace over it and make a "clean paper" version of it
but hey, why do that when you can fix two broken papers!!

[nimble verge]

Can't wait to have Zoo Tycoon Gameplay that'd be fun.

[modern rover]

this sounds so much more fun and interesting than "shoot dino mode"

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

even if it's not entirely accurate to the final product
It's still a pretty solid and unique idea

Sounds like it'll be hard to design properly
But if done well, it'll be good

[modern rover]

oh of course

but playing dinosaur safari mode sounds SO cool

especially if said safari animals can kick your ass

[rustic urchin]

man i just want my shoot humans mode lol

looter shooter where instead of collecting sheet metal youre collecting dino samples

plus trying to not die to dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

TheHunter Primal
Without TheHunter part

[acoustic osprey]

The Isle Mafia please

[modern rover]

finding a camera with three pictures on it

one is of a family of nesting carnotaurus tending to their young
one is the same family, except the carno is now looking at the cameraman
the last is a charging carno

btw, if they DO add a camera, i hope we can go through it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-saul-goodman-bob-odenkirk-picture-gif-3471803

If they do add a camera, please make it unnecessarily complicated!
And an auto mode

[modern rover]

Auto-shutter

[acoustic osprey]

Well, auto everything

Albeit, I don't think a non-auto (manual) camera feature would actually work
Especially with long exposure photos

Still, taking photos is a neat idea!

[icy onyx]

It’d be great if you could find them on people after they die. A photo of a lake, a photo of a Stego a good distance away. An Omniraptor jumping at the camera…

[edgy pike]

Gen 2s seeing a mutilated human corpse for the Rugops dossier file

[sterile fossil]

What are you guys talking about at the moment if you don't mind id like to join in your conversation?

[long onyx]

The popular hit dinosaur survival game called "The Isle"

[sterile fossil]

I know

[long onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1061065322486038548/1073373551945588816/attachment-1.gif

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

just realised this wasn't included in the doc

Completely forgot and have to be ready if we ever get proper audible voiced transmissions in the future
I am excluding the morse tracks for the time being

[edgy pike]

is this in reference to a creature or like olympus transmitter?

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna, a creature

Aka. Neurotenic Mastermind

[edgy pike]

ahhh ok i thought it meant like the replicator ai luring humans to the islands or something

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, it could be a conjoint effort

Knowing that Tribals sacrifice things to The Replicator
There seems to be some bond with these human things with The Replicator

[edgy pike]

would echidna have the intelligence (as in alive long enough to have the gist of how things work with the world) to get what was going on with their partnership? maybe might be a more one sided thing

[acoustic osprey]

Most likely

being "Neurotenic Mastermind"

[edgy pike]

what was the estimate again for how long since the "incident" that the game takes place in

[acoustic osprey]

One can believe there is a relation to the intelligence

[acoustic osprey]

Realistically, we have no idea when this all occurred
But by judging the game's concept art and other smaller aspects

it's roughly 20 years, give or take

[edgy pike]

ah fair enough then

probably not the trope of "strange new creature trying to figure out things" then

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

(unless you were to look at it when it was first created)

[tranquil imp]

What if the humans have mechs to fight off the hypos and regular apex tyrants.

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe
Maybe not

If they did, I'd presume we would know already
Unless it's being kept as a surprise

[tranquil imp]

This is lore right

[acoustic osprey]

Lore channel

[tranquil imp]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

Yes!

[tranquil imp]

It’s just a theory

[acoustic osprey]

A game theory

[pseudo fable]

Super fun idea, but totally not useful for gameplay. Only fun for "woo me immersion" which I'm totally for but makes zero business sense.

[icy onyx]

Oh yeah absolutely not, it’ll be a long, long, long time before we end up with fun extra bits like that, if ever. It’d be lame as hell if they put time into that right now instead of the engine upgrade and map and the other big things planned right now lol.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-baron-zemo-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-fair-enough-seems-fair-gif-22912772

Would love to see cameras make their way into the game
If they can be woven correctly for gameplay

[hoary scroll]

but its cool

[acoustic osprey]

You have to deal with it!!

[hoary scroll]

[rapid chasm]

i think the 15km dome will be redwoods

[bold crater]

That'd be interesting. I am still curious as to why bio-domes though if that were the case. For testing extreme environments like arctic or scorching biomes, sure. But Redwoods seem pretty tame to keep in a gigantic enclosed ecosystem

Hmm

[rapid chasm]

hypo domes

[bold crater]

Was just gonna say unless they're trying to keep something in

[sonic rampart]

I don't think the 15km was referring to the dome

15km on one side would be the size of v3

[rapid chasm]

"at the longest pint, this dome is 15km"

[knotty locust]

doesnt say that specifically

[rapid chasm]

oh wait

[sonic rampart]

Yup

[rapid chasm]

that refers to the map

[bold crater]

[rapid chasm]

sorry im like half asleep rn

[knotty locust]

[bold crater]

Do we know how many domes are present on Gateway? Or is it just the one 😮

[rapid chasm]

theres like 4 or something

[bold crater]

Man, the more I see all of what they've built, the more I wonder how the heck do you get the money and resources for this

[rapid chasm]

human labour

[bold crater]

Few outposts here and there, sure! Gigantic domes that contain entire biomes within and are likely self-sustaining, hwhat

[rapid chasm]

qatar moment

[bold crater]

[acoustic osprey]

Aye!

[acoustic osprey]

The Wall

[bold crater]

Walls are scary

They can hide things

[acoustic osprey]

We know, at least, that we wont be getting arid biodomes (at least not on Gateway)

Did some math
The map is roughly 14.38 to 13.53km^2
~ 14km^2

[bold crater]

Yeah I remember Dondi saying he doesn't want extreme temperatures/dinos being affected in them which is a shame. Temperature can definitely be done properly despite what many may claim

[acoustic osprey]

the hypotenuse being roughly just below 20km

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

(This is presuming that the "longest point" goes from NE to SW)

[bold crater]

I've always firmly believed that temperature should be a staple in survival games just as much as health and hunger is

Now if they are bio-domes and they aren't really that extreme.....the heck would they be used for

[acoustic osprey]

I honestly don't like the idea of biodomes

but if there are going to be a lot of domes (a fair amount of them)

Then I guess one or two can be
To which I believe the Hexagon will be

From what Tap said?

[bold crater]

I can understand that. I'm kinda indifferent to them personally. Though I would rather them be extreme instead of just....a regular biome. Because at that point, it just seems odd to have something so simple be locked up instead of part of the island.

[acoustic osprey]

I'm talking more about their use in lore, rather than them being functional or not

But I'd like to see a winter biodome, in terms of visuals

The juxtaposition!

[bold crater]

Same with the lore. Why would you make a gigantic dome only to house a biome that isn't really that "special" per se

Like a Redwoods biodome 😮

A winter or desert dome could be useful since it creates unique conditions at least

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
even then, why would you make biodomes in the first place? Sure, you can test dinosaurs in different environments... but, unless these dinosaurs are being sold- despite the more medicinal approach to AE (InGen in JW2 selling their dinos)

[rustic urchin]

I could imagine even outside the biodomes, AE using some practice to alter the islands climate in certain regions

[bold crater]

Altering the island itself sounds more interesting honestly.

[bold crater]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-14744673

[acoustic osprey]

or just buying an island in a different area around the world!!

[bold crater]

Wait wait wait I just remembered a thing

[acoustic osprey]

Sure, sounds expensive
but it definitely seems like they're spending their money

[rustic urchin]

Like oh, redwoods don’t really grow well on these rocks in this tropical island climate. AE wants redwoods? Either genetically modify redwood trees to accept those conditions, and/or use some techno-magic to alter that region of the islands climate

Assuming they insisted upon having X biomes all on a specific island

Like for whatever reason they really wanted an island that had natural occurring tropical jungles, but also more temperate areas, and redwoods

[acoustic osprey]

If they can genetically create animal ecosystems
Alongside having a botany research area

Can they not alter plant ecosystems?

[bold crater]

Didn't that old U4 teaser with Region 2 mention replicating Region 2? Perhaps the Replicator makes more than just living beings?

Could....the Replicator make entire environments?

[rustic urchin]

Can definitely alter plants, even irl we do that

[acoustic osprey]

I don't believe Replicator can create things without a prompt

[rustic urchin]

Tamper with X crop to make it grow and survive well in an area it normally wouldn’t

[acoustic osprey]

Unless you fed it old Legacy

[bold crater]

Ah.....she's that SCP coffee machine.....cup of Joe

[rustic urchin]

Cloudy with a chance of meatballs food machine

[bold crater]

C o r n

[rustic urchin]

Cheeseburger

[acoustic osprey]

^

[bold crater]

Also to clarify, Replicator is female, right?

I remember seeing that somewhere

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[rustic urchin]

Probably doesn’t have a gender unless it wanted one

[bold crater]

[acoustic osprey]

At least, she is referred to as a she

[bold crater]

Mkay just making sure

[acoustic osprey]

I presume it's more of a "car thing"
than it calling itself her

She is also like mother nature

[rustic urchin]

Like how ships and cars are referred to as female?

[bold crater]

Like how sailors call boats she n' su-yep

[acoustic osprey]

If she can "replicate" (create) things
She is practically mother nature

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
If AE made her

[rustic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/brothers-and-i-am-mother-natures-brother-brother-nature-andy-dwyer-parks-and-rec-gif-15619742

[acoustic osprey]

https://twitter.com/theisleofficial/status/1360337909266620417

The Isle (@theisleofficial)

Caves? ✅
Redwoods? ✅
Reintegrating a version of a fan favorite map inside of Spiro? ✅
Not even putting it on the roadmap because Dondi didn't tell us?✅
Update... 4? ✅

We'll keep you updated as we get updated.

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[bold crater]

eeeeuuuUUUUUGGGH

[rustic urchin]

Still wish we got some of that

[bold crater]

I swear I remember seeing replicating some environment

Maybe it was in the transmitter......

[rustic urchin]

It was from Olympus transmitter

[acoustic osprey]

Remember when we had Hyper Fences on Spiro
(for one hotfix)

[rustic urchin]

Dead

[bold crater]

🫵

[rustic urchin]

Transmitter has been REVOKED from canon

[bold crater]

Wait, so it's like non-existent or just heavily altered? 😮

Because that lore paper mentions it ;o;

[acoustic osprey]

which thing?

[bold crater]

Olympus Transmitter

[rustic urchin]

Transmitter still exists, but iirc everything it “said” is revoked from canon

[bold crater]

Ah

[rustic urchin]

Basically anything from the Olympus Twitter

[bold crater]

So

So they cancelled it

[acoustic osprey]

Legacy Olympus Transmitter = Gone
Evrima Olympus Transmitter (nothing) = Here! (But offline in-lore, at the time ERRANT was running around)

[rustic urchin]

So all the “ring yes for once twice for no” yada yada I think is gone, until explicitly brought back

[bold crater]

I mean I don't feel like that's too much of a loss considering it was mostly super vague surreal stuff

[rustic urchin]

Thronebreaker, alphonse

[acoustic osprey]

Had a lot of good info on Tribals

[bold crater]

Except for the "your reality may become temporarily unstable" that would often herald an update

[acoustic osprey]

practically our only info on Tribals and their behaviour

[rustic urchin]

The replicator is not without its protectors

[bold crater]

Oh Wasn't aware of that O_o

Also since I am not too caught up with recent lore, what do we know of ERRANT? 😮

Is it a person/being?

[acoustic osprey]

Was a thing

[bold crater]

[rustic urchin]

Errant is the funny incident report thing right

[acoustic osprey]

Seems to be a person, unless Tribals can talk proper English

[bold crater]

Would be freaky if they could speak Planet of The Apes style.

[bold crater]

https://tenor.com/view/attack-apes-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-gif-10729582

[rustic urchin]

It implies tribals can talk right?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/got-wildlings-game-of-thrones-jon-snow-rolls-eyes-gif-13675219

[acoustic osprey]

Transmitter?

[rustic urchin]

The incident report

[acoustic osprey]

no

It implies 291 can talk

[rustic urchin]

The whole, hear an echo thing?

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/9620f91ccb32ba7b0eeed1db57bf4986

[acoustic osprey]

That's this

[rustic urchin]

What about the part about not talking to “them”

Is that echidna?

[acoustic osprey]

true

That paper alludes to such possibility

[bold crater]

The fact all we have is literally just "a" is pretty funny to me. Lotta SCP vibes

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[bold crater]

I hope we can access the clear documents somehow

[acoustic osprey]

i HOPE this is in-game somehow

and not just "lorum ipsum"

I presume Don didn't want us going through lore stuff in the ST yet

[bold crater]

There ARE words and, unless it's just like lorum ipsum stuff to look legit under the markings like you said, I wanna KNOW

[rustic urchin]

Be able to find redacted parts in game through quests and stuff would be cool

[wanton delta]

the whole "suffering fatal cardiac arrest" has me interested

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, there is definite words in it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

(AE)

[rustic urchin]

Cardiac arrest can happen from things like blunt force trauma or blood loss iirc, so hard to pinpoint what caused it

[bold crater]

It reminds me of one document you could find in SCP: Containment Breach that was like 90% redacted. Someone angrily wrote in pen on it something along the lines of "When I asked for a redacted copy, you could've just said "no"!"

[rustic urchin]

Since cardiac arrest is just, heart go stop, I think?

[wanton delta]

"Order another shipment of 10 Larry's, We're running low again."

[acoustic osprey]

when the heart suddenly stops beating

[bold crater]

My first thought was that it sounded like it leaving GUTS somehow triggered it

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
Same line
No other context to how such thing could've happened

Unless the autopsy report has info on it

[bold crater]

My brain wants to say spoopy Neurotenic stuff

[wanton delta]

but the interesting bit to me is that it's "when leaving", not after having left

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/d5c1ebbec275c68027df8abf9d1cd43b
I really hope these exist somehow

[rustic urchin]

Ok yea so just about anything could’ve caused it, from blunt trauma, to blood loss, to neurological stress

[acoustic osprey]

Although I know Don said he doesn't want to hone down on certain characters

[bold crater]

Neurological, JUST SAYING

[acoustic osprey]

Albeit, it would be cool to find those footnotes (physically) in-game

[rustic urchin]

Quite possible echidna just brain blasted him

[acoustic osprey]

depends on where Echidna is and what she can do
And when this all occurred

Sure, we have a "date"
but before or after "incident"

[bold crater]

Maybe it could've been something like "You've gone too far with whatever you're doing, gotta remote terminate you now" stuff

[rustic urchin]

2172 😁

[bold crater]

ERRANT did something Echidna didn't want basically

(If she's even tied to it of course)

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lipstick-taser-gru-steve-carell-kristen-wiig-lucy-wilde-gif-16561688

[bold crater]

[rustic urchin]

Honestly i get the feeling Dondi intentionally miswrote all of the blacked out stuff so if anyone managed to get past it, it was just a bunch of misinfo lol

[acoustic osprey]

Although, if this was a Tribal
Would AE want any of their "product" killed intentionally?

[bold crater]

"How did you manage to see this also haha get pranked on, loser"

[rustic urchin]

Remember the fuzzy camera in legacy when you got close to buildings

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

[wanton delta]

probably all the kilograms Larry got wrong honestly

[acoustic osprey]

to hope it never returns!

[bold crater]

That was confirmed to purely be for discouraging players going near unfinished buildings; no lore connection.

[rustic urchin]

Yes

[bold crater]

I'm pretty sure at least.

[acoustic osprey]

^

[rustic urchin]

Makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[bold crater]

Ya know, if it's true that the people they're sending to the isle aren't really scientists, just kinda random people they got.....really reminds me even more of SCP. They sound like our version of D-Class. Not that that's a bad thing, I love SCP.

[wanton delta]

Hard to be a closed research if the subjects exit the location? not sure

[bold crater]

"Look just go in, take your new fancy equipment, and write down what ya see, mkay bud?"

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 2s? Or

[rustic urchin]

Femur breaker

[bold crater]

Gen2s, yeah

[bold crater]

Larry

[rustic urchin]

They weren’t sent, they were made

[acoustic osprey]

All the same age!

[rustic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/kaminoan-kamino-clone-clonetrooper-gif-19380536

[bold crater]

Well yeah, but I imagine they all have their own personalities and knowledge.....right? O_o

[wanton delta]

We're on like Larry#40 at this point

[bold crater]

Unless they start as a blank slate and learn from there

[rustic urchin]

Yeah they’re all distinct people afawk

[wanton delta]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

clones that are clones but not also really clones, but are still clones!

[rustic urchin]

Just all created artificially

And there’s at least some genetic distinction

[bold crater]

Okay I know it's ARK but hey, ARK's lore is honestly pretty darn cool. Hear me out.

Ya think it could be like ARK and taking existing people and then re-creating them basically?

[acoustic osprey]

Skin tones
Gender swaps
And face swaps

[rustic urchin]

Since both genders and multiple body types, facial structures, skin colors, etc are available

[acoustic osprey]

but physically all the same

[wanton delta]

they're made probably using relatively similar processes, but they can be different people

that's what I think

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
just the facial exterior being different

[bold crater]

It's like how you can have different shapes and colors of Sour Patch Kids, but they're all still the same candy.

[acoustic osprey]

I imagine no physical difference between males and females

[rustic urchin]

It is weird to me how they were seemingly designed to have like a comic book movie physique

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-man-of-steel-gif-23391677

[wanton delta]

the different "flavors" of skittles

[rustic urchin]

Like they all look like captain america physique or something

[bold crater]

Hey, if you're sending in lab-made men into an island full of mutant dinosaurs, you'd probably want them to be more than capable of enduring it.

[rustic urchin]

That’s the thing though

[bold crater]

Wouldn't wanna send in someone scrawny who can barely travel through a dense jungle

[rustic urchin]

That super jacked, low fat physique isn’t super ideal

For survival anyway

[bold crater]

Yeah I remember that conversation and I agree 😛

[chrome acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/simulations-just-like-the-simulations-harrisonfog-battlefront2remaster-discord-gif-16952806

[rustic urchin]

Like I’d say a marine physique or something similar would be more like it

[bold crater]

Well, we do have new models for em now. They seem kinda normal unless it's just the clothing hiding their manliness

[rustic urchin]

Last we saw of their clotheless models they were still jacked

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[bold crater]

D-....D-.....D-Dynamic fatness?

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[bold crater]

Would be kinda interesting if your body had small changes like that

[acoustic osprey]

They're definitely ideal for cosmetic appearance, in the market

[bold crater]

Didn't Don say they age somehow?

[acoustic osprey]

They age
they're all the same age

[bold crater]

😮

[acoustic osprey]

no age gaps

[bold crater]

Oh, so no actually getting older as you play?

[chrome acorn]

well

[acoustic osprey]

"Older"
But I don't think it's accelerated

[chrome acorn]

If you die

[bold crater]

[chrome acorn]

your friends would go on aging without you

and if you respawn young

then there’s age gaps technically

unless you just respawn at the same age you died

[bold crater]

So would we uh....actually notice said technical age difference?

Or is it just a "technically speaking in lore" thing

[rustic urchin]

I don’t think they’ll age in game, but lore wise I think they age

[bold crater]

Hmm

[rustic urchin]

It’s just not something you would be able to notice in game unless you played WAY too much

[bold crater]

[chrome acorn]

but I wanna have old grey beard survivor man!

[rustic urchin]

Okay fine, play for 20 years

[bold crater]

Hair growth at least could prolly be simulated pretty well.

[acoustic osprey]

^
I'm guessing normal age growth
or slower aging

[rustic urchin]

Beard sculpting mechanic

[acoustic osprey]

RDR2

Hi Dondi, if you see this, is this possible in The Isle?

[chrome acorn]

hmmm

[rustic urchin]

Basically they probably won’t be like Dino’s where they grow up in irl hours, probably age in real time

And at that point no reason to add a mechanic for them to age

[bold crater]

Hair growth and cleanliness Meet a freshly spawned clean shaven and good hygiene Gen 2 ready to go!

Meanwhile he's giving you the look as you yourself are all dirty with a scruffy beard and long hair under a torn cap......

[rustic urchin]

Unless someone really sat there on one life, for so long that they could argue that there should be noticeable aging

[honest sierra]

Alternatively collect nuts, mushrooms, and flowers to grow

[bold crater]

EEEEEEEE

[acoustic osprey]

I can imagine, if they're used as a product (Opt-in body!!)
It would be better to not age

[chrome acorn]

If I can keep a merc alive 24 hours I want grey hair

[acoustic osprey]

But, gotta explain "normal aging" in The Isle

[rustic urchin]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

everything needs to be explained

[gentle vessel]

Just say it’s not hyper accelerated metabolism

[honest sierra]

Will there be diets for humans in TI?

[rustic urchin]

And that, I think, this is my ultimate theory, is where the weird human physique thing comes in

[gentle vessel]

Unlike the ae brand dinos

[bold crater]

Random probably bad theory

Gen 2s are "timed" because of whatever reason they were sent to the isle in the first place, eventually their age accelerates and they grow old and die

Or something like that. Not entirely serious. But hey, sometimes ye need a random theory to get close to a concrete theory.

[acoustic osprey]

hypo metabolism

[bold crater]

***Hyper 🤨🤨🤨🤨

[gentle vessel]

By “hyper metabolism” I didn’t mean the strain

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, I guess it depends if devs want an elder system

[bold crater]

Elder John Cake

[rustic urchin]

That bodybuilder, action star muscle physique isn’t super ideal for real world “survival”, or long endurance combat like in the military

But, it is what’s deemed as a good beauty standard, something people would pay good money to look like

If gen2 is meant to be like upgraded humans as society desires, then of course they’re going to have an aesthetic physique rather than a practical one

[acoustic osprey]

I know
It could a possibility that Gen2s even have Hypo Metabolism

[gentle vessel]

More like the Dino’s are made to grow super quick and die young

[gentle vessel]

Which could explain how the ecosystem is even alive on this tiny iskand

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder if AE can create Gen 2s at any age they want?
Or be Kamino and wait for them to get old

[rustic urchin]

I’m gonna guess the super fast growth and death thing in game is just gameplay and not pertaining to lore

[acoustic osprey]

Be like SoT and explain everything

[rustic urchin]

Like in lore the Dino’s probably aren’t growing up in hours or days and then dying in weeks or anything

[acoustic osprey]

If you're going to have lore, you should try to explain everything!!

[rustic urchin]

We actually know a little about our dinosaur lifespans with the cerato dossier. 16 years approximately for cerato

I’m assuming that’s in the wild?

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as Don wants meaning to everything in the game (Easter-eggs)

[wanton delta]

well, 16 somethings but presumably years

[acoustic osprey]

Well, 16 something

[chrome acorn]

explain why the rabbits can fly

[rustic urchin]

Fine, 16 hours

[acoustic osprey]

invisible wings

[rustic urchin]

We found how long ceras in game growth is

[acoustic osprey]

Fish? They're flying fish

[wanton delta]

I'll tell you when we figure out why fish fly

[wanton delta]

honestly from a gameplay standard that's not too bad, but years work for lore

[acoustic osprey]

(Elder growth time included)

[rustic urchin]

One game hour is one lore year

[honest sierra]

Wait really?

[acoustic osprey]

16 hours approx (seeing as they're bad at assuming things of dinos) isn't that bad
If you're including Nesting time, Juvie to Adult and Elder

[rustic urchin]

No

[chrome acorn]

There’s not a lore reason (yet) for the same animals having different skins and patterns at such variation which is certainly unnatural

[acoustic osprey]

no

[honest sierra]

Oh

[rustic urchin]

I misinformed you, get misinformationed

[honest sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/bamboozled-backstabbed-tricked-red-vs-blue-halo-gif-24766168

[acoustic osprey]

wow!

[chrome acorn]

you just got sarged

[honest sierra]

Fr

Anyone have a theory or estimate on how long an in game year is?

[chrome acorn]

365 ingame days

[acoustic osprey]

if anything, nothing

[honest sierra]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

We're definitely not in the time (for the game development) for the game to even have "time"

[chrome acorn]

No other answer is valid

[rustic urchin]

Honestly doubt in game time being weird because it’s a game is meant to be consistent with lore at all or anything

[honest sierra]

True

[acoustic osprey]

I don't believe we can count anything that's happening on The Isle to be equated into the current Isle timeline

[rustic urchin]

The sun came up 30 minutes ago why is it getting dark? Don’t think about it

[acoustic osprey]

Do a SoT

[rustic urchin]

Magic?

[acoustic osprey]

1 real year = roughly 1 SoT year

However

[chrome acorn]

isle calendar

[acoustic osprey]

SoT year = 365 days
Real year = 365 days

HOWEVER
It ignores the days actually played in-game

As if you're playing in one "time capsule" every game session

25 million players in SoT? Sure, in our world
but SoT lore? Only roughly 300 people ever existed in the area of SoT

[rustic urchin]

So like when you are playing the game time kinda stops?

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, you're playing in that "time capsule"

Which would be something akin to what Isle should do, imo

SoT handles it's lore very well
(Excluding minor details)

||harder when you're a triple a game who priorities game over lore at times- because producers being producers||

[wanton delta]

Random theory throwing time
If there was perhaps an in lore place where this doesn't happen, and someone went outside of this place, what would happen to said individual?

[chrome acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/muneh-rdr2-arthur-morgan-gif-20022681

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rekt-boi-elmo-shot-execution-gif-15314352

[rustic urchin]

Like if they left the time bubble?

[wanton delta]

He is infact, not in a dress, also not an animal

[wanton delta]

yeah

[rustic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

Idk time travel something something

You turn to dust like the witch from tangled

[acoustic osprey]

Technically you can't in SoT because of the shroud

but The Isle? Uhhhh

giant blue wall

[rustic urchin]

Mosa

[wanton delta]

time capsule idea sounds actually reasonable with the inclusion of a giant blue wall

otherwise it's kinda ehhh

[rustic urchin]

Naval fleet bombards you

[acoustic osprey]

ok Saurian

[rustic urchin]

Fine have an f18 super hornet hit you with a missile from miles away instead

[wanton delta]

I hear time capsule and imagine that it's a memory rather than a point in time you can return to

like an irl time capsule

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

practically, you're watching yourself exist in a realm of space (but you never actually existed in this realm) but yourself in that realm of space is not conscious of you watching them do stuff

[rustic urchin]

Yeah you lost me there but that sounds really cool

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[wanton delta]

definition of immersion basically

[acoustic osprey]

Okay, imagine you're playing with toys in your room, and you're having so much fun with them. Now, pretend you're watching yourself play with your toys, but from a different room. It's like you're watching yourself on TV, but it's really you. But even though you can see yourself playing with your toys, the you who is playing with the toys doesn't know that you're watching them. It's like a secret game that only you know about!

[wanton delta]

[rustic urchin]

Oh so you’re just watching an alternate version of yourself do stuff

[acoustic osprey]

Imagine you're watching a video of yourself playing, but you're really playing with toys in your room. The "you" in the video can't see you watching them!!!

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah! Like an actor watching a movie of themselves

[chrome acorn]

so your telling me
that all of the video game characters we’ve played over the years are real and alive living what they think are real lives but in reality are being controlled by us from this dimension the creators of their worlds and they have no idea

deep

[acoustic osprey]

It's a metaphor to EVERY video game

[wanton delta]

so rather than it being a recorded video perspective, you were actually there?

[rustic urchin]

Yes so every time youve jumped off a cliff to respawn, you really just subconsciously motivated a sentient being to do that

[chrome acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cerebro-explosion-mind-blown-gif-8141811

[acoustic osprey]

You are there
But YOU are not there- you are here, watching 'you' being there (who does not know YOU are there)

[rustic urchin]

How DARE YOU

[chrome acorn]

worth

[rustic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/me-watching-my-past-self-interstellar-meme-watching-past-gif-25439819

[acoustic osprey]

inception

[chrome acorn]

Interstellar

[acoustic osprey]

no, like inception!!!

[rustic urchin]

Stellarception

[acoustic osprey]

but also like interstellar!

[wanton delta]

Interception

[acoustic osprey]

intercept the isle lore

[wanton delta]

please lord

[acoustic osprey]

Dondi

[chrome acorn]

The Don

[rustic urchin]

The island is actually near a black hole making time work differently

Or actually no

[acoustic osprey]

wormhole time

[chrome acorn]

the isle IS a black hole

[wanton delta]

sure feels like it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-its-not-funny-laugh-serious-face-gif-14631253

[rustic urchin]

WE would be near the black hole, since one hour here is like a day in game

Time moves faster there

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-black-hole-h-hpeless-ness-gif-10287222

[rustic urchin]

The isle takes place in a location where time moves slower due to less gravity and/or speed conformed!?!!!!!!

We solved the lore

[acoustic osprey]

^

The Isle lore is actually just physics class

and a bit of Ancient Mythos class

[wanton delta]

ah so that's how the time business happens, was wondering where it all went

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!

[chrome acorn]

non sober thoughts about the isle channel

[acoustic osprey]

can't exist

[chrome acorn]

Already does

[acoustic osprey]

woah

[wanton delta]

ERRANT leaving and in the process perishing still has me mentally grappled

[acoustic osprey]

what if

what if we are ERRANT-291

What if us, the community, are in The Isle

like in old lore

ERRANT-291 was just someone who correctly guessed Isle's lore in Islecord
And is now "banned"/"deleted user"

[wanton delta]

[chrome acorn]

Errant was stan all along

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-mr-poopy-butt-hole-ooooh-weeee-gif-9826117

[acoustic osprey]

It was all a cover-up!

[chrome acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-in-tin-foil-hat-tin-foil-hat-laughing-lauch-conspiracy-gif-20017054

[wanton delta]

where's the ERRANT that enjoyed fatal cardiac arrest, like c'mon man

[acoustic osprey]

that's why

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-mcgill-im-not-crazy-i-am-not-crazy-better-call-saul-bcs-gif-25855903

[chrome acorn]

yet

[acoustic osprey]

oh no

[wanton delta]

don't suppose it'd be something as simple as surgically implanted capsule that injects you after breeching a certain point?

radiation still sounds plausible as well, since that's what I'm going on for the anti-hyper weapons

radiation is nasty if you get critically dosed

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[wanton delta]

I mean hey, rads can cause organ failure. This situation just requires a different type of application rather than "Giant One-Shot Anti-Hyper Gun"

Because then you'd just die from bleeding out at that point

[rustic urchin]

im sure theres something radioactive on that island

[acoustic osprey]

yes

who knows
Who knows what powers AE

As it seemed like Vis didn't want to tell us

[buoyant geode]

Geothermal power, calling it now

[latent axle]

i just want to blow a hypo up with helicopter mounted rockets

[gentle vessel]

With all the dams they have, I’m guessing some sort of hydro electric power

[outer verge]

None of the dams I have seen seem to have had any of the needed infra attached to them

They have more or less been just flat walls, which would lead me to believe that they are primarily for terraforming purposes

[gentle vessel]

well there is the massive one from the art, could house turbines

[wanton delta]

Maybe a combination of geothermal and hydro, heat used to make steam, steam makes power, recondensed into water and cycled again

[bleak flint]

Probaly dinos running on treadmills under atriums

[pseudo fable]

Rofl too tinfoil.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-jimmy-mcgil-saul-goodman-breaking-bad-hhm-gif-21887902

That's what they all say when they're covering up info!!

[rustic urchin]

Archiving this here I guess

[bold crater]

Don't drink the water
They put something in it t-to make you forget.

Those kinds of vibes

In all seriousness, that's kinda interesting if they really are purposely keeping em "uninformed" on some things

[rustic urchin]

I bet either they have them just dumbed down entirely, or, more sensibly, modified them to be more susceptible to following orders

I wonder if it’s something they can break out of or if it’s in their dna

Clone wars inhibitor chips 😎

[acoustic osprey]

Interesting

This isn't dystopian at all!

Not surprised they can do that, seeing as Neuros

[chrome acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[acoustic osprey]

It's all fun and games until you're banned for your knowledge of the Isle lore!!

[chrome acorn]

goes into cardiac arrest after learning too much lore

[acoustic osprey]

^

[bold crater]

I remember seeing that some chemical (oxytocin?) can make you more compliable, even to those you may not normally trust or something. Maybe AE did something like that.

[rustic urchin]

isnt oxytocin a happy chemical

[bold crater]

Yeeeeah but it generally calms you down as well and I'm like 72% sure it can make ye more compliant with stuff. Could be thinking of another thing though.

Alter the Gen2's brain chemicals

[rustic urchin]

makes sense, a happy person is an agreeable one

[gentle vessel]

Could be some sort of brainwashing also

[acoustic osprey]

Or just genetic tampering

(Neuros)

[gentle vessel]

I mean gene tampering only gets you so far with making a gen 2 do what you want

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna

[gentle vessel]

So it might be imo a case like the Star Wars clones, gene modded to listen to orders well, then conditioned afterwards to be your good little troopers

[gentle vessel]

I thought she was a gen 1 thing

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[gentle vessel]

Then why did you say echidna in regards to gen 2’s?

https://tenor.com/view/confusion-visible-confusion-surprise-weird-gif-24393623

[acoustic osprey]

intelligence

[rustic urchin]

echidna likely has some funky brain influence over lots of things

[chrome acorn]

Serotonin

Oxytocin is for women during childbirth

[wanton delta]

Echidna can manipulate all the fatty acids in your mind, or something of that semblance

[chrome acorn]

Well more like used to facilitate childbirth

[rustic urchin]

Ohhhhh

Well nevermind then DO NOT give gen2 that lol

[chrome acorn]

Which yknow echidna the mother

[wanton delta]

[chrome acorn]

Oxytocin is still a happy hormone though but it’s more associated with love where seratonin is like a mood stabilizer and dopamine is a reward then there’s endorphins that act like pain killers

But giving the Gen 2s or 1s oxytocin would likely result in a lot of….

Children

[wanton delta]

[rustic urchin]

Honestly our gen2s are probably infertile

Probably

[chrome acorn]

Yea but serotonin and maybe a mixture of some endorphins is probably the best bet if they’re being drugged by AE to be more agreeable or non rebellious ig

[maiden sundial]

Then why is Spiro and gateway somewhat abandoned? What happened to the scientists?

Maybe gen 2 or gen 1 figured it out

And basically broke out of servitude

Most likely echidna's doing

[acoustic osprey]

Well, it's likely that Gen 2s were made post incident

[maiden sundial]

So gen 1 basically did a rebellion across the testing islands. And they made gen 2 to study the dinosaurs and test their creations?

[acoustic osprey]

well

the whys for gen 2s is still unknown

[maiden sundial]

I mean gen 2 seems and probably is identical to humans

[acoustic osprey]

but that seems to be one of they goals

[maiden sundial]

Maybe Æ post incident realized that they played god and found that the species started an ecosystem

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bLQfn.gif

[acoustic osprey]

i believe they wanted an ecosystem of sorts

Otherwise, I'd imagine Gateway wouldn't have it's "free-range" style of sections (defined by the Hyper Fences)

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bSuq7.gif

[bleak flint]

Maybe it was all a dream

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mace-mace-windu-think-thinking-cap-thinking-gif-20527363

[acoustic osprey]

Good point

[acoustic osprey]

Albeit, AE probably know they're playing God. They likely still want to play God.

[pseudo fable]

Okay so I almost did something pretty parallel to that episode of Futurama where Bender has to get a compatibility upgrade years ago. The idea had some pretty good traction. Ultimately it did not stick. 😅

[acoustic osprey]

[pseudo fable]

You laugh, but I really liked it. A lot of other people really liked it. I eventually caved in to the, "Well everyone will get ultra buttmad because they won't understand the severity of the consequences because 'it's not real.'"

[bleak flint]

I dont think i watched that tv show

[maiden sundial]

Perhaps the dinosaurs were made for a reason we don't know yet. Probably medicinal. Yet they didn't know that the dinosaurs could form an ecosystem. And when they did. They decided to send people to study while also creating the Gen 2 to conduct tests and study them

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, that could've really played at the philosophical

[pseudo fable]

Don't lose hope.

[acoustic osprey]

Perhaps, at least upfront, for medicine/science

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-felicitations-feliciter-christophwaltz-gif-5034402

[pseudo fable]

||This idea honestly is just more like Clue, which I had no idea had "multiple endings" until I was a teenager. I strongly considered something like Clue's multiple endings in the past. Different conditions to produce a different result. It's been shot down every time, but it is still an exceptionally intrusive thought every time I put story to paper.||

[bleak flint]

There should be a new death screen

When you die you wake up in a hospital bed surrounded by your family

[wanton delta]

Surrounded by Larry's

[acoustic osprey]

Oh wow

[chrome acorn]

I think different endings for different factions could work

[acoustic osprey]

So like a more narrative version of chaos theory, lol

[acoustic osprey]

It would certainly be interesting

Would be hard, definately

I mean, you could have it where each island is a different "timeline"

[chrome acorn]

Oh yea that would be cool

[acoustic osprey]

But, it seems like that idea won't be the case

Just still pretty cool

[chrome acorn]

I still think it would be cool to have a single player horror game play out the events of any one of the islands collapses

[wanton delta]

[acoustic osprey]

Would it all have started at the same point (big event?) at time?

[acoustic osprey]

I would only imagine such events happening after everything everything is finished

As that sounds like years of work, especially for an indie team

[chrome acorn]

Yea

[acoustic osprey]

Heck, if they ever did that, I wouldn't mind auditioning

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-scratch-like-thats-ever-gonna-happen-book-gif-16284864

[pseudo fable]

... actually it's not farfetched whatsoever.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-its-not-funny-laugh-serious-face-gif-14631253

[nocturne cosmos]

lightclaw after possible lore is teased

[mint vault]

I'll have to watch this to get an idea of what is going on here

But the idea of a prequal, single player that delves into the hows and whys might be really cool to see

[rustic urchin]

is it time for me to watch futurama then

[pseudo fable]

I mean, look at what's being made. It's not just a game. It's a repository for any future game to borrow from.

[acoustic osprey]

No

[acoustic osprey]

Better be good! If done

[chrome acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-hot-sweat-sweaty-nervous-gif-14365774

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/beared-dragon-lizard-fidget-spinner-spinner-gif-15617519

[mellow solstice]

I love bearded dragons

[maiden sundial]

Same

[rain mortar]

Deep bearded dragon isle lore. The basis for mutations?

[blazing goblet]

Maybe, when they put the herrera in the game, they also put the hypsi in its climbing mechanics

Since they are doing the blacksmith climb, I could also do the hypsi climb

the hypsi needs to climb trees, it is a quick meal for any carnivore

[icy onyx]

Characterization
The beipiaosaurus is the first omnivore and true semi-aquatic being brought to The Isle. While more vulnerable on land during the day when browsing through vegetation for food, it is swift and sleek in water. Often sharing habitats with the well renowned deinosuchus, such a dangerous upbringing has made the beipiaosaurus a rather aggressive and tempermental animal in its own right. The beipiaosaurus sports long slashing claws on each hand and is particularly bad-tempered. Due to its small stature and lacking the speed of larger land dwelling animals, it prefers environments nearest to water so it can make a quick getaway.

Mobility
Though faster on land than the previous generation, the beipiaosaurus is still outpaced on land by most creatures. However, in the water its agility is unmatched. It also has the astonishing ability to breach. The beipiaosaurus is capable of traversing long distances by land but typically prefers to travel by or alongside waterways to cut through more perilous terrain.

Feeding Habits
During the day you can find the beipiaosaurus in or near water. While predominantly herbivorous, this is an opportunistic animal and will take advantage of its aquatic environment to feed on crabs, fish, frogs and other small animals. While it is possible to find them foraging on land during the day, the beipiaosaurus typically prefers foraging on land at night. More vulnerable to its predator deinosuchus as the sun sets, the beipiaosaurus uses the cover of darkness to venture farther away from water to more safely feed on vegetation.

Constitution
While still highly susceptible to predation, the beipiaosaurus is generally equipped to deal with most situations should it remain wary. They have an above average ability to seal their wounds, particularly in water. Combining this with their sharp claws and adaptability makes them heartier than they may first appear.

Noteworthy Characteristics
The beipiaosaurus is bouyant. When not attempting to move in the water, the animal quickly floats back to the surface. To counteract its bouyancy the beipiaosaurus uses its clawed hands to grip and "walk" along the bottom of river beds and other aquatic locations. Utilizing these traits to their advantage, they can leap out of the water with surprising height and velocity.

• Dondi #isle-phase-three

Time to start analysing....

Also beat the lightclaw to it mwahaha

Average unhelpful document

"Though faster on land than the previous generation" Generations are being tracked by AE??

How long have Beipiaosaurus specifically been bred for

[sonic rampart]

I think that might be the version number

Cera was 0.1.2, beipi is 0.1.1

Or it's for the sheet itself

[icy onyx]

Reposting this for a comparison

[icy onyx]

Why circle the 90kg?

because its funny

[blazing goblet]

what does it say in "notes"?

[icy onyx]

I am not typing that all out :)

[icy onyx]

Ok lol

[outer verge]

Whats the chinese character btw?

[icy onyx]

what Chinese character?

[outer verge]


This one

[maiden sundial]

I believe it is G

[rustic urchin]

Generations may refer to isle beipi vs irl beipi

Since the real animal probably wasn’t that fast

[bold crater]

Real Beip is just Theri lite

[outer verge]

For whatever reason the same character is in several of the phase 3 announcements

[runic shuttle]

Ah, that doesn't show for me on my PC.
But I think I had the same on my phone before from Dondis messages on the ST-server

Does it look like that ? Might just be a phone-buggy thing

[outer verge]

Nah

Could be a phone thing for sure tho

[icy onyx]

What's the story of the isle and why do we found human structures

Was it a jurrasic park setuation

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

[acoustic osprey]

No but where?

[acoustic osprey]

Wonder how many other Doc Temps there are

And this sounds intriguing

Wondering if Don still wants GUTS as a way to connect caves with human tunnels
With or without those coastal caves

[chrome acorn]

The cera sheet is also DOC TEMP 001

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

doc temp 001 being almost certainly a "glance sheet"

I'm presume there are many others for dinosaurs for the scientists and others

Wonder if there are any doc templates for other things

[chrome acorn]

glance sheet template

[acoustic osprey]

strains and guns (security weapons)

[acoustic osprey]

No!!!!

[chrome acorn]

DOC TEMP 002 what could it be

[acoustic osprey]

Definately something

I do hope we get more! Seeing as it's definitely intriguing

[wanton delta]

If it's numbered off of frequency of use, dinosaurs being most frequent vs something perhaps less so like a tribal etc, then it could have the 002 designated to it possibly

[acoustic osprey]

Most likely

But I'm presuming there will be more than just the two

Being doc temp 001

And not 1 or 01

Likely for minor things
Like medicinal reports for dinosaurs etc
Scientist reports

[chrome acorn]

Incident reports

[acoustic osprey]

yes

Although there is no reference to doc templates for it

sadly

[chrome acorn]

hmm

maybe it was the first incident

and they didn’t have a template for it yet

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe
Although it doesn't really fit a "template"

[chrome acorn]

True

[acoustic osprey]

Being just a "Incident Summary"

I mean hey

Anything with the word "report" on it has the chance of having a doc template

[chrome acorn]

the actual report would have more info than just the summary no?

[acoustic osprey]

for the autopsy?

or a possible 291 report?

[chrome acorn]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

hm

Probably no proper report for it
Unless there is and they didn't want to refer to it in the footnotes

[chrome acorn]

I wonder where/who all these glance sheets and incident summary’s get sent too

[acoustic osprey]

and when they were done

[chrome acorn]

Being on paper suggest 80s-90s

But who knows

[acoustic osprey]

Better to say pre-incident
Seeing as who knows when this all happened in thesedays

[chrome acorn]

28th century!

or whatever that weird date was

[acoustic osprey]

2172

[chrome acorn]

ah switched the 1 and 7 in my mind

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[chrome acorn]

Could 2172 just be when everything was declassified? ( could still just be random irrelevant number )

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

It could just be a fake number/placeholder to confuse
Despite it's multiple references in the same sheet (All hidden)

Noting that it also referred to the day after as well for one of them

[wanton delta]

Maybe severity could pertain to the doc numbers, like how the incident report was labeled a 2, whereas the glance sheets that we've seen have been 0?

[acoustic osprey]

Was the incident report labeled as 2?

[wanton delta]

Referring to ERRANT-291, apologies.
Brain's a bit tired atm

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows why he's called that honestly

both in terms of errant and 291

erring or straying from the accepted course or standards.

This still alluding, for me, to the possibility of him being either a worker or Gen 1

Maybe that his designation was also 291?

[wanton delta]

worker made more sense to me

[acoustic osprey]

Same

[chrome acorn]

He’s a Gen 1 worker

[acoustic osprey]

Unless, somehow, he was imitating a worker
Which wouldn't make sense? Unless Tissos can do that now

[wanton delta]

I just saw three digits and both ended in 1 so I threw an idea out there

[gentle vessel]

He could be some poor intern

[chrome acorn]

Yea a lost intern

[gentle vessel]

“You, Timmy”

“Yes boss?”

“Go get data on the wild life or your intern ship is canceled”

[chrome acorn]

First day

heart attack

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1081400693384036422/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png
Doesn't really explain this much

291 taking it
and likely annotating it

(LLLRFL, etc)

[chrome acorn]

Do you think ERRANT made the map or was given it

[wanton delta]

If it's "declassified" in a sense, where this is what released and they took precautions to assure nothing super useful could be gained, I'd associate the number more with the report rather than ERRANT

[acoustic osprey]

It would not make sense for him to have made it

[chrome acorn]

AE seems to have a thing for glance documents

[acoustic osprey]

He likely either stole it or was given it

[wanton delta]

Where you can get say for example, ERRANT-231(purely fiction for the example) and it would still not refer to the individual, rather the document

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe
Have to see more on how they classify things

As it's quite random

But we know they usually space their classification out in some way

But it's weird

space for this

[wanton delta]

Case 291
Regards ERRANT

or
Case 231 (again fiction for the example)
Regards ERRANT

I see it mostly as to make it non repetitive honestly, but it works with file cases as well

[acoustic osprey]

then this

same with this

[wanton delta]

[chrome acorn]

He was cut into 3 pieces

No wait 5!

Monsters

In all seriousness though I think the letters just indicate different files on the individual

[wanton delta]

Bit weird to organize with the alphabet, unless they intend to be A, A1, A2 etc

[chrome acorn]

File A having video evidence

B and C maybe physical evidence

[wanton delta]

Back to the three digits before I get too off track

ER-291
DT-001
I'm gonna throw out ideas to see if some of them make sense
First digit refers to the type of case, in this situation we have 0 and 2.
0 refers to documentation on the Isle's specimens, specifically the dinosaurs afaik
2 refers to documentation on an incident

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[wanton delta]

0 being What is, 1 being unknown, and 2 being what was?

Who knows, probably goes up to 4 or 5

Second digit refers to severity/clearance permission, where we have 0 and 9.
0 needs little to no clearance to view, as it's general information on a specimen.
9 needs high clearance as it's an in depth report on a (likely) Æ worker suffering death, with a witness report, various counts of evidence, and detailed locations.
(Again, just throwing ideas out there for whoever may read this)

Which leaves the third digit, both of which are 1.
It's a similarity between the two, if anything, so whatever that may be is what 1 is

[tender shard]

What is "ERRANT"?

[acoustic osprey]

ERRANT as in the person? (291)?
Or as in the word and it's meaning in The Isle?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, I could there is some sort of (number) classification system

As it's really just a few numbers here and there at the moment

[tender shard]

nevermind i figured it out

[acoustic osprey]

ah lol

[icy onyx]

What's the story

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-its-not-funny-laugh-serious-face-gif-14631253

[acoustic osprey]

Here is pretty much the basics

AE (Apollo Engineering) is a bio-engineering company
AE made dinosaurs. AE also made mutated (strained) dinosaurs.
This took place all around the 90s (approximate)

AE also made mutated humans
- When? Who knows, but we can presume during AE's "Prime" in the 90s (?)
- These humans are known as "Tribals"/Cannibals/Generation One

Tribals slowly went crazy and mad per cycle

Sometime later, around current modern times, AE makes Generation Two
- Generation Two are also known as "Mercs" ||just to clarify, they aren't mercenaries any longer||/Humans
There is soo much more. But some of it is speculative canon and some of it is unconfirmed canon (lore from Legacy that we don't know will be in Evrima)

[icy onyx]

Thank you

So they just made dinosaurs and put them in the wild

[acoustic osprey]

Well, in a confined space
likely high regulated by AE

[icy onyx]

So if it's a confined space then it's either a island or one big cage

[acoustic osprey]

Likely a few fenced enclosures

but

[icy onyx]

Then in game has anyone seen the border

[acoustic osprey]

not on current map, but yes on new map (fences)

[icy onyx]

But wait

Couldn't the flying dinosaurs get out at any time

And over the Frence

[acoustic osprey]

depends

there are aviaries

But, who knows what AE has done genetically with the habits of these creatures

[icy onyx]

If there's aviaries then the bird escapes