isle-lore-theories

[maiden sundial]

Basically creates life based off of real animals

[stuck flame]

So..no dinosaurs?

[maiden sundial]

Eh more or less. They're dinosaur based creatures. Not necessarily dinosaurs. Then there are the strains like hypoendocrine. And neuro

[stuck flame]

And..cannibals? Lol

[maiden sundial]

Cannibals are more human based obviously. Then there is gen 2. Which is surprisingly near identical to humans

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

[maiden sundial]

Eh?

[acoustic osprey]

Cannibal (Gen 1) made by AE

Eyeless (not official name and mistaken as The Cannibals) likely made by either AE or Replicator

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know the true extent of what it has done

[sharp knoll]

Gen 2 is more perfect human then basic human

[acoustic osprey]

^

[maiden sundial]

Oh I see

[stuck flame]

Super humans then

[icy onyx]

Are AE and the Replicator connected to each other? Can't remember if they were in the past or not

[sharp knoll]

Not really

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no
Depends

[maiden sundial]

Or rather just "humans" who have been made perfect

[acoustic osprey]

Perfect humans

[stuck flame]

How a human can be perfect lol

[maiden sundial]

Humans being in quotations

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

Like Kratos in Greek Mythos

The embodiment of Strength

[maiden sundial]

Basically take all the good things about humans and jump them to 11. And get rid of all the bad things

[acoustic osprey]

A semi-God

Gen 2s aren't all mighty
But more than meer mortals

[maiden sundial]

Like a space marine but less big

More like a Gen 2 spartan from halo

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

But made together like SW Clones

All the same age

[maiden sundial]

But why have them on an island with dinosaurs. Either A. they are doing things ark style. Or B. They escaped

[acoustic osprey]

I presume AE sent them there

[maiden sundial]

For what reason? Exterminate the dinosaurs? Prove themselves?

[acoustic osprey]

Likely to prove they are perfect

I don't believe to kill dinos

[maiden sundial]

So my ARK theory may just be correct

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[stuck flame]

Maybe theres more in the gateway map idk

I dont think AE is using the assets as weapons tho..actually what AE wants lol

[fringe marsh]

A subject doesn't mean a creation.

Just would be someone you're testing.

[acoustic osprey]

More or less

If they have created organisms, I don't think any not for the dinos

[fringe marsh]

I mean, fair. Just again- why?

[stuck flame]

Play god? Create the ultimate life form? lol

[fringe marsh]

Feels weak narratively speaking. "Just felt like it."

[acoustic osprey]

Why what?

Make dinos?

[fringe marsh]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

I can't give you a solid answer because I'm not Dondi obviously

But the dinos just being there doesn't make sense.
Sure, Replicator. But then how did that come to play?

Unless you play the "Alien card"

[stuck flame]

Aliens lol

[acoustic osprey]

Which I've seen pop up here before

[fringe marsh]

I imagine the replicator is an advanced AI made by AE that is supposed to allow them to (as effortlessly as possible) make genetic critters.

[stuck flame]

Why aliens want ressurect dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

Which is what I'm presuming

[acoustic osprey]

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-i-liked-it-i-was-good-at-it-gif-23089818

[fringe marsh]

In my headcannon it would be used by AE to make an attempt of a "perfected human." This backfires and the Neurotrenic Mastermind takes it over and uses it to bring upon dinosaurs n stuff.

[stuck flame]

Ah i just remembered sometthing, which year is in the game universe?

[acoustic osprey]

Apparently something in 2171

[fringe marsh]

WHAT

[acoustic osprey]

Sorry, 2172

[stuck flame]

WTF

[acoustic osprey]

Please remember that this is "Earth (?)"

[fringe marsh]

The gen 2 using a firearm from 192 years ago.

[acoustic osprey]

Or the firearm was made during the 2170s

This can be an alternative earth

[fringe marsh]

Spas-12 was made in the 1970's.

[acoustic osprey]

Or 2170s for The Isle

[stuck flame]

Humanity took 192 years to make weapons lol

[acoustic osprey]

If you get what I mean

[fringe marsh]

Stopped production in 2000

[acoustic osprey]

Earth (?)

[stuck flame]

Earth 2

[fringe marsh]

Sounds ARK-like.

[stuck flame]

Alternative timelines get it

Tech looks old asf in 2172

[acoustic osprey]

Or their 80s/90s were during 2170s

[fringe marsh]

Takes place in 2172 but they used time travel.

[acoustic osprey]

Or not

We lack information

[fringe marsh]

Where does this date come from

[acoustic osprey]

Upping brightness in the 291 document

Obviously grain and artefacts exist

[stuck flame]

This earth timeline is strange..something went wrong lmao

And we dont even know how the world looks like beyond the isle

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[icy onyx]

Excuse me, but are dinosaurs the result of laboratory experiments?

[acoustic osprey]

Likely

[fair heath]

ok, dont quote me on this, but i think big gorillas are gonna enter the game one day

like an ai to fight tribals

[toxic zinc]

That would be cool especially as like a boar in the trees, and herreras could eat them

[fair heath]

yuppers

[bleak crystal]

Likely some generic jurassic World stuff.
Always the same when humans with guns get put in the same World as dinos.

[icy onyx]

It would be a bit trivial, right?

[acoustic osprey]

Excluding that their point isn't "human with gun"

[fair heath]

guys, i have a feeling, that the TRIBALS are actually going to be able to like, use utahs as like, protection dogs, and are also gonna be able to use other dinos, like mono, to scout out other things

[plucky sundial]

No mixpacking please

I would really dislike this

[fair heath]

but, tribal

[plucky sundial]

Just give em a club and make em fight omnis, but not team up with them

[fair heath]

but tame

[plucky sundial]

But, balance of game

[fair heath]

but, diversity

tribe vs tribe, with dinosaurs

[plucky sundial]

But, ark

[fair heath]

agreed

but, i think it'd be cool for tribes to like, tame and capture dinosaurs

maybe not tame, but, forcefully make them friends

the raptors and stuff can easily decide to turn on them, it'd just be a rough ride

[strange shell]

Yes but only zombified ones

[fair heath]

zombified dinos?

[short falcon]

When is Jimmy canon

[strange shell]

Like voodoo zombies
I don't think that would be too far-fetched either in terms of lore or gameplay

[fair heath]

so, the tribals could maybe kill them with some weird voodoo stuff? and they'd get resurrected as zombies or smt?

reminds me of drinking the black liquid in primal...

[strange shell]

Idk I just said that because I made an old suggestion about this in the general feedback channel, I think that'd be the best way to handle taming without it being frustrating or unfair for any of the parties involved

[fair heath]

fair enough, but maybe for taming larger creatures could be more dangerous, and require you to like, actually get maybe tranqs and netting, like actually tactically make traps

[strange shell]

Yeah
Not certain that's the right channel to talk about this tho

[fair heath]

agreed

[acoustic osprey]

Was about to say
No zombies

[acoustic osprey]

Don't forget Tribals are still Cannibals

[fair heath]

yes

[maiden sundial]

Will you do it again goofy

[acoustic osprey]

Likely yes

[fair heath]

what

[zinc marsh]

Anyone know if the logo on the humans shoulders means anything or is it just design?

[proud minnow]

Someones been wstching primal

Primal was a great show, so we thinking the tribals become cannibals?

[strange shell]

Not yet

[icy onyx]

uhHh, anything interesting happen lore wise in the 8 day mute I had here

[tender shard]

What about the quetzal drone? It feels like it doesn't fit into the lore so much that everybody try to forgot him lmao

[light flare]

What makes you say that? If they can print off living things why not bionics?

[acoustic osprey]

I don't find a drone out of place

Albeit, just need a good excuse for "why not a camera"

Because clearly, AE have been using cameras still

They might be using the drone quetz in more "recent" times but likely for more niche areas

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-adventure-scientists-ham-night-gif-26267846

(nothing special)

[bold crater]

Drone Quetzal makes me think perhaps they want a way to observe stuff out in the wild without being too suspicious. If you send a regular lil drone out there, this could interfere with studying wildlife as things may realize "hmm, this thing doesn't smell like other stuff and makes weird sounds, I don't like it!" and either run away or worse, destroy it.

But base said drone on an existing animal and other fauna may treat as normal, allowing a more natural form of observation.

[acoustic osprey]

Albeit, they do have observational cameras out there already in use

So I'm not too sure

I'm guessing drone quetz is more of a "hidden in plain sight for more harder scenarios"

[bold crater]

Well those are stationary. Robo-Quetz may be more for mobile observation of stuff.

[acoustic osprey]

Like, I'm guessing they don't have every location hooked up with a camera

[bold crater]

Kinda wanna call it D-Quetz 😛

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[severe plinth]

is the hypo colossus cannon?

[acoustic osprey]

Hyper Colossus is still canon

[severe plinth]

My unsupported theory is that AE is trying to make the perfect human via the strands, and the hypo colossus and two others that represent the three strands are failed prototypes made by trying to reach this goal. AE made dinosaurs to see how well the replicator can make organisms accurately from long periods of time ago. and the strands date back to the time of single cells, the strands where a virus that forced things to evolve but since the replicator couldn't replicate it perfectly the effect became much more severe, causing dinosaurs to rapidly evolve, hence why all strands of dinosaurs have unreasonable metabolism. [TLDR: AE made dinosaurs to test the limit of the replicator and since it wasn't accurate the strands, which were a virus, were also not accurate. all in an attempt to become perfect.] Sorry for the bad English, not my second language though so I have no excuse.

[acoustic osprey]

Sounds nice

[severe plinth]

thanks lol

[tender shard]

Given that the quetzal is a nightmare for all small animals up to the raptor, it would be much more wary of it than a normal drone.

[severe plinth]

while in the middle of the night I remembered viruses don't make evolution, they cause it so the effect could not become more severe the virus could only be extremely dangerous

[regal sundial]

After watching Anthomnia's video I looked back in my lore folder for The Isle and found a fun text file I made years ago that sorta comes off as incomprehensible ramblings with it being so long since I've looked into this stuff

[acoustic osprey]

Legacy, don't worry

[regal sundial]

Lot of the old information can be used to educate theories on whatever the story is now though

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

If you want to go through some here, I wont mind

Nothing real interesting has occurred for the past week or two here

[regal sundial]

Uhh I can just share the file if you would like, relatively small. iirc I made it when going back through the old ARG stream stuff dondi did

And the olympus transmitter

Also I do not know if it has been mentioned yet

In regards to that site map photo

But there are twelve points of interest

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

excluding the bottom point and the three connected below it

[regal sundial]

Which is of some significance

[acoustic osprey]

To which I'm presuming is likely linked/is Tartarus

[regal sundial]

Likely

[acoustic osprey]

If you're referring to Network theory, it's a good chance that is Tartarus

broken lines being going down in altitude

However, there is no key on the diagram

[regal sundial]

Well I just meant the twelve thing because there are twelve olypmian gods

[acoustic osprey]

So 🤷‍♂️
We still have to see

[regal sundial]

And all of the Apollo Engineering stuff is heavily inspired by greek mythology

[acoustic osprey]

could be, but who is the God of Lodging

[acoustic osprey]

Yep

However, the graph's arrangement is very similar to the Jewish Tree of life

forgot the actual name.

[regal sundial]

Yes it is also similar to that

[acoustic osprey]

Still hope it's just a neat reference

And nothing more

[regal sundial]

Only noticed because Evangelion lol

[acoustic osprey]

I'd prefer AE not link with any other mythos/faith

[regal sundial]

Also oh hey look

It's Contingency

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[regal sundial]

Also known as Atrium C

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Preferably, I do hope the Aviaries aren't referred to Atriums

Unless AE's post "whatever happened and now we're back" is more Roman than Greek

[regal sundial]

Also! At some point in the past there was association between phase 3 and Alponse the hyper(?) quetz so we may be seeing more quetz content in phase 3 if the cyber/mechanical quetz concept art is any indication as well

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, the four phases

[regal sundial]

Yeesss

[acoustic osprey]

I, however, doubt the phases are linked with that old lore

Albeit, we did see the Drone Quetz

[regal sundial]

Presumably four will be when they come back around to strains being a thing in gameplay

Hence why it was called hades

Due to him ruling over the underworld and what not

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus 🧑‍🚀

[regal sundial]

I believe the magna T. rex was also held in an atrium

[acoustic osprey]

Magna is gone

alongside Phoenix Int. (Primal carnage) connections

[regal sundial]

Also if my memory holds the magna moniker was the AE nomenclature for referring to Phoenix's versions of dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Thanks to Opt. Inferno

[regal sundial]

Honestly it felt like the magna thing just over-complicated the different strains (both with the mutagenic stuff and just genetic strains) unnecessarily anyhow

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, so I'm glad they're gone

Magnas were just very plain

And now they're being replaced with "O"
Hopefully, better and unique

[regal sundial]

The omni stuff yeah

[acoustic osprey]

not omni

Omni is likely it's own thing

But no confirmation on what Omni and O is

[regal sundial]

Presumably that is where they'll lump the overly jurassic park inspired stuff

To get some more original and realistic models in

[acoustic osprey]

With omni? Probably no, but maybe

but with O? No

[regal sundial]

Also I just noticed something that nagged at me as soon as I saw that gateway leak

[acoustic osprey]

the map leak is old and outdated though, so be cautious

[regal sundial]

This. The north central area is VERY similar to V3

[acoustic osprey]

kinda

it's a lot more hilly

[regal sundial]

The shape of that bay is very similar, and the aviary is in a very similar location. Does look to be hillier though

[acoustic osprey]

However, I've tried it and eh.
Doesn't really have that feel to V3 with the bay

Definitely similar shape though

[regal sundial]

Mm, just an interesting, seemingly deliberate callback

Although the clouds obscure the exact shape of it

is the EIP and thousand life contract stuff still incorporated?

[acoustic osprey]

eh

Dasharkmasta
“Sacrifice stuff to replicator, replicator rewards you, sacrifice your body to replicator, come back better/stronger

Thousand life contract and all”

Dondi
“Yes, yes, no, yes.

No.”

Thousand Life Contract? Depends

EIP? No

nothing about 'em

[regal sundial]

My interpretation of the thousand life contract and EIPs was that the machine intelligence running the facilities, the replicator, took over and digitized the consciousnesses of the facility staff and through vague means put them in dinosaurs without any conscious memory of who or what they were to use that processing problem solving power of a human mind to artificially accelerate the adaptive evolutionary process of the dinosaurs to more rapidly shape them to whatever the computer's design was

[acoustic osprey]

(hopefully EIPs don't exist anymore)

[regal sundial]

And that the general plot from the players perspective would be there beginning to be some bleed over from past dinosaur lives, and eventually becoming conscious of your previous life as a human and eventually laboring to break from the dinosaur samsara

Once more perhaps having a correlation to greek mythology with the titan war?

I was throwing a lot of ideas around back then.

@acoustic osprey Think that's a bit too out there?

Obviously all just going off of themes and tone rather than anything directly concrete by that point but

[acoustic osprey]

I'd work 100% with Legacy

[regal sundial]

Not so much now though?

What is the current working theory? If there is one.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-saul-goodman-slippin-jimmy-bob-odenkirk-kim-wexler-gif-18604576

[regal sundial]

👀

Take that as there not being one then at the moment

lol

[acoustic osprey]

Nothing leading

[regal sundial]

I'm assuming for the moment gateway is content creators and core Q/A people only at the moment?

[acoustic osprey]

Any CC in Stress Test and other Stress Testers

[regal sundial]

Mmm

Actually has me interested in the game again

Tickling that deeper story itch

[acoustic osprey]

Hopefully

[regal sundial]

The structures and stuff in videos and all these mysterious documents coming out in the discord at least seem to point that way

How well has the map been explored would you say?

[acoustic osprey]

For Gameplay, it's fine- pretty good and better than Spiro

with any lore, because a lot of buildings have been disabled and stuff, nothing yet.

only papers in-game, despite the papers in the garbage bins, are lorem ipsum

[regal sundial]

Yeah saw that in Anth's video

Is it a cordoned off smaller area or a full island?

[acoustic osprey]

Anth video ❎

[acoustic osprey]

Whole island

[regal sundial]

Not subbed, just came up in my feed lol

[acoustic osprey]

Lightclaw Gen 2 video ✅

[acoustic osprey]

Whole island and the islands are accessible

[regal sundial]

Don't really like the clickbait format he does personally, even if it's ironic or whatever. It's just he's usually the one that gets first wind of new developments

Are the smaller ones from that picture still there then I assume?

[acoustic osprey]

The smaller island on the bottom right (Britain) has a GUTS tunnel

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[regal sundial]

Mmm, GUTS is the monorail?

[acoustic osprey]

GUTS =/= Monorail
Monorail = GUTS

[regal sundial]

Right, I get you.

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[regal sundial]

People figured out what the acronym is? Gateway(?) (something) Transit System?

[acoustic osprey]

There is no official acronym

but Don said it's unofficially "Generic Underground Transport System"

[regal sundial]

Presumably a gaff

Is there only a single dome or multiple?

[acoustic osprey]

multiple

[acoustic osprey]

gaff?

[regal sundial]

Like he was joking

[acoustic osprey]

Ah, no. I don't think so

[regal sundial]

Ah right

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe.

[regal sundial]

That iceberg in your stress test gateway stream

lol

[acoustic osprey]

old but gold

[regal sundial]

Did they ever clearly give an idea of what the Matriarch, Colossus, Echidna or Reaper were?

[acoustic osprey]

nope

[regal sundial]

I remember tapwing art of monsters looking like a MUTO, the king titan from ARK sorta and a couple others

[acoustic osprey]

Some of her unofficial stuff might come honestly

looking at Drone Quetz

[regal sundial]

It would certainly be interesting to see

Would quite enjoy playable quetz (or another large azhdarchid) and a proper feathery Utah or Dakota raptor

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[dry bobcat]

aye

[regal sundial]

Aye

[dry bobcat]

Aye

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-tuco-salamanca-we-tried-to-poison-you-stare-gif-21106897

[icy onyx]

Any new topics?

[slow delta]

none

[acoustic osprey]

No

Nothing really
Just a few theories

I'll make sure to bloat it out if there is one

[toxic zinc]

Is there any confirmation on where gateway is located if it was on a map? Since there will be Brazil nuts and jackfruit I assume somewhere in the pacific close to the equator because it is a hot climate

Both may have been brought over by the tribals if Æ didn’t create them

[fluid tendon]

Teonontosaurus

[cinder shoal]

AE also brought the ai animals we have, so it wouldn’t be surprising to see them bringing plants too.

[acoustic osprey]

Earth (?)

[toxic zinc]

Yes assuming that it is on earth

[acoustic osprey]

Earth (?)

[acoustic osprey]

There is a botany section in the AE abstract diagram

So I don't see why not

[sturdy trout]

Oh yeah people, if K15 is like a map coordinate for what I'm assuming is Gateway where there's some sort of facility, what's G.U.T.S?

[acoustic osprey]

Transport system

[sturdy trout]

Ohhhh, thanks mate

[barren nimbus]

anyone seen this before, its making for weird sounds. -56,892.156, -227,176.625, -30,485.396

10m from it, looks like an old pond and making the same sound. -64,851.199, -230,303.484, -29,412.066

[flint bolt]

Bubble cave.

[acoustic osprey]

Not loading
But I'm presuming the tar cave

[calm axle]

its old

its been here for an long time

when you go admin mode and go in them its an cave with tribal markings

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

Albeit, don't see tar coming into the game properly any time soon

[bold crater]

Tar is one of those things that can either be kinda cool or an absolute mistake.

......I wonder if we could gather tar as humans

Maybe as fuel....can't it be processed into fuel or something?

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as it fits in the category of destructive environment, which we don't have. It would feel really interesting to have

But damn annoying to die to with lag

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[bold crater]

That actually sounds really cool as a human building; a tar-extraction plant. Nothing super fancy, just an outpost with some pumps that you could fix and get "easy" fuel from.

But it might s m e l l

I just hope for bases (most of them at least) to have special traits/functions

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[bold crater]

ESPECIALLY if some are interconnected.

"We found the botany sector! We can grow food! But wait, we need to fix the water systems to get it working. Better go down to the sewers "

[mystic rivet]

That’s where rugops comes in

[rapid chasm]

deinosuchus

[white pecan]

hey, can anyone tell me the name of the main company(?) / organization(?) within the isle's lore?

is there one?

just curious

[bold crater]

Apollo Engineering is the name

[white pecan]

thanks :D

[bold crater]

👍

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo Engineering

Medical Bio-engineering company

[light lichen]

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-better-call-saul-season6-how-reunion-kim-wexler-gif-25762815

[long onyx]

roaaaar

[icy onyx]

Tracks 7,8 and 9 all have the following morse code:

...---... : SOS
-... : B
...---... : SOS

B ( Hades Entry ) is offline, is track 7,8 and 9 supposed to communicate to us? A last call from Hades Entry? A breach? 12/7 a signifcant date since a certain event? Has this been brought up before because if not, could it mean something? LLLRFL and 12/7 have been brought up before but has anybody made the connection with Hades being offline entry and Track 7's morse code? What caused Hades to go offline? And was the morse code transmission even from a human? Was Hades the last entrance able to release a distress signal before also being shut off along with the other entrances?

@acoustic osprey what do you think since you seem like the person to know the ins and outs of the lore best

[runic shuttle]

Maybe still asleep o:

I think it's like 8am or so for him

[icy onyx]

sadness

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
B and SOS

Also I think the offline is for Olympus Transmitter

[icy onyx]

oh true, but something happened to Hades, Zeus and Poseidon

but has the connection with track 7,8 and 9's morse code been linked to Hades

[acoustic osprey]

I've guessed be tried entering them

[acoustic osprey]

No

[icy onyx]

i was rlly hoping for dondi to appear

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-mandalorian-laugh-cry-gif-21495683

Maybe one day here

But I presume most of the topics aren't interesting enough

[icy onyx]

Sadge

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

[rustic urchin]

waiting to get a confirmation of where the island chain is thats what i want to know most

[acoustic osprey]

In our hearts

[rustic halo]

Earth(?)

[acoustic osprey]

^

[rapid chasm]

judging from the trees, its tropical so probably in the pacific

[acoustic osprey]

Or in the Philippines

Well, same thing I guess

[rustic urchin]

im guessing pacific over atlantic due to its more remote nature

doubt it being in the carribean or something lol

might be west of SA

[acoustic osprey]

Likely Mid West/Northern South America if Isla Spiro can play as a possible indication of where AE's could resolve in

[rustic urchin]

do we know where spiro is?

tbh im kinda guessing west of costa rica just because i can totally imagine our island chain being more or less right where nublar was lol

[acoustic osprey]

Las Cinco Muertes

[acoustic osprey]

Possibility of it being in a South American/Central American Island

[rustic urchin]

makes the most sense so far

[acoustic osprey]

or even a Filipino island

Never forget Earth (?)

[rustic urchin]

the ark

[empty wolf]

it could be somewhere near south america like a island or so possibly

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[empty wolf]

the isle takes place in the future right?

[acoustic osprey]

Earth (?)

so who knows anymore

[icy onyx]

i think its safe to say its earth, just by looking at the environment and the fact earth's moon exists

[acoustic osprey]

a moon

[rustic halo]

the isle is an Ark and the replicator is it’s overseer real

[gentle vessel]

Or it’s just an alternate earth to ours

Basically the same but tweaked

[crisp cedar]

Wow

[icy onyx]

the devs said that it took place in our current years but i think that was back in? 2015-2018? + recode changed lots of stuff so this info is probs outdated

[acoustic osprey]

Aerth

[acoustic osprey]

2172

[icy onyx]

they confirmed that?

huh, never saw that info anywhere

[acoustic osprey]

Not confirmed

But found on the recent phase 3 documents

[icy onyx]

oo, scrolling up to find it rn

[acoustic osprey]

So it's a believe it untill we get more incident reports

[icy onyx]

mhm, ight then

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[icy onyx]

I was really hoping for more people to take an interest in this icl

[mystic rivet]

Cool

I’m not much of a lore person myself but I come in here every now and again

[runic shuttle]

same

[acoustic osprey]

I think, for the most part, is that it's both hard to presume if the user was talking about Hades itself
However, it's a good guess

But I don't think the markings and the "Offline?" statement to be in correlation to it

But more so ERRANT-291's journey

at least either he observed both A, B and C being inaccessible or he went to them

however, it seems he was talking about Olympus Transmitter being offline

[icy summit]

im new to the community, what do you guys think happened?

[acoustic osprey]

definitely something

[icy summit]

i agree

[acoustic osprey]

But specifically? Can't say
But we can presume AE (Apollo Engineering) likely screwed stuff up

Likely a collaboration with the Strains.

Something happened.
Maybe even Replicator becoming more sentient

[sturdy trout]

So the replicator is like the thing that AE made that makes dinosaurs and also gen 1's and 2's but it turned sentient and went rogue?

[acoustic osprey]

Likely

There's a lot to guess about what happened

We can guess something happened due to the large amount of "weathered buildings" just left on the islands- especially seen in the concept art

And not the old Legacy concept art
But new ones as well

[sturdy trout]

Interesting

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, quite so

[tranquil imp]

The last place were dinosaurs remain.

Humanoid Natives

[runic shuttle]

oh wait

wrong channel >.<

[toxic kelp]

HAAHAHAHHAA

[acoustic osprey]

Native to an extent

I wouldn't call them natives anymore, compared to old lore

[acoustic osprey]

forgot to add the one thing that Don has actually said about proper lore from Sept

Has been added into Doc

I think it's quite fascinating to include the behavioural aspects of the creatures

And I'm cleaning it up a bit (the doc)

Just so it doesn't feel empty in areas and jam packed in other areas

no white space

Also need to put in I12 now

[outer owl]

When you first arrive you're completely fine, slowly you start having vision thingies and hand twitching;

Is this because of the effect of the island?

[acoustic osprey]

Which part is this from

[outer owl]

I uhm don't know? I'm talking about first being a patient then starting to get those blue vision things and hand twitching as you walk

and as you stand

[acoustic osprey]

I'm unsure of what the blue vision things are

[outer owl]

One moment I might be able to catch it on camera

[acoustic osprey]

Is this in-game whilst playing as a Gen 2 in The Isle?

[outer owl]

I believe so?

[acoustic osprey]

As you sure this is about The Isle or not the Roblox game?

[outer owl]

Right the isle itself

[acoustic osprey]

Unless you're talking about the giant blue force field wall in Spiro

[outer owl]

hm maybe I'm just strange, I'll look at it again

[acoustic osprey]

hm

[outer owl]

Ahhh! my apologies I am right next to my La Sainte Divinte server, though I play both Isle and their games I confused the two servers

they also have a game with Isle in the title my apologies

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[fading pivot]

who are these?

Apollo

To Lore

[nocturne cosmos]

guys who run all the stuff

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo Engineering is a medicinal bio-engineering company

the main protag company of the game

[fringe marsh]

think when we get humans into the game they may need to harvest and sell orgains from the primal humans and dinos to unlock things like the jeep and better tools by shipping them out at port, calling a shipment in at radio tower, repairing the jeep / buying it and a garage and so on?

track al dinos on the server from a single location i think it would be a cool idea

[acoustic osprey]

I do not imagine Humans interacting with Tribals

The Tribals are monsterous-esque cannibals

[fringe marsh]

human heart for transplants, human brain and so on

we have orgains in the game so why not

[acoustic osprey]

I guess, but

I don't see a giant tribal's heart fitting a normal human

Where, if AE are able to make humans anyways (Gen 2, the more perfect human) why can't they make a single heart

[fringe marsh]

its SciFi not real life??? i just dont see a reasson for the human stuff yet

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, but why give people giant tribal hearts?

When AE already makes near-perfect humans

That being the humans we can play as rn

[tranquil imp]

Mososaurus hidden under the ocean beach side

[acoustic osprey]

the concept art or?

Is this in reference to Saurian

[toxic zinc]

Small lore theory I have, AE is a Greek company because a lot of stuff is named after Greek gods but also evrima means discovery in Greek

[acoustic osprey]

Either Greek with a love of Greek mythology
Rare but still, plausible

Or an American/English company that find themselves akin to the nature of Greek Mythos and it's Gods

[toxic zinc]

Yes they just might like Greek stuff

[acoustic osprey]

As AE are practically playing God

[toxic zinc]

Yes they are

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

It's a ploy by the Greek Government to rebuild their economy

[toxic zinc]

Oh yeah lol

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

But practically most of Greece is orthodox

And do not believe in Greek Mythos

[toxic zinc]

Well yes Greek mythos is isn’t really around anymore but they use it In their culture

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

I wouldn't say today's Greeks very changed from ancient Greek Mythos

It also varies from region to region

Greece is full of different Greek cultures
One of my close friends, her culture is quite Turkish Greek

I, however, would say AE is either a transnational esque corporation or working under an English based country

That has purchased multiple islands, like what InGen did

Seeing as AE pretty much uses English

[toxic zinc]

Yes true

They are most likely an American company, also it seems that gateway is in the pacific as it has jackfruit

[tranquil imp]

What if the Humans have Mechs to fight off massive tyrants like giga, rex, acro and spino

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, depends if the "Hyper Gun" still exists

[tranquil imp]

??

[acoustic osprey]

Gun but to kill Hypers

If it still exists, no need to make mechs to fight off massive stuff

Mechs could exist for transportation reasons

[tranquil imp]

ahh makes sense

[tranquil imp]

Hypo is more common saying

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-slap-gif-5888687

[tranquil imp]

Flash be like

[bold crater]

The Anti-Hyper Gun, or as the kool dinoz say, A.H.G might be that gun Dondi talked about during that sniper rifle discussion when he mentioned a last resort "make it not alive" gun that you only fire once.

[rapid chasm]

50 bmg rifle with incendiary rounds, laced with poison from a Shellfish (PSP), a milligram of it can kill a adult human

[rustic halo]

I’d like the hyper gun to maybe not deal like insane hyper-killer damage but maybe disable the insane regen factor on them

So they can be worn down with other weapons or by other dinosaurs

[neon mesa]

Probably wouldn’t work on something that can regenerate from having its limbs blown off

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on if they can regen or not

[mystic rivet]

Hypo is no longer accurate

[acoustic osprey]

Never was

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-omni-man-looking-staring-indecise-gif-22897873

[mystic rivet]

Oh alr

[cinder atlas]

"Hypo" actually means the opposite, even.

[acoustic osprey]

scientifically speaking

Always been, though, Hyperendocrin

[safe valve]

Everyone blame Anthomnia for Hypo

[runic shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/hippopotamus-rolling-hippo-gif-20673592

Hippo

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-slap-gif-5888687

Punch aint lore man

[stone crater]

:)

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/well-agree-disagree-gif-19083826

They're not Hypos, and never will be

[stone crater]

To be clear, personally I’m Team Hyper because it just makes more sense, I just think it’s funny the devs have ONLY ever shortened it to “Hypo” and not “Hyper”

[acoustic osprey]

Because they all watch Anthomnia!!

[stone crater]

pffff

[acoustic osprey]

At least Don doesn't say Merc

Then you look at Punch

https://tenor.com/view/lego-batman-lego-batman-movie-no-gif-5707642

[stone crater]

Ofc, there’s also precedent for the devs referring to creatures by things other than their actual, canon names— just look at the confusion people still have over “cannibals” and “tribals”

[acoustic osprey]

to which Don, at least, fixed

But there are no Mercs coming to the game- at least right now
Unlike what Cannibals and Tribals meant.

Cannibals -> Tribals (still are cannibals)
What we thought were Cannibals -> Eyeless

Mercs mistaken for -> Gen 2
Gen 2 =/= Mercs

[stone crater]

alright half of this is new to me

[acoustic osprey]

the more you know

spread the word whenever possible

[stone crater]

Still not entirely clear on it tbh

[acoustic osprey]

Which part?

[stone crater]

“Eyeless” also isn’t a canon name, right??

[acoustic osprey]

Eyeless is just a placeholder name right now

[stone crater]

Created by the community??

[acoustic osprey]

there is a name but don't know.
But it'll imply on what it does/how to get it

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, just to call it something

[stone crater]

So. Ok. Are Tribals Gen 1??

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[stone crater]

And Tribals are “cannibals” in that they’ll cannibalize each other?? Or will they consume Gen 2s?? Or are they synonymous with the Eyeless??

[acoustic osprey]

Either or

[stone crater]

that. Does not clear it up, unfortunately

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals = Cannibals (by nature) = Gen 1

They likely cannibalise other Gen 1s, and probably will eat Gen 2s.

Tribals =/= Eyeless

However, Eyeless contain a very similar aspect to Echidna and other Neuros
Being blind

[stone crater]

if Tribals are Gen 1, and Tribals are capital-C Cannibals, and those same Cannibals are Eyeless—-

oh alright.

[acoustic osprey]

Eyeless are not "Cannibals" though

We don't know on the Eyeless' nature.
So best not to link them with "Cannibals"

as Cannibals are the Tribals

synonymous

[stone crater]

Gotcha. I’m gonna be distinguishing between cannibals (by nature) like Cerato and Gen 1s, and Cannibals (what we thought the Eyeless were) then to avoid confusion

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
I tend not to say Cannibals unless someone miscalls the Eyeless as Cannibals

[stone crater]

So Gen 1 are cannibalistic, the Eyeless are something else entirely, and Gen 2 are what everybody refers to as mercenaries??

[acoustic osprey]

aye

Pretty much

[stone crater]

But they arent mercenaries??

[rapid chasm]

aim at their mouth

and its gone

[acoustic osprey]

They likely cannibalise other Gen 1s, and probably will eat Gen 2s.
This intrigues me though

[acoustic osprey]

Yep
All "perfect" humans made by AE

[stone crater]

And where did we get that information from??

[acoustic osprey]

Don

[stone crater]

Gotchagotcha

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[stone crater]

And just to clarify, nothing else now has the “Merc” moniker?? It’s just inaccurate??

I wonder about “Gen 1” and “Gen 2”, then. It implies a sort of progression, but if the Gen 1 is outdated in any way I wonder why they would continue to be replicated at all

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

It's old and other YouTuber's keep using the term

Which then people assume it's gonna be PCE
Dino vs Mercs

which is the wrong reality

[stone crater]

Gotcha.

[acoustic osprey]

Most definitely

[stone crater]

This is also reminding me of the whole (outdated?) Olympus Transmitter messages mentioning how “the first generation turned to worship”, hinting at the relationship between Gen 1 and the Replicator

[acoustic osprey]

But I don't presume they were replicated, so to speak

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, we know (canon) that Gen 1s will sacrifice stuff to the Replicator to be rewarded

I presume, if Gen 1s CAN'T populate themselves, they will turn to the Replicator

[acoustic osprey]

Could be the relation to them being cannibalistic, but we don't know

And it's on an "alter" of sorts

[stone crater]

I’m still not entirely sure what Replication MEANS, exactly, then. I know it’s the diegetic respawn system, but if the humans on AE’s islands aren’t being replicated as profiles then what’s going on when we respawn as them??

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know if the respawn system is connected to the Replicator anymore
or if the Respawn system is in lore

[stone crater]

ughhhhhh man. I hope The End is Never The End doesn’t… end.

[acoustic osprey]

it doesn't need to be.
But it could be one of those games (like with old lore) were every single game mechanic HAS lore to it.

Like with Fortnite, the aspect where they "keep on killing themselves and respawning" was a crucial aspect of it's lore.

But screw Fortnite and their lore. Can't keep a cohesive story without introducing some other story element of Master Chief

[stone crater]

Always thought diegetic respawning was a neat form of storytelling

[acoustic osprey]

It's ok.
But then you lead to why does the animals have human brains

then you go to profiles

And guess that they might've put scientists/or just normal people signing up for it's minds into those dinos

Get's very messy very fast

Mostly disliked that aspect of Legacy's lore.
Prefer the more natural nature look of it- seeing as in the Observation Videos, they seem "normal"

[stone crater]

Messy how?? And yeah, we’ve always been working with extremely limited information regarding the game’s lore. We don’t even know “why dinosaurs” in the first place

[stone crater]

They seem “normal”, but I always connected that back to those transmissions. “Everything is not as it seems, you are controlled, you are conditioned”, etc.

[acoustic osprey]

Messy in the way of it being a poor story.
Don't get me wrong, it's a cool idea. But it's just wasted potential that was already explored in Legacy and got to no where.

It could be a good horror plot. But if AE aren't "super evil bad guys" (Which they aren't) then it's just sad to see people's minds being put into Dinos- especially since they're also making human bodies (Gen 1s and 2s)

[stone crater]

I wonder if this new map is the same Gateway mentioned by the Console and the Transmitter

[acoustic osprey]

Which still contradicts itself.
As player behaviour is very absurd and explosive.
Nothing truly controlled- besides them being island locked

But that was still heavily linked to profiles.

[stone crater]

I always sort of considered the main menu to be diegetic as well— as a player, you WERE a “profile”, and thus the amount of choice you had in creating and customizing your character was canon.

[acoustic osprey]

Hence why it did fit Legacy

I'm hoping it's more changed (with the UI update) to fit the "Observational Feel" that's been very promoted in Evrima

[stone crater]

Right, can’t account for player behavior, etc. there was also a transmission that addressed that though, right?? “We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them it was what they wanted”. At the time I thought that was referring to the scrapped (?) “affinity” system, which now could be applied to things like diets, migrations, etc

[bold crater]

Replicator Observation: On 👈

[acoustic osprey]

It still doesn't address the conscience nature of players vs the nature of real animals

[stone crater]

That explosive-style gameplay is gonna be a constant no matter what— I thought profiles were a clever way to not entirely break the immersion of the game when one comes across, say, crouch-dancing players

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuXRKUR770U
This would be the best, however this is an older version, of a very "Evrima UI main menu"

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, but it doesn't get quite addressed in the Transmissions.
However, both aspects are of old Lore and are gone- the tweets are 100% gone but profiles may come back

[acoustic osprey]

(You would be able to skip the beginning/turn it off after your first time running the game)

Akin to SoT's main menu

but it fits the vibe of "Observational Omnipresence"

Like the observational camera logs

Showing a very "Big Brother" feel to AE's watch over "Post-Incident Islands"

[stone crater]

Right— I’m just exploring how much of the old lore COULD be brought back without contradiction, given that I personally enjoyed a lot of its aspects and am still curious as to where it was heading in the first place

[acoustic osprey]

Like the Greek Gods, laughing at the weakness and chaos that is life on Gateway/Spiro

[acoustic osprey]

I don't find profiles working as well within Evrima as it did in Legacy

Especially as what we've seen in the few observational videos we have

and how Don has been describing with "giving attributes to Beipi" and other dinos

[stone crater]

Honestly I believe the observational videos work better as records than as reflections of gameplay but that’s just personal preference

[acoustic osprey]

In this adaption of The Isle Lore, they seem to be more just normal animals with their own attributes- less of man

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/well-agree-disagree-gif-19083826

The carnos weren't constantly 1 calling

[stone crater]

I definitely love the videos though, and I do wish that they DID reflect gameplay

[acoustic osprey]

I kinda hope they don't

and more so reflect how Don has been writing the "personalities" of the animals

Which, looking at the beipi one, felt like it

Well, no. Not really. Nothing really to get overly aggressive on

But still, aggressive diving

[stone crater]

Anyway, yeah, right— lore. You think we might get a look at whatever Tartarus was supposed to be??

[acoustic osprey]

Hold on

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3aALzT-e1Y

My theory is in the land of down

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1056784575541555220/Untitled.png

As Tartarus can be referred to an underworld of sorts.
Likely a facility/Prison

typically in networks, broken lines mean going down in altitude- but there is no key on the network diagram there, so we don't know

But, if we assume so.
They all connect to one "Umbrella" and link to three different off shoots

I'm guessing the Umbrella could just be the whole facility/prison/location of "Tartarus"

[acoustic osprey]

Facility/Prison or a general area for specific stuff?

[stone crater]

Neat!!

[acoustic osprey]

That's my working theory

I have nothing to back me up besides the broken lines

[stone crater]

Yeah I def wanna see where this goes

[acoustic osprey]

And assumption from Greek Mythos

[acoustic osprey]

Definitely.
It can be a very cool part of lore

Like is Tartarus holding Replicator?
Or is it were the Strains were made?
Where is Tartarus exactly

And can we the players make our ways into it

(We know Tartarus is in Gateway, Gateway being a gateway to Tartarus)

But we wait and see

I presume it'll be a hidden part of lore for a long time

[stone crater]

Oh neat. I’d assume it’d have some connection to the G.U.T.S. then

[acoustic osprey]

Most definitely

[stone crater]

Finally I think I’ll always be mourning the loss of the Primal Carnage connection a little bit, just because of nostalgia and how much I adored that game’s worldbuilding

[acoustic osprey]

Agreed

However, it's good for the means of creative freedom

[stone crater]

for sure!! Doesn’t mean I won’t be calling every Quetz I see “Alphonse”

[acoustic osprey]

lol

At least Magnas are kinda still in

Being renamed to "O"
But what has been changed in terms of characteristics? Don't know

[stone crater]

Oh, are they being reworked into whatever the type-O is??

[acoustic osprey]

obviously the backstory for them wouldn't be Operation Inferno

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

At least, M-Quetz is being replaced by O-Quetz

to some degree

[stone crater]

If O ends up being Omni-somethingorother then that means we might lose Magnaraptor, then. Pity, I thought heat pits on a dromaeosaur were a neat idea

[acoustic osprey]

Omnicoatl

[acoustic osprey]

I hope it's not

[stone crater]

Omniazdharchus

[acoustic osprey]

However, it's the same prefix change with Magnas

so, the resemblance is there

[stone crater]

Omnityrannus…

Damn. Apollotyrannus would work SO much better

[acoustic osprey]

But, Omniraptor doesn't make to be "O-Variant" if O-Quetz will exist and Quetz still exists in of itself

Where Omniraptor would be the O-Utah, then?

[stone crater]

WILL O-Quetz exist in and of itself?? What do we know about it, really??

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

O-Quetz will exist
Wouldn't make sense for the Quetz in the concept art to be renamed to Omnicoatl though

Unless they change Omniraptor and how to acquire it in the future

[stone crater]

No no yeah I get that— just— I’d figured O-Quetz would be something for regular Quetz to mutate INTO, rather than being its own playable

[acoustic osprey]

I hope so

Unless we go to the magna route and say they were made like that

Magnas being less strain
and more "Variant"

as if it was a Carchar Alt Skin for Giga

[stone crater]

And yeah I wouldn’t mind it if Omniraptor became unlockable in the same way, but I also think Omniraptor could exist as a viable prototype

For Type-O as a whole

[acoustic osprey]

It could be
Just depends how they want to go that route

We know there were/are still different Gens for Dinos (not just humans)

[stone crater]

Could even explain how it’s essentially “Utah, but better” as the community likes to believe

[acoustic osprey]

so it would make sense if Omniraptor is a "Gen 1 Prototype"

[stone crater]

I always considered each remodel to be a distinct “Gen”, yeah

[acoustic osprey]

It's just iffy, obviously

Just depends on learning on when AE did this dinosaur stuff and for how long prior to "Whatever happened on the islands"

[stone crater]

Allo’s on 3, Dilo’s on 2, etc. and there could be subversions as well, with the addition of core mechanics and junk like dietary changes etc etc

[acoustic osprey]

Spino being "revised" with a new phenotype

(However, Hope. trailer is still inaccurate of Isle's lore)

[stone crater]

Yep yep. Rex is on, like. 4, right?? Does the port from legacy to Evrima count as a different version?? Can’t remember if the model was tweaked or not.

Animation sets and posture changing should at least count as a subversion, right??

[acoustic osprey]

I guess it's a 50/50 there

because we know not a lot/not all of Legacy's lore is being put into Evrima

So, would that still count for animations/calls/models/etc

I guess it might be an individual thing
Maybe all of Allosaurs versions are canon but maybe Rex? No

Which I see might be more plausible

Especially since first Rex isn't even Isle's, excluding they did buy the rights to it- it's just not a true model by the devs themselves

[stone crater]

True true

[acoustic osprey]

but you know

[acoustic osprey]

Anyways, thank you for the chat
As you know, this channel is either dead or dead

As much theories as I have, so much more fun when you're talking to someone

[stone crater]

Oh yeah likewise thanks for your help

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-batman-lego-batman-movie-youre-darn-right-whoa-batman-gif-7250087

[icy onyx]

Possibility of AE sending in Gen 2's to survey and note species on the island for what ever reason?

[hexed flax]

But they have field cameras. Sending Gen 2 just to document the dinosaurs seems unnecessary

[icy onyx]

Unless it's not AE scouts, another company/government?

[acoustic osprey]

It's been teased that AE have been doing this

(Looking at the observational videos on the channel)

But yes, at least we've seen some concept art of a guy "studying"/observing a dino

[bold crater]

AE is really starting to feel like the SCP Foundation with this context

AE is the Foundation
Dinos are their SCPs
Gen 2s are their D-Class

Not that that's a bad thing of course. SCP friggn' rocks.

I always get so immersed with their documents. If Isle can replicate that with it's own lore documents, that'd be brilliance.

But that brings up the question of how do you acquire them and in what state?

Like is it just paper documents or could it also potentially be digital logs or maybe even audio tapes?

Maybe there are some documents AE doesn't want ye finding

[icy onyx]

They best not allow me on Gateway then. Cause imma get them documents

[acoustic osprey]

They're just in lorem ipsum

[tranquil imp]

I don't follow

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[tranquil imp]

The humans invisble cloak suites

[acoustic osprey]

?

[tranquil imp]

to blend in the forest... you know...camo

[acoustic osprey]

Oh no, I understand, but context?

[bold crater]

I HEARD GHILLIE

[acoustic osprey]

I guess the guy didn't find a ghillie

I imagine it would be hard.
You're literally wearing foliage

[edgy pike]

How heavy is a ghillie suit anyway

[acoustic osprey]

Depends

they're not literal bricks.
But it's like wearing a jumpsuit with foliage over it

[rapid chasm]

It can be heavy, it's a mix of mud, sticks, leaves, grass, etc.

[hallow cedar]

isle takes place on kepler-22b

[late dagger]

will we have humans vs fauna war at some point?

[hallow cedar]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855535605178171422/1060810014236872764/gus.gif

[long onyx]

new eden

[clever horizon]

[calm geyser]

https://youtu.be/-uG8DbyyKNY Anyone understand what their trying to gesture at with the Morse code

[acoustic osprey]

SOS and B

[oblique surge]

Do we got any ideas going on what the B could be for?

[void apex]

Could be the location in the incident report

[scarlet verge]

Do we know all the locations of the morse code? I was with a pack of raptors last night and someone said they heard morse code by the salt licks just north of the warehouse. I didn't hear it so it might have just been another SOS or B

[maiden sundial]

It's mostly where human settlements are or where they are supposed to be. Like port for instance

[scarlet verge]

Ok so it was probably just coming from the warehouse, not the salt licks then

[maiden sundial]

It likely was

[icy onyx]

I already made apost on this, B is likely referring to Hades enttry on the bit of lore posted in #isle-phase-three

[void apex]

This one

[icy onyx]

here

[icy onyx]

yea

[oblique surge]

ohhh yeah I forgot about that document
makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[acoustic osprey]

I don't think so

I'd say they were likely trying to refer to the grid system

[icy onyx]

My personal lore for the isle is that it’s a island chain which has dinosaurs and other prehistoric life

[pale terrace]

Thats the lore from Jurassic Park, just without the creation of "Dinosaurs" from Humans

[acoustic osprey]

I agree

[wicked brook]

Is it part of the lore that the Dino’s have minds downloaded into them, that get re-uploaded into a new Dino after death by an ai system?

Or did I dream that up?

[acoustic osprey]

Old lore

But not Dino minds, human minds in Dino body

Profiles
Honestly, an aspect of legacy lore I prefer stay in legacy

[acoustic osprey]

Yep, profiles

Don't forget that that's still the old Legacy character screen

[fringe marsh]

Ong

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-theisle-the-isle-lore-lore-gif-19857045

[acoustic osprey]

I agree

[thorn prism]

Ima be real I didn’t even know the isle had lore

[acoustic osprey]

The more you know

feel free to read my own document and/or the one from HellShade to learn more

If you haven't already

[outer verge]

Whoa! Sure never have seen that gif before.

[proper spear]

How long has it been since a good lore drop happened? Think it's been a good while

[meager junco]

The whole Dino matrix thing has never been one of my favourite ideas. Cool in concept but I’d rather it stayed old lore.

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[zenith cypress]

Is this document showing the tree of life?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, yes to some degree

But I would not say "X is Y" with this one

It's definitely not the exact same

[zenith cypress]

"Olympus central control" would be god I guess

[acoustic osprey]

this is Greek Mythos, so that'd be the "HQ"

Olympus being the home of the Gods

but I wouldn't put Jewish Mythos (Abrahamic Religions) into AE and The Isle

[zenith cypress]

I've meant God as a metaphor for HQ

[acoustic osprey]

Well, Greek Mythos contains multiple Gods

Olympus CC would be the Home of the Gods

Each aspect being different, with their own purposes
Like the Gods in Greek Mythos

Albeit, only three points in network graph are named after Gods

[zenith cypress]

uff, just spotted the naming on the left xD
now I get it what you've meant with Greek mythology

[acoustic osprey]

aye aye

come to realise basically everything is linked with Greek Mythos with AE

even AE (Apollo Engineering) being named after Apollo

Which was the God of Healing (and other things)

And to note, Apollo was still God of other things

Apollo was the god of divine distance—the god who made mortals aware of their own guilt and purified them of it, who presided over religious law and the constitutions of cities, and who communicated with mortals his knowledge of the future and the will of his father

But this is quite interesting

[maiden sundial]

Apollo is also the god of music, the sun, and had a lot of mistresses

[acoustic osprey]

Well, not of the sun
That'd be Helios

but connected with the Sun, yes

[maiden sundial]

In some articles both of them are the gods to sun

But he's most known for music and having lots. And lots. Of the thing.

[zenith cypress]

but how is it connected to the Isle?
The layout of this structure is pretty much biblical - for a reason?

[maiden sundial]

Æ is playing god.

[acoustic osprey]

the original version I had was different

So, I say it's more of a fun satire and reference of the Jewish Tree of Life

[zenith cypress]

what is AE?

[acoustic osprey]

Main corp doing it all

[maiden sundial]

Apollo engineering

[zenith cypress]

oh right

[acoustic osprey]

Which, AE seems to be going into a very "Greek Mythos" feel
So, I can imagine them not trying to be pure good guys

[maiden sundial]

A lot of their operations are based off of greek names. And surprisingly roman

[acoustic osprey]

Less so Roman
The Roman references were with old lore

Atriums
Which I hope they do less of

[maiden sundial]

Operation Hercules.

[zenith cypress]

what actually is the lore?

[maiden sundial]

Hercules is the Roman version of Heracles

[acoustic osprey]

wow, thanks for referencing to my home country!!!

[maiden sundial]

Wait did I mess up smth?

[acoustic osprey]

AE bio-engineering company

[acoustic osprey]

code-name given to the invasion of Malta during WW2

[zenith cypress]

and scientists controlling dinosaurs like drones? for what reason?

[acoustic osprey]

I don't remember a Operation Hercules in old lore
only Inferno

[acoustic osprey]

Likely medicinal reasons

Sorry, AE is a Medicinal-based Bio-engineering company

[maiden sundial]

Oh I see

[zenith cypress]

medical reasons?

[acoustic osprey]

We know Strains were made for medicine reasons

[acoustic osprey]

Time to explode

[zenith cypress]

I... don't really get it
"but why" is still my theme

[maiden sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-ian-malcolm-jeff-goldblum-should-could-gif-16617300

[zenith cypress]

exactly

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows

[maiden sundial]

They wanted to play god and perhaps make the perfect human

[acoustic osprey]

You have the power to resurrect things from the dead

if this is hypothetical 90s, Dinos were very hot off the table in media

HYPO

[maiden sundial]

Oh yea just 10 years after jurassic park

I think Jp2 was coming out soon

[zenith cypress]

resurrection? Is this really a thing?

[acoustic osprey]

Well, the Dinos are back

[maiden sundial]

Well. Kinda. They technically brought the dinosaurs from extinction

[zenith cypress]

yea, but I understand something more of The Walking Dead by "Resurrection"

I assume those dinos didn't ware dead before

[maiden sundial]

More meant they resurrected the species

[acoustic osprey]

Presume not resurrected like Zombies

More like recreating Dinos

Seeing as, stuff like Omniraptor, didn't even exist

Just a synthetically made "new dino" that AE could do

Brought back from extinction in AE's own vision

[maiden sundial]

Though to be honest there's only a few dinosaurs in the game that are likely accurate. All of them are new ones

[zenith cypress]

I would understand it as some kind of cloning or something

[acoustic osprey]

Cloning with a bit of synthetic touch ups

Like how the Clones in SW aren't exactly Jango
but more so Jango with slight alterations

However, I presume a lot more exaggerated in AE's case

And Gen 2s? I'd say less clones and more like pure lab made humans

[maiden sundial]

But something doesn't add up. Why would they make realistic dinosaurs?

Perhaps as a test to try and make gen 2?

[zenith cypress]

what is gen2?

[maiden sundial]

But starting with complete genomes?

[sonic rampart]

Humans

Gen 1 are the cannibals/tribals

[acoustic osprey]

The Humans
Originally referred to as Mercs

[maiden sundial]

The "perfect" human™️

[acoustic osprey]

but there are no Mercenaries in The Isle (at the moment)

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows
AE can do anything

[zenith cypress]

are "Humans" also controlled by scientists?

[acoustic osprey]

they likely made whatever the scientist/engineer wanted to do

[maiden sundial]

Even achieve immortality?

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows

[maiden sundial]

These humans likely have more free will

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as this is a bio-engineering medicine corp
Either immortality or a way to give (rich) people a 2nd chance at life

The idea of "Dying then going into another body to restart" is an interesting alteration from "immortal body" theme

[maiden sundial]

I wonder how many laws against animals and humanity Æ has broken

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows.
You have to wonder what laws are there in place for making fake animals

[zenith cypress]

does anyone know when this all is actually happening?

[acoustic osprey]

They could be doing it in places without those jurisdictions

[maiden sundial]

Possibly the 90s

[acoustic osprey]

2172

(I say this to kill you, in the mind)

[maiden sundial]

You nearly got me lightclaw

[zenith cypress]

why 90s?

[maiden sundial]

Idk. Just because?

[acoustic osprey]

Here comes some weird parts
Phase Three document showed, multiple times, highlighting the date as "2172"

[acoustic osprey]

JP, most likely

we do know CRT monitors exist

and were used

[zenith cypress]

does JP lore play into the Isle????

[acoustic osprey]

And the Don tweet, from ages back, about The Isle being on "Earth (?)"

[maiden sundial]

2172? Very odd.

[acoustic osprey]

inspiration to The Isle

[maiden sundial]

Nope.

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

[sonic rampart]

It's possible that the Isle's lore begins in the 80s-90s but the game takes place much, much later (like 2172, which may or may not be on the docs [it was "redacted"])

[maiden sundial]

This is possibly the caae

Actually I have a theory.

[acoustic osprey]

redacted but when upping exposure and changing contrast, all date areas highlight the same 4 letters
Which, you can guess it might mean something- obviously, it could just be a placeholder

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
So I believe it could be something where The Isle is living in something like a Indian National date system
Where they're actually living in 1944

Where, being Earth (?), their "90s" is the 2170s

It's farfetched, but what can you do

[maiden sundial]

During the 80s and 90s Apollo Engineering cracked the code and figured out how to clone and create animals. Creating the dinosaurs. But also "perfect" humans. However. One of their inventions. The replicator if I remember correctly. Turned on humanity and turned the strains onto Æ to drive them out of the islands. Turning it into a desperate struggle between Æ and the replicator. Said replicator is now producing both monsters. Real dinosaurs. And the "perfect" humans.

[maiden sundial]

This is my theory btw

[maiden sundial]

At some point Æ gave up and decided to leave the islands. Until the game starts. Which seems to have Æ trying to retake the islands

This would solve the issue of dates

[acoustic osprey]

We do know that AE is making Gen 2s

[maiden sundial]

Doesn't the replicator exist? Or am I thinking of another invention of Æ

[acoustic osprey]

Replicator exists

[maiden sundial]

It's the ai producing the dinosaurs correct?

[acoustic osprey]

Likely used by AE to replicate pre-existing creations or it replicates DNA code (insert bio-engineering language) and spits out the Dino AE wants

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know what it produces at the moment

Besides that it will reward Tribals for sacrificing things

[acoustic osprey]

I'm guessing AE didn't just leave because they wanted to

We can see damage marks and destroyed fences in Gateway (and older devblogs)

I presume AE were, more so, forced out

[maiden sundial]

Probably kicked out. Perhaps the replicator ai gained sentience and fought back using more powerful strains. Perhaps the strains we see in game are the "wartime" strains where the replicator needed to fight back.

It'd explain why the hypos aren't all emaciated

[acoustic osprey]

Perhaps Replicator persuaded the strains

Seeing as The Replicator has somehow persuaded Tribals to sacrifice things to her

[maiden sundial]

Or simply rewritten the code.

Especially with the mindless hypos

Who know nothing but to kill and eat

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-odenkirk-saul-goodman-better-call-saul-im-sorry-but-have-you-lost-your-mind-are-you-insane-gif-25820724

(Hypers)

[maiden sundial]

Hypers. Sorry

[acoustic osprey]

Thank you

[maiden sundial]

Oh right because they are hypervores

No click

[acoustic osprey]

4 subscribes

But yes, Replicator could be changing code or tempted bigger monsters to cause mayhem

I wouldn't really say changing code? Seeing as The Replicator is called The Replicator

[fluid geode]

What time does the isle take place? If there is any given or known time.

[acoustic osprey]

@fluid geode refer to this and

[acoustic osprey]

And this

[fluid geode]

Well that's not at all confusing

[acoustic osprey]

I agree

[maiden sundial]

I'd say the lore has a time jump. From the 80s to 90s to the 2170s

[acoustic osprey]

I don't agree with that

I believe there is a time jump

But I don't agree with that document taking place almost 2 hundred years after the main events of the 80s/90s

[icy onyx]

Me, 200 years in the future using the Spas-12 to wipe out Utah packs

[acoustic osprey]

I agree

[icy onyx]

dinosaur went ehehehaehehehehehe

[acoustic osprey]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SecretQuickIberianmidwifetoad-mobile.mp4

[ruby juniper]

thank you

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

[icy onyx]

Are cannibals still relevant

[mystic rivet]

Probably

[crisp raven]

The Horde should be lore

[acoustic osprey]

Eyeless

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-stop-talking-five-minutes-be-yourself-please-gif-13730564

[crisp raven]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-ben-talking-talking-ben-no-gif-25277070

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals = Cannibals
Old Cannibals (no longer referred to as Cannibals = Eyeless

[icy onyx]

noice

[acoustic osprey]

We know Tribals will be rewarded from sacrificing things to the Replicator, so the reward could be related to that

[icy onyx]

oo

[acoustic osprey]

Just don't confuse the two

[icy onyx]

alr ty

[acoustic osprey]

No worries

[rapid chasm]

I think the hyper fences were used to section off species from each other, meaning most of them could freeroam the majority of the island whilst the "enclosures" were used for research.

I also suppose the Hyper fences were not electrified because their base looks to be a mix of metal and reinforced concrete.

reinforced concrete itself can withstand a hit from a third generation fighter jet

[rapid chasm]

I do believe that this explains this.

[rapid chasm]

and just to elaborate: Hyper fences were probably made to contain hypers and protect vital human infrastructure from them, meaning smaller species such as dryosaurus, maia and carno would be able to be by the human infrastructure but something like a rex, acro, spino etc would not be able to access it.

whilist the smaller fences protect from medium species and would be used to protect vital infrastructure as a last line of defense and be used to protect less vital infrastructure such as monorail stations and such.

[icy onyx]

Sounds about right. Great theory!

[stone crater]

just hit me that sectioning off different areas with Hyper fences (if that’s canonically what those fences are meant to contain) isn’t meant to house Hypers long-term, since they’re doomed to starve soon after mutating/whathaveyou anyways.

Rather, it seems to me much more likely that splitting the ecosystem into chunks would make it easy for people to selectively wipe out the population of a single section with a Hyper and then let it starve, without impacting the biodiversity of the other sects.

Too unfamiliar with the map structure of Gateway to put too much stock in this though— does anyone know if the Hyper fences actually form closed loops, and is this idea sound??

[icy onyx]

That makes me curious, if the bases of the hyper fences and the fences themselves are made to withstand hypos. What was able to tear those holes you can find in them? A desperate hypo?

[stone crater]

It’s definitely confused me too— a good chunk of them are significantly smaller than any Hyper we know of, and yet carve straight through the concrete in a very deliberate line. Makes me wonder if Gen 1’s have invented chisels or something

[icy onyx]

I wonder if it was a sabotage attempt by an insider because if it can withstand the monsters that are hypos than I think they can withstand basic tools

[modern rover]

yea, in my exploration, there is one specific area with two damaged hyper fences. One is torn to shreds, completely obliterated, from the concrete to the metal wires. The other one is almost burrowed through, very precisely, by something else. It can't be natural erosion or other damage because it is a straight raptor-sized hole through solid reinforced concrete and rebar, so what the hell was it

[icy onyx]

It has got to be an avaceratops

Professional demo man

[modern rover]

the only thing i can think of is a tisso, due to the fact that they were implied to be capable of exceptionally corrosive

[icy onyx]

They look more like them were forced and less melted though so we will see

[modern rover]

the obliterated hyper fence also brings a lot of questions. If it's supposed to withstand hypos, what exactly is breaking them so completely? Explosives maybe, but even then, why?

And also, why are these two damaged hyper fences exceptionally close to one another.

[icy onyx]

Maybe they were designed poorly or they underestimated a certain hypo

[modern rover]

The hole one is exceptionally strange. It def looks like it was burrowed through, but what animal is shredding through solid concrete and even rebar