🚀EN - 1.20 Modpack Contribution Megathread

[cosmic veldt]

oh extracting sticky resin from the logs you mean?

[brave cairn]

yeah

[cosmic veldt]

it does exist as a centrifuge output

that would make sense

I think if we allow for latex to be produced somehow even from logs outside of tapping season it'll be just like it is now

it's just that i found it odd that you can tap the rubber trees for latex, but the latex is kind of its own thing and rubber is obtained from the logs

[brave cairn]

the afc system uses the tfc ambient temperature, so if we want any temperature to be usable for tapping, we could, though it'd be a little odd lol

[copper solar]

Maybe have both? Leave the old recipe in along with log extraction? (Even if log extraction is way more straight forward)

[coral vault]

Extract latex from dandelions :)

[cosmic veldt]

then the issue would be log extraction is still the straight up best way, because rubber trees grow very fast and big and going through the latex-sticky resin thing was suboptimal to the log extractor/centrifuge thing even back then

[cosmic veldt]

i kinda wanna add this too haha I was reading up on people trying to use dandelions as sources of natural rubber

[copper solar]

I did kinda like how pumping and transporting latex was something to solve, but the vat bottleneck was annoying

[spiral lintel]

actually what was the method for rubber in 0.7

i completely forgot

[brave cairn]

it's not difficult to add new singleblock steam machines btw

[copper solar]

Sticky resin+sulfur

[brave cairn]

pretty similar to what we have now - tap kapok for sticky resin, extract it for rubber

then combine both with sulfur to finish

[coral vault]

I added it in an old PR for 0.8 😔 rest in peace

[copper solar]

Oh extract the sticky resin

[cosmic veldt]

we could add a steam extractor that only does liquids and call it a steam squeezer, then that would produce the latex from stuff

[brave cairn]

that;s just a fluid extractor lol

[cosmic veldt]

we're bringing it back 😈

[brave cairn]

I already kinda use the vacuum chamber as a fluid extractor, for liquid rubber and glue, if you wanna use that too?

[cosmic veldt]

oh the vacuum chamber would work quite well I think!

[brave cairn]

since it has both compression and vacuuming modes

[cosmic veldt]

vac chamber logs to get latex

[brave cairn]

and you can automate it cuz create

vac chamber is already required for progression since you need it for vacuum tubes, so it's nice to give it more uses

[cosmic veldt]

alright i'm writing this all down, the only thing that needs to be concrete now is how you get raw rubber pulp from vulcanised latex (probably will rename that fluid)

solidifier is the obvious choice but we need something pre-LV too

[brave cairn]

we can just make a steam fluid solidifier

or, hmmm...

[cosmic veldt]

don't think that will be that useful because most of the stuff a solidifier does TFC does on its own

[brave cairn]

https://modrinth.com/mod/create-vintage-improvements do any of these other machines stand out as something usable?

[cosmic veldt]

what about making vulcanised latex just become raw rubber in a vat? we can move the latex soaked gloves to idk, mixing bowl or barrel or something

[brave cairn]

could do yeah

[gloomy elm]

What about a barrel recipe?

[cosmic veldt]

it is a little odd to make this recipe either vat or barrel, because the intention is we're drying it and letting the moisture out of it, but it doesn't quite make sense with either of them because they're meant to be fully sealed

ideally there would be some sort of drying mat for fluids or whatever where you can just lay them out in sheets and they dry but we don't have things like that I don't think

[brave cairn]

https://gregtechceu.github.io/GregTech-Modern/Modpacks/Other-Topics/Custom-Machines/ just putting this here

though hm, this is for new machines, not sure if you can add variations of existing types - lemme ask the gt discord

[cosmic veldt]

we could also just use the vac chamber again in pressurising mode

more uses for the VI machines is always nice

that's how glue is solidified before LV rightn ow

[brave cairn]

oh true yeah

so it's basically a combo extractor/solidifier

(I eventually want to move the welding recipes to the mech press whenever that's available again)

[cosmic veldt]

that would make the most sense to me because it's coming out in pulp form, which means its just got all its water sucked out of it really

id rather not make people make raw rubber sheets and then have to grind them up again to make rubber lmao

[brave cairn]

yeah makes sense

[cosmic veldt]

so far I got:
Remove current raw rubber pulp sources pre-LV centrifuge.

Latex (tapped from trees or vacuumised from logs, leaves, saplings, dandelions)
-> Vulcanised latex (latex cooked with sulfur in vat/pot/chem reactor)
-> Raw rubber pulp (Vulcanised latex pressurized with vac chamber or fluid solidifier)

Rubber/Rosin logs -> Sticky resin (extractor)
Latex/Pitch -> Sticky resin (cooked with wood ash)

Change latex-soaked gloves into a barrel recipe with vulcanised latex.

might also make the sticky resin from pitch one wood ash too for consistency

[brave cairn]

rosin logs -> sticky resin in extractor too?

[cosmic veldt]

sounds good

we can keep the logs centrifuge recipe as is, because it's LV and it probably makes sense for people to be able to skip a few steps at that point

either that or we can make the centrifuge recipe output latex instead of straight up raw rubber

[spiral lintel]

the best part of TFG (really gregtech in general) is more efficient recipes the more you advance in the tech progression, so the old recipe should be kept

[brave cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/washing-machine-its-a-boeatyful-day-jumping-trampoline-gif-6083258037206644329

me putting my logs in my centrifuge

[cosmic veldt]

yeah it sounds like a good improvement over the previous method, it will be an improvement until you can get to isoprene for sure

[spiral lintel]

is isoprene new with 0.9?

[cosmic veldt]

nope it's always been a rubber source but only post petrochemicals

it's kind of how you do synthetic rubber because rubber tapping is a labour intensive process

[spiral lintel]

at that point you should just make styrene-butadiene rubber though?

[brave cairn]

oh, I just diverted a few kapok logs into a little centrifuge/chem reactor setup for all my rubber lol

from my tree farm

I have noticed that new gregtech starts cutting off rubber a lot sooner than in 0.7 though, forcing you into silicone

[cosmic veldt]

true but isoprene is ridiculously easy to make

it's just propene

[cosmic veldt]

how so? i havent looked at how GT changed in the new version at all so i dont know much

[brave cairn]

just for stuff like rubber rings in pumps, sheets in conveyors, that kinda thing

in 0.7 silicone was pretty much entirely skippable until like, luv when you needed SBR

[spiral lintel]

that's good

personally in 0.7 i automated silicone because it seemed fun!

[cosmic veldt]

oh you mean like higher tier components explicitly require silicone instead of just normal rubber?

that's neat

[brave cairn]

yeah, either silicone or sbr

oh, I noticed this on the tfg subreddit today

[gloomy elm]

Honestly most of the time you can even skip the silicon

[brave cairn]

it'd explain why we get so many saplings lol

[gloomy elm]

Oh make sense

[brave cairn]

I'm guessing our tree chop mod (and the create saws) are just using the leaves' loot table

[gloomy elm]

It could be fun to do the same with circuits

Remove the tin alloy or whatever the name is

And use a new soldering alloy that we make from a planet

Very Gregtech and a way to gate higher circuit with planets stuff

[brave cairn]

oh boy, make lead and antimony even more useless :p

[gloomy elm]

Uhuh only from IV or LuV maybe

[gloomy elm]

Someone already changed the tier for electrolyzing clay

Infinite Clay dupe

-Remove the infinite loop with coke oven brick
-move electrolyzing clay to HV/EV
-add making clay from sand around MV

I had this todo was the other things done too?

I'm not finding them but

well I will just make a new dev instance and test it inworld

[brave cairn]

I did the first two

[rocky leaf]

I did it!

[gloomy elm]

Will do the clay one then

[rocky leaf]

need test

[elder niche]

I've done all this a long time ago. It's just that my request with the addition of functional storage has not been accepted since 0.7.16.

u can test it if u want

i use it all the time

[rocky leaf]

@elder niche ну может и добавят, недавно что то писали про это

[elder niche]

кто знает. Я не видел

в любом случае мне об этом должны сообщить

[brave cairn]

thanks

[brave cairn]

how are the quests going, I'd like to do another release soon

[gloomy elm]

working on the lang files right now

doing the formating

should be good in 2-3 hours

[brave cairn]

nice nice

[gloomy elm]

We should have the proper standard quest book now

[gloomy elm]

I just have an idea for cold region

oh nvm we can't make GT recipes depending of temperature

😦

[cosmic veldt]

hm?

no reason why we can't if we really want to implement it

will just be a mixin

[gloomy elm]

That could be a cool thing

Thinking about how we make liquid air or liquid oxygen

The recipe to make them is quite slow which is totally fine

But as a small side quest what if we make the same recipe but like 5 or 10 times faster if you do the recipe in a cold climate

You wouldn’t need to do it

But if you have a train insfrastrucure going into the north you would save a lot of energy and materials making these recipes in cold climates

I don’t think many would do it but personally I would do it just for the fun of it

[cosmic veldt]

hm, I like the idea a little bit but it doesn't really make too much sense since cold climates would be like -15c at most and liquid air is made at -200c or something like that haha

but there's another way that could work that doesn't require us to do mixins either, what if we allow them to use permafrost as a catalyst to do it faster

and permafrost we'd put at like, high mountaintops etc in cold regions

i think that would be a good compromise

[gloomy elm]

Definitely

[brave cairn]

that could work, though if it's a limited resource then I get the feeling a lot of people won't bother?

[cosmic veldt]

actually hm, the recipe that takes long in question is the distillation tower and that doesn't have an item input

so hmm

i think it'd be an interesting side grade to think about especially when we start thinking about mars, since mars will have a lot of melting down mars ice recipes

and i assume some of them will be useful for earth progression too if we put permafrost in some earth biomes

[gloomy elm]

need a way to make it unlimited in cold climate

and we are back to GT using temperature :p

if we find more uses for it that could a great thing to make but I have no idea how hard it would be for you guys to implement this feature

if it's only for one or two uses I don't think you should bother

[brave cairn]

imo it doesn't sound worth the effort

like, we could just make it so the recipe runs faster on cold planets like mars, or something

but that'll have its own atmosphere with different gases in it

[brave cairn]

alright done with half my tax stuff

gonna take a look at that boiler issue

besides the quest stuff, is there anything else that you guys think you can squeeze into 0.9.3?

[gloomy elm]

The only thing I can think of would be to understand from where the bug with Gregtech not letting us interact with Prospector/EMI is coming and fixing the cover?

Both of these issues I have no idea on how to do

[cosmic veldt]

I could add the textures for red/tin alloy for tfc

I have them made they're just on my working tree which is create 6

[brave cairn]

that's be cool, if you could

[brave cairn]

man I can't even get this boiler to blow up now lol

[brave cairn]

nope ok, breaking and replacing a casing makes it blow up lol#

[brave cairn]

cool I think I fixed it (I just disabled all explosions lol)

should be good enough until gtceu 1.7 with the proper fix

[cosmic veldt]

do AFC treetaps crash if you break the log

[spiral lintel]

it appears the beneath quests are not complete enough. No mention of bastions, damascus steel (should be made as a hidden quest!), kaolin claze and why you might wanna go there

[brave cairn]

the klayze/glayze are mentioned in the metallurgy quests, but yeah that section is a bit unfinished

[spiral lintel]

also maybe it's just me but the firmalife section is a bit... messy

[gloomy elm]

Okay I’m still not finish 😐

I gonna PR everything that is important for quest structures at least

I won’t be able to finish before Monday as I won’t be much available before Sunday evening

If you can just let me fully finish everything before pushing 0.9.3 I would really be glad

It’s finishing some lang file and the HV chapter that I’m redoing from scratch

[copper solar]

The new ones? mine just stay floating

[cosmic veldt]

hm, odd

they keep causing the world to be irrecoverably corrupted if i accidentally break one while trying to test it

[brave cairn]

redoing from scratch? 😮

[gloomy elm]

Not like fully from scratched

But I need to do a lot more of changes from Community to make it clean compared to the others one

And HV is a smaller chapter anyway

You get LCR and Cleanroom and that’s basically it

Well and space

But this one will be added later on

[brave cairn]

took a quick look at the issues with not being able to stain wattle and not being able to craft facades

the tfc code seems to very clearly be looking for the vanilla dye items, and I looked in gt code and didn't see anything about those being modified

so I have no clue why those are swapped around

as for the facades, I disabled the vintage improvements cast iron plate so greg was generating its normal iron plates again, but those didn't turn into facades either

and the greg code shows it's just looking for any sort of iron plate, not its own

so... I really don't know what's up with them

[brave cairn]

ok, make the HV chapter PR then - they're just quests, and the ones we have right now are still fine, why do we need to wait?

[gloomy elm]

yeah HV chapter won't be in the PR

Basically finishing the formating of lang file

If you don't want to wait it's nothing too bad it will come later

not like there gonna be translating happening right now at least the quest will be there in englisj

[brave cairn]

no, but we'd like to start doing proofreading for your text, lol

[gloomy elm]

well yeah you can

I mean there is already lot of texts that need proofreading

Ore Processing

LV chapter

MV chapter

anyway I'm pushing in 20 minutes or so just preparing my branch

[brave cairn]

kk

[brave cairn]

lemme try mixins for those

it'd be nice if any kind of dye would work for the wattle, it's a cute block

maybe an assembler recipe too, hmm

[gentle gull]

@brave cairn is there an option to split steam engine's 256su power into 4 independent steel shaft instalations?

cause id did one and dont see the advantage besides faster rpm (thats kinda useless because of Rotation speed controller)

[brave cairn]

upgrade your shafts :)

[gentle gull]

ye sure but it is kinda useless in the eraly automatization stage

[brave cairn]

it's not useless at all - since it already starts at a fast speed, it means it'll need way less "gearing up" to make your machines go fast

which in turn means less stress usage

otherwise, if they only output 64 or 128, I'd have to nerf water wheels even more

[gloomy elm]

Okay so I pushed the branch with all the quests change

There is some lang file for the tool but they need to be finished

as for the quests convert to the lang file formate

but at least you can begin proof reading and giving me your feedback on the quests change

[brave cairn]

where?

[gloomy elm]

I reopened the pr from before as you told me to do

[brave cairn]

oh

[gloomy elm]

I'm going now have some driving to do but I will take my computer if some stuffs need urgent fixing

[brave cairn]

great, thank you

[brave cairn]

has anyone managed to make a recipe that includes nbt data on the output?

kube's docs suck and has no documentation for this

[copper solar]

Connect it directly to a roller or other high stress multiplier machine

Also for alternators

[brave cairn]

oh wait nebby's grappling hook stuff uses a ton of nbt

lemme look at that

[coral vault]

I believe the sophisticated backpack recipes also have some nbt stuff?

[elder niche]

does this work?

[brave cairn]

ah hm, they don't actually - looks like they have their own recipe type to handle the nbt copying, sophisticatedbackpacks:backpack_upgrade

[coral vault]

Oh interesting

[brave cairn]

no, I tried and I couldn't get the straws to work

you can use a lava bucket instead

[elder niche]

for what

[brave cairn]

to fuel blaze burners for free

[elder niche]

like item

[brave cairn]

yeah, a mech arm uses the lava bucket item on the blaze burners, then gets back an empty bucket, which you can refill with a spout

[elder niche]

hmm

i will try it out

[brave cairn]

@exotic wraith is this how you add nbt to a recipe output?

    event.shaped('ae2wtlib:wireless_universal_terminal', [
        'DED',
        'ABC',
        'DFD'
    ], {
        A: 'ae2:wireless_crafting_terminal',
        B: 'ae2wtlib:wireless_pattern_encoding_terminal',
        C: 'ae2wtlib:wireless_pattern_access_terminal',
        D: '#forge:plates/rhodium',
        E: 'gtceu:iv_sensor',
        F: 'gtceu:iv_emitter'
    })
    .modifyResult((craftingGrid, result) => {
        try {
            result.nbt.putInt("crafting", 1);
            result.nbt.putInt("pattern_access", 1);
            result.nbt.putInt("pattern_encoding", 1);
        }
        catch (exception) {
            console.log(exception)
        }
        return result;
    })
    .id('tfg:shaped/wireless_universal_terminal')```

@spiral lintel tom's stuff's all merged now 👍

[spiral lintel]

okay time to clone and merge locally and test out

I guess I'll have to copy the quest snbt files too into an instance

[brave cairn]

oops the lang files weren't merged yet

[brave cairn]

ok merged now, sorry about that

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Tools-Modern/tree/dev/LanguageMerger/LanguageFiles/tfg/en_us/Quests

[exotic wraith]

should work

you could also use Item.of

that has an ability to specify custom nbt data

[brave cairn]

ooh how?

[exotic wraith]

uhhh

i think its a string input?

i forgor

[coral vault]

you mean like this right? ```js
Item.of('minecraft:elytra', '{Damage:2045}').strongNBT()

the .strongNBT() part is only needed for inputs if i recall

[brave cairn]

ahh perfect

nice that worked

anyway is it time for another release, do you guys think?

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/blob/dev/CHANGELOG.md got quite a lot of changes

@rocky leaf just tested it, the keep setting works perfectly now, thank you!

[cosmic veldt]

do you think maybe my rubber audit could make it in haha

ive been working on it just now

[brave cairn]

haha sure, we have a bit of time for xikaro to get tfg-core up to CF first

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Core-Modern/pull/30 just made a pr for that

[cosmic veldt]

alright nice

[brave cairn]

did we figure something out for the latex temperatures, or what

[exotic wraith]

yup

that'd be it

i just had to use modify recipe due to the nature of how my grappling hook impl worked

couldnt make 2000 recipes for the mod

lol

[cosmic veldt]

latex temperatures?

[brave cairn]

afc's tree taps work by specifying climate conditions when the tree will make its product

[exotic wraith]

this' an issue?

[brave cairn]

right now:

• kapok requires 1c and makes 1mb
• rubber fig requires 12c and makes 2mb
• hevea requires 22c and makes 3mb

[exotic wraith]

ye

[brave cairn]

this can all be changed, but I'd like to avoid a situation like we had before, where people just couldn't progress at all if it was winter

[exotic wraith]

oh

i mean

its all just in the recipe

the recipes i made for the trees have it that way

[cosmic veldt]

yeah I added recipes to extract latex from logs/saplings/leaves

to replace the old one where you just got raw pulp from them

[brave cairn]

oh nebby to catch you up to speed, airrice wants to change the whole latex -> rubber process so it's more realistic

[exotic wraith]

ohh

i see

based

[cosmic veldt]

• ones to get latex from goldenrod and dandelions since apparently that's something that can be done

[brave cairn]

by extract do you mean the vacuum chamber? then what about tapping?

[cosmic veldt]

i left those too

but getting them from logs is more so going to feel like something you do during winter when it can't be tapped anymore rather than the main way you get latex

hopefully

[brave cairn]

oh, is that way going to be much more inefficient or something?

[cosmic veldt]

not super inefficient, but the latex output is going to be the best method by far

from tapping i mean

[brave cairn]

if it helps, the vacuumizer can output to the vacuum block itself instead of keeping it in the basin

[brave cairn]

@zealous atlas thanks for the tfg-core publish! Are beta builds more visible on curseforge? will everyone's main menu then say the latest will be 0.9? I would like 0.9.3 to be the first beta

[zealous atlas]

But there will be no beta, if you are ready to lead from alpha, the assembly will be immediately in the release branch, since from past experience, this confuses players, due to the fact that in github releases, there is no gradation alpha-beta-release

alpha = pre-release

Regarding the display, which is broken in 0.9.x

It displays versions marked as latest on GitHub, i.e. everything that is not a pre-release

Also, when we leave alpha, I will install the version on the server

[brave cairn]

ok, understood! I think we are ok for a release then - there's still some bugs, but they aren't critical

why do you think the display is broken? 😮 I haven't touched it

[zealous atlas]

after updating FancyMenu
I think it's worth releasing after the Create update

[brave cairn]

oh

hm, we are waiting on two other mods for that

create steam n rails, and create horse power

but.. create 6 would change around a whole bunch of things, so maybe it's for the best? so the release version of 0.9 won't have any more major changes

then 0.10 can be for the moon

idk

unless we make create 6 be 0.10, and the moon 0.11? lol

[brave cairn]

@zealous atlas it looks like you missed the version number here 🤔

[zealous atlas]

[brave cairn]

oo new panorama

it looks a little odd though, is that from 1.12?

[merry briar]

TFG on modrinth lets gooo

[brave cairn]

also there's a scrollbar here

[merry briar]

Will only the mod core be on modrinth or the modpack too?

[brave cairn]

not my decision

[zealous atlas]

yes it will be, but later, because of some mods

[brave cairn]

how do you make the panoramas? this new one looks like it's from 1.12?

[cosmic veldt]

steam and rails has no ETA even now, unfortunately it might be months before we even get that

[zealous atlas]

these are tfc 1.20 panoramas
You can make your own
https://docs.fancymenu.net/en/panoramas

[brave cairn]

cool thanks

[brave cairn]

yeah same, I don't think it's worth waiting on it

otherwise 0.9 might be in alpha for ages

[cosmic veldt]

at this point I wonder if we should just go ahead with releasing 0.9.4 with the create 6 stuff sans steam and rails

[brave cairn]

ehehe

[brave cairn]

I wouldn't mind as much if steam n rails didn't also have all that locometal that people can build with

if we just remove steam n rails, all those blocks just disappear

[cosmic veldt]

yeah 😔

[brave cairn]

anyway I'm ready to push out 0.9.3 if you wanna finish up your latex stuff 👍

might also be worth tweaking the tree tap numbers a bit so they work most of the year? and the vacuuming is more just to stop people getting stuck

[cosmic veldt]

yeah it might be worth increasing the temp ranges at least a little bit

just for some wiggle room

[brave cairn]

@cosmic veldt don't forget to put your langs into tools-modern too

[rocky leaf]

@brave cairn Approved on curseforge https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/tfc-punishment-for-death

[brave cairn]

awesome, thanks

are you uploading it to modrinth too? or just cf

[rustic thunder]

wait so if u die of starvation can u just end up in infinite loop if ur spawn isnt close to a river or other food

[rocky leaf]

I'll go check

[cosmic veldt]

I remember us talking about not doing langs for patchouli books a few days ago, do I just do these for the quest descs I changed?

[brave cairn]

that's right, patchouli does its own thing, all other langs for quests, items, block names, etc go in tools-modern

[cosmic veldt]

alright I just put in a PR on the tools-modern repo 👍

[brave cairn]

cheers

[rocky leaf]

death loop, bad, i fix it @brave cairn

[brave cairn]

ok let me know when cf updates

[spiral lintel]

let me merge my proofread as well, need to solve a crash for some testing first

[brave cairn]

ok ok

[spiral lintel]

crashed again

https://tenor.com/view/whyyy-gif-3239499918304579127

[brave cairn]

what's the crash?

[spiral lintel]

`# A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:

EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x00007ffc58feefca, pid=10256, tid=8264

JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment Microsoft-8035246 (17.0.8+7) (build 17.0.8+7-LTS)

Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Microsoft-8035246 (17.0.8+7-LTS, mixed mode, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class ptrs, g1 gc, windows-amd64)

Problematic frame:

C [ig9icd64.dll+0x90efca]

No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by default on client versions of Windows

An error report file with more information is saved as:

C:\Users\denet\AppData\Roaming\PrismLauncher\instances\alpha 0.9.2 take 10\minecraft\hs_err_pid10256.log

If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:

https://aka.ms/minecraftjavacrashes

The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code.

See problematic frame for where to report the bug.

[15:25:51] [Render thread/INFO] [mojang/GlDebug]: OpenGL debug message: id=1285, source=API, type=ERROR, severity=HIGH, message='Error has been generated. GL error GL_OUT_OF_MEMORY in (null): (ID: 173538523) Generic error'`

reinstall or removing oculus or tfc caelum didn't work

[brave cairn]

looks like you ran outta memory

[spiral lintel]

worked until yesterday but now doesn't

[brave cairn]

increase your java allocation?

[spiral lintel]

slight increase from 4096 to 4352 still didn't work. Not sure how much I can increase on a 8192 MB laptop

[cosmic veldt]

oof yeah that kinda sounds like the limit xd

[brave cairn]

try 6k?

[spiral lintel]

trying 5120

if i don't reply my laptop has exploded

[brave cairn]

RIP

[elder niche]

and then GregTech instakill from 0,0001% air pollution kicks in

[rocky leaf]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/sleep-tight

[zealous atlas]

@brave cairn
https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/tree/dev/kubejs/assets/tfg/lang
Is this just quest text?

[brave cairn]

no, it's a combination of quest text, item names, recipe names, blocks, materials... lots of things

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/951 I marked this as ready again 👍

[zealous atlas]

Can we at least split this into different folders?

[brave cairn]

we do, over here https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Tools-Modern/tree/dev/LanguageMerger/LanguageFiles/tfg - this tool merges it all for us

[spiral lintel]

@brave cairn merged my proofread as a PR, sorry for delay

[zealous atlas]

I'm raising weblate now, the plan is to move everything there

[brave cairn]

what's weblate

[zealous atlas]

https://weblate.org/

[brave cairn]

https://crowdin.com/project/minecraft-tfg we already have this

[zealous atlas]

I want to make it centralized

[brave cairn]

what's wrong with the tool we have in tools-modern? it's centralized and not on a different website

you can have as many files as you want, and the tool merges them all into the correct destination

[zealous atlas]

This makes it difficult for non-tech savvy users to access and is also controlled by third-party users.
Weblate will push commits directly to the modpack or mod repository.

[brave cairn]

oh, that part is nice

@pearl gale what do you think?

[rocky leaf]

fix added to cf

[pearl gale]

What is Crowding about? A very interesting tool for translation. Very easy to edit, it is possible to integrate with github. I wish it would automatically pull up Lang. If you update the file for translation, it will change all the lines without damaging the file. See other people's translations with similar words.

And now the cons. Some people may have a high entry threshold. The free version has the following limitations: 60k words (as I understand it, it doesn't matter if they are uploaded or translated). It is not possible to add users to manage the project.

This is just my opinion.

[copper solar]

The simple solution would be to have a minimum food threshold like 10-20% when respawning, rather than 0.

[cosmic veldt]

oh greate just got 0.0.40

https://github.com/GreateBeyondTheHorizon/Greate/releases/tag/0.0.40

Tiered millstones will now always output the first item in a recipe, regardless of if it is a chance output (MV and below will continue to not give byproducts) does this mean the first output will now always be output at 100% chance or am I misunderstanding this???

[brave cairn]

there was a bug where if the first output was, say, 50% chance, instead it would output zero (only affected the greate machines, the macerator worked fine)

[cosmic veldt]

yeah I'm just going to assume this means they fixed that bug

either way gotta test it now haha

[brave cairn]

yep

the 2nd and 5th bullets were requests of mine as well lol, and 6th was another bug I found

[cosmic veldt]

I think tfgcore on the create 6 branch is crashing due to mixin nonsense

https://tenor.com/view/spunch-bop-spongebob-crying-cube-mr-krabs-gif-19973394

it worked fine in the dev environment.......

[brave cairn]

the modpack branch or the core branch?

[cosmic veldt]

the core branch, I just built it to test with the newest pulled modpack changes and it started crashing

to be fair I never tested it in prod but I didn't expect it to crash

[brave cairn]

what's it crashing with?

[cosmic veldt]

I posted out about it in the create dev channel on the createcord but it was

Critical injection failure: @Inject annotation on tfg$use could not find any targets matching 'use(Lnet/minecraft/world/level/block/state/BlockState;Lnet/minecraft/world/level/Level;Lnet/minecraft/core/BlockPos;Lnet/minecraft/world/entity/player/Player;Lnet/minecraft/world/InteractionHand;Lnet/minecraft/world/phys/BlockHitResult;)Lnet/minecraft/world/InteractionResult;' in com.simibubi.create.content.kinetics.chainConveyor.ChainConveyorBlock.

[brave cairn]

did you remember to add create back to your workspace? I've done that before, when pakku fetching

otherwise I'm clueless, neither of us touched create in any other mixins

unless I fucked up the syntax of my boiler one somehow

[blazing swan]

looks like its what pyrite said, the modpack is missing Create mod, or create is back on 0.5 because of pakku fetch

[exotic wraith]

i might put the construction wand and gadgets into the misc category of tfg tips

[coral vault]

That would be cool. Seems like a lot of people didn't realize we added them

[elder niche]

true

thats what a "tips" section for

[blazing swan]

curious, is create 6 going to be 0.9.3? or are we waiting on greate

[cosmic veldt]

we're waiting on steam and rails which still has nothing close to an ETA for create 6 support, and we don't want to make saves with s&r's blocks in them incompatible, so create 6 is still months away at the earliest i presume

also unfortunately no, my error wasn't because of create not being 6.0.4 because it wouldn't even start otherwise

the game does start it's just hanging with the error message

[brave cairn]

yeah don't expect a strict order of create 6 then space

each will be done whenever they're done

[spiral lintel]

i can confirm 0.9 is much more laggier than 0.7. Loaded up fresh worlds in both, and I get constant lag spikes in 0.9 while 0.7 is super smooth

I think we should hold off adding more content mods besides space related stuff

[brave cairn]

huh, I've heard others say the opposite, where 0.9 is more performant for them

is yours with or without caelum?

[spiral lintel]

with caelum

[brave cairn]

try disabling that

[spiral lintel]

which btw was fixed with drivers update (the old caelum crashes)

but my recent crashes happen with or without caelum

so i cant test anything

[brave cairn]

but otherwise I agree we should be picky with any more mods

[brave cairn]

I'm eyeing a few for space, but they're just mods that add entities and stuff so they shouldn't impact performance, and most of them have stuff for multiple planets too

[coral vault]

Btw, don't know if you saw. But you can add new tfc animal entities with tfc kubejs

I have an idea of a few for venus

[brave cairn]

I briefly saw it but iirc it was only useful for things like farm animals?

[coral vault]

Yeah, obviously not useful if you want aggressive mobs

[brave cairn]

I like to mix in a few neutral ones too but otherwise yeah I don't have much else

what are you thinking of for venus?

feel free to grab some of those different endermen btw, I was gonna put different ones everywhere

they're handy thematic neutral mobs, and endermen can be interpreted as aliens so it works out

[merry briar]

will these endermen pick up blocks?

[spiral lintel]

who added the beneath panorama? Looks nice!

[spiral lintel]

Running the modpack off the dev branch using pakku solved all my crashing problems

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[coral vault]

@brave cairn do you know the cause of these errors in the space branch? fresh install

[blazing swan]

are we only waiting for steam'n'rails/ create actually launching? or is there other ports we are waiting for

[zealous atlas]

Will you be adding anything else in version 0.9.3?

Since it's coming out of alpha, it will be deployed to the server, so in case of bugs, there will be more tickets

[brave cairn]

no, I have them too, I didn't get around to looking at them yet

[brave cairn]

it's good to go!

[brave cairn]

yeah but it's just the usual vanilla thing of stuff like dirt, sand, stone, nothing important

[brave cairn]

meeeee

there's a few texture seams from the shaders but ehhhhh it's fine

[brave cairn]

I think it'd be cool if each new 0.x version got a new panorama showing off the new major thing in that patch lol

it's possible to set up multiple panoramas and have it randomly select them, that'd be neat too

[spiral lintel]

Is one of these recipes meant to not exist?

[brave cairn]

no, the top one is more for if you're in an area that doesn't have jute

[spiral lintel]

guy who still has jute but uses the top recipe

[gloomy elm]

So do we still want to incorpore the trophy in the recipe for each rocket?

I gonna wrap up lang files from quest then try to setup the instance with ad Astra

[brave cairn]

nahhh I think it's gonna be too annoying

[brave cairn]

I can't wait to see everyone on the server see half their stuff stop working

[coral vault]

[gloomy elm]

Yeah thats a lot of changes

But the funniest will definitely be all the boilers exploding

Oh did you remove the explosion?

[brave cairn]

I did ye

[gloomy elm]

😦

I mean

thanksfully but that would have been quite funny

[cosmic veldt]

what's the process for making new quests if we have a set process written down anywhere

gonna get on the create logistics questline now I think

[exotic wraith]

ngl seeing 0.9.3 being implemented on the official server is a bit wild

[brave cairn]

1. make the start of the chapter have no dependencies, so people can still start it if they mess up an earlier chapter
2. use the same lang string syntax as how the other quests are done
3. stick to consistent shapes like other quests
4. quests should be for goals and for showing things the player might not know, they shouldn't be for every step in the crafting process. You want them to be difficult to accidentally screw up

[exotic wraith]

I really wish i could continue workin on this kind of stuff but man are we getting REALLY busy at work atm

[brave cairn]

it's ok! I'm gonna be busy with some other stuff this month as well

[cosmic veldt]

so do I just name the quests the lang string in the quest book? and I assume it auto gets the string when the quests book fetches them

[brave cairn]

so if you put text like {quests.create.rose_quartz.title} as the title of a quest, it'll then look through the lang files to find the text for the current language

you need the {} around it for it to work

[cosmic veldt]

mm, alright

thats kind of how I assumed it worked but I just wanted to make sure because you never know with how string parsing works in different stuff

alright onto do some writing haha

oh and I fixed the mixin for coremod and it works on the prod build now! I'll probably put in a fix PR on the create6 branch

was just some silly stuff like me mixing into a minecraft method but not remapping, so the runtime got confused and tried to use unobfuscated method names and etc

[brave cairn]

ooh great

[gloomy elm]

who changed the bind for reload shadder :p

that's the best upgrade we did

[coral vault]

I'll fix the hide recipes. I apparently can't do math

[zealous atlas]

@brave cairn

[brave cairn]

send log?

[zealous atlas]

This is a clean install

[brave cairn]

[23:45:50] [Worker-ResourceReload-5/ERROR]: [Load My Fucking Tags] Couldn't load certain entries with the tag tfc:shovels: #minecraft:shovels (from KubeJS Custom Tags)
[23:45:50] [Worker-ResourceReload-5/ERROR]: [Load My Fucking Tags] Couldn't load certain entries with the tag tfc:axes: #minecraft:axes (from KubeJS Custom Tags)
[23:45:50] [Worker-ResourceReload-5/ERROR]: [Load My Fucking Tags] Couldn't load certain entries with the tag tfc:swords: #minecraft:swords (from KubeJS Custom Tags)
[23:45:50] [Worker-ResourceReload-5/ERROR]: [Load My Fucking Tags] Couldn't load certain entries with the tag tfc:hoes: #minecraft:hoes (from KubeJS Custom Tags)
[23:45:50] [Worker-ResourceReload-5/ERROR]: [Load My Fucking Tags] Couldn't load certain entries with the tag minecraft:pickaxes: #tfc:pickaxes (from TerraFirmaCraft-Forge-1.20.1-3.2.14.jar)

ok give me a moment, it should be safe to ignore for the moment

[gloomy elm]

It’s said in the changelog that MEGA items were changed but which one exactly ?

Im thinking about redoing some work on AE2 quests and recipes with space coming

Well coming

[brave cairn]

this is the main one, it needed a singularity before

[gloomy elm]

I mean now that’s it’s one of the next step

[brave cairn]

now it just needs a naquadah plate

[gloomy elm]

Oh I see

[brave cairn]

which iirc just needs hss coils?

[gloomy elm]

I guess it’s around there

Singularity needed HV only though ?

Or maybe the component needed 64k ?

[brave cairn]

nope, you need the 64k drive

[gloomy elm]

I understand and this one is gated quite late I guess

[brave cairn]

yeah, so previously it needed luv, now it needs IV

which is nice, because IV's when you're hugely expanding everything with multis, so the MEGA interfaces/patprovs are real handy then

[gloomy elm]

Make sense yeah

[brave cairn]

@zealous atlas try this

[zealous atlas]

and you didn't have this during development and testing?

[brave cairn]

I did, but my workspace is sometimes messy from all the shit I do ahaha

so it's usually just that

but yes I will remember to check for this in the future 👍

[copper solar]

I was looking to tackle https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/issues/897

I guess kubejs is used to overwrite recipes? So I go find the original recipes from gt first?

[brave cairn]

yep! there's an EMI setting to turn on recipe IDs

so you'll just need to find that, and make a new recipe that has the same ID in kubejs, and it'll overwrite it

[gloomy elm]

We could just buff everything though

[copper solar]

there's no recipe id for these boiler fuels. i think it might be hardcoded somewhere through temperature interactions with the boilers and fuels

[brave cairn]

I took a quick peek in the moni github but didn't see any mention of creosote, tom

[cosmic veldt]

knowing how GT does materials this would make sense I think

[spiral lintel]

someone approve the lang changes in the Tools repo so ppl in the dev branch don't get jumpscared by the "quests.x.y.title" 🙏

[copper solar]

I'm slowly following the code and trying to identify where the 17x loss of efficiency/faster burn time between the lbb and liquid steam boiler is coming from. But I'm not certain even if I do find it how to overwrite or change it... Anyways still gotta find it first.

where does https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/blob/dev/config/gtceu.yaml come from? I don't suppose there is a seperate reference for additional config lines that aren't included in this file...

[gloomy elm]

No reason that solid fuel is ten times less efficient

[gloomy elm]

What do you mean?

[gloomy elm]

I already saved a file to buff the boilers

[topaz jacinth]

If such place exists, where may i find any/all of these:
all aditions to 0.94
whats planned for 1.0
1.0 will be the next/last update? any betas in between?
1.0 ETA

[gloomy elm]

There is a change log on GitHub

[topaz jacinth]

ty

[brave cairn]

wasn't it you who said before that moni buffed creo in the LBB? or did I forgor

[gloomy elm]

1.0 won’t be the last update but when space and Create 6 comes out that should the last massive change

[gloomy elm]

Yeah well I think they buffed all of them

[brave cairn]

create 6 and each planet will probably be their own big releases

[gloomy elm]

But I also have the file to buff only one fuel

[brave cairn]

so like, 0.10, 0.11, etc

then 1.0 is when space is all finished

[copper solar]

Mind pointing me to it?

[topaz jacinth]

is pollution enabled in the server?

[gloomy elm]

I can do that tomorrow if u okay with it

Im not home

[copper solar]

Is it from this? https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/pull/1019

[brave cairn]

nah that's thermal dynamics

(I didn't even know moni was using thermal)

[copper solar]

ah maybe this one then https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/pull/1678

[brave cairn]

ooh that looks like it

keeping it the same x18 factor instead of x20 sounds good imo

[copper solar]

they dropped it to 16 after

well i'm gonna look at our numbers a bit more in depth too before rushing a change

Overall my reality check line of thought is that a small steam boiler should probably heat up quicker/use fuel faster but be less efficient in terms of steam generated per fuel amount than a large boiler. So the large boiler takes more time to get up to speed, but you'll get more out of your fuel if you manage to keep it running and hot.

[gloomy elm]

I think it’s large boiler is faster though

[copper solar]

right now the small boilers are mega efficient in terms of fuel, you put in one bucket of creosote and it lasts a looong time

yes, faster, but per steam output mb

the capacity of the large one is still a ton more

[gloomy elm]

By 16 seems quite okay

[copper solar]

but the equivalent output of the small boilers to get the same amount of steam as the large boiler should use more fuel total

spreadsheet time!

[gloomy elm]

If someone is motivated enough to make tons of large steam turbine so be it

[pallid moat]

Got an issue, or maybe I am dum: I updated to the beta version and everything was on fire as expected with pollution and greate, but more concerningly, when the pollution inevitably did kill me, my body and everything with it simply vanished? Somehow my backpack and tool belt remained with me but everything else is completely gone. We have backups from just before we updated so it's not a problem, but still.

[quaint mesa]

So is there a preference of Ambiental over say Cold Sweat? I know someone made a compat patch for CS for TFC.

[brave cairn]

I think this might be an issue with tfc-death-punishment and PlayerRevive, not sure

either that or pollution and PlayerRevive

[brave cairn]

cold sweat is too "swingy", you can go from freezing to boiling really quickly in a way that doesn't make much sense

it's fine if you really want temperature to be a big part of your survival modpack (which is why hardrock uses it), but here, I like that it's more just a background thing

[brave cairn]

@rocky leaf your mod is causing issues with PlayerRevive

xikaro just removed it from the server, and then the problems went away

[rocky leaf]

I'll handle the integration with PlayerRevive. I think I've found the issue: we’re using the same events—LivingDeathEvent and PlayerRespawnEvent

[rocky leaf]

I have fully completed the greenhouse mixins and added water conductivity through the port

[brave cairn]

ooh awesome! we'll have to unhide the ports and add recipes for them again

[rocky leaf]

Well, the PR is sent. Time to go to sleep

[brave cairn]

thank you very much!

[copper solar]

Should the blue steel diving suit have hazard protection? Since it lets me swim in lava and all...

[coral vault]

I'd say no? Better to still incentive making hazmat gear at that point in the game

[brave cairn]

don't wanna make the face mask/rubber gloves entirely useless

[coral vault]

Yupp. And diving suit isn't even that far in the pack. You'd probably make it before even having to worry about hazards that much

[brave cairn]

does it make sense thematically? no lol, but that's ok

the mask and gloves are curios, so you can have all of it at the same time

[copper solar]

No problem, just a passing thought. Never mind me 😉 (as I consider making a death chunk for large boilers)

[elder niche]

congrats with release

daaaaamn

thats HOT

literally

[brave cairn]

they're surprisingly easy to make, too

[elder niche]

nice

but now TFG looks kind like techno-magic pack

[stray knot]

Make a new panorama for each planet release? 🤔

[brave cairn]

I was thinking that, yeah

apparently there's a way to have multiple panoramas that it can randomly pick between

it'd be nice to have a bunch of overworld ones too

...maybe whenever the structures are all done 👀

[elder niche]

yeah i was thinking about that too in this moment

During updates to planets, we can add panoramas with this planet, but make it the main one, and then when updates are off-topic (after or between updates to planets), make sure that all panoramas have the same chance of appearing.

[brave cairn]

I don't know if it's possible to give them different weights

[elder niche]

we can delete and re add them if we want

new anomaly found lol

[coral vault]

Bro glimpsed another reality

[brave cairn]

wtf happened there

[elder niche]

beneath from 0.8 wants his screen time too, and he's not going to leave)

[brave cairn]

haha your world has so much extra stuff in it I wouldn't be surprised

[elder niche]

i like that

LORE

bro ta hell with this waves

[brave cairn]

🫨

[elder niche]

mine ghott

yay new friend

reflections lol

[brave cairn]

that one's a rendering issue with gregtech

[elder niche]

what POI beneath have ?

wow. I accidentally bumped into Chromite. I really missed him...

[brave cairn]

3 top layer biomes, 3 bottom layer biomes, and bastions

lush caves can have kaolin, spider one has easy string, mushroom one has tons of clay
bottom ones are a bit more similar but can have lots of charcoal and ash sitting on the ground

[elder niche]

amm. My radar doesn't work properly . I cant choose specific ore

[brave cairn]

known issue, no clue why it's happening though

[elder niche]

GT happend

[brave cairn]

apparently it works fine if you only have gt

[spiral lintel]

i had the same issue with the fluid mode even in 0.7

[elder niche]

dudes are chilling

But still... Why carbon from latex? Is this definitely not a mistake?

[brave cairn]

yes, because a lot more trees give resin now, but only the rubber trees should give raw rubber

this slot used to be carbon, now it's rubber

[elder niche]

i see

[brave cairn]

whereas for others like fir logs, you get rosin instead

or maple sugar from maple logs

[elder niche]

new friend enjoing his new home 💖

[copper solar]

Time to set up pakku. Hope this is painless ><

[coral vault]

Not too difficult, feel free to ask if you need help 👌

[elder niche]

pakku?

[copper solar]

to build from source

[coral vault]

Pakku is the tool we use to manage mods for the pack in a dev environment

[elder niche]

oh yea yea

I remember now

[copper solar]

So jei says the recipe for creosote in steam boiler is 360s/250mB, but the high pressure steam boiler actually consumes it in 180s. Anyone familiar if the large boilers have any hidden multipliers too and/or where the numbers live? The steam output between the low pressure and high pressure is not a factor of 2, even though the consumption is...

Means the lbb was only 9 times less efficient than the liquid steam boiler instead of 18 times. But if the LBB has it's own multiplier somewhere that number would be wrong too.

[copper solar]

kinda want to make a blue steel flask that can hold 3 servings of unspoiling soup but that's probably way above my pay grade XD

[brave cairn]

that sounds tricky yeah

[copper solar]

The other idea I just had was bluesteel tongs not having durability

or maybe red+blue steel, one tong part from each hah. that would be a bit silly though. then again there is The Bucket...

[cosmic veldt]

Mixed Steel Tongs would be a nice sendoff to the whole metalcasting era tbh

same thing as bucket, need to weld red+blue tong parts together and then weld the mixed steel tong parts again

[brave cairn]

not like it's any useful at that point 😔

[cosmic veldt]

true but, by the same logic it's not like a creative drawer is useful by the point you get them in those modpacks that cap themselves off with creative items :P

i think it would be neat just as a kind of "graduation" item

like hey you managed to do everything to get to this point, well done, here's a cool thing if you ever want to manually smith something again

[brave cairn]

bucket 2 lol

sure, go ahead if you want

[copper solar]

I'm in lv and I still pick up hot things occasionally. I'll look into adding it once I learn how

[cosmic veldt]

we just need to make it have the insulating tag but no durability like the blowpipe used to have before that bug was fixed

and the rest would just be adding items and their textures + their smithing recipes

[brave cairn]

yeah, I think if you just make an item and give it the insulating tag, it should work?

[copper solar]

crashed twice just now (0.9.2) - attempting to jei craft rebar support. Guess it's time to update and see if it happens in 0.9.4 https://mclo.gs/E1RZvEh

or if anyone else can check really quick to see if it's reproducible

[coral vault]

I know this issue was reported with the bone needle too. Not really sure the cause of these issues. other than the connection of the ingredients being damaged?

Which recipe are you using?

[brave cairn]

it might just be new a bug with emi, we did update it a bunch recently 🤔

[copper solar]

rebar support

[coral vault]

The crafting table one or the assembler?

[copper solar]

mm backpack craft. i don't actually get to click on the + to add the craft, just hovering crashed. i think. I'll try again in 0.9.4

[copper solar]

I took a crack at updating the overview description

The Ultimate Survival Modpack

TerraFirmaGreg-Modern is a challenging and realistic Minecraft 1.20.1 modpack that combines TerraFirmaCraft and GregTech Modern for loads of content with progression from the stone age to space age. A huge selection of quality of life mods have been included as well for a superior Minecraft experience, including quest progression and an in-game field guide. Many TFG specific balance adjustments have been applied in consideration for the smooth integration of included mods.

TerraFirmaCraft - Progress from the stone age to the steel age with vastly expanded, in-depth crafting and survival mechanics as well as completely overhauled world generation.
GregTech Modern - Continuing progress with advanced metals through chemistry and science. With huge multiblock machines!
Applied Energistics -
Create - Bring your factory automation to life with fantastic and elaborate contraptions! Implemented with Greate in consideration for GregTech technology tier balancing.
Ad Astra - To space, and beyond! (Coming Soon Tomorrow™️)

TerraFirmaGreg-Vintage - TFG modpack for Minecraft 1.12.

I don't have a description for applied energistics since I haven't interacted with it at all yet T_T

Any other major mods that deserve mention?

Also a little hesitant on using "realistic", people seem to latch on to that for better or worse.

[coral vault]

New description: "Someone copied RLCraft? 😱"

[copper solar]

More details (updated 0.9.4) - it works fine in the inventory, 2x2 craft. It crashes in backpack craft - I have all the items available but after opening the rebar support in JEI the + button is greyed out, and the crash occurs when I hover over it. It crashes in a crafting table too. Very consistant and reproducible on my machine

[coral vault]

Yeah, same thing as the bone needle crash then

🤔

[coral vault]

alright managed to fix it by removing the damage_input condition (since only tfc tools need it). Still crashed with the bone needle and idk why

[brave cairn]

interesting!

good catch that it's that, I wouldn't have guessed

[coral vault]

Seems pretty inconsistent. But it's always recipes that use tools

[brave cairn]

so the way I see it, there's a couple fixes:

1. tell emi about it in case it's a bug on their end
2. tell tfc about it in case it's a bug on their end
3. change needles and chisels into gregtech tools, which means we won't need the damage inputs crafting at all

[brave cairn]

it's better than what we have, imo! Mind if I take yours and expand on it a bit?

[spiral lintel]

mentioning greate would be nice too

[brave cairn]

I'd like to get another small update out to fix the critical issues with dying and rubber being impossible

I'll do some of those quest fixes tonight then I can send it off to xikaro unless there's any objections

[cosmic veldt]

sounds good

[brave cairn]

fyi I also turned off pollution because I don't think GT implements it very well

in its current state it isn't interesting and I really don't like how it just instantly kills you instead of adding slow effects over time or something

if it gets improved, I would be fine with turning it back on again

[rocky leaf]

I did the integration, but how do I check if the bug has been fixed? Any ideas?

[spiral lintel]

wasn't the bug with multiplayer? you might have to set up a server

[brave cairn]

yeah, it only happens in multiplayer with the PlayerRevive mod

[exotic wraith]

ok

actually

@spiral lintel wrent you having performance issues with the modpack recently?

or was it someone else

[spiral lintel]

was me but on an older version (i believe 0.9.2) but the dev version runs relatively smoothly now

[exotic wraith]

I see

@brave cairn we might want to add Spark https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/spark

i've used it before to identify big issues like

i recall in a server with a friend shit was so bad til we noticed the quark feeding through performance was fucking shit

so we removed it and lag went significantly low

[brave cairn]

does it need to be added to pakku? this feels like something you add to diagnose a problem and then uninstall afterwards

[exotic wraith]

i've seen modpacks with it built in

so i think it might be a good idea

[brave cairn]

🤔 iunno, feels like it would be more useful to ask the people who have trouble to try it out

since they're the ones with the problems

[cosmic veldt]

it would be useful to have people run a command and give us their log for debugging etc

[gloomy elm]

Spark makes all the mac users crash

Though most of us know that it does so we just remove it right away

Btw Pyritie Moni team scrap their nuclear mod project in favor of waiting for GTm ones but made a kubejs multiblock in which you can modify the size a a waiting one

Im sure we could ask nicely and that would work wonders for us

[brave cairn]

the size a a waiting one?

[gloomy elm]

I don’t know what I was trying to say

You can customize the size like the cleanroom

[zealous atlas]

https://juraj-hrivnak.github.io/Pakku/config-file.html#project_export

you can set export = false for it, like for probejs

[brave cairn]

oh neat

[gloomy elm]

To test space is it still directly from your fork or the space branch on the main repository ?

[brave cairn]

nobody should be using my forks any more

check out the space fork, fetch your pakku, then ignore it and change your ad astra version to the one before latest (I couldn't get pakku to use the right one)

[gloomy elm]

sounds good thanks

[cosmic veldt]

I'm very scared of messing with pakku because it's overwritten all my mod versions before but if I wanted to make my create 6 branch have the proper required pakku what would I have to run?

like the mod jars and everything else

so it could run for yall too

[brave cairn]

I think all you'd need to do is like
java -jar pakku.jar update create for example

then just make sure pakku fetches matching CF and MR versions

you can specify them exactly with --cf and --mr

like java -jar pakku.jar add create --cf ##### --mr 6.9.420

then do a fetch once you've added/updated everything

[gloomy elm]

I'm lost we can't teleport to other dimensions in Java Minecraft?

[brave cairn]

what?

#💬│modern-chat-en message

you just do this

I do it all the time

[gloomy elm]

oh nvm found it

yeah thanks while i was looking on google i thought execute was some bedrock edition command

I'm seeing a lot of recipes already gregified is that place holder ?

lol

[brave cairn]

for ad astra? some are placeholder, some are done, a lot is unfinished

and yeah mars is a mess rn lol

[exotic wraith]

sounds like a mac issue tbh

[brave cairn]

@rocky leaf I'll disable death penalty for 0.9.5, then maybe we can test it out on nebby's server this weekend if they're around? to check the multiplayer issues

[exotic wraith]

i can help out with updating the server yeah

considering i'm the only one able to

[brave cairn]

thanks!

[brave cairn]

aw, hecuba isn't updating to 0.9 💔

[coral vault]

Dang 🥀

[brave cairn]

maybe one of these days I should visit flurben's server, since he's there too

[coral vault]

Is that server updated to 0.9?

[brave cairn]

discord server I mean

though their tfg server didn't have any of my terrariums so

@cosmic veldt https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Tools-Modern/pull/10 when you have a moment

[spiral lintel]

you saw my comment that he replied to

[brave cairn]

loool was that you

[coral vault]

Looked good to me, I'll leave it open if airrice still wants to review it.

[brave cairn]

oops I clicked merge

[coral vault]

It's over now 😔 pack is ruined

[elder niche]

@exotic wraith

"well, for example, in the Latex Trees quest it says that you need to look at a suitable tree, but in fact you need to assemble it."

how dare u...

😂

fooling the poor newbies... What a horror

[exotic wraith]

you... dont assemble the tree

that doesnt work

i dont get the message

[gloomy elm]

I think it does work ?

[exotic wraith]

i think it requires natural leaves for it to detect a "valid" tree

[gloomy elm]

I saw lot of people doing and getting crash out of it lol

[exotic wraith]

not handmade placed leaves

[exotic wraith]

what the fuck?

[gloomy elm]

there was talk about that last week in the general eng chat

[brave cairn]

whuh

tom I tink some of your quests may have gotten lost in a merge somewhere

[exotic wraith]

before this

[brave cairn]

lemme see if I can find them

[exotic wraith]

try selecting another quest line

then back to it

do more quests appear?

out of the blue?

[brave cairn]

like a git branch?

oh

no, looks the same

[exotic wraith]

like, switch back and forth from stone to tips

ok good

then likely some quests prolly got lost

[brave cairn]

so not good!

[exotic wraith]

i mean

its better than the other alternative

[gloomy elm]

oh fuck

[exotic wraith]

back when i was doing the stone age rework the "primitive age" questline (the bad one) had invalid item IDs

[gloomy elm]

fingers crossed that I still have the file lol

[exotic wraith]

which caused quests to appear suddenly if i switched quest lines

and if i clicked one of those "phantom" quests

the game would crash

which i think its worse than probably a merge issue

[gloomy elm]

let's see I'm loading the old file let's see

thanks god

well it's still a mess

[brave cairn]

ok phew

can you just send me that file?

[gloomy elm]

We still have hazard right?

or it's linked to pollution

[brave cairn]

nope I'm stupid and never actually checked the configs

they are indeed separate

[gloomy elm]

at the end of day it would have been fine to remove everything but well

I like hazard

even if they are not greatly implemented

[brave cairn]

yeah they're at least tolerable

[copper solar]

The problem with pollution is that the way it is now is that it's both unintuitive and undocumented, leaving not much for the player to go on.

[brave cairn]

there, that's a bit less cramped

[coral vault]

Make sure that the newer quest remain 👍 can already see that the walking cane is gone, unless you moved it

[brave cairn]

I moved it to the left

everything else look ok?

[gloomy elm]

looks much better

Damn I need to do the lang file on these too

[cosmic veldt]

ahhh sorry my friends and i were playing vintage story 😭

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/969

[gloomy elm]

I began to play a bit with materials creation

it's impressive how strong GT is with kubejs to make new stuff

[spiral lintel]

it was like this before 0.9.4 in the dev branch

oh nvm you fixed it

[brave cairn]

as fiddly as it is sometimes, I do really love the materials system

saves you so much time

[gloomy elm]

lots to learn though it's really too bad there isn't any up to date wiki :p

And I need to restart the game everytime I modify one line to see what happens lol

Hmmm I’m having difficulty making the Blast furnace recipe with auto generation

I need to go have a look at other modpacks and see what I mess up

[cosmic veldt]

oh right speaking of blast furnaces

it'd be nice if we could change the red steel/blue steel/black steel recipes to just give the ingots instead of hot ingots

it's a bit odd that the arc furnace can do it without issue but the blast furnace makes you have to cool them down

unless them being fast is a worthwhile tradeoff, personally i say it isnt

[gloomy elm]

Yeah that make sense

It’s because red and blue steel were HV alloy before

The recipe with the arc furnace was just add as a shorter way

[cosmic veldt]

yeah it makes sense in GT's internal logic (its funny because I think they were grandfathered in from GT5u compat stuff)

[gloomy elm]

You could also lower the voltage at the same

Time

[cosmic veldt]

I think it's already low? I think it's LV

which was even more odd to me because it's LV but puts out hot ingots way way before youre gonna vacuum cooler anything

[gloomy elm]

Check but I’m pretty sure it’s still hv

[cosmic veldt]

I know we added the ore washer recipes to cool those but still

[brave cairn]

it's less that they need to be changed and more that they need to be removed - those are leftovers from gregtech

[cosmic veldt]

oh I see we just added the arc furnace recipes for the dusts in post on our side

yeah we can look into removing those

I remember in nomi they made it so signalum you needed red steel for and enderium you needed blue steel for.. or something like that

it was cool

[gloomy elm]

We could still keep them just in case

Oh well I guess you can get the multi arc furnace

Nvm

Removing it is

[brave cairn]

if it's possible to change them to just need like, cupronickel coils and no extra cooling, that'd be fine too

but otherwise yeah, removing is prob easiest

[cosmic veldt]

more for convenience than anything yep because it would let people mass smelt alloys through a blast furnace setup if they wanted to

[gloomy elm]

Well there is still the multi arc furnace as I said

but if you modify the recipe that works too yeah

[brave cairn]

you might need to dig into the gt code a little to see if there's a way to modify the EBF recipes

.blastTemp() is meant to be paired together with .ingot(). Will generate a EBF recipe (and an ABS recipe) based on the parameters you give it:
temperature -> dictates what coil tier it will require (check the coil tooltips for their max temperature). If the temperature is below 1000, it will also generate a PBF recipe. If temperature is above 1750, a hot ingot will be generated, this requiring a Vacuum Freezer.
(optional) gas tier -> can be null for none, 'low' for nitrogen, 'mid' for helium, 'high' for argon, 'higher' for neon or 'highest' for krypton.
(optional) EU per tick -> the recipe voltage
(optional) duration in ticks -> how long the recipe should take

[gloomy elm]

yeah that's what i'm following to make my ingot but I don't get the ebf recipe -_-

[copper solar]

If death penalty comes back down the line I think the minimum hunger on respawn could use a slight buff, feeling pretty pressured to prepare food after dying even when I have ingredients ready in my base. probably much much worse for people who don't have immediate access to food.

[gloomy elm]

from looking to other modpack it seems people are making custom recipe for the ebf

Maybe it's bugged out I dunno

but some others have it working right away

i'm confuse

I gonna make custom recipe with the EBF damn it whatever

[brave cairn]

tried asking in the gt server?

[gloomy elm]

That’s a good idea

[copper solar]

hmm i dont suppose we touched greenhouse recipes? seems kinda weird that most of the metal greenhouse pieces need tempered glass but the base block doesn't. and tempered glass need ebf/arc furnace?

so i can make copper and iron greenhouses, but i can't make them pretty until lv

(the roof and roof top pieces use normal glass with the wood greenhouse)

ooooooh jk i'm dumb there's a glassworking recipe

[gloomy elm]

If you ask me we could make the greenhouse easier to build

It’s the Community One

It doesn’t look that good

[brave cairn]

it's mostly just dirt, steel, and glass

[coral vault]

I think this is fixed for 9.5

[gloomy elm]

I think it's too big

[copper solar]

The bigger a greenhouse is, the better it looks imo. Small greenhouses are too noisy for the walls

[gloomy elm]

yeah idk it looks a bit empty

[copper solar]

Well gotta fill it with planters and plants then :]

Or maybe compost bins in the meantime

[gloomy elm]

noo

i'm speaking about the gregtech one

I love the Terrafirma one

[copper solar]

Ooohh sorry I misunderstood

[gloomy elm]

i'm fucking dumb I used the no_smelting function and was confuse why it didn't work

[gloomy elm]

ahah no worries

[rocky leaf]

I'll leave it here for now

[brave cairn]

lol whoooops

[brave cairn]

cool, thanks

[brave cairn]

@coral vault you're the local js expert, right? what's the best way to wait on a condition without locking up the main thread? we keep running into this annoying race condition with gt's material registration

I've brought it up to the GT devs - one acknowledges it but thinks the bandaid we currently have fixes it (it does not), the other denies it

[exotic wraith]

so

0.9.5 is out

do i update the private server?

[cosmic veldt]

ooh sounds good might be time to revisit that for awhile

[gloomy elm]

I would love if we go back

I didn't want to play on it while not everyone was there

[exotic wraith]

maybe!

i need to concentrate at work rn however

and also i'm going to go AWOL on thursday/friday

[brave cairn]

update it with the punishment for death jar up above pls, so we can test it

[coral vault]

I'm not sure how it's done now, or what we need. Which file is it?

[brave cairn]

server scripts/gregtech/utilities.js I think

the method for looping over materials

there's some conditions at the top, but we need to actually wait until those are true instead of just skipping if they're false

sorry still at work so I don't have the code

[elder niche]

mamma mia.... finally.. no more problems with chromium🤯🤯🤯

god bless beneath

ahahah

[edgy sierra]

is it normal that there isn't any server pack on curseforge for the latest version?

[brave cairn]

maybe it's still being approved, I don't know, curseforge is slow sometimes

[elder niche]

@brave cairn is this GT change or not? (now poor ore cant be processed if u have only 1 unit)

its sucks

[brave cairn]

it's a workaround for a bug with greate

[edgy sierra]

is there a guide on doing it with pakku and the github repo?

[elder niche]

its clogging my machines

☠️

[brave cairn]

use a robot arm so they only input poor ores if you have two

there's a new kind of filter that checks recipe types too

you can use it for electrolyzers so I'm excited for that lol

[elder niche]

yeah

[rustic thunder]

idk why my chat is there rn
but i agree

[elder niche]

we can get rid of that?

[brave cairn]

anyway let's keep this thread for modpack dev stuff and not 0.9 gameplay questions 🙏

[elder niche]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-a-name-jubal-valentine-fbi-i-need-a-name-give-me-a-name-gif-26087918

that thing?

[brave cairn]

yeah with the green toilet paper

[elder niche]

its foil

[coral vault]

this one right? ```js
function forEachMaterial(iterator) {
if (GTMaterialRegistry.getPhase() === $MRM.Phase.CLOSED || GTMaterialRegistry.getPhase() === $MRM.Phase.FROZEN) {
GTMaterialRegistry.getRegisteredMaterials().forEach(material => {
iterator(material)
})
}
}

[brave cairn]

🧻

[brave cairn]

yep that's the one

[coral vault]

k, ill look into it

[brave cairn]

thank you 🙏

[coral vault]

so the issue is that we need to wait for the condition to be true and we cant skip over it if its false becuase there is some sort of delay? or?

[brave cairn]

if we skip over it, then a load of recipes don't get set up

[coral vault]

becuase we have to wait for them to be closed or frozen right?

hmm unfortunately I dont think there is anything we can do

Kubejs does not support await or setTimeout() or setInterval()

and a while loop would make the whole server freeze

[brave cairn]

yep

[brave cairn]

wouldn't the GT stuff be happening in its own thread though? otherwise there wouldn't even be a race condition

[elder niche]

In general, it really works, apparently. It's a convenient thing, but for some reason it ignores biotite again.

[coral vault]

as far as i know it doesnt matter. Kubejs uses the main thread and is not thread safe

however you may be able to defer the thread. Ill need to look at how minecraft handles it rq

[copper solar]

Would it be difficult to allow greg wrenches be allowed to change create vacuum chamber mode? That one tripped me up for a while before someone told me i needed a create wrench. Not sure if there are other machines with similar requirement.

[coral vault]

hmm. No dice. Dont think you can defer a thread through a java type with kubejs

[brave cairn]

dammit

maybe there's something that could be done with a java event, but then you'd need some way of keeping kjs's recipe callback alive... argg

[brave cairn]

I have no idea what item VI is looking for - it might need a mixin

[cosmic veldt]

same with making mech crafters connect to each other in the back

i know gt wrenches cant do that

[coral vault]

I'll keep brainstorming at work

[copper solar]

Also some funky farming stuff now that I'm invested into my greenhouses: pumpkin plants don't seem to give extra seeds after mature/killed (nm just bad rng). A bone in an empty compost bin instantly makes rotten compost, but you can't get it out without breaking the bin. Minor stuff that we probably don't need to worry about here but I thought I'd mention it, dunno if it was always like this or something in 0.9 made it wonky.

[coral vault]

Also the material function should fire before the recipes right? right now there is no set order so I think its randomly firing after

[brave cairn]

same with picking up minecart contraptions

[brave cairn]

a gt dev told me that the material stuff is a startup script, not a server script

[coral vault]

Huh, well it's in server scripts

[brave cairn]

try sneak right clicking for the compost?

[brave cairn]

I mean the material system itself happens during startup, and I guess in this case it's still not done by the time we get into server?

[coral vault]

Possibly. What I mean is that when the forEachMaterial function gets called in the recipes it should happen after the utility function. And right now the priority order isn't set

[copper solar]

yep, empty offhand/hand. it clears the "this composter is smelly and needs to be emptied" message, but the rottom compost doesn't come out

[brave cairn]

I don't understand anything about priorities so if you know anything about them that'd help a lot 👍

[copper solar]

i'm gonna try on my actual real composted compost in a day when it's ready

[copper solar]

Ok so it works fine as expected when I add bones to completed/full compost to make it rotton compost. I think the bug is that throwing bones into an empty composter instantly makes an rotten compost with no compost block actually in the bin.

[copper solar]

hmmmm. did planter yields get reversed somehow or am i in rng denial again? i seem to be getting more than one seed from them, but always one vegetable

[brave cairn]

firmalife moment

[copper solar]

maybe i'll just hop on over there... i'm extremely invested into my greenhouse now that i actually got around to making it XD

i also keep standing under my sprinklers looking up to drink but it doesnt work hahaha

[gloomy elm]

Tracking the way to make Biotite from Stone dust as it could be use to make Fluorine.

From EMI I'm getting this ratio

It's quite low at HV and may be close to negligeable

do we want to remove it anyway or we fine keeping it

[exotic wraith]

hello chat

i'm going to update the server to 0.9.5

gonna update in 4 mins

no clue if anyone's online so yeah

[coral vault]

Schweet

Too bad I spend more time working on the pack than playing it...

[exotic wraith]

thats the nature of being a contributor

😔

[coral vault]

Alright, I quit. Good luck everyone 🙋

[brave cairn]

big mood

[brave cairn]

don't forget, you're here forever

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn what was the mod you wanted me to add for testing purposes?

[gloomy elm]

#1331744604701069393 message

[brave cairn]

#1331744604701069393 message

dammit too slow

😭

[gloomy elm]

ahah

[brave cairn]

but yeah the config for this should already be in the /configs folder

[exotic wraith]

is that an actual mod in curseforge?

that'd make it a lot easier to add on my end

[brave cairn]

yes, though the cf version has a bug with PlayerRevive, which this attachment is supposed to fix, which is why we're testing it

[exotic wraith]

got it

[brave cairn]

and since PlayerRevive effectively doesn't exist in single player, the cf version works fine

buuuut then when it was pushed to the server, people started dying twice and getting empty corpses

[gloomy elm]

which is problematic we can all agree lol

[brave cairn]

yeah thankfully we caught it early and xikaro removed it from the server, and the affected player was far enough that they could craft their stuff back, but still

[exotic wraith]

is the uhh

mod server side only?

the one i just added

or do i need to download it manually for my client

[brave cairn]

uhhh possibly

[exotic wraith]

only one way to find out :D

[brave cairn]

also man why the fuck is chorus plant so annoying to inject into

[coral vault]

Btw want to leave sculk for wetware planet? Could recolor it all red

Wet warden