🚀EN - 1.20 Modpack Contribution Megathread

[gloomy elm]

so

[brave cairn]

well the crushing wheels speed up the maceration too

[gloomy elm]

at least it can't do more than a stack at a time this one

[merry briar]

dont know what are you planning but having cheap stress in normal create is pretty easy

[brave cairn]

yeah they're a bit less crazy lol

[brave cairn]

greate changes that significantly

[merry briar]

you can make a lot of crushing wheels spin very fast

okay

good thing that transporting items doesnt consume stress

at least in vanilla I hope greate doesnt add that

[brave cairn]

haha nah that's still free

[merry briar]

are enderpearls and breeze charges obtainable?

and iron golems spawneable?

[brave cairn]

Pearls yes, you can craft their dust and make the pearls in HV. The nether has endermen but they only drop the dust.
Breezes are in 1.21, so no
Iron golems are disabled

[merry briar]

oh right, 1.20.1

I wanted to build this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxEMNUu06bk

[brave cairn]

if that's relying on the newer pearl mechanics then those are also 1.21 iirc

[merry briar]

no

but they need breeze charges

not sure if you can make it work with other projectiles

[spiral lintel]

were new quests added for tfg tips in 0.9.2?

[brave cairn]

uhhh I think the GT section has a few now?

otherwise I think most of the quest changes were just to lv/mv

[spiral lintel]

also is anyone else's prism launcher messed up for curseforge?

[gloomy elm]

Didn’t have the issue

[spiral lintel]

well i can't directly download from prism or even import the zip file???

For the former the version select is blank, for the latter it says it has errors resolving mod ids

[brave cairn]

curseforge seems to be shitting itself at the moment

[gloomy elm]

I downloaded some hours ago so I guess I got lucky

[spiral lintel]

`# A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:

EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x00007ff9f922efca, pid=16640, tid=21492

JRE version: Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (17.0.8+9) (build 17.0.8+9-LTS-211)

Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (17.0.8+9-LTS-211, mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class ptrs, g1 gc, windows-amd64)

Problematic frame:

C [ig9icd64.dll+0x90efca]

No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by default on client versions of Windows

If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:

https://bugreport.java.com/bugreport/crash.jsp

The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code.

See problematic frame for where to report the bug.`

never seen this before...

[brave cairn]

what were you doing?

[spiral lintel]

loading the modpack 🤣

fresh install as well

[brave cairn]

[spiral lintel]

gonna reinstall again

[gloomy elm]

Pyritie if I’m doing more stuffs for quests that is on my Pr should I close it and redo it later? Or just continue and it will continuously update?

[brave cairn]

it'll update! you can mark the PR as a draft to show that it's not ready to be reviewed yet

[gloomy elm]

Perf thanks

[spiral lintel]

crashed with the same error after reinstall wtf 😭🙏

[gloomy elm]

What's the issue with the tool for the ore codex?

I would really like to have some kind of easy way to see how our ores are generating without having to look through these files one by one

:p

[blazing swan]

I TP'ed to my base and that happened

[merry briar]

how good are ponders in greate?

[gloomy elm]

they don't really exist specificaly for Greate

it's just the same one as Create

[merry briar]

so some of them dont make sense?

[gloomy elm]

Well they do

all the items from Greate are the basic Create's ones

[merry briar]

oh yeah right

[gloomy elm]

there is just this stupid wire coating factory that I would like to remove lol

[brave cairn]

it's fiiiiine

[vivid steeple]

i just realized how essential a wire coating facility is

why was there not one to begin with in gtm??

[gloomy elm]

well it serves no purpose as you should use an assembler to do coating

[vivid steeple]

but cable recipes eat up my pattern providers in assemblers

[gloomy elm]

make an other one?

[vivid steeple]

you can have a dedicated assembler but its really dumb

its like incredibly slow for what its worth too

[gloomy elm]

I don't see how this is really dumb to have a dedicated assembler

it's the same time

it's even the same recipe

[vivid steeple]

i guess you could just go for the multiblock one

[gloomy elm]

everything is the same

[brave cairn]

this thing's a lot cheaper than an assembler, and then you can just keep it full of various liquid rubber and not have to worry about other fluids

[gloomy elm]

it's cheaper yeah

[vivid steeple]

which works for a dedicated assembler tbh but like yeah cheaper is the important one here

[gloomy elm]

Pyritie what about the tool?

[gloomy elm]

I was wondering why we had so many veins to be fair

[vivid steeple]

i wonder if its possible to change the hull textures too

worked with the mech pumps

[brave cairn]

yeah yeah I'm working on it

[gloomy elm]

thanks

[gloomy elm]

So I redid the Progression tab of Gregtech on which I would like to add space related stuff like rockets and add a category for the more in depth guide like AE2, Ore Processing, Energy chapter...

Now I just need to finish Gregtech tips in the TFG tips

and what would be left will be to redo each GT chapter while integrating space in it

Are you okay with that?

[brave cairn]

oh, you removed the vacuum tubes and the anvils

[gloomy elm]

Oh I didn’t see them

Some mismatch version I guess

Will add them back

[brave cairn]

I put the anvils on that progression page since they're also progression

[gloomy elm]

Sounds perfect didn’t think about it

I gonna download the chapter from GitHub

[brave cairn]

but putting all the extra information/mods chapters on their own category sounds good

[gloomy elm]

Great thanks after that I think the quest book will be quite filled and that should be enough for everything

[brave cairn]

nice nice

I didn't make any progress on the field guide tool today because I decided to draw stupid shit instead

[gloomy elm]

I feel you

no worries I don't need it anytime soon I feel it will just be useful to us when we think about redoing the ore vein generation

[brave cairn]

it doesn't need to be redone, just have a few things shifted around

[gloomy elm]

I don't know about redoing everything but just moving some veins yeah

I mean depending on how you want space to be implemented

for example Molybdenum and Molybdenite. Removing Molybdenum from it, lowering Molybdenite so you still get ultimet but it would be hard to come by big quantity of it in the overworld

a vein with more Molybdenite on idk Mars or Venus I'm still lost in the progression so you can get RTM

to keep this aspect of the further you progress on the planets the more we can give access to ores

but well that's just an idea

[brave cairn]

mm

[gloomy elm]

finished!

Finishing the GT part for TFG Tips

The energy chapter and we should be good

then it's redoing every chapters of GT tiers but that will depend on how we do space

[coral vault]

we in

[gloomy elm]

Woh did you cross the ocean?

[coral vault]

yeah lol

[gloomy elm]

Gregtech recipe for cover isn’t working btw

lol nice

I would like to try to make the big ship

I never did

[rustic thunder]

i only ever made canoes and a kayak lol

[brave cairn]

for the facades? yeah I noticed, not sure what's up with it

[gloomy elm]

We got two weirds Gregtech bug:
-cover not craftable
-ore prospector gui not usable

[brave cairn]

the ore prospector I have no idea and is probably a gt bug

the cover... I did replace the normal "iron plates" with the cast iron ones from VI, I wouldn't be surprised if that broke it, but I wonder if it's possible to change that recipe

[gloomy elm]

It’s not

It’s definitely TFG

It works fine on every others modpack

[brave cairn]

:o

[gloomy elm]

So covers could be fix by removing your change? And what would be used ?

[pearl gale]

The explanations in the quests are very funny and interesting. The person who wrote this is a very creative person.

[brave cairn]

tom, you had the issue with caelum and shaders not working together right?

what happens if you remove tfc-caelum and only have regular caelum? does it still crash? and does updating your graphics card drivers make a difference?

[gloomy elm]

Only Caelum works fine and yeah everything is updated

It’s a clash between Oculus and TFC Caelum if I remove one them it works fine

And it crashes during loading even if no shaders are in the instance

But because it happens on Mac only it may be connected to the Java we use

[brave cairn]

hm, what happens if you update your java?

[gloomy elm]

Didn’t have time to try yet but I have a different Java version that apparently is less buggy

I should test it with Prism

[brave cairn]

worth a shot, since I can't reproduce the crash

[gloomy elm]

Yeah I’m pretty sure the issue lays somewhere here

Some mods I guess use something our Java version (Mac) doesn’t like

Spark is also known to make Mac crashes

Water media also but it was fixable

Btw even Distant Horizon makes the game crash on TFG

I will try later today with a different Java version and let you know

[brave cairn]

thanks!

[gloomy elm]

Tried fast as I had a bit of time before going to work

And it didn’t work

I used Temurin-17 as it’s the recommended version to use

And I still crash at the same point

Can I try to use the 21 for Minecraft 1.20?

Or I guess I could try Temurin-20

[spiral lintel]

@gloomy elm are you crashing on world load or during modpack loading?

[gloomy elm]

Modpack Loading at the very end

Right before the Lenin

Menu*

lol what kind of autocorrect is that

[spiral lintel]

same thing happening to me

but i'm not on mac

[gloomy elm]

Weird

[brave cairn]

same callstack?

[spiral lintel]

`# A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:

EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x00007ff9f864efca, pid=18720, tid=9964

JRE version: Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (17.0.8+9) (build 17.0.8+9-LTS-211)

Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (17.0.8+9-LTS-211, mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class ptrs, g1 gc, windows-amd64)

Problematic frame:

C [ig9icd64.dll+0x90efca]

No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by default on client versions of Windows

If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:

https://bugreport.java.com/bugreport/crash.jsp

The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code.

See problematic frame for where to report the bug.

--------------- S U M M A R Y ------------

Command Line: -XX:HeapDumpPath=MojangTricksIntelDriversForPerformance_javaw.exe_minecraft.exe.heapdump -Xms2048m -Xmx4096m -Duser.language=en -Djava.library.path=C:/Users/denet/AppData/Roaming/PrismLauncher/instances/alpha 0.9.2 curseforge/natives org.prismlauncher.EntryPoint

Host: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7100U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 4 cores, 7G, Windows 10 , 64 bit Build 19041 (10.0.19041.5678)
Time: Sun Apr 27 22:27:32 2025 GMT Summer Time elapsed time: 249.686407 seconds (0d 0h 4m 9s)

--------------- T H R E A D ---------------

Current thread (0x00000236776d8c00): JavaThread "Render thread" [_thread_in_native, id=9964, stack(0x000000a617700000,0x000000a617800000)]

Stack: [0x000000a617700000,0x000000a617800000], sp=0x000000a6177fba68, free space=1006k
Native frames: (J=compiled Java code, j=interpreted, Vv=VM code, C=native code)
C [ig9icd64.dll+0x90efca]`

[gloomy elm]

Oh this one isn’t the same

[spiral lintel]

interesting

[gloomy elm]

Some had this issue also earlier

Java crashing

[spiral lintel]

were there any solutions

[brave cairn]

either way I think we need to remove tfc-caelum for the time being

[spiral lintel]

removing oculus fixed my issue too, so yeah it's the same problem as tomtomtom

[brave cairn]

hmm ok, at least it's consistent 🤔

[spiral lintel]

sucks because caelum looks so nice 💔

[brave cairn]

is it normal caelum that's causing your crashes? or specifically tfc-caelum

[spiral lintel]

i'll try it later

[gloomy elm]

@exotic wraith https://discord.com/channels/432522930610765835/1125009236548669450

[brave cairn]

cool, I got the ores to field guide all patched up now

it only has one vein for the moment because I wanted to get the tool working before porting over all the data (since I knew I'd be tweaking the json format)

[cosmic veldt]

👀

the encoder ate the video quality but i hope it goes through

[brave cairn]

yooooo sick

I'm gonna eat then see if I can get this tool to generate the actual vein features as well

and then... make it generate a spreadsheet as well, since that's easy and it'll make tom happy :p

[cosmic veldt]

now to see if i can get each chain to render according to the correct colour

[brave cairn]

damn, you're going all out haha

[cosmic veldt]

it was surprisingly not that bad! I was worried i'd have to tap into some really annoying mixin

[brave cairn]

oh good!

[cosmic veldt]

also intellij helps a lot lol, I used to code all with vscode and i do not wish to do that ever again

maybe I should put in a PR for create itself to allow for arbitrary chain items maybe from a tag

[gloomy elm]

🥰

you guys are amazing

I took the liberty of using Moni sheet to make one working for TFG

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uxyJGUZjNHSrS-R_I0zLc9KwKuiDlKuYnvN_R8aKoE4/edit?gid=802643677#gid=802643677

I will try to add a table with the origin of every alloys

Don't know if we'll use it for space progression

but i think that could be cool to have a better vision

[coral vault]

anyone else getting TFGMaterialFlags is not defined error on latest?

[brave cairn]

sounds new to me :0

[coral vault]

hmm

tfg core looks fine to me so idk why its saying it isnt defined

is that supposed to be commented out?

[brave cairn]

it's commented out on mine

[coral vault]

hold on, might be my b

[spiral lintel]

@brave cairn yeah my issue is also solved by removing tfc caelum

[brave cairn]

ok good to know

def removing that mod in 0.9.3, as cool as it is 😔

sounds like the mod author is doing some major rewrites of it though

[pearl gale]

I made a mistake about the bronze. But the stone, reinforced granite, does not fall and hangs in the air.

[brave cairn]

yes, you want the "raw" stone. I don't know what it's called in your language, but it's the one you find on the floors of caves

[pearl gale]

New mechanics.... I tried to dig out of the cave floor. Everything worked. In my language, it's “Сира”, but it doesn't show up in the game. I'll look into it, maybe it's a translation error. Thank you for your time.

[brave cairn]

This is an old tfc thing! We haven't changed it at all

[gloomy elm]

Pyritie linkd to our issue with scanner apparently we should be able to bookmark items from EMI on the Multiblock visualisator thingy

so we have something somewhere that breaks some GUI features of GTm

[brave cairn]

do we? I don't remember that working before

[gloomy elm]

it was working on an other GT modpack so I got confuse

and someone told me it's working in an instance with only Gtm EMI and JEI

I checked our JEI EMI version

we have the lastest

same as on the modpack

[brave cairn]

I really don't know

[cosmic veldt]

I also don't see any tooltips when hovering over blocks in jei multiblock recipes

[gloomy elm]

I may try to remove everymods and see how it goes one by one

[cosmic veldt]

but that might be my dev environment, god knows that one is barely like anyone elses here lol

[gloomy elm]

the prospector thingy is definitely the most bothering

did you guys tried to open your Applied Energistics 2 guide book

it makes me crash

[brave cairn]

all done with the vein generation too 🙌

[coral vault]

works for all stages

[brave cairn]

hmm it does let you get an earlier straw bed potentially 🤔 what else would this effect? just easier leather making?

[coral vault]

need large hides for kayak and the diving suit

[brave cairn]

right, that

yeah makes sense

[coral vault]

i could make it require glue too

yeah i might do that

[brave cairn]

more glue for the glue gods

[coral vault]

then the assembler will just take a little liquid glue, no string

[brave cairn]

I've definitely noticed that there's way more use for glue in 0.9 now lol

[coral vault]

bunch of glue eaters here

[gloomy elm]

What’s it?

[coral vault]

wdym?

[gloomy elm]

Making small hide and large hide?

[coral vault]

yes

and medium hide

combining hides together, or cutting them apart

[cosmic veldt]

it turns out i forgot pineapples and figs were added by firmalife and therefore this was invalid

fixed now haha

[coral vault]

firmalife moment

[brave cairn]

firmalife moment

[cosmic veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/sickos-sicko-haha-yes-creeper-gif-25057805

[brave cairn]

[gloomy elm]

Woh you went out of your way

I was wondering though it the massive rotor block expensive?

What’s the advantage of trains?

Chunkloading?

Im really lost with Create 6

[cosmic veldt]

for now no, it's just a large cog with 4 metal casings around it, although we could change that if we want

[gloomy elm]

Does it need SU for each of them?

I really should launch Create 6 😅

[cosmic veldt]

I think they're supposed to be lower range than trains, theyre limited by a maximum chain distance of 32 blocks

the individual chain conveyors don't eat SU
so they're really most like belts on shafts, obv chains are going to be more expensive than belts

also you can't just use them for item transport on their own they need frogports to put packages on them

I personally think they're pretty balanced but we can reduce the max distance maybe, idk we'll have to try it out and balance it once create 6 is more ready to be deployed (s&r release, etc)

[gloomy elm]

It seems fine!

[cosmic veldt]

oh yeah I should put in a PR for the coremod outside of create 6 to allow for TFC ingot pile textures if they already exist, i remember people being bummed that their gold piles werent nice and shiny like gold lol

think we just overwrite the render method for that entirely thats why, i can put in a check to use the original textures if they have them

[merry briar]

please better chains longer distance

[cosmic veldt]

i was thinking of making better chains cheaper to put down

[gloomy elm]

Is that intended that stone knifes don't take damage on deployer?

[cosmic veldt]

so like red/blue steel would only require .5x of the required chains, copper would require extra, etc

but it might be annoying to implement especially with short ones that require 1x all the time for example

[merry briar]

and making better chains offer longer distances? would that be possible?

[cosmic veldt]

it would be difficult because the chain max distance is a global config and it might require a lot of overhead to try and calculate the limit per each chain material

i don't think it's going to be that nice to implement, consistency is king after all

[merry briar]

okey makes sense I guess

[exotic wraith]

lfg

[brave cairn]

hm I may have put a little too many sticks on the ground

I did recently buff it because it felt too little before, but...

[gloomy elm]

Sticks are close to tree basically?

Why sticks underground 😅

[brave cairn]

so you can make stone tools, basically

[gloomy elm]

If you’re lost while mining?

I mean lost all your tools

[brave cairn]

yeah, or if you died and want to make a few basic tools to get back to your corpse

or for people who wanna do a challenge run starting in the nether lol

[gloomy elm]

You are too nice 🔥

I would let them rot

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Tools-Modern/pull/7

[brave cairn]

oh, while you're looking at the ingot pile stuff, keep a lookout for anything that's making clay only stack to 16 -- I suspect it's because it's tagged as an ingot, but I can't find what's causing that

maybe GT is tagging it as an ingot, and then TFC is making all ingots have that 16 stack size? idk

[cosmic veldt]

oh I know that one it's GT itself marking it as an ingot yeah

[brave cairn]

ah, dang

[cosmic veldt]

we just apply the itemsize to all forge ingots in our kubejs script

we could exclude clay in that specifically?

[brave cairn]

we don't, actually - we only configure airplanes, backpacks, vases, fishing nets, and tfc's ore pieces

[cosmic veldt]

oh, it must be tfc doing it then

tbf is there any reason why clay balls should have the #forge/ingots tag? maybe we can just remove it?

[brave cairn]

other than letting you stack them like ingots, I don't know of any other reason

[copper solar]

Oh man you can stack clay? Dang wish I knew that. I love my ingot stacks, and clay is a pain to store early on.

[exotic wraith]

oh right, worth mentioning i'm able to review PRs again

so if theres anything to review lmk

[brave cairn]

there is, check ur github

turn on email notifs plsssss

[spiral lintel]

bronzecels coping about the bronze age collapse 3000 years later while the steppe ironchads thrive

[exotic wraith]

i just saw we may add functional storage

if i'm being honest

cant we just add Sophisticated Storage instead?

it does what Functional Storage does, but 20 times better

[brave cairn]

I think the idea is to only use functional storage's fluid drawers since we'll also have create 6 to handle item storage

[merry briar]

it can handle fluid storage too right?

[coral vault]

i think if you force people to use create as a storage solution then there will be riots

[brave cairn]

nobody rioted about 0.7 having neither lol

[coral vault]

fair lol

[exotic wraith]

iirc sophisticated storage also supports fluid storage

just sayin

[coral vault]

i support sophisticated storage over functional storage

functional storage is much more laggy too

[exotic wraith]

I still remember the WRATH i felt when i tried to use a Comparator or the Stockpile Switch on functional storage

only to learn that it DOES NOT work

and it's redstone update?

it only reaches 15 when it has a STACK

not when its full!

(its shite!)

[brave cairn]

well, take it up with @elder niche, he's the one who already did everything to get functional storage working

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/935

I haven't tested if the game will even boot yet lol but it'll be much easier to actually run things if it's in the main repo

but hey, space merge mostly done

[exotic wraith]

Ad Astra

[cosmic veldt]

Ad Astra

[coral vault]

Ad Astra

[pearl gale]

Ad Astra

[merry briar]

Ad Astra

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/issues/902 https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/issues/889 these ones are for you btw

I gave you the second one since I think you're the one who knows the most about how to set up a server now 😅

[exotic wraith]

Sounds good, i'll look at the smoking one today

for the server pack thing

i'll just... use google translate

since i dont know what xikaro wrote, i dont know russian

ohhh

i see

[brave cairn]

yeah, sounds like he just wants a little guide on how to set up a server

[gloomy elm]

Pyritie we should use your dev fork to test ad Astra integration ?

And it may not launch yet I understand?

[brave cairn]

yes but lemme get it actually working first

our priority is still to get 0.9 nice and stable before we start fucking around in space lol

[gloomy elm]

Fucking around in space sounds exciting though ahah

But yeah I have to finish what I’m on

[exotic wraith]

This fefinetly has TFG energy

Except the gooing part but it's still relatable

Who out here collapsing their shafts

And by my shaft, well

[brave cairn]

lol, a non-brainrot version of this was just posted to the tfg subreddit as well

https://www.reddit.com/r/TerraFirmaGreg/comments/1k9s12w/tfg_irl/

[elder niche]

@brave cairn Did you think I was joking when I said that I was taking an assembly project for my studies? So no, I'm making presentations now hahaha

its OMEGALUL i think

[brave cairn]

bro I can't read any of this lol

[elder niche]

i know

[brave cairn]

[elder niche]

What matters is not what is written, but the very fact of such a precedent ahaha

In addition, there are applications for translating from photos, if you are interested.

[brave cairn]

why the hell is pakku getting the wrong version of ad astra

I tell it to download 1.15.19 from cf and modrinth, then it grabs 1.15.20 instead (the patch is for create 6 support)

argh fucking pakku

[coral vault]

Why does ad astra need create support? Does it interact with create?

[brave cairn]

it comes with a bit of built-in create integration

[coral vault]

Oof

[brave cairn]

if I manually download the right version of ad astra then at least I get past that crash... then onto another because it's still using old ore veins, lol

truly I am the cause of my own problems

[brave cairn]

we are so back

[gloomy elm]

woh

[brave cairn]

it's cool seeing everything for those new buds just working

[gloomy elm]

so there is all the gravity from TFC?

[brave cairn]

if you mean cave ins, yes

[gloomy elm]

nice

this is crazy integration

[coral vault]

Lemme know if you need anything for space, I'll probably play around with adding some stuff

[brave cairn]

oh sure! and yeah at the moment the moon doesn't have a whole lot going on besides it kinda being the space tutorial

[coral vault]

Do we still have some design guidelines for mars and the moon? I know we want to make them have unique mechanics like Factorio planets. Not sure if you thought of what you want yet

[exotic wraith]

Where we supposed to push straight to Dev in the tools repo?

i forgor

anyways, i did that

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/937

[gloomy elm]

Im trying some stuff to see if Pyritie likes them but from what I get the goal is to make the moon quite simple without adding much on GT

[brave cairn]

I have been unless it's a bigger project

[brave cairn]

like in terms of themeing or progression?

[coral vault]

Kinda both, I had an idea. I'll post it in the space forum

[gloomy elm]

#1331744604701069393 message

[brave cairn]

ok, space should be working at the moment, if you do these steps:

1. check out + sync the feature/space branch
2. add these mods: Species, Ad Astra, Ad Astra Giselle Addon

[exotic wraith]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/938

[brave cairn]

moon needs a bunch of polishing from my end since I've learned a lot about worldgen since doing the nether stuff, and I want to go back and fix it up a bit
mars... you can go there if you want, but I just started on it before I switched to doing the nether, so it's a total mess right now lol

[exotic wraith]

Currently

i have no idea what i'll do for now

since the quest rework is basically complete

and that was my main jig, lol

[brave cairn]

haha

look through the github issues and see if anything sticks out to you, I guess, unless you have something else in mind

[exotic wraith]

I guess my main wonder is about functional storage, that pr mainly

is the idea to use it for mass fluid storage before you get access to AE2?

[brave cairn]

I think so?

I don't want to make gt crates/super chests totally useless

[exotic wraith]

I mean, if GT has something like a super chest i dont see why we'd add something like functional storage

[gloomy elm]

I honestly don’t really see the point of functional storage

[exotic wraith]

i havent seen Create 6 at all (couldnt be bothered to watch the showcase video). But assuming it's storage capabilities are good enough then people can just use Create6 for mass item storage

then upgrade it to use AE2 when they get to HV

so

[gloomy elm]

There is a bug with the knife durability not being used with the deployer?

And we still have the weird bug of GT GUI that we can’t interact with

Especially bothering with the ore prospector

But these ones are mystery to me

[exotic wraith]

tbh i wouldn't want to do bugfixing, specially on code i dont know/own

i'm already in bugfixing hell at work and i dont want that happening here, lol

[brave cairn]

doesn't have to be bugfixing hell, there's a bunch of easy ones

gotta do it at some point, it can't all just be new features

I've been basically doing nothing but tfg bugfixing the past week or two 😔

[exotic wraith]

lets just keep the other contributors in bugfixing hell

i'm joking

[cosmic veldt]

it's not really for mass item storage, it's more for logistics. like the amount of items stored per block will still remain functionally the same as before but you can access them from a central location much easier in create 6

I guess it opens up vaults more for item storage but otherwise... yeah

[exotic wraith]

hmm

fine

i'll watch the video

maybe we can add sophisticated storage

as a treat

[cosmic veldt]

maaayyybe

just to hold people over until they can get super chests

[exotic wraith]

yeah

plus Sophisticated storage > functional storage

https://youtu.be/FGVkC8ZVHHw

[cosmic veldt]

and even with super chests, the 2x and 4x drawers are still quite useful

[exotic wraith]

i'll be watching this

[cosmic veldt]

I use em all the time

[exotic wraith]

i'll see if i come up with something

[gloomy elm]

They can become op quite fast if the upgrades are craftable

Millions of items

[cosmic veldt]

we'll have to lock the upgrades per tier probably

[exotic wraith]

and thats why we limit the upgrades

prolly JUST the same upgrade availability that the backpack has

[gloomy elm]

Also apparently with Sophisticated Storage the downgrade upgrade voids items

[exotic wraith]

not that i recall

either way, i'll see what we'll do

[gloomy elm]

Apparently that’s just Moni it

[exotic wraith]

Moni it?

[cosmic veldt]

Rose quartz MV recipes... does this look alright?

(1st one is chem bath)

[brave cairn]

I think it should be 9 rose dust = 1 n quartz + 8 redstone, imo

just so rose quartz isn't somehow 9 times denser than everything else lol

[cosmic veldt]

I think so too

it always felt weird that that was how it worked in create

in any case maybe we should start thinking about what else we can put in the polar regions to make them more interesting and worth going to? just rose quartz is fine, but maybe there could be stuff there that's worthwhile

like how the kaolin quest is also kind of worth it for rubber, papyrus, pinapples, etc

[brave cairn]

the desert, too

at the moment there's basically no reason to ever go there

[cosmic veldt]

the tumbleweeds if you reaaaallly stretch the idea of something being worth it

[gloomy elm]

I saw you ask on GT discord but could we make the desert the only place to get Heavy Oil?

[cosmic veldt]

they're unique to dry regions at the very least

[brave cairn]

yeah if we can somehow get GT to understand tfc climates, putting more oil over there would be great

[exotic wraith]

seeing the create 6 stuff it looks pretty damn cool

[cosmic veldt]

i got most of it working! we're really just waiting for a few more mods to update and then we can basically just put it together

the big one is steam&rails, I think basically all create modpacks are waiting on that one lmao

other than that some smaller ones, like horse power, we got in contact with the devs so those should be available pretty soon

vintage improvements' fork is approved as off-site dependency on CF so that's not an issue either

[exotic wraith]

nice

looking at all this i really think this would shine a lot if there was a way to mass connect a mess of chests

(which isnt possible)

[brave cairn]

item vaults can be pretty damn huge

3x3x8 or something silly each

[exotic wraith]

true, tho i cant imagine them being easy to create

then again

[brave cairn]

and iirc create:connected has a thing to connect vaults together? or something like that

[exotic wraith]

[brave cairn]

item vaults? they're cheap, just a chest and a bit of wrought iron

[exotic wraith]

oh

mkay i didnt notice that

[brave cairn]

each one only stores about as much as a vanilla chest

but if you connect them, they essentially act as one big inventory

[exotic wraith]

ye

i kno that

[brave cairn]

"colossal chests if it was good", basically, lol

[exotic wraith]

honest to god i just want sophisticated storage instead of functional storage cuz i hate that mod

[brave cairn]

(you can also use shipping containers since they're just reskinned item vaults)

[cosmic veldt]

the big part is that packages made in the packager are basically like shulker boxes, they're a 1 space item that can hold up to 9 stacks of something

[exotic wraith]

ya

[cosmic veldt]

so storing them is going to be very useful for long term storage

[exotic wraith]

christ moving packages with trains sounds very fun

[brave cairn]

honestly I still don't even know if we need either sophisticated/functional storage lol

[cosmic veldt]

address routing also supports regex or something? it's really powerful as long as you know what you're doing

it basically requires a bit more setup than AE2 storage but is about as powerful, excluding the ME drives you can make

[brave cairn]

you're not doing that much fluid stuff early on, a bunch of drums/cells in a chest are good enough

anyway I'm going to bread, lmk if anyone has more ideas for fun stuff we could put on the moon 🙏

[exotic wraith]

gregnight

[cosmic veldt]

i reckon you can do very, very rudimentary fluid auto routing via bucketing them and then packaging up buckets and moving them

or barrels since they keep their inventory

[brave cairn]

tbh just

moving the stupid dust farms to the moon would be enough to do imo

you want some infinite resources? here's some bedrock mines, go wild and send them home, and here's some easy power too so it doesn't get too complicated

@spiral lintel how's the proofreading going

I think it + tom's quest stuff is all that we need to move into beta?

[gloomy elm]

gosh there is a thunderstorm and my neighbour myself included lost power...

[spiral lintel]

sorry for the slow pace, it won't take too much more time

btw found out aged corn and rye whiskey don't give any effects

[copper solar]

Nothing particularly important, but I'd like to see some giant craters :]

Are balance things like giving all alcohol effects and changing the three inferior breads to match the others something we do or just leave it for the original mod to update?

[exotic wraith]

Already known

Tbh got no idea what I'll do with those

Lol

[vivid steeple]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/lunchboxes

[coral vault]

@vivid steeple that isnt even released for 1.20 and it won't slow the decay of food like a vessel would

[cosmic veldt]

theyre supposed to have effects the same as the other whiskeys it just doesnt work for some reason

[brave cairn]

I think I need to figure out how to add new configured features in java for that one - which is something I want to do anyway 🤔

[cosmic veldt]

https://modrinth.com/mod/create_factory_logistics ooh, interesting maybe when we get to adding create 6

[brave cairn]

ooh

[brave cairn]

let me know if you need any help

[cosmic veldt]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/create-mobile-packages also interesting

could bridge the gap in create logistics for later voltage tiers

[brave cairn]

cute bee!

[cosmic veldt]

very

i like the little goggle look

but yeah it's basically AE2 remote terminals for create networks, so we could put these into HV to round off the create logistics progression

[brave cairn]

not mv?

[cosmic veldt]

oh right, mv

forgot for a sec that I made the factory gauge late LV and not actually MV lol

[brave cairn]

oh lol

but yeah some time a little after the factory gauge sounds good

[cosmic veldt]

I forgot what the MV emitter/sensor recipes are but these would probably use those as components

[gloomy elm]

Isn’t that too strong ? It’s wireless network

[gloomy elm]

They are the hardest component of each tier (motor/conveyor/etc…) often used in the assembler

[cosmic veldt]

I havent tested the mod yet so I can't really say how balanced it would be

if it allows us to config max distance, etc it might be fine

[gloomy elm]

Having wireless transport at MV doesn’t really feel like TFG but well

[cosmic veldt]

yeah that was my initial thought too, but it is specific only to create and you'd still need to set up the related logistics network after all

I'll maybe play around with that one and also the fluid logistics one

check how OP they are, if at all

[brave cairn]

I mean, it's not that different than the chain things or trains or item pipes, and if it's done by an entity then it sounds low throughput as well

[cosmic veldt]

i'm mostly interested in seeing how fast these bees actually are

if it's low throughput enough to the point where say, calling stuff into your inventory is fine but moving stuff between machines is going to be tricky, it'll be perfect i think

[rustic thunder]

wha
is this like factorio logistic bots

[brave cairn]

a little

[merry briar]

A little? Pretty much I think

But they are cool

[exotic wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-DGyWPyTqv4?feature=share

Who out here ready to make an EV-Blunt

[exotic wraith]

Actually

i know

Do people want guns?

i think people want guns

[brave cairn]

there's been a few gun mods proposed yeah - right now there's not a lot to hit with them, but that'll change in space for sure

I can't remember the name of it, but my favourite one had like 10 or so guns that were all reasonably different from each other and had different tech levels

instead of the ones where there's like 60 guns but there's so much overlap

[exotic wraith]

i see

i'm coping trying to see what i can do that doesnt revolve bugfixing

[brave cairn]

we can't always avoid bugfixing but I understand the aversion

imo, do a little bugs, then do something new, then do some bugs, then something new, etc

[merry briar]

do you personally recommend pakku for modpack developement?

[exotic wraith]

Pakku certainly has a bit of a learning curve but i definetly prefer it to... whatever the hell the "mods" submodule is supposed to fix

[brave cairn]

did we decide on rose quartz spires or boulders?

I think boulders encased in ice will make people experience the cold more, lol, but they'd be a little harder to spot than spires

on the other hand the spires might look a bit more visually distinct?

[gloomy elm]

People are able to find kaoline i think they can manage the boulder

And thematic would be so cool

Breaking the ice getting wet

Maybe having to make a camp fire 🔥

[exotic wraith]

damn

so Rose Quartz wont be craftable?

and its a mineral you find?

i love that

[cosmic veldt]

it will be craftable but only at MV

so if you want it as early as possible you're incentivised to go find it

[exotic wraith]

honestly

thats peam

Travel to the cold idiot

[brave cairn]

what do you think airrice? boulder or spire?

[exotic wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/wellthissucks-madagascar-penguins-gif-6141035

[exotic wraith]

fuck it, spire as a marker with some quarts on top, below it a big deposit of it in the form of a boulder

[brave cairn]

🤔 I think I have an idea that might look cool

[gloomy elm]

the best of both

[cosmic veldt]

I'm still trying to think of what else could be cool about the northern region so people could want to go there

aside from required progression, of course

[gloomy elm]

One solution would be to make ore generation also influenced by temperature but personally I prefer to tied it to space

[cosmic veldt]

yeah same

maybe some exotic animals could drop useful gear

we have stuff like reindeer, penguins, polar bears already

[gloomy elm]

there is still the toolbelt upgrade

the backpack?

backpack upgrade i mean obviously

[cosmic veldt]

going to hunt for specific animal pelts to upgrade stuff sounds kinda like far cry lmao

im all for that honestly

[gloomy elm]

an other idea but it may not be popular is something to make a gt miner

so create drills would get more interesting no need to travel to get them

but this one could be tied to the desert

the fridge for food could use something from cold region also

it's qol

[exotic wraith]

Fridge but it requires permafrost

[brave cairn]

ad astra does have permafrost blocks...

[exotic wraith]

👁️

I was thinking of it existing on the coldest biomes possible

As a vein

Like, north pole type of shit

[brave cairn]

lol, what if we change the vacuum freezer to need HV circuits but require permafrost

that's probably a bit too cruel, lol

[gloomy elm]

Not much point to make it HV circuit though

[brave cairn]

makes it a little less evil, lol

[gloomy elm]

You know I wonder something following this idea

[brave cairn]

on a different note, what about, like... a while ago, I suggested using the ad astra "globes" as sorta trophies for "conquering" the planet, requiring stuff from all over the world to make. What if we make one of those required to make your first rocket?

[gloomy elm]

when we were talking about using trophies

oh damn we are on the same idea

[brave cairn]

LOL

we are so trophy brained

[gloomy elm]

finishing my round of valo but Im sharing this idea on something more specific :p

I was thinking about the Bulk Blast Chiller and the RHF they are both gated behind neutronium. I think we could change that so they require items coming from every region from different planets so we could unlock them earlier maybe around ZPM

but I'm also down for rockets needing stuffs from all over the region

[brave cairn]

one thing about the trophies is that it would make people interact with all our content instead of being able to rush :p

[gloomy elm]

Rockets could a bit of everything and Rotary Hearth Furnace and Bulk Blast Chiller the trophy

from every planets

Because we aren't adding tiers, both BBC and RHF are basically useless in the pack

[exotic wraith]

Earth trophy to make the first rocket?

Sounds interesting

[brave cairn]

tbh I'd be fine with just moving them earlier without any fancy stuff

[gloomy elm]

how about gating them behind grabing specific items for all over the worlds and each planets?

Because they would be QoL definitely

[brave cairn]

why gate those things specifically? we can use the trophies for something else

[gloomy elm]

Well we could just make them earlier sure

but because TFG won't need them to be completed

They would be simply op if they are unlocked earlier so we would just use them as huge QoL

[brave cairn]

or like, replace one of their materials with something for that specific machine

[gloomy elm]

I think gating them behind not trophies but maybe items from all the regions of the modpack

[brave cairn]

like, idk, the bulk chiller needs something on the crystal planet

[gloomy elm]

could be a cool reward

if you explored all the cold region from the overworld, got the cold stuff from the moon, explored the mars north pole etc...

then you get the bulk blast chiller and you will never need anything else

but let's say you don't care about exploring every aspect of the pack yeah you can finish the modpack but you won't get those two huge qol

but sure I'm not against making them simply earlier

I just feel like they could be good reward for someone that took the time to explore every aspects of the pack

unlocking them around ZPM is crazy huge

I always liked the idea that you don't need to 100% a game to finish it

but if you do you get huge qol

Idk how you feel about that ?

[brave cairn]

I agree that there should be optional qol content

I'm just not convinced "revisit old planets to collect one thing then leave again" sounds all that fun, lol

[gloomy elm]

that's true what if we add a quest on each chapter about the planet as an optional one

because I agree that reaching ZPM and be like

okay i didn't know about this quest and now I have to go back to every damn place i visited already

is a terrible experience

[cosmic veldt]

i think how I think about side stuff progression in a pack like this is, you can either do it when it's introduced by doing the specific time consuming task (world exploration, etc) or you can get that qol later on once you unlock a new tier, new planet, new machine... etc

and even the actual necessary progression line I think it's great to have alternative routes you can take, like you can either go to the beneath or the jungle trek to get kaolin, each has its benefits and drawbacks

so the more explory stuff isn't seen too much as a necessity but can be substituted by artificially doing it at a later tier with specific chemicals or machines or whatever? I think that might work

it's also why I think rushing isn't really that bad of a thing, because hopefully the friction a user might feel by simply doing the bare minimum will be enough to make them want to branch out, improve their infrastructure...

like how you technically can get by LV in most gt packs by manually crafting components every time you need them, but setting autocrafting up for them and automatically stocking them through the autocrafting is so much nicer

[gloomy elm]

In the case of the Bulk Blast Chiller and Rotary Hearth Furnace they could have two recipes, the GT ones unlocked with Neutronium and an other one if you explored I guess

but you will need to know about this alternative recipe right from the start

[cosmic veldt]

yep, either which way the quests will have to do the heavy lifting in conveying any intended and recommended progression to the player

can't trust everyone to meticulously look up jei recipes for everything and optimise their plans

[brave cairn]

same way you can't trust everyone to read the quests haha

but I get it

[cosmic veldt]

you can lead a horse to water or whatever

i personally find figuring out each 'puzzle' of what the best way to achieve something is to be really fun, it's my favorite part of modded mc

[gloomy elm]

i think many people on TFG are used to not reading the quests because that wasnt the most refining aspect of the pack

but with all the changes we made and are gonna continue to make

I feel this gonna change

[cosmic veldt]

hopefully

yall have all done excellent work

[gloomy elm]

I'm really excited about my next pr I hope you guys gonna like it

[brave cairn]

I hope that forcefully giving everyone a quest book and field guide item when you spawn helps to rub it in a bit more lol

[cosmic veldt]

so anyone who has worked with the quest files, is it generally a bad idea to have more than 1 contributor working on the same page? it seems like it's just 1 file, idk if it's going to have conflicts or not

I was thinking of getting started with writing up some quests for create 6 on my branch

[gloomy elm]

I feel right now it could be a mess because I'm changing a lot of things

I already erased the stuffs Pyritie added by mistake

give me 1 day and that will be a clean plate

[cosmic veldt]

oh in that case I'll wait for your prs first lol

always nice to get a heads up about these sorts of things, thx

[gloomy elm]

it's me being slow ahah

[cosmic veldt]

but yes I'll probably write up how create's logistics can be used and how you can get to making each required component (especially the big ones like rose quartz for the stock link)

[brave cairn]

if the create 6 stuff is big enough, would it be helpful to make it its own chapter, do you think? sort of like how ae2 has its own (though I know tom wants to overhaul it too)

[cosmic veldt]

eh, I think it won't be as big as AE2

I was thinking it'd be like 4~6 quests at most, just letting people know to use ponder for the specifics and that "this is what you can get at this point" "ok now you have access to this capability"

probably in the misc category although that is a pretty huge chapter by now

it kinda lags my game every time I open it lmao

[gloomy elm]

#1331744604701069393 message

could go in the last category

that's a new one

[brave cairn]

could maybe stick it somewhere in basic automation? that chapter isn't being touched atm I think

[gloomy elm]

also a reason I need to push my pr

[cosmic veldt]

hm, now that I think about it maybe it being its own chapter isn't that bad

because it by nature spans multiple voltage tiers and requires its own quest to gather the materials for

also it isn't really crucial to progression or anything so

[gloomy elm]

could fit nicely in the technological help chapter at the bottom

[cosmic veldt]

yeah that sounds good

[gloomy elm]

i'm pushing tomorrow as the latest then

i mean you could still begin on your side and then change the dependancy of the chapter before pr

[cosmic veldt]

no worries take your time, im busy for most of tomorrow anyway haha

[gloomy elm]

sounds good

[cosmic veldt]

need to get my thesis draft reviewed again

[gloomy elm]

feel that

[brave cairn]

gl!

[brave cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646085141847998484/1367272410033684590/2025-04-30_23.52.13.png?ex=6813fb29&is=6812a9a9&hm=f3d2020a5afa19865e38222cd3dba3e2a4a80cc48e9d9cbe003072b193b49264&

ah I forgor that placed features start from the bottom up and not top down lmao

[coral vault]

Lol

[brave cairn]

I love worldgen because you get so much silly stuff like this

[coral vault]

Yeah, I really wanna play around with worldgen. It looks like so much fun

[brave cairn]

what kinda stuff would you be interested in doing?

I have an idea for something that might be a good starting project

[coral vault]

I was thinking about starting work on Venus and flushing out biomes and surface features

But let me know if you have something I could try out first

[brave cairn]

that could be cool! I don't really have that many ideas for venus at the moment besides the surface will have acid rain that damages you even if you have a space suit, so maybe pushing players underground could be cool -- and give it really wide open areas underground too, instead of the usual caves

then after that, we've got a whole bunch of unused giant mushroom blocks that we could use for vegetation -- the warped/crimson ones, plus two more from ad astra

[coral vault]

Maybe fill the underground will mushroom biomes? 🤔

[brave cairn]

yeah something like that

[coral vault]

Venus will probably be mostly devoid of life, besides hostiles I think

[brave cairn]

it's ok to put some weirder looking stuff there

[coral vault]

I'm wondering if we can implement space greenhouses 🤔

[coral vault]

I have some plans for custom stuff. Either whole new plants or just retexturing some of the unused ones

[brave cairn]

one of the mob mods I'm using has these funny guys with extendable necks that could work on venus, just for a lot of the weirder mobs https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/981/711/image_2024-10-04_064604185.png

[coral vault]

Weird... Lol

[brave cairn]

yeah I dunno lmao

ad astra comes with a couple venus mobs

a "venus piglin" sorta thing (ehhh)

whatever this is

[coral vault]

Since Venus will involve lots of geysers and sulfur chemistry, I wanted to add bacteria based vegetation

[brave cairn]

and a "sulfuric creeper"

[coral vault]

Not sure about mobs yet

[coral vault]

I have to check out ad astra soon, I want to see how it all works before I start messing around

[brave cairn]

yeah for sure

[coral vault]

That would fit my idea pretty well

[brave cairn]

this is just my existing very rough ideas, feel free to take venus in your own direction!

but mars will be my baby 👁️👄👁️

[cosmic veldt]

it might be cool to have venus caves generate filled with GT hazard gas

[brave cairn]

...is there GT hazard gas? as far as I know existing gt fluids aren't actually placeable in-world

(but we could definitely add some)

[cosmic veldt]

well, the dusts i mean more so

[coral vault]

I will leave your baby alone lol. But if you need any custom textures or models lmk. That's my favorite thing to do lol

[brave cairn]

yeah of course! I more just mean the worldgen

but anyway - as for something to start with, the moon needs some craters!

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Configured_feature this is a nice reference guide for the existing features in mc, a lot of the old ones aren't customizable, but the newer ones are, and geodes have a lot of options - including random sizes

[cosmic veldt]

oh right, be sure to generate the actual rose quartz ore because we need to allow players to get the exquisite gems somehow

[brave cairn]

so I thiiiink placing "geodes" made of air blocks on the surface would work well enough?

[coral vault]

Cool cool, I'll check it out

[brave cairn]

lmk if you have questions! features kinda work a bit like coding

[coral vault]

For sure. If all else fails, I can probably use structures made of air to make craters look right

[brave cairn]

{
    "feature": "tfg:nether/surface/charred_tree",
    "placement": [
        {
            "type": "minecraft:count",
            "count": 80
        },
        {
            "type": "minecraft:in_square"
        },
        {
            "type": "minecraft:height_range",
            "height": {
                "type": "minecraft:uniform",
                "max_inclusive": {
                    "absolute": 100
                },
                "min_inclusive": {
                    "above_bottom": 32
                }
            }
        },
        {
            "type": "minecraft:block_predicate_filter",
            "predicate": {
                "type": "minecraft:matching_blocks",
                "offset": [
                    0,
                    -1,
                    0
                ],
                "blocks": [
                    "minecraft:deepslate",
                    "minecraft:blackstone",
                    "minecraft:magma_block"
                ]
            }
        },
        {
            "type": "minecraft:biome"
        }
    ]
}``` for example, here's the burnt trees in the nether

you basically "start" a placed feature by looking at the block at the lowest Y level in a corner of every chunk

then here:

1. repeat the next steps 80 times
2. randomize the X/Z positions to somewhere else within the chunk
3. check if this position has a max Y of 100, but is above 32 (since the nether's floor is 0), stop otherwise
4. check that the block directly below this one is either deepslate, blackstone, or magma, stop otherwise
5. check that this new position is still in the biome we started in, stop otherwise

these happen in order from top to bottom, which matters in some cases

for example if you put in_square at the bottom, it'd do all the other checks to make sure it was on solid ground, then randomly go somewhere else and then place the tree, which would leave you with floating trees, lol

[coral vault]

Sweet, thanks for the information 😁

[brave cairn]

https://misode.github.io/worldgen/placed-feature/ lastly, this is another great tool (and it has one for configured features too), with all the existing minecraft features in the Presets button so you can see how they work

[coral vault]

Oh sick

Do you know if terrafiemacraft has custom features that you can access with datapacks?

[brave cairn]

a few, though a lot won't work on other dimensions

https://terrafirmacraft.github.io/Documentation/1.20.x/worldgen/decorators/ https://terrafirmacraft.github.io/Documentation/1.20.x/worldgen/features

basically anything that wants to know about climate data or stone type won't work

I'd like to get these working on other planets, so we can have "proper" stone layers with features that change to them, but I have no clue how difficult that'll be

[coral vault]

Yeah I wonder how annoying that would be to implement

Tfc just seems to hate mixins

[brave cairn]

otherwise rn the way I do stone types on the moon is just through biomes, lol, though I was gonna look into just using noise instead

and then use some conditional stuff in the feature to decide which stone version to place

not quite as nice, but eh

[coral vault]

Yeah, whatever works ig

Does temperature work tho?

[brave cairn]

interesting, I didn't know geodes weren't always circular lol

[brave cairn]

features that depend on temperature do not, because they try to look for a "tfc chunk generator" and don't find one so they explode

buuuut kubejs-tfc has a function to set the climate temperature, check startup_scripts/tfc/register_climates.js - I already have it done for the moon/mars

that makes it show up in the climate tab at least, no idea if that affects things like crops

[coral vault]

It works in the beneath right? I bet we could look at how they did it

[brave cairn]

the beneath's default is to just have it always 80c, but I changed it to a gradient from 15 downwards

[coral vault]

Gotcha

[brave cairn]

reposting this if you wanna try out the space branch

[coral vault]

80c 💀

[brave cairn]

wtf ambiental, I'm standing naked in the subarctic, on top of a pile of blue ice, dripping wet, and you're saying it's not gonna kill me??

oh but standing on sea ice gives me this??

but underwater it's... 7c???

wtf is going on

[coral vault]

Ambiental is.... Interesting

[brave cairn]

I even found somewhere that says is 13c, then a chunk away it's -27, bruh

damn I thought I made these get covered by the snow

[coral vault]

I'm pretty sure you did too? It was working fine on the server

[brave cairn]

hm, it hasn't actually snowed in these chunks yet, this is just the default state from worldgen, maybe that's why

[brave cairn]

what do we think, chat

I'm not sold on the spikes

but I think having a few indicators on top would work fine

after mining out one of these, jeez yeah this is way too much lmao

there, I think that's a bit more reasonable

[coral vault]

Are you able to mix some regular quartz ore into the ore section? Might break up the color a bit better

[brave cairn]

I can, I swapped it with raw quartzite for now but I could do that too

I only get two different blocks I can use in that layer

[coral vault]

Ah I see

[brave cairn]

I can swap the innermost ones as well, I've sprinkled some more of the normal ore in there too

yeah that's better

quartzite quartzite ore my beloved

[exotic wraith]

Fuck ot

I'll do world gen too

Maybe some custom alien structures, idk

[brave cairn]

structures are cool

[cosmic veldt]

I wonder if we can add a few more 'variant' minerals up north in the form of spawning features like this

rose quartz being a variant ore that's both redstone and quartz (alongside its basic use) is pretty cool, what if there were others similar to that

this also means that rose quartz is a possible way to get nether quartz but only once you get to MV and can electrolyze it and it's obviously going to be a much poorer and more limited source than the beneath which is kind of cool

[brave cairn]

I'm ok with it being an LV electrolysis recipe, since it mostly turns into redstone

otherwise, yeah it's easy to add new minerals - I haven't tried adding any climate-dependent ore veins yet though

I would be ok with moving oilsands off to the desert or something, or maybe just making it more common there

@jolly harness hi, sorry to bother, but do you know if it'd be possible for us to turn your GTM large boiler fix into a mixin, so players don't have to download a separate jar file? or is it the sort of thing that only really a new jar could solve?

[cosmic veldt]

our ore veins use TFC gen right? i assume the climate based placement is available for those

it would be nice to figure out how to do that with the gt oil spouts

[brave cairn]

yes, but they don't use the normal placed feature stuff since iirc placed features are limited to a single chunk and its neighbours

so tfc does a bunch of fancy stuff to get around it

I mean it might work! I've just not tried it yet

I assume the GT spouts are just a normal feature

[cosmic veldt]

I had a quick look through them and that's what I've figured yeah

[brave cairn]

(I do think they're pretty ugly though lol)

[cosmic veldt]

they are haha

probably could make our own tar pit features instead and let oil just be bedrock pumped

[brave cairn]

I wouldn't mind them if they were either made very rare or put somewhere outside the normal spawn radius

[brave cairn]

could also work!

[cosmic veldt]

also was thinking if this mod would be good in the pack by limiting it to concrete paved paths only or something like that https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/via-romana

you have to physically make a land journey over infastructure (configable as to which blocks count) to make the connection so it's not just a free fast travel thing

[merry briar]

Yes please

[brave cairn]

sounds reasonable

[brave cairn]

ugh so many bugs so little time

stupid gt boiler, stupid millstone particles, stupid material event race conditions

[gloomy elm]

Im really a fan of being able to use teleportation only until very late in the game

[gloomy elm]

It’s not a fix from Pansmith

This person just left Moni discord though

[brave cairn]

can you send the link to that GTM PR?

[gloomy elm]

https://github.com/GregTechCEu/GregTech-Modern/compare/1.20.1...nutant233:GregTech-Modern:largeBoiler

[brave cairn]

cheers

in other news one of the GTM devs sent me a fix for the race condition, so that's a relief

[gloomy elm]

What’s the race condition?

[brave cairn]

#1186025944222269580 message

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/issues/944

I've been getting this for a while, but none of you have, so I figured it was just my workspace being weird

but seeing it out in the wild makes it an actual problem, lol

[gloomy elm]

Oh okay!

Ghostipedia is also the creator on the modpack Cosmic Frontiers I told you about

Pretty amazing stuffs done

[gloomy elm]

Btw Pyritie how can I get my hands on the sheet for ores. I tried looking in the tools but I didn’t find it

I may be dumb though

[brave cairn]

I didn't write the code for it yet lol

but you can look through the jsons if you want, they should be more digestible than the configured features

[gloomy elm]

I will have a look until then

Would like to add to the excel sheet the different important ores and where they come from

Even after years of gt I’m still often lost

[coral vault]

I love this mod, I have it in my single player, so I can just drag and drop the custom config

Although I let it use rnr roads too

[gloomy elm]

I feel that would remove a lot of interest in making trains though

[coral vault]

Nah, trains are still sick as hell

And trains are not just for transporting the player

[cosmic veldt]

argh I'm trying to mixin into tfc channel casting but i'm getting this on my intellij runclient

i don't know what the hell i'm supposed to do if anything

[brave cairn]

a missing translation is an odd thing to fail a build for??

[gloomy elm]

NanoMuscle suite has full insulation but not oxygen for space right?

that's the only difference for TFG?

[brave cairn]

correct

it's just temperature insulation

[cosmic veldt]

alright let's not do this as a mixin lmao

i'm just going to make some textures for red alloy and tin alloy for tfc

[brave cairn]

yeah that sounds way simpler

[gloomy elm]

okay getting some progress everything is done now except the chapter on gregtech energy

the Gregtech part of Tfg tips doesn't really look good but it was tough to make it okay

[brave cairn]

a little cramped but it'll do

[gloomy elm]

The Gregtech energy chapter with producing, stocking, moving and spending energy :p

I tried to explain everything I thought about

and also advising on which fuels to use etc...

[brave cairn]

might be useful to link one of those helpful youtube videos!

[gloomy elm]

I may add some link in the description

Do you have good videos recommendation ?

[brave cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv2SmPNsK-A I usually send people this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qm9uH2lmFs this one's also pretty good, though it's for a very old version of gregtech so it's not 100% accurate to ours

[gloomy elm]

sounds good will add them and some others I can find

damn there isn't much for modern GT

Let's play everywhere

Though there is good stuffs for AE2 so I will also use your idea for the chapter

nothing better than a video to learn AE2

[brave cairn]

yeah good idea

[coral vault]

Just replace the quest book with a YouTube playlist 😁

[gloomy elm]

They think it's a tutorial for GT but it's a Let's play of GTNH 🤫

[coral vault]

Get some free views for my let's play

[brave cairn]

develop for tfg just so you can secretly funnel views into your youtube channel

imagine if there was any sort of overlap between my etsy and here lmao

[coral vault]

Find a way

A true entrepreneur would

[cosmic veldt]

plush electric blast furnace

[brave cairn]

bro I would love to

[brave cairn]

man I swore these had a waterloggable property

[exotic wraith]

I would not like it personally

It invalidates trains

🛤️

[brave cairn]

yeah sorry I take back what I said earlier aftr having more time to think about it

the industrial TFG Big Train complex has issues with it

[exotic wraith]

The one modpack which encourages train use was Create Arcane Engineering and I love that personally

Plus

If you want something similar, just make a runway for a plane

Similar feat having to build something to land without issues

Then the cost is just coal/fuel

[brave cairn]

planes for one-time trips, trains for repeat journeys

[exotic wraith]

Plus with the entire logistics side of create 6 it encourages using trains even more

Imagine having a train network that all feeds to your disgustingly large vault complex filled with ores alongside automatic ore processing

[brave cairn]

hell yeah

@cosmic veldt I'm submitting the geode features to the create-6 branch, feel free to tweak their spawn parameters and size as you see fit

[cosmic veldt]

awesome

[brave cairn]

data/tfg/worldgen/placed_feature/earth/rose_quartz

[gloomy elm]

Just so you know I’m making a train on the moon to grab ressources from void miners

[brave cairn]

hell yeah

[spiral lintel]

boat quests need a serious revamp. Each boat has 3 dedicated quests for some reason, which inludes repeated information from the field guide

Also the central quest in the grappling hook region (the checkmark one) is asking for the wrong translation key in the description.

[brave cairn]

looks ok to me

[spiral lintel]

oh ok i see the problem, an older version I'm on messed up the lang file

boat quest needs a review though

[brave cairn]

it used to be worse if you can believe it lol

but otherwise yeah, agree

1 quest to make the thing that lists all the materials, 1 quest for the finished product just to have a nice icon lol (with a look at: quest)

let's let tom get his fixes in before mucking with it though

quests are a bitch to merge

[spiral lintel]

i'll wait for that before merging my lang proofread too then

[exotic wraith]

Yeah I fixed those in my recent PRs

[brave cairn]

@gloomy elm made it HV 👍

we can see if this is good for now haha

[coral vault]

before it becomes an issue later. It seems like species does not have a working version on curseforge, only modrinth

also, crashes at startup. Seems to be something with create compat. i thought you mentioned something about that before but wasnt sure if you had a fix yet. Long day at work so ill have the energy tomorrow to deal with this probably lol

[gloomy elm]

Yup sorry I didn’t finish the lang file today should be okay tomorrow

[brave cairn]

I think that's fine, the issue we had earlier was version mismatches instead of version exclusives

[brave cairn]

download the .19 version of ad astra I think, the one before the latest version (latest is looking for create 6)

[coral vault]

🤟

[rocky leaf]

it works! If you install two or more taps, the efficiency is displayed

[cosmic veldt]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/vintage-improvenents-ssw-edition the VI fork is on curseforge now

[brave cairn]

ooh awesome

[cosmic veldt]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Core-Modern/pull/26 this should be ready for review as well on my end

[gloomy elm]

Shall we also implement @rocky leaf mod so food doesn’t go back up when you die?

[brave cairn]

it's not finished yet

it just sets your hunger to a flat number instead of keeping it

also, if you're reading this, why not just put your code in tfg-core directly? it's open source now

@gloomy elm https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Tools-Modern/blob/dev/OresToFieldGuide/data/sheet.xlsx

enjoy

[gloomy elm]

Yeah thank you!

[rocky leaf]

did you look at the new build? i added the option to choose to set a fixed value or use tfc mechanics for health, hunger, thirst. i think this is what is needed

[brave cairn]

oh, did you send another one? sorry, I must've missed it, I've been juggling a lot

[rocky leaf]

#1331744604701069393 message

[brave cairn]

and that one has an option to keep the same hunger that you had before dying, right?

[rocky leaf]

The mechanics from TFC will work, meaning hunger will reset to full after death. However, I’m working on adding an option to preserve your pre-death hunger level instead

[gloomy elm]

that would be great that's what we are looking for

[brave cairn]

yes, that's what I'd like to have happen by default - then if people want to make it harder, they can change it 😛

[cosmic veldt]

Ok this is weird, I just merged the dev branch into what I had over here with my create 6 branch and now suddenly nothing is in #tfc:knives

[brave cairn]

ah hold on I think might've done that last night while I was fixing something else

#forge:tools/knives also works btw

one moment

[cosmic veldt]

ah yeah i just found it myself too haha

its the GTCEU_TOOLTYPES_WHICH_HAS_TFC_DUPS that got removed it did unification of the tags somewhat

without that being done none of the tfc recipes that used tfc knives work and also you can't cut straw with gt knives

[brave cairn]

alright just pushed a fix

[copper solar]

So I took a peek at tom's draft to see if there was any proofreading to do, but it looks like it just replaced a bunch of old text with references? Am I going crazy or does the actual text live somewhere else?

[brave cairn]

yep, we're replacing the text with loc strings so others can translate it into other languages

the actual text lives over in Tools-Modern/LanguageMerger

which is a little tool that just lets us split text up into more files so it's easier lol

[copper solar]

is that something i should look into for the field guide too, since i've been modifying the field guide english files only directly

[brave cairn]

nah unfortunately the field guide doesn't support loc strings

[exotic wraith]

yeah

sadly it cant be done

i could modify the tool to accept patchouli shenanigans

could theoretically be easy

since its just find and replace

but i dont have the time to do such things, nor update every single field guide entry for it

[brave cairn]

yeah not worth

[brave cairn]

I'm gonna take a crack at the boiler explosion thing that moni did and see if I can turn it into a mixin

worst case, just making the LBB never explode would also be ok, since that's what it was like in 0.7 lmao

(until GT fixes it properly of course)

[gloomy elm]

that would make sense I guess

not much choice

especially with how strong LBB can be in TFG

[brave cairn]

@cosmic veldt did you make the rose quartz autoclave recipe need liquid ice 👀 that could be fun

[cosmic veldt]

ooh I didn't but that would indeed be cool

[brave cairn]

and would mimic its "natural" conditions

[cosmic veldt]

yeah I'm justifying it "lore" wise as it only able to form at the sediment at the very bottom of glaciers or something like that

[brave cairn]

hell yeah

[gloomy elm]

So it would be mining it as an ore and autoclave then lathe then laser engraver?

Is there some Gt tool to automatically make a ore processing with by product and all?

[brave cairn]

no, there's two options:

1. go travel north and mine it by hand, then sift it to get the exquisite/flawless gem, then turn it into a lens
2. wait until mv, then craft the rose quartz by hand by mixing redstone/nether quartz dusts, then autoclave that to get the gems

[cosmic veldt]

as ore form it'd still be going through the purification then sifter process but in MV you'd have to create liquid ice (i still think we should call it ice slush tbh) to autoclave it

[brave cairn]

if you're able to find the lang key to rename it to ice slush, I'm all for it, I could only find the keys for the material and the dust items

[cosmic veldt]

ahh alright

[brave cairn]

since ice's material only has the fluid and the dusts, and the dusts have special names already, you can rename the material without affecting them

it'll just stick "liquid" in front of it

so ice material = "ice slush" -> fluid becomes "liquid ice slush"

[gloomy elm]

So we are not making a real ore?

How does that work?

[cosmic veldt]

the ore only spawns in the glacier features

I flew around in creative to see how often it spawned, it could be a very tiny bit less rare but I think overall it's good enough

[brave cairn]

yeah that

it's a feature-exclusive ore (for now, maybe we could put it on europa too, for fun lol)

[cosmic veldt]

there's also a core of raw ore blocks in the centre so most people will have zero issues getting the required lens from it once they find just one

[brave cairn]

yep feel free to tweak it, I had it cranked up high when testing it just so I could see it more often

[cosmic veldt]

ok i'm thinking right now but, it's really really weird to me that tapping latex is... not the main method to get rubber anymore
sure you centrifuge the logs to get rubber pulp, but isnt natural rubber straight up from sap in the first place?
here's what I suggest:

• latex should be the main precursor to rubber. All recipes that currently give raw rubber pulp directly from rubber tree materials should be changed due to the following:
• IRL ancient cultures (like the mesoamericas; the olmecs were named for their rubbermaking) treated latex with sulfur-containing sap to increase the latex's elasticity and keep it stable. People now use formic acid for a similar purpose to coagulate it for initial processing. This is what we call 'raw rubber pulp' in GTCEu as far as I can tell.
• we already have vulcanised latex for the rubber gloves making line. This should really be renamed to "treated latex" or something like that, because the heating part (with or without sulfur) is what vulcanisation really is, but it's a good first step.

given the above, I suggest:

latex -> treated latex (sulfur or wood ash) -> raw rubber pulp (this is tricky, barrel? mixing bowl? something to simulate real-life drying of the treated rubber)

• make all currently raw rubber pulp-producing recipes (centrifuging logs, extracting leaves and saplings, etc) produce latex instead. Steam extractor can probably be removed then because it serves no real purpose.

[brave cairn]

there's drying mats 🤔

[cosmic veldt]

yep but unfortunately won't work with fluids haha

[brave cairn]

ah lol

[cosmic veldt]

this does make sticky resin a weird thing but it could be produced directly from latex too without vats. It's not that important anymore since it's not how you get rubber

[brave cairn]

I'm open to changing it, but my main considerations are:

• with the current 0.9 system, you can still get sticky resin in basically any season as long as you have the right trees, and extracting from logs isn't season dependent. There was a fair bit of frustration with the old system where the game just said "no you can't progress any more" until the weather changed
• any new changes should make it possible to still progress in any time of year, although if that progression involves traveling south for a little bit, I'm not totally against

• we could always change sticky resin so the extractor does it instead of rubber