🚀EN - 1.20 Modpack Contribution Megathread

[brave cairn]

either that or mixin time

[cosmic veldt]

definitely mixin time

at least for now

[gloomy elm]

@exotic wraith At one point if you can restart the server

I want to do flour

but I don't want to use the quern lol

[exotic wraith]

Questions

Wdym by restart

And why the quern? We got the millstone

[gloomy elm]

If you stop and start the server it fixes the recipes for food

outputting rotten food

[exotic wraith]

What

That doesn't make sense

I haven't uploaded any new file to the server

[gloomy elm]

when the server starts it creates a date for food expiry

so at the beginning you can actually make the food without it being rotten

[exotic wraith]

Oh

[gloomy elm]

until you reach the date

[exotic wraith]

I see

That's... Dumb

[gloomy elm]

btw it seems that's the date is bugged

Since I logged the date never moved

[exotic wraith]

No

[gloomy elm]

actually I never saw the night now that i think about it

[exotic wraith]

That's intentional

Ah

[gloomy elm]

oh really

isn't that like cheating?

[exotic wraith]

Ok so

1. Iirc @brave cairn disabled daylight cycle at one point, dunno if they enabled it again
2. Whenever no players remain in the server, the entire TFC calendar system stops

I've seen logs about it in the console

[gloomy elm]

yeah when there is no one online we don't need to stop the calendar

it just stops by itself

and chunkloading doesn't count as active player

so you can chunkload your machine log out and when you come back the next day the date didn't move but all your process are finished

[exotic wraith]

Yeah

Ik

[gloomy elm]

thanksfully tfc has that though

that would be a mess

[exotic wraith]

Yeah

Either way I'll see if I got time to restart the server

[gloomy elm]

I'm using the quern for now

[exotic wraith]

I leave my house in T-6:20 hours

[gloomy elm]

not too bad

wdym?

[brave cairn]

I can turn the calendar back on, I disabled it because nebby and I were nolifing hard lol

and didn't want to send you guys back into another winter early

[gloomy elm]

no worries let me know when you log back I will go make myself some food and work on the side

I should finish the quests also for ore processing

[gloomy elm]

oups

it's a tfg item the scaffolding frame should i change the recipe with kubejs anyway?

[brave cairn]

lol whoops, yeah

four sticks for the right one would be fine tbh

what else do we think needs to be done for 0.9.2? just the rest of tom's quest things and then the field guide ore pages?

[gloomy elm]

yeah I should finish MV and ore proc before 0.9.2 depending when you want to push it

[coral vault]

I was looking into this last night. Seems like tfc item renderer use their own system for armor trim. Which makes it not work with trim materials from other mods. I'll see if I can fix it with java

[brave cairn]

alright! don't worry too much about it though, it's easy enough to just disable brass/zinc/vanadium, the tfc materials already offer a lot of options

[exotic wraith]

I have on my bucket list creating a Tree Index (because I'm insane)

But I'll look into that once I'm back home

[rustic thunder]

btw is ther anything that adds parachutes in 0.9

[brave cairn]

parachutes?

[cosmic veldt]

weve had gliders for a long while

[rustic thunder]

oh right

ig those work

[brave cairn]

#1363908198750486548 message

apparently the mining machines don't work?

[coral vault]

got custom materials working with tfc armor. (string is just for the test) didnt even need java code, just need to declare tfc armor types along side normal armor types in the block atlas. Ill fix the other materials and implement the gems probably tonight after work

[brave cairn]

ooh!

very cool, glad it wasn't complicated

would this be adding new armor trims technically?

[coral vault]

yeah, unfortunatly its all done through json, so kinda slow

[coral vault]

what i did is adding new materials to existing trims. New trims can be added

[brave cairn]

ohh

that makes sense

so there's no new colors, you can just use multiple gems for the same colors

[coral vault]

no it is new colors

trims are the designs, materials are the colors

[brave cairn]

wrong term then, I see

[coral vault]

I can have whatever colors I want by making palette textures

[brave cairn]

so lots of new colors for the same designs, sounds awesome

how do you feel about like... a neutronium trim material? as a sort of, endgame flex lol

[coral vault]

would be cool

the colors are assigned through a palette texture... im wondering if i can animate it

👀

[brave cairn]

:O

[coral vault]

i have a feeling it wont work but its worth a shot lol

[exotic wraith]

nothing another C# tool cant fix

[coral vault]

I don't know C# ☺️

But!

I'm pretty sure I can use kubejs to format json

I'll look into it later

[brave cairn]

you can use another preferred language if you like haha

c# is just what nebby and I like the most

[coral vault]

Js is what I know the best

I'm trying to read some java guides. Classes are where I'm having to learn a lot of new stuff

What is a void? And why is it static? 🥀🥀💔

[brave cairn]

lol

I'm sure we can help answer questions if you're stuck!

[coral vault]

For sure

[exotic wraith]

Void is a class in Java? thats dumb

anyways

Void (at least in C#, which is VERY similar to java, but 30 times better), represents that a Function doesnt return a value

p sure the same applies for Java

//This does not return anything, you call it as is. DoSomeWork(SomeClassInstance);
void doSomeWork(SomeClass foo)

//This does not require an argument, but it returns a string, you can get the string back by doing "String returnVal = DoOtherWork();"

String doOtherWork()```

Worth mentioning that Null != Void

iirc you cant make a method declaration that explicitly returns null

in C# at least

(you can make a method that returns a null value, but the method declaration cannot return null itself)

[brave cairn]

yeah, null is a value, void is a type (or rather, it means 'typeless' kind of)

for java and c# at least

c++ has void as a type! so you can have void* objects!

[coral vault]

Thank you! Makes sense I guess. Don't know why they didn't just make null and void the same but there's probably a reason

[exotic wraith]

tbh the void type is a thing in C mainly

since Void* does exist there as well

[brave cairn]

historical - void came first, null as a concept is relatively new

in stuff like C for example, null doesn't exist and you just use 0 instead

c++ only got nullptr relatively recently

[exotic wraith]

null is very common on OOP

since classes can be null, stuff like Structure Data types are always by value so a "null" structure data is legit just a default version of it

(unless you use nullable value types in C# :v)

(nullable value types my beloved)

[coral vault]

Thanks for the history lesson

I can feel the can of white monster manifesting already

[exotic wraith]

dont forget the socks

https://tenor.com/view/programmer-socks-gif-25261527

[cosmic veldt]

i just drank a white monster like a minute ago

lmao

[coral vault]

https://tenor.com/view/peixeskol-gif-18314709

[brave cairn]

@exotic wraith what's the right way to add mods now? there's a corpse + curios compat mod that might fix a bug or two relating to them

[exotic wraith]

Uhhh

Right so

You'll want to use java -jar pakku.jar add prj
First argument will be the place where you'll want to download it. --cf for cursforge and --mr for modrinth

Second argument is the project name, followed by the version you want

In cursforge, the version is in the URL itself, at the end of it, it's exclusively a string of numbers

In modrinth, you can click the ID in the version download page

IF both mods exists in the two distribution platforms, add them both

Ensure they're the same version as well

@brave cairn

[brave cairn]

ok so basically: specify the version specifically for both instead of just doing "add proj" and yoloing it, got it

[brave cairn]

alright, added it, and the pakku lock looks ok too

started messing around with the primitive creatures update locally

by default it just sprinkles them around the surface by themselves, which is kinda boring

it also adds whatever these are supposed to be

which we can disable of course

lol, the grey one spawns illagerbrine

who... flies up, spawns silverfish and other illagers

he drops a recovery compass and two of the blue ones which are basically allay spawn eggs

ngl I forgot allays are in this version of mc lol

[brave cairn]

ah ffs just noticed a ton of recipes broke and fucking GT just gives a callstack instead of saying what the actual error is

[23:17:23] [Thread-57/ERROR]: Exception loading plugin provided by gtceu
java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "com.tterrag.registrate.util.entry.ItemProviderEntry.asStack()" because the return value of "com.google.common.collect.Table.get(Object, Object)" is null
at com.gregtechceu.gtceu.common.machine.trait.customlogic.ArcFurnaceLogic.buildRepresentativeRecipes(ArcFurnaceLogic.java:114) ~[gtceu-1.20.1-1.6.4.jar%23477!/:?]
at com.gregtechceu.gtceu.api.recipe.GTRecipeType.buildRepresentativeRecipes(GTRecipeType.java:336) ~[gtceu-1.20.1-1.6.4.jar%23477!/:?]
at com.gregtechceu.gtceu.integration.emi.recipe.GTRecipeEMICategory.registerDisplays(GTRecipeEMICategory.java:37) ~[gtceu-1.20.1-1.6.4.jar%23477!/:?]
at com.gregtechceu.gtceu.integration.emi.GTEMIPlugin.register(GTEMIPlugin.java:74) ~[gtceu-1.20.1-1.6.4.jar%23477!/:?]
at dev.emi.emi.runtime.EmiReloadManager$ReloadWorker.run(EmiReloadManager.java:188) ~[emi-1.1.20+1.20.1+forge.jar%23437!/:?]
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833) ~[?:?]

[brave cairn]

fixed it

apparently gregtech needs (cast) iron tools to exist, otherwise this specific recipe shits the bed and makes the rest of gt fail to load

so I had to add them back but just gave them worse-than-copper stats, lol

[coral vault]

This Greg guy makes some interesting choices

[brave cairn]

I'm guessing it's this part with the custom naming

[cosmic veldt]

weird

[brave cairn]

reminded myself that the original vanilla brick recipe only gives 1 instead of 4 and changed the compressor recipe into an assembler one with concrete just like the others

added assembler recipes for all the deco ones too

[coral vault]

I thought I did that?

I need to stop coding at 3am

I blame my job for keeping me so late 👍

[cosmic veldt]

just thinking out loud here but: I was thinking about food in tfg for a while and, if we ever wanna do the "further tech leads to more food output" thing and make it actually warranted and better than just pumpkin chunking it up, there should be some aspect that simulates real life settlements becoming larger and larger over time
I don't mean villagers or w/e, because we know that's just going to be annoying to try and balance and people will game the hell out of it anyway. So my thoughts instead are make it a sort of simulation management thing to begin with? You feed and house them, and maybe even more down the line, and they provide you with goods/services

my ideas are:

• build multiblock structures to "house" incoming settlers and give them food, they're not explicitly walking around the map as entities but they're just simulated in the blocks
• You must provide food - they will take them automatically from some central "town pantry" storage as long as it's not rotten. If they go 2 days without food they'll leave the house and it'll be vacant
• maybe you'll get some stuff back in return, something that passively makes machines/processes better or whatever, simulate them 'working' for you?

it'll feel a little lifeless building huge housing complexes with nobody walking around them, maybe if i ever work on a mod like this I'll have villagers walking around but not doing much just to add flavor

[gloomy elm]

@brave cairn why not keep the same items for long distance pipe but just voltage at HV?

Vanadium steel may be a bit expensive ?

[brave cairn]

is it? there's lots of vanadium in magnetite veins

[gloomy elm]

It’s not rare per say but it’s not the easiest and faster alloy to get

[gloomy elm]

If food would be fix I would agree that having a multiblock dedicated to food would be nice I agree e

[brave cairn]

this sounds like a very complicated thing that would probably be good as its own mod, if you get what I mean

unless you just make them big multiblocks I guess

[gloomy elm]

Polyvinyl Chloride is fine because you gonna need a lot of anyway

But I would keep the steel part of it

And keep it at HV

So trains trains 🚂

[cosmic veldt]

yeah it's something that i might want to work on if I get into java modding

[brave cairn]

my idea was to just give some more love to the underused materials gt has, rn you basically never make the ones like cobalt brass or vanadium steel because they're primarily used for tools, and we have early colored steel to overshadow them

[cosmic veldt]

something I definitely am interested in is simulating economy of scale in this pack, because what's technological innovation when it's just concerning like 1 or 2 people on a server

other packs have done something like this by allowing output from factories to be sold for currency etc, but i don't think that fits as well with tfg's "starting from the stone age" kind of vibe

[gloomy elm]

Thats rough because you don’t need that much ressources in TFG

Everyone would just make its own

[brave cairn]

gt does have a bunch of coin items, though I think they're removing them in their next major version

[gloomy elm]

Vanadium Steel is used for coils ( RTM)

[brave cairn]

oh boy the coil you make once and then immediately toss out 😛

[gloomy elm]

True they are the worst

Usually I just make one EBF with them to grab the HSS as fast as possible lol

Well I mean there won’t be wireless AE2 before very long so people may go for the long pipes even if it needs vanadium

I think the gears are used for some large fluid rig also

But yeah it doesn’t has much use

[brave cairn]

vanadium steel only needs the base ebf to smelt so it's not so bad

[gloomy elm]

You need a lot of vanadium later on though I don’t remember for what

Oh yeah for Vanadium Gallium

Advanced SMD

Well we can still use other way to make more vanadium

Would love that

[cosmic veldt]

is there any kubejs stuff i could be working on right now, got some free time on my hands until thursday

[brave cairn]

hmmm I think we're mostly good on kube stuff for now? 0.9.2 is mostly just needing the field guide changes and tom's quest stuff

[cosmic veldt]

hmm alright

what about beyond that, lv+ progression excluding space?

do we have any big plans there

[gloomy elm]

Well it’s all gonna be about space and nothing is defined yet so

Maybe beginning to think about how to make the rocket

Sky of Grind has a crazy recipe for the rocket 🚀

Maybe too crazy 😂

[cosmic veldt]

oh right i should maybe start messing around with ad astra

[brave cairn]

yeah but let's get out the create changes first, I think

the create 6 stuff

one thing that needs doing is seeing which mods we're still waiting on to update

[gloomy elm]

aren't we screwed with mod like Create Horse?

[brave cairn]

no idea!

[cosmic veldt]

the big one is vintage i believe

mod author seems to have gone a bit dark

we have a fork but..

[brave cairn]

vintage at least has a fork on github that adds compat, but the licensing might be a bit tricky on that one

we could see what the fork did and turn it into a mixin if necessary

I'm not sure what else hasn't been updated yet

[cosmic veldt]

you probably are right that create 6 and integrating all that new stuff into our progression is the next big step

any blockers from unupdated mods nonwithstanding

[brave cairn]

I'll still have to merge my space branch with all the 0.9 stuff... not looking forward to that lol

but yeah, if you're looking for something to do, create 6 stuff is the next big milestone so it'd be worth investigating that

[cosmic veldt]

got it

[brave cairn]

otherwise, how interested are you in designing structures?

[cosmic veldt]

hmm.. I like building a decent bit but anything to do with actually implementing them i have zero clue

[brave cairn]

https://gist.github.com/GentlemanRevvnar/387f9ee28613715c187a36dbc1dff35d this tutorial is pretty good

something that'd be nice is having some structures for these new illagers

[cosmic veldt]

true true

[brave cairn]

I know redeix wanted to do some more like, historical climate-dependent structures but idk if he wanted to put these in them?

[cosmic veldt]

the illagers do have a few variations right?

could probably be reasoned to be different tribes based on climate

[brave cairn]

there's about 6 I think yeah

[gloomy elm]

Illagers would only spawn around their structures?

Cause I feel it's important to stay cautious about making the overworld too dangerous in TFC where we should need to travel thousands of blocks

[brave cairn]

yeah I was thinking that

putting them only in structures would be fine

very telegraphed

[gloomy elm]

at least you can see them from far

making a detour is okay

I'm still suffering from PTSD in Hardorck where dumb spiders would kill me 2k blocks from my base

[brave cairn]

lol

sounds like hardrock

[gloomy elm]

I was thinking about while speaking about aqueducts

but is it on purpose that we are able to easily make water sources by using ice block?

I mean I even used them in the beneath

[brave cairn]

it's not that way in normal tfc, no

[cosmic veldt]

ok i've done some quick messing around with create 6 and.....

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[exotic wraith]

Hi chat

[cosmic veldt]

Create 6.0 incompatibilities

• Create: Steam and rails (update in progress)

• Create Vintage Improvements (Fork exists)

• Create Connected (update in progress)

• Create Horse Power (seems abandoned by original author Fork exists and will likely be updated very soon)

• CC:C Bridge (Patch coming for 1.21.1, unknown for 1.20)

• Oculus/Flywheel compat (this is a big one, i have no idea if this will ever be updated)

• TFG core - Potato launcher projectiles file. Probably remove this and move to their datapack format.
  java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/simibubi/create/content/equipment/potatoCannon/PotatoCannonProjectileType$Builder

• Updated mods:
  Crafts and Additions -> 1.20.1-1.3.1
  Greate -> 0.0.39
  KubeJS Create -> 2001.3.0-build-8
  Create Deco -> 2.0.3-1.20.1
  CCTweaked 1.113 -> 1.115.1
  FramedBlocks 9.3.1 -> 9.4.1

I don't have a java dev env set up on this pc so I can't recompile tfg core to try if it works if you remove the potato launcher stuff but it should technically work?

[brave cairn]

yeah the potato launcher isn't an issue (does anyone use it anyway?) but the rest is 😬

at least a lot of them are getting updates still, but VI and horse power...

oculus/flywheel compat just makes create lag shaders less, unfortunate but not required

[cosmic veldt]

we might have to remove horse power if push comes to shove

[brave cairn]

😭

[cosmic veldt]

and VI... well we'll figure out something

[brave cairn]

at lesat the forks exist..

[cosmic veldt]

since HP just adds 1 power source I wonder if we could make our own implementation that's more tfc-flavoured and put it into tfg core

have it hook into animal familiarity, etc

[brave cairn]

idk how abandoned HP is because they did reply to my feature request last month

https://github.com/SteamPunkNation/CreateHorsePower/issues/10

[cosmic veldt]

the base repo hasnt been updated since last year september but this is a bit better news

there's a few mod authors we need to hear back from... hotornot is another one

[brave cairn]

I know the hotornot guy is also around somewhere cuz I spoke to them a few weeks ago about one of their other tfc addons

it is that time of year when everyone's busy with exams, if it makes a difference

[cosmic veldt]

ahh exams

lmao

you tend to forget once you're out of that age range

[brave cairn]

lol same

[cosmic veldt]

it feels bizarre not having set break periods anymore now i gotta ASK for time off 😭 😭

[brave cairn]

lol

[cosmic veldt]

ah!

well there's our fix

now to try and get ahold of VI's creator somehow

[gloomy elm]

Ahah I know I have papers to correct right now and even more coming

[cosmic veldt]

alright time to set up a forge modding environment on this pc later on

[gloomy elm]

and summer should be here soon so work is buzzing

we don't do much in winter

[cosmic veldt]

i wanna get this potato launcher chicanery out of the way so i can at least verify the pack starts up if i exclude the incompatible mods

[brave cairn]

sounds like a good plan!

[gloomy elm]

shall we remove the ability for the saw to cut the basic ice block?

This ability definitely removes the usefulness of the bucket so idk

it's a huge qol but at the same time

[brave cairn]

it does feel a bit cheaty yeah

[cosmic veldt]

it makes sense that you'd be able to move the ice around by sawing it (thats how people got ice for their coolers before refrigeration) but realistically there needs to be a reverse heat mechanic where it can warm up in your inventory and melt etc if the temp is too high

otherwise it's just free water sources everywhere

there's not much use for ice other than to move the water anyway

at the moment

[brave cairn]

I wonder which mod is adding back the breaking-water-makes-a-water-source thing

or if ice blocks just normally aren't obtainable in tfc

idk

[gloomy elm]

that's too complicated if you ask me

seems easier to remove the ability for the saw to keep ice block

[brave cairn]

picking up ice is useful for the nether 🤔

[gloomy elm]

I would need to test in tfc but I guess the saw can't do it?

can't we limit it to an other kind of ice?

[cosmic veldt]

is it perhaps because we use GT saws instead of tfc saws

[brave cairn]

I don't know

[gloomy elm]

my game isn't launched but I guess usually there is blue ice/dense ice?

[cosmic veldt]

anyway apparently cellars back in the day made you go out and grab blocks of ice to fuel it

[gloomy elm]

I think i saw a let's play in which people used ice block in their cellar to have better preservation

idk if it really works

[brave cairn]

the firmalife cellar only uses your location's average temp

people keep putting ice in it but it doesn't do anything, yeah

[gloomy elm]

That’s what I thought

Thanks for confirming

[brave cairn]

hm...

[cosmic veldt]

it would be nice if firmalife added something to let you actively make the cellar better somehow

[brave cairn]

so I think packed ice/blue ice/sea ice still spawns, in icebergs

what we could do, is change the normal ice loot table to not drop anything

[gloomy elm]

That would be a good compromise I feel if the saw still works on them but not on the basic ice

[brave cairn]

so if you want ice for the nether, you have to go find a glacier

[gloomy elm]

Would be perfect

And we needed more ways to push people to travel that seems perfect

It’s not mandatory

[brave cairn]

and I'm pretty sure packed/blue ice doesn't turn into source blocks either. Not sure about sea ice

[gloomy elm]

But its strong if you do

[brave cairn]

maybe we could add a recipe where you can turn all the ice shavings into a block of packed ice or something, lol

[gloomy elm]

I mean we could with the pressurizer?

[brave cairn]

that'd work

[gloomy elm]

One more use for it

[cosmic veldt]

or wine press

[brave cairn]

that too!

that stomping thing isn't used for much rn

[gloomy elm]

I would like to try wine though

I have no idea what it does

Will do that this weekend on the server

But I need to finish the quests before 🫨

Ore processing and lang file is done

Now it’s doing the MV lang file

[brave cairn]

pog

[cosmic veldt]

what's the process for doing lang files now again

I know the tool exists but... I don't actually know what it does

[gloomy elm]

#💬│modern-chat-en message

I may nerf a bit the steam cost?

One should be enough ?

[brave cairn]

🤔 one dedicated boiler per bloomery sounds fair

[gloomy elm]

I will modify it and push it with everything else later on then

so it's a dedicated one for the bloomery

[brave cairn]

I'll look at the ice thing

[pearl gale]

What is the recommended version of Forge for a Minecraft server?

[zealous atlas]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/blob/dev/.pakku/server-overrides/forge-auto-install.txt#L13

[gloomy elm]

So after a discussion with Zero what do you think ?

#💬│modern-chat-en message

Either the Steam Bloomery needs 2 liquid boilers but can skip a stage of bloom

Or no skipping but needs only one boiler to work at max parallel

[brave cairn]

I did buff forge hammers so they're only 20ish seconds per bloom stage

[gloomy elm]

So option 2?

[cosmic veldt]

i prefer to have them just be able to run from 1 boiler

[gloomy elm]

Okay ✅

[cosmic veldt]

they're automated machines, them taking long is not a big issue

[gloomy elm]

That makes more sense I agree

[cosmic veldt]

and then when you unlock lv you can just arc furnace them (dunno if this is changed) so no more worries

[gloomy elm]

Yeah arc furnace is the next option for ingots

[brave cairn]

alright I think I'm done with the ice stuff - turns out gregtech just checks for the minecraft:ice tag, so if I remove that from minecraft:ice, the saw won't pick it up any more

surely this won't have any unforseen consequences

:clueless:

I added loot tables for the packed/blue/sea ice so they give more of these ice shavings
(this has a macerator/millstone recipe too, of 8 shavings -> 1 ice dust)

then a barrel to freeze the water

(stomping barrel will only accept one item as input)

I did do this though because why not

[gloomy elm]

This isn’t a normal one that makes water ?

[brave cairn]

this is packed ice, which doesn't make water 👍

[gloomy elm]

Perfect 👌

[brave cairn]

only normal ice and sea ice make water (sea ice turns into sea water)

[gloomy elm]

That’s a great fix

[brave cairn]

(regular water and sea water)

changed it a bit

also added some pot/vat recipes to heat your cold water back up, lol

[spiral lintel]

is that the infamous "liquid ice" i see

[brave cairn]

it is, lol

[cosmic veldt]

it's slush 🤫

[brave cairn]

it's a bit late, but the greate dev said they're interested in adding back the kinetic inputs/outputs

also, tada lol

[coral vault]

That would be cool

[coral vault]

Me when

[gloomy elm]

Okay Steam Bloomery is set for 28 mb/t and the High Pressure Liquid boiler is producing 30 mb/t so it seems okay

[brave cairn]

don't forget to add iron dust too

[gloomy elm]

oh gosh u right

why iron dust doesn't have the GT.Material iron lol ?

[brave cairn]

🤔 would be worth checking that the other guy didn't just miss the recipe

[gloomy elm]

I checked

And its not there :p

Making TFC and GT work together is really an impressive job

[brave cairn]

ah I see the issue

iron doesn't have an "output material" set

[gloomy elm]

Is that a solvable issue or should I just make a custom recipe for it so we don’t bother adding it?

[brave cairn]

juuust checking a fix

done

[gloomy elm]

okay nice thanks

so we good for the steam bloomer

[brave cairn]

well, you still wanted to adjust its steam amounts right?

[gloomy elm]

it's done

well it's in my branch

[brave cairn]

you should do more pull requests :p

[gloomy elm]

I want to do all in go now

I'm still learning how to do these pr right lol

[brave cairn]

generally you want to keep them divided by topic

[gloomy elm]

I guess that makes more sense

[brave cairn]

for example, one PR for quest stuff, one PR for one family of recipes, that sort of thing

[gloomy elm]

I should do branches named with the changes I do and push them separetly ?

a branch "quests" a branch "bloomery fix" stuffs like that?

[cosmic veldt]

you can have 1 dev branch that you put in prs from

but usually when i make my own branch i have a specific feature in mind i want to fix

and thus it's named that

it's more for your own ease of use than anything

[gloomy elm]

I should try to do that so it's better organized I guess

[brave cairn]

yeah that'd be better

[cosmic veldt]

also trying to refactor tfg-core for create 6.0 rn

the namespace changes are brutal

[brave cairn]

more frequent PRs = we all stay up to date with each other's code

[cosmic veldt]

it's all different

[brave cairn]

uh oh,

[cosmic veldt]

yeah that's why compatibility is taking a long time for these mods

not to mention various small api changes here and there

[brave cairn]

damn

yeah I don't blame 'em

hopefully these changes are for the better

in the long term at least

[cosmic veldt]

man i've never done anything more complex than like, my own jar only filled with my own files in them

using gradle, referencing external libs, its all new to me

[brave cairn]

haha yeah it's the deep end

[cosmic veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

hopefully once i wrap my head around this it should mean I can do a lot more

i definitely wanna try writing recipe serializers that support itemstackproviders or w/e

i think that was the way the tfc devs said i could fix our gt machine food issue

[gloomy elm]

Hmmmm

I don't know what the fuck I'm doing but I'm not sure yet

okay this may be a shit show

at this point I may wait to push the quest done

at least

And next time I will begin right away with different branches in my fork

I'm confuse about this one

[brave cairn]

that's just adding an empty line, it looks like

[gloomy elm]

so nothing to worry about?

why the hell did I add a line there lol

[brave cairn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

nah nothing to worry about

[gloomy elm]

Okay I gonna push Ore proc finished and MV reorganisation I will need to repush after with MV finished but at least I will send what I have so I can begin better

from sending too many pr to sending not enough I'm confident I will find the middle ground at one point

[brave cairn]

yeah I'm sure you'll get the hang of it

[zealous atlas]

Are there any issues with mods that haven't been updated?

[gloomy elm]

Create 6 changes a lot of things especially with dependencies

I think that's the next project, successfully updating Create and all its addon if possible

[zealous atlas]

there are no questions for the "NotUpdated" list

[gloomy elm]

Bulk washing at LV is 32 times faster than LV Ore washer :p

[coral vault]

i mean you can also just throw it all in a block of water too?

[gloomy elm]

don't get you the byproduct

[coral vault]

LV doesnt get you byproducts too tho? right?

[gloomy elm]

no it does it's only the macerator that is gated behind HV

I guess it's only 16 times faster if you use distilled water in the ore washer lol

[coral vault]

ah 🤔 probably too big of a hassle to change either way

[gloomy elm]

I'm afraid so yeah

[ancient relic]

did you put flux in the anvil and is the metal hot to the point of welding?

[coral vault]

# Armor Trim Automation Tool:
Hello, I added a tool to automate creating json files for armor trims! It is located at kubejs\server_scripts\tfg\json_tool.armor_trim.js
## What can this tool do?
This tool will take information you add to the material array and automatically create the armor_trim and blocks atlases located at kubejs\assets\minecraft\atlases , create trim material data sets at kubejs\data\tfc\trim_material and kubejs\data\minecraft\trim_material, assign hex color values to trim names, assign ingredients for smithing, assign minecraft:trim_materials tag to ingredients, and create en_us translations for materials.
Here is an example of an added material:

const materials = [
    {materialName: 'test', nameColor: '#E3D4C4', itemName: 'gtceu:copper_credit', indexNumber: 0.11, lang_en_us: 'Test'}
];

## How to add a new material:
Create a new value in the material array like the one above (note: the indexNumber must be unique to every material). Then you will still need to add a custom palette png to kubejs\assets\tfc\textures\color_palettes\trims. The palette must share the same name as the materialName. Then create the translations in the languageMerger file (note: since this tool creates translations you can just copy/paste them).

If you would like to create new translations other than en_us, simply add a new property to the value (example: lang_ru_ru) and create a new code block in the language section. Example: ```js
const langfilePath = 'kubejs/assets/tfc/lang/ru_ru.json';
let langdata = JsonIO.read(langfilePath) || {};

materials.forEach(material => {
langdata[trim_material.tfc.${material.materialName}] = material.lang_ru_ru;
});

JsonIO.write(langfilePath, langdata);

Other notes:

• If you create a material and then remove it you will have to manually enter each json and delete the information. If you just edit a material it should be fine.
• You will need to restart your client after each change "/reload" will not work.
• Animated trims are unfortunately not supported by Minecraft as far as I can tell
• I tried to get palette textures automated too but it seems like canvas methods dont work in this setting.
• Armor trims may not appear on the item model of some armor. This is because mojang thought it would be cool if you had to add every material to every item model for every armor. Luckily tfc armor has a function to automate it. But gtceu does not, and I aint bothering with it. The trim will still appear on the actual armor model.

Im going to add a bunch of trims and then push it later

[gloomy elm]

It seems the new update for Gregtech is getting ready

that may be quite the shit show to update

[brave cairn]

greate should be in "not updated"
everycomp is fine to update
jade is fine to update
falling trees (+ pandalib) didn't work the last time I updated it

[brave cairn]

is this at max rpm or what

[brave cairn]

very cool! would it be possible to move this to the tools repo?

so it can live with the others

[gloomy elm]

64 Rpm so just the max for steel

[coral vault]

not sure, it has to stay with server_scripts. So if i can add those files to the tools repo then thats good with me

[brave cairn]

I can't remember if the bulk washing has a duration we can fiddle with

[brave cairn]

why so?
with our c# tools we have a shared method to go up the cwd until it finds Tools-Modern, then goes across into Modpack-Modern and down

[coral vault]

while working on this ive noticed a sneaky custom trim that someone added 👀 with a particular flavor of iron

[coral vault]

it uses kubejs to add item tags. not really sure how your tools are made, since this is just done with js

[gloomy elm]

Doesn’t seem like so

But then I wonder if the Encased Fan at HV is better than the one at LV

Im already in my bed but i will test tomorrow

[brave cairn]

oh I seeee

I guess this one can stay then 😛

[coral vault]

lol

[brave cairn]

I guess we can find out, and either way, the thermafuge will still be a bottleneck

[gloomy elm]

Yeah and at the end of day the GCYR Gregtech will be better around IV/LuV

[brave cairn]

yeah for sure

[gloomy elm]

Well that’s still a long time for Create to be god but well

[coral vault]

i mean i can just add blank files to the tools repo right? thats a problem for another day. Its gregnight for me 🫡 once i finish adding the trims Ill push my stuff since I keep forgetting lol

[gloomy elm]

I did a massive push btw if you want to check the new quests

It’s progressing

Slowly but steadily

[brave cairn]

sure yeah

[cosmic veldt]

The only blockers preventing us from trying to get a create 6 implementation in at the moment are to my knowledge:

• Vintage Improvements (original mod author seems unreachable, fork exists for create 6 but licensing will be a nightmare)
• Oculus Flywheel Compat (unlikely to be updated)
• Create Horse Power (update actively in progress, checked with author yesterday)
• CC:C Bridge (will be updated for 1.21 version and later 1.20 update coming down the line)
• Create Steam and Rails (update underway, no ETA)
• TFG core (need someone to update it on our end, i am having a look)

[cosmic veldt]

from the VI fork author - it has been approved by CF fwiw

[brave cairn]

ooh

that's great news

speaking of create, I'm thinking of getting rid of Create: Connected just because it adds a bunch of fancy shafts and gearboxes that let you skip past greate

and iirc it doesn't add anything else that's critical

[cosmic veldt]

in an ideal world we would have a greate:gonnected that lets those be greateified because I really like the stuff it adds like the 6way gearbox

but meh understandable

we could just lock their recipes to higher greate tiers/disable the particularly bad ones specifically?

[brave cairn]

possibly, I'll take a closer look if there's anything else we could keep

but I think it was mostly just combo machines? like the 6 way gearbox is the same as two gearboxes next to each other, the adjustable one was just a gearbox glued to a rotation speed controller, etc

[cosmic veldt]

yep mostly just compactness

[spiral lintel]

my vertical vaults 😭

[brave cairn]

oh is that where those are from? fuck I was using those too 😭

fine I guess we can keep it but I'll still prob have to remove most of it

[spiral lintel]

i like the idea of gating the gearboxes

[brave cairn]

problem is that they're most useful in steam age and that's precisely when they're the most broken lol

@cosmic veldt I made some new create-6 branches in both Modpack-Modern and Core-Modern for you

@spiral lintel were you still up for helping with the proofreading btw?

[spiral lintel]

yes. Any particular subsection I should look at?

[brave cairn]

tfg tips is the main one for now, tom's still working on the greg chapters but those will need doing eventually as well

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Tools-Modern/blob/dev/LanguageMerger/LanguageFiles/tfg/en_us/Quests/tfg_tips.json

I did a bit of it already

[spiral lintel]

Do you mind if I rephrase too rather than just grammar checks? Some of the quests are honestly a bit verbose

[brave cairn]

yes please do!

[spiral lintel]

are the formatting codes the same ones from base minecraft?

for example &l is the same as §l for bold?

(some quests have lines mentioning bugs to watch out for, I want them in bold so it's not missed by players)

[brave cairn]

I believe so yeah

[cosmic veldt]

awesome thanks

when i get to it I'll just put in my prs for those into those branches then

[gloomy elm]

You shouldn’t look too much at HV I basically changed nothing for now for the quests

I got permission from WitherChat to use their texture for the Universal Circuits

[brave cairn]

what do those look like?

[gloomy elm]

Give me a second gonna show you

They fit perfectly the job

I need to get out of my bed

[brave cairn]

ah those look nice!

[gloomy elm]

yeah they do the job perfectly

we just need to credit and respect the licence

from what I look up the licence is basically do not modify

and to credit I guess it's about asking Xikaro to add a line to github and curse?

we also really should credit the GT Community modpack somewhere

@brave cairn Your comments are on stuffs unfinished

I wanted to do the PR anyway because I was beginning to be too much behind

[brave cairn]

kk I'll take a look tonight

[gloomy elm]

I gonna do it we more organisation from now on

[gloomy elm]

Okay so my new todo list:
-Adding the Universal Circuits
-Finishing Gregtech tips
-Finish Lang File of MV and GT Tips

I will try to do that before 0.9.2

Do you have an idea when should 0.9.2 approximatively

Also we should remove the multiblock dilemma of Gregtech honestly I don’t see its purpose

And other questions when you have different branches on your fork do you make different file for them on your computer ?

[cosmic veldt]

it feels kind of cool to have a multibock repository where you can see every multiblock but yeah it isn't very useful

the important ones will be cited in the progression anyway

[gloomy elm]

yeah they are it's all linked quests in this chapter

It looks cool but I don't know it feels overwhelming

[brave cairn]

yeah I've never thought it was useful

[brave cairn]

you use your IDE to "check out" the branch, which basically swaps your pc's files with what's on the branch

[brave cairn]

idk, a week or two? I'd like to have the field guide fixed up for then, which I'll do this weekend

how does that sound?

[gloomy elm]

sounds good to me to finish what I want to do

[gloomy elm]

Oh I see

My IDE is basically VSCode for me?

[brave cairn]

yep

[gloomy elm]

I need to watch some tutorials to understand how to do the swap

[merry briar]

wth is this?

it looks scary

[gloomy elm]

it's Moni progression but I wanted to show the Universal Circuits textures

[merry briar]

oh

cool

[gloomy elm]

Adding these will help with automation of AE2

[merry briar]

I like that

[gloomy elm]

I'm trying to make the implementation but that's a lot of new things to learn to do it ahah

good succeed first step

item is created with the texture

[cosmic veldt]

i think i got tfg-core running with create 6????

still need to test it though

[gloomy elm]

Great this is going well

Okay all good I need to add the lang file and create a recipe for them now

I'm thinking either Assembler on a weird circuit never used

[brave cairn]

honestly just a shapeless crafting recipe would be fine

don't need to complicate things

[gloomy elm]

or the Laser Engrave/cutting so it has a equivalent

hmmm

yeah I don't see any issue with doing it that way

oh

there is one though

that was the way you make the Programmed circuit

you can't make one in TFG though

[brave cairn]

are those still craftable?

[gloomy elm]

but you need it for the Greate Mixer

[brave cairn]

no you don't

they have a circuit thing on the block itself

[gloomy elm]

oh damn

[brave cairn]

jei just shows it weirdly

[gloomy elm]

that's incredibly well implanted

[brave cairn]

right? it's very cool

[gloomy elm]

oh I see that's so cool

[cosmic veldt]

greate is amazing

also wow gradle and maven are a pain in my goddamn butt

[gloomy elm]

Okay well let's go for the shapeless I don't think there should be any issue for now

[cosmic veldt]

i hate everything about this 🤣

[brave cairn]

#💬│modern-chat-en message

is this why our blowpipes still insulate

[gloomy elm]

That would make sense

[cosmic veldt]

i forgot to test this one ahah

ok what the hell..

    at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.gregtechceu.gtceu.common.machine.trait.customlogic.ArcFurnaceLogic.buildRepresentativeRecipes(ArcFurnaceLogic.java:114)
    at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.gregtechceu.gtceu.api.recipe.GTRecipeType.buildRepresentativeRecipes(GTRecipeType.java:336)
    at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.gregtechceu.gtceu.integration.emi.recipe.GTRecipeEMICategory.registerDisplays(GTRecipeEMICategory.java:37)
    at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.gregtechceu.gtceu.integration.emi.GTEMIPlugin.register(GTEMIPlugin.java:74)
    at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]+1.20.1+forge/dev.emi.emi.runtime.EmiReloadManager$ReloadWorker.run(EmiReloadManager.java:185)```

this isnt even a tfg bug this is something to do with maven repos or something

[brave cairn]

I recognise that stack

did you pull latest?

[cosmic veldt]

oh i should do that first huh

[brave cairn]

that's the "gregtech needs the iron pickaxe to exist" stack lol

[gloomy elm]

Why does my branche says I’m 12 commits ahead but no files changed. Should I just delete it and make a new one ?

[brave cairn]

that's fine, don't worry about it

[cosmic veldt]

OH

haha i see

[hoary sand]

ok that's getting somewhere...
MoldBlock extends ExtendedBlock implements IBellowsConsumer

oh no the create side looks... less hopeful

it's not implemented as a "apply 'you're being washed/blasted/smoked' to target, it has several hard-coded processes it applies and "lower temperature of a tfc liquid" is not one of them

so it pushes things and it can apply recipes to target items, but I don't see any way for the molding table to detect "I'm being washed this tick so do a thing"

[hoary sand]

uggggghhhhhhh https://github.com/Creators-of-Create/Create/pull/2830
tl;dr here's a way to let downstream mods do this, adresses all feedback..... no never mind we don't want this

[brave cairn]

downstream?

@zealous atlas just remembered, but don't update primitive creatures either

[hoary sand]

tfgtm is downstream of create

[zealous atlas]

I won't update anything for now, I just asked if there was a reason for the lack of an update

[spiral lintel]

Where are the original gt community pack quest lang files stored at?

I really need to know which exact shade of text colour they use for the voltage tiers

[brave cairn]

ah ok

the main reason for me is "I don't want to break everything again" 😛 as well as just being busy with other fixing

[cosmic veldt]

ok turns out everycompat also crashes pre 2.7.20 with create 6, add that one to the list i guess

[brave cairn]

damn

[cosmic veldt]

Every Compat 1.20-2.7.12 -> 1.20-2.7.26
Moonlight Library 1.20-2.13.51 -> 1.20-2.13.82
Added: LowDragLib 1.0.39

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075537614381252731/1313737316119871498/Tumblr_l_919934792770523.gif

I have excellent news!

[brave cairn]

that's great that there weren't any other huge issues at least

[cosmic veldt]

to reiterate for posterity:

• Updated mods:
  Create 1.20.1-0.5.1 -> 6.0.4
  Crafts and Additions ->1.20.1-1.2.5 -> 1.20.1-1.3.1
  Create:Connected 0.9.3 ->1.0.1
  Greate 0.0.38 -> 0.0.39
  KubeJS Create 2001.2.5-build.2 -> 2001.3.0-build-8
  Create Deco 2.0.2-1.20.1 -> 2.0.3-1.20.1
  CCTweaked 1.113 -> 1.115.1
  FramedBlocks 9.3.1 -> 9.4.1Every Compat 1.20-2.7.12 -> 1.20-2.7.26
  Moonlight Library 1.20-2.13.51 -> 1.20-2.13.82
  Create Horse Power 1.0.0 -> 1.1.0 (forked; likely will be PRed to main repo soon)
  Create Vintage Improvements 0.2.0.3 -> 0.3.1.0 (forked; fork approved by CF as offsite dependency)

Added: LowDragLib 1.0.39

• Mods TBD:
• Create: Steam and rails (update in progress)
• CC:C Bridge (Patch coming for 1.21.1, unknown for 1.20)
• Oculus/Flywheel compat (update unannounced)

found it surprising that for how big create 6 was of a leap most mods seem to have been updated one way or another

railway is the only big one that's still left to do so I think

well... time to go tfgreg-up some create 6 recipes!

[brave cairn]

yep, I think hardrock is waiting on that one as well

[brave cairn]

I was thinking something like... ulv circuits for the moving stuff around parts, and lv circuits for the auto crafting ones?

[cosmic veldt]

yep sounds good

I'll need to have a good look at what exactly create 6 adds, I've never played with it so idk

https://github.com/Creators-of-Create/Create/wiki/6.0.0 this should help though

[brave cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGVkC8ZVHHw this was a good overview vid

[cosmic veldt]

i'm gonna sit down with dinner soon (spent all afternoon doing the create 6 migration) so this will be nice to put on in the background

[gloomy elm]

Crazy work really excited about it

I feel this is giving us even more reasons to have AE2 at HV/EV behind moon

[brave cairn]

• removed adjustable chain gearshifts and all the gearbox stuff in create:connected
• removed a shaped glass dust recipe (you should need the mixer first)
• fixed the millstone recipe - turns out having both chisels (which we want to use durability of and not consume) and the handstone (which we want to consume and not use the durability of) is not possible, so I changed the chisel to a saw
• removed our TODO for the blowpipe and I tested it, it works fine for glass but can't hold ingots any more also buffed tongs even more up to 6x, after playing around with it. You still don't want to just sit there with an inventory full of them tho, their effect does stack
• increased steve's heat tolerance to 500C from 300C. Hot things from the oven still burn but the spicy effect goes away after only a second. Use a potholder or mittens!
• alternators now need 256 rpm to output 1A of LV, because it was too easy to get tons of power out of them as soon as you got aluminium

• fixed a bunch of window pane recipes to all be consistent with each other

[coral vault]

Does the saw use different mechanics from the chisel? I don't understand how it doesn't just do the same thing

[brave cairn]

because the saw is a gt tool and the chisel is a tfc tool

that's my best guess

[coral vault]

So it consumes the mill but doesn't consume the saw or take durability from the saw? 🤔

[brave cairn]

so normally for tfc recipes you have to specifically say whether to take durability from the inputs instead of just consuming them, for most things

(and for others, like buckets or barrels, you have to specifically say to consume them)

gregtech tools are part of the "you have to specifically say to consume them" group

chisels and handstones are part of the "will be consumed unless you say otherwise" group

also... the cog in the basic windmill is made out of wood, so the saw still makes sense 😅

[coral vault]

Oh neat. Didn't realize that Gregtech tools behaved differently

[gloomy elm]

They should have a meeting and get to do the same thing lol

[coral vault]

so apparently if you assign an item with the c:hidden_from_recipe_viewers tag to an item that is used in the smithing table it completely bricks the smithing table from ever working

dont ask me how many hours i spent just to figure that out

no log error either ;)

[brave cairn]

I love modding minecraft!!

[coral vault]

https://tenor.com/view/cereal-throw-angry-guy-out-of-milk-gif-14265412

[hardy flax]

steve casually holding liquid lead

dont eat snow on venus

[coral vault]

steve just a g like that

[hardy flax]

steve can breath in the nether

he don't care whatever pollutant he is breathing on

[coral vault]

@brave cairn thoughts on making neutronium trim look like the dev texture?

also thought it would be cool if the bismuth trim could show off its nice oxidation colors

[brave cairn]

lol that's fun, I like it

[coral vault]

figured something better than just gray lol

[brave cairn]

pretty!

[brave cairn]

my original thought was just a rainbow or something lol

[coral vault]

i kinda stole that thought for bismuth but i could shift the hues

[brave cairn]

nah it's cool

shame they can't be animated but ah well

[coral vault]

looks cool with the endgame armor too

[brave cairn]

neat

[coral vault]

yeah. interestingly the trim can be animated, but the base armor texture doesnt. So the trim looks fine, but the armor gets stretched out

theres a bug report on mojang and it says its in development so hopefully they fix it. Cause it would be rad

[brave cairn]

ahh

[brave cairn]

does anyone have any other thoughts on whether or not we want to gate create 6 by more traveling? some ideas:

• an ore that's climate dependent
• a wood that's climate dependent (or a specific wood byproduct that isn't from tropical trees)
• something involving brown dye? iirc that one's kinda difficult to get
• a tool or something you have to find from a structure (either rng dependent, or if it's in a fixed location, kinda boring if you're just holding W to go there)
• something nether exclusive

or just some material that isn't used so much (regular quartz is only used for like one thing iirc, more stuff with exquisite/flawless gems? or some of the other gems that rn are only used for electrolysis)

[rustic thunder]

create 6 as in unlimited su shafts and the like?

[brave cairn]

no lol

as in the item logistics and auto crafting stuff

[hardy flax]

Neutronium and it’s quantum properties ||its neutron||

[cosmic veldt]

ooh i had a writeup about create 6 stuff in the works

[hardy flax]

It’s useful for long distance item travel

I mean long distance pipe exist but whatever

[brave cairn]

that's trains

[hardy flax]

I know I know but it’s nice alternative

Or early auto crafting

[cosmic veldt]

I envision the progression for create 6.0 logistics being similar to factorio and how the logistics network is unlocked in tiers there.
So the storage stuff is unlocked first (this means storing + seeing what's in the storage, accessing it, manually taking stuff out), then all the auto-requesting, stocking of resources, etc is the next tier, then finally the logic-based autocrafting system.

ULV:

Packager/re-packager (packager packs attached inventory/unpacks packages into inventory, re-packager acts as a buffer to wait for specific items in incoming packages)
Postbox (uses trains to route packages inserted into them)
Frogport (similar to postbox, but uses chain networks instead)
Package filter (allows you to route packages over belt networks by destination address)

LV:

Stock link/Stock Ticker (link makes attached packager inventory available to network, think passive provider chest from factorio. ticker makes (manual) requests to the network)
Redstone Requester (requests specific items to linked network when given redstone signal)
Factory Gauge (auto-requests items from network; Think requester chest from factorio. Can also auto-route materials to specific paths to auto-craft, very powerful, think ME interfaces)

[brave cairn]

sounds good to me

[cosmic veldt]

oh right I'll also need to figure out how to make TFG chains work with the chain networks too huh

that's gonna be a pain

[brave cairn]

I mean it might just be an easy mixin

find out where create is looking for the chain item and change it to look for our tfc chains instead

worst case we can always just add a recipe to turn tfc chains into the vanilla one lol

[gloomy elm]

A good idea to gate auto craft at LV could be to add a new lens that you can make only from a new ore you have to put through sifting

So like Kapop you need to do the big look up only once

[brave cairn]

lol, rose quartz lens

[gloomy elm]

good idea lol

[cosmic veldt]

ooh good idea i don't think rose quartz is used for anything or craftable

[brave cairn]

greate did turn it into a greg material already, I just have it all disabled since we weren't using it

[cosmic veldt]

create 6 does add this new item which is used for the stock link etc items

[brave cairn]

should we make it a climate sensitive ore? or just stick it in the regular quartz veins? (would be nice to put something else in there since certus will also be going away)

[cosmic veldt]

so we could make that be rose quartz gated

[brave cairn]

true! maybe that needs a rose quartz lens to make or something

[gloomy elm]

I would go with climate sensitive

[cosmic veldt]

LV emitter recipe but with the quartzite switched out for rose quartz?

[gloomy elm]

nah

just two different things

can you show recipe of the transmitter please?

[cosmic veldt]

doesn't have one in tfg yet

[gloomy elm]

I mean in Create

just to understand

what's its uses

[cosmic veldt]

oh right

yeah we remove the base create recipes to start with in tfg so i need to look at the other instance to check gimme a moment

oh they also moved the redstone link to andesite casing tier

top to bottom, stock link, display link, redstone link

[gloomy elm]

thanks

so basically it's the item that you need for each storage access and auto crafting order?

[cosmic veldt]

stock link seems to be the core ingredient for all of those, yep

this is the stock ticker

factory gauge

[gloomy elm]

I need to rewatch a video on Create 6 i'm a bit lost

[cosmic veldt]

a nice one was linked here by pyritie yesterday

[gloomy elm]

If it's only autocrafting I would gate it behind rode quartz laser lens

[gloomy elm]

that's the one i saw when it got released

[brave cairn]

I forgot how simple all of create's recipes are lol, I'm too gregged

[brave cairn]

yeah of course, rn the other two use ulv circuits directly iirc

[cosmic veldt]

also for having a bunch of packaging boxes etc the packagers don't actually use cardboard as a fuel or anything? you just use cardboard to make the packager

[gloomy elm]

Rose quartz could be found in very cold climate so people needs better equipment than the primitive ones

[gloomy elm]

it's not consumme as you can open it and all?

Damn I need to play test it

[cosmic veldt]

yeah the package is just a wrapper that goes away when you open one

[gloomy elm]

oh

You know rose quartz could also not be underground but as a uphill structure

[brave cairn]

uphill structure?

[gloomy elm]

yeah I don't know how to say that lol

like a really small hill

[brave cairn]

as in, a structure structure, or do you mean something like how kaolin is only in specific biomes?

[gloomy elm]

let me look for the world

[brave cairn]

lol, we could make rose quartz be in only low elevation biomes to be the opposite of kaolin

[gloomy elm]

oh like a mound

[gloomy elm]

low elevation and cold

found as mound

so there is no mining involed

[brave cairn]

hmmm.. maybe using those raw rose quartz blocks that create has

[gloomy elm]

it would be under snow so you could notice by these smalls mounds you could see

[brave cairn]

lol or under freezing cold water, yeah lol

[gloomy elm]

You mean like the rose quartz ore is protected by a layer of ice? 😂

so to get to them you have to break the ice and get wet

while it's -20

[brave cairn]

oh I meant the oceans but lol I like that idea

[gloomy elm]

Low altitude / Up north / Protected by ice / Sticking out of the ground

So it would be hard to get because of the rash climate and water around it but wouldn't be too hard to see

[brave cairn]

yeah!

[gloomy elm]

because Kaolin may be hard to see but at least you have food everywhere and it's not too bad to survive

[brave cairn]

well besides the crocs lol

[gloomy elm]

these damn crocs

The demies of my group of friends while doing the expedition for Kaolin and Kapop

I'm seing a weird bug with the shapeless crafting for Universal Circuit and AE2
If I create a recipe that accept substitution it can't do the craft so people would just need to know to not use substitution

which isn't really an issue can just put it in the quest

[brave cairn]

I think the vanilla geode configured feature should be a good way to get what we're looking for - have ice as the outer shell then rose quartz all inside

[gloomy elm]

Or I guess I would need to create a group of tag that excludes the universal circuit just to make this craft

but I can't be bother lol

[gloomy elm]

oh true that would be perfect

[brave cairn]

what does the substitution do exactly?

[gloomy elm]

use the tag for crafting

doable only with the crafting table that doesn't work for Processing pattern

[brave cairn]

ahhh there's the catch

[gloomy elm]

    event.shapeless(Item.of('tfg:ulv_universal_circuit', 1),['#gtceu:circuits/ulv'])

because it asks for any circuits ulv

I guess it asks for itself

I could make a new tag for fircuit that excludes the universal circuit and is only useful for this recipe

you know that may be worth is for ease of use

[rustic thunder]

idk but idea of climate specific ore seems weird to me, especially if its for progression

[brave cairn]

hey if it works

[brave cairn]

I mean you've already got kaolin, even if it isn't really an ore

[gloomy elm]

TFC is about that though

[cosmic veldt]

this also isn't really progression it's optional

[gloomy elm]

travelling to specific climate to find specitif things you need for progression

[cosmic veldt]

if you want early logistics up you'll have to work for it is my thought

[brave cairn]

maybe we could do something like, either find rose quartz early to get logistics early, or make rose quartz at home in MV or something

[cosmic veldt]

that's also a good idea

[brave cairn]

MV autoclave idk

[cosmic veldt]

my thought initially was to put the factory gauge at least behind MV lol

but that works better

[brave cairn]

nah that's too late imo

[rustic thunder]

alt ways to make stuff r nice ig

[brave cairn]

you don't want it to be too close to ae2, otherwise people might just skip it and rush ae2 instead

[cosmic veldt]

so LV if you wanna bother with exploring (it'll also spawn in the neath in some capacity assume)
MV if you're ok with waiting a bit

[brave cairn]

I mean if we're making rose quartz cold associated, the nether doesn't make much sense haha

[cosmic veldt]

lol true

[brave cairn]

if you wanna gate it to be a bit later in LV, you could have it require a diode

[cosmic veldt]

oh that's like after polyethylene even

that sounds fine

[brave cairn]

nooo you can make them with glass

[cosmic veldt]

actually no that's the wrong recipe

its glass lol

[brave cairn]

you need them for the LV circuit assembler is my reasoning

[cosmic veldt]

post LV assembler sounds good

[brave cairn]

yeah for sure

[gloomy elm]

Idk if you took the time to go get the rose quartz and it's already gated behind laser engraver is already good enough?

especially as you also need a sifter from GT or Create

[brave cairn]

that's true tbh

[spiral lintel]

you don't want to gate create 6 too much. People are already biased against create, and create logistics seem to be more complex than anything in existing create.

[cosmic veldt]

im now thinking the lens idea might be a little meh because GT seems to have moved towards allowing colored lenses to be interchangeable

[spiral lintel]

don't want to give people excuses to rush AE2 even more

[brave cairn]

the rose quartz sounds like enough

[spiral lintel]

and AE2 is HV, it's not that far from LV

[cosmic veldt]

I'm thinking ULV at the earliest if you're willing to go find rose quartz in the world, LV autoclave to get rose quarts otherwise?

as an alternative

[brave cairn]

normally the dyed lenses aren't until HV

[cosmic veldt]

oh wow those are pretty late huh

[brave cairn]

it'll be eventually moved to space, so it'll be a bit more gated too

[brave cairn]

LV autoclave is too easy to rush imo

[cosmic veldt]

true but if theyre willing to rush the autoclave just to get logistics early i maybe say let them haha

we can gate the really good stuff (factory gauge) behind diodes like you said

[gloomy elm]

Why not keeping the laser engraver?

it sounds okay

and we could create our own lens anywya

[brave cairn]

yeah the point of the lens is to just mean you don't run out and go "welp now I gotta go all the way back north again"

[gloomy elm]

exactly

you get the lens and you are set

[cosmic veldt]

the reason to me is that it seems a little odd that a rose quartz lens would be significantly different from any other red lens on principle

[brave cairn]

well I'd make the rose one count as pink instead :p

[gloomy elm]

these don't make more sense if u ask me

[brave cairn]

or magenta or something

[gloomy elm]

Pink is a good idea it has no gems alternative

[cosmic veldt]

magenta also has no recipes

[gloomy elm]

and is use for NOR chip or something

[cosmic veldt]

let's go with magenta

[gloomy elm]

but magenta has no use what so ever

[brave cairn]

that's the point

[gloomy elm]

I found it cool that you already have your pink lens

it's a small thing

not like the process of making a pink lens is fun or hard lol

[brave cairn]

like I said, the dyed glass lenses aren't craftable until HV

[cosmic veldt]

oh do you mean let's let them get an early pink lens via rose quartz maybe?

Im not opposed to that

[gloomy elm]

it has no use until HV or EV anyway

[brave cairn]

that's what I mean yeah - make the rose quartz lens count as a pink/magenta lens, in the same way emerald is green, diamond is light blue, etc

[cosmic veldt]

which is odd because the pink glass lens has a few decorative blocks recipes that are gated behind hv by extension

yeah this sounds good

[gloomy elm]

exactly so let's use the pink so at least it's a really small bonus more like a cool moment

and you can't abuse it

[cosmic veldt]

i'll push the create6 branch a bit later today we can all get to work on that one then

[gloomy elm]

oh I didn't know that's even better

[brave cairn]

you guys can get started on things, I'm still finishing up 0.9.2 lol

[cosmic veldt]

how much work is left for 9.2?

[brave cairn]

not much, iirc just the ore field guide stuff

[cosmic veldt]

oh right another thing - create 6 added a bunch of funny cardboard armors and a sword that are mostly joke items, for now ive just disabled everything to do with cardboard but im open to getting them back in after making a suitable tfg recipe for cardboard

[gloomy elm]

I need to finish my part for 0.9.2 then I will jump onto Create 6

[cosmic veldt]

dont feel pressured and take your time haha i still have a lot of stuff to do first before this branch is ready for other contributors too

[brave cairn]

cardboard sword is nice for pushing mobs around, agree that the armor is prob too silly for here

[gloomy elm]

I'm wondering can I use a const two for times in a raw?

    const tiers = ["ulv", "lv", "mv", "hv", "ev", "iv", "luv", "zpm", "uv", "uhv"];

    tiers.forEach(tier => {
        event.add(`gtceu:craft_circuits/${tier}`, `#gtceu:circuits/${tier}`)});

        
    tiers.forEach(tier => {
        event.remove(`gtceu:craft_circuits/${tier}`, `tfg:${tier}_universal_circuit`)});

Or should I remove the ; ?

[cosmic veldt]

yeah since it's declared in the same scope

[brave cairn]

yes, const just means you can't modify it after

[gloomy elm]

damn then I don't know why it doesn't work I hate tags

[brave cairn]

try adding all the greg circuits to your tag first, then add the universal circuit to the greg tag?

[gloomy elm]

oooh

smart thanks

[brave cairn]

also we won't be able to release anything until some of the other addons are updated so yeah, no rush

[gloomy elm]

got a weird one

didn't change anything in them

i fucking hate tags

that never works

oh i may know what i did actually nvm

okay well i don't know

i will go back to that tonight

tags are weird I feel when you define a tag it stays forever in your instance even if you remove the script that defined it

[brave cairn]

@coral vault were you still thinking of adding those historical structures we could put the illagers in, or do you think we should do something separate for them?

[coral vault]

Yeah I think it would work

[brave cairn]

alrighty!

[coral vault]

I finished the armor trim stuff. I'll just make sure theirs no noticable bugs and push it tonight. It comes with some other minor things I added

• fishing nets
• phantom membranes turning into phantom string and cloth
• polycaprolactam turning into polycaprolactam string and then cloth. The string can be bleached into regular string. That way there is a plastic version of dark and light cloth

[brave cairn]

oooh

[copper solar]

oooh what does phantom cloth make

[coral vault]

It's a source of cloth for recipes, and used for the elytra

[brave cairn]

ah does the nylon start dark?

or what's the dark cloth?

[coral vault]

Yeah, it starts dark

[brave cairn]

neato

[coral vault]

I'll try to do more frequent pr after this. I just get side tracked lol

[brave cairn]

boy do I know the feeling lol

[coral vault]

I started just writing down my ideas so I can finish one task at a time lol

[brave cairn]

oh same I put them either in my email or in a txt file on my desktop lol

[gloomy elm]

Does someone have an explanation about why my universal circuit are in the group tag of circuits even though I removed the line that added them?

Where can I cancel that 😭

[brave cairn]

try restarting your game? 🤔

[gloomy elm]

I did didn’t work

[brave cairn]

[gloomy elm]

i'm trying with a fresh instal

I will succeed

for this very small QoL upgrade lol

[brave cairn]

@cosmic veldt if you've got a moment, could you try this version of greate and check two things?

1. that our custom mech mixer recipes (colored steel dust, pills, tipped arrows etc) don't include the programmed circuit as one of their items?
2. go to /server_scripts/gregtech/recipes.materials.js, and swap around lines 327 and 328 so the poor ore macerator recipe only has chanced outputs, then check if a ULS-MS millstone/crushing wheel outputs the first slot correctly?

the greate dev just sent me it https://github.com/GreateBeyondTheHorizon/Greate/actions/runs/14650642316#artifacts

[cosmic veldt]

ooh nice

alright I'll have a look

[brave cairn]

I can't test it on mine because it wants create 6

[cosmic veldt]

it's this line right?

the tipped arrow recipes don't include the circuits but they show up as uncraftable tipped arrows

dunno if thats fine

[brave cairn]

yep

[brave cairn]

what about the pills?

[cosmic veldt]

the pills look alright to me

no issues there

also I just chucked a poor ore into the greate millstones and they eventually all did give me a crushed ore so I think that one also works

[gloomy elm]

Uuuh dev version is crashing for me when launching

[brave cairn]

well now it looks like they don't have any circuits at all

[gloomy elm]

telling me stuff about distant horizon 🤨

[brave cairn]

and just to check, jei is showing them as the first result with 50% chance, right? and that's the % you're seeing??

[cosmic veldt]

yeah it seems like roughly 50%

[brave cairn]

perfect

could you check if the mixer recipe still needs circuits?

like, does it need to be set to 4 to do this recipe

[cosmic veldt]

it seems to be as written, no circuit

[brave cairn]

alright thanks! I'll report this

[cosmic veldt]

it's just supposed to take the GT recipes and adapt them equivalently right

like no kubejs to touch for greate specifically?

[brave cairn]

correct

keep that setup in case the greate dev hands me another build haha

[cosmic veldt]

yeah I double checked the GT recipes still have the circuit requirement on my end

[brave cairn]

cool

thanks for checking!

[cosmic veldt]

no worries!

[brave cairn]

added a recipe for paracetamol, 4 pills + vinegar lol, hopefully temporary until gregtech adds some proper medicines that don't require a huge LV chain to make

[cosmic veldt]

hmmm i'm getting crashes when trying to make a new world

    at com.gregtechceu.gtceu.data.recipe.generated.OreRecipeHandler.processOreForgeHammer(OreRecipeHandler.java:74) ~[gtceu-1.20.1-1.6.4.jar%23471!/:?] {re:classloading}```

[brave cairn]

do you have latest tfg-core and tfg-modpack? I did move all the ore stuff out of tfg-core a few days ago

[gloomy elm]

TFG core may not be updated from the pakku download

I can’t even launch the game

[brave cairn]

ah

try this?

[gloomy elm]

still crashing

during loading of the game

[brave cairn]

hm, yours looks different, I see something about visual workbench and modernfix?

lemme try

[gloomy elm]

Maybe there is an issue with modernfix and mac

I wonder if I didn’t already had that

Deleted Modernfix and still crashing

[brave cairn]

alright so it turns out it is in fact visual workbench

I thought I tested this but apparently not - I set its config file to tell it about tfc's workbenches, and that's what crashes it apparently!

[cosmic veldt]

oh could this also be causing my crash maybe

[brave cairn]

alright so I am in fact, just stupid

in the config file, I put an array of an array of workbenches...

instead of just an array of workbenches

that being said I wouldn't remind trimming down some of the mods we have honestly, we are over 200 now after all

anyway, get latest or drop this in your config folder, should fix it

[gloomy elm]

Thanks 🙏

We have so many addons for so many mods :p

[brave cairn]

yeah a ton of them are compat addons or libraries lol

here's a few from a quick skim:

• rainbows (replace with tfc caelum, it adds its own rainbows as well as a very accurately modelled solar system, sounds cute for space stuff later)
• better biome blend - I don't think this even does anything because tfc has full control of the grass/leaf colors
• icterine - "advancements optimization" but we don't have any?
• model gap fix - doesn't affect any tfc or gt tools I checked

[cosmic veldt]

whats a good way to keep the config folder synced with git without going insane lmao (for the dev instance)

i hate having to manually check for changes every time i wanna pull from the repo

[brave cairn]

not sure - I tried symlinking it but then a lot of mods complained about not being able to write to their config files

[cosmic veldt]

yeah same here

[gloomy elm]

That’s what I’m doing

But really this is dumb that Prism wants absolutely to use its own naming

[gloomy elm]

that worked

[brave cairn]

does that fix it for you too airrice?

[cosmic veldt]

nope i think my bug is something to do with an ore prefix that's weirdly done or whatever

which is odd because I had no trouble booting it up to test greate but now I can't load into any world

[brave cairn]

got any local changes you could try undoing one by one?

[cosmic veldt]

well I did update the forge version to 47.4.0 because the horse power fork used the newest apis but I could try downgrading it again

it worked when I was testing greate tho, weird

that wasn't it even

I have no clue what changed

ok hilariously enough the issue was that I was running something in the background and the computer simply didn't have enough ram

rofl that's insane

alright I can get back to development now! (i was running simulations because I need to get data for my research work)

you'd think 32 gigs would be more than enough but no machine learning is a bitch

[brave cairn]

oh lol

[spiral lintel]

how do I run the tool to merge the language file for testing in my own instance?

[gloomy elm]

Back to trying to make my tags work

const tiers = ["ulv", "lv", "mv", "hv", "ev", "iv", "luv", "zpm", "uv", "uhv", "uev","uiv"];

ServerEvents.tags("item", event => {
    tiers.forEach(tier => {
        event.add(`kubejs:craft_circuits/${tier}`, `#gtceu:circuits/${tier}`);
    });
});
ServerEvents.recipes(event => {
    tiers.forEach(tier => {
        event.shapeless(
            Item.of(`tfg:${tier}_universal_circuit`, 1),
            [
              `#gtceu:circuits/${tier}`
            ]
          );
    });
})

why would it says it's empty

[coral vault]

Instead of Item.of try doing (`1x tfg:${tier}_universal_circuit`)

Also you should add recipe IDs to your recipes. The auto generated ones aren't ideal

[gloomy elm]

after .shapeless(here)?

[coral vault]

Yeah .shapeless().id('text')

[gloomy elm]

const tiers = ["ulv", "lv", "mv", "hv", "ev", "iv", "luv", "zpm", "uv", "uhv"];

ServerEvents.tags("item", event => {
    tiers.forEach(tier => {
        event.add(`kubejs:craft_circuits/${tier}`, `#gtceu:circuits/${tier}`);
    });
});
ServerEvents.recipes(event => {
    tiers.forEach(tier => {
        event.shapeless(`1x tfg:${tier}_universal_circuit`,
            
              `#kubejs:craft_circuits/${tier}`
            
          ).id(`universal_circuit_${tier}`);
    });
});

?

oh

I guess I would need to add the for each

[coral vault]

Remove the Item.of

And it's brackets lol

[gloomy elm]

where?

[coral vault]

The ones surrounding the output

[gloomy elm]

I'm confuse when it has to be [] or ()