🚀EN - 1.20 Modpack Contribution Megathread

[gloomy elm]

You won’t replace them before EV

I mean why not

But then I feel the danger is the pack becoming easy

When it’s been promoted as an expert pack

[coral vault]

Using create for crushing and rolling works well because it makes sense. But I think bulk blasting should probably be removed since it doesn't really fit the pack well

[brave cairn]

why? it can only do normal furnace recipes

[coral vault]

It just feels wrong

[gloomy elm]

Then it’s stronger than the Multi Smelter

[brave cairn]

it doesn't replace the EBF

[brave cairn]

nah the multi smelter is SO much faster

[coral vault]

Like air frying my copper ore

[gloomy elm]

Not early game actually

[brave cairn]

it just replaces the large steam furnace

which is like, oh no, what a loss

[gloomy elm]

Again why not I’m just afraid the pack becomes easy

[coral vault]

I do like create for building tho. Trains and the rail road stuff is very nice

[brave cairn]

it's gregtech man it's never gonna be "easy"

[gloomy elm]

It could be if TFC is made easier and Gregtech easier

Because of Create being too strong

[brave cairn]

you want easy go play nomifactory where you get handed diamond mining hammers and an ore prospector on spawn 💀

[coral vault]

I don't think create will really influence Greg all that much. It's basically just an in between to automate tfc and start preparing for steam age

[gloomy elm]

Yeah but Nomifactory or Monifactory have custom contents above UV tier for Gt

TFG doesn’t

Well I don’t know it’s just a feeling when I finished TFG I felt it was hard early game

And late game was a piece of cake

[brave cairn]

I don't plan on tfg having tiers above UV, but space will stretch out the existing ones more

make them significantly harder

[gloomy elm]

What made TFG hard during my lets play was the fact that LV needed tons of blue and red steel

[brave cairn]

cuz I think one problem with tfg is a lot of people quit as soon as they get into greg because of how much it hits them like a wall

[gloomy elm]

And TFC wasn’t too modified

[brave cairn]

whereas if we ease them into it a bit more, then they'll have more energy left over for the cool space stuff

[gloomy elm]

If early Gregtech and late TFC is made easier the pack will be a piece of cake

[brave cairn]

and I definitely want people to stick around for the space stuff!

[gloomy elm]

I understand that but I feel make early game easier so people can get into space

[brave cairn]

it's just a bit lopsided atm, tfc already makes the early game significantly longer than greg's early game

[gloomy elm]

It modifies too much the essence of TFC and Gregtech

Keep the early game hard

And as a reward you reach space

There is tons of pack where it’s hard to progress

And it feels rewarding

Monifactory has hard mode or expert mode

Cosmic Frontiers has the slowest and hardest early game

[uneven reef]

Tfc was made easier with greg, greg was made easier with create, what even is there left to make easier?

[brave cairn]

if you want it to be harder, greg does have a bunch of options in its menu to make it harder

[coral vault]

Yeah I don't really understand. Nothing's really that different

[uneven reef]

Create ignores those

[coral vault]

It's not like you can make aluminum with create or anything

[brave cairn]

that can be changed

[uneven reef]

Changed to be easier if you make Create available earlier

You already moved lv closer and made it cheaper

[brave cairn]

I mean, we can have the create ones do 1 rod per ingot or something

[uneven reef]

You can do that with inventory crafting

[brave cairn]

who said I'm making lv closer

I'm making steam age longer if anything

[uneven reef]

You made hulls cost a tiny bit of red steel vs 4/4, that's moving it significantly closer

[gloomy elm]

I need to have a larger picture to understand better to be fair

[uneven reef]

Coloured steel is a significant resource sink until lv where it gets cheaper

With greg's ore dusts giving 129 mb it's already significantly easier by default

[coral vault]

But colored steel only needed to be used twice, because once you had the assembler you could ignore it

[gloomy elm]

When I finished TFG the LV casing was only coloured steel and not steel

[brave cairn]

I would like to remove tedium and replace it with stuff that's more interesting

[gloomy elm]

That wasn’t the case I played the pack

Tedious is kinda TFC and Gregtech though

[uneven reef]

That recipe was unintentional

[gloomy elm]

That’s why I’m saying if the amount of ressources or the way to get them is made easier

[brave cairn]

I think more people actually finishing the pack is a good thing

[gloomy elm]

The processing lines should be harder

[uneven reef]

I really don't like how anything one dislikes can be labelled as tedium and ignored without any arguments

[brave cairn]

I don't really want this to become another gtnh

[gloomy elm]

Depends really if the pack should be easy or hard

[brave cairn]

processing chains and planning stuff out = fun
sitting at an anvil hammering out steel = not fun
to me, anyway 😛 I know you like tedium but a lot of people don't

[gloomy elm]

I mean at the end of the day you can do a hard mode

[uneven reef]

If mining in a game called minecraft is tedium for you then it feels like something else is a problem

[gloomy elm]

Everyone is doing that these days

[brave cairn]

people hated when I changed the assembler recipe to all colored steel

[uneven reef]

And not everyone has to like every pack, and it's normal

[brave cairn]

supports and cave-ins keep mining interesting

[coral vault]

I mean if you want to donate for us to change all the recipes again

[brave cairn]

tfg hardmode: every block is now collapsible

[uneven reef]

So interesting that most people try to avoid the mechanic by using non-collapsable blocks

Or digging straight down

[gloomy elm]

What’s donate is about anything here ?

[coral vault]

Finding solutions to problems is part of the mechanics

[gloomy elm]

Well we will see but making early game easy when it was the only hard part of the pack before is a change of philosophy

And the pack will become easy for sure

[coral vault]

I'm not sure why you are saying it's getting easier? Nothing is really changing

[gloomy elm]

That’s what I’m understanding

[uneven reef]

Lv entry cost got significantly reduced

[brave cairn]

you guys talk about making tfc easy when I am removing hammer mining 💀

[uneven reef]

Create (free machines) becoming available earlier is going to make it easier too

[coral vault]

No create isn't being available earlier. It's just being split up so not all of create is unlocked at once

[brave cairn]

then we make the machines not free? I can make the mechanical lathe cost as many lv circuits as the LV one

[uneven reef]

That'd make no sense logically

[gloomy elm]

The point is also making Create do more stuff

[uneven reef]

A wooden machine with 2 small metal beams needing circuits

[brave cairn]

why would I make the create ones so much cheaper lol, that would make no sense

https://www.warco.co.uk/2164-thickbox_default/gh1640-gh1660-lathe.jpg idk man looks pretty fancy to me

[gloomy elm]

An example on why I would be very cautious about Create

[coral vault]

Tbh making a create contraption that makes rods inst that much cheaper than boiling water

Especially if we raise the cost of create blocks

[gloomy elm]

Wood farm when I played it where basically a deep hole underground with a Create basic farm

And that was producing more than a EV Greenhouse

[brave cairn]

the rod thing is just a time save, you could bang out all your rods on an anvil if you want

[gloomy elm]

It’s faster

Way faster

[plain imp]

Because they're custom ítems, and on 7.12 we needed to prefix them or the recipes wouldnt get detected lol

[gloomy elm]

And easily expendable

[brave cairn]

prefix them with tfg or something then 🤔

[gloomy elm]

I think a way to make Create not too strong would be nerf heavily the speed

And make it having a bad ratio

[coral vault]

So we just need to increase the load on machines so they can't produce at high speeds

[gloomy elm]

That’s one of the way

But that needs heavy testing

So it’s not useless but not too strong

[coral vault]

That's not too difficult to do

[gloomy elm]

I don’t know I never played a pack that nerf Create that way

[plain imp]

I have tried multiple iterations of that lol
No prefix, tfg, TFG/crafting, etc

[coral vault]

It is fair that a create press shouldn't produce parts extremely fast at like 10,000 rpm. It's too easy to get that speed

[brave cairn]

anyway here's a tl;dr of my main changes for stone-steel age:

1. no more hammer mining. You want ore that's worth a ton of mb? you have to actually work to process it
2. add trip hammers to turn ingots into plates for the same 2:1 cost as an anvil. Reduces some tedium, yes it's optional. TFC has this mechanic as well
3. graphite is no longer piss easy to find and requires exploring at low Y levels, so you actually have to interact with caves instead of digging straight down

4. nether has an alternative route for kaolin and other ores at the cost of being more dangerous, both from other mobs and from the environment. Solves the issue of some people getting fucked by bad worldgen

see? I'm not making it piss easy

[brave cairn]

and the "work" is making a big ol' steam engine, which we can adjust the price of. Reminder that blaze burners need a whole bunch of blue steel each, and we can change the cost of the steam engine bits too

and if you're making all these machines then you're gonna want one

[brave cairn]

have you actually created your pickle spear item? in the startup scripts? with your recipe then in the server scripts?

[plain imp]

yep

[brave cairn]

can you see your pickle spear item ingame?

have you checked for typos in your recipe?

[plain imp]

nope to the first, yes to the second, no typos

[brave cairn]

then something's wrong with your item creation

[coral vault]

I also think create should have limits. Keep it around steam age. Shouldn't be able to hammer aluminum or titanium or anything like that

[brave cairn]

I was planning on letting them do anything that LV machines could do

but that's not a bad idea either

[coral vault]

You mean ULV? I don't think they should be able to make something an assembler can

[brave cairn]

I think the gradual "upgrade bits of your factory as you need them" that you do in the rest of gt is a good thing

[coral vault]

Agreed

[brave cairn]

I'm not replacing the assembler

[coral vault]

I see

[brave cairn]

the only things that'll get replaced is like, the lv lathe, bender, and extruder lol, maybe the wiremill

[gloomy elm]

Also there is a mod to add compatibility with Create and TFC for the blaze burner

I don’t even know if we use it

[coral vault]

Yeah, but I think we can just code that in ourselves

[plain imp]

duh, i might had to to the "const registerData" thing with the item creations too

bruh

[plain imp]

lolol

Error in 'StartupEvents.registry': ReferenceError: "registerFFFItems" is not defined.
Fun

[brave cairn]

I love javascript!!!!!

[plain imp]

I have no idea what's wrong anymore

lol

unless i'm stupid enough to have missed a mayus i
if that's the issue i'm blowing a creeper to oblivion with 78 kegs of tnt

[brave cairn]

you have no idea how many times I had scripts fail because of a missing brace or something stupid like that

[plain imp]

i'd so loved missing ; on C

[plain imp]

who would've thunk that tfg code would change that much form .12 to .19, i've finally refactored most of the original code! haha

[brave cairn]

lol, which part?

[plain imp]

are crops no longer considered a block for the startupevents.registry?

[brave cairn]

uhhhhhh I have no idea, that's a kubejs thing isn't it?

I don't know anything about custom crops 🤔

[plain imp]

Most of it
Contraction "e." for "event." is no longer allowed, you need to use const on your startup scripts and server scripts, and declare it on main_scripts
Seems like some recipetypes changed, ex: crops no longer being a blocktype for a startupscript

[brave cairn]

I wonder why we use const lambdas anyway, I've just been using functions with no problems

[coral vault]

Const can't be redeclared so I like it when there's a project with multiple different people

[brave cairn]

oh, huh

[coral vault]

Function is generally better tho

[coral vault]

Also, pretty sure you don't need to assign a const to the kubejs script. We just do it in the pack to have all scripts declared in the same place in alphabetical order. That way if there is a priority issue it's easy to adjust.

But yes kubejs changed a lot between versions. The wiki is not up to date on the changes at all. So if you get issue I would check their discord server

[plain imp]

Doesn't seem to work without that declaration, it seems like the game now expect stuff to be on the main_script

[coral vault]

You have to format it differently

[brave cairn]

@coral vault in java: look inside src/main/java/su.terrafirmagreg.core/compat/gtceu, most of the files there have to do with material stuff. Look at how some of the other tfc-exclusive tools like the javelin, mace, chisel, or propick are set up. You'll need to make a tag prefix (in TFGTagPrefix), a material icon type (in TFGMaterialIconType), and then go to TFGMaterialHandler and tell GT about the item objects from RNR.
in js: go to tfc/recipes.materials.js, again find the mace/chisel/etc and copy what they do, for your mattock. Then do the same sort of thing in gregtech/recipes.materials.js. Finally, add your extruder mold to gtceu/constants.js/TFG_EXTRUDER_MOLDS and the recipe to tfg/recipes.molds.js

and I think that's it. Plus you'll learn about ChemicalHelper and how gt's dynamic item generation system works, which can be very handy

[coral vault]

Thanks! It'll be good for me to learn how to do that stuff. Maybe I can even make custom mattocks for gtceu materials

[brave cairn]

if you think they'll be useful!

I have no idea how to actually give stats to any new tool though, so you'll be on your own for that haha

[coral vault]

Hopefully the mod uses the tier system correctly and you can just assign a new tier. But if they didn't... Then I'm not really sure how to do it lol

If it's too difficult I'll forget about it. Not really worth spending that much time one. I added gt recipes for most of the stuff anyways so you don't even need the mattock at a certain point

[brave cairn]

I personally found that the colored steel tools are still plenty of durability even later game

I was halfway through my second red steel chisel lol

especially how easy they are to produce more of later in the game, and you don't have to worry about building up enchants or anything

[coral vault]

Yupp

[brave cairn]

the other nice thing about chemical helper is you basically say "give me x amount of this item type with this material" and somewhere way else in the code you can say "actually for zinc ingots we're using create's item now" (as an example). You then don't need to refactor your whole code to deal with that

and say "this item type is worth Y amount of material" so you can generate the casting/recycling recipes and just tweak one number later

..something I should probably get in the habit of using more, lol

[coral vault]

Can all of this be done in kubejs? I know you can create new chemicals there and assign them for recycling, but I'm not to sure about more complicated things like molds.

[brave cairn]

yep, gregtech/recipes.materials.js uses it heavily

[coral vault]

👍

[brave cairn]

I am kinda tempted to do more .setIgnores() and use items from other mods where we can, like those zinc things, just for more item texture variety if anything else haha

https://cdn.modrinth.com/data/S27aYArf/images/2c3178cbd42c7429ba2695e6713e78a26ad5befb.png and these look kinda fun

[brave cairn]

hm.. I wonder if afc is gonna make kapok even more OP in wood farms lol

this thing is HUGE

[brave cairn]

I figured out how to remove pages from the field guide with a resource pack

the bad news, it worked a little too well

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646085141847998484/1354241710510702754/image.png?ex=67e49360&is=67e341e0&hm=b439d7789bb532e046996b6b184650d096cbddb992ca316e4a9153fe4f583a18&

[coral vault]

Welp 😬

[plain imp]

Quick question, before, just declarating the item correctly, giving it the correct asset on /assets, would automatically make it appear on JEI
Now it doesn't seem to work, am i missing something?

[brave cairn]

that should be all you need, yeah

did you add your method to main_startup_script?

[plain imp]

Yes
On my startup added it with const registerewhatever(event).....

On main_start.. added it to the itemregister lines

And assets are on the correct folder :shrug: No typos anywhere

[brave cairn]

could you upload your files?

[plain imp]

No

just kidding, yes, let me do the latest tests for today and if it doesn't work i'll just upload it

i'm hoping it's just another case of wrong syntax

fuck yeah, it was wrong syntax

[brave cairn]

alright so, the horse mod works, but the horse doesn't actually move around in circles, it just stands there and wanders a little as if it was attached to a normal lead. It at least works with a millstone though and at its super slow speed can do around 1 item every 4 secs

so the balance is fine, I just wish the horse actually went in circles lol

[coral vault]

Oh interesting. Would definitely be better if the horse moved

[brave cairn]

it's pretty configurable at least. There's small, medium, and large entities that give different amounts of SU, and poor, normal, and great path blocks, though it's unclear what difference the paths do

just that you can have it require some sort of block underneath in this 7x7 area

comes with a ponder too, though the timings are off so the text goes too fast, lol

[coral vault]

Lol

Boutta leash a bear and conform it to the wonders of industrial civilization

[brave cairn]

teehee it bounces

[coral vault]

What is that for? Lol

[brave cairn]

by default? automating leaves and doing unpacking recipes

but we can use it for whatever we want

I was thinking of a sifter

[worthy tusk]

oooh leaf automation? humus?

[brave cairn]

hm maybe

there's this thing which I think is supposed to be a chem reactor, but I want to stick to greg for that stuff

"compressor" or "vacuum chamber"

[worthy tusk]

huh.

[brave cairn]

this thing is funny. A centrifuge

too bad you can't sit in it

[worthy tusk]

lol

we could probably keep that for some really really low tech recipes

like... beets to sugar

[coral vault]

You could use it to get honey out of combs 🤷

[brave cairn]

yeah those sorts of things would be cool, no chemistry stuff

there's this automatic sandpaper thing. It's interesting because it has to be ran at low RPM in order to work. If it's possible to add that mechanic to other machines as well, that would be a great way of keeping these balanced with LV

there's this thing which by default just makes springs. Kinda boring though, I was thinking of also having it do fine wire maybe? since springs are barely used

[coral vault]

I like that idea

[brave cairn]

there's a thing called a "curving press" which is basically a mech press except you can swap the head

so I was thinking of having it do LV extruder recipes, which is already pretty niche since it can only do tools, but hey

by default it does things like turn iron blocks into cauldrons and stuff like that

not sure what else to do with it 🤔

we don't have to use all these, for example idk what we'd do with the sandpaper one, and there's also a laser thing that's very out of place

hell yeah

[coral vault]

I mean maybe you can use the sandpaper one to get higher quality gems but idk

[coral vault]

Can you switch it to use a tfc anvil?

[brave cairn]

nah that's normally locked to hv, I don't wanna mess with gt balance much

[coral vault]

Fair

[brave cairn]

I hope so!

oh now THAT is interesting

ok perfect, looks like the hammer's useful at least lol

[coral vault]

Phew

[brave cairn]

there isn't a way to have that rpm restriction on other machines, but they do all have a processingTime field, so we can have them take as long as we want. Perfect!

[coral vault]

Do you know if you can adjust stress requirements on other machines?

[brave cairn]

yep

which is good because the hammer is a heavy boi by default, lol

so we probably wanna tone that down for early game

[severe matrix]

so bloom hammering ?

[brave cairn]

yep

[severe matrix]

pig iron too ?

[brave cairn]

I'm planning on having them do anything that requires hitting the "hit" button 3 times

so blooms, pig iron, colored steel hammering, as well as turning ingots into plates (at the 2:1 ratio)

[severe matrix]

if that is the case then less people would rush for ebf with that since the most painful part is processing the pig iron and not the combination of ingot that required pig iron for black steel and blue steel with more steel

[brave cairn]

I mean right now you also have forge hammers

[severe matrix]

that is really slow, would create hammer be slow too ?

create machine can be crank really high with the gear ration which making everything fast

stacks and stacks of plate in seconds

[brave cairn]

yes, though I can always speed up the forge hammer so it can be an upgrade

[brave cairn]

that's why we give it a high rpm impact so it has a speed limit

you can't make anything faster than 256 rpm

[severe matrix]

na, 256 is fast enough

[brave cairn]

YO I went to bed and had an idea

solves two things with one solution

PINE RESIN AS A WAX ALTERNATIVE

1. gives people a reason to go north!
2. helps people who have bad bee RNG!
3. another thing to use with the new tree taps!

and apparently it used to be used for medicine in the past so it goes well with the new pills too!

[coral vault]

I did add paraffin wax as a wax alternative

using resin as wax doesnt really make sense logically. It would make more sense as a glue alternative

You could distill resin into rosin which is a sealing wax. which isn't the same thing as regular wax, but close enough for the modpack

[plain imp]

So fun
Adding a register###recipes to the recipes region of server_main_scripts, bricks my instance
Commenting that line out doesnt unbrick it lol
register.highprioritydata(computercraft) gets broken, and that's so weird because nothing of the recipe i coded is near enough any of those files

[plain imp]

Just a heads up, if you use a register### name too long, it might permabrick your instance. Old name was 22 letters, with 3 letters and the exact same code works golden

[brave cairn]

that could work - and paraffin is great but needs the chem reactor

I'm mostly thinking about stuff like the vat and waterproof hide, not candles

[brave cairn]

wow what the hell - but also, that could explain why cc is broken

[plain imp]

you never sleep?

it's been like 4 hours 🫠 lol

[plain imp]

also, fun!. Yeah that was the reason it's breaking. I'm not sure if the lenght of the registername is the issue, but i'm sure that i changed it and it aint breaking now

[brave cairn]

was woken up early by a boiler repair guy lol

went back to bed after he left

[brave cairn]

so cc works now too? great!

[plain imp]

Had to reinstall, but everything seems to be working so far

With 1 ítem/recipe/food finally redactored the rest should go a bit easier

[plain imp]

Irl boiler or Greg boiler

[brave cairn]

irl lol

[plain imp]

Fair

[brave cairn]

I haven't played my tfg world since jan

[brave cairn]

@coral vault I tag-ified your medicine recipes and added mixing bowl versions of all the basic pills, is that ok?

[coral vault]

Yeah that sounds great. I'll probably add some more stuff to the tags too, since some of the beneath plants have medicinal properties as well

[worthy tusk]

something something wood tar?

[brave cairn]

nah it's for making stick resin and another wax alternative, from cold plants

just trying to add a reason to visit up north lol

[worthy tusk]

i mean. i like the idea of integrating low tech stuff into mid tech stuff

that's one of the reasons i completely removed the sulfur requirement from the gt recipe for the latex thingy

[brave cairn]

the gt recipe for the latex thingy?

[coral vault]

🤔

[brave cairn]

oh

...is that just a local change or is that in 0.9?

[brave cairn]

oh just a heads up but I know like half the beneath mushrooms give you poison when eating them

[coral vault]

Who doesn't need 20 different ways to make poison pills?

[brave cairn]

...why are there even pills for all the bad effects anyway? 😛

would be more cool if they were like, throwables like vanilla's splash potions or factorio's capsules that nobody uses

[coral vault]

Mostly for the sake of adding more potion effects. But my goal is to add splash potion type effects. Not sure how I want to add it yet

[blazing swan]

lace food with the bad pills

[coral vault]

I thought it would be cool if you could poison a food or water source

Yeah this guy gets it

[brave cairn]

that sounds like a lot of work since you'd have to code the mob AI to come eat/drink it

🤔

[blazing swan]

pvp server, someone steals food, eat it, gets posion and dies

[coral vault]

But currently day 10 of my work week and I might have to work this weekend too 🙂

Yeah mostly pvp

[brave cairn]

lol tfg pvp server sounds hilarious

[coral vault]

Lol

[brave cairn]

good grief

[coral vault]

Yeah... I need a break

[plain imp]

funny enough, seems like kubejs and it's tfg implementation are a bit better now
block creator for crops not automatically takes the model and textures from the assets folders
back in 7.12 we had to manually write the model and texture json for it to detect them lol

[brave cairn]

oh wow

I only started on 7.14 and I guess it had a kubejs update then

kubejs-tfc has had a few new things added to it since then too

[plain imp]

good changes tbh

glaring ones if you only worked on 7.12 lol

[brave cairn]

btw, I did try to add "mysterious conversion" recipes, since it seems to be a tab you can kinda add whatever you want to? I'd like to at least have something in jei saying "you can get latex from these trees"

or other crucial things that are buried in the book/quests somewhere

didn't have much luck though

[coral vault]

I thought jei had a specific tab for information? Not sure how to add to it though

[gloomy elm]

just break the roof

wait for rain

everything goes boom

[brave cairn]

I've seen it for dyeables but I have no idea how to put stuff there, the jei docs aren't very helpful, but that would also be a good place to put it

[coral vault]

Might have to look at another mod packs homework

[severe matrix]

spread Asbestos into air = deadly internal damage and external damage

[coral vault]

Not me breaking OSHA guideline 29 CFR 1910.1001

[brave cairn]

@gloomy elm btw did you see this #1331744604701069393 message

[gloomy elm]

Oh that's a great ideas

Using Create to make the crushed ores is exactly the middle ground i'm thinking about for difficulty

And it's way more interesting than hammers giving crushed ores so easily

[plain imp]

Anyone here has worked with placed_features/generated_features? (Worldgen stuff)

[worthy tusk]

note to self - replace this stone block with the stone tag so we can make relays easier

[brave cairn]

see I told ya I'm not gonna make it easy haha

[brave cairn]

meeeeeee

[brave cairn]

you'll want a circuit setting too because that's also how you make slabs/stairs/walls

[plain imp]

how the fuck do they work? lmao

[brave cairn]

can you be more specific lol

[plain imp]

https://notenoughmail.github.io/kubejs_tfc/1.20.1/worldgen/#simple-block-stateI
I have the block created, i think. It's a wild crop block. Whenever i use that code in the link i shared (someone on TFC discord passed it to me), it says the world has corrupted datapacks. if i comment everything inside, it says the event.simpleBlockState can't be found

I made a ticket on the kubejs server too and no one has answered yet 🫠

[brave cairn]

kubejs server is kinda useless I found

uhh I've not used the kjs feature stuff, I've just done it all datapack file style

what I'd do is just look through the tfc gihub, find the features for their own crops, and copy it into tfg

and like the guy in the tfc server said, just crank the spawn number way up to test

you could also look at the ones I've done for the beneath

[plain imp]

That's so helpful, thanks

[brave cairn]

is that sarcasm, sorry I just woke up lol

I can help you with more specifics

since I basically did the worldgen for the reworked nether, I had to learn quite a lot about how features worked

but starting by copying existing ones and fiddling with them is a great way to start

[plain imp]

No, 100% serious lol

[brave cairn]

oh also when you make your file you'll have to actually add it to the biomes. TFC uses some tags for overworld ones, otherwise I put it in the biome files for nether ones

[plain imp]

I tried looking through the wild_crop files but i couldnt replicate em lol

[plain imp]

I wanted to do it with kubejs, but it seems like what you tell me is the more viable option

[brave cairn]

the tfc tag list is on their online docs, under their worldgen section somewhere, you can add them at the bottom of server scripts/tfc/tags.js I think?

near where the ore veins and glow lichen are added

[brave cairn]

oh you'll also want to add the "can be snow piled" tag to your block so it gets covered by snow in winter

sometimes it can also be helpful to make your configured feature place something like magenta concrete when testing, makes it more visible

[plain imp]

forgot to answer, was busy cleaning a bit the refactored code haha

thanks

funny enough, made a configured patch feature, if i made it place wild_crops, it worked
if i made it place my wild_crop block, the function straight up stopped working

lol

[spiral lintel]

trying to learn neoforge, they used the "braces start in the next line" convention

[brave cairn]

the only correct convention

[spiral lintel]

[brave cairn]

I bet you also use spaces instead of tabs, heretic

[spiral lintel]

i'm not uncivilised dw 😌

[coral vault]

Y'all don't write all your code in one line?

Wasting paper smh

[plain imp]

i code in paper

debug by thinking really hard about the code

i send the code to pr by fax

[plain imp]

i require assistance.
what's the syntax to create an item/block/whatever so it creates as kubejs/mymod/itemname?
If i create it as event.create("itemname"), or("kubejs:itemname"), it automatically wants to take the textures from a folder called kubejs inside assets, not the "mymod" folder.

[brave cairn]

just event.create("mymod:itemname")

it'll still need to be in the assets folder tho

kubejs/assets/mymod/whatever

[plain imp]

Thanks, that's what i've been trying to achieve

[brave cairn]

@coral vault do you have any interest in making your custom structures actually lived in by any chance? the person who made the kaolin klayze is working on some primitive-themed illagers

#1337210033406087188 message

[severe matrix]

so will miner helmet be added ?

[brave cairn]

yeah I just tested it, needed my "enable dynamic entity lighting" setting to be turned on https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1291630891667292161/1354965478245797908/2025-03-27_23.48.53.png?ex=67e73570&is=67e5e3f0&hm=b5061319b596aadda99cbb5bc353967d0a446e6d704117225f2208ed48f48fbc&

pretty nice, having a hand free for a shield

[severe matrix]

it looked like a great idea but it also seems like a perm light source to swap out for a helmet slot

[brave cairn]

yeah, less armor

[severe matrix]

how about do a temp increase

[severe matrix]

helmet slot armor isnt much anyways

[brave cairn]

eh too complicated

and it's just a small candle

[severe matrix]

it will be abused in ther early game and everyone will just walk around with a miner helmet once it is made

i could already see the image already

[brave cairn]

that's why I changed the recipe to need glowstone :)

[coral vault]

Interesting. I'll see how it turns out. For now I'll just design them to have multiple different states of decay. And if we add the illagers they can populate the intact structures

[brave cairn]

sounds cool!

[plain imp]

How is a blockstate from assets linked to a created block?
Example for your event.create('tfg:charred_log'), there's an asset with the variants in assets/TFG/blockstates

[brave cairn]

the feature is the one that does stuff with the blockstate

I pass those blocks to the vanilla cherry tree feature placer, which is already set up to use the blockstate of logs to place them in directions

so kjs says "here is a block with this id, and it has this property", then the block state says "when this property has this value, rotate the model"

[gloomy elm]

I was wondering if it was plan to make Universal Circuit ?

A circuit that shares the tag from #gtceu:circuits/lv as an example and can be made easily from any other circuits of the same tier

so it's easier to automate for AE2

[brave cairn]

I don't really get what you mean, there's already cheaper and cheaper circuit recipes as you progress

[gloomy elm]

I mean it's a custom made circuit that the only way to craft is by using circuit with a ratio of one to one

the goal is to encode your patterns with this universal circuit and not having to change later when you unlock easier circuits

Usually the recipe is something dumb like Assembler on #9 with only a circuit getting you the same tier universal circuit

[brave cairn]

oh, is that to get around ae2 not understanding what a tag is?

[gloomy elm]

exactly

AE2*

[brave cairn]

right yeah

[gloomy elm]

The only bother of doing that is the texture for the universal circuits*

each packs made their own textures

[brave cairn]

I'm not totally against it but we'd need art and everything for it, as well as communicating to people what it actually does -- like I wouldnt've guessed just based on the name

[gloomy elm]

I was thinking about that while making the quest

[brave cairn]

though whenever I unlocked a new tier of circuit I only had to change like... maybe half a dozen patterns in my system, it wasn't that big of a deal

[gloomy elm]

I think it's mostly betting on the futur with expending Gregtech

I can make dumb skins for now and see later on

if someone wants to have a try

or we can ask an other modpack teams if they don't mind sharing

[brave cairn]

sure, feel free to make this system with placeholder textures for now

[brave cairn]

how are the quests going btw?

[brave cairn]

idea for the future: you know those globes that ad astra has? the ones of each planet
what if they were trophies you could craft to basically say "I have conquered everything this planet has", and like, the one for earth would be one of the saplings from each temperature/humidity extreme.
Just a bonus goal for fun. And maybe all the planet trophies would do something (as like, a "true ending" sort of side goal?) right at the end if you get them all

[bleak jolt]

https://youtu.be/91o_bIhh4LY?si=9QAXJJTa4BrfLzcK

Could be good

[gloomy elm]

Not much progress was a tough week

I want to get onto it this Sunday

I still need to successfully launch the 0.9

I tried to download Pakku it didn’t launch on my Mac so I need to try with my pc 😅

[gloomy elm]

Could be a cool feature as a quest goal?

The « I finished the pack » reward but could be turn in exploring every aspect of the pack

Since there is none crazy ending for now

[brave cairn]

yeah that sounds good!

[severe matrix]

greg itself is already crazy enough dont you thing

[gloomy elm]

Yes and no

As a « veteran » player of GT I would say the vanilla version is kinda chill/easy

But it’s a very crazy mod when you do it for the first time

So it all depends which Gregtech players you are targeting

Honestly I’m no game designer neither I’m a mod maker or modpack maker

So it’s a very personal feeling

[severe matrix]

i feel like we need something to abtain ore like a void miner of somesort then

[gloomy elm]

If you have a large miner you can move it around with Building Gadget or Create and ores should never really be an issue in the modpack

But depending on how it’s going it could be interesting to have a void miner

[severe matrix]

like in creating ore out of thin air with a large set up and required a large amount of energy to get it

[gloomy elm]

The void miner is in GTmodern now

Just need to config the ores

But I guess before doing that we have to wait to see how space is integrated

Personally I would love something like having to setup void miner in planets orbit

Or some special planets

I would even go as far as removing some ores from the overworld and put them exclusively in space

But that’s big philosophy change on the modpack

Not my call

[brave cairn]

fair enough and no rush! was just thinking that we're gonna have to change the steam age quests significantly for the create stuff so was gonna suggest you don't spend much time on them yet

[gloomy elm]

Im not gonna touch it then

[brave cairn]

I was gonna put bedrock miners on other planets yeah, so you'd have to make mini setups to automatically send it home

[brave cairn]

my thoughts for the endgame, whenever we get around to it, was instead of the NAN certificate, you'd make some kind of special item that you could knap to turn into various creative items

"creative clay" maybe lol

idk I just like the idea of coming full circle back to stone age mechanics lol

[severe matrix]

the idea of void miner really come up more when you are late in game when soem of the ore could be infi but some are not which required other ore to get and carrying all the ore around is really required labour instead of one structure that just do mining infin in one spot

[brave cairn]

and in order to power it, instead of spamming fusion donuts, you could "drill" plasma straight from the sun

because "craft things to send into a magic box that produces power and call it a dyson swarm" isn't as fun as literally building the sun drill setup yourself lol

[gloomy elm]

there is definitely space to create process lines that don't need donuts spam

I like the idea of extracting from the sun

You should look at Sky of Grind it's GTm modpack i'm playing these days that tried an interesting space integration

not gonna lie though it goes high in Gregtech tiers but some ideas are interesting

I think there is a multiblock you can only make on a specific orbit to extract some liquid that you can use for other thing

but well I guess this isn't the time yet to think about all that

[brave cairn]

haha true

yeah I don't have any ideas for the gas giants besides "set up a gas collector in close orbit to get its atmosphere, which you can then distill to get different stuff" with the idea that you could pick and choose which ones you wanted to bother with

as a replacement for something like ender air

[brave cairn]

how does it do it? I'm very much trying to avoid having a bunch of mining dimensions

[gloomy elm]

Im still not there yet but basically the liquid star is used to make other ores or is mandatory for other processing lines

And I think when you progress even further you can unlock new way to make even more liquid star

The core idea is interesting but I don’t think it’s the exact way we should handle it because we simply don’t need as much materials

And for the kubejs I think it’s basically a multiblock that only works in a biome

Or a dimension like Saturn orbit for example

Also I’m pretty sure next GTm update is implementing a way to lock recipes behind validated quests

That could also be an interesting way to implement stuff

I will send you pics tomorrow or on Sunday

[brave cairn]

oh neat

I'm not sure we'd use the quest thing directly but it could be useful for technical stuff?

[coral vault]

Add knapping recipes for every item in the game 👍

[gloomy elm]

I guess one way I think that could be interesting is making shortcut

[gloomy elm]

Not gonna lie it would be fun to have to do knapping to make a creative item

[coral vault]

Would be really funny

Pretty easy to implement

[gloomy elm]

Creative clay that you get from a TFC method using end game GT materials

Back to the basics

[brave cairn]

you want that NAN license? better dig out your anvil and forge again

[gloomy elm]

After spending hours on Gt and space you have to go back to the overworld

Ahah yeah bring back the anvil 😂

[brave cairn]

you didn't really finish TFG until your license says "perfectly forged"

[gloomy elm]

I don’t know when the modpack will be there but not gonna lie I won’t forget

That’s the perfect way to end the pack

[brave cairn]

hehehe

yeah the endgame stuff will probably be done last

I mean these kinda NAN license things can be done whenever, but the rest?

like the sun drilling? later

[gloomy elm]

Yeah I guess even if it’s exciting there is more stuffs to do for the present :p

[coral vault]

YES! Lmao

That would piss so many people off

[brave cairn]

that being said, when we get more into space development, things like gas giants and so on could be good smaller projects for other contributors to do while I figure out all the worldgen stuff 🤔

[gloomy elm]

I’m limited to making basic stuff with kubejs 🙏

[brave cairn]

the worldgen does just naturally take a while to get looking good

[gloomy elm]

I was wondering what’s the position of Exception on the modpack now? Do what you want just supervising it follows the modpack philosophy?

[brave cairn]

kinda all he can do until he gets time again yeah

he did say he'll have more time this summer at least

[gloomy elm]

I see it’s actually nice of him to trust people to make good choices on the modpack

[brave cairn]

yes I'm thankful he's been so flexible!

back in jan he had a bit more time to actually check PRs and go through stuff, and I think all of our help then has built up some trust

[gloomy elm]

That would make sense and I mean it’s great for him to see the modpack being updated while he’s busy

[brave cairn]

it's kinda funny to look at an old roadmap I found from back in like, october

there was stuff on it like the aether and draconic evolution lmao

[coral vault]

Yeah it's for the best that we try to stick to a theme lol

Could imagine being in the middle of MV and then being forced into astral sourcery to progress?

[brave cairn]

there's many reasons why I have no interest in playing gtnh and that sort of thing is one of them 😛

https://github.com/orgs/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/projects/10/views/1

found it

[severe matrix]

all i see is russian

[brave cairn]

well yeah

[coral vault]

Common tower of babel L

[brave cairn]

exception is russian and barely knows any english

[severe matrix]

oh shit the first thing i saw is already about AntiqueAtlas

potion making

lol they mention about the tap problem too

Кнеппинг резины (Не работает, возможно ошибка аддона, я не знаю крч)

"Knapping rubber (Doesn't work, maybe addon error, I don't know)" google translate

Добавить какие-нибудь рецепты для миксера Create, иначе он бесполезный (Подумать над возможностью добавления поддержки миксером сплавки металлов TFC)

[severe matrix]

Add some recipes for the Create mixer, otherwise it is useless (Think about adding support for TFC metal fusion to the mixer)

what your though on this one

[coral vault]

For heated mixer right?

[brave cairn]

I'm thinking about letting a heated mixer do some LV mixer recipes like mixing metal dusts

I don't want to make the crucible completely useless

[severe matrix]

and this one "Ограничить спавн рыбы тфк (вызывает лаги)"

Limit fish spawn tfk (causes lags)

does fish really cause a lot of the lag

[coral vault]

Uhhh. I think it's because they use their own mob cap. But it really isn't that bad

[severe matrix]

"Make the sprinkler connect more natively to the Greg pipes" i saw this in the low proity lol

[brave cairn]

idk about lag but it does make a lot of noise, and they do kinda stop other animals from spawning

[severe matrix]

and i see draconic and extram crafting at the last two on high prioity

[brave cairn]

lol, I very much hope not

[severe matrix]

Интеграция ExtremeCrafting (Перенести многие рецепты машинок например и другого контента в верстаки 5х5 и более)

ExtremeCrafting Integration (Transfer many recipes for machines, for example, and other content to workbenches 5x5 and larger)

Добавить Draconic Evolution

and this explain itself ^

[brave cairn]

watched this - I like how the guns actually look minecrafty, idk how to feel about the sheer number of them but I'm not a gun person haha
I don't think we need this for 0.9 but it could def be useful in one of the space updates since there will be more stuff to kill

[bleak jolt]

got it

maybe make some of them uncraftable

[coral vault]

They don't affect other mob spawning anymore

[severe matrix]

"What has been put on the back burner, or ideas that will not be realized." well i hope thse two are not applied

[brave cairn]

yeah possibly, the shulk ones won't really fit since we don't have shulk

[severe matrix]

Make custom weight for non-TFC blocks and items this lookes like the only content that they are going for right now that is at mid priority

[brave cairn]

at least exception seems to be quite open to other ideas, like he said he really wants the nether but I told him that me and others felt it didn't fit the theme of tfg, so we compromised on me reskinning it

putting it below the overworld was his idea

and when I started working on space stuff he said it was something he was hoping to add for a while, so he approved of that too

[severe matrix]

https://github.com/orgs/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/projects/9

lol i see food and stuff on the vintage one

[brave cairn]

I have no clue what's going on with vintage

[severe matrix]

there is so much more stuff being work on the vintage

"Make all recipes in groovy scripts"

[brave cairn]

I think that's one that xikaro works more on? that's all I know

[severe matrix]

yes, he is on three of the mid proity task

and few in the low too

[bleak jolt]

theres skulk ones?

i didnt checkl the full vid

[brave cairn]

yeah sort of near the end before the "scorched" category

[severe matrix]

Xikaro Clean up tfc resource files, there is a lot of unused crap there

lol look at this one

[severe matrix]

so is your update official or unoffical at the end

[brave cairn]

it'll be official as soon as it gets merged into the main repo 😛

[severe matrix]

hay look at this

https://terrafirmagreg.su/

[coral vault]

I wonder if it will populate a little more when we are closer to finishing development

I'd probably play on the server after it's done

[brave cairn]

ya who knows

I'm just happy that things are still active after hecuba's series has been getting fewer views

[coral vault]

How much did things change from those videos? Started playing before then and joined the discord later on

[brave cairn]

videos?

https://terrafirmagreg.su/storage/img/image-1.png oh god there's a stargate

god I hate that model it looks so out of place in minecraft

[coral vault]

Hecubas videos

I might be able to change the Stargate model depending on how it's made

[brave cairn]

oh!

he's on uh 0.7.14 I think

so... not that much has changed fundamentally since then

[coral vault]

Oh no I meant the popularity of the server

[brave cairn]

oh! well the popularity was his fault, I only started playing because of him haha

[coral vault]

Lol

[brave cairn]

as did many of the others here

[severe matrix]

so is me, i was into tfc and felt something lacking

[brave cairn]

I think this is a screenshot from vintage?

[coral vault]

I started playing when it was added to curseforge. I love tfc packs lol

[coral vault]

Is there still discussion on adding Stargate to modern?

[severe matrix]

i see non in the road map

[brave cairn]

there's been a few people requesting it but I haven't seen anyone seriously talking about it

I don't really see much of a point to it honestly

[coral vault]

Neither do I

[severe matrix]

i mean hay it is teleportation

[coral vault]

I'd prefer something more like tempad

[severe matrix]

but the requirment in the gtnh is like ridiculous

[coral vault]

It's kinda the point tbf

[severe matrix]

it can be a thing but the prioity is way too low

compare to the unfinish part of tfg itself

[coral vault]

Adding goth girls is a higher priority

[brave cairn]

tbh the only sort of thing I could see a stargate for is going from like, earth planets to whenever we start doing scifi planets

[coral vault]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/cosmos-portals

What about something like this?

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/wormhole-portals

I think this one lets us require energy ^

[brave cairn]

energy use is cool

the sort of thing I was looking for, at least for within-solar-system teleporting, is something that maybe requires a fluid? so we can feed it rocket fuel and then swap the model for a little rocket going off

[coral vault]

Honestly. Could probably make that just a custom asset

Does gtceu still let you make custom machines on the newer version?

[brave cairn]

yep

[coral vault]

Might be able to have a machine take inputs and then when it finished use a kubejs script to teleport the player

[brave cairn]

so the netherarium/enderarium still work for now, and the electric greenhouse is also technically "custom"

[coral vault]

Not sure the mechanics on how we can get it to detect what player to teleport

[brave cairn]

yeah I'm not sure of the specifics honestly

even just something like a waystone but you have to rclick it with a bucket of rocket fuel or something would be good lmao

[coral vault]

Hmmm

I know tempad can require item consumables and RF, but I'm not sure about liquids

Could always use fuel cans

[brave cairn]

yeah

[coral vault]

Just realized that what we want is exactly what the rocket launch par is lol. Just less long animations

[brave cairn]

basically!

rocket launch is fun but also slow

so... some sort of fast travel would be nice for qol

[coral vault]

My vote is for tempad. Way stone is good too but needs a reskin

Could just do both ngl

As far as I know waystone only lets you set and exp requirement. Which isn't very good

[brave cairn]

mm and we don't use xp for anything atm

[coral vault]

And there isn't really a source of exp for peaceful players

[brave cairn]

yeee

honestly if there was a way to just hide the xp bar that might be nice lol

[coral vault]

there probably is a way ngl

[brave cairn]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/unexperienced one quick google later

[coral vault]

Would be cool to have an enchantment alternative

[brave cairn]

that's what perfectly forged is for :p

what sort of enchants would even be useful?

tools last so long that by the time one breaks you can make the next tier

so unbreaking and mending are useless

tools already get so much faster than vanilla so efficiency is useless

I could maybe see the case for like, prot on armor but at that point we might as well just buff the existing armors? like make nano stronger than colored steel or whatever

bow enchants? why not a gun mod?

[coral vault]

Except it isn't available on gtceu late game stuff right?

[brave cairn]

feather fall? hazmat/nano boots cancel fall damage entirely

[brave cairn]

it's just an nbt tag

[coral vault]

I guess I'm just vanilla brained. Seeing things without glint just doesn't feel like they are peak yet

[brave cairn]

it doesn't show any difference in the tooltip but if you compare a perfectly forged and normal tool, there's definitely a speed difference

(weird interaction between gt and tfc I guess)

[coral vault]

I see. Do they come with the nbt when processed with machines?

[brave cairn]

not by default but it's easy enough to add

[coral vault]

Maybe add a way to upgrade the equipment to be perfectly foraged

So it isn't applied by default

[brave cairn]

I'm still just kinda.. not really sure it's needed?
we'll have to see in the playtests

[coral vault]

Valid

[blazing swan]

is there anything that needs to be done that is core functionality?
what is broken that means that we couldn't update the curseforge with all the changes?
or are we wanting to add all the content before we release?

[brave cairn]

we got a todo list here! https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern/blob/0.9/TODO.md have you seen that? it's relatively new

as for curseforge, well, nobody can do it except exception or xikaro I think, and it would be good to have everything playable and mostly finished before starting playtests -- but we can do playtests without uploading it there

I remember when 0.8 was on cf, we'd get people in here all the time who downloaded it, not knowing it was an alpha

so I think it would be better if we only uploaded it there when it was good enough for new players to play and not get horribly stuck

[coral vault]

Yeah lol

I don't have to work this weekend!

Only a 12 day work week instead of a 19 day one

I can finally work on modpack features

[brave cairn]

what the hell do you do that has such long work weeks

[coral vault]

I work in the medical device industry. So sometimes we get big demands out of nowhere and have to do overtime

[brave cairn]

damn!

[coral vault]

So if people could stop getting heart disease it would positively impact my Minecraft modpack developing experience

[brave cairn]

I'll do my best, man

[coral vault]

Thanks 😎

[brave cairn]

I got my parents visiting this weekend for mothers day here, but I also have an extra day next week

[coral vault]

Extra day off or an extra day of work?

[brave cairn]

first

I did two extra days of work a few weeks back so I had one extra off this week and will have another off next

[coral vault]

Nice!

Would be cool if I got days off for working extra days

[plain imp]

I'm so lost rn lol

Configuring a feature, when i give it a default wild crop to place, it does, when i give it my feature name, it doesn't place anythin glmao

[plain imp]

Do i need to "create" a feature item somewhere? I already have the configured and placed feature files, and the game says there's missing or corrupted data

[coral vault]

@brave cairn working on the mattock heads now. Do you know how to properly import other classes? Im trying to provide information to the material handler

https://github.com/Therighthon/RoadsAndRoofsTFC/blob/main/src/main/java/com/therighthon/rnr/common/item/MattockItem.java#L33 I believe most of what I need is here

interestingly It seems like they just used most of the coding from the tfc chisel.

[coral vault]

weird bug with logs. Also cant make dug out canoes (even when stripped)

[severe matrix]

you have to have soft wood

birch is not soft wood that can be made into a canoes

[severe matrix]

and i see no bug really the log being mine like that is a feature

[coral vault]

not me skipping a page

[severe matrix]

use pine or something

[coral vault]

it seems weird that placed logs should break like that. very annoying if building

yeah canoes are fine. Im just dumb

[severe matrix]

na just shift and mine one

[coral vault]

has it always been like that?

[severe matrix]

always

[severe matrix]

you also see people accidentally broke the whole building because they forgot to shift

[coral vault]

😬

my dumb ass would

[coral vault]

🗿

[brave cairn]

🗿

[brave cairn]

for that one on the right, do you know about structure voids and cave air?

[brave cairn]

uhhhh I think you'd have to add it as a dependency in the project... I've not done that before but I'll see if I have time today to try it

[brave cairn]

what does the log file say? the placed feature needs to point at your configured feature at the top

[plain imp]

🤷‍♂️

Did everything again

Wild crop block is correct, correct texture, items drops, model
I have the files for blockstate, model, textures in the right place
The /place feature kubejs:cropname just doesn't spawn anything

Logs don't throw me any errors either lol

[brave cairn]

/place hardly ever works for me too lol

[plain imp]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

it works for all the other crops :(((((

so the only thing i can do is pump the spawning to max and go search for it?

[brave cairn]

yeh

[plain imp]

fml

[brave cairn]

you can do /tfc count to look for your block within a radius

[plain imp]

oh nice

do i need to add a tag for the block to be able to count it? lol

[brave cairn]

shouldn't

if you're still stuck, post your files and I can try it out if I have time today

[plain imp]

Thank you so much

I'll probably post em on my own fork :p

have edited like 4-5 files, hard to post everything on dc

[plain imp]

aw beans it didn't work
pumped the spawnrate to max on the placed feature and nothing spawned on a new world for like a thousand blocks or so

might have missed a tag that tfc needs to spawn it or something, idk

good night

[brave cairn]

did you add it to the biome tag?

[hardy flax]

Same

[plain imp]

First thing i'll do tomorrow

[plain imp]

I started because of Flurben

Lol

[brave cairn]

startup scripts/tfc/tags.js, at the bottom

https://terrafirmacraft.github.io/Documentation/1.20.x/worldgen/tags/

then you put it in one of these tags

tfc:feature/crops looks like the one you want

[plain imp]

Huh

I think i did that, but on server_scripts

I'll do place it on startup, thx

[brave cairn]

no you're right it's server

mb

[plain imp]

https://tenor.com/view/suffering-sad-exhausted-gif-26699583

[coral vault]

No. What is that?

[coral vault]

I figured it was something like that. I can try to Google it or something

[coral vault]

Ah. I figured it out. Ive been following that tutorial you sent before

[severe matrix]

Pyritie we need a recipe to remove the lid from a lid jar to make jar without lid so people can scorp honey with it

[brave cairn]

scorp

[brave cairn]

yee, tldr they tell minecraft "replace this with any existing blocks" and "make sure this is always air"

[coral vault]

java.lang.IllegalStateException: Unbound values in registry ResourceKey[minecraft:root / minecraft:worldgen/structure]: [tfg:plains_temperate_house_0] 

crashing when trying to test the structure

not really sure what the issue is since this is all it says

seems like the issue is with the pool file. But it looks fine to me```json
{
"name": "tfg:plains_temperate_house_0_pool",
"fallback": "minecraft:empty",
"elements": [
{
"weight": 1,
"element": {
"location": "tfg:temperate/plains_temperate_house_0_0",
"processors": "minecraft:empty",
"projection": "rigid",
"element_type": "minecraft:single_pool_element"
}
},
{
"weight": 1,
"element": {
"location": "tfg:temperate/plains_temperate_house_0_1",
"processors": "minecraft:empty",
"projection": "rigid",
"element_type": "minecraft:single_pool_element"
}
},
{
"weight": 1,
"element": {
"location": "tfg:temperate/plains_temperate_house_0_2",
"processors": "minecraft:empty",
"projection": "rigid",
"element_type": "minecraft:single_pool_element"
}
}
]
}

figured it out

I had a typo in the file name so it didnt match the path

works! next I need to try out loot tables

(they will be much rarer than this lol)

interestingly indicator blocks ignore cave_air

shouldve expected supports to not generate right lol

[brave cairn]

yeah, indicators are added on a different step I think? I'm guessing part of the UNDERGROUND_ORES one

those look like a cool start!

[coral vault]

thanks! just wanted to start simple so I can understand how it works

[brave cairn]

rotation stuff is weird haha

for loot tables you want a command like this
/give @s minecraft:chest{BlockEntityTag:{LootTable:"mod_name:loot_table_registry_name"}}

edit the last bit to like, tfg:plains_temperate_pool for example

then place the chest down as part of your structure but do not open it

you want its "unopened" state to be registered into the structure, so it'll correctly get randomized loot

(took me a bit to figure this out haha)

[coral vault]

do you think it works with vessels?

[brave cairn]

not tried it!

but I don't have high hopes

it didn't work when I tried ae2 sky stone chest or greg crates

though I only tried those with randomized inventory. I think sky stone chest might work if you had the same inventory over time (which is boring), whereas the greg crate wouldn't even get saved into the structure lol

no clue about vessels though 🤔

oh, the "framed secret storage" also worked for same inventory every time, didn't try it with random

[severe matrix]

for what i see that building seems really new in terms of a debris

it is suppose to be really new ?

if not then consider putting more holes on the top and maybe a few vine around the bottom of the building and green on the thatch as in real life they last short when not maintain

[coral vault]

there are three different states for the buildings. new, collapsed, and ruins. There are talks of adding illager type enemies so the new buildings are mostly meant for those

[brave cairn]

any luck with the java dependency stuff?

[coral vault]

havent worked on it yet today. Took a break to work on structures

heres an example of the collapsed version of the structure

looks like vessels do generate. Ill just have to see if they retain their loot tables

[brave cairn]

alright, I'll have a little time in a bit I could see if I could get it working

[brave cairn]

I think I got it! I pushed it to the repo

had to add the file to build.gradle and figure it out with this https://cursemaven.com/

[coral vault]

so vessels dont work but i have another idea

[coral vault]

nicee! ill have to check out how you did it

[coral vault]

so my idea is to have generated vases that hold custom loot tables. And you just break the pots to get the items. (place holder item test)

[brave cairn]

ah so it just uses a normal block loot table instead of a chest one!

[coral vault]

yupp

[brave cairn]

nice workaround!

[coral vault]

and I just need to add a custom version of a block so that the normal version doesnt drop the loot table

[brave cairn]

so like a craftable and noncraftable one?

[coral vault]

yeah

idk if youve tried to use lootjs yet but it works very well

colors.forEach(color => {
        event.addBlockLootModifier(`tfg:decorative_vase/generated/${color}`)
        .removeLoot(Ingredient.all)
        .pool((pool) => {
            pool.rolls([1, 5]);
            pool.addAlternativesLoot(
                LootEntry.of('minecraft:apple').when((c) => c.randomChance(0.8)),
                LootEntry.of('minecraft:stick').when((c) => c.randomChance(0.3)),
                LootEntry.of('minecraft:diamond').when((c) => c.randomChance(0.7)),
                LootEntry.of('minecraft:coal').when((c) => c.randomChance(0.99)),
                LootEntry.of('minecraft:torch').when((c) => c.randomChance(0.2))
            );
        });
    });

this is what it looks like for the vase

[brave cairn]

a little, I ended up just using normal data files for most things

[coral vault]

both are valid

[brave cairn]

mostly to just tweak stuff that already exists

[coral vault]

json just makes me sad to look at

[brave cairn]

I'm used to it lol

[vocal slate]

The fast option could be telepresence - You control a robotic body or whatever. It would factually work by teleporting the player directly to their destination, but without any of their inventory or equipment. The inventory and equipment is cached in some manner, and returned when the player teleports back. The telepresence could be time-limited and have significant energy costs (scaling exponentially with telepresence time + cooldown?) if limits are desired or needed. (Specifically I think the equipment could be automatically transferred into the machine/block which initiates the telepresence and mapped to a player name/ID. Then you just need logic to get it all back out when they're done.)

One issue would be preventing the player from breaking the script loop by teleporting again. If the telepresence-body teleported off the moon to mars or whatever, then the script might become confused about when to give their equipment back. Or if it ever should. (Same issue if the telepresence body 'dies'). This needs to be taken into account, and I'm not sure it's trivial problem.

You could gate the telepresence behind [for example] having sufficient signal bandwidth through some sort of machine, or other requirement which makes sense.

I don't think there's any off-the-shelf solution for this, so sorry if that's not helpful.

[brave cairn]

it's a cool idea! but yeah I'm seeing if there's anything possible that doesn't require extensive effort on our own part lol

[gloomy elm]

that's a cool idea it makes me remember Witchery dream world mechanic

[gloomy elm]

for travel when you get the AE2 Quantum Ring

you can basically make a teleporter for yourself

[brave cairn]

yeah, but the quantum ring will be at the end of space (because of how much it would trivialise it), so that's not really viable

[gloomy elm]

forgot that

Isn't it possible to add a rocket that goes way faster and doesn't explode when it touches the ground?

I guess that would need to be a mod

so you don't get a teleporter but rocket traveling is faster and can be afk

[brave cairn]

doesn't explode?

oh!

yes there's an ad astra addon that has an item that you put in your rocket's inventory and then it'll land safely by itself

[gloomy elm]

i think that could be a cool compromise for a solution

yeah you don't get to teleport

but rocket traveling is less of a bother

[brave cairn]

added bismuth item pipes and bis bronze fluid pipes (same stats as tin and bronze, respectively)

[worthy tusk]

Neat!

[brave cairn]

added a recipe to recycle the tfc blast furnace lol

can't do one for the bloomery though because you can use any of the bronzes for it

[brave cairn]

@proven ginkgo were you still taking a look at that "cold potion" thing? I just noticed that tfc-ambiental actually comes with its own potion effects for lowering/raising temperature

https://github.com/Lumintorious/TFCAmbiental/commit/d892020a3c4b1d64765a63799bf5494ad91ed297

ah my bad this is for an old old version

[gloomy elm]

@brave cairn sorry to bother you

Would it be possible to get a new explanation on how to launch the 0.9 ?

[brave cairn]

from scratch?

[gloomy elm]

yeah I'm trying to get Pakku running for now

[brave cairn]

do you have a 0.9 workspace from my fork?

(easiest to keep that up to date through a tool like VS code or an IDE of your choice)

[gloomy elm]

Do you import the workspace in VS Code?

idk even know what's a workspace 😦

It's like making a fork from your fork?

[brave cairn]

I haven't used VS code (I use normal visual studio) but I think the command is called clone?
if you open up VSC it should have an option like "clone a repository"

[gloomy elm]

I can open Workspace from File

Should I download your fork and do that?

[brave cairn]

there should be an option to clone it from github directly 🤔

[gloomy elm]

Let me look for it

[brave cairn]

like in VS, there's a menu for Git > Clone repo...
then it opens a window where I can select github and paste in a url

[gloomy elm]

I think I need to download an addon for that

I gonna try

https://git-scm.com/downloads/mac

Pleasure of being on mac right now...

[brave cairn]

ah

[gloomy elm]

give me a sec I'm fighting to try to instal the basics lol

[gloomy elm]

Okay I'm there

After 2 youtube videos and 6 fucked up

I'm able to clone the repository

Should I clone this one?

https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern

I made the clone and saved it on my computer

I downloaded Pakku

I'm now lost lol

[brave cairn]

no, you want the 0.9 fork, this one https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern/tree/0.9

my "main" is still 0.7.19

anyway, get that 0.9 cloned, then download pakku, get the pakku.jar and copy it into your minecraft instance (same place as the 0.9 clone)

[gloomy elm]

where do I get the pakku.jar?

[brave cairn]

it should be inside the pakku thing you downloaded... I forget if it's a zip or what

anyway, open terminal in the instance and do java -jar pakku.jar fetch and wait for it to download all the mods for you

it won't download tfg-core though, so put this in your mods folder too

[gloomy elm]

thanks

Oooh

I think it's working

let's see

I guess I can import the pack on Curse after that?

[brave cairn]

yeah!

[gloomy elm]

lol for an unknow reason the file weight 1.5 Go

but I don't see what so heavy in it when I look files by files

the import doesn't work and says invalid files...

file*

Hmm it seems I'm missing something

It doesn't download forge automatically

I guess I could try to do it manually

[brave cairn]

just forge?

[gloomy elm]

yeah forge was missing or maybe invisible idk

but I'm trying by manually creating the modpack with curse

[brave cairn]

I can't suggest doing my method which involves a whole bunch of symlinks 😛

[gloomy elm]

I'm launching now let's see

well it crashes damn

I'm using forge 47.2.16

Is it the good one?

[brave cairn]

apparently we use 47.2.6

[gloomy elm]

let's try to update

oh no that's the one

damn and I have no idea what isnt working

Ooooh

There is an issue

I don't have the updated mods...

I have Rocketry and no Ad Astra

I'm confuse

[severe matrix]

¿

[gloomy elm]

I feel like i'm downloading the wrong repository

[coral vault]

0.9 doesnt have ad astra in it right? thats a separate branch

[brave cairn]

0.9 doesn't have either yeah

[coral vault]

yeah so its a problem if you have rocketry

[brave cairn]

my space stuff is in a separate branch (which is still on 0.7.19)

[gloomy elm]

Ooh so I still have the wrong one

[brave cairn]

looks that way

is this too OP, do you think?
wear the full set and have a constant 18c body temp, completely ignoring ambient

I'm not really sure how else to implement it, just adding a load of heat reduction means it lets you survive lava, but makes you freezing cold in the overworld lol

[coral vault]

if you are at that point in the game then ambient is kind of no longer a factor imo

colorrss

[brave cairn]

ooh so pretty

[gloomy elm]

Damn finally succeed :p

thanks for the help now I can get into the quests though

I feel I don't have the new ones

[coral vault]

my original plan was a seperate model for all 16 colors but... nah lol

6 models will have to do

Do you know if we have an easy builder to add all the dyeing recipes?

[gloomy elm]

oh the quest were on a different branch got it

[brave cairn]

sort of, search for MINECRAFT_DYE_NAMES

most of them just loop over all the dyes, and if they aren't white, do this recipe, then also have a separate lye/chlorine "bleach" recipe for white

others just do all the dyes and don't have white as a special case

up to you really

[coral vault]

I see. Thanks!

[brave cairn]

anyway finished the other insulation stuff

copper diving suit is -1 warmth, +1 insulation

and nano and quarktech armors are also fully insulated

hooray for mixins

[gloomy elm]

Finally I’m set up :p

[gloomy elm]

Isn’t it possible to make it resistant to heat only ?

[brave cairn]

probably yeah

https://github.com/Pyritie/Core-Modern/commit/5bd610c4beb58fc451dd8bfb1d731fca349a25e9 my code is pretty hacky lol

basically I just give the armors huge amounts of insulation, and later on when it figures out the temps, it just adds the insulation together and if it = a full set, force set the temp to 18c

we could do like, two separate big numbers of insulation and have one of them only set your temp if it's higher than something

gotta go to bread now tho

[severe matrix]

make so that it is still hot and not burning in lava

so you are still required a cooling cloth to get more comfortable

[coral vault]

🗿

[proven ginkgo]

I haven't had much time lately to work on it.

[brave cairn]

alright, no problem!

[brave cairn]

not a bad idea

[gloomy elm]

Is this a base firmalife recipe?

[brave cairn]

I think it's firmaciv but yeah

well, mostly -- it exclusively wanted beeswax before, we replaced it with #forge:wax

[gloomy elm]

I wonder if on these kinds of recipes it's not better to simply keep the Sealed Barrel Recipe and a GT one if needed ?

[brave cairn]

did it have a sealed barrel recipe to begin with? 🤔

https://github.com/HyperDashPony/FirmaCiv/blob/Nifty-1.20.x/src/main/resources/data/firmaciv/recipes/crafting/large_waterproof_hide.json here's the original recipe

[gloomy elm]

maybe not I guess :p

Migmatite is Deepslate but is it something naturally generated or is it for space?

[brave cairn]

nether

go to the nether either by standing on bedrock for a bit, or /execute in minecraft:the_nether run tp 0 64 0

[gloomy elm]

Finished MV but gosh that's gonna take some time

Also need to add description for everyting in AE2

[brave cairn]

I think the ae2 chapter needs an overhaul so it doesn't have literally everything in it lol

like you want the main bit of "mine certus -> charge it in a polarizer -> make fluix in a mixer" maybe with a suggestion to use a sifter + rubies for efficiency

then a couple of the starting concepts like storage, interfaces, patterns/patprovs... but then all the tons of different sized disks etc don't need to be there

[gloomy elm]

I can divide it in two chapters

But i think it’s useful to have everything included as quests

Because for lots of players they don’t know it exists or what it does

Or I can incorporate the basic AE2 in the GT quest progression

[brave cairn]

I think once they look up how to craft a few drives they'll see the others in JEI

[gloomy elm]

Disks I agree

But not all the rest

Tag storage bus, Oversized Interface, Matrix, Better P2P

I could go on

I can add the basics of AE2 in the GT quests and keep a chapter for AE2 others stuffs

If you fine with it ?

[brave cairn]

yeah, up to you really

those addon things are pretty unfamiliar, I don't have an issue with those

[gloomy elm]

Sounds good

I need to replay the pack a bit there is lots of change since I finished it

Lots of TFC stones have interesting recipe as dust in the centrifuge

And you added all of them to the rock crusher so

I will add that to the quests

[brave cairn]

mmm I do kinda want to get rid of the dust centrifuging eventually

[gloomy elm]

Oh really?

[brave cairn]

replace them with bedrock mining in space

[gloomy elm]

Too strong for TFG?

[brave cairn]

less that they're too strong, more that they're just boring

[gloomy elm]

There is Rutile which is used to make Titanium

It may be a bit overpowered

[brave cairn]

I mean gabbro used to just give straight titanium dust lol

[gloomy elm]

Well I will have a look at all of them and suggest modifications so it doesn’t give main progression stuff

[brave cairn]

there's a section in the field guide that lists everything, tfg tips > infinite resources

[gloomy elm]

Ooh I should look a bit in the book

[brave cairn]

there's a lot of missing key resources like copper

[gloomy elm]

well it’s everywhere though

[brave cairn]

the main things people use dust for is iron, aluminium, and sulfur, sometimes that titanium

[gloomy elm]

To be honest in a modpack like TFG I would be against the possibility of having irons or others dust by just centrifuging stone dust

But that’s just me

[brave cairn]

yeah that's why I wanna get rid of them lol

it's not like it's difficult to get thousands of iron from the mining machines anyway

[spiral lintel]

make it an extremely low chance for tiny dusts. I mean you could extract iron from oxides in random rocks irl, it's just not economical.

but it's neat knowing which rocks contain trace amounts of elements

[brave cairn]

I did already nerf the hell out of diorite

[gloomy elm]

I was wondering

For stuffs like Fluorine for example

would it be interesting to make it a harder processing line to get it sustainbly and later on when you progress in space you unlock easier way to make it

that would expand gregtech and keep the feeling of unlocking faster process

without having to push further tiers

[brave cairn]

you already get a lot of it from digging up a topaz vein, but yeah later we can add more minerals (like fluorite) or other ways to get it easily

I wanna try and follow the general gregtech principle of "do it a difficult way now to make it easier later"

[gloomy elm]

exactly i share this same idea

[gloomy elm]

And if we want nothing is stopping us to nerf the usual method

or reduce some ores veins