🚀EN - 1.20 Modpack Contribution Megathread

[coral vault]

they clearly dont "yearn for the mines" as much as me

[brave cairn]

it's not even a deep vein, it's a "pipe" vein which means it's very tall and skinny

so a lot of them were just below the surface

[coral vault]

my first vein spawned right next to me in a lake

[brave cairn]

but unless you walk around banging a prop pick around the ground everywhere, you're not gonna find it without indicators

or got lucky with water exposing it yeah lol

that was also pretty common, people saying to look along rivers

[coral vault]

based water source

[prime sonnet]

yeah, both of the graphite deposits i found were water exposed: one in a river and one in an ocean uplift

[cosmic veldt]

welp now that tfg core is open source i guess we could start working on all the compat stuff

[prime sonnet]

at some point someone should look into making the food recipes not goofy
like i said earlier, i can probably do that but my schedule is packed rn

[cosmic veldt]

not goofy as in not respecting expiry date or nutrients?

because that one's definitely on my todo list

[worthy tusk]

i might be willing to look into that with you but not... probably not this week

[prime sonnet]

yeah i'm pretty swamped rn

if someone else wants to try and tackle that they can go ahead but if no one's working on it when i get some time, it's on my list

[worthy tusk]

i've gotta pick and choose my times since i'm getting my master's degree this semester

[prime sonnet]

yeah that's more important than a minecraft modpack 💀

[worthy tusk]

why do you think it took me weeks to write 6 lines of JS lol

[prime sonnet]

XD

[brave cairn]

anyway, slapped out another biome today. Not sure why frogs aren't spawning though (regular minecraft frogs, not the tfc ones (I have no climate model here yet))

so far it's lush caves + mushroom stuff + everyone's favourite basalt deltas + one full of spiders, then a bunch of normal-lookin cave ones in between I think

open to other ideas

[honest halo]

I feel like its missing some kind of long grass. or long mycelium i guess?

[brave cairn]

yeah idk what to add for it

I could recolor one of the nether "grasses" I guess

[exotic wraith]

What is this place btw?

I'm curious

[brave cairn]

new nether biome

if exception really wants to add the nether he agreed that we could make it less nether-y

[gloomy elm]

Could have been cool to make of this revamped Beneath a far planet though

[brave cairn]

that's the other reason why I want to revamp it, so I can use a bunch of the vanilla nether stuff on other planets lol

[worthy tusk]

I was hoping to see a bit of discussion about this suggested change here in this pr https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/789

[brave cairn]

what do you want to discuss?

[elder niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS6cPI0qkjs

[brave cairn]

we already have ambient sounds

[elder niche]

I just thought it might complement, I don't know. In any case, it's a relaxing enough video.

[green kernel]

I'm super new to TerrafirmaGreg. So noob question. I have looked everywhere I could and can't find this answer. On the UI what is the triangle above your heath and food bars? Working theory is its related to temperature??

[elder niche]

increasing temperature

[green kernel]

Given this mod pack, I assume you can get too hot? Like I shouldn't head to the desert in my insulated leather armor in the middle of summer?

[elder niche]

true. And u can go to 1.20 chat. This chat is for discussing updates

[green kernel]

Oh sorry... <---- Noob as mentioned and thanks for the info

[sharp smelt]

sound physic remastered + presence footsteps best

[honest halo]

I dont know if this is the right place to ask, but until we get primitive hazard gear can the backpack upgrade that puts items into backpack on pickup be made available at a lower power tier?

[brave cairn]

oh cool, new beneath update yesterday adds configurable spikes, that'll def be useful

[brave cairn]

well one advantage of tfc-core being open source is I can see why there's no ores being generated for deepslate lol

hmm

[brave cairn]

hm, glowstone dust -> liquid glowstone in the stomping barrel or whatever it's called?

[worthy tusk]

Is that a suggestion of a new recipe

If that's a case always Interpreted glowstone as needing to be melted

[brave cairn]

something for the crucible then?

I'm not sure if that would work either 🤔 how could you get it from a crucible into a lamp?

maybe a pot or vat recipe then since that does more normal fluids

[prime sonnet]

i think it's fine to keep glowstone gated behind LV
if anything, it should be more clear creosote is a lamp fuel, and perhaps it should be buffed instead

[brave cairn]

I mean you'll be able to get glowstone really easily with the nether changes, but it would be annoying if you couldn't actually use it (since there's no silk touch)

but hm, making other fuels irrelevant wouldn't be good either 🤔

I guess there's the lights from simplylights? unless those recipe changes were still going to happen

[worthy tusk]

why

[brave cairn]

made my own debug feature to view carvers lol

[prime sonnet]

gathering from the nether would honestly still be vastly cheaper than the creosote recipe, which means it would be relevant in LV
there would still be reason to visit the nether in prim age (esp if its going to have kaolin), but getting glowstone could just not be useful for you until you can actually refine it in LV, thats an option

[brave cairn]

hmm true

I wonder how many ingredients the vat can hold? having it as a vat/pot recipe with the same materials as in lv could work

[worthy tusk]

pretty sure at max a stack of items and at max 10 buckets

[brave cairn]

like different items

[worthy tusk]

Is being able to nest backpacks nd vessels infinite intended for the balance of this modpack?

[prime sonnet]

backpacks should be given a size too large to fit in a vessel or chest tbh

[severe matrix]

how would the mineral complient will be like

i mean what will we get from the stone dust

[brave cairn]

no lol

[brave cairn]

I'll look at what they produce irl and think of what could be balanced and do that

[honest halo]

You can also put backpacks in the tool belt

[brave cairn]

I'm not sure who thought that was a good idea lol

[severe matrix]

can you open the backpack in the belt ?

[prime sonnet]

i think it's just because by default any nonstackable item goes in
but it's fairly easy to disable certain item

[brave cairn]

oh? I remember trying a few things and guessed there was some tool tag it was looking for

[prime sonnet]

i thought it's through a cfg file

[brave cairn]

no clue, I never looked into it

[prime sonnet]

i remember looking at the mod page a while back

[brave cairn]

neat

[prime sonnet]

idk how the item whitelist/blacklist works specifically, ig, but i'm guessing through a config?

so that at least shouldn't be too hard to change

[brave cairn]

that would make the most sense

and tfc's system to handle item inventories should stop the vessel nesting

...gotta admit though it'd be nice if you could carry multiple backpacks without the heavy debuff lol

as a tradeoff of this

[prime sonnet]

eh idk

maybe? but that seems pretty powerful in terms of earlygame inventory management
perhaps aluminum bag's weight could be decreased to allow you to carry multiple, but inventory management on journeys in prim age is kinda supposed to be a challenge
although ig the horse cart kinda nullifies that but requiring a horse to use it seems reasonable imo

i do agree that once you start working with a bunch of machines and crap the extra space is quite nice

and since your trips are more "i'm gonna get 2-3 resources in specific that i need" instead of "let me pick all of these crops that might be useful to me" it's less of a "oh, what do i need urgently and what can i throw out" and more of a "well i guess i'll have to take 3 trips to the mines"

which is more annoyance than challenge

[worthy tusk]

you don't need a horse to use a cvart

[prime sonnet]

yeah but it makes you hella slow does it not?

to the point where it's impractical for a journey

[brave cairn]

yeah I'm more thinking of later game when you wanna carry around a few backpacks to drop down next to miners

[prime sonnet]

could just make leather backpacks restrict amount and then higher tiers not, but a note would be needed since that's not exactly obvious behavior

[severe matrix]

well it was a diffcult thing when making paper from wood was not a thing

but when paper making got around, making backpack became a lot easier

[prime sonnet]

i mean i have to imagine it was never particularly challenging if you lived in a climate where papyrus grew

[brave cairn]

which is most players

[prime sonnet]

exactly

[wet forum]

Should be noted that as soon as you have access to the minecart assembler from create, you can make a contraption with a lot of chests and you dont suffer any penalities for moving them

My main use for backpacks is actually as filters for my storage system, since its 27+ slots easily configurable and you dont require the filter upgrade if you fill every slots and memorize those

[exotic wraith]

Hello chat

I'm going back home from vacation

Have I missed anything interesting?

[brave cairn]

uh were you here when tfg-core was made open source?

[coral vault]

Btw. You can put a second backpack in the cosmetic armor slot and it doesn't slow you down

[exotic wraith]

Yup

So I'll guess not much has happened since

[brave cairn]

not a whole lot

mostly just me makin' biomes

[exotic wraith]

Based

[brave cairn]

I'm hitting a couple snags that I need java code for, so I guess I'm gonna get started on that when I'm back from a trip next week

[exotic wraith]

noice

i'm currently trying to get the TFG Core intelliJ project running

so i can go and add my contribution

@low gate how OK are you with updating mods for the modpack? i'm looking into implementing ArborFirmaCraft's trees with FirmaCiv's boat mechanics (which i'll need code in TFG to bridge the gap). was thinking on updating FirmaCiv to latest altho that'll require an update to TFC...

Ok better question, is there any kind of special setup i need to do on the TFGCore project to have it run? i'm getting an Exception related to Registrate which i have no clue how to interpret

[honest halo]

@brave cairn rather than keeping the current method of nether air you made. How would you feel about creating a block or cover that only works on the top/bottom of bedrock that acts as an item teleporter from beneath to overworld? could probably steal a block from another mod and change the recipe to be similar to gregtech bedrock ore miners or fluid drilling setups.

[brave cairn]

That would be cool but would require a bunch of custom java code that idk how to do yet

[honest halo]

I c

lemme go look for the mod I am thinking of

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/compact-machines

this mod does something similar

[severe matrix]

ah this mod

[brave cairn]

it would probably have to be something custom for tfg because it would have to be exclusive to nether <-> overworld

[honest halo]

well in this mod its exclusive to the compact cube dimension and wherever you placed the cube

[brave cairn]

I can't use any general cross-dimension transport (like greg ender covers) because it would defeat a lot of my plans for space logistics

[honest halo]

all the cubes go in the one dimension

could just ban the blocks from being placed anywhere that isnt overworld/nether

altho that still leaves potential for overworld-overworld transport

hmmmm

[exotic wraith]

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.module.ResolutionException: Modules Registrate.MC1._20 and Registrate export package com.tterrag.registrate.providers.loot to module architectury

what does this even mean

[brave cairn]

like I said, I think it'd have to be custom lol

[honest halo]

did you know trains can teleport accross dimensions?

with the use of a nether portal

but still, its coded

[brave cairn]

yes

the nether portal is a big "but" lol

[honest halo]

kek

[brave cairn]

I wonder if there's a way to disable nerher portals through conventional means but require a new item to activate them?

that would help

[honest halo]

maybe see what happens when you go to server properties and disable the nether

[brave cairn]

so you need like, something in mv instead of just obsidian + fire

[honest halo]

maybe you can still make the portal but players cant use it

so its JUST for trains

[brave cairn]

that would be very annoying to set up lol

[honest halo]

more or less annoying than learning java?

[brave cairn]

I have to do that anyway

[exotic wraith]

well, time to wait for exception to see and answer my message

cuz i cant even start the actual project by running the client gradle run

[gusty schooner]

I thought we were doing away with the nether

[honest halo]

its not exactly the nether

if you have a scroll through the channel you will see screenshots of what pyrite is working on

its pretty cool

[gusty schooner]

Oh yeah

Is immersive portals stable enough that we could use the dimension stacking feature? That would be pretty cool

With a block between the dimensions that only like mv+ can break

https://qouteall.fun/immptl/wiki/Dimension-Stack.html

[brave cairn]

not on 1.20 unfort

also bad for performance, there's a lot of people who play tfg on a toaster

[gusty schooner]

If only cubic chunks was still a thing past 1.12

Infinite build height and depth

[honest halo]

would it be possible to make the gas collector detect biome instead of dimension?

[spiral lintel]

7 years old i3 laptop here 🙋‍♂️

[exotic wraith]

how many fps

genuenly curious

@prime sonnet wild question but have you been able to get the TFGCore project running?

[prime sonnet]

no, can't even boot 0.9
have you figured out a way for 0.9 to boot?

[exotic wraith]

no

sadly not

so much for arborfirmacraft integration

[prime sonnet]

i tried going thru all the mods and everything to check everything was up to date

that was about the limit of my tenacity

[exotic wraith]

i just get a funny registery error and then the game dies

[gusty schooner]

Maybe I try to get it running today

I’ll keep you posted

[prime sonnet]

i get a uhhh mixin failure and then the game kills itself

if u can get 0.9 running then hmu tho

i have code that i should test at some point 💀

[gusty schooner]

Is there not instructions on the GitHub?

I haven’t looked at it yet

[prime sonnet]

nah, 0.9 is barely worked on

i think exception likely has some changes that aren't pushed or smthn, like an update to the pakku-lock

[gusty schooner]

Wait what is 0.9

Extension of 0.7.x?

[prime sonnet]

it's the dev branch exception is working on, with the latest changes to TFG-core

[gusty schooner]

Or 0.8.x?

[prime sonnet]

0.8 has pretty much been dropped afai

[gusty schooner]

Oh ok

[prime sonnet]

most dev was being done on 0.7 and now exception is working on 0.9 which has pretty large overhauls to tfg-core so further work would probably be done there (if we can get it to run)

[exotic wraith]

none

[prime sonnet]

i mean there are, they just don't work

[gloomy elm]

Yep I had the discussion earlier with Pyritie

You can configure any GT recipe so it has a biome condition

And it works with Tfc Biomes

[honest halo]

could make the layer just above bedrock a unique biome that gives nether gas or sumthin

[brave cairn]

vertical biomes are uhhh tricky lol

from my experience trying to stack them in the nether lol

[honest halo]

oh? fair enough, I knew it was possible due to various instances of them in vanilla

but i wasnt aware it was annoying

[brave cairn]

one surface biome and one underground is fine

multiple underground biomes on top of each other? no lol

biomes in general are very fuzzy and will not stay where you try to limit them lol

[spiral lintel]

about 30 fps with offloading the server to at*rnos and using fast graphics, disabling better foliage and turning down render distance wayyyy down

[exotic wraith]

i got insanely sidetracked, what i basically tried was:

1. Fork it
2. Clone It
3. Open it (with intelliJ)
4. Let it Setup
5. Run the Gradle task for Setup Client
6. Run the Gradle task for Starting a Client
7. Crash

[brave cairn]

fork it, clone it, open it, bop it

[exotic wraith]

Thats basically what i did yeah

and it just

didnt work

😭

Exception pls i just want arborfirmacraft so i can kill the treetap mod (it sucks)

[wet forum]

@exotic wraith line 163 in build.grade, change implementation to compileOnly
compileOnly fg.deobf("com.tterrag.registrate:Registrate:MC1.20-1.3.3")

[exotic wraith]

👁️

lemme try that

[wet forum]

thats where im at, pack loads but crash at world creation

[exotic wraith]

Wild, it actually works that way

i really hope exception can share some wisdom soon

Wild, yeah that does work somewhat

[wet forum]

he is busy atm so i wouldnt rely on that

also, since you asked what the error meant earlier. Basically, two java modules try to export the same package to another module. This is because registrate is also a gregtech dependency and will be linked as a part of it. So, with the compileOnly, we tell our IDE to use that dependencies only to compile our code, we will let the linker do the job after.

Not sure if those terms "linker" and "compiler" are correct for java but at least, thats how it is called in c/c++

[exotic wraith]

ohh

ok that makes sense

basically duplicate dependencies

[timid knot]

The quest directly after hammer molds is incorrectly named "Bronze or Copper axe" when it should be hammer

[timid olive]

I believe I have found an important oversight in the modpack: crushed ice cannot be used in place of ice shavings in the TFG icecream recipe

[brave cairn]

idk how to even get ice shavings

[cosmic veldt]

it drops when you break ice

[brave cairn]

oh

[severe matrix]

a lot is obtain from getting ice

[sharp smelt]

for intellij it's best to use java 17 and update all libraries, forge should also be the same as in the mod pack, but sometimes there are problems with versions and code compatibility

[exotic wraith]

i'm p sure that isnt whats wrong in this case

like

there has to be something exception or someone else in the team does to make it work

and hasnt pushed it

that or was accidentally gitignored

[wet forum]

if someone got it working, lets hope he shows himself

so far, every attempt on booting either tfg-core or 0.9 has failed somehow

[blazing swan]

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.module.ResolutionException: Modules Registrate and Registrate.MC1._20 export package com.tterrag.registrate.providers.loot to module minecraft
    at java.base/java.lang.module.Resolver.resolveFail(Resolver.java:901)
    at java.base/java.lang.module.Resolver.failTwoSuppliers(Resolver.java:815)
    at java.base/java.lang.module.Resolver.checkExportSuppliers(Resolver.java:736)
    at java.base/java.lang.module.Resolver.finish(Resolver.java:380)

error trying to run TFG-Core 0.9.x, can't figure it out

[wet forum]

line 163 in build.grade, change implementation to compileOnly
---> compileOnly fg.deobf("com.tterrag.registrate:Registrate:MC1.20-1.3.3")

[blazing swan]

    Mod ID: 'tfc', Requested by: 'tfg', Expected range: '3.2.7', Actual version: '[MISSING]'
    Mod ID: 'gtceu', Requested by: 'tfg', Expected range: '1.4.6', Actual version: '[MISSING]'
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.module.ResolutionException: Modules tfg and main export package su.terrafirmagreg.core.mixins.common.flywheel to module minecraft

now I get these errors, even though I have gradle clean and gradle build.

[wet forum]

you are missing mandatory dependencies, tfc version 3.2.7 and gtceu 1.4.6

[blazing swan]

I have both

[wet forum]

this is not gt 1.4.6

[blazing swan]

finally got it launched on a different PC all I did was set registrate to Compile only, and bumped the version of ldlib lol

like I spent hours trying to get it to work, and then it just works on a fresh clone after those changes. like wtf is this lol

[exotic wraith]

Like

Ok

Are you able to create a world

[blazing swan]

Yep

[blazing swan]

Bug in GTCeu where it sets Block to null

settings allUniqueStonetypes to true skips that setting to null

[blazing swan]

pretty much, its generating the Loot for Marble aluminium, but then is trying to look up StoneAluminum, so it doesn't find it, sets it to null, and causes the crash

[wet forum]

ty for the solution for that issue, its actually configured to true in the modpack's config

[exotic wraith]

Oh poggers

I'm gonna get this to work on my side then submit a bug report on the github

[exotic wraith]

aight

time to test this

[exotic wraith]

where can i find this setting?

found it

its in worldgen

[wet forum]

runs/client/config/gtceu.yaml or smth like that

[exotic wraith]

aye

i was looking for it ingame, found it that way

now i can finally resume my killing of the treetap mod

but first

i'll make an issue in the modpack modern github (no issue page exist in the mod github itself)

[exotic wraith]

curious, any reason why you decided to update GT?

[blazing swan]

I didn't? That is the version that was there on the 0.9.x branch

[exotic wraith]

ohh

i see

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/issues/797

i think i'll begin the development of the arborfirmacraft implementation in 0.9.x instead of main

you cant even develop from 0.9.x

so i guess i'm using main

[blazing swan]

I got it working. with those changes that I said

[exotic wraith]

guh

[blazing swan]

#1331744604701069393 message

[exotic wraith]

aight

i'll try again

[blazing swan]

yeah then you have to make sure to do this
#1331744604701069393 message

I can do a pull request to pull those changes in? I am still trying to figure out how to not have to set that config to true to make it work, like why is it that the logic causes it to crash

[exotic wraith]

i'm unsure why thats the case, but if the "runs" folder is gitignored (which it seems to be the case) there isnt a good way to add that config in automagically

at most an Onboarding markdown file could be created explaining that step

[blazing swan]

you can get to the main menu, and then edit the config from the mods menu

[exotic wraith]

yeah

thats what the onboarding doc would specify

[blazing swan]

yeah, it either needs the steps, or mitigation of that error, like make all ores ignore stone?

I don't think that would even work actually

[exotic wraith]

i guess, i barely understand whats going on, i'm a C# dev by trade not java. i see these errors and get immediatly overwhelmed at how humongous the damn stack traces are

[blazing swan]

pull request into gregtech checking for block == null?

ah, mixins also make the stacktrace not accurate

I also found it you enable the config. Load the new world menu, then disable it. Delete the world and trigger the logic that would crash. It doesn't. Not sure why though

[exotic wraith]

ohh

ymean a pr onto gt

maybe yeah

i thought you meant a pr into tfg-core

[blazing swan]

Yeah onto gregtech modern. That would fix this whole issue

[exotic wraith]

maybe that could work

myself i finally got the latest firmaciv working in the project

I cant even run the game

yeah something else on my changes is causing to crash

if its the fact that i updated TFC i'm shooting myself on the kneecaps

net.minecraftforge.fml.ModLoadingException: GregTech (gtceu) encountered an error during the done event phase
§7java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "com.gregtechceu.gtceu.api.machine.MultiblockMachineDefinition.asStack()" because "com.gregtechceu.gtceu.common.data.machines.GTMultiMachines.CHARCOAL_PILE_IGNITER" is null```

yeah idk what happened now

@blazing swan so lemme get this straight, youre able to pull 0.9.x, do the changes above which include:

• Set registery to compileOnly
• Change ldlib's version to mc1.20.1-1.0.31-forge
• Set the config for allUniqueStoneTypes to true

And youre able to create worlds?

yeah nah i just cant

the game doesnt like me

i guess

also tried to nuke the runs folder

that didnt do it either

[blazing swan]

I forgot I did one more thing

Let me find the code to show you

so the Charcoal Pile was commented out because it was broken
the Definition of it moved from GTMachines.class to GTMultiMachines.class

so I uncommented it and changed the Mixin value

public abstract class GTMachinesMixin {

    /**
     * Исправляет странные требования для мультиблока (земля -> земля тфк, дуб -> дерево тфк)
     * */
   @Shadow
   public static final MultiblockMachineDefinition CHARCOAL_PILE_IGNITER = REGISTRATE
           .multiblock("charcoal_pile_igniter", CharcoalPileIgniterMachine::new)
           .rotationState(RotationState.NONE)
           .recipeType(DUMMY_RECIPES)
           .appearanceBlock(BRONZE_HULL)
           .pattern((def) -> FactoryBlockPattern.start()
                   .aisle("     ", " XXX ", " XXX ", " XXX ", "     ")
                   .aisle(" BBB ", "XCCCX", "XCCCX", "XCCCX", " DDD ")
                   .aisle(" BBB ", "XCCCX", "XCCCX", "XCCCX", " DSD ")
                   .aisle(" BBB ", "XCCCX", "XCCCX", "XCCCX", " DDD ")
                   .aisle("     ", " XXX ", " XXX ", " XXX ", "     ")
                   .where('S', controller(blocks(def.getBlock())))
                   .where('B', blocks(Blocks.BRICKS))
                   .where('X', blockTag(TFGTags.Blocks.GrassPlantableOn))
                   .where('D', blockTag(TFGTags.Blocks.GrassPlantableOn))
                   .where('C', blockTag(TFGTags.Blocks.Logs))
                   .build())
           .allowFlip(false)
           .allowExtendedFacing(false)
           .workableCasingRenderer(GTCEu.id("block/casings/solid/machine_casing_bronze_plated_bricks"),
                   GTCEu.id("block/multiblock/charcoal_pile_igniter"))
           .register();

}

I forgot that I fixed that

[exotic wraith]

bless you

i should've probably looked first at the class before giving up

ahh there we go

now it works

thanks

[blazing swan]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Core-Modern/pull/15

those are the fixes just need to be accepted now

[exotic wraith]

Aight

Firmaciv is now 1.0.9 and tfc is now 3.2.5

lets see if adding arborfirmacraft craps the bed

We are so back

its time for the cross compat to be real 😤

(i'll go insane before this endeavour is completed)

[blazing swan]

lol, so fixing those issues where can I find list of things to be done?

[exotic wraith]

I'm unsure, i know @prime sonnet is working on moving the stuff that can be done in KJS to be done there instead of the core mod

myself i'm working on getting ArborFirmaCraft wood to be used with ships from FirmaCiv

(as a grand goal to nuke the treetap mod)

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn have you toyed with beneath? i know apparently it adds the nether into the game right

i dont know exactly what it does but i know it adds the crimson wood types

[blazing swan]

Looking through, a lot of the recipes are not correct, those happen on the modpack side right?

[honest halo]

what do you mean by not correct?

[honest halo]

they are building their own custom beneath basically lol

if someone is looking for things to fix, the mechanical press does not behave properly when doing plate recepies on a belt

it lets unfinished items go through

[brave cairn]

yes lol but I'm redoing all the biomes to not look as nether-y

no fortresses, yes bastions, probably yes piglins, no ghasts, no crimson/warped wood (I'm gonna put those elsewhere), yes the beneath's mushrooms, yes soul soil (renamed), no soul sand or netherrack

and I'll also be adding my own mineshaft structures

[exotic wraith]

I see

Based

[exotic wraith]

Yes

Stuff like TFC saws being used instead of GT saws

That's handled by KJS

Recipes you can do them via KJS

The idea for the core mod now is to use it for stuff that cannot be done with KJS

Such as implementing new FirmaCiv boats

[blazing swan]

ok. i was also looking at a lot of issue with the way the ores are defined. it causes duplicates or conflicts.

sorry not ores

the recipes for ores to raw ores and stuff

forge hammer iirc

[brave cairn]

the poor/rich ores don't exist in gt iirc

[exotic wraith]

Tbh it's only an issue if it happens in the modpack and not fixed

Again, tfgcore is only for features that can't be done with KSJ

KJS*

[elder niche]

@brave cairn AHAHHAHA do u wanna MEGA ROFL

[brave cairn]

?

[elder niche]

We have a stuffy OPD (Fundamentals of Project Activity) subject at our university this semester, and somehow I chose the topic "Space Update development" as a project ahahahahaha

for tfg

ahahahah

Now it's possible to rivet recipes and all sorts of space improvements from time to time, but now officially as an educational process.
Well, I also brought 4 people with me, a couple of whom are even fumbling in coding.

[brave cairn]

🤔

I don't think that's a good idea

[elder niche]

@exotic wraith What is the progress of creating a quest line for space? I could do it maybe

[elder niche]

why

[brave cairn]

well, there's not much that could be done at the moment, especially by people who don't know anything about modding minecraft like your classmates

it could take a while and I don't know when your project is due

we shouldn't rush it just for your uni deadline

[elder niche]

yeah i know

We need to see what the requirements are. But I don't think any of the teachers will actually download the pack. I think the reports will be like word files with screenshots or something.

Anyway, I hope we can do something useful.

[exotic wraith]

just FTBQuests

i'm not that well versed in anything past early LV

since thats when i just started contributing instead of playing (lol)

but FTBQuests is pretty intuitive as it is

if anything i'd ask to keep the convention of language tokens

[elder niche]

same lol. Funny thing, when u contributing instead of actual playing ahaha.

[exotic wraith]

the primitive quests, the one that have actual language stuff is painfully written for localization

using the quest ids

[elder niche]

If I'm in the game via the developer panel from the quests menu, will I be able to upload them later?

[exotic wraith]

which are just a random string of Base16 (maybe base64 even) characters

[exotic wraith]

When you play as a developer any changes done will be saved in config/ftbquests/quests/

https://github.com/Nebby1999/TFG_Modern/blob/feat/main/primitive_quest_rework/config/ftbquests/quests/chapters/questsstoneage.snbt

[elder niche]

I just want to make a separate chapter of quests with rockets and planets, I think (With links to other chapters) (Something like a multiblock dilemma)

[elder niche]

its latest updatet qests?

[exotic wraith]

thats my primitive quest rework branch

file i linked is the actual new stoneage quests

The convention i'm doing for the localization tokens are

"quests.x.y.z"

x == Chapter Name
y == Goal
z == text (subtitle, desc, title, etc)

[elder niche]

rockets only after hv, so i dont think it will collide with ur quests

[elder niche]

okay. you want me to use the same system?

[exotic wraith]

ideally yes, same token naming convention

that way for whoever makes the localization it'll be easier (hopefully)

[elder niche]

Is there any way I can set this up right in the game, or will I need to do it manually in a file?

[exotic wraith]

the localization tokens?

you'd do that in the ftbquest itself

[elder niche]

in general, I'll try to figure it out. If anything, can I ask you for advice?

[elder niche]

in general, do you plan to make a pull request of this to the main branch later? How do the developers feel about this?
I'm just trying to figure out, if I decide to do space quests, should I do them based on your work and give you pull requests, or should I do them on stock quests?

[exotic wraith]

I'd say do PRs into my branch then we can PR it into the modpack's main

[exotic wraith]

now here's an interesting thing i just learnt

i dont know if youre able to use Beneath wood for canoes and ships from the getgo

but you can mark a specific type of wood as flammable

[brave cairn]

not tried it, but it's got all the other things like chests, looms, etc and those aren't flammable

[exotic wraith]

neat

i doubt you can since FirmaCiv is quite hardcoded pre 1.21

and i dont think this modpack will make that jump

i could add support for Beneath wood to make flame resistent ships

[brave cairn]

making a lavaproof canoe sounds pretty fun though lol

I did want to move the warped/crimson wood elsewhere though 🤔

[exotic wraith]

definetly

[uneven reef]

That's the plan, somewhat, depends on how things go, of course

[brave cairn]

long term

[exotic wraith]

oop

mfw theres a chance my code will become useless in the future

oh well

i love deprecation

[exotic wraith]

oh boy

this is NOT going to work

first try at least

i dont like how the entirety of the compat is made here

altho honestly i dont even know if part of it could be made in KJS due to the way how FirmaCiv works in 1.20

i'm very close, i might be missing something very important

but i can almost taste the tualang canoe...

https://tenor.com/view/turtz-franklinturtz-franklin-the-turtle-patrick-spongebob-gif-25312548

[brave cairn]

I'm flying back tomorrow so I'll be able to bang out more of the nether soon

and hopefully actually start doing java lol

[exotic wraith]

Chat

We may be back

[exotic wraith]

we're so fucking back chat

WE DEPRECATING THE TREETAP MOD WITH THIS ONE 🗣️ 🔊 🔥

@brave cairn BEHOLD, B o a t

i'm so fucking happy to see a hunk of wood

lol

btw pyritie i'm gonna add beneath boats too

Crimson for canoe, Warped for Rowboat/sloop

I dont think Exception is going to approve this but i'm going to add the entirety of the AFCxFirmaCiv compat in the core mod

you cant really just, go and add new stuff using pure data

since they'll just, not succeed

likely the ONLY thing i'll put in KJS will be the language tokens

for the sake of contribution

and the textures

textures in case someone doesnt like my recolors

language for contribution

data stuff will be behind the mod itself

[exotic wraith]

This may not look like it, but i'm adding support for beneath as well now

you'll be able to create fire impervious canoes with Crimson and fire impervious rowboats/sloops with warped

[brave cairn]

yoooo awesome

why not both with both?

I guess I'm adding at least one of the woods to the nether then lol

[elder niche]

Wait... But don't you make a canoe with burning out the inside of it?... Then... how?

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[brave cairn]

minecraft physics, don't worry about it

[elder niche]

Perhaps the outer surface will have the texture of the bark of a tree, and the inner surface will have texture of a core? Then it will even have some logic.

[exotic wraith]

Ok so worth mentioning

According to the devs

While the interfaces for canoes and boats do have a method to check if it withstands lava

There's a non 0 chance that the method does jack shit

[exotic wraith]

Idk, canoe requires soft wood and rowboat require hard wood. So what kind of wood is warped/crimson :v

[brave cairn]

ah I didn't know enough about boats to know they wanted different wood types lol

(secretly crossing my fingers that the lava boats don't work so I can keep justifying putting those woods elsewhere)

[exotic wraith]

Something I'm wondering now is how hard it'd be to turn other mod's woods into registry wood

(registry wood is the interface that represents a wood type in TFC)

Unless we don't plan on having Ad Astra Wood accessible (glacio has trees)

[brave cairn]

🤔 no clue, but having more space woods would be nice - I didn't know about the registry so my idea was to just create my own lumber item and then do all the recipes myself lol

[exotic wraith]

Tbh the issue there is that I have NO clue how comfortable exception would be with the idea of adding new, handmade space woods

Since yknow

Using the RegistryWood interface does imply adding them using java

And not kjs

[brave cairn]

I mean if something is cleaner and easier to maintain using java then imo do it in java

iirc most of the things he wanted to move out of tfg was a ton of recipes and gt material registration and tfg custom items like the molds and stuff

[exotic wraith]

I see

I'll look into how the RegistryWood system works once I finish the FirmaCivCompat implementation

[brave cairn]

ya no rush

[exotic wraith]

Aight, time to check if setting withstandsLava to true does something

Ok so

@brave cairn Withstands lava does jack shit on canoes

[brave cairn]

well at least now we know lol

[exotic wraith]

yea, nothing uses it, lol

rip i guess

[brave cairn]

I'm guessing that's the method used for like, netherite tools?

so if you had the canoe in item form, it wouldn't burn in lava

just speculating

[exotic wraith]

maybe...? idk

even then

canoe items dont exist

only one that exists is the kayak

[brave cairn]

hmm 🤔 beneath adds red elk which are basically some kinda lava deer

[exotic wraith]

oh deer

[brave cairn]

would it be possible to make a lavaproof kayak, and have its hide be used for that? if you're able to figure out how to make an entity lavaproof

[exotic wraith]

hm

maybe...? i doubt it

[brave cairn]

brb flying

[exotic wraith]

i dont really know where the code for "if touch lava fucking die" exists

safe travels!

i doubt its possible

to not go insane i updated firmaciv to latest

which now has Aleki's NiftyShips as a depdency

that itself is what controls the watercraft movement and such

[brave cairn]

back, interesting, ok

what else does nifty ships do?

[exotic wraith]

Unsure, from what i see its what actually has all the stuff regarding movement and boat logic

i just spoke with Aleki and as it turns out lava functionality hasnt been implemented yet

which is why its not supported

i decided to also make the stuff i've been working on into a separate mod

Since aleki was impressed on my effort and asked me if i planned on doing so

[blazing swan]

I belivie the logic is touch lava block, catch on fire, so you can probably intercept some event to canel it

so the logic for lava is the same for jumping into open flame

[brave cairn]

that's cool!

[exotic wraith]

nah, lava interaction is not implemented period

i already found that bit, just a matter of making them immune to fire

that just made the canoe sink into the lava and nothing else

[blazing swan]

I mean, that's the logic for Minecraft in general

[blazing swan]

trying to get the 0.9.x version of the mod I have the source of to compile and run in the modpack, but it seems to have a lot of duplicate stuff between KJS and the Mod causes duplicate entries and causing crashes, what steps have other people done to fix this?

[prime sonnet]

perhaps exception just never finished removing whatever relevant areas from the mod? since Nebby seems to have a functional instance up and running i would ping them

[blazing swan]

@exotic wraith are you running 0.9.x mod in 0.9.x modpack?

[blazing swan]

I can't get it going with fresh jar from IDE

[blazing swan]

if that is the case I will do that

[prime sonnet]

if the crashes are frequent, he likely either forgot to push some changes to the mod that removed relevant portions, ran out of time to work on the mod, or ran out of time to fully robustly test out the changes

in any case, anything that you can verify was fully ported over from tfg-core to KJS is up for removal from the mod, that's one of exception's main goals with 0.9 as i understand

so making those removals yourself would be good

[blazing swan]

cool I will look into it, anyway that I can run the KJS stuff in the IDE? so I can test the changes and such to make sure what I am removing is the correct stuff

[prime sonnet]

wdym run the kjs stuff in ide?

[blazing swan]

right now I have to compile the mod into a jar, then through it into a prism instance, and see if it launches

then read the logs,
fix the issues,
recompile
and then load it again in prism launcher again

[worthy tusk]

oh hey i found out kaolinite actually has a chemical composition! Al2Si2O5(OH)4

it might be worth adding some electrolyzer recipe or some such for when you're getting out of the primitive era and maybe have extra laying around

[blazing swan]

so I got it running, going to do a pull request tommorow for the fixes, is the quests supposed to be very incomplete/missing textures and such? I know someone was talking about rewriting the quests, they also have just localisation tokens. I see nebby has a rework branch but, just wondering if the quests are meant to be stripped back or is there something going on

[exotic wraith]

I'm only running the 0.9.x mod

Not the modpack itself

[exotic wraith]

My quest branch is based off the Main branch of the modpack

Since we weren't able to get the 0.9.x version working before

[blazing swan]

so I will do pull request and if you want to port what you have into the later versions you can use that pull request.

[exotic wraith]

Ya

[blazing swan]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Core-Modern/pull/17
made it, only issue is that the other pull request is prereq to make it work, as it fixes other crashes, had to seperate the commits to not double commit the same commits

[brave cairn]

pog

[wet forum]

can we have more info on that ? when i try to run without material registration, i crash with the following Bad material in ore generation for: gabbro
its mandatory to run with the kubejs scripts then ?
Also, why remove the duration and EUt of the forge hammer recipe in tfg$processOreForgeHammer:78

[exotic wraith]

Moving my contributions of TFGCore into its own mod now

FirmaCiv+ begins with just support for ArborFirmaCraft and Beneath

[blazing swan]

the EUt and duration is already set outside of the mixin,
I think I didn't test it running in the IDE, I will look into the issue and see what can be done, but yes I think the Idea is that we move what we can do, to KubeJS

[wet forum]

Alright, ty for your answer ! Do you have any idea of what is left to port to kjs ?

[blazing swan]

I think ore generation is one that hasn't, still trying to wrap my head what is being defined, so I can figure out what should be in KubeJS vs Mod and what needs to be moved where

[brave cairn]

ore generation is already 100% kjs

[blazing swan]

is processOreForgeHammer recipe then?

[wet forum]

yes, its a replacement of gt recipe builder for ores

[blazing swan]

ok I think that needs to be in KubeJS then, because the Mixin also defines recipe input, which gets defined twice and causes issues as well, I thought I fixed that with the changes to the mixin but I think it is more complex then that

[wet forum]

ill check those dups errors twomorrow, never took a look at those and im not sure whats thats about

is this placeable ash Pyritie ?

[brave cairn]

kind of?

I can place it with /setblock but idk how to make normal wood ash be placeable like this lol

I was just gonna use it for decoration in da beneath

[wet forum]

i dont know how to do that but i guess its a reuse of vanilla's snow layers or smth

blends nicely in any case

[brave cairn]

the hitboxes are also a bit jank but idc at this point lol it's just some deco

you can break it for wood ash and that's all that matters

[blazing swan]

how is the charcoal pile logic doing that? because that and the sheet piles to something similar, that might be a good place to look?

[brave cairn]

idk, something in code probably

haven't gotten to java yet, just wanna finish up these biomes first

[brave cairn]

oops

[brave cairn]

there we go, I think that looks nice and ashy

need one more spicy biome now

[wet forum]

thats very cool, nicely done !

[brave cairn]

don't really have any good ideas for the last one, only thing I can think of is something with even more blackstone with some obsidian mixed in maybe

[brave cairn]

hm I think I can do some lava rivers with the noise gen... lemme cook

[exotic wraith]

woag custom trees

neat

i still need to check how easy it is to add new TFC wood sets

RegistryWood my behated

[spiral lintel]

Has the method to enter the nether been decided yet?

if not I'd love to see if it can involve the volcano biome

[brave cairn]

yeah, you stand on bedrock for a few secs then you're teleported

[brave cairn]

these are just using the vanilla cherry tree builder, with a custom block that has charcoal pile + blackwood log textures

it's not really a "wood type"

[exotic wraith]

would you still enjoy having custom wood types?

[brave cairn]

sure, being able to integrate woods from other mods easily would be cool

[exotic wraith]

aighty

[brave cairn]

that looks sufficiently spicy. I want something that looks like a huge pain in the ass to navigate but less so than basalt deltas

and water buckets still work down here too, so, yknow

[exotic wraith]

infinite obsidian

[brave cairn]

I'm gonna make some pics to show off on reddit

[gloomy elm]

that's really cool

[brave cairn]

finally got the biome stacking feeling right

anyway I think that's about it with biomes, finally

ores are done too

gonna see if I can use that entity zoning supervisor mod to put some more tfc wildlife down here, then after that I think all that's left are fixing up the bastions, adding some mineshaft structures, then doing all the misc stuff like beneath recipes, loot tables, beneath field guide updates, etc

[exotic wraith]

I'm learning how to datagen in java

Neat stuff

[brave cairn]

oooh

also here's an idea if someone's looking for something to do: a cold water "potion" that lowers your current body temp - will need java code because ambiental isn't accessible through kjs

or maybe just a fluid you put in your flask or something

I'm making the bottom of the nether be very ore rich but also dangerous, with the ambient heat being a significant factor (like 60-80c), so that could be useful to have

[exotic wraith]

Potion making my beloved

Too bad it's not realistic

Sad!

[wet forum]

What about porting some potions effects into foods ?

[spiral lintel]

we already have alcohol

and someone is adding pills with effects as well

[spiral lintel]

this is giving journey to the centre of the earth 🔥

[gloomy elm]

If a pill can do that it would be great

But isn’t the pills made with kube ?

[spiral lintel]

i think so

[brave cairn]

potion effects are different than "tell this other mod to do this thing"

like I'm just saying to cool you off, not make a fire res pot

[exotic wraith]

yeah the pill things are made in kube

but yeah there isnt a way to do it without java

i think it'd be possible

TFG already has some ambiental code in it

[worthy tusk]

heck a high tech cooling suit would be cool esp for places like venus

[gloomy elm]

Adding thermal resistance to the GT suits would be nice

[brave cairn]

yeah, last I checked anything ambiental has to be done in code

[exotic wraith]

they dont do that already?

i think i can code that into tfg-core

cant be that hard

[brave cairn]

would be cool if you could do it for the diving suits too, I was thinking of making the netherite one craftable (and renaming it)

[blazing swan]

I think it would have to be on GT side if they did, I looked through the code for ambiental and couldn't see anything that would suggest it would make other mods armor implement the thermal stuff. they do provide the capability to implement it via inter mod communication

[exotic wraith]

nothing a mixin cant fix

even if mixins are scary

[brave cairn]

it's just reflection

[wet forum]

Im glad to announce the solving of food issues o7

[brave cairn]

that first one looks like it came out rotten?

[wet forum]

yes, thats because the dought has less life duration than the flour itself (something like decay modifier i think)

ive got a hand on how to manipulate the recipes at runtime and the whole capabilites system i think, we can totally change the behavior to something else

[brave cairn]

I think the way tfc does it is proportional? so a flour with half lifespan will convert to a dough with half lifespan? might be wrong

but this is a great start!

[cosmic veldt]

how'd you manage that

[wet forum]

by doing math i guess

[exotic wraith]

oh

ok yeah that isnt hard

if its like C# reflection then it'll be prolly ez

[brave cairn]

I imagine they're discouraged because of how easily they can break stuff, but since you're familiar with programming then it shouldn't be a problem

[exotic wraith]

yeah, i use reflection on an almost daily basis

(in RoR2 its very common to initialize your mod's content using reflection to get all types that inherit from a specific base class, lol)

so yeah, at least when it comes to reflection in C# i know what to do

[gloomy elm]

That’s an amazing fix

[brave cairn]

yum

[brave cairn]

fuckin around with bastion loot tables

gonna put damascus steel in the treasure one

[wet forum]

Tyvm

[spiral lintel]

oh loot, we can finally have a place for the zpm item

[brave cairn]

I would NOT trust the piglins with that

[wet forum]

Lets be honest, its not about the code injection or the undocumented ways about it, its the code itself, undocumented, maybe written by a thirteen year old. Took me a month of code reading/tinkering to be able to write a single function and i now hate some gt choices of all my heart.
You should try it before formulating opinions

[brave cairn]

they can have a little pig iron though. As a treat

[brave cairn]

the code in gtceu is that bad?

[wet forum]

lol, you have no idea

[brave cairn]

💀

[wet forum]

tbh, ill blame forge before them

you cant do a great job when your framework is undocumented. I probably would have end up making the same choices

[brave cairn]

christ lol

we thank you for your sacrifice

[wet forum]

dont worry, its very fine, knowledge is never lost

now, i know what to not do for my own work

[brave cairn]

man I am not looking forward to this whole interplanetary logistics thing that's gonna have to be done at some point

[wet forum]

idk what could be a bother but ill surely put everything in so we can have Pyritie's Space Edition

first time i see a pretty moon, i wont let it go away

[brave cairn]

I mentioned the rough outline to someone in the tfc discord yesterday who had made a few mods and they said it didn't sound too difficult

I would love if it could be a greg multiblock (so we can do all the hatches and whatever that comes with it) but if that's not possible then a "normal" FE machine will be fine too

[wet forum]

Depends on what is behind this mutiblock idea but "everything" is doable, that's for sure

[gloomy elm]

I wonder if going towards Neoforge will let them have a better code for 1.21

Apparently for now they forgot about it

[brave cairn]

have I explained what I need to you before? I've explained it a couple times but I can't remember to who

I'm forgetful sorry lol

[exotic wraith]

he forgor

[elder niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGVkC8ZVHHw

damn

I thought it was just an addon, but it's just a create...

[blazing swan]

do we want to use the new version? now that it is out

[brave cairn]

only if this is on 1.20.1 of course

[iron python]

Seems like it is

[brave cairn]

but this looks sick as hell

obviously it's no ae2 replacement, but

[spiral lintel]

incredible news for factory build guys

WAIT LOGISTICS???

omg

[brave cairn]

create really said "we have ae2 at home"

[spiral lintel]

if our create version is updated i will no reason to rush ae2 anymore 👀

i can live in lower tiers for a little while more

[brave cairn]

yeah this'll be a huge help

[elder niche]

if we dont change recipies (we will) 😈😈😈

[spiral lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-troll-face-troll-face-phonk-troll-face-terror-dark-gif-3039755119636354997

[exotic wraith]

this looks fuycking wild honestly

i'd be down to work on the KJS side to add it to TFG

it'd be a HUGE QOL

because DAMN

inventory management pre AE2 is PAIN

[wet forum]

i advocate for a stable release with 0.5 before throwing more entropy at the pack but i have to agree, that update is huge

[brave cairn]

me too

someone in #💬│modern-chat-en also said that apparently it needs an updated version of embeddium which breaks some other mods (like shimmer)

and given how big create is, it'll probably push a bunch of other mods to update

so giving other mods time to update themselves and stabilise will be good

[blazing swan]

but if getting stable with 0.5, then requires a huge amount of work to get going with 0.6, would it not be better just to move to 0.6 sooner rather than later?

[brave cairn]

I don't think updating create will be difficult, it's more just that we shouldn't get too distracted when gregtech is what needs our attention

(I say after spending weeks working on the nether instead )

[severe matrix]

cant we disable the storage like how we did for firmalife

the package idea is very good for compact storage

[brave cairn]

why would you want to disable it? that's not the problem

[severe matrix]

....to avoid staying with create storage

[brave cairn]

???

[severe matrix]

if updated is wanted then the create storage is a lot of content

[brave cairn]

it's just a bunch of crafting recipes, that's easy

[severe matrix]

you know how the create storage works , will it be a lot of problem with all the tfc tags ?

[brave cairn]

I don't think so

but I have no clue how it works

[severe matrix]

... more looking at the code i gues

[brave cairn]

I know everyone's excited for it but it literally just came out

give it some time to be stable

[gloomy elm]

Let’s be honest everyone is excited with early Gregtech and this new storage system from Create

It has a good symbiosis

But it’s not necessary right now for any progression

Updating GT is definitely the priority

[severe matrix]

you sure is not fixing bug

[exotic wraith]

tbh once i finish my FirmaCiv+ addon and get it inside TFG i plan to add the Create update alongside my primitive quest rework

and rework the create chapter to include the storage stuff

like, honest to god inventory management has NO reason to be so damn painful until you get HV

[brave cairn]

it's not that bad if you just build a wall of filtered crates

[elder niche]

why

is it okay?

man....

something is definitely wrong

oh hello there

[brave cairn]

wtf did you do

[elder niche]

i think it bcs of old chucks

HMMMM

lmao

[brave cairn]

yeah mars is still using vanilla biomes which means structures, it's barely started

[elder niche]

its kinda funny

oil are also here

[brave cairn]

yeah I know

[elder niche]

but im here for doing space quests

[brave cairn]

well you're a bit early lol

if nebbys gonna be busy with other stuff, maybe you could look at the prim age quests instead?

[elder niche]

I'll start the build now, and see what's been reworked in the quests.

[elder niche]

fuck

[brave cairn]

I'd make the launch pad part of the required-for-moon section

[elder niche]

im in process

[brave cairn]

otherwise... you don't need to put literally everything in the quests lol

(also, the advanced suit is for venus/merc, not mars)

[elder niche]

oh true

from player perspective

@exotic wraith I am not a proponent of vertical progression. Can I make it horizontal?

[brave cairn]

only if you don't add so much bloat

you're recreating the exact same problem that the current quests have -- there's too much stuff

quests should be for two things: goals, and information

tell the player they need different anvils? good
tell the player every single step of a crafting recipe? bad, that's what jei is for

tell the player the photography mod exists? or that you can make a vehicle for space? good
tell the player about a bajillion different blocks to make a copper anvil? bad

quests should also work in tandem with the field guide - the quest should tell the player "this is your next goal" while the field guide explains how to get to that goal

[gusty schooner]

Updating will fix a lot of bugs. The current gtceu (1.2.3) is riddled with them

[wet forum]

If anyone want to try out the food fix, i only tested flour -> dough in the mixer and getting wheat from seeds in the greenhouse
From what i have understood, some create's recipes are lacking the food capability too right ?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NM6eev0CjyWzIz0qsEnm_n-qNADFejK7/view?usp=sharing

[exotic wraith]

I'd rather modify them myself

Theyr positions n such

[exotic wraith]

alongside how it works

like, as pyritie says i think the way how i've handled stuff was enough

like

i personally think my current primitive rework is a relatively good combination of "Introduction to a harsh world", "TFC Getting Started" and "Reach metalworking capabilities"

without adding EVERY single step

and for completionists they have those silly optional quests where you get one of EVERYTHING

but thats it, theyre optional

and hidden as well until you can even start to get them

from a single MASSIVE, clay knapping tree to just

"These ones are MANDATORY for progression, but here, have a quest if you want to make all of them"

like, ATM there is a lot of TFC that isnt immediatly obvious on the current rework

which is why i plan on having a separate quest line thats just TFC Tips & Tricks

such as a sub-line that tells you how to completely preserve your food

using stuff like brining, drying, etc

or how bees work

or FirmaCiv boats

[elder niche]

yea that thing is absurd

[elder niche]

@brave cairn do I understand correctly that now pull requests should be added in 0.9? or what

@zealous atlas тот же вопрос. Ничего не понимаю в этих ветках уже

[brave cairn]

my bad for confusing the create and tfc mechanisms

otherwise uhhh I don't know, but I think so?

everything will have to be merged into 0.9 at some point I guess

[elder niche]

I hope the fate of the 0.8 branch does not await it....

too confusing

[brave cairn]

nothing else is being accepted into 0.7.19 atm

[elder niche]

btw my pull requests with many fixes:

functional storage btw:

[wet forum]

i wish we at least got functional storage, that would be a relief for my storage illness

[wet forum]

i cant even PR the food stuff fix as there is no more tfg-core 0.5 branch

[brave cairn]

0.5?

[wet forum]

Yeah, I though of publishing the fix for both tfg-core 0.5 and 0.6 since we are stuck on that version for now

[brave cairn]

I get the impression there's not gonna be any more releases until tfg 0.9, which uses core 0.6 🤔

[wet forum]

I hoped too much I guess

[exotic wraith]

FirmaCiv+ is getting close to completion now

i'm actually pretty proud on how its shaping up

Roofing, sloops, rowboats, canoes

Later when i'm working on the TFG-Modpack implementation of it i'll have to look if Aristocarts supports AFC/Beneath

and if not

well

Back to JAVA i go
https://tenor.com/view/jump-cave-gif-8366204392601184116

Nothing an Aristocarts+ cant fix

[brave cairn]

anything else I should do once I'm done with the beneath? I could look at the ambiental clothing additions just to get my feet wet in java land

otherwise I'd like to at least contribute something to 0.9 progress - I feel like we're kinda lost at the moment?

[exotic wraith]

adding that would be nice

currently i'm just stuck in recipe builder hell

[exotic wraith]

i'm unsure what that would entail sadly

[blazing swan]

I think Main right now is 0.5, so you would pull request into there?

[brave cairn]

not much of a point if nothing's being accepted into tfg 0.7.x any more

[elder niche]

btw, where is the guy who wanted to update the greg tech in pack, and asked to open the code for this?

[brave cairn]

lol I know, but it'd be nice if we had a bit of direction

I didn't know tfg-core mostly worked and the java to js transition was what the problem was

[wet forum]

I coded from the 0.5.9 tag, it's way behind main

[wet forum]

How about you fork both repos, we freeze a modlist and PR into it ? Not meant for a release but we can at least move forward.
I don't think Exception will give us any direction unless we wait until he's free

[brave cairn]

just for a way to people to contribute without waiting for exception to get around to approving PRs?

[wet forum]

Yeah, something like that. I'm unsure about how git handle it but we might be able to directly merge PR from the big list too

[brave cairn]

sure, I can organise that, gimme a few hours until it's lunch break here

not sure about the PR thing but we can figure that out later lol

[wet forum]

Yeah, there's no rush, I think the modlist is the most important thing

[brave cairn]

it'd be nice to actually work on beneath stuff in a 0.9 fork instead of a 0.7.19 one

[wet forum]

Hum, I didn't look very much at 0.9 since Exception decided to throw away my 0.8.2 for that, I was looking at it yesterday trying to understand it but for me, it's mostly a redo of 0.8

[brave cairn]

I'm not very familiar with either but that's also the impression I get, yeah

0.8 core + 0.7.18 ore veins and other kube stuff merged, with fewer of the 0.8 mods

I remember seeing that 0.8 had more of a general kube refactor/cleanup? not checked if that's in 0.9

[brave cairn]

what did you do for 0.8.2 again? I forgor

[wet forum]

Just merge all 0.7.14-19 into 0.8.1 (guidebook and such) while removing funky worldgen

[brave cairn]

ah

right yeah I remember now

[wet forum]

But then, you raised the issue of having rftools and such and we went for another round

That why I think we need to freeze a modlist anyway before starting to work

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern/tree/0.9
https://github.com/Pyritie/Core-Modern/tree/0.9

where's the mod list?

[wet forum]

wdym ? for now, we used the pakku util to fetch the mods but i think its broken for the 0.9 branch

[brave cairn]

oh lol

you said we should freeze a modlist so I'd like to know where that is so I can look through it 🤔

[wet forum]

yes, i will explain

[brave cairn]

I did add a couple mods for beneath stuff, and nebby's working on their own separate mods for afc compat

[wet forum]

what i have in mind is putting together a .zip which contains all mods for the next version since we cant update the pakku ref

it can be the one you are using for the beneath and space or smth else

i think it should contains a newer version of gt but i think i read some commits about removing create's compatibility from the mod itself

https://github.com/GregTechCEu/GregTech-Modern/pull/2546

[brave cairn]

oh, good find, I'll review that

[brave cairn]

both of those are just forks of 0.7.19 atm

but yeah a zip could work, or just a txt listing all the changes for people who want to contribute

ah balls they got rid of all the kinetic machines

that's uhhh very much not good lol

[wet forum]

yep, thats what i though too

but whatever, lets position ourself before that

its still way better than what we currently have

[brave cairn]

worst case we can fall back to the SU/FE converters from create additions

[wet forum]

no worries, we can still copy-paste the integration into tfg-core anyway

[brave cairn]

yeah or see what other greg/create packs like skyfactory did

[brave cairn]

did someone already do a PR to get tfg-core building? or what was the issue with it

[wet forum]

There is 2-3 PR laying around in the repos to get it to work

[brave cairn]

ah k

I'm busy this week but I'll have more free time coming up soon

[wet forum]

alright, no worries, ill work on getting a decent modlist

[blazing swan]

it has been fixed by xikaro

[brave cairn]

oh damn fr

[exotic wraith]

pog

[brave cairn]

lol I'm adding stuff during lunch breaks without even having mc installed. Here's some loose deepslate that only took me 1 load failure to fix at home

[blazing swan]

yep pull requests into 0.9 branch that fixes the launching issues

[wet forum]

so i tried pakku fetch from 0.9, not working, it failed on tfg-core 0.6
if you put it manually into the mods folder, you have mixins errors because mods version mismatch between core and pack

this is the modlist from the pakku install, from what ive noticed
no storage drawers, no rftools, no ad astra
gt is 1.6.3 so create integration is gone (to check)
https://pastebin.com/GE14bee3

this is the mods version diff between core and pack
https://pastebin.com/xJMnj369

i will look into updating the core dependencies but i cant do much for the pakku thing

[brave cairn]

dang that's quite the difference 🤔

[blazing swan]

did you recompile the mod from my pull requests?

I think the pakku fetch should work? try remove tfg-core 0.6 from the modlist and add it manually,
and do a pakku fetch again.
I got 0.9 working, and the mod lists were not that difference

[wet forum]

Ok, i reading at it, i get what you done

all materials are defined in the pack then ?

[blazing swan]

yep

[brave cairn]

today I learned that the nether biome stacking is only possible because of a quirk of one of the mods we have that adds the Depth parameter to every biome instead of just the overworld

I have no idea which (I'm guessing it's probably tfc?) but I tried to recreate it in vanilla but Depth is 0 everywhere in the nether

[blazing swan]

does TFC add the geology based terrain gen? because that would makek sense

[brave cairn]

yes, and tfc is the only mod I think we have that would alter that sort of thing

[brave cairn]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/ct

looks like this adds the kinetic stuff back

[wet forum]

oh good find, i was looking for that yesterday

[brave cairn]

looking for feedback on the trade loot table

[gloomy elm]

when do we go to Beneath?

[brave cairn]

balanced around mid-late tfc

theoretically you can go as soon as you make a stone hammer, then dig to bedrock

[gloomy elm]

well it sounds good there is nothing crazy but there is some nice stuffs

[brave cairn]

but ideally this is an alternative for kaolin/graphite so you'd go around iron age

[gloomy elm]

though maybe to make it even more valuable what about not having kaolin clay but directly firebrick?

[brave cairn]

nah, you still gotta work for it :p

[gloomy elm]

ahah that's too bad :p

[brave cairn]

there's kaolinite powder in bastion chests though

I think? I can't remember

https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern/tree/beneath/kubejs/data/minecraft/loot_tables/chests here's the bastion full loot tables

I'm gonna change the enchanted black bronze tools to just the forging bonuses

[wet forum]

i skimmed through it, i like it but maybe shuffle it a bit so they overlap, its very rude for people with bad rng rn

[wet forum]

Hello folks, i tried to pickup the work on 0.9 branch. You can find my work in Pyritie's fork of both core and modpack. As i progress through it, the more stuff gets added back and im worring to forget stuff on the way.
If you happen to have a bit a free time and know how the pack should behave, im gladly taking some help to get everything sorted. Mods that tfg-core heavily rely upon are the most likely to break something.

You can find my latest build of tfg-core here and the migration branch here

[brave cairn]

oh, are there PRs I should approve? or what do you mean by my forks, I haven't edited them at all

oh I see your drafts now

I made you and nebby contributors to my forks

I'm very up for smaller + more frequent commits etc! I'm here all the time

[exotic wraith]

Ohh

I'll have to look at that once I finish work

I plan on releasing FirmaCiv+ this weekend

[brave cairn]

my beneath stuff is shaping up to be done soon too, I've just gotta fix bastion palette swaps and finish some recipes

but I can pause that to help out with this, I've not done anything with java yet so I'll have to set up a workspace and everything first

[exotic wraith]

very nice

i'm unsure if AFC supports astikorcarts from the get go

i hope so

i dont wanna do another cross-compat mod

[exotic wraith]

How to add new wooden stuff to FirmaCivPlus
Step 1: Create a java enum that implements WatercraftMaterial
Step 2: Populate said enum with your external TFC addon's RegistryWood types
Step 4: Add your new watercraftMaterials to the super using it's addWatercraftMaterials method
Step 3: Run datagen
Step 4: Profit

legit that easy

i feel smort

now

time to see what happens if AFC is not in the game, but beneath is

ideally it should still boot up

it still boots up

we're back

[brave cairn]

[exotic wraith]

all thats left is making the entity textures and firmaciv+ is ready

[brave cairn]

fantastic work learning all this

[exotic wraith]

its certainly been a wild ride

cant forget when i learned virtuality and overridable things in java is opt out rather than opt in

Traister has been INSANELY helpful as well

[brave cairn]

yeah I've been following along with your conversations

I also completely forgot that virtual was opt-out in java instead of opt-in

[exotic wraith]

i miss C#

[brave cairn]

me too, I'm doing too much c++ and c++/cli at work again

[exotic wraith]

Crimson, Tualang, Cypress and Fig

canoes done

via the power of recoloring

[wet forum]

Well done !

[brave cairn]

very pretty

I want that fruityass fig boat

[exotic wraith]

Warped, Baobab, Eucalyptus, Mahogany, Hevea, Ironwood, Teak and Ipe rowboats

time for the big boy sloops

[brave cairn]

you make me want to build a little dock near my base just for these even though I'll never use them

[exotic wraith]

good.

Warped, Baobab, Eucalyptus, Mahogany, Hevea, Ironwood, Teak and Ipe Under Construction Sloops. Not the finished ones, those come now

[brave cairn]

it's normal that mahogany and crimson look really similar, right

[exotic wraith]

they're very similar, mahogany on top, crimson on the bottom

one of the things the creator of AFC wanted was access to some of the old wood textures that got changed on TFC

[brave cairn]

yeah makes sense, the baobab and ecualyptus look similar to acacia and birch too

and teak to jungle

[exotic wraith]

its ESPECIALLY noticeable with Teak, Eucalyptus and Baobab, which literally just use the vanilla jungle, birch and acacia color

ya

[brave cairn]

LOL I GUESSED

man I play this game too much

I can already identify all the tfc rock types purely by texture

like I know that platform is gneiss

[exotic wraith]

TFC brainrot

[brave cairn]

absolutely kaolinpilled

this is what spending months with worldgen does to a mfer

[exotic wraith]

True and real to be honest

Kinda wild how once I recolor the finished sloops my first Minecraft mod will be ready for release

[brave cairn]

and it was what, a couple weeks ago when you walked in clueless to how java even worked?

[exotic wraith]

Yeah

I've learnt java against my will

Since my will to kill the treetap mod was far greater

I still would never touch java outside of a Minecraft context, lmao

[brave cairn]

lmao same

[exotic wraith]

ahhh

look at all those sea faring beauts

[brave cairn]

ahh so pretty

[exotic wraith]

And icon finished

i was really thinkin on just using the same icon and haphazardly paste a + on one of the corners

but i went with using the navclock instead of the sextant and a different background color scheme

[brave cairn]

alright, now time to add the ad astra woods (joke)

[exotic wraith]

dont tempt me now

how many are those anyways

[brave cairn]

I think just two

a pink glacio wood, and then a light cream colored mushroom wood

but also like, you're not gonna encounter those while you're still making boats, so uh

[exotic wraith]

true

so

mod kinda works

altho the ships are fucking wonky

they just sink

and i'm unsure as to why

i think it was just a skill issue