🚀EN - 1.20 Modpack Contribution Megathread

[brave cairn]

indicators fall into one of 3 categories: the tfc ones, which are all tfc:ore/small_X, greg's, which are gtceu:X_indicator, and the buds I added, which are all (tfg|ae2|minecraft):(buds/)?(small|medium|large)_X_bud

[exotic wraith]

speak of the devil

[brave cairn]

yeah I made realgar way too common by accident lol

[exotic wraith]

lol

i'm still unsure if it'd be worth it to include it in the vein index

[brave cairn]

but yeah tbh everything has an indicator now that it can probably just be skipped

[exotic wraith]

peak

i'll just add it as a footnote on the first vein index of each page

[brave cairn]

don't think that's needed, one of the first pages in the tfc getting started section tells you about indicators

[exotic wraith]

aight peak

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn is it me or did mineral data had a "tips" section?

i cant find them in the jsons anymore

unless you removed it

[brave cairn]

only one had a tips section and it was just telling you how to find realgar, lol

[exotic wraith]

lol

wasnt there one with bismuth?

[brave cairn]

no 🤔

[exotic wraith]

gimmie a bit

i swear i saw it

well

not in the mineral data

but in the book itself before i set to write the tool itself

[brave cairn]

oh those lines

[brave cairn]

uhhh there were a few but they were never in the mineral data

you can add them if you want tho

anyway my structures are done and committed and it's 4am

[exotic wraith]

yeah its late over here

[brave cairn]

🛏️🚶‍♂️

[exotic wraith]

i wont do the tips, i cba

this is already painful enough lmao

and i still need to serialize the damn multiblocks from C# into json

[brave cairn]

should be easy, they're all the same just with one word changed

[exotic wraith]

aye

imma gonna send a gif rq

[brave cairn]

now that structures are done it's just a few small final things and then the moon is ready for playtesting

I'm excited to get to mars

[exotic wraith]

https://i.gyazo.com/770f0986df72998c7711f8309a96b435.gif

assuming i dont get sidetracked i should get the code finished by tomorrow

and then documentated/commented to PR it to your branch

[brave cairn]

this needs an actual index at the front so you don't have to click hundreds of tims, but looking good!

[exotic wraith]

i thought the index would be in the ore index itself?

[brave cairn]

there should be two ways to look up information: one by ore (which you have) and one by vein

[exotic wraith]

https://i.gyazo.com/245792f2e731f6cab57c97e794517d5a.gif

oh well

something for tomorrow i guess

[brave cairn]

you got this!

I hope I'm able to get sand piles working like in this pic https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/808/10/4.jpg

they look really nice

[worthy tusk]

fancy

[exotic wraith]

Not to toot my own horn but making that custom string builder for patchouli formatting was a good idea

Otherwise I would've gone insane

[brave cairn]

gotta see if this one sandstorm mod will work too

can't have mars without sandstorms

[exotic wraith]

Song name?

[brave cairn]

zombie nation

[exotic wraith]

[coral vault]

chemically accurate film development

[coral vault]

anyone know why this recipe isnt being removed?

event.remove({id: 'jei:/exposure/sequenced_black_and_white_film_developing'});

[worthy tusk]

i have issues using the curly braces sometimes. i've just done event.remove('jei:/exposure/sequenced_black_and_white_film_developing')

[coral vault]

nah didnt work. theres probably some weird stuff going on with priority order idk

[brave cairn]

you might need to look at exposure's github for the ID if it's not part of gtceu

idk about making film this annoying though

people already barely ever use this mod

[brave cairn]

👀

[exotic wraith]

Ayo 👁️

[exotic wraith]

https://i.gyazo.com/4fa871530a730b60ee996f2f80ffcbc8.gif

real...

i wish i could make the title for the vein be its file-name

but i cant be bothered....

[brave cairn]

looks real nice

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn do you see something off in this output?
json { "type": "patchouli:multiblock", "name": "Sapphire", "mutliblock": { "pattern": [ [ "0" ], [ " " ] ], "mapping": { "0": "#forge:ores/sapphire" }, "symmetrical": false }, "enable_visualize": true, "text": "$(thing)Percentage$(): 15%$(br)$(thing)Source of$(): Aluminium.$(br)$(thing)Formula$(): Al₂O₃$(br)" },

the multiblock doesnt work ,hell it causes the book to error out

[brave cairn]

idk what "symmetrical" does

but otherwise it looks ok 🤔

(set enable_visualize to false tho)

[exotic wraith]

ya already fixed that

i'll just remove those properties

@brave cairn ...it says mutliblock instead of multiblock

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[brave cairn]

lol

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn look

my biggest contribution to spacefaring shenanigans

[brave cairn]

yooooo is it all done?

[exotic wraith]

just want to document/comment some bits

then i'm doing the PR

[brave cairn]

awesome! thanks so much for this, helps me out a lot

[exotic wraith]

actually

guh

ok i'm not gonna document more

i'm exhausted lmao

i'll still pr it tho

https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern/pull/5

@brave cairn

[brave cairn]

sick I'll look in a sec

[brave cairn]

the finalized JSON file on the modpack should have this option disabled to save space
it's minecraft, not a webapp, a bit of whitespace isn't an issue lol

did a review

[exotic wraith]

fair i guess

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn complied with review 🆒

[brave cairn]

merged 👍

[exotic wraith]

[brave cairn]

hm, one of my blocks is showing up as transparent on the map for some reason

fixed it

[exotic wraith]

What would y'all add at the landing page?

[brave cairn]

a big fat message telling them to read the field guide

[exotic wraith]

yeah that'll be the one with the guidebook

[brave cairn]

make it bigger!

[exotic wraith]

.

[exotic wraith]

i wil i will

:p

[brave cairn]

:o

[exotic wraith]

But yeah, I'll do categories for these.

Uncategorized will be the main quest line with tips n stuff, multi block dilemma and development table

stone_age begins when you get rocks and ends obtaining your first wrought iron ingot

Iron_age begins with wrought iron, ends with bucket

[brave cairn]

why the hell my VS intellisense stop working

god I hate microsoft

[exotic wraith]

I was thinking on doing a metallurgy age that you'd unlock with your first anvil and that would encompass the iron age as a whole

So stone -> Metallurgy -> Mech & Steam -> Voltaic -> Space age

@brave cairn would you unlock the moon at the end of HV or at the beginning?

[brave cairn]

kinda halfway through

[exotic wraith]

I see

I was thinking on the assumption that the moon was post HV, and ad such the voltaic age would encompass ULV -> HV

And space age would be UHV -> Whatever last electric tier was I forgot it's name

[brave cairn]

somewhere after ender pearls and before cleanroom I think

[exotic wraith]

I see

I know eventually with the highest tier you go intra planetary do the final age would be interstellar age

[brave cairn]

I was thinking of putting space as its own section, with like, separate quest "constellations" for each tier

[exotic wraith]

That could work

[brave cairn]

but that would also work

[exotic wraith]

Yeah

For the space stuff we can shove them into their own quest groups

So on the Voltaic age you'd have the Moon questline right below HV

[brave cairn]

yeah

[exotic wraith]

Should the iron age be metallurgy age instead

So it starts with the stone anvil and ends with the bucket

[brave cairn]

idk, I don't mind splitting it up

I think kaolin is basically the halfway point of tfc

of course you can rush it early, but most people don't do that unless they're speedrunning lol

[exotic wraith]

Yeah

I'll likely do that, Stone age starts with your first stone and ends with your first stone anvil

[brave cairn]

that really doesn't take that long lol

you can do it in under a minute if you get lucky with spawn

knap a stone hammer, find raw stone of the right type, right click, done

🤔 it might make more sense to split tfc up into progression (stone then anvil tiers) and survival (clothes, leather, backpack, bed, food, etc)

[exotic wraith]

Aight

You're right there

It'd be then primitive age starts with rock and ends with your first metal anvil

[exotic wraith]

Maybe maybe

[marsh pivot]

I saw that the field guide wasn't showing all the knapping recipies in the introduction so I figured out how to fix it, but for the life of me I can't find where the recipies are for the tools. Like putting an axe head on a stick to make an axe.

[coral vault]

does it not show in EMI?

[marsh pivot]

The EMI is fine. I'm just trying to get the recipe to show up in Patchouli field guide .

I saw that the tfc:crafting/metal/axe/ is removed, but I don't know what replaced it.

[wet forum]

in this pack, if you dont find stuff in tfc's files, its in gt's ones

[low gate]

I apologize for the very late reply. Now I have started porting some scripts from tfg-core to 0.9.x and so far everything is not going badly, then I want to combine it all with 0.7.19, so we will get rid of the heavy dependence on tfg-core, I don't have much time now, but I am progressing well enough. If you wish, you can do some PR to port the code from 0.7.19 and 0.8.x to 0.9.x, I would be grateful.

[brave cairn]

Thanks for the notice! We were wondering what the plan for 0.9 was.
Will it be open source?
I am doing everything I can for space in kubejs, but there might be a couple small things that require code.

[low gate]

After 0.9.x is released, yes we will open the tfg-core code. I would like 0.9.x to be ready before integration with space is ready.

[brave cairn]

That would be good! Making the updated gregtech stable is a first priority.

[low gate]

if you need a mod, then you can make your own, if necessary, we will add it to the modpack, there is no problem for us.

[brave cairn]

Ok, I will look into it when I get to that point.
Right now, moon is 99% done, mars is 1% done, recipes are 50% done.

[low gate]

now I can only do anything for the modpack on weekends, closer to the summer I will graduate from university and the time will be decently freed up and we will finally be able to finish the modpack to a stable condition. Thanks for your contributions on github, it really helps

[brave cairn]

I am very happy to be contributing, and glad that many others are helping as well!

Is 0.9 just updated gregtech + 0.7 changes?

[low gate]

+/- yes

with some additional mods

small mods*

[brave cairn]

ok 👍
Deep resonance, The Beneath, and RFtools feel strange, are they included?

[low gate]

beneath yes

others no

[brave cairn]

Is it possible to remove beneath? I am going to make Mercury similar to the nether

[low gate]

I wanted to make the hellish world look like deep mines near the core of the planet, in this style

[brave cairn]

Hm, it feels quite magical in a modpack based around realism. There isn't very much to do there except mine, either.

[low gate]

I don't think you need to delete it, but your idea can exist together.

[brave cairn]

I know many others in the english speaking chats have said the nether would feel weird.

[low gate]

Getting into the nether will be realized by descending into the bedrock, I think this is quite realistic.

Unfortunately, we cannot expand the world downwards seamlessly.

[brave cairn]

Hm, I think if the nether exists, it should be more interesting. I am trying to avoid this problem with the planets, so there is more to do than just mine.

[low gate]

Okay, in that case, for now we'll think about implementing it another time, in which case 0.9.x won't have a beneath at the start

translators sucks

[brave cairn]

Thank you for considering it!

The beneath is a cool idea, but maybe for a different modpack that had more magic instead of gregtech lol

[elder niche]

I threw away some of the changes in 0.8 with one big pull request.

[umbral flax]

I should be doing my job programming, but instead I'm cloning the repo of the modpack I'm playing

[exotic wraith]

based

[gusty schooner]

I wish I didn’t just start work otherwise I’d be contributing 😅

[exotic wraith]

the primitive quest if it real...

[brave cairn]

tbh I didn't even make a ceramic jug I just drank from puddles and sped to getting a flask lol

[exotic wraith]

i'm playing based off what i learnt my first time reaching from primitive to steam

and tbh yeah you could just get a flask

[brave cairn]

mostly just cuz I was already familiar with tfc

[exotic wraith]

we cant expect everyone to be pros

[brave cairn]

ik ik lol

[exotic wraith]

Aight, here's a taste on the new primitive age questline.

You begin by reading the questbook quest.

1. Get stone
2. Learn about stone knapping, create stone axe and stone knife heads
3. Get stick
4. Learn about putting head on stick for epic tool
5. Gather logs, gather straw.
6. Learn about clay indicators and obtain clay
7. Create your first firepit
8. Fire a saw and vessel mold
9. Use ore pebbels to create your saw head
10. Get 16 lumber, get 4 planks
11. Create the workbench

[brave cairn]

mm, this is already starting to have the same problem as the existing one -- having a quest for every single craft along the way

like it can be

1. get rocks and sticks (a single quest with both conditions)
2. make stone axe and knife (a single quest with both conditions)
3. firepit

[exotic wraith]

i think thats a bit overreacting. considering its nowhere near as bad as this

[brave cairn]

not that specific part no lol

but more like, all of this

the quest should be about a goal, not a step of the process

[exotic wraith]

i could make the knap axe and knife the same quest, same for the two unfired and fired clays for the saw

i wouldnt do the same for the straw since i already added a bit on firepits (not the big ones, the ones you can heat and cook food in)

[brave cairn]

I guesssssss

[exotic wraith]

optional quest with all da fired clay utilities

[brave cairn]

@wet forum @jolly harness update for vis

[exotic wraith]

slowly connecting the forge & first anvil steps with the other branch, logs unlock the quest for going to prospect and mining, followed by the hazard block which redirects the player to learn about ore hazards.

[brave cairn]

ew pickaxe

[exotic wraith]

you dont even have access to a mining hammer prior to an anvil 😭

[brave cairn]

stone hammer 👍

[cosmic veldt]

I wanna help with the 0.9.x process if I can, js only though because I can't make heads or tails of forge and there is so little documentation anywhere

[exotic wraith]

OHH

right

i'll add both the hammer and the pick there

and say that you can get more ores using the hammer

i almost forgot

i thought you where talking about the mining hammer when you said ew pickaxe

[brave cairn]

pickaxes in general are redundant in tfg

[exotic wraith]

mining a raw rock with a hammer yields the dust which is annoying

i'd rather get the rocks themselves

[gusty schooner]

There is one use case for pickaxes: turtles. They don’t take mining hammers

But a good use case for turtles with pickaxes evades me lol

[brave cairn]

oh lol

[brave cairn]

so uh, does anyone know how to make a new mod? lol
since exception said it would work to put the space stuff in a separate mod, then I can do some code things that I currently can't do with kube

[gusty schooner]

I think Google is your friend for this one hahah

I couldn’t explain it if I tried

You will need intellij, Java sdk, and a specific version of forge downloaded and that’s about as far as I can get you lol

You might be able to do it in vscode but it could just be more hassle than it’s worth

[brave cairn]

is intellij what everyone uses these days instead of eclipse? it's been a long long time since I touched java lol

god, like 15 years ago

[wet forum]

thats what i use

[brave cairn]

if java code gives me access to using tfc worldgen to do mars' rock layers, that'll free up the biomes to do something a bit more interesting 🤔

there's this one tfc addon that makes the whole world a desert and adds sand layers which looks really nice. But it's hard locked to the minecraft:overworld dim and uses layers from a different weather mod... would be cool if I could look at its decompiled code and see how it did the sand layers

so I could keep that part without the rest

otherwise it'd be nice if I could at least keep the tfc thing of "north = colder" instead of random cold splotches

[wet forum]

wasnt it a issue when multiple dimension used the tfc worldgen ? i dont think you can go around that without going deep into tfc

[brave cairn]

I can't remember if it's a hard limit or if it's just something you can't do without code

[wet forum]

alright

[brave cairn]

on the other hand I might be overthinking it lol

[wet forum]

at least making your own mod for space would allow you to make your own chunk generators, or noise router which opens wild possibilities

[exotic wraith]

tbh

i dont think it'd be that difficult?

the main issue is that forge has jack shit for documentation

and if you ask how to register shit two morons will fight about whats the best registration method instead of answering

(deadass happened to me and i never touched modding ever again)

[brave cairn]

lol

[exotic wraith]

but yeah since you already know C# and have dipped your toes in java it shouldnt be too bad i think

since java is just C# with bad syntax

[wet forum]

this is not better than arguing about the best registration method

[exotic wraith]

lol

true

something something java for the haters in 100 seconds

[brave cairn]

if I can't do things the tfc way then having a custom surface rule condition that tells me how far north I am would work too, so I can use it for placing snow/ice

[brave cairn]

I'm not worried about the language itself, just the whole minecraft mod bit

[exotic wraith]

clearly the answer is to port the entirety of the modpack to fabric/neoforge

[wet forum]

well, tfc and gt are working on 1.21 neoforge. Maybe next year, thats conceivable

[exotic wraith]

1.21 TFG on neoforge would go crazy for a 1.0 update

lmao

[brave cairn]

https://terrafirmacraft.github.io/Documentation/1.20.x/worldgen/decorators/#climate hm this looks useful, I can already set climate through kubejs fine

oh I can look at how the beneath did it, possibly

[wet forum]

its fully hardcoded chunk generator
https://github.com/Shinoow/The-Beneath/blob/master/src/main/java/com/shinoow/beneath/common/world/gen/ChunkProviderDeepDank.java

[brave cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

oh no! math!

[wet forum]

yep, worldgen is math

welcome to the procedural world

[brave cairn]

I'm gonna take a look at that climate decorator and see if it works, cuz if so then that'll be easier than trying to do all this chunk generator nonsense

it's not like people are really gonna notice lol

[gloomy elm]

I have no idea if it can help you but I know TFC Hardrock 1.20

Has an add on for Coldsweat

Maybe it could help for temperature on planets

[brave cairn]

cold sweat does the same thing as tfc ambiental, it's just player temperature

there's like 4 different temperature systems going on lol

minecraft's built in one which just is just used for worldgen and not much else
tfc's, which is used for climate ranges, crops, cellars, etc
ambiental's, which is controlled by tfc's but just affects the player
and now ad astra's, which uses minecraft's temp to decide if water should freeze

I had a funny situation when testing where I had mars' current temp set to 10c (so ambiental doesn't make the player freeze immediately), but that made the nearby ice melt, but then ad astra thinks mars is cold so it just refroze it a few secs later

so I had ice constantly freezing and thawing lol

would be nice if I could just disable ambiental on other planets

ad astra kills you pretty quickly if you take your suit off and aren't in an oxygenated (and climate controlled) environment lol

[gloomy elm]

And replacing Ambiental with Cold Sweat and its addon?

[brave cairn]

what would it accomplish?

ah cold sweat has no concept of an "indoors" like ambiental does

[exotic wraith]

Added some more branches.

Food Branch

• Get any food
• Checkmark to understand nutrition
• Cook food with a campfire
• Learn about soups
• Optional quest about pizza (i think its the best since you can have all nutrition types on them?)

Water Branch

• See potable water
• Checkmark to understand hydration
• Three fluid options

Warmth Branch

• Arrive in the overworld
• Checkmark to understand temperatures
• Quest for both insulation types (warm and cold biomes)

Leather branch

• Get barrel
• Create lether
• Knap leather armor (connects to insulation branch)
• Create leather flask (connects to hydration branch)

i also added a little quest with the chest about storage options, going over regular chests, supply carts and crates as an alternative to vanilla barrels

[brave cairn]

what's the purple square?

[exotic wraith]

7 double copper ingots

[brave cairn]

no on the left

[exotic wraith]

for the copper anvil, which marks the end of the stone age and the beginning of the metallurgy age

OH

thats the icon for being inside a dimension

[brave cairn]

oh lol

[brave cairn]

maybe you could steal the earth icon from ad astra, if this is going to drop at the same time as space 🤔

[exotic wraith]

ohh

good idea

i'm relatively happy on how this is shaping up

[brave cairn]

I like it being generally a lot smaller!

similar size to the greg tiers

makes it less overwhelming

[gloomy elm]

Maybe Sandwich also in the food branch as they are the bread and butter of TFC mid game food

[brave cairn]

maybe there could be a third primitive category just for all the optional stuff, to make it discoverable

[exotic wraith]

the idea is basically:

• Gears representing the beginning and end of quests
• Octagon representing important milestones
• Big squares are for other milestones
• Hearts are purely optional

like this one, completely optional, just a checkmark to see all the goodies with knapping stone

[brave cairn]

ad_astra:environment/earth btw

[exotic wraith]

already did it

but yeah i could put a third category in the primitive group for TFC misc that is not included in the stone or metallurgy ages

some examples including the bellows, backpack, papermaking, etc

[gloomy elm]

With the salad quest you could add sandwiches as two tasks?

[brave cairn]

bellows is basically required to work iron/steel, it should be metallurgy

[exotic wraith]

right

[exotic wraith]

i'll add it to the pizza optional quest

it'll just be titled "all the foodies"

or something corny idk

[brave cairn]

side mods like the camera or making your own records too

[exotic wraith]

ya

[brave cairn]

alcohols

[prime sonnet]

shouldn’t bellows be included in the metallurgy area?

[exotic wraith]

ya

[prime sonnet]

given that they’re required for the blast furnace

[exotic wraith]

i already fixed that

secret meme quest

[prime sonnet]

looks great so far tho!

[exotic wraith]

thanks!

i dont think i'km missing anything important in the primitive age...?

it basically covers the important things

hydration, warmth, nutrition
knapping, stone tools, making the firepit
firing clay, native ores, getting your workbench
creating the forge, creating the first copper anvil

[prime sonnet]

and then further tfc progression is in another category?

[exotic wraith]

the idea is basically have primitive be from first spawn to copper anvil

metallurgy be copper anvil to bucket

have a third category for TFC misc

as soon as you get access to steam machinery you unlock the mechanical and steam ages

which is steam power machinery and create respectively

[prime sonnet]

as a heads up for Exception (if he checks this channel), i'm working on porting over the TFG-core code regarding heating recipes/tfc heat data for 0.9, so you shouldn't need to work on that

[prime sonnet]

that makes sense, for stuff like ranching/crops, etc. which aren't exactly necessary for progession but nice to have quests abt?

[exotic wraith]

aye

[brave cairn]

ping him, I'm pretty sure he doesn't check it lol

especially since this is all english and he'd have to run it all through a translator

[prime sonnet]

@low gate read above ^

i have 3 ides open at once, i'm clearly doing something scuffed 💀

[brave cairn]

#1255219226537627801 message I think this is the russian equivalent of this thread

[exotic wraith]

bit of a mess atm, just setting up the metallurgy tree

• Get copper anvil
• Get 7 bronze ingots
• Create bronze anvil, unlock steam
• Create bloomery, with bellows quest
• Create wrought iron anvil
• Go on an Odyssey for Kaolin Clay + Graphite
• Create crucible
• Create blast furnace
• blahblah, finish with the bucket (which i'll make sure to add a tf2 reference to it)

[low gate]

thanks

[exotic wraith]

Might include arbofirmacraft here with this quest rework pr

because god i fucking hate the current treetap mod

its a buggy mess

the kaolin clay quest will have an offshoot quest with stuff you should bring back to the base such as papyrus, kapok, etc

[brave cairn]

@low gate I have an idea for The Beneath. What if I change it to actually look like deep mines? Similar landscape, remove soul/magic stuff, add other things. Maybe another place for kaolin clay?

[prime sonnet]

going to hell for kaolin clay seems thematic 💀

lore accurate kaolin journey

[brave cairn]

ok but what if

the kaolin claze

[prime sonnet]

the klaze 😭

should give you pre-cooked kaolin 😭

[exotic wraith]

PEAK

i want the klaze

[exotic wraith]

yeah, definetly feels like it when you have to do a 10km trek

[cosmic veldt]

hyenas and tigers and alligators for the added hellishness as well

[brave cairn]

            // Earth is 10k to each pole, and mars is about half as big as earth, so 5k to each pole sounds good
            let poleRelative = (pos.z / -10000.0) + 0.5;

            let smoothed = Math.cos(poleRelative * Math.PI);

            let temp = (smoothed * 173) - 153;

            console.log(`Z: ${pos.z}, relative: ${poleRelative}, smoothed: ${smoothed}, temp: ${temp}`);

            return temp;```

can someone check my math, this keeps returning NaN for the smoothed

the poleRelative does what I want, with -5k returning 1 and 50 returning 0

[gusty schooner]

Sorry I don’t speak javascript

[brave cairn]

oh wtf

Math.PI doesn't work but 3.14159 does? lol

I hate js!!!

[exotic wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/javascript-sad-programmer-sad-seal-js-frontend-gif-17530726856445672143

[gusty schooner]

I don’t see why that code wouldn’t work

[brave cairn]

this says that's the correct constant! https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Math/PI

😭

[gusty schooner]

It lets you use math.cos but not math.pi???

I don’t think I’ve ever ran into that issue before hahahah

[exotic wraith]

man javascript sucks

[brave cairn]

yeah I'm ?????

[gusty schooner]

Works on my machine ™️

Maybe Kube is just wonky

[gusty schooner]

Try using just PI instead

[brave cairn]

got the math working at least, without the math.pi. This is at the equator

[exotic wraith]

🥶

KILLING OFF THE TREETAP MOD REAL? 🗣️ 🔊 🔥

[brave cairn]

hope you're doing that in 0.9 lol

less to merge

[brave cairn]

and this is at the poles!

[exotic wraith]

nope... i based the branch off main

oops

same for my quest rework

double oops

[prime sonnet]

i mean there shouldn't be significant changes

[exotic wraith]

nothing cherrypick commit wont fix tho

[prime sonnet]

to those specific areas?

[exotic wraith]

yeah, it was an easy fix making a new branch off 0.9.x then cherry picking the commit i made just now

aight, time to kill treetap

😤

[brave cairn]

fuck it I'm not doing seasons

just daily temps and z-based temps

[exotic wraith]

to be fair

seasons outside of earth doesnt make sense

since you need an atmosphere and an axial tilt for seasons

something mars, mercury and other plantes are famously known to now have them

except titan... was it titan? i forgor

[brave cairn]

apparently mars is fucky

[exotic wraith]

fucked

yeah just dont add seasons

[brave cairn]

goes between 0 and 60 deg lol

over tens of ks of years but still

[exotic wraith]

meanwhile uranus with the 180° tilt

(or was it neptune? i forgor (again))

[brave cairn]

uranus is 82

[exotic wraith]

ah right

90°, not 180

oops

[brave cairn]

neptune is 28

yes I am googling these lol

[exotic wraith]

based

[brave cairn]

thanks tfg for teaching me about so much uhhh space geology

[exotic wraith]

Aight so

fun fact

you cant even boot up the game in 0.9.x

so

guess i'm working off main

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn @prime sonnet letting you two know this btw

[prime sonnet]

oop

good to know 💀

[brave cairn]

F

[prime sonnet]

tbf i couldn't even pull the branch to begin with

had to delete some weird file with a longass name

[exotic wraith]

oh thats weird

if i install arborfirmacraft the game doesnt load and it crashes

maybe updating terrafirmacraft does it

since the version the modpack uses is 3.2.12

yup

updating terrafirmacraft did it

hopefully nothing else breaks

WE GETTING RID OF THE TREETAP MOD WITH THIS ONE 🗣️ 🔊 🔥

[brave cairn]

WE CLOGGING UP THE TFC WOOD STUFFS CATEGORY EVEN MORE WITH THIS ONE

[exotic wraith]

[exotic wraith]

fuck yeah

[brave cairn]

lol, lmao

[exotic wraith]

ok i'll need to check how that works

hopefully its data driven

ok

it is data driven

i cant make it be depending on the month of the year tho

which... sucks

technically speaking

i could override these recipes

and make it so they produce sap as long as the average temperature is not negative

the current treetap mod makes it so you cant produce sap during winter months

[prime sonnet]

how will this affect the local trout population (existing saves)

[exotic wraith]

and i think having it so you can produce sap as long as the avg temp is not negative would be fine as is

[exotic wraith]

if anything i want this to be part of 0.9

removal of the tree tap mod would cause losses for players

when 0.9 releases we could keep the treetap mod, remove all recipes associated to its treetap and keep the recipe that allows you to melt it back into copper

that way people dont loose their precious copper

that or just, say fuck it and remove it all together

not like copper is expensive

[brave cairn]

or just craft old tree tap into new tree tap

[exotic wraith]

true, the arborfirmacraft treetap uses iron

so we'd have to change its textures

not too difficult

having secondary means of getting sugar is neat, you can use maple or birch

[brave cairn]

interesting

[exotic wraith]

it also adds rubbermaking by itself

completely useless but its there

its trees are two new ones, Rubber Fig and Hevea

lemme check where those can spawn

@brave cairn i assume i could find this data in configured_feature?

i dont know much of the inner structure of datapacks

by the looks of it this is the file with the temp and rainfal metadata

[brave cairn]

looks correct to me

hm, that's not correct lol

[prime sonnet]

"hot desert"
-39 degrees C

https://tenor.com/view/looks-inside-cat-meme-gif-9988497200137656952

[exotic wraith]

Kapok

• Min Temp: 17.1
• Max Temp: 38
• Min Rainfall: 320
• Max Rainfall: 500

Hevea

• Min Temp: 17.1
• Max Temp: 26.2
• Min Rainfall: 390
• Max Rainfall: 500

Rubber Fig

• Min Temp: 9.8
• Max Temp: 20.7
• Min Rainfall: 290
• Max Rainfall: 400

The question is, do we still make kapok the only rubber producing tree? or do we add hevea and rubber fig?

[brave cairn]

to be fair that text goes off the average temp not current lol

[prime sonnet]

XD

[exotic wraith]

i think i'm going to keep the new trees as well

unless y'all think dethroning kapok is not a good idea

[brave cairn]

grandfather kapok in imo

[prime sonnet]

having more options is nice
rubber fig means a fully sub-10 deg average playthrough is possible

[exotic wraith]

i like the idea of making kapok the Hot climate, Hevea the Temperate climate, and Rubber Fig the Cold climate tree tapping stuff

and have each produce sap according to the temperature changes (rubber fig works until 0°C, hevea works up to 10°C, and Kapok works up to 20°C)

[prime sonnet]

i can't tell if what i'm doing is genius or cursed

[exotic wraith]

hit me

[prime sonnet]

goddamnit

i was writing code in the java files instead of the kjs files
no wonder it's getting mad at me 💀

how cursed are classes in base javascript
like they're fine in like react or whatever
but like
this seems very cursed

oh wait you can't overload functions? absolute garbage

[exotic wraith]

average javascript moment

[prime sonnet]

yeahhh i'm probably going to go back to what i was doing before

for context i need to port this

into js

i feel like making an entire class is overcomplicating it, i was just going to chuck it into an array of dicts and that will probably be fine

aint no way this is how they want you to overload functions 😭

[exotic wraith]

sound:602950537570287713:1105035116377538620

[prime sonnet]

im going to do it a moderately less cursed way

it's still very bad

[brave cairn]

j s m o m e n t

[prime sonnet]

😭

sanity check, how cursed is this

nullish coalescing operator my beloved 😭

(i will properly document it dw)

i dont even know if it works actually 💀

works in firefox 💀

[exotic wraith]

i hjate it

add it

call it techdebt for the fact that kjs uses js

[prime sonnet]

its so bad but it seems like it'll work? and also decrease the amount of work i have to do

wait nvm it doesn't
but whatever

i forgot the point of this was that i wouldn't have to put the arguments in a dict
now i have to put everything in a dict anyways 💀

oh well idrk if it's avoidable at all

i think i literally just played myself to the extreme but its fine

[brave cairn]

hehe

[exotic wraith]

lost civ type beat?

[brave cairn]

I walk near it and it immediately starts freezing

get fucked

[exotic wraith]

whats the idea behind adding an ocean monument of all things to mars?

(thats mars right?)

[brave cairn]

there is no idea, most of mars is still just default minecraft biomes rn

there's shipwrecks, nether portals, villages, etc

damnit I can't use this without a ChunkDataProvider either https://terrafirmacraft.github.io/Documentation/1.20.x/worldgen/decorators/#climate

and I can't have a ChunkDataProvider without java

🥲

[prime sonnet]

average tfg dev experience

[brave cairn]

guess it's finally time to learn how to write a mod (send help)

[prime sonnet]

surely can't be that hard

[brave cairn]

surely not

it's just yknow

gestures

[prime sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[brave cairn]

well whatever that's a task for tomorrow

I got average temps working at least

[prime sonnet]

oh yeah rate my cursed code btw

i might redo it since i really dont want to move everything into a dictionary myself 😭

well, dictionaries plural

lots of them 😭

[brave cairn]

maybe then I can have access to the normal time of day tick amount and can do current temp as well

[prime sonnet]

oh wait it's probably actually easy, i just need to learn vim 💀

[brave cairn]

[exotic wraith]

WE DEPRECATING TFG TO MAKE TFG_SPACE_EDITION 🗣️ 🔊 🔥

Be me
Adding arborfirmacraft support
Have to manually make tualang, a softwood, be canoable
Place stripped tualang
Use saw on stripped tualang
Game crashes
MFW

[prime sonnet]

arbor firma craft

[exotic wraith]

i'm a bit afraid that this will entail much pain

[prime sonnet]

quite possibly

it seems we are all suffering

[exotic wraith]

for the betterment of mankind...

[prime sonnet]

fr

[exotic wraith]

welp...

@brave cairn you know about this kind of stuff right?

creating java objects in kjs using reflection

[brave cairn]

no, just accessing existing ones

[exotic wraith]

will i really go and create my own mod for this...?

[brave cairn]

look at startup_scripts/tfg/blocks.js

https://tenor.com/view/tusareve-katy-perry-slime-nickelodeon-gif-25468694

us rn

[exotic wraith]

TRUE

also

@brave cairn has exception explained to you why he wants to deprecate the entirety of TFG?

the mod itself

is it because you can do everything (or mostly everything) TFG mod does in KJS?

[brave cairn]

he doesn't want to deprecate the entirety of TFG

just minimize it

[exotic wraith]

i see

you mentioned you need to create a mod to access a specific system

[brave cairn]

cuz yeah, as we're finding out, a lot of things are only possible in java

but rn, there's quite a lot of tfg recipes that are in java and not in kube, for example

[brave cairn]

I would be up for us just sharing a mod that we can all add shit to lol

[exotic wraith]

i think it'd be best

altho my main question is why not just use TFG itself? i know the source is closed atm

and thats a good enough reason to just create our own stuff atm

i guess we'd create our own stuff and once TFG becomes open source we'd move it there?

[brave cairn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[exotic wraith]

oh well

fuck it, yeah, lets just share a mod for now

[brave cairn]

this is all I know

[exotic wraith]

Ok, noted

[brave cairn]

"putting stuff in your own mod to add later is ok"

so we aren't forced to only use js

[exotic wraith]

Lets bake this bread 🗣️ 🔊 🔥

[brave cairn]

but I do sympathise that it's better to
a) be consistent
b) that the js is easier to contribute to because you just edit text and run the game, no IDE or compiler required

[exotic wraith]

aye

we should only use the mod for stuff that cant be done in JS

such as Canoes and Rowboats

do you have a project already set-up?

[brave cairn]

nope!

[exotic wraith]

[brave cairn]

I was hoping someone else would do it for me

[exotic wraith]

i dont blame you

just like you, i'm scared of C# but bad syntax Java

if it means anything i have legitimately 0 experience using java

all my experience in programming comes from C# due to me being a unity developer and JS from KubeJS

[brave cairn]

you'll pick it up easily

all c-like languages just constantly copy each other nowadays

if you think java syntax is bad, be glad you don't have to touch the mess that is modern c++ lol

[exotic wraith]

mfw i saw cout << "Hello World!"; the first time

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-wtf-gif-25758871

[brave cairn]

man that's old

I'm talking about shit like lambdas

auto vglambda = [](auto printer)
{
    return [=](auto&&... ts) // generic lambda, ts is a parameter pack
    { 
        printer(std::forward<decltype(ts)>(ts)...);
        // nullary lambda (takes no parameters):
        return [=] { printer(ts...); };
    };
};```

[=]() -> int

[exotic wraith]

Me watching this codeblock ⤴️
https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reevdump-keanu-fire-gif-21288545

C++ devs really said "Lets make something as incomprehensible as machine code"

[gusty schooner]

Laughs in C

[brave cairn]

me writing C++CLI at work

unironically

[exotic wraith]

Aight so

Now we just need to see who's gonna bite the bullet of setting up the mod

Lol

[prime sonnet]

java is free 🙏

i can probably go figure it out, can't be that hard

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[gusty schooner]

Why don’t we just put it all in tfg-core when it’s open 😃

[prime sonnet]

because it's not open 😭

[exotic wraith]

This

Me when I try to contribute to a closed source project

[gusty schooner]

I thot he was gonna open it

[exotic wraith]

Exception plans to

When? Idk

[gusty schooner]

Boo

[exotic wraith]

Eventually™️

[exotic wraith]

If you do find some starting point or manage to do it let us know 🙏

[prime sonnet]

it will be open eventually, but it would be nice to do some of the dev work related to this now

worst case most of the code for the mod can probably be ported over to tfg-core

[gusty schooner]

I think the hardest part would just be sifting through each mod and adding the specific version as a dependency in gradle

[exotic wraith]

(what the fuck is a Gradle)

[prime sonnet]

i love gradle! i love gradle! i love gradle!

[gusty schooner]

Java abomination

[prime sonnet]

but yeah i'll go like

look up a tutorial or something

[exotic wraith]

Is it like nuget but bad?

[prime sonnet]

"how to make mod"

[prime sonnet]

it's like a build tool

[gusty schooner]

I mean honestly gradle isn’t that bad

Just confusing at first

[exotic wraith]

Why do you even need a tool to build I thought programming languages come with compilers

[prime sonnet]

i don't know the specifics of how it works, just that for some reason it just keeps fucking up

[prime sonnet]

kid named c++:

[exotic wraith]

Right

[gusty schooner]

Dependencies! Mixins! Wooo!!

[exotic wraith]

We love modding!!!! WOOO

And I thought Ror2 modding was annoying

[prime sonnet]

wasn't the java code for MC like obfuscated for the longest time

iirc i remember reading something about minecraft modders pioneered the most advanced java decompilers just so that they could read the damn game code

[gusty schooner]

You could probably make a script to build it yourself but it would just end up being a bastardized gradle

And nobody needs that

[exotic wraith]

I miss unity...

Or .net

Not frankenmono tho, fuck frankenmono

[prime sonnet]

writing in kjs makes me miss literally any programming language that isn't javascript

when are we getting kc++

[gusty schooner]

I think a good chunk of the source is still obfuscated with the official mappings

[exotic wraith]

Fuck that, when are we getting KC#

[prime sonnet]

oh really, average microsoft moment

[exotic wraith]

That way pyritie and I can COOK

[prime sonnet]

surely i will learn c# in 2 days

[gusty schooner]

Ez

[exotic wraith]

Either way, here is to the creation of TFG-Subcore mod

[prime sonnet]

god i would even take kubetypescript over kubejs 😭

[exotic wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-toast-cheers-champagne-gif-12045649

[exotic wraith]

Kid named ProbeJS

[gusty schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-wink-cheers-toast-pointing-gif-16236516

[exotic wraith]

Well, ProbeJS will be the closest you'll get to KubeTypescript

[prime sonnet]

i couldn't get probejs to work for me

i ran the command, my little craptop started spinning its fans like a jet turbine, and then i crashed

[exotic wraith]

Goes hard

I managed to get ti to somewhat work

But I decided against it because there where some issues I couldn't figure out

[prime sonnet]

i got like
some probejs, there's a random probejs folder somewhere in my workspace
but i don't think it fully finished (wow why would i think that)

[gusty schooner]

I heard if you pour some water on it the fans won’t spin up as much

[prime sonnet]

and there's no support for webstorm out of the box, i'd have to figure out how to point it towards the relevant files
which probably wouldn't be that hard but im lazy

[prime sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-uncletopia-gif-26323416

[gusty schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/laptop-smoking-smoking-laptop-laptop-on-fire-fire-laptop-computer-smoking-gif-27155816

[exotic wraith]

What the hell is a webstorm

[prime sonnet]

javascript intellij

practically useless for this purpose but whatever

[gusty schooner]

Be a real dev and use Notepad++ /s

[prime sonnet]

(it has no benefits over vscode if you're not doing webdev)

but i already use it for some webdev stuff so i figured why not
plus it alr has all my editor settings, theming, etc. set up

whereas my vscode is basically stock

[gusty schooner]

Isn’t webstorm paid?

[prime sonnet]

i get it for free

im going to go through withdrawals when i stop but it's ok we'll cross that bridge later

[gusty schooner]

Student plan or smth?

[prime sonnet]

yeah student license 🙏

[gusty schooner]

Hah that reminds me my free GitHub pro sub just ended

My stupid school stopped doing lifetime edu emails

[prime sonnet]

nooooo 😭

[exotic wraith]

Wild

[prime sonnet]

and yet

here we are

[gusty schooner]

I need a blue name

[prime sonnet]

tbh a lot of people do

[gusty schooner]

I haven’t actually contributed anything tho lol

[coral vault]

I find that probejs just stops working when you have too many items in a pack

[wet forum]

anyone tried to run the 0.9 branch ? Is it me or is it broken ?

[exotic wraith]

It is broken

[wet forum]

ty

[exotic wraith]

So

TFG-Mantle when

[brave cairn]

tfg what

[exotic wraith]

I'm just pitching bad names for the mod we need to make

[brave cairn]

I like boring names so I was just gonna call mine tfg-space or something lol

might be easier if we keep them separate, so your smaller changes aren't waiting for the bigger space stuff

can always merge them back together later

[exotic wraith]

Bet

[brave cairn]

damn I should probably change all my namespaces from tfg to tfgs or something

I already renamed the moon rock today because anorthite is a mineral and not a rock (now it's anorthosite, which is a rock)

dunite is technically also a mineral but zzzzz idc

[low gate]

yeap, nice idea

[brave cairn]

Cool, let me finish something with space, then I can do that, so it can be ready for 0.9.
Are there any specific parts of 0.9 we could do? We're a bit lost. It does not compile at the moment either.

[exotic wraith]

Yeah, trying to boot up the 0.9 branch just crashes minecraft

[exotic wraith]

i'll likely start and call it Arborfirmaciv

[brave cairn]

arborfirmagreg

[exotic wraith]

since literally the only reason why i need an actual mod is to make canoes and rowboats for firmaciv boats

Arborfirmagreg could work too

[brave cairn]

ad terrafirmagregastra

[exotic wraith]

Ad Terrafirmagregastra civ

[brave cairn]

ad astrafirmagreg? since it's no longer terra

[exotic wraith]

Astrafirmagreg for the space stuff sounds neat

[brave cairn]

I like it

[exotic wraith]

Ad Astra works because it means "To the stars"

Ad Astrafirmagreg means "To the Starfirmagreg"

which is just

confusing

+or whatever "firma" and "greg" mean

i know greg is the name of the mod's original author

firma means... idfk

Ad Arstrarborfirmagreg civ

there

thats the final name

[brave cairn]

energistics

[exotic wraith]

Ad Astrarborfirmagregnergestics civ

[exotic wraith]

we fucking hate forge

however

https://docs.minecraftforge.net/en/latest/gettingstarted/

[exotic wraith]

we gotta start somewhere

[peak hazel]

would it be possible to also add AE2CC Bridge to the space update?

as it would offer CC integration of AE2

[brave cairn]

no, do it separately

[prime sonnet]

god bless regex

makes it actually bearable

[brave cairn]

who needs regex when you have adderall

[prime sonnet]

my fingers 😭
i aint typing all that

[brave cairn]

I manually typed (or copied and pasted) all those field guide changes lol

(I'm never doing that again)

[prime sonnet]

better to spend 3 hours automating it than to spend 5 minutes doing it yourself

🙏

[brave cairn]

the real programmer way (it did not take me 5 mins lmao)

[prime sonnet]

its beautiful (i have to manually change all the material references to somehow work with kjs)

regexr comes to my rescue yet again

[brave cairn]

home in a bit, then I gotta check if my stone renaming has broken space

then I got some help on the tfc server about what the hell a calendarTick is

so I can do the current temp correctly

then... maybe start up java

[exotic wraith]

regex is fucking scary

i STILL dont know what or how it works

[brave cairn]

it's very worthwhile to learn

ultimate swiss army knife of string manipulation/searching

and is supported by basically everything

you can skip some of the advanced stuff like lookbacks or whatever they're called

[brave cairn]

hehe oops

[brave cairn]

MAFFS

[exotic wraith]

WE LOVE MAFF

This is fucked

Also

Just finished for the day

[exotic wraith]

I need to setup the mod

But I'm also going to vacation on Saturday

So

[prime sonnet]

this used to be me until i found this site https://regexr.com/

actually goated for making/learning regex

im not an expert by any means but i know enough to use the tool fairly effectively

[exotic wraith]

https://youtu.be/55qUIf3GMss

gonna follow this

lolol

i'll try to do the uhh

using visual studio code

for modding

i dont want to have another java IDE

[prime sonnet]

vscode should work fine

idk if there's a better (free) ide for java

[exotic wraith]

cant believe now i have a minecraft related folder on my gamedev ssd

wild

[prime sonnet]

fast food

[exotic wraith]

i cannot disclose whats there cuz i'm under NDA

lol

(its my actual paying job related stuff)

[prime sonnet]

💀

[exotic wraith]

something something codenames

as someone who knows jack shit about java

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKGarocXCE1FeXvEogpjz4SvHxF_FJRO6

this is kinda neat

i mean, i know C#, i know OOP

some of data oriented designs

but still good since this should make things easier for my .net spoiled brain

[brave cairn]

uuuugh I'm trying to figure out how to make temperature stabilise and get warmer the further underground you are but the math is hurty

sleep deprived and at 11:30pm is not the time for math

I also want a variable so I can say how much of an influence it has

so like, on the moon going underground just trends towards the average temp

whereas on mars it gets a little warmer (but not completely stable like earth)

[exotic wraith]

[prime sonnet]

average intellij user

[brave cairn]

what the fuck is an inverse lerp - me rn

[prime sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-cat-sus-suspicious-cat-side-eye-cat-meme-gif-11842087146493734807

how do you reverse interpolate something

💀

[brave cairn]

like, lerp has two numbers and then a factor, and it gives you a number in between according to that factor

like lerp(0, 100, 0.4) = 40

inverse lerp does the opposite, like lerp(0, 100, 40) = 0.4

[prime sonnet]

oop

isn't that just division

[cosmic veldt]

if i ever touch java the first thing I want to implement is fixing tfc food recipes for gt machines by making them properly copy food values like nutrition and expiry date

i know what youre supposed to do to fix those but I have never written a recipe serialiser let alone a mod with other mod dependencies

[brave cairn]

function lerp(x, y, a) {
    return (1 - a) * x + y * a;
}

function invLerp(x, y, a) {
    return (a - x) / (y - x);
}```
kinda

[prime sonnet]

that's fairly high on the list
the only reason that hasn't been done is because we were waiting for tfc-core access

[prime sonnet]

invLerp():
look inside:
division

but makes sense, abstracting it is useful

[exotic wraith]

aw yeah guys

i'm off the deep end

[cosmic veldt]

also some other stuff like more create compat would be nice like using a fan in place of a bellows

[prime sonnet]

now that exception has confirmed we can just make our own mods ig, someone can probably fix it
all that would need to be done is somehow get GT machines to work with TFC ItemStackProviders

[brave cairn]

another good thing is the ae2 heat bug

[cosmic veldt]

i know theres a mod that adds tfc create compat somewhat but its very hastily coded and full of weird quirks

[brave cairn]

though I suspect that one's gonna require a tfc mixin to stop it applying heat onto everything

[cosmic veldt]

it just needs to be a custom recipe serialiser that wraps the existing gt recipe but uses an itemstackprovider as the output like how tfc does their own advanced shapeless crafting

I tried very hard to see if there was a kubejs way of doing this but sadly no

a tfc greg compat mod would just be useful in general too tho. I know we already have the gearboxes and kinetic mixers and whatever but i can foresee a lot of cool things once you integrate kinetic energy more

[exotic wraith]

yknow

i'm surprised there isnt an addon to make create work with TFG's mechanical system

[cosmic veldt]

there isnt?

[brave cairn]

someone's working on it in the tfc server

[exotic wraith]

if there was it would be in tfg i think

which it isnt

[prime sonnet]

i believe you would also need to take ISPs as inputs

but im not 100% sure?

thats how i got the impression of it working in the tfc code, but i definitely could be wrong
ofc you could also find some way to just copy over the relevant nbt data

[prime sonnet]

i don't know how you would

[cosmic veldt]

oh and also if we add more tfc/greg compat i'd really like an electric hot plate (heats stuff up like tfc but using eu)

[exotic wraith]

that would be nat

neat*

[exotic wraith]

Ok

I added a single item

Tried to do more

Then Minecraft won't even boot again

Epic

[prime sonnet]

note to self: add heat and melt values for pentlandite

[sharp smelt]

IntelliJ IDEA is good

[prime sonnet]

fr

[brave cairn]

some madman actually did it

[exotic wraith]

WOO

THE KLAZE

[brave cairn]

I'm looking at my current temp math code from last evening and wtf was I thinking

[exotic wraith]

one should never program while eepy

cuz then you barely understand what the fuck is going on

[brave cairn]

yeah unfortunately I'm a bit stuck with mars until I get past this tfc chunk thingy

but it's ok, I talked to the guy who wrote the kubejs-tfc addon, and he says it's possible to make new ones in java, and is working on another mod that'll make it datapack accessible, but also warned that it might take a while or never be finished lol

but at least knowing that it's possible is a good sign

otherwise in the meantime I'm gonna take a look at the beneath. That should be much more straightforward

[brave cairn]

here's my idea for Beneath (as I've learned, there's another old mod called The Beneath which is just a mining dimension)

• remove netherrack, replace with deepslate
• remove soul sand/soil
• add vanilla mineshafts but change to crimson wood (fireproof)
• make nether quartz exclusive to here
• I'm not sure what to do with oregen honestly. Could look at what ores are in the nether in gregtech, or just have it otherwise copy the overworld
• Remove piglins, make bastions full of skeletons instead (replace brutes with wither skeletons?). Good place to get graphite
• Possibly remove fortresses
• Remove blaze, magma cube, strider (I want to put them on other planets)
• add lush caves to the higher levels. They spawn with spring water, kaolin, and klazes
• maybe do something with dripstone caves
• replace warped fungus with red/brown fungus (I want to put the warped wood elsewhere)
• skulk????
• balanced around mid tfc (doable with iron/bronze, easier with steel+)

[spiral lintel]

i use intellj community edition, works good for me

[prime sonnet]

oh yeah ig intellij has a free version

then yeah thats prolly best

[worthy tusk]

Potentially move lead/silver depending on where in primitive age this is 8ntended to be

[brave cairn]

nah silver can stay

[worthy tusk]

@brave cairn hey what if you have to increase the coil type for higher tier alternators, but they don't need the 4x Su

or perhaps having an effect on amperage...

[brave cairn]

idk how to make one machine have multiple configurations

[gusty schooner]

Probably could look the EBF code for inspo

[brave cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646085141847998484/1337591603354800261/2025-02-08_01.png?ex=67a800c1&is=67a6af41&hm=a1ffc1d72c8e2bd6b1816704294bc5002abc295dde6018c70eab284c6db8528d&

needs a lot of work still but off to a good start

[coral vault]

Who up klazing they blast furnace?

[exotic wraith]

WHAT THE KLAZE DOIN

[brave cairn]

next question is if we wanna use deepslate/blackstone for the "nether" or more tfc stone

[wet forum]

oh whoa, that a very cool screenshot

[exotic wraith]

I think weird stones would be neat

[coral vault]

Could add new real stone types that aren't in tfc yet. Scoria for example

[brave cairn]

create has scoria! but I was also using those on planets already lol

[worthy tusk]

need gregtech red granite for more deco options

[brave cairn]

I'm putting that on mars already

[prime sonnet]

if oregen is going to be different it would make sense for it to not be TFC rocks

[brave cairn]

it'll be very similar to the overworld

[coral vault]

I didn't know that lol. Just an example

I was thinking about adding little one block geodes to the world. Could be broken up for some of the gems in the pack or as nice decorations

I am a certified rock hound

[brave cairn]

if you want! the built in geode feature is pretty dang customizable, it should do well for making little small ones https://minecraft.wiki/w/Amethyst_geode#Config

[coral vault]

Yeah I was looking at that too. But my idea was like little one block ones like concretions. Most ore in tfc/gtceu form naturally as geodes

Chalcopyrite for example

Malachite is some of my favorites

[brave cairn]

I'd be wary of making common little tiny ore deposits like that because once you move onto mining machines, they'd pick up all these deposits too

which could cause a lot of excess stuff to be dug up, and basically be noise in your mining expeditions

[coral vault]

Hmm good point. I could make them drop normal ore unless mined with a special tool

Do mining machines usually silk touch or nah?

[brave cairn]

they do the same as a pickaxe

unless you have one of the multiblock ones in EV+, which have an option to mine with silk touch

[coral vault]

Alright sweet

[coral vault]

Does the gtceu ore prospector use tags?

[brave cairn]

not sure, but probably?

[brave cairn]

accidentally made a pretty cool effect

[brave cairn]

anyway next up, uhhhh

two other ideas for biomes are one with spiders everywhere and one with mushrooms. But the normal dark oak forest kind, not the nether kind (I'm using those in space)

[brave cairn]

and I guess some general cave stuff to fill in the blanks

maybe I'll actually use netherrack

just so the beneath can function properly and generate certain things lol

[honest halo]

wait, so to be clear. are you updating the beneath to be included in this pack? or are you using the beneath as an inspiration for something in this pack?

because if its the 1st one

can I has pls?

[brave cairn]

exception wants to add the beneath, I don't like how fantastical it feels so I'm re-themeing it into something more "realistic"

[honest halo]

soooo, inspired by the original mod then?

[brave cairn]

no as in the actual mod is being added

it's just not gonna look like the nether

[honest halo]

😮

[brave cairn]

but it'll have the other stuff that the beneath adds, like the hellforge and the mushrooms and stuff

[honest halo]

so you ARE updating the mod to 1.20?

I WANT THAT

[brave cairn]

...the mod's already 1.20.1

[honest halo]

wait, one sec

not on curse

is it updated on github?

wait

no, i see what happened

I was looking at this https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/the-beneath

not this https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/beneath

[brave cairn]

ah yeah, confusing names lol

[honest halo]

well even so. if your lush beneath could be published separately from this pack when its done I would be interested in using it

[brave cairn]

that's just one biome, I'm doing more too

[honest halo]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT

[brave cairn]

biomes are fun to make

vanilla has what, 5?

I'll aim for a similar number

[honest halo]

you gonna release it as a standalone?

Or will I have to pull it out of tfg?

[brave cairn]

idk how to do it standalone lol

I still need to try making my own mod though, there's a few things I can't do with just jsons and kubejs

I guess I could put everything into that 🤔

[honest halo]

I mean, even if its all just kubejs

thats basically a data pack right?

[brave cairn]

kind of? kubejs is a mod that lets you write "datapacks" programmatically - but I'm pretty sure its presence requires you to publish it as a mod

otherwise everything would have to be a json file

which would be pretty tedious lol

[elder niche]

damn

[brave cairn]

https://mineinabyss.com/

[elder niche]

yeah i think i see that

[brave cairn]

unrelated but how do we feel about making graphite common but only spawn way down near the bottom of the world? that's how it is in normal tfc, it forces you to actually explore caves

or maybe something else like redstone

[brave cairn]

HUH

[coral vault]

I mean irl graphite is just produced, not really mined. Coke is heated up at high temperaturea to rearrange carbon layers

Redstone would probably be a better option imo

[exotic wraith]

AW FUCK YEAH

@low gate thank you 💜

Once I'm back home from vacation I'm adding ArborFirmaCraft boats

[brave cairn]

irl is also way past the bronze/iron age

anyway uh

now that tfg-core is open source... now what?

[coral vault]

Could just throw coke back in the coke oven

How many uses are there for graphite in the pack besides for kaolin?

[worthy tusk]

@prime sonnet yooo open sourced let's goooo

[prime sonnet]

HELL YEAH

[brave cairn]

you use it for graphene which is used in.. IV? LuV? I can't remember

but also, it's kind of a big part of tfc progression

it's like saying "why do we have to go on a journey for kaolin when there's many other kinds of fire clay you can make at home?"

the point isn't the material, it's the journey

it's game design

[coral vault]

The point is the friends we make along the way

I agree tho. I don't really think it needs to be changed tho. Unless I was just lucky I've never had trouble finding graphite

[exotic wraith]

Simple

We fork off it

And start working on our stuff

You have to use modding to do something specific on mars

[prime sonnet]

well i can test out the changes im making finally

[exotic wraith]

I need to integrate ArborFirmaCraft with FirmaCiv

Captaingold can do that

Now that we have a base the possibilities are quite literally limitless

[prime sonnet]

and i can also start looking into making the food recipes not scuffed

but it’d have to be on tuesday, i’m swamped till then

[brave cairn]

before the recent indicator changes, "where do I find graphite" was one of the most common questions in here lol