Adding space to TFG

[honest heart]

so

i guess the best time is now

[exotic anvil]

regardless any changes between 0.7 and 0.8 would be far less egregious than the quest book giving completely inaccurate information

same for 0.7 and 0.9

so yeah, i don't see any reason to delay it, it's far overdue 💀

[calm plinth]

I wonder if gtceu has had any quest refactors in the meantime

[exotic anvil]

we might also consider bringing in the tips and tricks section

it has some nice information but it's just not there

no clue why

[honest heart]

since the primitive quests arenot related to space i'll move my talk to #1331744604701069393

[calm plinth]

interesting, if you remove water from oceans, the generated icebergs don't know where to "stop" so they just keep going down lol

🤔 haven't figured out what controls the snow

but I made a little c# script that replaces vanilla biomes with mine. So now it's correctly following rivers

lol, apparently you can find photos in vanilla loot tables

cool

next question is deciding how to split up all these vanilla biomes lol. There's 50 of em

what I got so far. If I can have it programmatically create biomes that might help a lot too

I'm also thinking of having both "warm/temperate" versions and "cold" versions so I can put snow on them for mars' "ice caps" (I can't do north/south poles like how tfc does it so it's just gonna be snowy blobs like vanilla, gomen)

[stray whale]

I've never messed around with world generation yet, but terralith does some crazy stuff with just data packs. Looks fun

[calm plinth]

honestly vanilla world gen without any of the vanilla stuff on it looks pretty unrecognisable

either that or I'm too used to looking at tfc worldgen lol

terralith is cool but it also adds even more biomes. Which isn't what I want lol

[stray whale]

Oh, nah. I wasn't suggesting to install terralith I was just pointing out how crazy you can go with data packs now a days

[calm plinth]

oh yeah totally

I mean, technically speaking, kubejs is basically a datapack lol

like I've been using it to override some vanilla textures, make new blocks, override ad astra defaults, etc just through the presence of json files

it's pretty neat

so much easier than what I imagine modding was like in ye olde days

[stray whale]

I don't know how much you can control but irl Mars has insane height variation. Including the largest mountain in the solar system. Would be cool if mars had some massive plateus

[calm plinth]

hm, there is this section.....

    "noise": {
        "min_y": -64,
        "height": 384,
        "size_horizontal": 1,
        "size_vertical": 2
    }```

(this is the vanilla defaults)

might look into how to just, shift the world up a lot so there's less underground and more overground if that makes sense?

[stray whale]

yeah. might have to play around with it too. just for funzies

[calm plinth]

or just set min_y to something smaller and the height and size_vertical to something bigger lol

don't wanna fuck with the actual noise function because it's full of math and I hate math

[stray whale]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-wes-bentley-christopher-nolan-planet-miller-wave-gif-4004943

[calm plinth]

by default ad astra comes with its own noise function which is the same for all its planets

which is good for boring flat areas (like the moon!)

but bad if you want mountains

[stray whale]

yeah which is weird since the smaller the body is the less flat it is. planets arent deserts, more like platues and valleys

[calm plinth]

so are you saying mercury should be even more mountainous?

[stray whale]

murcury would be but its so close to the sun its surface has been work down from solar winds

[calm plinth]

alright

less work for me lol

[stray whale]

lol

[calm plinth]

default mercury looks like this

[stray whale]

does ad astra let you make custom planets or moons?

[calm plinth]

yep you can make whatever you want

solar systems, planets, moons, sky renderers, whatever

[stray whale]

I would love to explore Io. moon filled with sulfuric geysers and caverns

[calm plinth]

problem is that it's thematically too close to venus

from a gameplay/design perspective I want to keep the planets all feeling unique

[stray whale]

murcury or io?

io is one of jupiters moons

[calm plinth]

io

[stray whale]

oh i see

[calm plinth]

mercury is basically gonna be the nether, lol, lava and fire and shit like that everywhere

[stray whale]

fair

[calm plinth]

venus.. ad astra comes built in with acid rain. So my idea was to try and encourage people to build underground instead

[stray whale]

would be cool if mercury had a usage in power production

[calm plinth]

I mean it's the obvious solar candidate

[stray whale]

maybe a "dyson sphere" machine. that could some how keep track of launched dyson sphere panels

[calm plinth]

ad astra comes with its own solar panels which are configurable per planet thankfully. So I can make them good on the moon and shit on earth/venus for example

[stray whale]

mars would be worse

[calm plinth]

yeah

[stray whale]

logically venus would be better than earth, but maybe we could have an excuse to prioritize another power production

[calm plinth]

we'll have to do some play testing to balance them but for now I did:
earth: 0.5A of LV
moon, moon orbit, earth orbit: 1A of MV
mars: 0.25A of LV
mars orbit: 2A LV (0.5 MV)

[calm plinth]

venus is covered in clouds

[stray whale]

maybe wind turbines? idk if gtceu machine builder lets you do custom animations

[calm plinth]

for mars?

[stray whale]

" the normal wind speed is around 224 miles per hour (360 kph)"

venus

[calm plinth]

ah

[stray whale]

wind is kinda boring tho.. hmm

[calm plinth]

someone here was suggesting geothermal for venus

[stray whale]

i think geothermal for mars

[calm plinth]

idea being there's generated spicy blocks that you'd have to build your machine on top of

[stray whale]

since it doesnt have any other good source

[calm plinth]

I mean... there's nothing stopping you from setting up a create tree farm and doing benzene again lol

but that would be boring

would geothermal work for mars? last I looked, it wasn't very tectonically active

since that's its whole reason why it has no atmosphere

[stray whale]

isnt gt adding fission? could have mars be the source of starting fission

[stray whale]

yeah, not really

[calm plinth]

the idea was to put heavy water on mars to make the nano circuits - if fission is added any time soon, that'd be perfect

[stray whale]

weird that they added fusion first

yeah most sources say that human colonies on mars will be like 99% nuclear since its all that is feasible

[calm plinth]

probably because it's easier to have it as "the endgame power", as opposed to trying to balance it with HOG and all that

[stray whale]

fair

[calm plinth]

also cuz you use fusion to make scifi elements too lol

[stray whale]

could honestly just make a custom multiblock... but last i heard its getting added soon

[calm plinth]

soon™️

it's gonna take a bit until mars is done anyway so I'm not in a rush lol

[tepid wind]

this might be something you've already done or thought about but what if you had to go to the moon to get to the next stages of space even if you have already finished most of the Modpack, such as in ZPM

like there's a crystal that only is obtainable on the moon which is required for the next tier of rocket

[woeful kernel]

I think this is expected yep

honestly the more I think about it the less I'm convinced about having mercury in at all. mostly my reasoning is while mercury does have a lot of evidence of volcanism they are presumed to be extremely old and wouldn't be actively volcanic anymore, from what I know it's more similar to the moon than anything with a very very thin atmosphere and a shitton of craters

I just feel like it'd be pretty boring

if anything I feel like venus should be like the nether alongside the acid rain and heavy fog atmosphere

just extremely inhospitable

[calm plinth]

then people are gonna ask why mercury isn't in the game

I think it's ok to bend the rules a bit

I already put life on the moon

mars is gonna have dinosaurs

etc. My rough design plan is that venus would force you underground because of the acid rain (which is damage you can't mitigate btw except by having blocks overhead), and then it would have a bunch of underground biomes you could explore and stuff. So the whole undergroundness would make it feel pretty unique in that way

[calm plinth]

at the moment the only "required" thing the moon has is ae2 🤔 I could move the alum/bauxite/ilmenite veins there - in base gtceu those are exclusive to the end, which is at the same place the moon is, in terms of progression

[steep bolt]

if alum is in moon you can't get to mv without moon, but you wanted moon to be hv?

[calm plinth]

there's many ways to get aluminium without aluminium ore

alum ore is just the easiest

electrolyze a bunch of sapphire/ruby to get an mv electrolyzer which then unlocks everything else is normal gtceu progression

then you can just go dig up one of the fuckhuge lapis veins

[steep bolt]

hm... i suppose.

[calm plinth]

I did make sapphire way way more common now so that should help lol

(it used to be almost realgar levels of rare, outside of the tiny little clumps of sapphire by itself)

[high obsidian]

I don’t know what’s your philosophy but I feel like it would be even cooler if Ad Astra is optional

You can get Tantalite/Topaz/Monazite/Naquadah or Ender Air and Nether Air

But all of that should only be an help if you have the will to setup an energy system and the infrastructures

But it would still be doable by only stating on overworld

So to upgrade your rocket and go to later planets tiers you wouldn’t need to go to the ones before

For example if Mars has bed rock Tantalite let’s say

I never went to the moon because I didn’t need what was on the moon but I feel that Tantalite may be a big help then I go directly to mars

In a way I feel we would feel less this redundant aspect of Ad Astra. I’m not going to a planet because I’m forced I’m going because it’s gonna ease my life on some ressources or processes.

[calm plinth]

you can get infinite tantalite from lava

either way I don't think it would be possible to make space "optional but worthwhile" without either nerfing the base recipes hard or making the space ones stupidly OP

but also keeping space interesting instead of "go here to mine"

[high obsidian]

Tentalite from lava would still be way slower and needing more energy

but if you want to have space mandatory then yeah it's definitely about unlocking technology to have process chain over there but I would also keep easy access to some ressources

A processing chains that could be interesting to keep space mandatory while not having instant teleportations would be to make a components that we use on an other process chain on the overworld with a cunsumption chance?

[calm plinth]

the main thing you do in space is craft circuits - you could technically skip them because of how gregtech works, like going straight from micro to quantum

[high obsidian]

oh really

I didn't understand you wanted to gate circuits behind planets

interesting

[calm plinth]

Yes, the crystal/wetware circuits will have the planets themed to them!

[high obsidian]

That's cool are you planning to modify the process or simply locking the recipe behind biome/dimension?

[calm plinth]

modify the process!

[high obsidian]

That’s very cool! I guess it’s for later on but I’m excited for that

Especially if it has new cute multiblocks 👀

[honest heart]

I assume the crystal and wetware planets are not part of the solar system right @calm plinth ?

[calm plinth]

wetware definitely not, crystal undecided - it might be europa, it might be somewhere else

[honest heart]

Wetware is which voltage level?

[calm plinth]

zpm

so it's the last circuits

[honest heart]

The groups if thyere real

[calm plinth]

hm!

[high obsidian]

If Ambiental poses issues on planets that's why I thought about switching

and I guess Cold Sweat can easily be config if you want some specific blocks to be cold or hot but that's more niche

Ambiental already makes GT machines quite hot when running though

[calm plinth]

yeah you can add stuff to ambiental but it's only through code

that's how it does the gt coils

[calm plinth]

teeny tiny earth next to phobos/diemos

[honest heart]

epic...

[honest heart]

fuck now that youre doing that i want to add doom demons to those moons

[calm plinth]

wtf is that sticker lol

[honest heart]

a shitting pain elemental from doom

dont ask

fr tho i know theres a mod that adds doom demons to the nether, having some of those in phobos and deimos would be funny (albeit a bit out there... probably as out there as having bunnies in the moon, even if i know thats a japanese culture callback)

[calm plinth]

I mean I'm not making those tiny ass moons visitable lol they're just decorations in the sky

[calm plinth]

ackshually it's a lot of east asia

[honest heart]

understandable

[calm plinth]

ad astra adds these decorations

[honest heart]

inb4 i make the nether accessible by doing a complicated quest of opening a slipgate to the nether and you need to defeat a cyberdemon

jk

i dont have that kind of perseverance

[steep bolt]

🎶 bitcrunched metal music starts playing 🎶

[honest heart]

TFG mars be like

[calm plinth]

I did think about a sandworm lol

I'll have to revisit the idea after I get more of the worldgen done lol

[patent girder]

Sandworms are a fun conzept

[steep bolt]

dune it up in this planet yea

[calm plinth]

well I'll have to see if that one in the video actually works properly - I did come across it when I was looking a week or two ago

[vagrant ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqx-DgdeuMI

hehe

ahahah wtf. Imagine this on OF server
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0MyNOvaE8g

[iron iron]

how many planets are you going to add ??

[calm plinth]

check the OP

[steady briar]

i watched this video

insane work

they implemented rayleigh scattering and everything to their planets

and all orbits were accurate at 1/1000 their irl counterparts or smth like that

[vagrant ravine]

space starts in HV before AE tho

[calm plinth]

yeah but going there and back isn't really "space age"

[honest heart]

the groupings post voltaic was placed after talking with pyritite on how the gt progression worked

since i dont have much knowledge on that mod

[vagrant ravine]

true

[wild elbow]

EV: Mars. Something here to let you craft nano circuits. Lots of iron. A new atmosphere you can get gases from. I need more ideas for here!
Meteoric Iron. Mars has enough gravitational pull to pull down a significant number of impacts but not enough atmosphere to burn them up. Or perhaps instead of meteoric iron being the resource you want, its magnetics are instead an impediment and blocks ore scanners. People getting into HV will probably be quite happy with their ore scanners. Taking them away again (situationally) offers gameplay challenges.

LuV: Gregtech gets scifi here, so I think it's ok if we make up some planets here too, and say you can use quantum to invent a warp drive or something like that. The circuits here are "crystal", so the planet can have a lot of that on it. Maybe it could be cold or oceanic? I need ideas for how the crystal circuit crafting could work here.
Planet X/kuiper belt. Something about sublimination in near-0-kelvin atmospheres. Or the kuiper belt provides some sort of spectroscopic filtering but just enough sunlight (still 0.000001% of earth or something) to trigger some critical reaction when the crystals are left out exposed to the sun for long enough.

If you really want to gate the crafting, make it a requirement that an atmosphere be introduced because (handwave) the crystals need an inert atmosphere to prevent other unwanted reactions. Then players would have to scale up noble gas production based on centrifuging earth atmosphere. (Optional: Gas giant atmospheres or another space object could be a quicker/easier path)

[calm plinth]

I was thinking of just putting heavy water on mars for the nano circuits (replacing glowstone currently), it could also double as coolant for fission if it's added any time soon (and if it isn't, we can add something)

I would prefer to create new challenges instead of having people go through things they already solved twice

as for the noble gases, I think just adding orbits around the gas giants should be good enough? then I can put different mixtures on each

as for the iron thing, mars itself natively has a shit ton of hematite so you don't need anything special

[knotty basin]

hello I would like to know if it is possible for you to help me I would like to make a stylish moon like you did but I can't do it I would like to do tests just with ad astra ect but it doesn't work the moon stays the same or it makes me crash

sorry for ping

[calm plinth]

can you be more specific?

like, what does your log say

[knotty basin]

basically I would like to fari like you but I have no knowledge and I would like to do it in a simpler way like with ad astra so that I can understand the basics because I am lost I am starting

is to create a planet based on a dimension it also crashes me with code 0 is no mod that could crash except the code but I have nothing left because I would like if you would guide me for it's two requests

[calm plinth]

you need to read your log file, it's at logs/latest.log

[knotty basin]

you can give me the instructions to create a planet and where to put the files because I really have no basis with kubejs ?

[calm plinth]

https://ad-astra.terrarium.wiki/planet-api

try asking on the ad astra server as well, I'm not gonna spoonfeed you everything

[calm plinth]

question:
how do we feel about adding the waypoints mod, for like, EV/IV/whatever you get quantum stars

just for player convenience. Having to launch your rocket every single time you wanna go back and forth sounds like it'd get very tedious, and you can't use waypoints for logistics

[lone cradle]

i think integrating that more with the pack would be better, maybe a portal you have to sustain with energy or smth like that ?

[calm plinth]

if such a thing is possible that'd be even better

or at least like, needing to build up power to send you

[neon sage]

what would be used for logistics?

doesn't ae2 have something for long distance networks?

idk if it works across dimensions

[calm plinth]

it does but it's also very OP

ideally I want some sort of rocket logstics system - give something fuel, a (reusable) rocket, and your items, and it sends them to a "destination" thing on another planet

as far as I can tell though, no such mod already exists, so we'd have to make it ourselves

[neon sage]

damn

[calm plinth]

so then you'd have to automate rocket fuel and stuff on each planet, which is a nice little puzzle. Very inspired by factorio dlc lol

[lone cradle]

i love that idea

[vagrant ravine]

stargate? ahah

[vagrant ravine]

quantum rings

[honest heart]

I really like this idea

Would be a very neat Ad Astra Addon

[calm plinth]

it'd be cool if it was a greg multiblock but if it's a separate addon that could also work

[vagrant ravine]

we have something like this in greg rockets i think

maybe we can keep both dk

[honest heart]

didnt we remove gregticality rocketry in favor of ad astra?

[calm plinth]

yes

but

if it does actually have that, we can just... not use any of it except that feature I guess lol

[honest heart]

true

[vagrant ravine]

yeah

[vagrant ravine]

i think , we PLANNED to do this when we finish the ad astra, but for now it's in the pack, isn't it?

[honest heart]

yup

[vagrant ravine]

maybe it's even cool, because I wanted to keep different things like Dysons swarm and etc

[calm plinth]

do they even work? even with updated gcry?

[vagrant ravine]

updated gt? what is this lol

ahah

[stray whale]

What about tempad?

[vagrant ravine]

damn. True

very high-tech + easy to lock behinde crafts

[calm plinth]

never used it, what's it do?

[steep bolt]

tempad is just a teleport thing for the player i don't think that's what you want really

could just use AE2 quantum link chambers for item transport but that would be rather OP for tfg

[calm plinth]

no, I'm putting the quantum ring at the end of space because of how much it trivialises space logistics

[calm plinth]

ah, yeah I think I like waystones more - better for servers and also lets you use them if you die and need to get back

[lone cradle]

i guess its about how tedious we want space exploration to be but having teleportation means primitive age is really the only moment in the pack you should be careful at all, i still dont have a balanced way to solve that but im against tp

[calm plinth]

I was thinking of making the waystones require a quantum star, which I think is EV at the earliest?

you'll already need to have a backup space suit if you wanna recover your stuff on a different planet

[lone cradle]

its hard for me to get a sense of scale here, im still very early into hv and everything rely on the recipes balance here. what i feel is we dont have much of gameplay constraints at this level, the most dominant being "greg it up" as a tier requirement, im against a tp mod because it will remove all gameplay design possibilities

[calm plinth]

I mean the alternative is we make people use their rocket every time they want to go between planets, but I remember reading the factorio devlog and how one thing that came up very early is how good it felt to be able to do almost everything remotely no matter which planet you were physically on

now, this isn't factorio, but the closest thing would just be player teleportation

my main concern is just stuff like, needing to run back and forth while setting up automation on another planet but oops you forgot this thing. And oops you forgot this other thing. And every time you have to sit through a rocket countdown and animation

That being said I agree that this would be awful for balance for most of the game

but by the time you're in space, you're already about over halfway? and you have to fly to places initially to even put down a waypoint in the first place

for context you've already basically got creative flight in the overworld at that point

[lone cradle]

i get your point but even if you have creative flight in the overworld, if you forgot to take your wrench, you do the flying back and worth

how about your ship is an actual dimension and you can enter/leave it, upgrade it ? Im thinking about how the nomadic tents works ?

[calm plinth]

that sounds like a whole mod

but yeah it's too early to even do any play testing yet

we'll see how that goes first

[lone cradle]

yep, i agree, thats not an important issue for now

[wooden garden]

you should add cool structures onto the planets

maybe hav a little bit of alien sorta stuff

and a bossfight? could be cool ")

:)

[calm plinth]

this is not a boss fight sort of modpack

there are some "alien" mobs though, but they're more to make the planets more visually interesting and less to be a significant challenge

[high obsidian]

When would you want to unlock tp?

I think a good middle ground would be to lock it behind a multiblock and further in space progression

We could have a multiblock with a recipe to create an item unlocking the waystone that you could only run on mars orbit for example

a big thing of TerrafirmaCraft is planning your travel

that would be sad to lose this philosophy of TFC right at the begining of space travel

but a big thing of GT philosophy is to unlock huge QoL the further you go

so a good compromise would be to unlock waystone further in space progression after building a complex multiblock or process

[lone cradle]

Pyritie said "I was thinking of making the waystones require a quantum star, which I think is EV at the earliest?"

[high obsidian]

which seems quite early to me

but I don't remember when he wanted to have the begining of space exploration so

[lone cradle]

HV i think ? I talked about moving the start of ae2 to the moon ?

following the logic, EV is mars i guess

[calm plinth]

yeah HV is moon EV is mars

I can move it later, it's not a problem

[calm plinth]

lol what if I made the waystone recipe require a rocket and remodel it too

[iron iron]

no waystones

[ivory vortex]

if youll add it then make it look ev/iv-ish

[queen bone]

is there a general planned release date

[lone cradle]

no

[calm plinth]

some time after 0.9 is all I can say

[calm plinth]

found a "showcase" of the sandworm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FrlTJbkDFo

I'm totally adding this now lmao

[honest heart]

Ok this is actually sick

Mars sandworm

🗣️

[honest heart]

Idk why but I kinda like the idea of adding bosses outside of earth such as a sandworm

Altho that might just clash too hard

[calm plinth]

I'm ok with it if they're strictly optional

[high obsidian]

I thought about an idea for teleportation

But having a structure working the same way as a fusion reactor with energy would be a nice solution for that

Huge price to open the gate and a continuous amount of energy to keep it open

But that would be a bother to implement

[calm plinth]

isn't that just a stargate? lol

[high obsidian]

Does the stargate consummes energy to stay up?

[calm plinth]

I believe that's how it works

[ancient plover]

that's how the gates worked a few minecraft versions back and i don't think its changed. the energy amount by default was not that high but it was a config option i think

[high obsidian]

I guess a Stargate could be a good option then

It gives a bit of Star T or GTNH vibe lol

[calm plinth]

I wasn't proposing a stargate lol

[high obsidian]

A Stargate or something else

[calm plinth]

https://modrinth.com/mod/dimensional-item-cannons

someone found this

I'll have to check it out but it sounds like it would be perfect

[honest heart]

oh this is fucking hot

just

blast it to another dimension

[calm plinth]

I do want to remodel it to look like a rocket launcher or something lol

or at least a bit more high tech

[honest heart]

more grounded tech or less sci-fi tech

because this looks more sci-fi than anything

[calm plinth]

does it? it's just a big cannon

[honest heart]

oh its fucking tiny

i thought it was a massive railgun sort of thing

boo

[high obsidian]

this is funny as hell

[wooden garden]

pyritie you should add muskets

for a cooler reason to make gunpowder

[calm plinth]

there's already a tfc gun mod

[wooden garden]

rlly?

add it!!!!!!

[wooden garden]

or if its added and i just havent noticed it pls tell me lol

[pseudo sand]

id love stargate as a interdim tp option lategame

i dont like gtnh making it the very last goal cuz it means ill never hav it lol

also is space gonna be in 0.7 or for 0.9 only

oh after 0.9

[calm plinth]

0.7 is not getting any more updates

but you should be able to keep your worlds

[vagrant ravine]

From StaTech modpack

[high obsidian]

Sky of Grind also had great space implementation

but at this point it's really expending GT

and the base is a skyblock

[toxic gale]

stargate TP would be awesome

just dont make it needed to forceload the chunk before TPing, kinda ruins the purpose of the TP in TFG

[mortal bison]

i just thought how cool would it be if you could craft a clone

i know this is getting in the realm of actually making mods and not just compiling them into a modpack

but imagine if you could craft a clone/mech and send that to space

and you could log on that clone so that going to space is more like controlling a obot

it would make space stuff alot more uh remote

and significantly more practical

then you could like send stuff up or back to earth via a cago only launch pads

it would be a very unique take on space exploration

obviously that crafting mech would be an entirely new project on its own, seperate to making the rocket

the controller of which would most definitely feel like it deserves the first ever mainframe to be crafted

but gating space that far is very appropriate for a pack that literally starts you off hitting rocks together

[gray tangle]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zjsUSMacF9s

[gray tangle]

Something like that would be cool, I used to use it

[mortal bison]

seems outdatedd

[gray tangle]

yes that's true had hopes there is a new version but unfortunately I couldn't find any

but the mod is cool maybe someone find something similar.
If the concept fits

[calm plinth]

I appreciate the suggestions, I'll look through them whenever I get back to space stuff

[bleak spear]

I mean factorio has remote control and bots

[serene dome]

oh but it was such a old mod

it's even from mmo tho

damn it bring back the memorys

[proven kite]

What change?

[buoyant hinge]

это было бы очень круто и удобно но реализовать это будет сложно

[calm plinth]

god that intro felt so dated then I looked at when the video was posted

[high obsidian]

Pyritie GTMUtilities added a multi for wireless energy transmission that could be useful for space progression

https://github.com/NegaNote/GregTech-Modern-Utilities

[calm plinth]

is it interdimensionally wireless?

[high obsidian]

It is

It’s a multiblock and should be customizable to use fluids

[calm plinth]

might be cool for very lategame, I bookmarked it

[high obsidian]

Yup! That’s what I thought

[proven kite]

Is space still in work?

[calm plinth]

yes

[proven kite]

Nice eee I will wait haha

[stray whale]

Here's an idea that I had:

• Deep underground the pressure is so intense that minerals will be melted by water. Then water travels up through geysers and can leave rich deposits of native ore depending on the chemical composition of the water. For example sulfur enables the dissolving of iron compounds like pyrite. But gold does not react will sulfur and stays out of solution. These formations are called epithermal vein deposits https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epithermal_vein_deposit.
• I think it would be cool if you had to tap into slurry coming out of geysers and hot springs and separate out different metal solutions. Then process those separated solutions into metal ingot.

[calm plinth]

that sounds like it'd fit well on venus, since it's still geologically active and hot enough for liquids

[stray whale]

I agree. Could involve a lot of geothermal energy too

Maybe liquid sodium powered turbines 👀

[high obsidian]

Would that be an infinite way to get ressources ?

[calm plinth]

sure why not

[high obsidian]

I like the idea that each planets has a different system for infinite ressource

[stray whale]

Could be separated into two tiers

[calm plinth]

"infinite resources but you have to do something interesting" is cool

[stray whale]

You have to start by having finite recources, but then unlock an infinite way of collecting them

[high obsidian]

That’s how I think we should implement it

[stray whale]

👍

[high obsidian]

How would it be finite at start ? A need for a catalyst ?

[stray whale]

Or maybe you have to pump up the liquid but then you unlock a way to pump out of "source nodes" that are infinite

[high obsidian]

It would be like oil sprout from vanilla GT?

[stray whale]

A little

[high obsidian]

I mean with a better design

[stray whale]

Yeah

[high obsidian]

It would be important to blacklist it from create infinite pool right away

[high obsidian]

I’m finishing the quests today and will get onto proposing a processing lines for the rocket T1 and T2 after

[high obsidian]

Good memory from the Yellowstone

[calm plinth]

it's a whitelist, so it's not a problem

[high obsidian]

Oh really I thought that was the opposite

[stray whale]

Also idk anything about ad astra yet. Are there astroid fields? Might be cool to at a dimension like the end islands but they look like astroids

[calm plinth]

I was thinking of doing that for the gas giants, since you can't land on them

I also have an idea for something fun for mercury...

[stray whale]

Making everything out of cinnabar? And being constantly poisoned?

[calm plinth]

lol

basically, since the ideas is you'd unlock mercury and venus at the same time, I think coming up with enough stuff to keep both planets interesting will be tricky

so instead, I was thinking venus can be the main "content" planet (since it has unique mechanics like acid rain and liquids and geothermal stuff) whereas mercury is basically... the moon but hot.

So for mercury, what if... https://wiki.factorio.com/images/Shattered_planet.png

we blow it up.

essentially, make it a mining dimension with stupidly rich ores, but mining machines don't work so you have to do it by hand, and everything's in a bunch of floating blobs so you have to parkour around with low grav, grappling hooks, and so on

[woeful kernel]

collapses for days?

[calm plinth]

kind of "how we can have a mining dimension that's actually kinda fun"

[woeful kernel]

that sounds ridiculous and amazing haha

[stray whale]

Mercury always catching strays 😔

[woeful kernel]

i would indeed love a dimension that's just kinda crumbling apart and tfc's mechanics make it hazardous to mine on just on its own

very unique approach to danger

[high obsidian]

that's such a cool idea

[stray whale]

I still think whatever planet we get wetware at should involve the spoiling mechanics. But we either need to get ISP working with gtceu or think of a solution that doesn't involve gtceu machines

[high obsidian]

like food?

[stray whale]

I do have an idea of a possible hacky fix

[calm plinth]

yeah I was thinking the same, essentially the gleba of TFG

[stray whale]

Wet ware circuits are alive, so basically what if they, or their components could spoil

[high obsidian]

not gonna lie that would be awful to play with

as a GT player

[stray whale]

Gleba 😩 big spiders pls

[calm plinth]

I don't think the circuits should ever spoil lol, that's too evil

but the components? absolutely

[high obsidian]

SMD Components?

[woeful kernel]

yeah the entire point is that a wetware circuit is self-contained and basically a living creature

[stray whale]

Unless there is a way to keep them from spoiling

[calm plinth]

as in, the parts you use to craft them

[woeful kernel]

so getting to that point, the individual 'organs' should definitely spoil

[high obsidian]

We already have an hard time making food with GT machines

I'm a bit afraid of implementing GT components that spoil

I'm not sure it would be fun to play with or if there is some kind of containment so they don't spoil then that's just a question of putting a Storage Bus on it

and call it a day

[woeful kernel]

gleba was really interesting in factorio because it meant that your lines had to become 100% throughput focused instead of relying on oversupplying

idk if that would transfer over nicely to greg, true

[stray whale]

Airrice I know you were looking at getting tfc itemStackProviders working with gtceu too. I had an idea that I havent gotten to test yet. You know how ISPs work like nbt, but aren't nbt? What if we just right some java code that gives ISPs nbt data? It would check if it's spoiled. And then just give it a custom nbt tag called "spoiled"

[high obsidian]

if it's just the in between process that can spoils then you just do an on demand like with Requester

which il already a gregtech issue

[woeful kernel]

that would be the most hackiest method but it would definitely work

the dream is we can get some kind of wrapper to calculate what an ISP output for a recipe should be and then pass that on as a recipe's output arbitrarily for any GT machine

I think that was what screret suggested we do

[stray whale]

I worked for hours getting it to work in a non hacky way. I even got it actually working with recipes. But jei would crash since it couldn't understand what was going on

[woeful kernel]

ahhh

yeah that's about what I expected lol

[stray whale]

Tfc fault, not gtceu surprisingly

[high obsidian]

For infinite ores on moon it could be Helium and stone dust to get some metals

So at first you will need to drill moon dust before later on you can automate the creation of moon dust

and it becomes fully passive infinite

that's also extremely simple

Do you think it would be possible to get meteorite on mars?

that could be processed

like it was on Galacticraft

[calm plinth]

what do you mean by get meteorite?

[calm plinth]

I don't know that much about galacticraft except it being the main inspiration for ad astra, but if it's just a magic multiblock that generates resources out of nothing, it sounds kinda boring

like.. the bedrock miners already do that, and they come with a mini puzzle of being spread out so you'll want to transport them all somewhere central

as well as making them drilling fluid? idk how they work

[high obsidian]

You basically get a block that falls from the sky with an explosion

That’s no more different from pumping a liquid or putting bedrock miner I don’t follow you?

Bedrock miners are especially boring because you get ores right away. And I don’t know if I would call putting long distance pipe a puzzle.

In Gregtech a puzzle is more of a processing line the way I see it

[calm plinth]

oh, so it sorta "pulls down" a meteor to the surface?

[calm plinth]

well you have to figure out how to automate lubricant and how to automate the consumable to ship it back to earth - I think it's fine if we keep the moon kinda simple, sorta like in LV where you don't have to worry about power as much because you're just learning how everything works

[high obsidian]

Yeah basically in Galacticraft you had them coming down from the sky (i think they were spawning directly on the ground) with a small explosion and you had to collect them to get the ressources used to craft the next rocket. The way I see it it could have ultra dense ressources that you extract with a processing line working only on mars

It’s kinda funny because it makes a « danger », you have to explore around a bit to find some and you get to make a new processing line

Thats also the finite way to make ressources before an other one for infinite

[high obsidian]

I like the idea of using helium and stone dust

That’s simple and easy

You would need one centrifuge to get helium from moon dust and one other machine to mix helium and stone dust and get your ressources

[calm plinth]

I'm against anything that could blow people's bases up randomly

[high obsidian]

To have it infinite it would be 2 more machines

[high obsidian]

It could spawn only on mars stones

Blacklisting any blocks that isn’t raw mars ground

I also hate seing my base explodes without reason

But you keep the funny aspect of walking and boum 💥

Something explodes close to you

[calm plinth]

🤔 sounds like something that isn't really automatable?

[high obsidian]

I thought that was the idea

Venus liquids to pump are not automatable either

You have two methods to generate the ressources, the first one isn’t infinite but finite

Then later on you get an infinite one

[calm plinth]

my thought for the geysers is that they'd spawn with some kind of unobtainable block that would then be considered part of a multiblock, so you'd have to build on top of it

[high obsidian]

So they would be infinite right away?

[calm plinth]

you're jumping too far ahead lol, who knows what the multiblock would even take to craft

[high obsidian]

Honestly it doesn’t feel good like beginning by pumping the liquid then later on obtaining an unlimited one

To be fair it’s unclear what you want

I thought you were okay to have a finite then an infinite ressources generation

But at the same time you don’t really want to modify ores veins or you are fine with having most ores obtaining from the beginning

What’s gonna happen is players will always take the easy path

[calm plinth]

I never said I wasn't?

[high obsidian]

They won’t bother to automate some kind of ressources transportation if they can put a large miner in the overworld

You don need that much ressources

[high obsidian]

Im lost 🥲

[calm plinth]

you're jumping to conclusions way too fast lol

[high obsidian]

Your emphasis is on transportation that I understand

[calm plinth]

I emphasize it because you keep dismissing it, saying it's way too easy

I do want to keep to the GT philosophy of painful at first, easy later

yes we can totally make the Venus stuff limited until you do some process that lets you make the thing that makes it unlimited

[high obsidian]

I think it’s hard to make it an interesting mechanic because players always take the easy path

That’s why I try to propose ideas that force players to go passive

Because if it’s passive they have no choices that to use transport method

First for themselves then for the machines

So what about using helium and stone dust for ores on the moon?

We could even make it so infinite helium is make on orbit so to get the first unlimited ores you would need to transport the helium from the orbit to the moon then the ores from the moon to the overworld

It does maybe sound a bit much but if it’s unlimited copper/tin maybe that would be okay?

[calm plinth]

how would you get infinite helium in the vacuum of space? 🤔

[high obsidian]

Even though you can be sure that early game players may just use Super Chest and do small trips to grab everything

[high obsidian]

It’s a new technology that drills the ground of the moon from further away

You missed it in the last Apple Keynote ?

[calm plinth]

[high obsidian]

Who cares if it’s realistic I was just trying to force the players to use transportation method

If you prefer it can be a rock crusher on the moon I mean

Well even bedrock miners if that’s what you want

I gonna go back to finishing my quests

Damn I just notice I still don’t have the power back

[calm plinth]

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVIMTrVg4=/?share_link_id=966236526971

I made this to keep track of what we've got so far

lmk if I forgot something, I'm sure I did

[honest heart]

based

i like modpacks that let you get creative level stuff at end game

even if i've NEVER reached ANY modpack's endgame

[high obsidian]

Well you know what you want to do. As a Gregtech player it’s hard to understand for me but maybe I’m missing something.

[calm plinth]

I am also a gregtech player

this list isn't exhaustive, it's just for reference

things can be changed, added, removed, etc

[high obsidian]

Well I will surely follow your lead and see how it goes because until now I think most your ideas even the one I didn’t believe into went well if not very well

I can’t wait for us to continue a bit more on the server

[calm plinth]

lol which part?

my main design goal isn't "make gregtech longer" but more "add other stuff in between that isn't just pure gregtech to stop people burning out"

like it'll naturally be a bit longer as we have to add stuff here and there

but imo I do still want tfg to be reasonable to complete, lol

[high obsidian]

No I’m speaking for the stuffs like Greate or the redoing of ULV age

Im saying that there is stuffs you proposed and made that I didn’t think would work

And finally I like them while playing

It’s more of a compliment 😅

[honest heart]

Average design moment

"players dont know what they want ahh statement" (its true)

[high obsidian]

Not always

[calm plinth]

lol so true

[honest heart]

The duality of mankind

[calm plinth]

ah that's what you mean, gotcha

[high obsidian]

Last time I heard this sentence was when some Blizzard executive said that about Classic Wow

Finally years later they launch Classic Wow and had to mea culpa ever saying this ahah

[honest heart]

As a professional game designer i agree that players dont know what they want. Definetly fits me as well when i'm playing

[woeful kernel]

yeah, the important is part is that they do know what they're interested in but not what they're explicitly looking for

[stray whale]

Correct me if I'm wrong on the plan:

• HV: Moon -> Mars
• EV: Mercury + Venus
• IV: Jupiter?
• LuV: Saturn?
• ZPM: Uranus?
• UV: Neptune
• Max: new planet 9 or final goal?

[high obsidian]

#1331073134098645002 message

not exactly

and there is no added tier for GT

[woeful kernel]

yeah it's going by vanilla tiers so UV, MAX only exist as voltage tiers but there arent any machines or progression associated with them

[high obsidian]

UHV is also vanilla

[woeful kernel]

uhh which one is that lol

[stray whale]

Ah, missed the board

Why I wish we could pin

[calm plinth]

#1331073134098645002 message @sturdy lion could you pin this pls?

[atomic wedge]

So, as an idea for the flesh planet in zpm. Maybe you could go the interstellar route and have the player discover a wormhole poi that takes them to said planet? that could justify drastically increasing the cost of your rocket to resist the greater cosmic forces. Plus it sounds cool and isolates the sci-fi planet to its own star map.

[calm plinth]

I definitely want to put it on its own star system, yeah

maybe make it one of those eyeball worlds, that feels thematic lol

[atomic wedge]

Ooh, unfortunately I have zero knowledge of programming languages so the only way I could possibly help is maybe asset design

[calm plinth]

kubejs is very easy to pick up for editing recipes and such, if you'd like

[stray whale]

Boutta spawn in the crimson

[calm plinth]

can't believe nebby didn't point this out smh

[stray whale]

Nah they got doom running on tfg

[honest heart]

i did notice it

and i appreciate it

i just forgor

(i've been very tired)

lets just add that one mod that adds doom monsters and have them populate the flesh planet

(i'd do it)

[calm plinth]

lmao

[high obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gun-shoot-ak47-war-gif-7990705687144326

[honest heart]

Actually

If I where to add mods mainly for the creatures I'd see if there's something that adds monsters from Risk of Rain or Doom

Deadass

[iron iron]

WHAT CARD DO I NEED TO PUT so the import bus only puts 1 stack in a machine?

[calm plinth]

wrong channel

[bright holly]

Perhaps make solar panels useful? At the very least in a vacuum environment make them more efficient as there's no atmospheric loss to potential power gen. Like how in real life solar panels have half the energy production in our atmosphere as they would in a vacuum. Maybe even make them even more efficient on mercury due to both the lack of an atmosphere and that its closer to the sun. And less efficient depending on how far away the planet is from the sun, using earths power gen as a baseline and the other planets distance to decrease/increase their efficency. Honestly even if its a tiny buff and they cost some huge amount of resources to make, I just wanna make a huge solar farm on the moon.

[calm plinth]

yes, ad astra has solar panels that can be configured to output different amounts in each dimension

[bright holly]

Glad to know, waiting for space to get back into TFG, love the ideas so far!

[atomic wedge]

Just mentioned this in en chat, but space travel further into the solar system and beyond could require plutonium-238 for travel fuel. Ie. You could require a rocket to use a certain amount of rocket fuel to exit the atmosphere and the farther you travel the more Pu-238 would be necessary. I don't know if any mod has an implementation of Sterling engines, but those could also be a required creating component for higher tier rocket.

[atomic wedge]

Unfortunately it doesn't seem like gtceu has Pu-238 so it's a pipe dream.

[calm plinth]

it's very easy to add new materials

[atomic wedge]

Yes but Irl Pu238 refinement makes the platline seem like light work

I might be able to draft up a potential recipe tree but until Gtceu decides to actually implement reactors it would be too much of a pain to implement.

[iron iron]

then do it

thats what greg is all about

never ending strugle

[calm plinth]

there's a balance to be struck between realism and gameplay - the platline used to be much worse, for example, and I'm glad modern GT simplified it

[calm plinth]

someone's working on an addon to add fission reactors that I'd like to use on mars at least

I'm not sure if ad astra even allows different fuels for different tiers of rockets though, I'd have to check. But I do know that it only accepts fluids as fuel

[iron iron]

@calm plinth space when?

[calm plinth]

tomorrow

[iron iron]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-shocked-shookt-omg-dog-gif-1653740151852523047

u lying????????

[ivory vortex]

wait for english speakers to realize what tomorrow is

[stray whale]

I think im getting the hang of this (just a test, not actual materials)

[calm plinth]

ok so yes you can give different rocket tiers different fuels

[stray whale]

Sickkkkk

[calm plinth]

they do have to be liquids, but that's not a problem

[stray whale]

Yeah definitely no issue

[calm plinth]

added recipes and names and everything for all the different ad astra stone types

the loose and bricks are missing textures rn but I can do those in a bit

[calm plinth]

also the material-related errors went away as well

[stray whale]

Sweet

I was planning on adding new rock types to venus

These are my notes so far, but subject to change obviously.
Ore: rare, most materials should come from slurry processing from geysers.

• Pyrrhotite, molybdenite, stibnite
• agate, jasper, olivine
• Native gold (around geysers)
  Rock:
• Peridotite
• Komatiite
• Dunite
• Rhyolite
• Chert
• Basanite
• Basalt
• Geyserite (around geysers)
• Stromatolite (for bacteria features)
  Sand/Sandstone:
• Fluorapatite (green, brown, blue, yellow, violet, white)

Tfc is missing ultramafic rock types, so I wanted to include some interesting colored ones for venus

[calm plinth]

sure! I did just name mercury stone "komatiite" if it helps

since we're using them as arbitrary stone types instead of something planet-specific, I think it's ok if we mix them around a little

[stray whale]

Definitely

[calm plinth]

moon_stone - anorthosite (igneous intrusive)
moon_deepslate - norite (mafic igneous intrusive)
mars_stone - argillite (sedimentary)
venus_stone - trachyte (igneous extrusive)
mercury_stone - komatiite (ultramafic igneous)
glacio_stone - phonolite (igneous extrusive)

endstone, netherrack, and tuff also aren't used, if the textures for those would be suitable

(yeah you can technically make endstone and netherrack right now but those are placeholders)

[stray whale]

They may be a little too ugly lol

[calm plinth]

even tuff?

the others I get lol

[stray whale]

Tuff is nice yeah

Tuff would be good for mercury. Since it's exploded volcanic debris

[calm plinth]

will all your stone types have ores and such too? that's gonna be a lot lol

[stray whale]

Yeah, I'm thinking I can just make a tool to automate all that stuff

[atomic wedge]

So, if rockets can only use liquid fuel then we can probably integrate Pu-238 into a crafting component since it takes decades to consume irl anyway. I'd also like to do the same thing with sterling engines too.

[calm plinth]

I was just gonna use the gregtech rocket fuel liquid for the early tiers

it's straightforward enough, and I'd like for fuel to be something you can craft at the destination too

[high obsidian]

It can be integrated into a special later rocket fluid

Sounds good to me

[atomic wedge]

The only problem I have with that is that Pu-238 is used primarily in its solid form as power. If it's used as a component instead of a fuel, then we just justify the use of liquid fuel as just being for atmospheric departure and re-entry.

Also, I don't think it would need to be necessary until IV or even LuV. Since it's primarily for long distance voyages.

Either way, it might be a couple weeks since I need to finish my semester, but I'll try to draft a processing line. Do you have a link to the fission addon so I can check what machines they have?

[calm plinth]

the only thing I've seen from them so far is just a big multiblock that generates power, it doesn't look like they've gotten very far

like, if they don't finish any time soon, we can alway just make our own

though it won't do anything fancy like the heat balancing or whatever that other fancy nuclear mods do

not without a bunch of custom code anyway which I have no clue where to even start on

[stray whale]

Add a heat fluid

[calm plinth]

but, I'm fine if we just end up with something simple like "insert fuel and coolant and get steam and depleted fuel" or whatever

we're still a ways off from needing any sort of fission power anyway lol

[stray whale]

Can we add maintenance logic to custom multi block structures?

[calm plinth]

as far as I know, just adding a maint hatch to the multiblock is enough?

[woeful kernel]

i wish classic ic2 reactors were just in gtceu

[atomic wedge]

Question, is the fusion reactor considered a particle accelerator?

[calm plinth]

🤔

no idea honestly

never built one myself

[woeful kernel]

not exactly no

the fusion reactor is a ring because it needs to contain the plasma in a circular magnetic field, particle accelerators are a ring because it's impractical for them to just be 1 line

but they do both use magnetic fields

[atomic wedge]

Hmm, I'll do some more research over the next few weeks, maybe I'll make a separate Miro page. If we do end up creating a bunch more machines for said material lines, then we might end up drastically increasing scope. Which I'd like to limit so that nobody gets overworked.

[calm plinth]

yeah, it's a good idea to simplify the irl processes just for the sake of gameplay

iirc the main two big ones are platline and naquadah

everything else is like... 4 steps maximum

[atomic wedge]

I feel like TFG having it's own unique crazy processing line would be pretty good, maybe sticking Pu-238 between the other two in terms of progression would work.

I feel like having a significant hurdle to cross before long-distance space travel is a good idea as long as it's kept within the scope of mostly already existing mechanics

[calm plinth]

I agree that new lines are cool, but if this is only gonna be used for fuel, then it doesn't need to be that complicated

I think the focus for the bigger lines should be on, like, the "key resource" you get from that planet

[atomic wedge]

True

Also, I really wanna see supercritical steam implemented as a fuel that you can only use on either Venus or Io from geothermal activity there.

Give the steam turbine multi more use in lategame.

And encourage setting up multi-planet infrastructure.

[calm plinth]

yes definitely

[atomic wedge]

Alright, I'm having too many ideas and I have assignments to do. I'll check back in next weekend.

[calm plinth]

alrighty!

[high obsidian]

Look at the one from Moni discord

It copies the philosophy from NuclearCraft

Though it won’t be ready before months

But as we said we can do a basic one until then

[junior hatch]

Just wanted to ask if it's possible to do data pack driven world for the planets using tfc? Each dimension is a tfc with custom terrain gen, this would allow for latitude related stuff like co2 ice on Mars for instance.

[calm plinth]

I'm currently trying to figure that part out! tfc does not normally support more than one tfc dimension, nor is it very datapack friendly with its worldgen

[junior hatch]

Maybe you should go yell at alc or ee about that or if it's that annoying you could do up a PR.

[calm plinth]

nah it's fine I'm getting other help in the tfc server

mostly from the guy who made the tfc-kubejs mod

[calm plinth]

testing out rock layer noise, this is a bit too dense I think 🤔

I might recolor the glacio stone to be a bit less bright purple too lol

idk, it's kinda fun

it'll be less noticeable when I cover it up with sand haha

[high obsidian]

is it?

it looks fuc*** cool

[calm plinth]

it's ok you can swear

I more mean like, it's just very dense compared to the overworld

[woeful kernel]

dense as in, the layer sizes are smaller so you see different rocks more often?

that's probably not a bad thing tbh especially if each rock gives different stuff when centrifuged

[calm plinth]

I mean I'd like to get rid of the dust centrifuging entirely lol

[atomic wedge]

I think the Gabbro to titanium dust is definitely something that should be changed, but the rest of the dust farms are generally inconsequential aside from diorite.

Please don't remove my infinite brick source

[calm plinth]

gabbro was changed to rutile in 0.9 and diorite got heavily nerfed (tiny dusts instead of full dusts, clay separation now needs HV)

I believe there's another chain to get infinite dirt from bio chaff that also gives clay

[neon sage]

ohhh which planet is this

[calm plinth]

🌕

I'm revamping the worldgen a bit with the stuff I learned from the beneath

[neon sage]

how big can the ae2 meteor craters get?

[calm plinth]

they're structures, so they only have one size

[neon sage]

ohhh damn, i thought we could have different sizes scattered around

[calm plinth]

there's 6 variations but yeah, all the same size

[atomic wedge]

Hmm, I'll have to look into that. I also think they're a bit cheesy, but I think that nerfing it to tiny dusts across the and locking it behind HV is a good compromise. Since by then your material costs should outweigh the output of the dust process.
People might even actually move to parralellization as a result which is a good practice for everything going forward.

Maybe also heavily nerf recipe duration?

[calm plinth]

so far the idea I'd like to do instead, is get rid of dusts, put put the products that people wanted onto bedrock mines on the moon instead

[high obsidian]

I would either remove them or push them to IV

[calm plinth]

so they're still infinite, but now the puzzle is figuring out logistics on how to ship it all home or wherever

[high obsidian]

I think that’s the most boring thing existing in GT

[atomic wedge]

I like that idea a lot better

[high obsidian]

I need to make the sheets with every ores that are important now that you make me the excel sheet

So we can begin to think about how we spread them

By the way the nuclear addon for GT seems to be progressing from what I read on Moni discord

They will speak about it next week

Maybe it will be ready in a month

[calm plinth]

oh cool

[stray whale]

getting better

do you know if you can configure fog density? As far as I can find I think its hardcoded. Which sucks because its so thick on venus lol

[calm plinth]

I think I've seen it somewhere

I think it's part of the dimension settings

unfortunately the options are either "yes fog" (nether) or "no fog" (overworld, end)

https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Effect_(dimension)

there is tfc's fog effect that you might be able to use? https://notenoughmail.github.io/kubejs_tfc/1.20.1/events/#register-climate-model there's a thing for setting air fog

what are you using for your noise gen btw? 👀 is it just vanilla?

rock layers

doubled the size of the noise (right), I think that's a bit better

[stray whale]

Yes, sand colors use snow layer map with clamped numbers for the bands. World gen is pretty close to vanilla terrain

[calm plinth]

hehe sounds like you've got the hang of it

[stray whale]

I'm doing my best 🫡

[high obsidian]

Wow you guys are cooking

We really need to make space better than just mining shits

With how beautiful it will be that would be waste

[calm plinth]

well yeah that's the whole point :p the moon can be the mining shits dimension

where you learn how the hell big logistics work and space stuff

[stray whale]

Yeah that looks good 👍 I might make my rock types biome dependent 🤔 not sure how I want to do that..

I'll take a break from world gen for now and look at features when I get home from work

Want to make some cool hot springs!

[calm plinth]

ooo

[calm plinth]

I did that initially, but it did mean I couldn't use biomes for other things like vegetation

[stray whale]

Wdym? How does it stop vegetation?

[calm plinth]

it just means if you wanna have, say, a biome that makes a mushroom forest or something, it'll always have the same rock type, no?

[stray whale]

Couldn't you have the forest spawn using tags? So you have a few biomes that are the same, but with different rock types. And then assign them all the feature tag "tfg:placed_mushroom_forest" for example

[calm plinth]

you could, yeah

the way I'm gonna do it is have this noise-based rock layer system

[stray whale]

Both is good 👍

[calm plinth]

then if I want a specific biome to have something, like putting basalt on the rivers in mars, I can do that as well

but I can just say "put basalt in this biome 3 blocks deep" and below that will be the random rock noise again

[stray whale]

True true

[calm plinth]

otherwise, I'd have to say what all the rock types would be all the way down to bedrock

(you can see what that looks like in mars' current state, lol)

[stray whale]

Last I checked mars had all vanilla biomes and was a bit... Strange looking lol

[calm plinth]

yeah I barely started on it before switching over to the beneath

[stray whale]

Wrap it up and call it a feature

[iron iron]

SPACE HERE YET?

[calm plinth]

NO

[iron iron]

Y?

[calm plinth]

CODING HARD

[stray whale]

TOMORROW

Space would go a lot faster if we didn't have to do it in json

[iron iron]

https://tenor.com/view/ghostedvpn-hacker-cat-bongo-cat-keyboard-cat-hacker-gif-4373606555250453292

[iron iron]

https://tenor.com/view/coding-scaler-create-impact-monkey-programmer-gif-24991476

[calm plinth]

oh random thought but tfc has a nice feature placement for "is near a liquid" which might be useful

[stray whale]

Yup! Was looking at that

[calm plinth]

nice nice

[stray whale]

I was trying to see how tfc rivers work, but it must be hard coded or something. It's not a carver, or feature, and the biome doesn't actually make a river form 🤔

Unless I skimmed over it

[calm plinth]

yeah, as far as I can tell they're hardcoded because they're hella complicated

[stray whale]

Would've been sick to have magma rivers but no dice 😤

I could check with the tfc discord later

[calm plinth]

https://alcatrazescapee.com/rivers/ if you're interested in a very long explanation

[calm plinth]

this is the main reason I'm fucking around with vanilla biomes for mars, because they already have a biome that's more or less roughly where the "rivers" are

that being said, if there's a way to put rivers on other dimensions I'm all ears

the rivulet feature does work btw, it just only works on the surface

[stray whale]

You weren't kidding about long

[calm plinth]

(as I learnt the hard way by trying to use them in the nether, only to find it was putting them all on the bedrock roof)

[stray whale]

Lol

Still useful for planets tho 👍

[calm plinth]

yeah for sure

[stray whale]

Cute dog

I actually like the shade of purple, I don't think you need to change it

[calm plinth]

yeah I've gotten used to it

I was wanting to keep a color pallete of blues and greys for the moon so I guess it kinda goes

[stray whale]

Space should be colorful!

I know making space a bunch of flat colored deserts is realistic. But it's not very fun

[calm plinth]

yeah absolutely!

[stray whale]

Too many old modpacks with the most boring space progression 😔

How do you make the final frontier a grindy mess? Idk

[calm plinth]

yeah it honestly surprised me how many modpacks out there are really just thrown together without much thought put behind them

[stray whale]

And how the laziest ones are somehow the most popular?

[calm plinth]

ikr

[stray whale]

Just throw polymorph in and call it a day

[calm plinth]

hm I could probably do something more with the asurine, and the scorchia color fits nicely here too 🤔

ochrum fits very nicely into venus sand/stone btw

[stray whale]

Of course they just release a snapshot changing how fog works the day I need to be able to change fog in an earlier version 🤦

[calm plinth]

looool I saw that too

[stray whale]

Looks nice

Btw. Want me to change the Minecraft rabbit model to have little space helmets? 👀

[calm plinth]

omg that'd be cute

or just whole space suits

[stray whale]

True true

[calm plinth]

I still haven't figured out why my rabbit structures stopped generating 🤔

nvm figured it out

missed a place when I renamed the biomes

[stray whale]

Typos cause too many problems. I'm coding in binary from now on

[calm plinth]

[atomic wedge]

Assembly ts

[calm plinth]

🤔

[atomic wedge]

Froglights?

Fits the vibe

I like

[calm plinth]

yeah, separating the stone layers out from the biomes frees them up to be much more decoration-specific

[stray whale]

Good to know

[calm plinth]

I'm still trying to figure out why the froglights only place when they're offset by 1 from the top, but otherwise I think this is looking neat

maybe if there was some small lights on the ground too... hmm

sorta like the ground having its own mini stars

I think that would look cute

I did also try these slightly larger ones but they remind me of floodlights at car parks 😂

[stray whale]

Yeah maybe not 🤣

[calm plinth]

looks alright at day too

could maybe recolor these to be less green and more blue

to match these guys

[neon sage]

the lights floating above the stem looks really neat actually

really gives it an alien feeling

[calm plinth]

yeah! I like that part

oh the floating not so much

I misread as the light coming down the stem

[neon sage]

idk it's still neat

[calm plinth]

either way I'm not too worried yeah

[high obsidian]

I feel there is a bit too much of vegetation on the ground

[calm plinth]

it's not tfc unless there's a ton of clutter on the ground

how do we feel about chorus fruit on the moon

[calm plinth]

alright so I'm gonna do 4 main "biomes" on the moon for decoration:

• these warped vine things
• chorus fruits, maybe some obsidian pillars for fun
• something with asurine idk yet
• something involving dead coral, playing off how the darker patches of the moon are called "seas"

then with some other small decorations that appear in multiple or all of these

all of these put together should keep it reasonably visually interesting

[serene dome]

infi water cover

i was suppost to remind you when the offical update came around

[calm plinth]

remind me to do what with it

[serene dome]

infi water cover is to replace using create to pump water later in games

the large create machine is just never convinent compare to the space required for it and also the lag of create machine create

[calm plinth]

that is true but also that will let you get infinite water on other planets which will cause issues with balance

so instead, maybe we could just have a single block machine that generates infinite water but only works on earth or something

[serene dome]

i did suggested the water source block machine but you suggested water cover at the time

just anything that is infi water source and could replace create machine would do

[serene dome]

infi water is already durable at steam age but we just didnt have a way to replace this create water pump in the future we just need a way to replace the create pump in later game

something like mv and hv would do well so dont have to use create to pump water

[calm plinth]

yeah

[serene dome]

so now the question should we do water cover or water source machine

[calm plinth]

machine, because machines can be dimension-locked, covers can't

[serene dome]

and we will have to do it eventrally, unless you want to bring create machine to every plant

[neon sage]

ohhh what ideas do you have for water on other planets?

irl, Mars has water in its permafrost and in the polar cap.
So for Mars, it would be from directly mining ice or centrifuging the second layer of Mars rocks

[calm plinth]

I think the idea for mars is that it'll have heavy water which you use for fission coolant as well as some other things

[neon sage]

maybe have a "heavy ice" block which can be centrifuged into ordinary water and heavy water at say 10:1 ratio?

[calm plinth]

not sure what to do for the moon -- ad astra lets you define planets as cold, which will rapidly freeze any water unless it's inside an oxygenated enclosed space

so I guess you can just set one of those up and then bring water in that way

[rose blade]

fluorapatite mentioned !!

[stray whale]

You will like Venus then, it will be like 80% fluorapatite sand

[rose blade]

the waste production of gypsum from wppa will go hard

[high obsidian]

We are moving Rutile to the moon?

[calm plinth]

I don't think we need to

you need HV to process it anyway, so it's not an "easy" source of titanium

oh wait uh

[high obsidian]

wdym?

[calm plinth]

we don't have any rutile ore rn

sorry, confused it with bauxite

[high obsidian]

nope it's from Bauxite and Ilmenite and

I forgot

np

it's all very confusing with all the fucking ores ahah

yeah Aluminum/Bauxite/Ilmmenite

[calm plinth]

looks like it's just from bauxite, ilmenite, and aluminium ores

[high obsidian]

I think this vein could go on the moon

[calm plinth]

there's one other vein that has bauxite but it's small so that one can stay, as a treat

[calm plinth]

yeah for sure

[high obsidian]

we would have certus and the massive one of bauxite/alu/ill on the moon then

[calm plinth]

yep

[high obsidian]

I like the idea of having really small vein from the next tier still existing

I like this "treat"

Okay so I'm getting on the HV chapter that we won't push before space I guess

lots to change there

I would also like to have a pass at the rocket recipe if u fine with it

let me know if you don't like but I would like to go towards something not too bad but using the multiblock you unlocked before

for the first rocket to go to the moon adding the need for a Pyro and a Implosion Compressor or Vacuum and Implosion Compressor

but keeping the recipe semi easy

[calm plinth]

I was thinking of removing that "nasa workbench" since it's a machine you'll only use maybe a couple times, and just changing it to an assembler recipe or something instead

[high obsidian]

Sounds good to me

[calm plinth]

but yeah, requiring an eye of ender sounds like a good gate

[high obsidian]

Okay I gonna try to cook something while I work on the hv quests and will ask for your feeback

[calm plinth]

sure thing

if you're doing stuff with moon veins, I did just add a bunch more stone types so now it has 9 instead of 5

andesite, dacite, rhyolite, and glacio_stone

so feel free to rearrange the ores as you see fit

I wanna keep the certus one common at least

[steep kestrel]

as far as the block that creates water, have it as a condenser. makes perfect sense on how it acts on earth, and why it wouldn't work on mars or the moon because of little atmosphere. Also, you might be able to pull in other resources in different atmospheres.

[high obsidian]

Could be a cute multiblock

you connect it to your AE2 system and that's it

and then later on around ZPM-UV we could unclock the AE2 infinite water cell

[stray whale]

Here are the final(?) defualt colors

(without shaders)

idk why but the fog is just gone now? I didnt even change anything with that. Oh well, looks better this way

Cloubby

[calm plinth]

are you gonna use venus_stone or venus_sand? 👀

reminds me a little of those painted mountains in china

[stray whale]

All the sand in the picture is a new block. Fluorapatite sand, which will be used for production. I don't know yet if I will be using any of the pre-existing Venus blocks

I may make the brown sand less red to make it a bit more distinct from mars

Well, it's gregnight for me now

[calm plinth]

gn gn

they're pretty yellow, maybe they could be decoration around especially sulfuric areas? what about oceans of sulfuric acid? could be fun :p

[high obsidian]

Really like it that’s very extraterrestrial

[high obsidian]

I think that's a great in between with tedious and too expensive

the total cost is actually okay cheap

[calm plinth]

what's the dense thing?

[high obsidian]

the new rocket alloy

for tier 1

[calm plinth]

and why do the fins need tnt

[high obsidian]

what I was trying to make yesterday

Implossion Compressor but this one is scrappable if you don't like

found it fun

[calm plinth]

I don't think imploding your fins makes much sense 🤔

what's the alloy?

[calm plinth]

smelting over 100 ingots in an ebf sounds very painful

and a vac freezer is post cleanroom

[high obsidian]

the idea is to push people to begin to have dedicated system

cleanroom is hv

do you want space to be early hv?

Basically you need steel, sulfur, redsteel, bluesteel and latex

The idea is to see if players have a good grasp on every mechanics until then

without having a recipe too expensive

the cost in the new alloy can be halve if you prefer

I think it's okay to tell players

"Eh you should make a dedicated EBF, that will be useful the whole game"

[high obsidian]

this one is latex

well vulcanized latex

I think I could change the fin to not use Implosion compressor and use only double plate

so cost would be way less

If you look at the total cost for the rocket it's actually pretty cheap

Other option is to make the new alloy needs MV energy with very low temperature so it’s easy to OC

Good way to push player to learn about the weird perfect Overclocking of the EBf

And that’s their last automation challenge before AE2

[high obsidian]

I think you need 128 for coils though

So it’s not even that bad

But I would be fine with making the recipe LV at low temperature

[calm plinth]

once you have a cleanroom and EV circuits, that's late HV imo

[calm plinth]

latex for what?

[calm plinth]

I think just using double plates would be fine instead of dense plates, new coil upgrades take forever and I'm not really a fan of recipes that just turn into "leave the game running for an hour"

[high obsidian]

Yeah I thought we were going with space being the last step of HV

[high obsidian]

Pyrolyse vulcanized latex to get burn latex that you use in the mixer recipe for rocket alloy

[high obsidian]

Fine by me if you prefer

I think Gregtech is a lot about making more machines to be faster

So these kind of recipes should more be « build more EBF so you don’t have to wait two hours »

You can’t play against people that prefer to use AE2 pattern for every step of their processing and wait two hours

The only one I hate is donut stacking but honestly the only time it drove me crazy was Star T

I have a meeting coming up I will nerf the recipe after and send you a second draft

Though do we go with Dense plate but alloy is MV and low temp or Double plate but we keep this recipe for EBF?

[calm plinth]

what

[calm plinth]

how about instead just needing it to be cooled in a chem bath, like silicon? it still encourages people to set up automation for it

[calm plinth]

imo the process should be like this:

1. set up your first few machines to get an ender eye
2. make a rocket, go to space, mine certus, get your inscriber presses
3. set up the machines to charge your certus and turn it into fluix. This does take a long time!
4. while that is going, then the player can work on their cleanroom, because the storage drives require it
5. post cleanroom, they can then set up the titanium loop to make the EV assembler for autocrafting

so it's this sort of back and forth between ae2 stuff and hv progression

also remember that each rocket only holds one player so they'll need multiple rockets if they're playing multiplayer

which could take forever to craft lol

[high obsidian]

Trying to find a use for a pyrolise oven this one sounded good to me

Latex is one of the main ingredient of ULV/LV after all

[high obsidian]

sounds good

[high obsidian]

Understood so I proprose:

-Keep dense alloy rocket but reduce considerably energy and temp so it doesn't require the vacuum cleaner and can be way faster to produce if you OC and you use the better coils
-Remove Implosion Compressor for Rocket Fin and use Double Alloy Rocket so the recipe is considerably cheaper

Maybe even simple plate for the Fin

[calm plinth]

yeah, it's a little odd to bring it back up in HV - but now I'm curious what kind of materials are used for rockets irl 🤔

don't worry about matching the color of the ad astra rockets btw, it should be easy to retexture them if needed

[high obsidian]

Hmm true maybe scrap the latex and use rubber?

I have no idea what they use for rocket

could have a look

[woeful kernel]

rockets irl are made from aluminium right

light and strong

[calm plinth]

could make a "rocket plating" material that's a combination of idk, metal and fiberglass or something

[woeful kernel]

i know they use ceramic for a few places where heat is a concern

[calm plinth]

and/or other polymers like pvc/ptfe

[calm plinth]

lol, bring back clay knapping for your rocket exhausts

[high obsidian]

hmmm we could scrap the latex/rubber and go with a mix of pvc and fiber glass

that would be so funny

don't tempt me

[woeful kernel]

is there fibreglass in gtceu?

[calm plinth]

yeah you use it for laminated glass

I forget the name it has in gtm

[high obsidian]

there is the Borosilicate Glass

[woeful kernel]

oh right I do remember seeing glass fibre

[high obsidian]

1 boron and 7 glass dust

Carbon fiber also

[calm plinth]

shouldn't be that hard to look up, I remember googling what goes into making spacesuits irl

[high obsidian]

you used it for the oxygen suit btw

[calm plinth]

tldr some fancy polymers and fiberglass for the hard parts I think

[high obsidian]

You used Polycaprolactam also

I never even noticed this one in GT

is it custom?

[calm plinth]

no, it's nylon, you use it for string

[calm plinth]

the new string and fabric items are custom though

normally it just gives vanilla string

[woeful kernel]

I think for tier 1 rockets that take you to the moon we might as well benchmark early space race stuff like sputnik

[calm plinth]

that sounds good

[woeful kernel]

technically it'd be the apollo program but that's going to be a little more advanced

[high obsidian]

Well i think it's more important that it matches gameplay than historical acuity

[calm plinth]

we can do a mix of both haha

[woeful kernel]

yeah I think so too

keep in mind this was the late 50s, so if we kinda think about HV circuits it's kind of around that era historically

irl I think we're kind of just getting into Qbit cpus lol

[high obsidian]

Damn Polycaprolactam isn't the easiest one to make

like it