Downsides of a queue feature Why we should keep RNG based world joining.

[normal badger]

Joining worlds was instant (even if we had to spam retry). A queue would force players to wait passively, remove the "quick hop"-style gameplay, make trading, farming and exploring feel waay slower. In a sandbox MMO game, such as PW, where players constantly jump between worlds, that friction tends to add up into a problem.

Queueing encourages AFK slot hoarding. If queues exist, players already inside a popular world will stay AFK to hold their spot. People will avoid leaving because rejoining means waiting again. All this results in worlds becoming "full" even when some of the players arent actively playing.

Queues hurt trading economy flow. Popular trade worlds such as BUY depended on a high turnover of players with constant fresh batches of buyers/sellers entering. With queues fewer players get in quickly, trades slow down and market becomes less dynamic. For a game like PW that is problematic.

Queues introduce new exploits: organized groups could "reserve" access to certain worlds. Queue-sniping scripts become a real thing.

Removes player control: currently players can spam join and get lucky, trying different worlds quickly. Queues make players locked into waiting. You dont have any control over when you get in and where.

Queues are a bad experience for short sessions. Not everyone plays for hours. If someone logs in for 15-30mins the queues could eat their entire playtime. They might just call it quits, it hurts casual players.

Queuing doesnt solve the real problem. The issue is NOT in joining... Its having too few popular worlds. Players cluster in thr same worlds. A queue manages congestion but doesnt fix it. Better solutions would be smth like having more popular worlds, increasing player caps and improving world discovery.

To put everything in a nutshell:
A queue system would trade short bursts of frustration (spam joining) for long, guaranteed waiting, which is usually worse in a game built around fast interaction and player-driven activity

For your information I really did come up with all this. No artificial intelligence used

[molten stream]

Good argument 👍 let's hope that the devs could figure out a solution for the downsides from these and make the best queue system

[normal badger]

Thank you Sleepy Whistles🩵

[icy jacinth]

i can't see why someone would afk hoard a slot to do nothing but stay in the world? 🤔 maybe i don't know this game enough 😭
also for trade worlds, what is the point of staying in that world if you ran out of things to trade? wouldn't people want to leave to do other things still?
i also don't see how queue sniping could work here? 🤔 pls enlighten me

[normal badger]

AFK: People dont want to wait for a lonf time to get back in the world so instead of leaving or closing the game, they will just stay in the world with an autoclicker

Whats the point of staying in the world if you ran out of things to trade? Trading includes buying and selling. I have personally been on BUY for like 5 hours trading with people buying and selling stuff as a retailer for profit. Its not about selling only, it goes both ways. Traders spot opportunities to buy cheap stuff and make a profit so of course they wont just leave even when they have nothing to sell

People will develop scripts and intentionally abuse a system as fragile as queues

In addition, people can "raid" worlds way easier if there is a queue. They can just plot to fill the queue and keep rejoining so nobody gets in

[icy jacinth]

what's the point of staying in a world with nothing to do?

[icy jacinth]

ah, like flipping prices? buying for cheap then reselling for higher?

[normal badger]

They do have stuff to do. If someone has to do smth irl or just has other stuff to do they may want to rejoin after finishing other stuff. Instead of going through the big effort of patience with queues, they can just stay afk in the world and come back whenever they please. If people do this afking stuff the worlds will fill super easily. Also back in original pixel worlds people did this afking stuff even without queues too.

[normal badger]

Yeah. A big part of the community does that. I did it too because it was low effort high reward

Adding all this together will make queues long as heck

[icy jacinth]

at that point the world will be useless then? if they do somehow manage to pull off the no alts rule, it could technically somewhat hopefully help solve this issue by a bit? since you can't just make 183583894 accounts to fill up a world alone

[normal badger]

Im not trying to spend half of my time in pixel worlds just sitting in queues and i think nobody is

[north fiber]

Wait they are adding queues to worlds?

[normal badger]

People from niche communities have strong team spirit, so if they want to they can raid worlds for funsies

[normal badger]

It was someones suggestion that got a ton of attention. Im trying to find downsides so we can make it work better

[icy jacinth]

huh, not everyone does that though, there's no way everyone in a single world is doing that. which means some slots will still free up from time to time. it's probably only a small amount of people that do that

[normal badger]

I have been playing since 2018 so I consider myself pretty og. I can from experience tell that the majority of people would do that

Its a very good point that not everyone is like that, but I believe that most people would rather go afk than go through all the extra effort when they can just take a small shortcut

Its unfair for mobile players as well as its harder to afk with a phone than a pc.

[north fiber]

On pc you can do smth when waiting in queue, on mobile you can only stare at queue screen

[icy jacinth]

hmmm, i guess, but also i feel like people usually only do that in their own worlds instead of like big big worlds, no? the queues realistically won't affect personal worlds as they aren't normally crowded?

[normal badger]

Yup

[spark dock]

sell trade world queue slot 1 wl per hour have 5

[normal badger]

I think that anyone with common sense will go afk in a popular world instead of leaving it

[icy jacinth]

I don't think the queue slots would be tradeable 😭 ?

[normal badger]

Waiting for queues is stupid if you can just afk instead:D Id be a big enough Ah-hole to do that tbh..

[stoic mortar]

could just add a 10min afk -> auto leave

[spark dock]

yea but im p sure bots can fill it and they botters demand wls for disabling 1

[icy jacinth]

for what reason though?

[normal badger]

Wont work because people can just macro and autoclick to keep themselves in worlds..

[normal badger]

So they dont lose their spot in the world

[icy jacinth]

okay then this is the bot problem again aajdjdkdjsjsj

[spark dock]

i think worlds being too full actually forces new trade worlds to open

[normal badger]

Very good point indeed.....

[icy jacinth]

yeah but, what would be that good in that world to make you want the slot that bad?

[normal badger]

Big queues make spots in the world have value.

[icy jacinth]

and what do you get from staying in the world?? pride?

[drowsy marsh]

For example if you need to go eat for 15 mins u prob dont want to wait in queue for another 15mins after that

[normal badger]

Queues create a demand for being in the world. What you gain from staying is not waiting for a long time again in the queue.

[normal badger]

Yeah its like 15 extra minutes of ur time out the window and for what.

[spark dock]

in the past, the BUY world has items being traded from 1 wl -2pl, but TRADE had higher value stuff from 80 wls to 40pl items

[icy jacinth]

I'm so confused

[spark dock]

so it would be logical that people with more money want to go to trade and are willing to pay a slot

[normal badger]

Queues make popular worlds have huge demand. Being inside the world becomes a supplement. Its all a part of the supply and demand thing. People dont want to willingly give up their positions in the world if those positions have big demand

[spark dock]

trading i guess

[icy jacinth]

ok hold on are we talking about trade worlds specifically?

[toxic sonnet]

fwed

[normal badger]

No. Any popular world where you have a reason to be in. However, trade worlds specifically are the most affected worlds by queues

Basically if there is a purpose in the world then being in the world has demand. If you leave the world you have to go through the effort of getting back in there, and that is why afking in the world becomes a very valuable method

[icy jacinth]

realistically slots will still free up over time tho i feel like

[glacial zealot]

this is a good counterargument actually..

[normal badger]

Thank you🙏

[icy jacinth]

ok genuine question, does the game not get boring if you just afk in one world forever just flipping prices?

[normal badger]

But it will be so slow that the game becomes less enjoyable. Its true that slots will free up over time but the question is how often?

[normal badger]

No not really. I was personally VERY addicted in taking a sort of "salesman" role. Convincing people to accept trades that benefit me was really thrilling.

And of course if people want cool high tier items they need currency for them. Flipping prices is probably the fastest way to accumulate wealth

[icy jacinth]

i see

[normal badger]

Yes I see how this is a bit weird thing to say..

[shy vigil]

It would be best if this remained unchanged

[spark dock]

what u want alex's woman

[spark dock]

dont ask us bro ask the people stuck in trade 24/7

[icy jacinth]

i was asking kape, and he said he enjoyed it 😭

[spark dock]

thats one i guess

[sage socket]

Absolutely man i rather spamming enter world button than waiting doing nothing just to enter world

[normal badger]

Lowk trading and fishing were peak.

[shy vigil]

you goddam right

this queue is only time wasting