better support channel

[twin nebula]

I would like to somehow give people a little push towards not spoon feeding every problem that happens, it's better if the person needing help leaves the conversation understanding what was wrong and how they fixed it.

Something like that meow
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/give_a_man_a_fish_and_you_feed_him_for_a_day;_teach_a_man_to_fish_and_you_feed_him_for_a_lifetime

This

Like there's no need to enforce this to a ridiculous extent and punish people, just some resource that explains why it's best not to spoon feed would be nice

[stone herald]

I have to agree. I understand that there are users here who are very expirienced and knowledgeable, where they help so many people it eventually becomes draining to do anything but give commands.

But as someone who reads aupport threads to learn how I can troubleshoot my own problems, or has recieved support in the past, it does help to know "why" something is done the way it is.

Of course you can simply tell someone to look itnup themselves, but that's quite dismissive and often can lead to someone who's new to be overwhelmed by the amount of info, let alone how to get it.

[twin nebula]

the main reason I avoid the support channels is because i hate sitting there spoon feeding or watching people spoon feed 😭

[stone herald]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9OZTQa0eY

I just think this video needs to be seen by more people

[stone herald]

Like, the message being that people getting into something really hate being talked down to or otherwise being bombarded with information which may be relevant and optimal, but when you're getting into something you really really don't need to worry that much.

I forget the saying but it's basically that most things in a given hobby will get you 80% of the way there, which is good enough

[twin nebula]

Arch is like the literal worst place to "just get it working" 😭

And you can show people the way and what's going on without talking down to them

[stone herald]

I know LOL That's why I caution against having things done for you like video tutorials, AI or install scripts

And as long as the other person is willing to learn, then you shouldn't talk down to them

[twin nebula]

But at the same time, videos can be good

not everyone can piece together a wiki, an initial for-sure working path to begin with is usually nice

its how i started on arch lol

[stone herald]

I feel like the odd one out then 😭

Becuase I trid following a video and decided to follow the wiki too

And since the wiki said to not follow video tutorials I just stuck to the wiki

[twin nebula]

Like with osdev theres a whole "We aren't going to make tutorials for you" rule and I NEED THEM IM AUTISTIC WAHHH

[stone herald]

I'm autistic too >:3

[twin nebula]

But then if you like look at the install page, it addresses 100 things at a time instead of being one process

[stone herald]

As if that's ever a surprise

[stone herald]

It does address things one at a time, you just have to take it slowly

And re-read things if they don't make sense

Follow hyperlinks

That kinda thing

Though I agree that breaking it into visually seperate steps would be beneficial

But at the same time, it kinda already is?

[twin nebula]

it also like assumes you know what fstab and chroot and linux time zones are

Bleh, maybe i just had no attention span

Petition to add a subway surfers clip to the wiki page universally ✅

[stone herald]

I mean, I didn't know what they were either, I just abstracted what the example was to my use case

Abstracting concepts to suit your needs is a skill though

[twin nebula]

is just a bunch of stuff a probably windows user wont understand

this is why i often just suggest not using arch first thing

[stone herald]

Ofc. Arch wasn't my first time with linux

And I think that's where some people here are going wrong and hence why I ask "What made you want to try Arch?"

[twin nebula]

I started with debian years before, didn't even know other package managers existed, immediately tried apt in arch and got confused

😭

[stone herald]

lebian

[stone herald]

LMAO it was muscle memory for me

[twin nebula]

thanks to that being what chromebooks had lol

[north estuary]

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[weak igloo]

@twin nebula btw for osdev this might be interesting for u

[stone herald]

Undeserved but thanks

[north estuary]

[weak igloo]

https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2020/schedule.html

[north estuary]

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[stone herald]

Ooo

I love recommending nandgame.com

[twin nebula]

wat

[weak igloo]

https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2020/schedule.html

[twin nebula]

2020 bro

think the time has past

@weak igloo 😭

[weak igloo]

Eh it's recent enough

[twin nebula]

problem with os dev is everything changes every year because hardware is always changing and rust os dev is barely stable at all yet

but this off topic go to #programming or something

[south oak]

I think if you're active in an operating system discord server it's a given you're autistic, me included

[twin nebula]

noo...

the osdev servers mean asf :(

[stone herald]

Yeah.. XD

[fathom pecan]

the archwiki is pretty bad--i think this is the main thing that discourages people from trying to figure things out on their own

[iron patio]

The arch wiki is is great, it is not bad.

Have you ever seen the Ubuntu documentation?

[fathom pecan]

why do you think there are so many people asking the most fundamental questions in this server?

have you seen the people joining just for that?

[iron patio]

Because people aren't looking into the arch wiki

[fathom pecan]

why do you think that is?

[fathom pecan]

https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/addremove-sources.html.en lgtm

[south oak]

the amount of documentation for third party software on the arch wiki is really nice as a somewhat new users