reverse the ban on mpreg

[plucky hazel]

Putting this here for someone else

@quiet bison

[quiet bison]

... Mpreg

[last crow]

#19303 📣 mpreg emoji:

Please don't use the mpreg emoji

Ask yourself, what does the mpreg emoji convey?
That something is stupid, impossible, invalid, etc.

Why is that?
Because the idea of a pregnant man (think trans men) is somehow invalid and stupid — that's pretty clear transphobia...

Many people don't consider this line of thought, and it only creates negative associations.
We should all strive for being respectful with each other. Please avoid using that emoji in the future. Thank you.

[quiet bison]

^^ all of this is WRONG

https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20190r-swollen-belly-emoji.pdf the swollen belly/pregnant emoji is meant to be trans positive

It was not made as mockery

[quiet bison]

This is actually transmasc erasure, and is NOT woke, it's actually like completely the opposite

[tender dragon]

I agree this is stupid

[plucky hazel]

Also it does the stupid thing of banning the insult instead of telling people to not be dicks

[vital spoke]

ALC is so trans-inclusive you arent allowed to use the mpreg emoji

[quiet bison]

We're so trans positive that transmasc representation is against the rules

It is multipurpose

The primary reason it was added was pregnant man had become a significant part of modern discussion (according to search engines) and it was time to bring it to Unicode

[vital spoke]

irrelevant bantering how about we 🫃 you

[quiet bison]

BRO

I can't get pregnant

[vital spoke]

does it look like i asked you that question?

[quiet bison]

😭😭😭

[plucky hazel]

Guys don't get too NSFW lol

This is alc unfortunately

[vital spoke]

it wasnt meant to be NSFW lmao

[plucky hazel]

Convenient link to my jira ticket for it: #1482805623589441568 message

[hybrid flame]

it isnt about mpreg emoji itself, but about the context its used in often

@hardy forge i believe you can explain best if you have time (sorry for ping if you don't have time)

[quiet bison]

Then that specific usage can be banned but using it for intended purposes like chipotle and transmasc pregnancy should be allowed

Transphobia is already against the rules

[hybrid flame]

i mean if someone is transmasc or uses it in transmasc context and uses it that way, no issue, though the reaction has been filtered because overwhelming majority of uses is negative

also wdym chipotle?

[quiet bison]

It's called bloated stomach//pregnancy

A lot of phones will use it for bloated stomach too

[hybrid flame]

it's called 'pregnant_man'

[quiet bison]

And it is an official interpretation of it

[quiet bison]

https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20190r-swollen-belly-emoji.pdf man just read the spec

[cedar edge]

Moderate when it's used on bad faith then?

[quiet bison]

An emoji can have multiple names

[hybrid flame]

yes

it's not inherently bad ofc

[hybrid flame]

but hm7 made the reaction filtered because overwhelming use of it is in negative, invalidatin context

but 🫃 itself (as normal emoji) isn't filtered, and is fine to use in relevant context

[quiet bison]

Actually filtering reactions seems reasonable since very few use cases require reacting with 🫃

[hybrid flame]

but if you use it in like context 'something is stupid' — that's nonsense

[quiet bison]

I was informed (falsely?) that it was against the rules to use in totality

[hybrid flame]

it isn't

[cedar edge]

Like.. in all fairness, it can be interpreted as "my back hurts" and "I ate too much, oof" and similar, which are fair interpretations

[quiet bison]

(unless you're trying to call someone fat which is also bad)

[hybrid flame]

welp ig

but tbf haven't seen it used that way

[cedar edge]

Or like.. "I have a bad feeling.. ooof"

[quiet bison]

That's actually exactly how I used it today and what triggered this conversation

[cedar edge]

Like when you feel a weight
Also can be interpreted as fat man

[hybrid flame]

ig ask admins, they set the filter

[cedar edge]

So it's not inherent bad or against #lgbtq

[quiet bison]

Then I think darkness said it was against the rules

[hybrid flame]

welp imho that's fine

there isn't total ban on it

[cedar edge]

Also, what if you are #lgbtq and want to use it with good faith?

[hybrid flame]

only the reaction has been filtered by bot because it's usually negative afaik

[quiet bison]

I think the note should be updated to mention mpreg reaction

[hybrid flame]

maybe

[cedar edge]

Sounds like when meowing got banned and it did more harm to #lgbtq than good

[quiet bison]

This one

Rn it makes it seem like even trans men can't use it to describe a natural state of their bodies

[hybrid flame]

ig propose your version

[cedar edge]

And that's one of my arguments here, that by banning it, you're banning it even for #lgbtq wanting to use it on good faith

[hybrid flame]

actually there is ticket about the explanation note, ig i could add you to it?

[cedar edge]

Lemme know if I'm wrong

[quiet bison]

#19303  mega  mpreg emoji:
# Please don't react with the mpreg emoji
Ask yourself, *why* are you reacting with the mpreg emoji?
Are you describing something that something is stupid, impossible, invalid? If you are, you shouldn't because many trans men can and do become pregnant.

Why do some people use it as an "absurdity" react?
Because to them, the idea of a pregnant man (think trans men) is somehow invalid and stupid — that's pretty clear transphobia...

Many people don't consider this line of thought, and it only creates negative associations.
We should all strive for being respectful with each other. Please avoid using that emoji in the future. Thank you.

I think that's more clear because typically there isn't even a reason to use fpreg emoji as a reaction

It's just not a very reactable emoji

[cedar edge]

Now.. I also saw users getting angry because there's a project called ffmpreg
Ok.. what

[quiet bison]

Even if someone says "I'm pregnant"!! The usual reaction emojis would map to 😭, 🎉, or 🥀 depending on if they wanted it or not

[hybrid flame]

makes sense imho

[cedar edge]

Oh, another interpretation:
"Awww man.. I feel bad/sorry for that"

Tldr, ooof

[jolly isle]

There's no ban on it in messages so dunno where you people got that from

The note is for sending when someone uses it as a reply to indicate someone's message is invalid

So pls stop overreacting and sending the note to people saying they're full 🙏

And regarding the reaction please note that it has never been using in a valid way here (as far as we know). If it starts being used validly now then it doesn't count because it's just as a reaction to the ban.

[hardy forge]

I was asleep, so, late to the thread, but, this was my take:

Usually that something is stupid, invalid, that the message is incorrect.
This is premised on the idea that the concept of a man being pregnant is invalid / stupid / incorrect.

When you consider transmen who were born AFAB, who may well be able to become pregnant, it becomes clear that this reaction is transphobic.

You'd be forgiven for not having thought of this, many people haven't, but for transmen this can come across as a form of erasure.
To main respectful, please try to avoid this in general, and in the server.```

Essentially there are times it's valid to use the mpreg emoji, but not in the circumstance of using it to say you disagree with a message.

[hardy forge]

@vital spoke @quiet bison @tender dragon

That was my logic as to why it's generally a bad reaction to use. Genuinely feel free to say how that logic is flawed, or, why the action and the logic to not add up

I think banning it as a reaction has a lot to do with saving moderation time but at the expense of fair useage of the emoji as a reaction

I don't think this message blocked for slurs goes against the spirit of the rules so I'm going to risk it. I'm also going to argue this rule shouldn't effect #1006744879583461418 😛

[crimson turtle]

because what everyone thinks of when they see mpreg is "i love transmasc representation" and not "hehe funny pregnant man"

no normal ppl do this btw

normal ppl just go "you know, its not that funny anyways theres hundreds of other emojis i could use, thousands if i have nitro"

i feel like youre doing this explicitly because you know the symbolism it has in many communities and you know how often it is used for hatred, you just dont care

because genuinely im not saying youre wrong

but its like looking at a rainbow flag and going "this actually represents artistry and the spectrum of light" when most people will look at it and go "thats the queer pride flag"

[quiet bison]

I'm clearly not, but your accusation here seems more so malicious than helpful, and the note's contents were incorrect

[quiet bison]

No offense but I think this is your own internalized transphobia speaking. I see it (in the context of male pregnancy) the same way I see the trans flag in Unicode, not something to be disgusted of but something to represent those people

And I think you're projecting that onto me, which isn't something I appreciate

[quiet bison]

(and most normal people do)

[crimson turtle]

well i know you see it that way

that doesnt really reflect how you use it

youve always just put the pregnant man emoji on messages you find funny or stupid

it reminds me of people in steam comments that beg for lgbtq representation in like counter strike

its not exactly malicious or bad

[quiet bison]

Me? I've used it once in this server and it was for the proper alternate meaning

[crimson turtle]

but its fluff and can be used in malicious or bad ways

[crimson turtle]

as in the server

i dont know enoguh about you specifically

but just the usage on this server and also most of discord that ive seen

like reasonably its great that a pregnant man emoji exists its great for representation

but words that have been used for allyship tend to also get coopted for attacking

[quiet bison]

I agree that it can be used in malicious ways and even think malicious usage should probably be temp/perm bannable I just didn't like the stance of a full ban

[crimson turtle]

again i highly doubt most people using that emoji are using it for its intended purpose of representing a male character or person that is pregnant

if so there should be no reason its as big of a problem as this

[quiet bison]

(apologies but I'm not really "in" gamer culture and never experienced this but I'm going to assume people using the trans flag to react with things they disagree with?)

[hardy forge]

@quiet bison do you agree that when it's used maliciously it's done so with the premise (even if the user hasn't thought about it and isn't intending the premise) that men can't get pregnant?

[quiet bison]

I actually haven't seen it used much at all so I can't comment but I think that that does sound reasonable (for the behavior of this server)

Most discord servers I've been and have been pretty woke (in the good way)

[hardy forge]

I've seen it used that way in this server close to exclusively, with maybe 2 examples of not

[hardy forge]

I don't know what woke would mean in a bad way 😛

so @quiet bison we agree that there is a problem when it's used that way, the mods have put in a solution, though not ideal, what would your alternative solution be?

[quiet bison]

I actually think the solution of banning the reaction is fine since I can't think of a legitimate reason to use it in a reaction (nor is there a legitimate reason to use 🤰 in a reaction I think)

My initial upsetness came from a misunderstanding of me thinking there was a full server ban

This meta thread has served its purpose actually I think

[hardy forge]

I can definitely think of legitimate reasons, and I'd argue that the link I'm about to give is actually not so problematic, however I think allowing the reaction in general (note: not banned as a message, just a reaction to a message) makes the mod load lighter

[quiet bison]

What's the frequency of the use of the reaction maliciously I guess?

[hardy forge]

afformentioned link: the post this links to they tried to mpreg:
#urandom message

[hardy forge]

varies week to week

[quiet bison]

Yeah this isn't appropriate since it's an onion article and it seems they used it to mark "ridiculous", or not? I mean the fpreg and mpreg emoji actually do look similar and it is easy to accidentally mix them up but thats probably not what happened

But I can't think of a good reason to use fpreg either for a reaction to that

That's just not really... A reaction

[hardy forge]

well it's up to you how you judge their argument there

they make it in depth in the messages below

[quiet bison]

Reading.. didn't realize they argued for it

[hardy forge]

@quiet bison @plucky hazel thank you both for approaching this in a good faith manner as well, and being open to conversation

[modern sleet]

Alice, Priestess of ARM, and Microsoft® Windows® 8.1 Enjoyer received a thank you cookie!

[quiet bison]

They had an interesting argument both initially and later on but I think for me this message invalidated most of it since they were using it for ridiculous factor

[hardy forge]

it definitely primed the conversation in a different way, but it felt uncharitable to judge their entire line of reasoning for that given that sometimes we're trying to get to grips with something we hadn't thought about deeply, and formulating those arguments can be difficult

[quiet bison]

I think in general I disagree with their interpretation and their "stated usage" reason

I read through it in depth and I understand that they too are queer and trans but it did read like a bit of internalized transphobia the insistence that the emoji is for biological men pregnant, and them using the emoji because that's ridiculous

I don't think it needs to be restated but trans men are men and that emoji was created partially in representation of them

And I think even after reading the conversation I found the usage partially malicious

Even if it wasn't conciously transphobic

This might depend on how long you've been using a phone but many of us remember what emojis were added in what chronology and know that this emoji was added in a more recent and more accepting time

[hardy forge]

This is the problem with moderating it as well is, to so many people "it's just a meme". And well, meme's do most frequently contain meanings, they can promote tolerance, they can promote bigotry, they can do neither, it depends on the context and how they're used. But there's an anti-understanding rhetoric that is pushed which the far right tend to be very happy with, because it preaches that we aren't responsible for what we say and do, and instead, that it's okay to say awful things.

[quiet bison]

I think the reaction should stay banned personally

I think that the moderation overhead is probably too much for that

And I also think most reasonable uses involve having it in a message instead of a reaction

Even in the case where someone is pregnant, reacting with a pregnancy emoji is not normal behavior, it's usually another emoji that's more appropriate

[quiet bison]

I said my opinion on that here

I guess maybe a reaction could be like, someone saying

"I have a surprise!!"
-- someone reacts fpreg/mpreg as a prediction

But I find that unlikely to happen here

[hardy forge]

imagine you do that and it wasn't the news and they have an ED 😐

[quiet bison]

Yeah, I think that it can also be used to promote body image issues

As a reaction image

[hardy forge]

I once joked someone couldn't drink because they were pregnant.
They were not.
I think about that when I get other social anxiety still. A decade and a half later.

[quiet bison]

Oh WOW

[hardy forge]

yeah, I made that mistake once, and only once.

[quiet bison]

Yeah that's like "oust myself from society" level embarrassment for me

[hardy forge]

Me too.

[quiet bison]

That's also why I just don't assume pregnancy because I'm dead scared of miss assuming

I've had the same scenario play in my head

[hardy forge]

keep it there, much better as a hypothetical.

[final roost]

agreed

[rotund cloud]

Did you guys really wasted all that time and energy debating an emoji? Im pretty sure that was OP's sole goal and purpose all along and this was just a troll post that worked all too well.

[hardy forge]

I don't consider how language works a waste of time and I genuinely enjoyed the conversation with @quiet bison , and hope she feels like it wasn't acrimonious

[quiet bison]

OP is my IRL friend and we share the same views on this. It wasn't trolling though

[hardy forge]

has their position changed at all?

[quiet bison]

I think they're okay with the reaction being banned but I haven't asked them

[hardy forge]

gotta also admit, they have a very trollish username, even if they aren't trollish, so I can see why someone would immediately assume they are

[rotund cloud]

I dont mean to insult anyone. Just, yeah... Im used to a lot of posts in #1006744879583461418 not being too serious.

[plucky hazel]

Wait ur talking about me?

[hardy forge]

Yes, I don't think your messages are generally that trolly but your nickname sets up that expectation given we are a Linux server

[hardy forge]

Though I was more interested in this

[plucky hazel]

Ah

I see why the reaction ban needs to happen so though I'm not a fan I'm fine with it

[quiet bison]

Bro wtf is your name now

I know you're views on rule 1a but come onnnn

That doesn't come off well 😭😭😭

[high ginkgo]

what context

[jolly isle]

That's likely been said a thousand times in this thread already

[high ginkgo]

i mean if you're talking about the context off "its an emoji that can be hurtful to trans men by invalidating their identity" is not a reason

because an emoji cant invalidate an identity

the only thing that can invalidate an identity is you yourself

[jolly isle]

Ok

(Probably) everything has already been said in the thread so no need to rehash it

[high ginkgo]

im gonna leave it at the fact that your entire logic of banning the emoji is just downright dumb.

Look around you, the world etches into the far right shadows and is erasing trans rights as we speak. We should be focusing on LGBTQIA+++ rights as a whole, advocating for that. Who the (for a lack of a better word) cares about some dumb emoji ? if someone finds it that offensive they need a reality check. Whats offensive to 1 or 2 individuals may not be the case for the rest 98 people from the same denomination.

If someone is really getting triggered by it over discord, they need to gather their life together

[jolly isle]

We got reports about it so it was easiest to filter the reaction

[hardy forge]

This is just "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" argument -you can use it to justify basically all hate speech.

The manner in which it was used most commonly was one where the meaning behind it was one of invalidation, regardless of if the person reading it would or wouldn't take it that way.

This server also won't tolerate people saying things like "you will never be a woman".

Bigoted speech just isn't allowed in this server- you'll need to make a robust and persuasive argument in order to convince the mod team and server owner to reverse their stance on that.

[crimson turtle]

victim blaming jn the mpreg thread is crazy

[high ginkgo]

I’m not saying ‘words never hurt.’ I’m saying an emoji isn’t inherently hate speech the way ‘you’ll never be a woman’ is. One is a direct attack, the other is an absurd image people use in multiple contexts.

If the problem is that some people used it to troll trans men, ban the trolling behavior, not the emoji. Otherwise you’re admitting the mod team can’t moderate intent and just bans anything that might be used badly which is unsustainable and stupid.

Also, my point about identity wasn’t ‘victim blaming.’ It was: no symbol has the power to invalidate you unless you give it that power. That’s not blaming people for being hurt it’s stating that control over your identity ultimately rests with you. Those aren’t the same thing

[crimson turtle]

so now we have you directly saying the pregnant man emoji is an absurd image

the emoji added for transmasc visibility is absurd according to you

the thing with hate speech is most people arent giving it power actually

most people wish they could hear the t slur or f slur and think nothing of it

the problem is the people that are saying said words are the ones giving it the power

no one would care about the mpreg emoji if it was only used in scenarios where a man is pregnant

instead its only used i humorous scenarios due to the cisnormative belief that men being pregnant is inherently humorous or absurd

thats not me giving the mpreg emoji power

thats mpreg emoji users giving the emoji the power themselves then being annoying and childish about it

again its just discord

you wont die if youre not allowed to react with a certain emoji

your entire joke and humor shouldnt depend on a single emoji

[high ginkgo]

I called the mpreg emoji 'absurd' as in 'visually silly' not as in 'invalid.' Plenty of emoji are absurd and stupid. hat wasn't an attack on transmasc visibility.

And I agree with your last line completely that no one would care if it was only used in scenarios where a man is pregnant. Exactly. So ban the misuse, not the emoji. If someone uses it to troll or invalidate, warn or mute them. Filtering the reaction entirely punishes everyone for the actions of a few people that may use it.

You just proved my point for me

Its like saying water causes people to drown, its time to ban all swimming pools

[high ginkgo]

Yes but I don't like in China or Russia

Where I'm not allowed to do something specific

If the moderation team did their job, everything will be fine

[crimson turtle]

but thats still calling the idea of the pregnant man emoji absurd

would you do the same for the pregnant woman emoji?

[high ginkgo]

There's the Minecraft discord, there's PCMR, there's LTT all of them more strictly moderated than whatever this is

They keep a safe space

They can do it

So can you ?

[crimson turtle]

we already have people constantly whining about moderation on this server, its pretty much 90% of off topic now

we really dont need to be that strict

people just need to be less childish

[high ginkgo]

No. I called the mpreg meme or roll usage absurd because people spam it specifically to be annoying. The pregnant man emoji itself is fine. I never said otherwise.

[high ginkgo]

Great now that we have established that

Tell them

"Please shut the fuck up and stop bothering us for itsy bitsy stuff, take your fights to DMS otherwise you'll be muted/banned"

If you start adhering to literally everything

Its impossible

People can cry over it, and they will cry over it, but over time they'll learn

These spaces tend to filter out such people, and a steady community that mostly follows the rules is formed

[hybrid flame]

wait we got note for this

... mpreg

[last crow]

#19303 📣 mpreg emoji:

Please don't use the mpreg emoji

Ask yourself, what does the mpreg emoji convey?
That something is stupid, impossible, invalid, etc.

Why is that?
Because the idea of a pregnant man (think trans men) is somehow invalid and stupid — that's pretty clear transphobia...

Many people don't consider this line of thought, and it only creates negative associations.
We should all strive for being respectful with each other. Please avoid using that emoji in the future. Thank you.

[high ginkgo]

🤦‍♀️

Tell me thus

This

[jolly isle]

Amie likely saw it already in this thread

[high ginkgo]

If you tell a human to not do something, will they not do it

[hybrid flame]

oh

[high ginkgo]

Or will they do it again

Again these dumb children need to learn not everything can be served on a gold plate with a diamond edged platinum fork

There's always going to be some edgy loser crying over something as dumb as an emoji because their parents didn't sit them down and teach them how to behave or show emotional maturity

[hybrid flame]

so what is your proposed solution in short?

[high ginkgo]

Ive got 3:

A. Reverse the ban, put out an announcement saying TLDR "dear kids of this server please shut the fuck up, learn to tolerate each other and stop bothering us with every itsy bitsy bit of issues. You have your parents for that purpose not us. We're here to promote a safe space for all without comprising on anything. We have actual lives. Fight all you want in DMS or elsewhere but not here, thank you for your time"

B. Hire more mods ? Keep catering towards the dumb kids which expect everything on a gold plate and reverse the ban

C. Do absolutely nothing which makes this server look like some Chinese Russian sponsored dictatorship at its central server.

I get it man, you lot are tired, ive moderated servers before and I know how annoying it gets but if some dumb kids are getting touchy because mummy didn't let them out of their walled garden, its their problem not yours. If you do the first option, a lot of them will yell or say stupid shit, but it filters out the idiots and youre gonna notice in some time a stable growing community of people who mostly follow the important rules and your job in the long run will be cut down

[modern sleet]

netkv received a thank you cookie!

[hybrid flame]

tbh, enforcing the mpreg ban isnt hard at all
but yes we do need more mods regardless

[high ginkgo]

Exactly

Just tell the server "please stop treating us like the UN"

[hybrid flame]

also mpreg emoji is not banned in contexts it makes sense

if you happen to talk about pregnant man, feel free to use it

well not as react, that is handled by robot as thats the place its used very heavily

[high ginkgo]

Just hire more mods, add some more stuff to automod and tell the kids to just shut up

Problem solved

[hybrid flame]

thats what happended pretty much

[jolly isle]

I mean no edgy loser has been doing that, maybe you're mixing things up?

[jolly isle]

Yeah we did add it to the automod yag custom command

[high ginkgo]

Idk how the moderation layout here is

My advice is to have mods with alternating time zones

So there's always someone active

[hybrid flame]

sadly the pool for mods is too little, not enough trustable members willing to mod here

so its complicated

[rotund cloud]

Sure, just find someone that wanna stay up late NA time or an asian with no job

See... not that easy.

Sometimes Grav can cover up since hes up during that time but back during xmas there was only me, hazel and ssh sometimes.

Rest are mostly EU

[hybrid flame]

and you and hazel stepped down
so welp

[high ginkgo]

find mods who can only mute not have control of the server

thats what i did

[rotund cloud]

Yeah and SSH takes a small break these days.

[high ginkgo]

cant ban just mute

[hybrid flame]

thats intresting idea i also thought of before

like sort of submod, only being able to send people to chillzone
idk if it'd work, havent thought enough

[rotund cloud]

HU cant even delete msgs anymore. I dont think senior mod would let HUs mute

[hybrid flame]

senior HU lol

but yeah

prolly not viable either

[high ginkgo]

just add ability to mute and thats it

[hybrid flame]

welp it needs to come from bottom, first we need expand HU count and then see if some are fit and want to mod

[high ginkgo]

glad i could... help ?

[rotund cloud]

Honestly modding here isnt as thrilling as you think.

[high ginkgo]

oh im all aware i moderate a server (did 3 a year ago) and its tiring

[rotund cloud]

Sometimes you just dont feel like doing the police at 2am because someone decides to be annoying.

[high ginkgo]

being mod is fun for some 14 year old

who thinks " i can ban !!!!"

[hybrid flame]

just open tickets if you see wrong stuff, will be dealt with

[high ginkgo]

great, will do that

[hybrid flame]

yeah

[high ginkgo]

its tiring yeah telling the same thing over and over and over

anyhow will open tickets, ill keep that in mind

i must get back to work now, all the best !

[hardy forge]

So I have longer more thorough messages above, and I do agree with your perfect world sentiment, it would be far better to ban transphobes and pick mes who mis use it if they aren't open to understanding the toxic way they've used it is unacceptable. Sadly, there are only so many hours in the day, and mod workload is something we don't want to be unecessarily high.
A lot of people don't think about the way words, meme's and emojis are used (basically the fundamentals of language / communication).
The original intent of the emoji was inclusivity, this is not something that is lost on the mod team. In this server I have never seen the mpreg being used specifically for inclusivity in an obvious way, there was one debateable example, but it's not worth revisiting.

Most of the time it has been used to say:
The message I am mpreg reacting to is stupid/"gay" (in a homophobic manner)/invalid/something I disagree with.
Why would mpreg mean that? The only reasonable conclusion I've ever seen is that the idea of a man being pregnant is at least one of the above.

This in turn means that men being pregnant is being conflated with this.

Catching and then moderating everyone using it in that way is a lot. It is thus far better just to block the reaction.

This free's up moderator time to deal with other issues, or just be able to enjoy the server, or just be able to do other things in their free time.

Aside from 1 questionable case I have only seen man pregnant emoji used to not be inclusive, but instead be transphobic in that it erases the lived experience a trans man may have of being pregnant.

[plucky hazel]

Make Alice mod

[plucky hazel]

Even better make me mod I'm sure the mod team will love my opinions

[tender dragon]

told my irl friends about the alc mpreg ban, it was the worst news they have heard in years

they hated it

[hardy forge]

Would you perhaps like to offer up an argument instead?

[jolly isle]

Rip they're transphobic

[tender dragon]

I just don't think it's transphobic

They are also gay

I'm pan

[hardy forge]

you don't think equating being a pregnant man with an idea being stupid / invalid is transphobic?

[tender dragon]

I mean I just don't think that's what the emoji means

If anything isn't it the opposite

[jolly isle]

Have you really not seen how it's used in the wild?

[hardy forge]

so when someone uses the mpreg emoji on a message they disagree with...what does the emoji mean in that context?

[tender dragon]

I've never seen it used like that

[jolly isle]

Its used when you think a message is stupid

We've seen it many times

[hardy forge]

that's how it's been used in this server, consistently, as well as just in general on the internet, which is how I can tell you haven't read any of this #1006744879583461418 thread :/

[tender dragon]

That's more of an issue with the server than the emoji tho

[jolly isle]

...

[hardy forge]

Again, not just this server. What is your proposal on how to deal with this issue?

[tender dragon]

Idk I'm not a mod

Just giving my opinion

Not my choice to make

[hardy forge]

Please re-read this...because, I asked you for your opinion on what a better solution would be, and, you seem to think that that means I think you're a mod?? like...what??

[tender dragon]

The opposite

[jolly isle]

Why if you don't even read the thread

[tender dragon]

Cause I'm lazy

Not reading allat for some discord emoji ban

Frankly I dont care enough

[jolly isle]

Then why did you reply

[tender dragon]

Bored

[hardy forge]

[tender dragon]

[hardy forge]

such a bad faith waste of time thing to do.

[jolly isle]

People don't even base their opinions on anything anymore they just reply

I'll find some examples of people using it as a invalid reaction in the reaction log tomorrow if I remember

[hardy forge]

honestly if you want to give your opinion, at least have the backbone to follow through, to do some basic research, hell it'd have taken 3 minutes to read some of the messages above and understand the issue. Instead you just come in here and prance about like a pheasant

[rotund cloud]

...but reading is hard.

[crimson turtle]

big example right here

i highly doubt those 11 people were reacting to show their solidarity with pregnant transmascs around the world

and if they were they failed horribly

like again if you really care that much about t he emoji

just think about what youre using it for

because most of the time youre using it strictly because pregnant man funny

pregnant man funny because of cisnormative belief that men can not be pregnant

without that transphobic cisnormativity, theres nothing funny about it

theres no real reason to use it

unless, well, you were a pregnant man

which, wouldnt you know, theres not alot of pregnant people in general right now

definitely not enough to warrant a huge discussion on it on this discord server

[hardy forge]

And you can still use it in messages, just can't use it as a direct reaction, though obviously using it transphobically will warrant likely moderation intervention

[ripe marsh]

what the fuck are we talking about 🔥🔥

as someone gay as hell in a billion gay discords and situations in my life, as well as all the trans communities and what not (im genderfluid, amab, only recently considering transfem) the emoji is used to joke about mpreg being possible 99% of the time 😭

type shit argument that got the fucking gun emoji removed bro

Like the fact that stupid note says the idea of pregnant transmasc men is somehow wrong because an EMOJI CREATING TO BE THERE FOR SAID PEOPLE is the dumbest thing I've ever heard

[ripe marsh]

it's that or gay couples wanting to be pregnant most the time, both completely fine by me

[ripe marsh]

There are plenty of idiots that join and spam Jewish flags, eggplants, whatever, that does not justify banning the fucking emoji because one idiot uses it weirdly. Even then, it's pretty hard to incorrectly use an mpreg emoji anyway in retrospect 😭

anyway there's my yap, let me use my mpreg emoji freely this is homophobic 💔

[hardy forge]

It was very consistently used by people who were saying "this message is invalid", that's how it is used outside of specific lgbtq spaces much kd the time.

The emojii itself isn't the problem, the way its used is.
You surely agree that people who equate a man as being pregnant with invalid are being transphobic?

[ripe marsh]

can't tell what side you're on or what you're saying

[hardy forge]

I'm pretty sure Jewish flag react is also not possible in this server as it was being used as a way of being anti-semetic

[ripe marsh]

that's ridiculous

[hardy forge]

What have I said that is unclear

[ripe marsh]

this is like a weird victim blaming type scenario of banning the emoji and not the idiots using it

if someone comes in and uses color square emojis to spam Nazi flags, do we ban said emojis or the horrible user? 💀

[hardy forge]

I actually agree it'd be better to moderate people and if they won't change remove them, but it is a 40K server and there aren't that many mods

[ripe marsh]

like my ability to say "oh my god I hate 🏳️‍⚧️🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈 liberal bullshit" does not mean we should ban the fucking emojis and flags representing the people instead of just removing the user saying such shit

[hardy forge]

Sometimes it is easier to reduce the things that need moderating

[hardy forge]

Again that is not the same use of emoji

[ripe marsh]

40k members almost never means it's super active. there's like max 10 people in a chat most of the time

[ripe marsh]

you literally just said it

I can use the 🫃in a homophobic or transphobic way, that doesn't make the emoji the problem oml

this is like the same dumbass argument that got the gun emoji removed from phones and replaced with a stupid water gun

[hardy forge]

No I said it was bring used as synonymous for "invalid"

Someone saying I hate 🏳️‍⚧️ " is not using the flag as synonymous with another meaning. They're obviously being transphobic but the way their using a flag does not show two different concepts being conflated as one.

[ripe marsh]

whatre we on about

do you seriously think some individual somewhere that suggested a pregnant man emoji be in everyone's phone/app be done so he can go be transphobic

lmfao

[hardy forge]

No one said this

Do you need a minute to compose yourself?

[ripe marsh]

what

oh my fucking

I told you idek which side you're on lol

[hardy forge]

Are you asking if I hate trans people?

[ripe marsh]

this message here sounds like you're agreeing with banning on the basis of people consistently abusing it

[hardy forge]

I am presenting the logic that the moderators used to ban it

[ripe marsh]

said logic can be applied to literally any emoji, not to mention I can easily replace any banned emoji with one in a discord server with nitro

[hardy forge]

And the frequency of cases mods needed to talk to people about said emoji? Also if someone just switches to another one the mods can tell they're avoiding the not equivalent of automod and take action more easily, in your case you came to talk about it instead or subverting the ban

[ripe marsh]

okay here's a long ass explanation on this thread that should, to me, be the final verdict on it.

This is about as logical as banning a letter because it can be used in a hateful sentence. Any emoji can be used in any way to say pretty much anything, it should obviously just be handled on a case by case basis.

There is a trend with using all lgbtq emojis, a few religious/country emojis, and even things like ♿ to be anti-whatever or ableist or homophobic or transphobic or whatever phobic. People react with 🏳️‍🌈 thatre homophobic to treat being gay/lgbtq as an insult, people react with ✝️ or similar to lgbtq peoples message like they want to perform an exorcism or some shit, people react with ♿ to call someone or their message disabled/stupid, people react with Jewish symbols/flags (not really educated on the religion sorry) to make antisemitic jokes.

Idiotic hateful assholes will use anything at their disposal to be idiotic hateful assholes... 😭

You can't ban language because people can use it say horrible things. The people that are the type to do so will do it with anything and everything, and can easily be perm banned from the server. We don't need any of that here, and we don't need to hinder sane peoples ability to use emojis just to try and help (and fail) with dealing with those assholes.

If any argument with emoji banning is present in moderation shit, it's always banning foreign server emojis because people can bring some graphic/nsfw shit into the server with them. Not some odd ban on somehow transphobic trans emojis.

[hardy forge]

If it helps I actually argued this and that it would be better to get rid of people unwilling to change their ways and stop using it transphobically. Not sure if I made that argument here or in a now closed ticket

[ripe marsh]

mreow

if anything, banning it is even more pointless because those horrible people tend to have their own collection of horrible emojis to throw around.

[hardy forge]

Didn't think I would agree with your take once you wrote it all out 😂, most people come here to say that transphobic use of it isn't transphobic

[ripe marsh]

like I said the weird ban is even more pointless when you consider that I can bring in any super hateful imagery in emojis with nitro

thank god that's not banned though! because:

[hardy forge]

Not really, you can also misspell slurs to circumvent automod, that will just illicit a harsher reaction from the mods

You have a mix of very good and utterly awful arguments 😂

[ripe marsh]

I think you're just misreading shit

overall take: ban the idiots instead of trying to implement complex control that censors us

slurs is a whole other argument and not something I really mentioned, I mean emojis specifically

I was saying banning those does nothing if someone wants to go copy them into another server, therefore no longer the same emoji in discord, then continue using them in hateful ways

With slurs on discord, all you can really do is automod the correct spellings, maybe use some regex fuckery to catch some obvious bypasses, then handle everything else case by case by just banning the idiot using them

[hardy forge]

As I say bypassing the ban will just illicit a harsher response from the mods

[ripe marsh]

yeah

so?..

doesn't help the situation, I still can't mpreg react 💔

[stray meadow]

Ticket #4839 opened in #1499673808959836251

[hardy forge]

That is a different argument

[hardy forge]

Pinned this because I think its a well written argument that I agree with

[ripe marsh]

this thread is about unbanning the emoji and removing the sound note on it though

[hardy forge]

Sound note?

[ripe marsh]

oh my god autocorrect

the stupid note

[hardy forge]

What stupid note?

.n mpreg

[last crow]

#19303 📣 mpreg emoji:

Please don't use the mpreg emoji

Ask yourself, what does the mpreg emoji convey?
That something is stupid, impossible, invalid, etc.

Why is that?
Because the idea of a pregnant man (think trans men) is somehow invalid and stupid — that's pretty clear transphobia...

Many people don't consider this line of thought, and it only creates negative associations.
We should all strive for being respectful with each other. Please avoid using that emoji in the future. Thank you.

[ripe marsh]

this

[hardy forge]

That?

[ripe marsh]

yeah

I scrolled all the way then you sent it 🥀

[hardy forge]

You could have sent it yourself lol

[ripe marsh]

well to me this how reversing the ban needs to be done

[hardy forge]

The note is meant to be used in the context of people using it transphobically

[ripe marsh]

I'm new to being active here somewhat I've never used the bot like that haven't memorized all the names for the notes

[hardy forge]

It isn't meant to be sent just because someone sends mpreg

[ripe marsh]

it seems to sound like it shouldn't even be an emoji

is kinda funny that the note is about trans men when I mostly see gay couples use it talking about wanting mpreg to be possible

like amab pregnancy

[hardy forge]

It is a context specific note to be clear, it is not meant to be sent if someone is using the emoji legitimately (read: not bigotedly)

[ripe marsh]

One day we will have peak humanity and mpreg will be real 🔥

[hardy forge]

If it is used outside of the context someone has misubderstood

[ripe marsh]

im saying it doesn't sound clear on that to me and sounds like, regardless of context, that it's just telling people to never ever use it

like it could at least be better written to address the bad usage

[hardy forge]

Do you want to help write a better note for it?

[ripe marsh]

atp its just falling under the no discrimination rules anyway

we don't need a whole note unless the notes gonna explain why people shouldn't be discriminatory

which, people aren't gonna listen to anyway

🥀

[hardy forge]

I mean people don't seem to understand that when they use it that way that it is transphobic

[ripe marsh]

the literal first lines is telling you to question what the emoji itself means, then says it's conveying that something is stupid 😭

which I saw someone mention it can be easily used to say im just full of food or feel fat as well

so

idk

🥀🥀🥀

lemme mpreg react grr

vro I can female pregnant react stuff tho what the fuck

🥀

[hardy forge]

Sure, now you know the intention behind it do you want to help write a better note to replace it with?

[ripe marsh]

Why do we think pregnancy makes something stupid anyway

[ripe marsh]

like I've said, me rewriting the note is just gonna be a reiteration of the rules for the server

im sleep not goodnight

[hardy forge]

The people using it are saying specifically men being pregnant, not just pregnancy by itself

[ripe marsh]

sexist

🥀

Idfk I have no real response for that message

[hardy forge]

Its more transphobic than sexist though I suppose most transphobia is rooted in sexism...

[ripe marsh]

pregnant men are specifically stupid or something -> sexist

was joking tho kinda

[ripe marsh]

well I mean let's look at that anyway

why is mpreg any worse than female preg reacting something

[hardy forge]

Because people think men can't get pregnant and thus that the idea of it is invalid and so they use the emoji of a man being pregnant to say that the message they're replying to is stupid/invalid.

[ripe marsh]

transmasc mpreg people exist and amab pregnancy being more possible and easy would be great

it's apparently like scientifically possible just a pain to do

[hardy forge]

I am so confused...obviously I know transmasc mpreg people exist...I'm arguing against using them as a punching bag, as were you in the message that I pinned

[ripe marsh]

I keep mentioning that the emoji is not solely used for transmasc pregnancy is the thing

[hardy forge]

I mean I see it used for people to say they have a food baby sometimes, but that's very rare.

I had someone I blocked come at me in this server in bad faith to tell me they knew trans masc people had no issue with it being used to mean invalid and thus that I was the problem at one point

[ripe marsh]

it's pretty common for gay dudes to spam mpreg emojis 🔥

great now I have all this in my recents

hope destroying my recent emoji list for this argument was worth it

[hybrid flame]

for one🫃 isn't banned in text nor is there reason to as that doesn't cause additional headache (deleted messages are all logged)

but thing is, we've just recently had there bunch of trolls reacting 🫃 ✡️ 🇮🇱 and such on messages of specific people and unreacting second after, that is impossible to deal with without going crazy

but really, i haven't seen 🫃 used in it's original sense like ever here, it's always some variation of "this message is stupid"

[ripe marsh]

all my fav ones are now buried

[ripe marsh]

ban then oml

why is this server obsessed with keeping horrible people here

[hybrid flame]

?

[ripe marsh]

if seen someone demolish rule 1a twice in a day and never receive a longer than 10 minute mute 😭

[hybrid flame]

i dont understand

i've been banning those emoji react trolls

[ripe marsh]

I told cherry this server feels way to patient and tolerable of peoples bs

[ripe marsh]

then why is it banned lol

you do realize it's being unreacted a second after bc it gets automatically removed right

[hybrid flame]

no?

[ripe marsh]

that's the ban I don't like here

[ripe marsh]

yah lol

[hybrid flame]

no

[ripe marsh]

I can't react to any message with those

[ripe marsh]

yes.

you're a mod you probably are immune

[hybrid flame]

...
even before they were filtered, the trolls kept unreacting these

[ripe marsh]

they get deleted instantly if you try to react to messages with them

[hybrid flame]

...

[ripe marsh]

and if you're literally admitting you ban them, then why auto delete the reactions

I want my mpreg reaction untouched 💔

[hybrid flame]

i am confused

what is your point

[ripe marsh]

why

[hybrid flame]

how am i supposed to deal with someone who keeps reacting and unreacting emojis on messages

[ripe marsh]

I don't want it to be reaction banned, and if you're literally saying you ban the people that spam it, then why is it even blocked

[ripe marsh]

haven't personally seen them remove the reactions

[hybrid flame]

i do that because it being filtered results going into logs

without that, it was impossible

so whole offtopic got derailed by people trying to figure out wtf is going on

[ripe marsh]

you are aware you can just see who did the reaction right

[hybrid flame]

how

[ripe marsh]

and can log them removing it without removing it then logging it im pretty sure

[ripe marsh]

if it's not deleted it lets you

[hybrid flame]

but well again
i've never seen 🫃 react used in any sense but "this message is stupid" here

[ripe marsh]

if people are legitimately deleting it a second after, which I've never seen happen outside the filter deleting them, then there's probably a way to just log that event instead of filtering it

[hybrid flame]

similarly i haven't seen used 🇮🇱 ✡️ used in any way but "israel spyware something"

[ripe marsh]

I like explained all the stupid cases where people abuse emojis

it's just dumb

[hybrid flame]

so what would unfiltering mpreg do?
cause moderation headache, we simply dont have enough manpower

[ripe marsh]

lol I can still 🏳️‍🌈 react which is way more of a problem lol

[hybrid flame]

i havent seen that used in purely "this is stupid sense" tbf

[ripe marsh]

like I said I've never seen people deleting it beyond the filter

if that is the case

[hybrid flame]

ask @jovial summit , he's been targetted by the troll pretty much

[ripe marsh]

I can go and do that with literally any nitro emoji right now to annoy people

[hybrid flame]

you can

but would you buy nitro for your 10 alts?

[ripe marsh]

why is 10 alts in the question lol

[hybrid flame]

that's what happended few days ago lol

but well outside of that, simply most trolls dont have nitro

[ripe marsh]

plenty of ways to counter people alt accounting that are way more helpful than just taking random emoji reactions away

[hybrid flame]

so it reduces the volume that needs active checking

[ripe marsh]

I'm mostly whining because I deal with plenty of mod shit and this shouldn't really help as much as it's claiming to

might as well do what all huge servers do, and just gate reaction perms to some level system

[hybrid flame]

so instead of blocking emojis that are more often than not used in bad sense, remove all until you are more chronically online?

[ripe marsh]

we are both currently saying we don't actually see the issue with most of the emojis lol

"more often than not" people are homophobic assholes, should I punish the queer people for their actions? 💔

like the general common population is shitty people apparently

[hybrid flame]

i mean, idk what's up with people using 🫃 , like hell people who otherwise aren't queerphobic seem to often use it for 'stupid'

[ripe marsh]

like I said the most common use is just gay couples or gay people just spamming it

transmasc or not

that's how I see it used lol

[hybrid flame]

no?

[ripe marsh]

that's how I see it used

[hybrid flame]

the most common use is

"this message is stupid"

[ripe marsh]

all the like queer safe space server whatever

although

it was mostly in a boykisser server so

[ripe marsh]

well within sane peoples not looking at whatever mass Nazi population wants to do with it

but like you're kind of saying I don't even see that anymore

i saw it be an issue when the emojis were added somewhat, then all the homophobic people realized they look gay using them so often or something

like logically if you're gonna hate gay people for no reason why would you use their 🫃 so often

[hybrid flame]

you think those people think logically?

[ripe marsh]

just a theory idk why the usage died off in my experience

[ripe marsh]

lol

they think they do

all hateful people believe their logic is sound and they've figured it all out

[hybrid flame]

but well, this is simply problem that there isnt enough mods to deal with this
and it's better now than in past

but still

[ripe marsh]

I see plenty of reaction problems happen here beyond the ones that have been banned

[hybrid flame]

if you do, report them please

[ripe marsh]

saw some idiot spam the letter emoji thingy to type out bad things

well react them

[hybrid flame]

but well, this is simply problem that there isnt enough mods to deal with this
so no wonder it gets unnoticed often

[ripe marsh]

think it was banned

but I'm saying this bc no reaction ban is really gonna universally solve the issue

[hybrid flame]

its not going to

no one thinks that

[ripe marsh]

there's reasons this isn't a super common thing for servers to do

[hybrid flame]

but it reduces the load

[ripe marsh]

like I keep saying, idiots will use anything at their disposal

[hybrid flame]

true

[ripe marsh]

does it help that much

anyone

having this issue

is gonna open a ticket or ping mods

most people love to mini mod for the mods

🥀

[hybrid flame]

if that was for every bad use of a react, i think i'd go insane and quit ngl

[ripe marsh]

it's not as common as you're saying I feel like

[hybrid flame]

it is

atleast here

idk why

[ripe marsh]

surely we don't genuinely just have idiots all day long doing this

please

atp yes, gating to people thatve sent more than 2 messages in the server makes sense

usually the idiots doing that contribute no real meaningful messages or anything

[hybrid flame]

also ty for making me check logs, not for 🫃 but we got another 🇮🇱 spammer

[ripe marsh]

🥀

these people cannot be real

you can also definitely do this, I've done it myself

if someone is spamming something, deleting it after or not, that can be singled out and they can automatically muted or banned or whatever

automatic bans are usually annoying tho it will rarely have false positives

[ripe marsh]

just have a counter for how many times someone has done the same reaction over a certain amount of time

meow

easiest to just time them out the first time then extend it the second or something then eventually role ban or perm mute

[hybrid flame]

well
imho ig we should try unbanning them, leaving the bot to log it, and see if that causes armadegon
idk if that would work, but welp trying out ig cant cause that much harm

[ripe marsh]

Ig I have to be a bit biased here though since not every mod on every server wants to go build an entire bot to solve issues like I would

[ripe marsh]

role ban then asking what the hell they're doing usually works

then a second incident after that makes it clear they don't need to be in the server

[hybrid flame]

@stray meadow rn is used for this filter which can do lot of custom command things

[ripe marsh]

mmm

I write my own stuff for dumb problems like this usually

[hybrid flame]

yeah

[ripe marsh]

not in charge or mod in any servers that are big enough to have issues anymore tho

[jovial summit]

Oh yeah for sure

[jovial summit]

Yeah @ripe marsh someone made like 12 accounts just to spam react me

I got proof too hold on

[ripe marsh]

bro has a secret lover wtf

plenty of shit to deal with people alt accounting though

bleh

[ripe marsh]

idk what the hell this is supposed to accomplish

[jovial summit]

Proof of unemployment

[ripe marsh]

this type of behavior like would be pro Jewish if anything lmfao

you're just spamming religious emojis

that makes them LOOK RELIGIOUS

sigh

idk

might just fucking delete discord atp

everything is stupid

[jovial summit]

No not really it's pretty well known that spamming these emojis just means you're hating on someone and you also hate Jewish people and Judaism

[hybrid flame]

but well since it is logged, @jolly isle maybe we could try removing the deletion part from the bot and only leaving it logged?

[ripe marsh]

I mean to me personally

if I spam a bunch of gay flags

that looks gay

idk why it would mean anything else

[hybrid flame]

aswell in that case the log could prolly be extended to also have 🫄 🤰 and other religious symbols, eg ✝️ ☦️ ☪️

[ripe marsh]

just saying they look stupid doing it since Im sure plenty of people are gonna believe they like whatever they're spamming

[jovial summit]

Yeah but when you only spam add and spam remove them
And only to one specific person
From dozens of accounts
It doesn't look like a love message 😭

[ripe marsh]

you're telling me

[jovial summit]

Yes

[ripe marsh]

that one color isn't removed

jesus

this whole thing really accomplishes nothing then

[jovial summit]

OH ALSO @hybrid flame prolly Indian flag
Seen so many people on Twitter use it to hate on Microsoft 😭

[hybrid flame]

because 🫃 is the one trolls use, havent seen much 🫄 being used lol

[ripe marsh]

I just had a convo with my friend about most homophobic shit being projections lmao

maybe they're just secretly super religious or something

[ripe marsh]

ig theyre too stupid to see two colors

[hybrid flame]

yea

[ripe marsh]

Genuinely cannot be real people

Who is doing this 💔💔💔

[jovial summit]

Then that'd make Judaism the #1 religion seeing how many people spam Netanyahu GIFs on Instagram

[jovial summit]

Real

[hybrid flame]

welp ig lets await response from admins
if yall have any other emojis you think would be worth logging (not banning), do tell ig

[ripe marsh]

I'm sure it does genuinely get misunderstood as pro Judaism by some people

especially if I'm someone that's misunderstanding it right now lol

[ripe marsh]

pretty much everything in my message the other person pinned should be logged

there's rarely ever legitimate use of ♿ as a reaction I feel like

idk if its that common anymore though

[hybrid flame]

ig, if its uncommon, having it in log doesnt hurt

and welp havent seen 🏳️‍🌈 problematically ig

[ripe marsh]

I've had people cross react me here and in other servers for talking about gay stuff

[ripe marsh]

rarer on niche servers like this

I've only seen that in stupid massive game servers like Fortnite 🥀

Shit with 800k+ members has to be fucking miserable to mod idk how they handle it 😭

can already see the struggles here at 40k

[jovial summit]

So think about this
Israel did stuff that people absolutely hate (@hybrid flame don't snipe me for contro I never said I hate or stuff like that)
And people adopted Israel as a symbol of everything that's bad, spying, censorship, etc.
So now whenever you see a video on Instagram with something about surveillance people will spam these Israel GIFs and say they hate this surveillance and everything

[jovial summit]

-# Btw that guy also used this flag

[ripe marsh]

this is like people saying "that's gay" as an insult to me

homophobic people

[jovial summit]

Exactly

[ripe marsh]

just call everything they don't like gay

it's really stupid

[jovial summit]

See you get it now most of these people are just antisemitic

[ripe marsh]

well

still happens with homophobic people though

if someone walks into a room with a gay flag they look pretty gay to me

[jovial summit]

Yes

[ripe marsh]

if someone spams rainbows

[jovial summit]

Bruh

[ripe marsh]

majority is probably gonna think they're gay

especially when me a mega gay likes to spam rainbows too

:3

[jovial summit]

I mean if you spam rainbows and sunshine out of context most people are prolly gonna think you're someone's grandma who doesn't speak English (ball knowledge required)

[ripe marsh]

what if
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[ripe marsh]

there's like plenty of horrible human beings that re gay too

gay doesn't mean someone a good person

Furries have huge issues with there being obviously terrible people we don't want anywhere near the community

that end up creating awful rep for furries

💔

that's like the closest I can imagine to what your saying with religion

since I avoid and hate religious shit and don't know anything about it, especially anything other than Christianity

[jovial summit]

Trust me I know that very well 😭

Seen so many people using their identity as a shield to say do everything they want

[jovial summit]

Yes

[ripe marsh]

there's a fucking AWFUL transfem girl that makes tiktoks and shit, most trans people prob know who I'm talking about right now

Her comments are full of people dead naming and misgendering her

[jovial summit]

I don't even know that much about religion itself I just saw that people use Israel as a symbol of anything that's bad

[ripe marsh]

well her acts are all very related to being trans, they make sure of it

[ripe marsh]

I like say "that's straight bruh" sometimes in my friend groups bc it's funny to do the opposite 🥀

[ripe marsh]

but I still respect their pronouns and identity despite this I guess

🥀

[hardy forge]

@hybrid flame have you read the message I pinned?

[hybrid flame]

yes

[plucky hazel]

Holy shut this thread is a month old guys

Can you just leave it

@hybrid flame could u lock this thread

[hybrid flame]

now that it finally became productive?

[plucky hazel]

Oh shit I didn't actually read it lol

Ig not then

Just saw activity in a month old thread and went bruh

[hardy forge]

You can also unfollow the thread if you wish

[plucky hazel]

Oh shit ur right

Thx!

[crimson turtle]

i think itrs nice that people are willing to argue that tthe mpreg emoji is great for transmasc representation and all that

but unfortunately the actual usage of the emoji is just brainless

the problem is we are trying to qualitatively explain why peiople use the emoji

same with the star of david emoji or the israeli flag emoji

the people who spam those emojis arent doing it to critique a religion or a government or to say this message is ridiculous

youre all wrong

the people who spam those emojis do it because it stimulates them for a bit and nothing else

theyve decided being annoying makes them happy

theres no underlying reason or belief or strategy

its literally shitposting

its the stereotypical idiot going "deee duh doo haha mpreg hee hee hoo duh"

and we have to accept that

its like posting 67 or whatever

youre not posting it as a meta commentary on meme culture and how simple things can be blown up to be made a massive phenomenon

its just a stim

that someone hasnt learned is very disruptive and kinda disrespectful to transmascs

its just the natural evolution of the rawr xd random humor

[ripe marsh]

this just circles back to my point on banning things bc people can be stupid with them

[ripe marsh]

do not compare my cute rawr behavior to banning mpreg emoji 💔

[ripe marsh]

it's funny to them bc it's discrimination and hate, not just bc it's an emoji and annoying.

the fact they're using it to be annoying doesn't make the usage okay

but still, like I've been saying banning it isn't the fix

[hybrid flame]

welp again as long as its logged all in logs, i think it'd be manageable to have it unbanned
ig pending response from admins

[ripe marsh]

are y'all open to new bots or anything

I could find or play with making something to help

point system to detect reaction spams and such would be neat imo

[hybrid flame]

idk

gotta ask admins or anna, tho i dont think they'd be for new bots

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jovial summit]

PR to @modern sleet

[modern sleet]

[jovial summit]

Shut up

[modern sleet]

[jolly isle]

We use a YAGPDB custom command to remove and log the reaction.
Yag has custom info database to which the custom commands can write to

[median flicker]

What did you PR lol

[ripe marsh]

💔

not even from the dev of boykisser os

how could you

[hardy forge]

You agree that there's a problem but disagree regarding the solution

[ripe marsh]

i explained in depth that people using something bad doesn't make that thing bad

mreow

[median flicker]

People using fentanyl doesn't make heroin bad
People using phosphorus bombs doesn't make phosphorus bombs bad
People using dumb arguments doesn't make dumb arguments bad

[jovial summit]

People using rootkits doesn't make rootkits bad
- LFS users

[ripe marsh]

I mean yes?

fent is used in hospitals, no comment on the phosphorus, and yeah dumb arguments don't make all arguments bad

[pearl lotus]

Transphobia aside

It's still annoying regardless