arch linux internet connection

[brave portal]

@bright shoal @pine minnow

idk whats happening

wtf

now my usb started to make a beeping sound

i think it’s working now

and please be careful to check what it says so the same thing doesnt happen i really wanna get this to work

im still at square 1 and i started 8am EUC time

[bright shoal]

honestly i think a clean install would be best

much less jank

[brave portal]

-_-

thought it was fixable

[bright shoal]

It is (just will take long)

[brave portal]

i practically got everything ready

just need to do some commands and im good

[pine minnow]

it shouldnt take long

[bright shoal]

hmm

[pine minnow]

i have no idea why mkinitcpio didnt work

[brave portal]

like u gotta understand 6 hours since i started the whole process (I COUNTED WRONG EARLIER) mb for caps and im STILL square ONE

[pine minnow]

that should have been it for the driver issues

[pine minnow]

yeah valid

[bright shoal]

Yeah I remember my first time was like that

I stayed up all night

It gets easier dw

[brave portal]

i really thought that arch was so easy i just had to do this and that and i would be done

YET IM STILL HERE 😭

[bright shoal]

If you want something easy, Arch is not the one you want

[brave portal]

im too far in now.

im not gonna waste 6 hours to switch to something "user friendly"

[bright shoal]

Not really
I mean

[brave portal]

im too deep into it

[bright shoal]

Sure ig

[brave portal]

im in here now

im guessing wifi is the first thing i gotta connect

i forgot the command

[pine minnow]

iwctl station wlan0 connect <ssid>

[brave portal]

alright i connected

[pine minnow]

you should only need to

1. mount partition 1 & 2
2. mkinicpio
3. bootctl install

right? @bright shoal

[brave portal]

ooo i feel like a hacker now

[pine minnow]

lmao

[brave portal]

i remember in my mind "ping -c 4 1.1.1.1"

[pine minnow]

peak

[brave portal]

and it worked

alr so

[bright shoal]

yeah

[brave portal]

HOW do we do this

[pine minnow]

now the main question is

why did it not work last time

[brave portal]

maybe i typed something wrong?

[bright shoal]

well he's in the live boot now

[pine minnow]

i dont think so

ig just try again

[brave portal]

alright whats the commands

[pine minnow]

it should be:

mount /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt
mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mnt/boot
arch-chroot /mnt
mkinitcpio -P
bootctl install

[brave portal]

cant wait to make arch linux my whole personality 😸

[obtuse laurel]

and configure an entry for Arch if they haven't

[brave portal]

alright and this time im gonna send you everything it says and lmk if anything is wrong

[pine minnow]

oh systemdboot doesnt do that automatically, you're right

[brave portal]

argument?

[obtuse laurel]

-P

[pine minnow]

capital P

[brave portal]

right

[pine minnow]

arguments are the things after the main command eg command argument1 argument2 arguemnt3

[brave portal]

whats this

[pine minnow]

okay the thing is its still saying your hostname is archiso

which is really weird

[bright shoal]

that's fine

hold on

[brave portal]

be4 it was astral

[obtuse laurel]

Is your boot partition mounted?

[brave portal]

idk

[bright shoal]

lsblk

[brave portal]

dont even know what that is

[obtuse laurel]

Try running mount -a and running it again

[bright shoal]

ls /boot

[brave portal]

hich one first

[obtuse laurel]

It'll automatically mount your partitions according to your fstab

[brave portal]

is this true?

[bright shoal]

the ones i sent

[pine minnow]

yeah, thats the purpose of that command

[brave portal]

alr so i run mount -a now

[obtuse laurel]

It's already mounted

[pine minnow]

its mounted already

[brave portal]

so i dont need to run it

[bright shoal]

I don't see Linux LTS so I'm not surprised that it's not building an initramfs

[obtuse laurel]

Check if there's any file for Linux lts in /etc/mkinitcpio.d

[brave portal]

what if the archinstaller i downloaded was malware?

[pine minnow]

unlikely

[bright shoal]

It's not

[brave portal]

cause i never verified it

[bright shoal]

It's not

[brave portal]

just flashed it after to my usb

[bright shoal]

It's not malware dw

[pine minnow]

also if it was malware why would they make it so it breaks your install

[brave portal]

alright

[pine minnow]

that would just tip you off

itd be better for them to make it work as intended

[brave portal]

yeah ur right

so wtf is wrong with my system and what command do i type now

sorry if my tone has changed im really drained thats all

[obtuse laurel]

Run ls /etc/mkinitcpio.d to list the files in that directory

[pine minnow]

nah ik its really fair

also pacman -Q linux-lts

[bright shoal]

run pacman -S linux-lts linux-lts-headers --overwrite -

[bright shoal]

no point listing

It's not in the boot dir

[pine minnow]

oh yea true

[brave portal]

im guessing yes and im showing that so i can show the 2 other commands i typed

[pine minnow]

yes

[brave portal]

cause the installation is gonna cover up

[obtuse laurel]

Interesting, there's no preset for linux

[brave portal]

so something is wrong then

@bright shoal the installation was successful btw

[obtuse laurel]

I would reinstall the linux package as well, it seems to be missing some files too

[bright shoal]

ls /boot

[brave portal]

blurry o nah?

[bright shoal]

Ok now it worked

[brave portal]

other guy was talking about some no preset for linux

so even if this works probably still not gonna work all togheter since the other thing doesnt work then i guess

[obtuse laurel]

If you reinstall the linux package that should fix the issue

[pine minnow]

they did

[brave portal]

and how do i do that when i have linux live booted

do you mean once im on arch without the usb

[obtuse laurel]

pacman -S [package] to install (or reinstall) a package

[pine minnow]

wait even if you didnt install linux its fine

mkinitcpio worked

[bright shoal]

Yes

[obtuse laurel]

Still a little messed up

[brave portal]

@bright shoal do i do this or no? i dont wanna redo everything

[bright shoal]

Yeah sure

[brave portal]

whats the package

[obtuse laurel]

As linux is missing a preset file for mkinitcpip

linux

[brave portal]

like what do i type after pacman +S

alr im installing it

cool

yippie i love arch

everyone should experience the same installation process i have experienced so far : )

[obtuse laurel]

Okay that looks good, you should be able to make a systemd-boot entry now

[brave portal]

how do i do that

[obtuse laurel]

Make a file in /boot/loader/entries/ ending .conf (ex. arch.conf`
That looks something like this

title   Arch Linux
linux   /vmlinuz-linux
initrd  /initramfs-linux.img
options root=[root partition here] rw

Replace the root partition here part with the partition name

[brave portal]

i can do that on live boot?

if i shut down my pc does it reset?

[obtuse laurel]

Yes, use a text editor like nano or vim to create and edit the file

[brave portal]

i really just wanna get liveboot out of the way so i have it all saved and then so i can go to sleep

its soon been 7 hours since ive tried with arch

[obtuse laurel]

Once the bootloader is working everything should be good

You won't lose any progress if you shut down your computer though

[brave portal]

yeah i just wanna get this stupid shit out of the way

so when i hop back on im on arch and not some stupid liveboot usb stick

[obtuse laurel]

So basically nano /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf to edit the file

[brave portal]

what im trying to say i wanan fix all problems now so tommorow i have a functioning arch linux os

but it seems cherrycookies has gotten bored of this and thats understandable

hes been trying to help me for soon 3 hours

same with nickle

[obtuse laurel]

This should be the final step before being able to actually boot Arch

[brave portal]

so what commands do i type to create a folder and do everything we need it to do

i have no idea what its gonna do just give me the commands i'll need to type and ill type it

[obtuse laurel]

The folder should already be created

[brave portal]

is there a command to check if its already created

[obtuse laurel]

Run the nano command above and type out what this says

[obtuse laurel]

nano will fail if it doesn't exist

[brave portal]

so i run

nano /boot/loader/entries/

[obtuse laurel]

No, run this command

[brave portal]

took me here

these are the keybinds i can navigate through cause mouse doesn't work @obtuse laurel

[obtuse laurel]

You should just be able to type out the file for now

[brave portal]

what shoul i name it

[obtuse laurel]

The name should have been picked when you ran the file if you used this

[brave portal]

i mean i ran the command

but i can type inside it

so what do i gotta do next

[obtuse laurel]

Type this out to the file

[brave portal]

like this?

it would be easier if you just said exactly what command i should type so i dotn get confused

[obtuse laurel]

No, the next part of the message

Sorry, I don't have a lot of time right now

The part stating with title Arch Linux

[brave portal]

this is my first day into this idk

i really dont wanna mess anything up but sure i guess i gotta trust my guts

is this what i type inside the file

title Arch Linux
linux /vmlinuz-linux
initrd /initramfs-linux.img
options root=[root partition here] rw

like you gotta be more specific exactly what the command is i really dont wanan mess sht up

@pine minnow idk what to do

idk what he even means

i really just wanna get this done so i can goto sleep

[pine minnow]

tbh just go to sleep and do this in the morning. you wont lose any progress

[brave portal]

im not tired to sleep im just in the annoying state to get this done so i can relax and then go to sleep

yk just chill in bed watching a youtube video or something

its getting kinda repetetive

with commands that doesnt work or fix anything and then i gotta restart

[pine minnow]

did you make the file

[brave portal]

.i did the command he did and this thing opened

[brave portal]

and heres my way of moving things like keybinds ect for the file

[pine minnow]

okay type this into that file

then save it

the title, linux, initrd, and options lines

[brave portal]

can u type the exact thing out for me (im sorry for asking ) im just really confused with what i exactly gotta type

[pine minnow]

where the root partition is the uuid of nvme parition 2

[brave portal]

cause one little mistake can cause a lot of problems

[pine minnow]

which u can find with lsblk -f

[pine minnow]

cant, on mobile

going to sleep in like 2 mins as well

[brave portal]

ur typing rn tho?

[obtuse laurel]

For now they can also use the partition name instead of the UIID which would be quicker for now

[pine minnow]

oh that works? yeah do the partition name

[brave portal]

@obtuse laurel u said this is like the final step could you type the exact things i nee to type in so i dont make any mistakes i really wanna get this done now

[pine minnow]

he did

in the first message

[brave portal]

i have no idea what partition name and wtv u guys are saying even means im just here to nstal larch and learn moe tommorow

[brave portal]

bro ..

[pine minnow]

this except for the root partition here part

[brave portal]

idk what the root partion is

[pine minnow]

lsblk its partition 2

itll be something line nvme0n1p2

[brave portal]

i can see what he typed

but i genuinely dont understand still

[pine minnow]

you see the 4 lines in the clode block? you type them into the file

[brave portal]

exactly everything ?

[pine minnow]

but replace [partition name here] with the partition name

[obtuse laurel]

Based off this your root partition is /dev/nvme0n1p2

[brave portal]

so i type this

btw i cant fucking do the = thing cause the whole reason this started was cause i need to change keyboard layout cause im using SE keyboard layout not US

this is fucking pissing me off

then it changed to wifi

and now fixing my system so it works properly

but my layout hasnt changed and i can do the "=" cmd now cause of some weird reason

[obtuse laurel]

If you exit out of nano you should be able to use loadkeys to set your keymap

I need to go so I can't help any further right now

[brave portal]

how do i exit nano

all i nee to know

@bright shoal are you still here?

[bright shoal]

Yeah

[brave portal]

bro please

[bright shoal]

Got pinged

[brave portal]

im on my fucking knees begging

can you help stick with me the last part

i really just wanna get this bullshit done with

[bright shoal]

Ctrl X then Y then Enter

[brave portal]

loadkeys no made it work

is this all i need to type in the file

[brave portal]

^^

[bright shoal]

What are we doing here

[brave portal]

bro scroll up

i dont even know myself

he was talkin about some making a file of something

and that i had to type something

[bright shoal]

Looks confusing

[bright shoal]

Ima guess yes

[brave portal]

i just want this to be over with

[brave portal]

alr do i just click enter?

i cant even click enter it just goes down one layer

[bright shoal]

Ctrl X
then press Y
then Enter

[brave portal]

how do i save this

alright now what

are we even on the same page

idek atp

[bright shoal]

Idk

[brave portal]

what commands did you tell me to do

i remember i installed something and it was successful

what more do i gotta do until we can give it a try again, the past hour nothing has happened i feel

[brave portal]

lmk if you remember

[wind wadi]

no

[obtuse laurel]

You need /dev/nvme0n1p2 after the root=

If you're unable to type / then we should figure that out

[brave portal]

no i fixed the keyboard layout and it works with every command now

i just need you to tell me the exact commands i should type and i can send a picture of what it says

[obtuse laurel]

The only command you need to edit the entry is nano /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf

[brave portal]

yeah but what do i type inside that

@obtuse laurel i don’t under stand what i need to do like i type that command and then what

[brave portal]

@bright shoal are you down to help in a bit?

[brave portal]

btw it says directory /boot/loader/entries does not exist when i type this

[obtuse laurel]

Make sure your boot partition is mounted, you can run mount -a to mount everything

[obtuse laurel]

Edit the file that comes up, go down to the options line, and add /dev/nvme0n1p2 after root= so it says root=/dev/nvme0n1p2

[brave portal]

im just reinstalling arch from a video

[obtuse laurel]

okay

[brave portal]

which one should i use gnome, hyprland

like which ones are the best

[obtuse laurel]

both are good, it depends on preference

hyprland is a tiling window manager (windows aren't floating like windows) and gnome uses floating windows as well as workspaces

[brave portal]

i mean i want it to look like this let me show you

something like this looks kinda nice

can you do thta with gnome or only hprland?

[obtuse laurel]

that seems to be using openbox which is a floating window manager

with some customizations

but if want floating windows Hyprland probably isn't the right choice

[brave portal]

alright which one do you recommend me to choose

im new to linux

[obtuse laurel]

If GNOME and Hyprland are the only options it'd be easier to get something like that with GNOME

[brave portal]

cause i did the archinstall command after successfully connecting to the wifi and i can choose which VERSION I WANT

[obtuse laurel]

oh archinstall

[brave portal]

MB FOR CAPS

what do you even call yprland or gnome

[brave portal]

yeah thats how i installed arch hyprland before aswell is that the bad way to do it?

maybe thats why i had some bugs

[obtuse laurel]

archinstall is normally fine, I'm not sure what happened last time

GNOME is a desktop environment which includes multiple parts of a desktop, well Hyprland is a window manager (and a few other things) which is one part

Using a window manager normally requires you to install a lot of what you would expect yourself or use someone else's configuration, so it's not the best for beginners

[brave portal]

yeah but what do you call those do you call them a different versio of arch or is there a word for which one

like DE or something?

idk ho to explain

[obtuse laurel]

Just different DEs basically

[brave portal]

alright so what DE do you recoommend

[obtuse laurel]

It's all still just Arch, but just set up in a different way

I use KDE Plasma which is a more Windows like desktop experience, if you want something like that it's a good choice

[brave portal]

btw what boot loader should i choose Grub or systemd boot

maybe its easier for u to help me if i choose the one u have

[obtuse laurel]

GNOME can be good if you want a bit of a different experience but it isn't as easily customizable

[obtuse laurel]

If you're not dual booting systemd-boot is probably best

[brave portal]

i dont want my arch to look like windows or linux mint

i have it to look clean

can gnome look like this?

[obtuse laurel]

Yeah that's GNOME in the photo

with customizations

[brave portal]

yeah its my second pc im installing on and i already wiped windows so systemd is the best?

should i swap to zram?

if you want i can send pictures on my phone onto here so you can tell me what the best settings for arch install is

cause the tut im watching is 2 years old

[obtuse laurel]

Yeah that's a good option

It's basically compressed swap in RAM

And swap is basically backup RAM

[brave portal]

when i make my profile should i be a super user (sudo)

cause i dont wanna type in a code everytime i make a command its kinda annoying

[obtuse laurel]

Yes you want to be a superuser

[brave portal]

which is best here

[obtuse laurel]

Use Network Manager

It integerates well with GNOME

[brave portal]

default or iwd

[obtuse laurel]

default is fine

[obtuse laurel]

pipewire is recommended

[brave portal]

gnome is recommended correct?

i can choose multiple desktop enviroments btw

is it better for me to only use gnome now and later on i can install other DE's later?

[obtuse laurel]

yeah I would only install one for now

[brave portal]

i’m trying to go into settings and nothing is happening

its just loading then it stops

same with any other app i use

@obtuse laurel do yk why?

[obtuse laurel]

Are you able to open console?

[brave portal]

nope

same thing

[obtuse laurel]

Strange, if you haven't tried rebooting yet do that

[brave portal]

i rebooted to see if it was a glitch but nah same thing

i wish i could just screenshare so u could tell me exactly what to do but i literally cant cause i would need discord on the second pc

[brave portal]

im on arch live boot now, think im gonna do it manually

[obtuse laurel]

You can try that, although something else could have been the issue with GNOME besides the installation

I'm not sure what though

[brave portal]

why is my system cursed

im gonna install kde plasma intead

@obtuse laurel

is this normal my device has 476 gb size but it says free space 2?

[obtuse laurel]

It's probably just talking about unpartitioned space

[brave portal]

yeah

BTRFS or EXT4 file system?

[obtuse laurel]

Both are good, but BTRFS has more features

[brave portal]

@obtuse laurel should i chroot into installation for post-installation or reboot system

[obtuse laurel]

you can just reboot

[brave portal]

this konsole looks so bad

gotta make it better

@pine minnow i installed KDE Plasma instead and it works so far

im just stumbling across errors when trying to install global themes

[pine minnow]

wdym by global themes?

iirc theres limited theme support in modern versions of qt

im not the best person to ask for this soz

no experience

[brave portal]

its fine

my arch is working now

[bright shoal]

Huh so we ended up reinstalling anyways

Nvm