[SOLVED] Recent yay -Syu bricked my entire GUI, possible culprit being kweather??

[eager monolith]

I don't think you're supposed to use sudo with yay

[runic bison]

makepkg would fail

[soft grove]

nah yay just stops you itself i think

[runic bison]

no

makepkg will fail

[soft grove]

nvm you right

[runic bison]

you're not supposed to use x11 , but wayland.
don't use sudo with yay, don't use yay as replacement of pacman
do not use chatgpt

whats with the shot? that's just plasma corners that trigger actions

[sharp zodiac]

im gonna have to disagree with the replacement part, its perfectly fine to install and upgrade packages from repositories

doesnt it also give a warning not to use sudo? :/

[runic bison]

?

don't run aur helpers with escalation programs and / or as root

makepkg will just fail though

since it stops you from doing that

[sharp zodiac]

mhm

[soft grove]

why is running makepkg as root so devastating

[sharp zodiac]

OP's gonna have to check the logs to find out what broke, dmesg will probably have some more information

[sharp zodiac]

think it has to do with file ownership

[soft grove]

probably

[runic bison]

nope

[soft grove]

aw man

[sharp zodiac]

please elaborate

[runic bison]

what is a pkgbuild, and what is inside of it

commands?

[sharp zodiac]

yeah suppose you could call it that

[runic bison]

you can finish the rest

anyways this is offtopic take it somewheyre else

[kindred dagger]

if you dont mind, could you show us said errors along with providing detail about what the chatbots suggested? the error might provide more insight while what the chatbot said is more of a confirmation of which commands have been run that we may have to look out for (depending on what it said). as others here have stated, running yay as sudo, shouldnt do much due to makepkg purposefully failing whenever it detects it. i would also like the output of journalctl -b | curl -F "file=@-" 0x0.st to get a log of wether anything is failing during boot

[atomic bronze]

@shell cedar 🆘

[atomic bronze]

that's just the only thing that still works from the GUI right now

[atomic bronze]

Recent yay -Syu bricked my entire GUI, possible culprit being kweather??

kwin_x11[918]: kde.plasma.activitiesstats: Plasma Activities ERROR: There is no database. This probably means that you do not have the Activity Manager running, or that something else is broken on your system. Recent documents and alike will not work!

plasma_waitforname[7064]: org.kde.plasma.waitforname: WaitForName: Service was not registered within timeout

dbus-broker-launch[710]: Service file '/usr/share//dbus-1/services/org.kde.dolphin.FileManager1.service' is not named after the D-Bus name 'org.freedesktop.FileManager1'.

dbus-broker-launch[710]: Service file '/usr/share//dbus-1/services/org.kde.kscreen.service' is not named after the D-Bus name 'org.kde.KScreen'.

dbus-broker-launch[710]: Service file '/usr/share//dbus-1/services/org.kde.plasma.Notifications.service' is not named after the D-Bus name 'org.freedesktop.Notifications

plasmashell[8058]: KPackageStructure of KPluginMetaData(pluginId:"org.kde.plasma.kweather_1x4", fileName: "/usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kweather_1x4/metadata.json") does not match requested format "Plasma/Applet"

plasmashell[4900]: KPackageStructure of KPluginMetaData(pluginId:"org.kde.graphsplasmoid", fileName: "/usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.graphsplasmoid/metadata.json") does not match requested format "Plasma/Applet"

plasmashell[4900]: KPackageStructure of KPluginMetaData(pluginId:"org.kde.plasma.kweather_1x4", fileName: "/usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kweather_1x4/metadata.json") does not match requested format "Plasma/Applet"

kquitapp5 plasmashell
plasmashell --no-respawn --replace
KPackageStructure of KPluginMetaData(pluginId:"org.kde.graphsplasmoid", fileName: "/usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.graphsplasmoid/metadata.json") does not match requested format "Plasma/Applet"
KPackageStructure of KPluginMetaData(pluginId:"org.kde.plasma.kweather_1x4", fileName: "/usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kweather_1x4/metadata.json") does not match requested format "Plasma/Applet"
kf.coreaddons: The plugin "/usr/lib/qt6/plugins/plasma/applets/plasma_applet_kweather_1x4.so" explicitly states an Id in the embedded metadata, which is different from the one derived from the filename The Id field from the KPlugin object in the metadata should be removed
kf.plasma.quick: Applet preload policy set to 1
KCrash: Application 'plasmashell' crashing... crashRecursionCounter = 2
Segmentation fault (core dumped) plasmashell --no-respawn --replace

[kindred dagger]

i assume this is the beginning of the chatbots messages?

[atomic bronze]

Yes

[atomic bronze]

I did not take all the chatbot recommend actions, just kind of picked and choosed between ones that seemed to make more sense and didn't look too risky

[kindred dagger]

did you try uninstalling kweather as it suggested? the segfault in plasmashell doesnt sound too unreasonable

[atomic bronze]

I ended up also searching stuff like "how to cleanbuild kweather in KDE Plasma on Arch linux" and "how to start over fresh with kde-utilities-meta in arch linux"

[atomic bronze]

yes, but let me run that again so I can show you the error message it's giving me, BRB

checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: removing kweather breaks dependency 'kweather' required by kde-utilities-meta

[kindred dagger]

the solution to that would likely be to reinstall plasma-workspace and plasma-meta. it should ask if you want to reinstall them, and then you hit yes. if it solves the full problem? no clue. but i dont think it would hurt

hold on. let me check it out

[atomic bronze]

I tried reinstalling plasma-meta last night, but let me try plasma-workspace real quick, BRB

still no luck with removing kweather

maybe reboot and see if anything's changed after reinstalling plasma-workspace (?)

[kindred dagger]

ah. you installed the package-group. it should be safe to uninstall the group itself as long as you can access a tty in the meantime to reinstall some of the applications again. the group contains the applications in the dependencies section: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/kde-utilities-meta/

[atomic bronze]

my F2 tty is bricked from another issue, but F3 and F4 are fine, currently on F3

[kindred dagger]

problem is that since kde-utilities-meta is a bundle of packages, (hence all packages are dependencies), then you need to remove the group to actually uninstall the unwanted programs. luckily you can just pick which of them to install. want konsole? just sudo pacman -S konsole. do that for any of the ones listed under dependencies that you want after youve uninstalled the group

[kindred dagger]

oh wait

[atomic bronze]

before I dive into this, should I do the same for other groups? On my initial install I wasn't having any luck getting KDE fired up, so I was trying everything I could think of (first-timer here), and installing both plasma-meta and meta, as well as both kde-applications-meta and kde-applications groups is seemingly what led to me KDE actually igniting in the very beginning

[kindred dagger]

im being silly- just realized that kde-utilities-meta is a dependency for kde-applications-meta

[atomic bronze]

I know you are supposed to only choose one, but nothing else was working and for whatever reason, trying both did the trick

[kindred dagger]

not that this matters much as its only for applications which wont affect the rest of the system

[atomic bronze]

Is there a particular order I should go about uninstalling and cherry picking the contents of these? I've installed all of them

[kindred dagger]

pacman is amazing at keeping track of install reasons. (e.g if you explicitly said "i want this application" through sudo pacman -S <application> as compared to dependencies of said application. that means that if you use sudo pacman -Rns <application>, it removes the application, the dependencies it had that the system otherwise doesnt use along with any configs), hence you should be fine to remove kde-applications-meta and installing the applications you want. though depending on how much you use, it might feel tedious. i suggest starting with konsole. in case you actually manage to get into plasma for once

[kindred dagger]

remove the kde-applications-meta, install konsole, reboot and see where that gets you first

[atomic bronze]

on it

was already getting a bunch of these before on boot

but now

also getting a ton of these as well

[atomic bronze]

could it be from having both kde-applications-meta and kde-applications installed? maybe I should -Rns both groups? I also forgot to do the -Rns from a tty and did it from Konsole so maybe that turned things funky?

[kindred dagger]

shouldve been fine, though i do recommend removing both, yes

[atomic bronze]

Will try again from a tty

[atomic bronze]

that's what I remember reading on the Arch guide during my initial install as well, but at some point in time (can't remember exactly when) my terminal started requiring me to run yay as sudo (?)

[eager monolith]

I think that's passing off to pacman

Use pacman -Syu instead

[atomic bronze]

same error message when running from tty

[eager monolith]

Just use yay to install packages

[atomic bronze]

oh, okay! after using yay to install them, pacman should keep them up to date? I have been using yay -Syu quite often because I was under the false impression that only yay would update AUR programs, and that pacman would only update official Arch stuff

[eager monolith]

Nvm you update with yay

[atomic bronze]

can anyone recommend a wiki page for learning more about yay?

[eager monolith]

.aw AUR helpers

[mint socket]

AUR helpers

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_helpers

[eager monolith]

You can pass --aur flag to only update AUR packages

[atomic bronze]

good one, thanks!

[wintry patrol]

_ak1ra received a thank you cookie!

[atomic bronze]

anybody got any advice about this message?

sudo pacman -Rns kde-applications
checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: removing signon-kwallet-extension breaks dependency 'signon-kwallet-extension' required by kaccounts-integration
:: removing kio-extras breaks dependency 'kio-extras' required by plasma-workspace

maybe remove plasma-workspace and also kaccounts-integration (?), then try again (?)

[kindred dagger]

hm.. im uncertain how to proceed,,

can you give me the output of pacman -Qs plasma? i wish to see the plasma groups that are installed

[runic bison]

Remove them all

[atomic bronze]

Will do!

[atomic bronze]

okay, I seem to have bricked my system even further. I uninstalled everything I could then only reinstalled the essentials, but now Xorg doesn't work at all, and only wayland will launch. launching into wayland, the resolution is weird and pixely. once I'm in plasma, it's still just a black screen with only the blue corner in the top left that gets me to the program/file search bar. with that I can launch discord and firefox but everything looks much worse than before. font size is super tiny and text looks like it's being rendered on a cheap TV instead of a proper monitor. I'm not partial to Xorg or Wayland as long as I can get one functioning properly. I even uninstalled and reinstalled sddm, but that didn't seem to help anything as my tty2 is still inaccessible. FYR I did plasma-desktop --> kde-applications-meta to avoid all the headaches those group dependencies were causing. I think there are still a bunch of dependencies knotted together deep down in the guts of the system; I only uninstalled and uninstalled until I got rid of the major groups and could get back to having no plasma or kde applications as a base. that's when I reinstalled sddm and did the plasma-desktop --> kde-applications-meta part. when startx didn't work, I tried installing plasma-x11-session too, but that didn't help. I'm looking at the wiki now and it seems to really get plasmax11 working, i'll need to append some stuff to the .xinitrc file, but I'm a bit hesitant to do that on my own @shell cedar SOS

tty3

[atomic bronze]

Reinstalled xorg-server but still no luck

After a reboot discord and Firefox no longer work, but steam still does

[eager monolith]

Need logs/errors to diagnose

Run it in terminal

[atomic bronze]

[solved] Recent yay -Syu bricked my entire GUI, possible culprit being kweather??

[SOLVED] Recent yay -Syu bricked my entire GUI, possible culprit being kweather??

Thank y'all for all the help. was able to fix it. the most recent issue was because I installed plasma-desktop instead of plasma-meta. installing plasma-meta fixed that. the black screen on startx was because of an issue with the nvidia driver and that's now resolved.

[kindred dagger]

nicely done