Ban all links to X/Twitter.

[noble vigil]

u did say "i have literally not seen you in controversial" regardless tho

[trim crest]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

xkcd: Free Speech

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

[north thorn]

yea sometimes little blades of grass grow up between the cracks

[modest perch]

a) its not censorship, b) you - yet again - fail to understand that "freedom of speech" does not apply to something not run by the government lol

[north thorn]

dont care, anyway elon musk is a nazi

[serene nacelle]

Gotta get my magnifying glass out

[noble vigil]

why do people here love posting silly soundbites about freespeech 😭

it isn't useful in my opinion

[north thorn]

because you don't know what free speech is

[noble vigil]

how did you come to that conclusion?

[kindred hill]

oh man the six hour slowdown is over

[trim crest]

Yall sound like the type to pirate software all year long, but when you make something and sell it and it gets pirated, you cry about muh copyright

[errant sable]

I find it sad to see people so eager to cut off a source of information, as though literally everything on the platform is approved or created by its owner. All based on a personal dislike of said owner.

[kindred hill]

this thread will be a shitshow again soon

[storm willow]

quick turn it back on!

[trim crest]

"source of information"

TWITTER ???

[north thorn]

uuuuggggGGGHHHHHH AAAAAAA I HATE THOR PIRATESOFTWARE SO MUCH

[kindred hill]

i will not

[full solstice]

But that might eliminate you as well, we don't want that 🙂

[kindred hill]

we ride

[storm willow]

[errant sable]

Yes, that's what we're discussing here. Glad you caught on.

[trim crest]

twitter is a source of information, now thats unheard of

again, maybe some people install arch by following a twitter thread, idk

to each their own

[north thorn]

that's wild if they do but aight

[errant sable]

Oh, again, I must have misunderstood. I was not aware that "How to install Arch" was the only information possible.

[full solstice]

Most people don't install Arch at all. We're all very special people 😬

[north thorn]

anyway this isn't a support server, it's a community that offers support

[trim crest]

you are a little comedian arent you ?

a little jokester even

[storm willow]

the only way i can see twitter being a source of information is it being a source of news, and even then half the people that are sharing it on twitter probably also share it on Tumblr, Bluesky, Mastodon instances, etc., either in tandem with twitter or solely on those other platforms

[north thorn]

wow i feel appropriated

[errant sable]

I'm terribly sorry that I don't engage with your strawmen. Maybe someone else is more interested.

[north thorn]

[trim crest]

Im sorry that i offended you Ms Clown

[north thorn]

just kidding

[serene nacelle]

Twitter is as bad as tiktok is, I hate it but tbh, I'm not in support of fully banning it. The owner is an unpleasant person to put it mildly but nothing that would get posted here would be connected in any way to the shit he says, I don't see the point in banning twitter links

[cold pollen]

this guy just strawmanned someone else btw

[stone egret]

Hey that's also what my mum always tells me 🥰

[serene nacelle]

The fuck is a strawman I'm confused

[north thorn]

noooo ur strawmanning me

pile of strawman corpses they created that no one engaged with

[ebon flare]

My grand parents while Norway was occupied by the Nazis had an experience. They was biking on the country side and had bought some vegetables and such. Then suddenly a car with germans started to follow them. Eventually my grandparents managed to hide behind a barn.
Then they was cought. The Germans told them that they wanted to inform that their rhubarb had fallen of their bike.
That was all.
What does this tell?

First of all, not all representing the nazis was nazis.
I don't know if those Germans was nazis or not.

Things aren't black or white.

@trim crest That is true. Islam isn't reformed as we did with Christianity. We had the religious wars 30 year war and so on with Chatollic and Protestant fractions in Europe.
After the peace in Westphalia we started to evolve Freedom of religion to stop killing each others.

In Europe, mostly western Europe after WWII we learned a lot of the negative sides of nazism and facism.
In eastern Europe during communist rule they didn't learned a lot of it, as it could make people see the similarites with Stalinism.

Also the middle east haven't dealt with their nazi support either, and to this date, mostly muslims hate jews.

The Grand Mufti of Jeruslam Haj Amin el Husseini met with Hitler in 1941 disccussing how they could colaborate in killing the jews:

"Al-Husseini began the conversation by declaring that the Germans and the Arabs had the same enemies: “the English, the Jews, and the Communists.”

https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/

[trail rampart]

Probably will not be a full ban, like others said probably screencaps will be fine, but direct links not

[sonic night]

pls stop strawmanning each other

[kindred hill]

you know they won't

[north thorn]

wow sorry that happened to you or congratulations idk im not reading all that

[storm willow]

Can we ban 4chan too while we're at it

[kindred hill]

denied

[trim crest]

isnt it already banned ?

[cold pollen]

Misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack

"I like the Socialist Party"
"Why do you like Stalin so much?"

[serene nacelle]

Yea, even then I don't see the point, looking at the vote right now it's like 2k max people willing to ban it, and in the grand scheme of twitter stupidity that's not even enough to send a message

[north thorn]

yeah you're attacting a figment that they didn't say

[storm willow]

basically, it's the waffles-pancake tweet

[serene nacelle]

Ah, makes sense

[trail rampart]

It's still the community showing that they do not want to associate with that kind of person and kind of makes sense since the people Elon hates are the ones that are supported here in this server.

[north thorn]

it's not about sending a message, but whatever message the bootlickers in this server think there is, is very loudly understood and they aren't happy about it

the point is we dont want to send traffic to, and support a website owned by a nazi, you're still allowed to post screenshots

[ebon flare]

Gualnd is not the leader of AfD between 2015 and 2019. That's 6 years ago

[errant sable]

"bootlickers" 😂

[north thorn]

yea i used that term correcly, cry about it

[serene nacelle]

Ah, understandable

[cold pollen]

Steelmanning is a similar thing where you give maximum charity to an argument in order to undermine it

[modest perch]

there is a point, its about sending a message and making it clear that fascists and their propaganda/misinformation platforms are not welcome, its about spreading awareness to people who don't already know it - change only happens when communities (like this one and hundreds/thousands of the other small ones) each start doing their part and making it not viable anymore to use the platform so people start using better alternatives

[errant sable]

Did you now? And does that make me a bootlicker?

[serene nacelle]

Honestly I really have nothing to contribute to this in that case, I'll just continue packagemaxxing my system and making each update more dangerous and risky

[north thorn]

if you think i was talking about you, then yeah i was probably talking about you

[storm willow]

im sick and tired of this chat, can we ban everyone, start fresh?

[north thorn]

says more about you than it does me tbh

[errant sable]

I mean, I'm defending people's ability to link to Twitter posts as desired. You tell me.

[serene nacelle]

Don't ban me tho, I'm nice

[full solstice]

There are lots of people who use Twitter who are not even aware of who owns it or anything about it. They just want to spread information or art and don't care who owns it nor do they follow their views

[north thorn]

screenshots aren't banned, but if you think you're a bootlicker that im referring to, then idk man do some soul searching and reevaluate things

[errant sable]

The issue is links though, don't try and dodge the question, please.

[north thorn]

the question is invalid

[modest perch]

thank you for making my point for me that doing it to spread awareness is the whole point of doing it to reach those people

[silent moon]

shadowdragon9 received a thank you cookie!

[north thorn]

i refuse to engage with it

[errant sable]

You are accusing people of something, and I want to know if I'm included in that group due to what I'm saying. It's not terribly complicated.

[north thorn]

that's up to you

[errant sable]

How can your accusations be up to me? You are the one making them.

[stone egret]

It's quite superfluous. The poll is in favour of a ban and there has not been a good argument against it here.

[serene nacelle]

I do think a large portion of the population simply don't care, and only use platforms for what's on them (that they engage with) instead of who the owners are, or what other content is there that is considered bad. But I guess that could just be the side of the internet I'm on

[north thorn]

was i making them about you or making a general statement? if you think you fall into that camp, that's your resonsibility not mine

[full solstice]

Yeah but they don't care nor will they start caring either way. As long as the platform is viable for them to use, they'll use it regardless of who owns it. There is not really a need to limit access to information, people can make their own judgement on what they think is best for them to engage with

[errant sable]

My interpretation is that you are not willing to stand by your own word.

[north thorn]

i am standing by my word, it's up to you to decide if you're a bootlicker or not

[errant sable]

"Are you accusing me?" "I'm not going to say!" -- okay.

[modest perch]

you are right, most of the population doesn't care for whatever reasons, and they might start caring once they have been educated about the platform or they might just continue to not care, but the point is to make it uncomfortable and annoying to use the platform so even if those people "don't get it" they will eventually use another platform - for the "wrong" reasons but it still worked

it's like when you put taxes on dangerous goods like idfk cigarettes or something, eventually it gets so expensive people start smoking less - they might not care about the health aspects and quit "for the wrong reasons" (it being expensive) but it still helps

[full solstice]

Then it should be more productive to make other platforms better to create a network effect, instead of making life more inconvenient for people who are not engaged with anything about it

[full solstice]

Not if they're addicted. They just cut on other expenses, smoking comes first

[solid marten]

@errant sable can I ask who you voted for in the last general election?

[full solstice]

You're also not really affecting whoever owns the platform by not showing links and all, specially when they have a paid model and ads. Elon Musk has huge pockets so, it won't cause a dent

[errant sable]

I don't mean to be facetious, but which one specifically? The US?

[solid marten]

I thought you were Swedish?

or do you have dual nationality?

[errant sable]

Yes, that's why I was asking. I voted for the Pirate Party.

[modest perch]

you're missing the point, big change starts slow, communities like this one and the hundreds others are leading the charge and it will eventually snowball and will have noticeable effects

[serene nacelle]

I have seen the argument made here that it's not about affecting him but more of getting small communities to slowly start refusing it until the number grows so high it can't be ignored. I don't see that realistically happening because of how small the communities are

[modest perch]

that mindset is the same as "oh why bother voting my vote is not gonna change anything" or "why go out on the streets to protest i'm just one person who cares"

[errant sable]

And no, no dual nationality. 🙂

[full solstice]

I just don't think it has the effect you think it might in the near or medium future. Like I said, just make other platforms better and people organically start joining them.
P.S.: I really like your profile pic or gif, very cute 👍

[lethal gorge]

When I think of Arch Linux and the community around it, I think it is the antithesis of Twitter/X and the kind of crowd Musk is trying to curate. A ban on posting links to it is tiny, it won’t change much, but statements absolutely matter.

[modest perch]

better platforms exist lol

[chilly sigil]

honestly you're too optimistic

[solid marten]

they did fairly well all things considered from what I'm reading, third biggest party out of the ones who didn't get any seats right?

[modest perch]

it is not about optimism or pessimism, it is just what it is - things like these are the few little democratic tools we as a society have to defend and resist fascists

[serene nacelle]

They do, but when people have been using one platform for so long, it just becomes the norm and everything else gets ignored, out the communities eventually die out

[lethal gorge]

Debian recently decided to leave the platform for instance. Will that change anything? Probably not. But it’s rowing the boat in the right direction, and that’s what matters.

[full solstice]

No doubt, just better marketing then. I don't have an account in most of them, including Twitter

[cold pollen]

the suffragist movement started as a couple middle class women who wanted the right to vote
trade unions started as small collective of workers agreeing to collaborate

[north thorn]

wouldn't that be amazing if socialism took root in america due to a simple banning of twitter on linux forums

[errant sable]

I don't actually know. But I still support them. 😅

[solid marten]

if you were to vote for any of the major parties, can I ask, which one you think you'd vote for?

[serene nacelle]

Well, what I'm still confused about is how the statements matter if it doesn't reach anyone. Say everyone here leaves twitter, the reaction will be as follows "oh look at what these clowns are doing, anyways" and it'll become forgotten

[north thorn]

it's a lot more than just the arch discord

[full solstice]

Hmm no... why are you preaching for socialism in the first place? Or anything for that matter, this should be beyond political views, just access to all information

[north thorn]

every website that isn't twitter or explicitely alt right is debating this right now

[chilly sigil]

that was like hundred years ago
internet changed a lot, people simply don't take internet as seriously

[north thorn]

nah it's about elon being a fuckin nazi

[chilly sigil]

well will be intresting to see if it changes anything ig

[full solstice]

here you go with the nazi nazi thing, it's exhausting. If you call everyone a nazi it just dilutes the insult you're trying to hand out

[errant sable]

I'd have to look into the specifics. All I know is that on those political compass things, I'm always almost right in the center. How that maps to Swedish politics, and what particular key issues they push, I do not know.

[north thorn]

oh im sorry, i didn't know doing a fucking nazi salute didn't constitue as nazism 💀

[modest perch]

its not even just the salute there are a million other things this guy did prior to that lol

[full solstice]

how can a free market corporate be a nazi at the same time? Those 2 things are incompatible because Nazism implies total government control

[north thorn]

yeah but that's the most obvious undeniable one

[north thorn]

man what are you even talking about lmao

[solid marten]

this suprises me, because you cited your being a Swede and as a credential being a history teacher earlier, are you really better read up on American politics than you are on Swedish politics?

[full solstice]

maybe he doesn't realize that either or is being his usual dumb self

[errant sable]

Agreed. It's trivialized to the point of uselessness at this point. Legitimately, invoking that word should be beyond the pale, but it's just thrown out at every little issue. "That pigeon shat on me. Nazi!"

[north thorn]

BLUH YOU CAN'T BE A CAPITALIST AND BE A NAZI AT THE SAME TIME YOU CAN ONLY BE ONE THING

[cold pollen]

❌

Privatisation is literally a term coined because of Nazi policy

[modest perch]

and what is musk currently doing after he handed the presidency to trump? sounds like fascists cleaning house to me

[solid marten]

Pigeons don't tend to do NAZI salutes

[full solstice]

as in the basic definition of what Nazism means. You throw that around so much and you don't even understand what it means

[north thorn]

using the "elon is autistic/stupid" argument doesn't help when the man is literally throwing up nazi salutes

[errant sable]

I probably get more exposed to American political content, but I don't particularly engage with it. Compared to "my sensibilities" all of that is some variation of right wing stuff.

[north thorn]

ok, sympathizer

[full solstice]

what he's doing on Twitter? I don't know, I do not use it, that was not my argument

[ebon flare]

That's their tactics. Censorship of information that goes against their socialist revolution, only approving information that agrees with it.
The same tactic we see in right wing ideology too.

It's the horse shoe theory

[north thorn]

[full solstice]

I assume you meant that as an insult. Perhaps there should be a ban on underage people who have not passed their exams yet

[north thorn]

fish hook theory

see i can do it too

[serene nacelle]

Everyone here needs to take a chill pill and listen to Urfaust for real

[modest perch]

other than manipulating the platform and the algorithms to push propaganda and misinformation. particularly in the time leading up to the us election, to sway undecided voters towards trump?

[full solstice]

I already said I do not like Elong Musk or use Twitter but no one is making that argument. Only to not restrict information

[north thorn]

you can still post screenshots man, it's not that complicated

[modest perch]

nobody is restricting information

[solid marten]

Okay, well, on another note, you know that Elon is supporting extremely far right people accross Europe, including Stephen Yaxley Lennon, and spread lies about Keir Starmer claiming he was part of a pedophile ring cover up.
Stephen Yaxley Lennon is known for founding the "English Defence League", who went around the country picketing mosques, and were frequently involved in harrassment and assault cases, including vexaious lies about individual asylum seekers, including school children.

[modest perch]

bro the mental gymnastics people go through to defend these fascists is fucking insane humanity truly is fucking doomed and undeserving of democracy, it just simply does not work with the majority of people is uneducated and misinformed lmao

[ebon flare]

You are right. What they do is conceptual expansion, making words don't mean the same thing anymore. That's a dangerous approach:)

[full solstice]

No one here is defending them

[north thorn]

cool, don't care

lesson of the day: a bunch of people in the arch linux community don't think doing a nazi salute makes you a nazi

[errant sable]

I've stated before that I think Elon is a man-child.

[full solstice]

you seem to keep saying that people are defending Elon because you can't seem to garner a reasonable argument as to why one would ban information, regardless of where it comes from

[velvet fern]

I do not think Elon being affiliated with the platform has anything to do with if it should be banned or not. This achieves nothing.

[lethal gorge]

Unfortunately he's not just "affiliated". The platform exists now as a tool to amplify his views.

[velvet fern]

It's a platform that is still used by many artists, creators and just people in general

Banning it outright isn't a great idea

[solid marten]

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/25/musk-german-afd-rally-weidel-00200620

https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-fund-uk-far-right-ringleader-tommy-robinson-legal-fight/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/elon-musk-keir-starmer-grooming-gangs-b2675713.html

Stephen Yaxley Lennon (also known as "Tommy Robinson") nearly made cases against grooming gangs collapse from his attempt at interferring with cases against people involved.

[errant sable]

I mean... banning ALL social media would be ideal... 😉

[north thorn]

you seem intellectually incapable of engaging with the fact that information isn't being banned, links are being banned. you can still screenshot and share information

[solid marten]

yes but he is consistently helping the most far right extremist people imagineable, which, aligns with behaviour such as unironically doing NAZI salutes

[north thorn]

what you just did is called a strawman, add another to the pile

[velvet fern]

Who cares about political views?

It's a social media platform. There is no reason anyone should be enforcing any political views on anyone. If a person is being an asshole on the server, ban the person. I don't see why you should ban a platform over it.

[solid marten]

or are we to say that every time Elon does something far right "he isn't actually far right", every time he aligns with facism, "it might be ironic though"?

[errant sable]

Ah yes, screenshots. The ideal way to share textual information. It goes particularly well with screen readers. 🙏🏿

[north thorn]

no one cares

[north thorn]

they're obtuse on purpose, the point is to be intellectually dishonest

[serene nacelle]

Well, that does not affect the people that use the platform, it only affects/is of interest to the people that share those views

[velvet fern]

Even though I don't agree with Elon's world view and various stuff like that, I do not support banning a platform over it

[errant sable]

That's an awful stance, but you do you. I'm against discrimination against sight impaired people myself.

[north thorn]

cool strawman, are you sure you don't want me to make a ticket about your namesake

[velvet fern]

That's a shitty thing to say. I know multiple visually impaired people, that's not cool.

Screen readers are probably some of the most helpful tools for this

[north thorn]

it has nothing to do with anything, that's not an ableist thing to say when my entire argument is "twitter is owned by a nazi, people don't want to give it traffic"

[solid marten]

@errant sable in case you missed it?

[errant sable]

I'm not defending him, so what he is or does really doesn't play a part in whether or not information on Twitter should be possible to share. Punishing the users because the owner is an ass makes no sense.

[solid marten]

You are definitely defending him, because you're claiming his action (a NAZI salute) does not mean he is a NAZI.

[modest perch]

change is never comfortable and it's not supposed to be, that's just an unavoidable downside - the only way people get off the platform is if it gets annoying and uncomfortable to use

[north thorn]

they're called cryptofascists btw if you didn't know the term

[modest perch]

a small price to pay to not continue to enable fascists and their platforms anymore

[solid marten]

If you said to me Mitchell and Webb from the clip before are NAZI's for wearing SS officer outfits, I would defend them, because they aren't NAZI's, that was a comedy skit, in this case you're defending Elon in the same way, but, few people here can acertain why

[errant sable]

Which is entirely possible.

[solid marten]

technically possible =/= likely

[errant sable]

True.

[solid marten]

so you think Elon is "probably" a NAZI then?

[modest perch]

he is most definitely a fascist, what flavor of fascism it is is mostly irrelevant tbh, although it's pretty obvious he'S a nazi based on everything he has done and said

[errant sable]

He might be a larper. I don't know. I'll concede a "possibly", for sure.

[barren cove]

how is this convo still going 😭

[north thorn]

a larper cosplaying as a nazi is a fucking nazi, you don't do that shit ironically

[solid marten]

did you know about all the far right things I've pointed out that he's doing before you joined this thread?

[errant sable]

Haha, you'd be surprised.

[solid marten]

to be clear, the afd that Elon is supporting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany

[north thorn]

man im trying to be cordial, the more you say shit like that

[kindred hill]

this thread is absolutely trash again

[errant sable]

Nope. I knew about how the man fucks up the night sky with his swarms of satellites, how he fucked over the original Tesla guy, etc etc. The man rubs me the wrong way, for sure.

[kindred hill]

fasinating

who turned on slowdown

[solid marten]

Most Swedes don't like Elon

[north thorn]

yeah kontroll is a cryptofash that keeps skirting around the fact that elon has done nazi salutes and keeps saying he's stupid/larping

[solid marten]

me!!

[lethal gorge]

Forget about Musk for a second and focus on the changes that have happened at Twitter. It is, categorically, no longer safe for many users. The entire site is being weaponised and turned into a platform where hate is welcome.

https://archive.is/HR7Ol

[errant sable]

Ah, but am I a bootlicker? Did you grow enough of a spine yet to tell me straight?

[barren cove]

i will genuinely not understand how this is still an ongoing discussion after yesterday's crashout

[velvet fern]

Jesus christ I don't understand you people

This is a social media platform. Even if Elon is in control of it, I don't see the reason for why it should be banned. Heck, if you don't know, even Google has various affiliations with Trump and other bs (on numerous occasions they've been pushing advertisements and shit for Trump's election). Should we ban Google because it's affiliated? Probably not, because it's a genuinely useful tool.

Banning X/Twitter will achieve next to nothing for the community or the server. Fix your moderation for terrible people on the server instead of putting up even more unnecessary censorship which serves no purpose.

[north thorn]

idk are you?

sure seem like one to me

[modest perch]

it is basically a state sponsored propaganda platform just like meta platforms at this point and it is only going to get worse

[solid marten]

This seems to be the slowmode enactor @kindred hill , do you want me to complain about them to Anna?

[barren cove]

sorry but you have a valid take, so people in this thread (as well as most of moderation) will completely ignore you

[north thorn]

you keep winking at me like you think it's coy, it's just mask off

[kindred hill]

nah i natively turned it off

no amount of slowdown will fix this thread

[lethal gorge]

It's a statement though. Statements matter.

[kindred hill]

this thread exists to beat reply records in #1006744879583461418

[north thorn]

lmao

masterful gambit, sir

[modest perch]

the thread is useless anyway, because you get people like @velvet fern coming in just saying stupid shit that's already been debated and debunked and explained to death and the cycle repeats

[serene nacelle]

This turned from a normal debate earlier into a fight lmao

[modest perch]

just delete the thread

[barren cove]

the statement in question

[modest perch]

or close it so you dont get people crying cEnSoRsHiP

[kindred hill]

that's not fun

[solid marten]

seems like a discord bug as that's the last recorded activity in the audit log lol

[lethal gorge]

People have forgotten about doing things because they are the right thing to do, not just because they will be "effective".

[solid marten]

oh wait that's from 3 mins ago

[barren cove]

just about what will the ban change if i may ask

[lethal gorge]

It's demonstrate that the community opposes that shit.

[barren cove]

nah

"hey can i dm you this X link" "sure"

[errant sable]

But I don't oppose it.

[north thorn]

again, for the millionth time: you'll still be allowed to post screenshots from twitter

[lethal gorge]

mask off.

[north thorn]

none of you seem to understand that or care

[errant sable]

Elaborate, please.

[modest perch]

ill unfollow this post, its literally the same shit in here all over again

[barren cove]

massively inconvenient

[north thorn]

cryptofash

[wide current]

guys the burger i had yesterday was tasty

[north thorn]

yea well

[serene nacelle]

In that case, what is the point of not allowing links?

[north thorn]

your convenience isn't a priority

[barren cove]

^

[errant sable]

I'm sure you think I'm hurt by this. But frankly I'm just bemused.

[serene nacelle]

I honestly thought you meant a nazi who trades in crypto 😭

[cold pollen]

to not give the nazi traffic

[barren cove]

isnt that supposed to be the priority in a community...?

[north thorn]

nah im not trying to hurt you, im telling it to everyone else in the audience

[north thorn]

yours specifically? no

[barren cove]

its as simple as not clicking the links

[ebon flare]

yeah just like Kamala Harris, Barrac Obama, Bill Clinton and George Bush jr. and Martin Luther King jr......

[barren cove]

its no use without an account anyways

[serene nacelle]

Screenshots will still give them traffic, screenshots do nothing to stop people to go there by searching the name

[velvet fern]

I don't see how that's stupid.

Curation of server members is going to get you miles further over just banning links willy-nilly. The link clearly is not the problem, it's the people. If you just want to ban the platform just because the CEO is a dipshit, that doesn't mean your ban will improve anything. If anything, it will probably make it worse for everyone

[barren cove]

and people that have the account will open the thread themselves anyway

[cold pollen]

post the videos of them doing these "hitler salutes"

[barren cove]

its genuinely such an air shaker decision at most

[north thorn]

@solid marten is this ticketable #1332789056068780083 message

do you think

[last grail]

EVERYONE'S A NAZI

[velvet fern]

Just nuke this thread and the poll

The server doesn't need more fucking drama

[trail rampart]

Well, the poll shows more people want it banned

[kindred hill]

denied, this thread is approved for all audiences 13-95

[velvet fern]

I don't see how that's a benefit

[serene nacelle]

I read this backwards as the drama didn't need more fucking server

[lethal gorge]

Maybe start by removing all the bad actors excusing Musk in here?

[north thorn]

it has got to be unironically the most racist thing i've seen in here putting mlk on that list

[barren cove]

thats what i've been saying since yesterday - the entire poll and the discussion thread is just mods having fun putting up parts of the community against each other lol

[solid marten]

https://archive.is/HR7Ol

You don't oppose twitter?? Did you read the link?

[barren cove]

the only bad actors in this whole situation are mods who are clearly doing this in bad faith

[north thorn]

i think it's the best faith, perosnally

[solid marten]

don't ask me, just make the ticket 🙂

[barren cove]

if their intention was opposing fascism, they'd just ban the links and get over with it

[tardy mountain]

arguably false

[full solstice]

That's ageist against any resilient 96+ year old haha

[solid marten]

if it's not, mods should let you know

[tardy mountain]

their intention is to listen to the community

[north thorn]

@kindred hill the bot keeps telling me it wont let me make tickets

[north thorn]

i cant

[tardy mountain]

and then this thread turned into a hellhole so they just grabbed popcorn

[solid marten]

lets go to #bot-commands

[kindred hill]

i'm here to ban nazis

[barren cove]

run a poll without a discussion, or limit the discussion to controversial

[tardy mountain]

fair

[kindred hill]

this thread has done more for cleaning out the trash than any mod action in the last 5 years

[tardy mountain]

true lmao

[kindred hill]

can you imagine civil debate in controversial over server actions

[cold pollen]

Pride month and trans visibility day:

[serene nacelle]

Important question: do you like black metal

[kindred hill]

i am a sabaton enjoyer and love unleash the archers lately

[tardy mountain]

important question: uhhh i forgor

[barren cove]

it'd be limited to people interested

i genuinely dont care what the outcome of the poll is but what upsets me is that this is happening at all

[tardy mountain]

just like this thread...

[full solstice]

Sabaton always hypes up anyone, good choice!

[barren cove]

sooner of later there will be more discussions about various world issues than arch and idk if im for it

[serene nacelle]

Based in that case can I send you a friend request to introduce you to the beautiful genre of atmospheric black metal?

[errant sable]

So Musk spending unhealthy amounts of time on Twitter (being an ass) = weaponizing the platform? I'm sorry, but that's jumping the shark quite a bit.

[kindred hill]

sure we can date

let me invite you into my polycule

[barren cove]

you guys should listen to behelit by slaughter to prevail its pretty nice

[solid marten]

error, strawman argument

[lethal gorge]

I actually joined because I saw a person on Mastodon remark on this thread. I thought "there is no way the Archlinux community has an actual debate on this, surely it's a no-brainer?". Sadly, I was wrong.

[signal rivet]

Quirked up South African boy gets freaky and throws it up Adolf style at the Inauguration

[serene nacelle]

Oooooooooooo

[errant sable]

Pardon me for skimming the article.

[tardy mountain]

this is the arch community server

[kindred hill]

link me to that post lol

[tardy mountain]

its a server for the arch community, not for arch

[barren cove]

the problem is that this community was always made of two halves - highly political and apolitical people, and happenings like these always trigger one or the other side for no apparent reason

it has happened before, its happening now, and itll keep happening again

[tardy mountain]

idk if im phrasing this properly

[barren cove]

i uhhh i dont think thats how it should work

[tardy mountain]

i think people matter

[barren cove]

judging by the "arch linux community" name it'd expect it to be an... arch centric community

[solid marten]

Why don't you ram it up your pimhole you fusking cloth prunker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM

[barren cove]

were i to know it is not, i'd go somewhere else

[velvet fern]

I believe X/Twitter's owner, Elon, is a criminal (given he has broken multiple laws), and he's a person you shouldn't trust.

I believe X/Twitter is often an incredibly toxic platform.

However, I do not believe it is right to ban the platform outright. What you're doing is you're effectively throwing out the baby with the bathwater. There are people who use it, and given that the community is so split on this, it'll just splurge the community into more unnecessary drama. I guarantee there's no need to ban the platform, someone quite probably got pissed about people using Twitter and the CEO being a dumbass, and proceeded to make a poll because they think somehow this will do literally anything.

[worthy chasm]

what exactly is happening?

[barren cove]

i just, unfortunately, also don't know any other arch community thats as alive as this one, but also isnt riddled with constant politics and/or homophobia/transphobia/etc

[tardy mountain]

you dont talk about arch 24/7, same for every other person in this server

[tardy mountain]

there are multiple channels for a reason

[velvet fern]

This looks like yet another hopeless attempt to "fix" the community by censoring everyone even more. Just leave the fucking people alone, the world is fucked as is

[trail rampart]

We keep going in circles with these arguments.

[barren cove]

sure, but the topics are at least arch and/or tech aligned

[barren cove]

exactly what im saying btw

[cold pollen]

Clearly you've never used Arch....

[signal rivet]

(btw)

[solid marten]

I dunno, I think one user in paritcular is in a position now to very clearly state whether they support transphobia or not

[barren cove]

for politics we have controversial and thats about it

[tardy mountain]

in #tech-general, sure

[lethal gorge]

ever spend so much time on a social media site that you accidentally change the terms of service to allow transphobia?

[tardy mountain]

outside #tech-general? not so much

[barren cove]

there are other places for talking about things like world issues and whatnot

[velvet fern]

a pointless and endless argument about how X should be banned on the server because dogecoin guy decided it'd be hilarious to go back to the 40s

[barren cove]

if this becomes a trend, this server will be just about as bad as the transphobic/homophobic/etc-phobic ones in my book, where no actual arch discussion takes place

[trail rampart]

I am honestly so lost at this point

[tardy mountain]

i very much have

[errant sable]

I don't spend any amount of time on social media. I care very much for my mental well being.

[solid marten]

Okay, let me help you, you're in the Ubuntu linux discord

[cold pollen]

evidently not because Arch users never stop mentioning they use it...

[lethal gorge]

are you an LLM or something? that was a total non-sequitur.

[worthy chasm]

welp, goodluck with that ya'll

[full solstice]

Everyone is, so confusing and pointless 🤷‍♂️

[barren cove]

stops being a thing after you actually get accustomed to arch because installing it stops being an achievement but rather a routine

[errant sable]

Absolutely. I'm here to help you.

😩

[solid marten]

that one wasn't, they were asked if they spend time on social media, they stated they don't use it, and why.

[trail rampart]

What? Me? Which one? I only in like 4 servers and only this one is linux related...

[worthy chasm]

ill just lurk and read chat

[solid marten]

it was a joke about you being lost...

[tardy mountain]

you cannot have a community that stays on topic 100% of the time, we are all people and we all have things that matter to us

[lethal gorge]

There was veiled sarcasm in my original question...

[trail rampart]

Ah, sorry I am not good at understanding what are jokes or not

[solid marten]

oh there's an attachment, yeah, you're right

[north thorn]

we barely actually discuss arch as it is, people use different distros in here

[barren cove]

yes, i'm not arguing against that

i do, however, see attempts at dragging the community into discussing pointless issues such as this one as a deliberate derailing

[tardy mountain]

but it isnt deliberate derailing

you are approching this so wrong its not even funny

again its the mods wanting to listen to the community

[barren cove]

even im not arguing against the ban or for the ban at this point, i personally couldn't care less as i don't use X, but i do however have beef with the mods here for wherever they're going with this

[barren cove]

the issue is that it always goes the exact same way

[north thorn]

for asking the community what they want to do? wow how irresponsible of them

[lethal gorge]

The other Discord servers I'm in that have done this just did it lol.

[barren cove]

i'll tell you more, its very clear that for any decision like this, the outcome of a poll/vote/whatnot will always be in favor of the most logical one, like here, for banning the links

but it isnt fun when you do the expectedly most popular thing anyway

[lethal gorge]

No questions asked.

[kindred hill]

I literally asked the Debian Community the very same question that Anna is asking you over here right now. So is it pointless for me to ask my own community how they feel about it?

[north thorn]

you were given a courtesy for your ability to vote on this, they could have done it withouot your input

[kindred hill]

Banning something unilaterally isn't for the faint of heart.

[lethal gorge]

Yeah not suggesting that was the right approach at all.

But, just pointing out to the complainers that at the end of the day, mods are gods.

[kindred hill]

Stop crying over spilt milk and be glad you have a voice in it. Fascists like Musk wouldn't give you the chance.

[velvet fern]

What was the exact change? I wasn't aware of this ToS change particularly. It doesn't sound that bad to me initially, don't just parrot things off some articles/social media posts.

If they removed a specific prohibition against that, it could be due to multiple reasons, and isn't always guaranteed to be outright malicious. A lot of these sorts of guidelines prohibiting deadnaming are hard to enforce, because aholes exist all around, and lying exists. When you add a guideline, it should be reasonable to enforce.

It could also be Elon's move to "free speech" or whatever the fuck of course.

[barren cove]

i'm more interested in this - were the team to be for something, but the community against, say, specifically in this matter - would the modteam actually listen?

[kindred hill]

If the people voted to not ban it, it should be the mod team's imperitive to respect the will of the people.

[barren cove]

i personally couldnt give less of a crap about musk or X, i just like this server

[kindred hill]

I would respect any decision made by the community.

[solid marten]

did the Debian community have anywhere near a similar reaction to it?

[barren cove]

it should - but do you think the mods here would actually respect it?

because i dont

[north thorn]

liking this server comes with the understanding that the majority of people don't like musk or x, and want links gone

[kindred hill]

Not like this.

[north thorn]

if you dont like that part about it, you dont actually like this server

[lethal gorge]

Ah, the "complexify and unpick" approach that takes any obvious, face-value explanation and tries to muddy it to the degree where "legitimate concerns" can be introduced.

Dude, the ToS protected trans people against abuse, then it didn't.

How friggin obvious does it need to be?

[barren cove]

i dont care about the links, as i've mentioned before

i'm talking about the bias of this server that makes running polls like this pointless, discussions especially turning into a pointless flame war

[velvet fern]

It's not that simple.

[lethal gorge]

Yes, it is!

[tardy mountain]

it is that simple

[lethal gorge]

You don't want it to be simple.

That's all.

[north thorn]

it's called democracy baybee

[tardy mountain]

exactly

[barren cove]

as i've mentioned before, do you think anyone will actually read through this whole thing?

[velvet fern]

Tell me you've never written any actually enforceable guidelines without telling me

[lethal gorge]

What on Earth is that to do with anything?

[tardy mountain]

tell me youve never spoken to anyone or left your basement without telling me

[solid marten]

can you explain to me the nuance that you feel is lacking?

[north thorn]

i have actually, i've run multiple social community websites including the now defunct ultima island, i can tell you it's not actually that hard to just say "no transphobia"

it is actually that simple, and a failure to do so makes you responsible for any incurred hatred towards marginalized communities

[barren cove]

im going back to talking about linux, you guys tell me how this works out later and how many people get banned, im just curious as a stat

[north thorn]

lmao your argument got btfo so you just bailed on it, nice

[velvet fern]

"no transphobia" is not the same as "no deadnaming trans people"

[north thorn]

you dont like democracy

[north thorn]

they're the same thing

[lethal gorge]

Yeah, I'm done lol

[velvet fern]

My browser just imploded

[solid marten]

so you're saying transphobia was allowed, but then now even more is allowed?

[velvet fern]

Hang on

[barren cove]

no, this is just the second time im presenting an argument with no clear response to it besides personal attacks, or someone being tone deaf to what im saying, so i just kinda dont care as this doesnt affect me personally, at least for now

[north thorn]

these people are being obtuse on purpose, it's the cryptofash playbook

[tardy mountain]

they are one and the same, and to argue theyre not is to be entirely clueless

[north thorn]

you had clear responses, you just don't like them

[worthy chasm]

i am more of an acute triangle if you ask me

[north thorn]

read the room

[north thorn]

well its got cute in it so u must be alright

[barren cove]

i could argue the same way against your arguments - this is going nowhere, so i'd rather agree to disagree, if you're okay with that

[north thorn]

whatever

[lethal gorge]

if the debate level is me vs "it is okay to deadname trans people" then I think we are done here.

[tardy mountain]

yeah i can also say i have 1 billion dollars in my bank account but unfortunately that doesnt make it true

[north thorn]

yeah, that's another ticket i think

[barren cove]

i think we're just approaching the issue from different sides and just can't hear each other - there's definitely truth in your and djinzi's arguments that i agree with, and there's some in mine that im probably failing to paint clearly

[sinful aspen]

this thread is certainly something

just read a snippet of the things sent a few hours ago

[north thorn]

its a spectacular shitshow

[barren cove]

democracy and presenting community with choices is the correct thing to do - its that this server specifically has a bias that makes it useless in the actual outcome produced, but gets us useless drama that comes up to practically nothing in itself

[north thorn]

no, you just don't like democracy

that's literally how democracies work, people have biases, teh majority wins the vote

like bruh

[kindred hill]

%ban 574110505254256640 transphobia

[silent moon]

\fires them railguns at @velvet fern Ò_Ó

[north thorn]

thanks aristocat

[kindred hill]

Thanks @north thorn

[silent moon]

djxnzi received a thank you cookie!

[barren cove]

okay - run a poll 😭

[north thorn]

yw

[sinful aspen]

wasnt this meant to just be a yes or no to banning twitter links, how did it end up like this

[north thorn]

they literally are? that's a vote

[barren cove]

i dont get the point of allowing this whole discussion specifically

[barren cove]

the poll is - the separate thread is not

[north thorn]

there's literally a poll, and we were offered a space to discuss among ourselves

[solid marten]

how did you find out about this thread? lol

[north thorn]

and ultimately all that's come out of it is a bunch of nazis coming mask off and saying bannable shit

[barren cove]

the everyone ping lol

[north thorn]

like if this was an attempt from the mods to purposefully clear out the userbase of nazis, it's pretty brilliant

[lethal gorge]

I saw a post about it on my fedi server's local timeline.

[glacial yarrow]

Is this chat still active?!?!

[solid marten]

and what was with that ping?

[barren cove]

its insane but yes

[sinful aspen]

a honeypot?

[glacial yarrow]

I was literally one of the first people on this thread like how long is this going to go

[barren cove]

the thread link

[north thorn]

yea, it probably isn't but it's funny it had that effect

[solid marten]

anything else?

[barren cove]

nah i dont see anything else that matters

[sinful aspen]

also i thought that considering how much politics was referenced this would be a thread made in #controversial-archive or something

[barren cove]

^ yup

but i'd also personally genuinely just disallow discussion of this and keep the poll - let the people pick, dont pitch people against each other

[solid marten]

it's ultimately about the nature of what is or isn't to be allowed in the server

[solid marten]

some people will be undecidded

[north thorn]

yeah i'd say that fits in server meta even if it is political

[lethal gorge]

Squid Game style O/X patches afterwards?

[tardy mountain]

do i get a sticker for having voted

[north thorn]

lol

me too

[barren cove]

all im saying is that this whole experience in general has been pretty unpleasant - not aimed towards anyone specifically in here as i treat all and all with respect (except the actual nazis they can go fuck themselves)

[sinful aspen]

"I voted" role icon next to your name fr

an alt?

[tardy mountain]

yoooo

[barren cove]

looks like an alt

[north thorn]

really smart play being rude to mods

genuis

[errant sable]

In my day, in the era of IRC, there was such a thing as "off topic". The message mattered, not the platform it was delivered on.

[sinful aspen]

bro had that alt as a backup for a while

[solid marten]

they weren't being rude

[north thorn]

you literally pinged a mod my dude

[north thorn]

"stop parroting things off the internet"

[solid marten]

I don't think that's rude personally

[sinful aspen]

glistering are you thered

[north thorn]

sounded pretty rude to me, agree to disagree then

@kindred hill ban evader

[solid marten]

two minutes later @indigo plover comes into this server, and then 2 minutes later talks about that specific ban.
If you are contesting a ban gilstering, open a ticket to talk to the mods

[kindred hill]

%ban 324150253370474496

[silent moon]

Invalid arguments.
%ban <UserIDs> <duration> <warning reason>
<UserIDs> - User ID(s) to be banned.

<duration> - Duration with the d & h specifiers, for example 1d12h. Use 0 for permanent.

<warning reason> - An optional warning message to be recorded and PMed to the user.

[kindred hill]

%quickban 324150253370474496

[silent moon]

\fires them railguns at @indigo plover Ò_Ó

[sinful aspen]

dude was ready for that admission

[solid marten]

Loser

[north thorn]

right

like ok if you dont think they were rude, but they were pretty silly anyway

[solid marten]

it's important because to me it read like an autistic person speaking what they percieved the truth to be

[north thorn]

i can have empathy for that, but that doesn't mean i won't still say it's wrong

[lethal gorge]

If a @SparklyLemon turns up and starts quoting more twitter ToS now I swear...

[sinful aspen]

ShimmeringCitrus*

[north thorn]

lol

[tardy mountain]

ShimmeringOrange

TheBlue

[cold pollen]

ShinyClementine

[tardy mountain]

lmao

[north thorn]

luxurious lime 🍋‍🟩

[warm venture]

If I bought twitter would yall unban it please

[north thorn]

yea if you bought it that'd be pretty goated, you got 47 billion on hand or whatever elon bought it for?

[warm venture]

I don’t have it but listen I make deals

[lethal gorge]

I really do not think it is still worth whatever he bought it for

[north thorn]

he piledrived the value on the most iconic and recognizable brands ever next to mickey mouse

[tardy mountain]

it wasnt worth that much when he bought it anyway lmao

[lethal gorge]

absolutely, ignoring everything else, the branding was great. mcdonalds arches level identifiable.

and he replaced it with absolute shite. masterful.

[north thorn]

capitally it wasn't worth much but the social value was so high on it

[tardy mountain]

chatttt helpppp

[north thorn]

what is it sylv

[tardy mountain]

im comfy in bed and my earbuds are out of reach

[warm venture]

Sister needs help in 2025 😭

[tardy mountain]

what does that even mean 😭

[tardy mountain]

ended up getting up

[sinful aspen]

sadly none of us have the ability of telekinesis, and if someone did, i would NOT be in this server

something about a basically untraceable telekinetic and being able to use an ability like that at long range does not scream "i shall only use this power with great responsibility"

[tardy mountain]

if i had telekinesis i would use it for highly illegal but moral things

[sinful aspen]

more like "i will proceed to dismantle everything in a few metres radius of you" at BEST.

(including all electronic devices, furniture, the structure of your house, etc)

[chilly sigil]

if i had telekinesis i'd use it only for my profit
if i would be smart about it i could rule the world

[warm venture]

I would use it for partly immoral and partly illegal things. They call me a centrist

[sinful aspen]

oh my tux i just realised how easily conversations in here go offtopic

[tardy mountain]

id use it for the benefit of humanity and also just silly things

[chilly sigil]

topic was finish, nothing new said

[barren cove]

no dont do that

[sinful aspen]

i wouldnt be smiting people, probably some tomfoolery at worst

[north thorn]

no no, this is a good thing, th- nevermind

[barren cove]

dismantle all hdmi cables and chargers instead

itll mildly inconvenience people

[signal rivet]

“Y’know what? Fuck you” (telekinetically unplugs your eyes)

[tardy mountain]

i would for sure kill a few people

[barren cove]

like you still have your stuff but its useless

[north thorn]

lmao

[chilly sigil]

bend one random pin of every cpu

[sinful aspen]

i dont know if im allowed to say that

[sinful aspen]

make sure its an important pin

[tardy mountain]

NO WHAT THE FUCK

[barren cove]

and praying its a ground pin

[chilly sigil]

no some less important one so it'd behave somewhat and then crash and crash

[barren cove]

discharge all cmos batteries so that everyones bios keeps resetting

[sinful aspen]

oh, more like the "ill give them enough errors to make them annoyed, but not too many to the point where they fix or replace it"

[chilly sigil]

yeah

[sinful aspen]

well, hello satan

[signal rivet]

slightly unplug a power cable on someone’s new build

[chilly sigil]

and disconnect every fan control pin, for the noise

[warm venture]

I’d do this and work at a computer store so every time someone leaves all their shit breaks but when it comes back it all works so they go insane

[tardy mountain]

just causing vague issues that dont truly point to the CPU being borked

[north thorn]

well this is a nice change of pace

[barren cove]

nonono

cut every half of internal wires of an ethernet cable so everyones internet is just mildly slow

[tardy mountain]

NOOOOO

[chilly sigil]

overclock the ram and when they come back stealthly reset the bios

[north thorn]

[sinful aspen]

put a tiny bit of lead into peoples routers so wifi users get slower speeds, fr

[tardy mountain]

NOOOOO

[signal rivet]

Crash the heads on their hdds

[sinful aspen]

like, just encase the entire internals of their router in a thin layer of lead

[chilly sigil]

put sata -> usb 2 > sata on every sata storage

[barren cove]

downgrade everyones wifi to 2.4ghz so it still works but randomly doesnt because of interference

[tardy mountain]

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT THE ETHERNET THING WOULDNT AFFECT ME BECAUSE IM ON WIFI AND I HAVE A ROUTER THAT TAKES STRAIGHT FIBER

[chilly sigil]

replace all fiber with copper

[barren cove]

make every antenna on a router but one non functional so you still get wifi but bad reception

[ebon zealot]

ya all why is this thread still a thing though

[warm venture]

We’re discussing banning the links

[tardy mountain]

yeah definitely

[signal rivet]

Become aquaman and make the sea creatures attack the undersea internet cables

[ebon zealot]

so true

[barren cove]

but only do this when someone's playing an online game

but dont destroy the cables completely so they just get shitty ping and not outright disconnected

[tardy mountain]

nah just break them yourself, easier

[chilly sigil]

and on land make garden over the place fiber goes under, and then dig carrots or something

[barren cove]

becoming aquaman to mildly inconvenience that one person playing cs2

[warm venture]

I wish I was a shark so I could eat the deep sea baguettes

[signal rivet]

Ooo flex someone’s gpu just enough to break it in a non-obvious way

[tardy mountain]

i wish i was a fox

[warm venture]

A fox fits you

You’re fox coded

[barren cove]

slightly unplug all the 8pin power cables so they work but burn under load

you never know when that could happen

[sinful aspen]

if this chat gets archived, the mods will regret giving the people free speech to discuss the terms of this potential ban

[chilly sigil]

make all hdmi and dp be just single link dvi

[barren cove]

make all hdmi only be micro hdmi

[tardy mountain]

woaaaa

[chilly sigil]

or if there's display over usb-c, display over usb micro b

[sinful aspen]

"discuss whether we should ban twitter"

"i wish i was a shark so i could eat the deep sea baguettes"

[north thorn]

hello im a fox
step 1 to being a fox: you just do it
step 2: yip

[barren cove]

oh my god

change all usbc back to microusb

[chilly sigil]

yes

[leaden ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/667889924233625613/1328024372107149332/zebrafish.webp

[warm venture]

This was the hitler levels of this thread with X being time and 0 being the time of the everyone ping

[barren cove]

make sure it works but only under a certain angle

[signal rivet]

Break all video connectors except composite and s-video

[sinful aspen]

at least it decreased

[barren cove]

make sure that every headset has one side sliiightly louder than the other

[chilly sigil]

make it like vga so it becomes magenta if even dust hits it

[north thorn]

i still see a couple in here but they aint sayin nothing 👀

[warm venture]

That’s why it never truly reaches 0

[tardy mountain]

counterargument: component :)

[barren cove]

oh i disagree, in my experience vga will rip the port out of the monitor and still work like nothing happened before it ever breaks

[chilly sigil]

KEEP SCART

[tardy mountain]

YEAH

[chilly sigil]

scart is the best one

[tardy mountain]

SCART MY BELOVED

[signal rivet]

My grandpa was telling me about how he saw the H-man in person and then hit the heil at a restaurant.

[warm venture]

I used to have to use vga on my thinkpad cause I didn’t have mini-dp and I swear there was static all over the screen

[north thorn]

excuse me

[tardy mountain]

i use vga on my desktop pc

[barren cove]

idk i never had issues with vga

[chilly sigil]

could be temporal dithering tho

[barren cove]

now i had to move to hdmi and dp due to new gpu and periodically it just dies

[barren cove]

and also i can only connect the monitors in a special order because switching them up causes the gpu to fail to read the EDID on one of them

so yeah vga for the win

[chilly sigil]

i have two vga monitors, one fine, other one leaks all color to the right, so it's blurred in one dimension

[tardy mountain]

because the HDMI input on my monitor is broken in a way that either works or not depending on the OS running on the connected device

[signal rivet]

Grandpa lore 😤😤😤

[north thorn]

no one asked my guy

[chilly sigil]

my gpu can't handle one of my vga monitor EDID no matter what, it keeps spamming dmesg

[barren cove]

linux in general has been giving me weird funsies regarding connecting anything

its not just monitors

[chilly sigil]

maybe timing issue?

[tardy mountain]

im entirely fucking serious, linux has no issues, my nintendo switch only displayed in 480p, windows on x86 doesnt detect it at all, windows on arm works fine

[barren cove]

i got a new mechanical keyboard recently that supports VIA

i couldnt configure it with the linux client no matter what i did becuase it wouldnt see my keyboard

[chilly sigil]

VIA? the cpu?

[barren cove]

VIA the QMK extension

[chilly sigil]

QMK is that like make for QML?

[barren cove]

standardized firmware for customisation, remappings, macros

[chilly sigil]

oh

[barren cove]

for mechanical keyboards

[warm venture]

Macros like emacs?

[barren cove]

actually yes lol

[chilly sigil]

keyboard with integrated emacs

[barren cove]

the linux client of via would absolutely not detect my keyboard no matter what

but spinning up a windows vm and doing usb passthrough of the keeb to it allowed me to customize it inside windows 😭

funniest thing i've ever done with passthrough

[chilly sigil]

linux: apple aluminium keyboard

[tardy mountain]

i had to make a windows xp vm to flash my nokia e71

[tardy mountain]

on windows 10 itd bluescreen lmao

[barren cove]

wtf

[chilly sigil]

it's fine when connected wirelessly over 2,4ghz, but not over usb-c -> usb-a

i had to disable apple kernel thing to get fkeys work

[barren cove]

obligatory keyboard flex

[warm venture]

Imagine the Touch Bar of the MacBook could be your mode line or command bar thing which I forgot its name

[tardy mountain]

my keyboard is just the kb on my laptop

[barren cove]

when i only had a laptop i used to have a gaming membrane that was wider than the laptop itself 😭😭

[warm venture]

My keyboard is this shitty gaming keyboard that I bummed off of a friend

It’s got 5 G buttons which I assume stand for Game

[chilly sigil]

riced keyboard

[barren cove]

im still getting used to mine because im also russian

now using the years of blind typing because only english glyphs are there 😭

its so weird periodically just losing a key and having to snap out of it and search for one

[chilly sigil]

only the real ones have keyboard wider than monitor

[barren cove]

i mean...

nope, just checked

mine is not quite there 😭

but the space savings are insane

[chilly sigil]

i wouldn't be able to live without numpad tbh

[barren cove]

never used it so got rid of it

[chilly sigil]

i'd have to press shift with +ěščřžýáíé "number" row keys to get numbers 😭

[sinful aspen]

what in tarnation

[errant sable]

Good controller. 👍🏿

[last grail]

this is stupid

[chilly sigil]

yeah keyboards are stupid

let's all use voice recognisition instead of typing

[kindred hill]

no u

[shell gale]

No Cross-Server Drama

[sour pecan]

working on that

[sour pecan]

keyboard larger than your palm is kinda cringe

[dusky roost]

why do not you just focus on developing this precious operating system and distro?

[chilly sigil]

arch is anything but precious

[ebon topaz]

what in the world is this thread about anymore

[chilly sigil]

new urandom

[north thorn]

aint nobody in here actually developing arch linux

what a silly statement

[solid marten]

One of the mods is an arch dev actually

[north thorn]

oh that's cool

[ebon zealot]

kinda based

[glacial yarrow]

fuck that, get each keystroke directly from the brain, there, no latency

[noble geode]

I would make so many errors

[vagrant lark]

bsky is decentralized just nobody actually self-hosts it

[kindred hill]

My whole take on this, feel free to promote it elsewhere. https://bsky.app/profile/the-aristocat.bsky.social/post/3lh7sa2mdw22l

Aristo (@the-aristocat.bsky.social)

In the last couple of days, I have seen people on various open source communities compare the wave of banning Twitter on Discord & Reddit as "banning an entire nation", and this take infuriates me for many reasons that I am about to dive into.

Bluesky

[solid marten]

or, you know, xkcd it

.s freespeech

[wet sinew]

https://xkcd.com/1357

xkcd: Free Speech

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

[low lintel]

i just want you all to know

as the OP i've had 6000 pings

thank you to @static notch for making me the most powerful woman on arch

[silent moon]

anna [it/its] received a thank you cookie!

[low lintel]

i'll never be this loved again

[static notch]

💜

[kindred hill]

LOL

[static notch]

i selfhost it!

https://at.ap5.network

[kindred hill]

I believe you can link your bsky account natively on discord now too

Are you on the mainline node?

[north thorn]

hey sorry to interrupt, there's a user simping for the AfD in #tech-general , the alt right party in germany

[leaden ledge]

oh no not again

[north thorn]

repeating alt right slogans #tech-general message

[static notch]

i wouldn't like to link it because... honestly, r1a

[full solstice]

So is Bluesky better than Twitter? Kinda looks the same

[kindred hill]

bluesky grew out of twitter when jack still owned it

it was an experiment into their own version of fediverse tech

then it got spunoff shortly before the elon takeover

so it has a lot of the same DNA as pre-Elon twitter

[full solstice]

oh ok

[noble geode]

it's not 1984 anymore

[crimson maple]

why even do this

[silent lagoon]

I hate nazis.

[crimson maple]

why involve politics in a server about an operating system?

[silent lagoon]

Because the Linux community is queer.

[crimson maple]

what

you cannot just say that an entire community is "queer" because a large portion of it is

[silent lagoon]

There's a much more nuance take on this somewhere. I don't feel like typing it, but I'll get back to you soon.

[noble geode]

nazisim died in the Nuremberg Trials in 1945. do you mean neo-nazism?

[sand urchin]

scientific research suggests that these two are actually the same thing

[gusty stump]

If you understand what someone's trying to say, maybe don't be overly pedantic?

[noble geode]

i am being pedantic because this whole topic is ridiculous

[gusty stump]

You can also just express finding it ridiculous without being pedantic?

[north thorn]

at least you admit it

[noble geode]

hi, alt account

[spare tide]

I don't get why this really is a topic. X is one of biggest platform for arch linux to advertise itself and a big amount of Tech savy people are there, I don't see this topic doing any good to arch linux or overall linux

[north thorn]

given the fact that the community discord is not "arch linux", and we have valid concerns about giving traffic to a website owned by a nazi, i don't think not distancing ourselves from it as part of the open source community does any good for us either

[narrow magnet]

This is just a political thing yall are doing lol

[north thorn]

yup

[solid marten]

Came in an hour ago, made three messages in the server, all here, left when you called them out.

[narrow magnet]

Ok yea I don't take this server seriously then

[north thorn]

ok then you shouldn't be here

[spare tide]

I am trying to come to this topic from a balanced standpoint I think X and arch linux are bigger than america or even the west as a whole, like I come from india and here we have no talks about elon being a nazi and even the things the lgbtq community face on X or on any other social media platform.

[narrow magnet]

Nice strategy to grow the open source community, telling people you disagree with politically to leave

Sure are doing Linux a solid 👍

[north thorn]

what, the fact that we don't like a nazi?

[narrow magnet]

He's not a nazi lol

[north thorn]

he is a nazi lol

[solid marten]

Just to clarify you joined 2 years ago, and aside from an off topic funny (and it was funny) the rest of your messages are all in this thread…

[narrow magnet]

The American prazda just says he is lol

[north thorn]

im not even american

[narrow magnet]

American/European prazda

[north thorn]

im not even european

keep naming regions tho you'll land on the bingo square eventually

[stark ruin]

Why do yall argue about things other than ban yes or no? Just mute people for talking off topic

[solid marten]

You don’t think linux is political?

[north thorn]

the topic is why, and why is because we dont like giving traffic to a nazi

[solid marten]

France!!!

[unique nymph]

compared to a few days ago my stance is changing on the matter

[north thorn]

keep politics out of film/video games/linux/whatever aaaaaa

[neon ibex]

what the hell is a prazda

[north thorn]

nope!

[tulip tiger]

Poland!!!

[solid marten]

It’s what the devil does not wear

[narrow magnet]

I did intend to actually use this server for support and other funny stuff but I ended up finding stuff our on my own and focusing on better communities than this

I'll probably take my chances with the arch Linux forum instead after this

[unique nymph]

it's like a Mazda but with prada

[north thorn]

nope!!!!

[solid marten]

Paris!

[north thorn]

i already said not france! you're penalized for one guess

[neon ibex]

lmfao 😭

[stark ruin]

So just ban links and done?

[solid marten]

Are you in the far right arch linux discord?

[narrow magnet]

No

[north thorn]

they left it up to democracy, this is democracy in action

[narrow magnet]

This is the only one I'm in

[solid marten]

You also said not Europe to start with so you’re penalising things unfairly

[tulip tiger]

Why are people making this political? Like why people shove politics into everything

[north thorn]

my game my rules

[unique nymph]

Well this is still just hypothetical and purely academical iirc

[north thorn]

the thread is academic, the vote isn't afaik

[spare tide]

I personally have not seen any person from lgbtq community having problem on X. Like the person from LTT Emily Young she recently transitioned from a guy to a girl and is using X. The only thing i can think of is people on X can say negative about trans people on X and dont get banned but that could be considered freedom of speech.

[solid marten]

Yes what could be political about NAZIism

[narrow magnet]

*Pravda, sorry I misspelt

[tulip tiger]

X is not just nazism

[north thorn]

hi, im lgbtq, i have a problem with x, stop speaking for me and my community

[solid marten]

Elon Musk appears to be though

[barren cove]

ah, back to our scheduled drama

[stark ruin]

I'm LGBT and I voted for us not to allow it. I have a problem with Twitter.

[ornate scroll]

steve_hmmSIP

[north thorn]

stop using us as tokens

[narrow magnet]

Twitter is way better than it used to be

[north thorn]

do not tolkenize lgbt people

[barren cove]

can't wait for the poll to end for us all to go back to the default schedule of asking for support in #tech-general

[spare tide]

Ok so I am from the male community and i have problems with linux and because you are not from the male community you cant have a opinion on it

[solid marten]

My gay friend said it was fine to tokenise yall

[stark ruin]

Cool give me money then right now

[north thorn]

no one cares if you're male, superstraight

[cold pollen]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions#Arch_needs_more_press_(i.e._advertisement) rtfm....

[ornate scroll]

fukin gaycoin lol

[tulip tiger]

So you suggest BSD to be apolitical or do we just return to rock and stone?

[narrow magnet]

After this I'm probably going to post screenshots of Twitter posts lol

If I decide this server is worth posting in anyway

[north thorn]

so you're just here to drama bait? <@&399818870568779776>

[spare tide]

ironically thats true you guys get a lot of fuzz even being not that big in population wise like i heard any lgbtq person is a criminal in like 70 countries

[barren cove]

all due respect and with my neutrality on the topic, you consider yourself a bit too important 🙏

[north thorn]

if you're going to post screenshots anyway then stop arguing about it

[narrow magnet]

No, I'm just in this thread to voice my disagreement with this rather ill-advised push to ban Twitter links

[north thorn]

cool strawman, just say you're transphobic

[tulip tiger]

If you're gonna ban Twitter then ban 4chan as well... and that chain could be goin

[solid marten]

I’m confused by your message here…I use linux in part because of its politics

[tulip tiger]

😆

[north thorn]

pretty sure 4chan is already banned

[sand urchin]

oh, you can post screenshots. if the server decides that your posts are worth keeping.

[spare tide]

no way one of friend is gay you know in india they behave diffrent from the west like the cultural gap is so much he has a poster of the whole paypal mafia in his hostel room and elon is in it

[atomic moat]

It depends on the topic of links that are being posted, universally banning it would just be lame

[north thorn]

no one cares, your "my one gay friend" isn't a good argument about anything

[unique nymph]

I'm reading back, but honestly unless I missed something, there isn't a vote in place to ban X here and the thread serves to gather input in light of recent events with other communities, but I entirely agree with the sentiments of your messages here

[grave brook]

"the male community" 😭

[north thorn]

yes there is, read #announcements

[barren cove]

there's a poll

[unique nymph]

Oh bruv

[solid marten]

After I literally made a joke regarding the tokenism it is phrase as “my one gay friend” is wild

[unique nymph]

Carry on

[north thorn]

RIGHT LOL

[solid marten]

#announcements

[north thorn]

like bruh stop tokenizing lgbt people fr

it's not a good look

[tulip tiger]

Let's get funny and throw into mix tiktok

[kindred hill]

What's the male community

OH MY GOD LOL

[north thorn]

isnt lunduke a chud

cries about muh woke constantly

[tulip tiger]

🤣 We are famous

[hard pivot]

Is this conversation serious?

[north thorn]

no it doesnt lol, this is a discord server my dude, if you dont like it you can start your own

[narrow magnet]

Going woke sure worked out for ubisoft lol

[spare tide]

the same could be said about you but here's the thing i think we can argue about it for hours and hours but the main thing is people have way important things in life and the most number of tech savy people will still remain on X, most people who join bluesky does due to politics and most people have to earn money to put food on the table and they arn't some sort of activist or something. Those are the majority of people what this wil do is does more harm to linux then good

[north thorn]

tell us about DEI next

[stark ruin]

Surprised there are people to discuss being pro Twitter here. Figured they should all be elsewhere fighting about DEI or their favorite hate crime of the week.

[north thorn]

idk what you even said, im ignoring you

[hard pivot]

I'm not with Twitter polices but you know banning Twitter doesn't make you win against it, infact it might do the opposite

[north thorn]

its not really about "winning" against twitter

[spare tide]

thats what most people do when they hear no-one/cares well now you even got a reason to ban me.

[hard pivot]

If you hate something if you ban talking about doesn't mean it's not there

[north thorn]

what's the reason to ban you?

[north thorn]

the point is about distancing from it

[solid marten]

Say woke again motherfucker 😂😂🤷

[spare tide]

well i made fun of the pronouce thing by saying no-one/cares that was the whole the vaxry guy from hyprland got banned on freedesktop

[tulip tiger]

There's no win here, only varying degrees of suffering

[grave brook]

do people still use woke unironically in 2025

[narrow magnet]

Based

[north thorn]

oh yeah

[stark ruin]

That's like saying don't ban people for breaking rules. Like if someone says a curse or swear or threatens an individual why ban them? They can still swear, threaten, or harass people somewhere else because they are still alive.

[solid marten]

You can express yourself without a direct link to Twitter

[tulip tiger]

Are they even active?

[north thorn]

<@&399818870568779776> transphobia

[hard pivot]

I don't get why tech and everything has to be political, like is there a reason for it?

[spare tide]

in india we say eat more nuts they increase your memory

[ornate scroll]

"there were doing some stuff where they were hiring but specifically exluding white men or chinese men" HUH? LC_borpa_look

[tulip tiger]

Wow that's... nuts

[north thorn]

dw im plenty intelligent

you should take your own advice tho

[sand urchin]

%op

[silent moon]

Go get em tiger!

[tulip tiger]

The nuke is comin

[sand urchin]

%ban 1226203568046866464 transphobia

[silent moon]

\fires them railguns at @spare tide Ò_Ó

[sand urchin]

a good reason to ban you indeed

[north thorn]

wao its always so cool when gravitos goes red mode

[sand urchin]

%op

[silent moon]

All done?

[solid marten]

To be clear you’re saying private platforms are obliged to provide no censorship beyond what is legally mandated?

[north thorn]

thanks grav

[solid marten]

This is a clarifying question…

[tulip tiger]

Sorry to be out of loop but what nix did?

[north thorn]

they made snowflakes part of their distro or smth idk

[north thorn]

oh great are we going to get closed poll spam now

and that's cooked to you?

[narrow magnet]

Yikes, that's 1984

[stark ruin]

I mean. Idiots and trolls should be getting banned regardless.

[north thorn]

BLUH BLUH LITERALLY 1984

[broken ingot]

Typical cancel culture

[solid marten]

So there isn’t an obligation to only censor what is legally required then?
Free speech is about what you are legally allowed to say, it isn’t about forcing people to give you a platform

[stark ruin]

Womp womp

[north thorn]

y'all have the same fucking shit you repeat constantly man get new material

[stark ruin]

Leave the server if you really don't want to be here.

[north thorn]

ok bye ig

dunno why you had to make a statement about it, you could have just left

[bright pewter]

i forgot i made that poll

[north thorn]

lol

[hard pivot]

Agree

I don't like the right, but the left does the same as the right

[tulip tiger]

Wouldn't it be funny to nuke it now and say it was elaborate troll?

[north thorn]

bluh bluh horseshoe theory, get better material

boooooo

[barren cove]

im taking no sides here but you really aren't putting yourselves in good light by saying you won't be engaging and continuing to engage

[hard pivot]

Always forcing Ideologies censoring stuff... Etc

[bright pewter]

tbh no because i don't really know what to think of the poll

[solid marten]

Freedom of speech is giving nazis a platform, otherwise it isn’t freedom of speech

[north thorn]

inclusive to nazis? no

[stark ruin]

Oh no a tiny discord community is threatening a major billion dollar company so tragic.
Womp womp

[tulip tiger]

Because it's mess

[hard pivot]

Tech wasn't meant to be politicized

[north thorn]

yes it was

[hard pivot]

And people should fight for that

[solid marten]

How can tech not be political?

[hard pivot]

It wasn't until the people started to do it

[broken ingot]

So ban the whole internet then

[north thorn]

everything is political my dude, it came for free with your society

[stark ruin]

Being alive is political. Being in society is political.

[kindred hill]

Then get out

[hard pivot]

It CAN be, but it SHOULDN'T be, just like science geography history... Etc

[barren cove]

i just like to grill

[north thorn]

based

[broken ingot]

There are nazis and hate speech everywhere

[tulip tiger]

Red and green shines in gpu department right? What if some don't care?

[broken ingot]

Disconnect your modem i guess, hehe

[north thorn]

i dont like it guys, stop banning my twitter links bluh bluh it's fascism

[solid marten]

You think science and geography aren’t inherently political?

[kindred hill]

I can show you the door too @noble geode

Who wants to show this troll the door y'all?

[hard pivot]

Yes, but sadly it isn't

[glacial yarrow]

The amount is the question especially how much is let by said platform

[tulip tiger]

🤭

[solid marten]

Geography is just some lines on a map, how could that be political?

[stark ruin]

Geography - Borders literally divide groups of people. Political.

[narrow magnet]

Godot vibes

[hard pivot]

You're missing the point

[north thorn]

chad arch linux admins vs the soy twitter defender

[ornate scroll]

freedom of speech isnt freedom from criticism or social consequences.
if someone is being a nazi asshole just ban them as you would.

but saying everyone on a site is a nazi and banning said site because the owner is a nazi just doesnt sit right with me

[hard pivot]

I know that everything is getting political

[kindred hill]

That's how I treat fascists.

[bright pewter]

i just showed up and now im hooked

[hard pivot]

I'm just saying it shouldn't be and we should fight for that

[kindred hill]

%quickban 1264063054853705790

[silent moon]

\fires them railguns at @ionic gazelle Ò_Ó
._saorsa_.#0000 now has 2 notes.

[kindred hill]

Boom.

[bright pewter]

god fucking damn it this place is literally insta reels or tiktok or fucking bluesky reels

[solid marten]

Banning the site because the owner is a NAZI doesn’t mean everyone on the platform is a NAZI

[glacial yarrow]

are you serious

[cold pollen]

See world war two

[north thorn]

there's a mountain of strawmen y'all are buiding and it's pathetic

[barren cove]

out of curiosity what would be the ban for as per rules

[solid marten]

Fighting for things to…not be political?

[barren cove]

again, no sides taken, but what rules did the guy break lol

[north thorn]

nooo the rules, being a fascist isn't against the rules you cant ban them

[kindred hill]

%quickban 399729485647314964

[silent moon]

\fires them railguns at @twilit kindle Ò_Ó

[cold pollen]

Hey I've seen this one! https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g

[kindred hill]

SWING BABY SWING

[solid marten]

Yes lol, very relevant

[north thorn]

aristocat on a roll

[broken ingot]

Well said

[kindred hill]

@solid marten gotta make you a mod again boss, you gotta get some punches in here too

[barren cove]

didn't see him being fascist either, just sad him arguing against the van - it kinda... stops being a democracy when you don't let people argue against your point as well

[stark ruin]

"Hey guys, talk to the person killing you or family. Talk to them while you get deported. Talk to them while you are denied passports or legal documents, Talk to them when they persecute you. Just hear them out."

[glacial yarrow]

how long is this going to keep on going

[solid marten]

I’m off to sleep, sorry 🙂

[bright pewter]

leaving the thread because its like crack, i keep getting addicted to typing here

[narrow magnet]

Well that's one way to ensure a poll will go the way you want, by banning and ridiculing everyone who voice their opposition

[tulip tiger]

As a past war criminal in terms of amount of warns and mutes here i will just say that i vibe here due to how ultimately how all sides of politics end up ultimately not mattering like wohoo we nuked twitter presence from server that is small dust particle in comparison to it

[bright pewter]

gl on your conclusion

[north thorn]

wrong, but keep yappin

[stark ruin]

Why do they always say this kinda shit to minorities

[sick tinsel]

Wasn’t the original point of this that twitter links are like, broken or smth?

[barren cove]

like atp I'm not certain I won't get banned, despite not taking any sides whatsoever 😭

[lethal gorge]

Honestly this is so entertaining. Mods banning the fash like fish in a barrel in here.

[glacial yarrow]

i dont see 1027 bans

[bright pewter]

german lads can you help me find the close button

[cold pollen]

nah you're fine

[bright pewter]

i usually know that to leave is "verlassen"

[stark ruin]

Shit my bad! I don't study history because it's "political"

[tulip tiger]

If it could be like that everyday in every channel... some good things can't last forever

[north thorn]

there it is

[glacial yarrow]

entfolgen and click on a diff channel

[solid marten]

Unlike geography, or science 😂😂

[north thorn]

here comes the DEI bullshit

[cold pollen]

there's just a ton of alt righters and nutjobs who can't help but expose themselves here

[gusty stump]

entfolgen iirc

[bright pewter]

thanks 👍

[north thorn]

you're opening the flood gates for them with that

[stark ruin]

Nah they are just brain dead and gonna bring it up on their own anyways

[north thorn]

fair

[stark ruin]

We just mocking it.

[north thorn]

friend you are new, no one is forcing you to be here or do anything

[hard pivot]

I couldn't care less, I mean if you ban it you'll ban everything till you ban other LGBT supporters, finding stuff to be pissed about is only hurting you on the long run

[cold pollen]

the people who are far right nutters and the people defending twitter here happen to be a nearly perfect circle

[kindred hill]

I'm not even banning anyone for taking an academic stance. Just dumbass alt-right trolls.

[north thorn]

are you lgbt?

[lethal gorge]

I love when people talk about LGBT like it’s a football team lol

[hard pivot]

Yes

[kindred hill]

I've let people in here defend Twitter academically without reprisal bruh

[barren cove]

i think it's easy - i genuinely don't care whether the link ban goes through or not - but I will argue in faith of allowing discussion for both outcomes, and I will argue against banning people for defending the less popular point

however, i will not tolerate actual fascism or trans/homo/etcphobia

[stark ruin]

Guys! Mods are being do evil and authoritarian. (I HAD TO TYPE WOMEN AND NONBINARY BECAUSE THE MODS PUT THEIR HANDS ON MY KEYBOARD AND MADE ME)

/s

[north thorn]

then you should understand why lgbt people want to distance themselves from twitter

[hard pivot]

I'm just saying it's futile

[lethal gorge]

Nothing is futile

[glacial yarrow]

1 LGBT - homophobe twats 0

[hard pivot]

Want to fight the right and nazis? Play their game