fresh wraith
I'm running Linux Arch in KDE Plasma. When I click on terminal to open it I see it open briefly in the taskbar and then it goes away.
Sorry I am very new to Linux in general. With Windows 10 hitting EOL I finally decided to rip off the bandage and join the Linux side and now I feel like I've never used a computer before. It's been a struggle to get here but I'm working through it, but my terminal disappearing is not great.
high sandal
what terminal are u using?
did u just install KDE?
also welcome to the gnu/linux community
fresh wraith
Yes I did just install KDE
fresh wraith
did u just install KDE?
just the one that came with Arch/KDE. (idk which is responsible for the terminal)
pastel totem
send video please
high sandal
Yes I did just install KDE
probably u installed the plasma-shell but not konsole?
fresh wraith
Uhhh maybe
high sandal
do the following
open a tty
not in the graphic env
u know how right?
then log in and exec this
"pacman -Q | grep konsole"
see if it is present
fresh wraith
I do not know how but I can look it up
high sandal
ctr+alt+numbers in the upper row of ur kb
its used to open different terminal teletypes or tty
just to open more REAL terminal
what u are trying to open in KDE is not a terminal teletype, its just a terminal emulator
fresh wraith
numbers? or the f1-f6 that google is telling me?
high sandal
cause it emules
fresh wraith
will I be able to copy and paste when I'm in that or do I have to type that out by hand?
high sandal
probably u wont be able to but its simple as this
pacman -Q | grep konsole
konsole is the KDE terminal emulator
there are other ones but thats the default
fresh wraith
hmmmm how long should it take before I can type in that screen? because it's just blinking
high sandal
cause u need to log in
iur user
ur password
then u are logged in
as in sddm
but in a tty
if u dont see the login screen go to another tty
fresh wraith
doesn't appear it is installed because it says bash: konsole: command not found
fresh wraith
oh crap lol I forgot it
high sandal
sudo pacman -S konsole
this should fix it
now go to ur graphic env
pressing ttys until u hit the right one with ur KDE env
and try to open the terminal emulator from the taskbar as previously
fresh wraith
so when I did put in the grep it just went to the next line
high sandal
so when I did put in the grep it just went to the next line
thats because grep didnt found konsole
so it is not installed
pacman -Q lists all packages installed in ur system
this standard output is piped with | to the standard input of the grep command
and this command (grep) filters it to search for konsole word
do u get it?
so if konsole does not appear in red it is not installed
fresh wraith
Sounds simple in theory xD
high sandal
ik u will learn more of bash if u keep using arch
fresh wraith
Hmmm I installed it but terminal still closes
high sandal
try to relaunch ur kde env
there could be another issue but at least u fixed the main one
fresh wraith
is there a better way than just rebooting my PC?
also does it help to know that the terminal was working last night?
high sandal
when u boot up linux, does a graphical login screen show up?
fresh wraith
yes
fresh wraith
I used archinstall to install if that helps figure things out any. Lol I am really trying to be helpful xD
alrighty brb then
high sandal
I used archinstall to install if that helps figure things out any. Lol I am real...
my honest recomendation is to install arch manually
u will understand how things work in gnu/linux
its not easy the first time
but u will skip a lot of the learning process just by installing arch manually
cause u have to really understand what u are doing
also, archinstall sucks
high sandal
since u just installed arch i mean
if konsole works then ur terminal emulator is working
i think the main issue here is that u installed the bare plasma desktop
fresh wraith
that is possible. I'll be honest I'm in way over my head xD
high sandal
in arch and other minimal distros u can install just the barebones plasma shell, without the other recommended apps
if u are experienced this is recomendable to not bloat ur system with apps u wont use
but if u are starting this is not recomendable
for example u probably cannot change ur screen resolution from the plasma settings apps
cause there is a missing package
fresh wraith
is there a way to get the recommended apps easily or am I gonna have to install them all individually now?
high sandal
sudo pacman -S plasma
this will pull all the recommended and default apps from the KDE environment
such as the KDE document viewer, bluetooth manager etc
i highly recommend u to do this since u are not an expert
so start with all the apps, even if they are bloat to u
fresh wraith
doing it now 🙂
fresh wraith
And then will I need to restart after that?
high sandal
probably, u could just log out from KDE plasma and relaunch it but since u are using a display manager this is harder for u
experienced people tend to launch kde plasma manually from the shell
using startx or the waylandlauncher
so ur system becomes more modular, flexible and simple
the goal of arch
fresh wraith
should I do that?
high sandal
whatever u wont, its quite easy, ill explain this to u
launching ur kde from the shell involves the following benefits: no SDDM, so ur system startup takes up less RAM and less packages
sometimes, when u log in into linux u do not need a graphical env
i mean
imagine u just need to log in into ur ArchLinux to format some pendrive as exFAT
u do not need a graphical env cause its just one command
anyways is just a choice
most of the time u will log in into ur tty and launch kde plasma
fresh wraith
hmmm well terminal is still instantly closing even after rebooting xD
high sandal
wait didnt u say it was working?
fresh wraith
Konsole works
high sandal
so?
fresh wraith
Terminal doesn't
fresh wraith
lol trying to figure out how to, I was trying to figure out how to do it last night but that didn't seem to be working for me either xD
high sandal
send a pic of that "terminal" not working with ur phone or something please
i cant figure out wat do u mean by terminal
if ur konsole works then ur terminal emulator is working
high sandal
oh well
thats the terminal shortcut made by the plasma shell i thinl
go to that menu and type konsole
then enter to open it
if it opens ur terminal emulator is working
fresh wraith
yeah that one works
high sandal
then the problem is that u must tell plasma that the "terminal" shortcut must point to "konsole" which is ur terminal emulator
got it?
but ur terminal emulator is working
now cause u installed "plasma" u probably have seen that u have a lot of apps from the KDE env
fresh wraith
ohhh apparently it's gnome-terminal right now
fresh wraith
indeed it does!
high sandal
now cause u installed "plasma" u probably have seen that u have a lot of apps fr...
probably u wont use all of them but since u are starting on this leave them
fresh wraith
probably u wont use all of them but since u are starting on this leave them
I don't see any apps
high sandal
go to the kde menu
and scroll through the app list
for example the emoji selector i saw there is one of those apps
this is the list of packages u installed
oh mb u installed the general packages, for the kde applications u have this one called "kde-applications"
install it if u want the kde applications
the link is: https://archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/kde-applications
that install kde apps of all kind
fresh wraith
so maybe this is a dumb question but how do I install witht hat link? surely I don't click on each one individually?
high sandal
nono, the link is just for u to see what packages are inside the "kde-applications" group
fresh wraith
ahhh okay
high sandal
when u do sudo pacman -S kde-applications
pacman will resolve which apps are in that kde-applications group
its easir to view the group content from the arch website
so thats the link for u to see the apps that will be installed with that package
also this is the official website for the kde apps overview: https://apps.kde.org
fresh wraith
ohhh jeez now I have a bunch of options xD
high sandal
exactly
fresh wraith
Lol but I mean I don't know which ones to choose
high sandal
pic pls
fresh wraith
fresh wraith
for all of them?
high sandal
all of them are options
if u press enter it will choose the default
so just press enter
fresh wraith
but there are more after that
high sandal
enter enter enter XD
fresh wraith
Do I just want default for everything?
fresh wraith
uh oh I think I might have formatted my important hard drive while installing Arch x.x
high sandal
why?
fresh wraith
Lol I got confused
high sandal
did u have any backup?
fresh wraith
Wait a minute I'm missing a drive on here
high sandal
well, if there is anything i can help out just ping me
fresh wraith
I might do that if I can't figure out where my drives are but I'll try to find it first as to not waste your time
high sandal
i help on my free time so if u need help u just need to ask, use lsblk to see what disks and partitions are present in ur system
is a great command
u could also use lsblk -f
which also shows filesystem info
fresh wraith
There are these Lost and found folders that I cannot enter for some reason?
high sandal
those dirs are part of the EXT4 filesystem, removing it does not nuke ur system but there is no need to do it, just leave them, there should be one lost+found per ext4 fs
u should have it in /
high sandal
There are these Lost and found folders that I cannot enter for some reason?
restricted
fresh wraith
but even when I try as administrator it won't let me in
high sandal
u cannot use cd with sudo
u must be with the root user
cd is not a normal command
cd is a built in command
it is built-in in BASH
so its not a binary/normal command
high sandal
do u have 3 drives in ur computer?
fresh wraith
yes
high sandal
so ur disks are detected by the kernel and udev
in other words, ur disks are accesible
idk if u know how disk management work under linux
cause as u said u come from windows
fresh wraith
I do not. Lol I'm beginning to worry that my files are gone because I don't see them here xD
high sandal
ok they are probably not lost if u didnt nuke them
ill explain
in unix everything is a file, absolutely everything, even the disks and its partitions, so, since linux is unix-like in linux everything is also a file
ur disks are represented as special defined names
all disks and block devices are placed in the /dev/ directory
by udev( part of systemd)
anyways ik u are a beginner so i will not explode u with complex terms
fresh wraith
lol
high sandal
disks are named like /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc for example
and its partitions are named with a number
/dev/sda1 for the first partition and so on
so
how the fuck do u access them?
fresh wraith
Million dollar question
high sandal
u can u just click on them on dolphin to let dolphin mount them in a specific dir
or mount it manually
do u like gnu/linux world and want to get deeper into it? = ill teach u how to do it the hard way
u dont want to get deeper i nto it? = double click in dolphin
simple as that
fresh wraith
I mean I do programming so Linux is one of those skills I really should have picked up like 15 years ago. Better late than never I guess xD
high sandal
yep linux is great for programming cause its so modular and flexible
also gives u complete freedom with ur system
so
lets mount it the hard way
first
u need to check what do u want to mount
use lsblk -f
this will tell u the disks attached to ur pc, its partitions and what filesystem was found in that partition
i supose u already know what a filesystem is
high sandal
this will tell u the disks attached to ur pc, its partitions and what filesystem...
important, when u mount "disks" u are not really mounting the disk, u are mounting some partition inside that disk, not the disk itself
this partition can fill all the disk
but its not the disk
its a partition
fresh wraith
how do I take a screenshot of a section of the screen? in windows I used win+shift+s to bring up the snipping tool obviously not gonna work here 😛
high sandal
Impr pant
Just press that key
It will launch the kde screenshootee
U have bunch of options in it
fresh wraith
impr pant?
high sandal
Well mb im spanish
fresh wraith
ahh print screen
high sandal
Screen print or somrthing like that
high sandal
ahh print screen
Ye my bad
fresh wraith
high sandal
Well some thins i just saw
XD
Ur root partition is almost full
Apart from that
What partition do u want to access
As u can see second partition in sda is ntfs, and so on
fresh wraith
I don't know lol because I don't remember which physical drive it was on, I just knew it as my E: drive xD
fresh wraith
It actually might have been my C drive, it's not on the 8TB I know that much cause I can see everything on that drive already (I guess it's mounted)
high sandal
Yep it is mounted
U can see it on the right
Mountpoint
On linux filesystems are mounted on dirs, so for example if u have some /test dir in ur ext4 fs
And u mount an ntfs filesystem on /test the ntfs contents will appear on that dir
But they are not filling thr original ext4 fs
Idk if im explaining it good but well
fresh wraith
so do I have any that aren't mounted?
high sandal
Sda1 sdb1 and sdb3
fresh wraith
so I wanna say it's probably sdb3
high sandal
Cause they don thave mountpoint
fresh wraith
cause I think it was the 3rd partition on my second drive in windows
high sandal
Alright so first u need to find out what filesystem is in sdb3
To see if it can be mounted by linux
Lsblk -f does not seem to know it soo lets try to mount it
Sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt
Filesystems are commonly mounted on /mnt
fresh wraith
high sandal
Well what i expected
Probably that partition does not have a recognized filesystem
df -T command please
And send pic of it
Also file -s /dev/sdb3
fresh wraith
fresh wraith
high sandal
Well so sdb3 does not contain any recognized filesystem i think
fresh wraith
data... well I'm glad it knows that it's data and not a bowl of spaghetti xD
high sandal
XD, the file command examines the argument and seeks for what type of file it is
If u run it on a text file it will output if it is ASCII utf8 whatever
Its useful
So if sdb3 does not contain a filesystem u cant mount it
high sandal
Are u sure thats the right partition or if u did nuke it?
fresh wraith
No I am not sure I didn't nuke it
high sandal
that's not good xD
Yeah
high sandal
No I am not sure I didn't nuke it
So maybe u nuked the filesystem in it
fresh wraith
so is it just gone then? xD
high sandal
Depends on the harm level
high sandal
Its not the same nuking some parameter in the filesystem as filling the disk with zeroes XD
fresh wraith
that's the partition I meant to install Arch on I think
high sandal
Check the fstype in them here
fresh wraith
Lol I never had to really choose filesystem type in windows I just let it do it's thing xD
high sandal
Ye i imagine
fresh wraith
if I were to guess sdb1
high sandal
So do
fresh wraith
cause it's not mounted but seems to have a file type
high sandal
Sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
If it was ok and no errors where encountered go to /mnt and execute ls
See if the files are there
high sandal
cause it's not mounted but seems to have a file type
Its a fat32 filesystem
Vfat in linux means fat12, 16 or 32
Just to make it clear
high sandal
Type lsblk and make sure it is mounted
If sdb1 is mounted on /mnt and nothing appears then theres nothing on it xD
U could also try ls -a
To seek for files starting with .
fresh wraith
high sandal
In fact it is
fresh wraith
but it says it's only 1GB big so that can't be it
high sandal
So unmount it and guess another one
fresh wraith
I'm starting to think more and more my files might be gone x.x
high sandal
Sudo umount -v /mnt
high sandal
I'm starting to think more and more my files might be gone x.x
Idk much about that cause that was before u asked for help
fresh wraith
mnt target is busy
fresh wraith
ahhh okay
high sandal
Soo
Idk if u nuked ur disk
But if u nuked it and u dont have backup its time for the recovery try
fresh wraith
man I really botched this huh?
fresh wraith
I mean I really fucked this up huh? 😛
high sandal
Uhhh if u dont have any better guess, probably
XD
Maybe if u didnt throw a nuclear bomb into ur disk u could recover it
fresh wraith
lol
I really should have done this on a virtual machine to start
But I thought "ahhh naw I know what I'm doing"
high sandal
This was while installing linux right?
fresh wraith
yeah
high sandal
yeah
The worst part about this is that if u nuked it while installing linux u probably nuked the partition table
XD
And that makes it harder to recover
fresh wraith
They're not in the lost+found folders right? 😛
high sandal
I dont think so, that folder is used by the fsck command when checking the consistence of the ext4 fs
U could check it anyways but im quite sure they are not there
fresh wraith
I mean it won't let me access them
high sandal
Su - root
Type root password
Cd /lost+found
Ls
Probably there is nothing inside it
When finished type exit then enter to fall back to ur previous user
fresh wraith
yeah nothing in there
high sandal
As i said
Soo
My last bet is recommending u to try the testdisk utility
I was able to recover an exfat fs with that
But i didnt nuke thw whole disk so
Idk if it will work for u
But u dont loose anything trying
fresh wraith
okay and how do I do that?
high sandal
Sudo pacman -S testdisk
oblique path
ok can you guys summarise what's going on I get the problem but this is routing somewhere else, I mean in depth
high sandal
Well, he installed arch, first time in gnu/linux world, he thinks he nuked his important drive, but his main issue was that his terminal didnt work
His terminal is fixed
I helped him
We are now talking about if he nuked or not his disk and how to recover it if he did
fresh wraith
Lol basically I'm a dummy who might have formatted my disk when installing arch xD
high sandal
(He used archinstall) ik uk what im talking abt @oblique path
fresh wraith
I mean if my files are all gone I will probably just reformat everything and start fresh. The only reason I didn't was because I had a bunch of stuff I wanted to save xD
high sandal
I mean if my files are all gone I will probably just reformat everything and sta...
As i was saying, give a try to testdisk
U could have luck
fresh wraith
I downloaded it
fresh wraith
okay and am I creating a new log file?
oblique path
I mean if my files are all gone I will probably just reformat everything and sta...
you can still save it though, did you delete all the stuff
high sandal
okay and am I creating a new log file?
It could be good
But i cant give much help with testdisk cause im not an expert with it
But its good for recovery
Anyways
Before proceeding
Make a backup of the broken partition
So if u nuke it more everythings is not lost
fresh wraith
but I don't even know which partition it is x.x
fresh wraith
lol I mean how do I create a backup of the broken partition if I don't know which one is broken?
high sandal
you can still save it though, did you delete all the stuff
I think he just nuked the filesystem header cause lsblk, file and df commands cant find any valid filesystem
But im not quite sure
high sandal
lol I mean how do I create a backup of the broken partition if I don't know whic...
Ik man thats the problem
Anyways try this
Sudo blkid /dev/sdb3
Send output pls
fresh wraith
oblique path
I think he just nuked the filesystem header cause lsblk, file and df commands ca...
then ddrescue should be good option
high sandal
then ddrescue should be good option
Yep its also good
As u can see in the picture he just sent blkid also does not even recognize some uuid
It only has the common partition uuid
Given by the gpt partition table
Its some kind of blank region
fresh wraith
so should I get ddrescue then?
high sandal
Yep u could give it a try to see if it finds something
oblique path
If there is really something useful to you in that partition then it's worth the effort otherwise it's wise to reinstall manually ( I recommend)
fresh wraith
well now I'm even more confused x.x
high sandal
Ye take in mind he is starting on linux
fresh wraith
lol I have no idea what I should be doing now
high sandal
I would go to testdisk or ddrescue if u are sure u nuked it
high sandal
Ms data means microsoft data
high sandal
XD
fresh wraith
it says D though so it's deleted?
high sandal
It could
Im not sure about that so
The only thing i can say is that testdisk is way useful
fresh wraith
Lol I'm afraid to do anything in case I make it unrecoverable
high sandal
Lol I'm afraid to do anything in case I make it unrecoverable
Thats why i told u to make a backup of the fucked disk
If u fuck it morr
U could always go back
fresh wraith
but I wasn't sure which one it was. now I know which one
high sandal
So make a raw copy of it
fresh wraith
although that other screen says the following partion cannot be recovered
high sandal
I cant help much with testdisk as i said cause i used it long ago
fresh wraith
how do I make a copy of it?
high sandal
Ill tell u if i can do something more for u in a min
fresh wraith
kk
fresh wraith
it's /dev/sdb
high sandal
Sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=~/disk.raw status=progress conv=sync,noerror
This will generate a file called disk.raw of the same size as the disk
Take care cause if ur disk to backup is 1tb long and ur target disk does not have 1tb free u wont be able to save it
dd copy byte per byte, it reads byte from if= and send them to =of
high sandal
No worry
It wont affect much
Those conv paramaters are used to skip bad sectors if there are any in ur disk
fresh wraith
I also hope that there is space, lol I don't know where it's trying to save this file to
fresh wraith
hmmm but didn't you say that was already almost full?
nvm we should be fine
uh oh we aren't gonna be fine... it's 931GB
should I cancel it?
high sandal
hmmm but didn't you say that was already almost full?
That is ur root partition
Not the home one
U created separate partition XD
high sandal
uh oh we aren't gonna be fine... it's 931GB
If it does not fit in u should
fresh wraith
so I need to direct it to my bigger drive then I assume?
high sandal
U created separate partition XD
Archinstall made kind of a disaster in ur system
high sandal
so I need to direct it to my bigger drive then I assume?
U need to redirect it to some place able to store it
It can be a long filesystem
Some partitions in ur disk
Somewhere
Anyways, are the files in there worth it?
Cause it will be a long and hard process if u make to recover it
U need to ask urself if it is worth the effort
Windows creates 3 partition
Microsoft reserved data, u dont want that
And efi system partition, u also do not want that
U only want ur main one
Did u have enough important things there
?
fresh wraith
Lol yes
high sandal
Then u must know it wont be easy to recover
Also from linux
Cause windows uses ntfs and ntfs is propietary so all the drivers available in linux for ntfs are just reverse-engineering
fresh wraith
is this the right command?
high sandal
No
U mustnt type ~ there
Cause /run... is an absolute path
Not a relative one
So remove all the ~
Then it is correct
fresh wraith
fixed?
fresh wraith
yeah my 8TB drive
high sandal
Ye it seems
Good then
After that u will have an exact clone of the bad disk
So if u fuck it recovering u could do the same dd command reversing the arguments
Passing as input the disk.raw and as output ur bad disk
So u will start again from zero
That gives u some kind of infinity of tries to recover it
fresh wraith
high sandal
Dont know if im saying it wwll
Well directories with spaces are handled different on linux
Use the tab key
high sandal
Well directories with spaces are handled different on linux
If u write spaces in paths the command will get two different arguments
U dont want that
fresh wraith
alrighty well it's probably gonna take a while to copy x.x
fresh wraith
you mind if I add you as a friend on discord so I can message you when it's done?
If you're even awake at that time xD
high sandal
Ye why not
fresh wraith
Because I don't want to be a pest 😛
high sandal
No worry
fresh wraith
No worry
I stepped away and my computer went to sleep but I don't know how to wake it up x.x
high sandal
XD
Pressing the power button or moving the mouse or something?
Idk cause i hate sleep/hibernate/etc options
fresh wraith
I tried those
fresh wraith
Lol I meant to turn it off but forgot
high sandal
So maybe u will need to start again with it
fresh wraith
lol yeah I do x.x
turned it off this time though
now I need to remember how I mounted those in the first place xD
hmmm it shows that it's supposed to automount but it didn't and when I try right clicking and clicking mount it says I'm not authorized xD
I figured out the authorisation thing, it was on asking for it on my monitor that was turned off
But now I'm having this issue xD
fresh wraith
Okay I solved that now I am back to this transfering thing
great now the tab isn't filling in the fields
okay it was because it was now in /mnt/ instead of w/e it was before
Why is it going so slow this time though? It feels like it was going faster before
it's going to take over 21 hours based on some napkin math
high sandal
hmmm dd operations on large disks are slow
cause its literally cloning the disk
about performance decrease my only tought is about disk internal behavior
note that i helped u with the terminal, im trying to give out the best of me but im not an expert on data recovery, less on windows propiertary filesystem
fresh wraith
Yeah I appreciate the help. Lol 300gb down 600gb more to go x.x
