Everything wrong with this server. A rant

[faint chasm]

i threw the suggestion in because people were questionable before, yes

[rancid wave]

Yea 🔥

[viral gull]

keep the slowmode at like 1sec or so just in case it gets heated again

[robust flame]

also let's not pretend that we just completely ignored everything kaizen said and then banned them for speaking out

[rancid wave]

Yea

[robust flame]

as a direct result of this thread I've been given the power needed and full permission to start working on fixing the lack of moderation

[lavish geyser]

kaizen made good suggestions, but he became very rude

yooo

[rancid wave]

Kaizen was rude tbh but probably bc he was frustrated

[robust flame]

and anna clarified that not everything needs to be run by her before being put into effect

[rancid wave]

So admins can do everything that Anna can?

[robust flame]

no we didn't completely turn the server upside down instantly, and I feel like expecting that is a bit unreasonable.

[robust flame]

effectively yes

[rancid wave]

Are there other admins then just you?

[robust flame]

yes, but they're not currently very active.

[rancid wave]

Or are they just not active

[lofty agate]

yakforms

[cold quarry]

Why the fuck not? It's called "user's responsibility"
I refuse to add that kind of idiotproofing

[pastel atlas]

the command is called ban

it bans ppl

[cold quarry]

You know, that might be indicative of bad team in general, where that stems from I can not tell you, but from my experience owners and admins are more than happy to discuss, brainstorm solutions, and then implement them.

[lavish geyser]

i think there should at least be a protection against banning yourself

[pastel atlas]

g0d d4mn thats kinda a good point

[lavish geyser]

could be optional

[cold quarry]

If they're unwilling to do the discussing and just say "ask admin" then you know... that's a problem.

[fiery dawn]

Does PluralKit/Webhooks support replies?

[cloud iron]

or is there a reason why pluralkit replies like this

carnivorecookies ↩️

[Reply to:](#1171996035967619154 message) Does PluralKit/Webhooks support replies?

[quick mango]

it should at least have a warning imo

[cloud iron]

because this can get REALLY spammy

vegetarianbiscuits ↩️

[Reply to:](#1171996035967619154 message) or is there a reason why pluralkit replies like this 📎

[lofty agate]

that wouldn't fix it when vegan accidently bans me

[cloud iron]

as you can tell

[cold quarry]

Why, again, I ask why? How the fuck do you achieve typing !ban followed by @myname by accident?

[lavish geyser]

user ids

is what is commonly used here

[cold quarry]

I've seen only instances where people were trying to be funny and banned themselves, but that wasn't accidental.

[lavish geyser]

and sometimes you can copy the wrong one

[cold quarry]

Yeah, so do I, everyone should use IDs, again, how do you copy wrong one?

[lavish geyser]

rare but it happens, and shouldnt really be a behavior which exists

[cold quarry]

Well, code's there go create a PR

[quick mango]

because mods use IDs

[cold quarry]

But I refuse to do that, natural selection, ban yourself if you want

[lavish geyser]

alrighty ill make a pr then

Valkyrja.discord?

[cold quarry]

(mods don't know their own ID from others at a glance?)

[slim nymph]

probably it isn't possible to implement regular replies or something?

[lavish geyser]

it isnt iirc

[fiery dawn]

thats what i presumed

i didnt know tho

was just double checking

[lavish geyser]

i remember when replies were introduced

going from quoting to replies was revolutionary

[cold quarry]

Replies are a thing for bots, but I think you're talking about webhooks?

[quick mango]

I know mine starts by one
and no most people don't

[slim nymph]

👵 back in my day

[lavish geyser]

webhooks

[tame sun]

what happened here..

[slate marlin]

I just clicked on the wrong bit on my phone when Blueberry started being naughty and trying to kill herself

didn't help that I had only woken up a short time before I did it after a broken nap

[viral gull]

https://discord.gg/A5zVe9V6

reposting

inb4 ban lol

[lavish geyser]

bruh

[robust flame]

you were always allowed to do that

[quick mango]

please...

[slim nymph]

is that the international space station?

[rancid wave]

Can you please not. It's useless

[rancid wave]

Iss?

[slim nymph]

like in the server icon

[tame sun]

I'd rather see this place fix it's flaws more than just making a fork of this server

[robust flame]

stop acting like we're going to immediately ban people over them trying to split off

[rancid wave]

Yea

[tame sun]

But to each their own

[robust flame]

the only time that enters the question is if the server is being used to violate our content policy, ie don't link servers that aren't appropriate for a 13+ audience, or it's being used to harrass people here

[slim nymph]

???

[cold quarry]

Probably wanna do something like if( bannedBy != null ) users = users.Where(u => u.Id != bannedBy.Id);
https://github.com/ValkyrjaProject/Valkyrja.discord/blob/master/Modules/Moderation.cs#L1479

[tame sun]

Maybe lets not speak of them?

[lavish geyser]

allrighty

[fiery dawn]

oh mb I forgot theyre the voldemort of this server, will delete

[cold quarry]

Dumbest hack I can come up with :p

[lavish geyser]

alrighty

[cold quarry]

(I don't wanna mess with my branches right now... to be honest ;p but also natural selection!!!)

[tame sun]

Will there be a list of people who are nominated by staff shown to the public?

[slate marlin]

😭

[cold quarry]

[lavish geyser]

this is probably shit code since i suck at c# but hopefully it works:

if( bannedBy != null && users.Any(u => u.UserId == bannedBy.Id) )
                return BanSelfString;

[cold quarry]

You know this was a well known thing and everyone finds it funny when it happens. So far it never caused any serious issues but I can see how it could be a problem if you're the only one "on duty" and have a problem to deal with and you ban yourself

[fiery dawn]

you are overusing blobrofl please refrain /j

[slim nymph]

why are you banning yourself why are you banning yourself
- the rulebreakers

[wet wing]

going from quoting to replies was revolutionary
@lavish geyser i refused to use them as a joke

[cold quarry]

/commands coming btw, sooner than later.

[slate marlin]

the real issue is that until now I didn't rejoin, because low energy, in a way banning myself was actually a good thing, because everything just had been, too much

[lavish geyser]

nice

[tame sun]

Are you atleast doing better?

[cold quarry]

Together with... well... I don't actually know, but I need to update the core framework cuz I wanna use it for a project for a nonprofit, so Valkyrja will benefit from it as well.

[slate marlin]

nope

[tame sun]

Sorry to hear :(

[slate marlin]

hopefully that will stop me from doing this:

[cold quarry]

Ban wasn't long enough?

[slate marlin]

I'm gonna bounce now, been nice chatting to y'all, and thank you for not attacking me during my brief return, and thanks @slim nymph for giving me hu. Hopefully in a few days I will be feeling better from the covid.

[rocky turret]

fjorge received a thank you cookie!

[robust flame]

!bam 183577215324258304 30d go recover in peace vegan stg

[slim nymph]

get well soon

[fiery dawn]

^

[tame sun]

You got covid? Sheesh.. I only wish for a swift recovery and for things to improve for you

[cold quarry]

You have to be like:
I was testing the bot for Rhea.

[rancid wave]

'

[fiery dawn]

vegan you are epic and kewl, hope you get better, physically and mentally from covid

[tame sun]

^

[cold quarry]

proceeds to self ban again
Oh well.

[tame sun]

and they're gone

darn

[fiery dawn]

oh

damn ok

well

hopefully he gets better

[tame sun]

agreed

[lavish geyser]

cya vc

ill miss ya

[fiery dawn]

VC is epic ngl

[tame sun]

He's my favorite staff member ngl

[fiery dawn]

like even apart from moderation he epic asf

[fiery dawn]

true!

idk how people hate him

just dont break the rules..?

[lavish geyser]

yep

[fiery dawn]

wait that gives me an idea

[tame sun]

It ain't that hard to not break the rules 😭

[fiery dawn]

hold on im gonna make a post for this

[rancid wave]

Oh shut the fuck up you dumb ****** ****** ***** **** (insert nsfw)

[tame sun]

the shit I deal with in the MSI server is nothing compared to here

[fiery dawn]

https://discord.com/channels/399812551963049995/1172265184832790568

[unkempt crow]

probably off topic but I don't think kaizen should've been perma'd. i get his frustrations, and also understand why he was banned, but permanently? ehhhh

[cloud iron]

that last one is completely just petty ngl

vegancookies ↩️

[Reply to:](#1171996035967619154 message) hopefully that will stop me from doing this: 📎

i honestly dont like this thread because this server means a lot to me and yeah

but like

.> has something in their bio the mods dont want, an encroachment of personal space but understandable since creating safe environments is important
> leaves to keep rules in place while staying in comfort with their own profile
> gets banned for leaving which doesnt really matter at all since they literally left

[viral gull]

fr

[rancid wave]

They were gonna ban them for something in their bio? That's totally outside the server

[lofty agate]

so if someone had some extremely racist stuff in their bio or linked to a cp discord channel we just wont do anything because its "totally outside the server"?? thats just not how it works

[rancid wave]

Well obviously for that stuff. I don't know the context for what they were talking about though

[lofty agate]

im using an extreme example to demonstrate how feeble the core premise of your argument was

bio and profile has to follow server rules

its that simple

[ivory trellis]

The bio is basically a permanent message that follows the user anywhere they go. It should be moderated as such.

And moderators can’t override it like they (probably) can with nicknames, or deleting a message.

[dense gate]

This is the only server I'm in that's had a gore problem
As someone semi-active, #tech-general often gets really busy and heated with low quality discussions

[ivory trellis]

I’ve personally never seen gore here but I may be the minority

But yea #tech-general is often a mess.

[robust flame]

The gore problem is because of transphobic trolls mainly afaict

[dense gate]

trolls come here because the members react so poorly

also tbh i dont think members should have access to most of the bot commands

they are pretty much just used as spam (imo)

[ivory trellis]

You mean the qbot notes?

[dense gate]

yeah qbot should be disabled

[ivory trellis]

Some of the commonly used ones could come off as a bit aggressive to a new user as well

[dense gate]

its used for either "why you shouldnt use manjaro" or some meme poll

[slim nymph]

oh I entirely agree

I hate those

server modules when

[plush karma]

i specifically removed server modules

[viral gull]

@slim nymph @robust flame @lofty agate kaizen ended trying to fork this server
https://discord.com/invite/allthingslinux

@lavish geyser

As a way to rant even more beyond your powers

Part of the convo was happening on #tech-general

[faint chasm]

the topic already ended though

[lavish geyser]

we are aware

[viral gull]

Yes, but just letting em know

[lavish geyser]

i think the server is banned from sending here since Ashley is there

[viral gull]

Well, staff should know what to do to prevent user migration and such

Tho I think this server will survive if properly managed

[faint chasm]

why would user migration be a problem

the entire thing was created out of being upset they were rightfully banned

[viral gull]

My experience can tell

[lavish geyser]

the only issue I have with this server is scummy tactics such as dm advertising

[faint chasm]

this is not like a mc forge situation, where the entire project left except for the one person being a problem

[viral gull]

Tho in the spirit of open source, they do have the right to make their own projects

[faint chasm]

more of a situation that people couldn't get away with shit

[robust flame]

I am aware, he is allowed to do that and I am keeping things diplomatic between us.

[viral gull]

Yup. So you may like to debate about the thing

[viral gull]

Thanks. As I just noticed the topic going on.

[rocky turret]

𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓃ℴ𝓈, 𝒯𝒽ℯ ℛ𝒾𝓏𝓏𝓂𝒶𝓈𝓉ℯ𝓇 received a thank you cookie!

[robust flame]

he's not justt made that server because he was upset over the ban. he made it because he doesn't like the direction this server was headed and wanted to try and make a similar space with less issues.

[viral gull]

I already have the experience of things like this happening or when the fork server tries to kill the parent server. Hope this isn't the case

[lavish geyser]

controversial but I don't think the server will last if they are dm advertising

[viral gull]

As long their server is not a clone of this one and different management/direction, I'm fine with it.

[lavish geyser]

inevitably someone will report them for dm advertising then it's joever

[robust flame]

yeah they do need to cut that out

[lavish geyser]

was Ashley ever banned from there

[robust flame]

apparently not

[viral gull]

That's my issue with it. The way they try to get people in

Feels like MS tactics

[robust flame]

i'll discussthat issue in private with them.

[viral gull]

Like, EEE

[faint chasm]

what even is EEE

[lavish geyser]

i dmed them and they did nothing

[reef forge]

Yes she was from here.

[faint chasm]

sounded like you were trying to say EA but locked on E

[lavish geyser]

ok

[viral gull]

Embrace, extend, extinguish

[reef forge]

Oh you mean there, not here.

[lavish geyser]

ah

[viral gull]

Classic MS tactics

[reef forge]

Why would she be banned in other servers for stuff she did here ?

[lavish geyser]

if it's being advertised here

[viral gull]

Embrace the users, extend the things the OG server wasn't doing, extinguish the OG server

[reef forge]

I mean her server sucks (to not mention the specific issue), but that's not automatically the matter of the other servers she's in.

[faint chasm]

never really heard of that happening

only with project forks

[lavish geyser]

Ashley is a creep so

[viral gull]

Trust me, it has happened several times on discord

[faint chasm]

do i want to know who ashley was when they are being mentioned so often here

[viral gull]

We had this issue back when I was a server admin somewhere else

[faint chasm]

or does the information of them being a creep suffice

[reef forge]

I know what you're saying this but it hurts because I still remember the good times with her here.

sigh

[viral gull]

That's why I think you should keep an eye on Kaizen's project

[reef forge]

Some things are better left buried.

[faint chasm]

fair enough

[reef forge]

I don't like to think about her.

[lavish geyser]

we kind of are

[viral gull]

So what you think

Nvm

[reef forge]

Probably partially because I still feel guilty over what happened, despite it not being actually my fault at all in any way even partially.

[lavish geyser]

i think personally unless ashley gets removed i dont think it should be allowed here

[viral gull]

Same, I don't want the situation to turn into EEE

Servers on discord are kind of a project like GitHub so

[lavish geyser]

@viral gull might be interested in this convo

[reef forge]

The only time I ever thought about making an "alternative" to this server was for a Minecraft server with the community here.

But my other group of online friends is currently on it.

[lofty agate]

I'm advising him so hopefully it'll go fine

And I'm gonna talk to him about Ashley

[viral gull]

Or most of the users involved on this thread and similar

[reef forge]

I suppose you don't want her linking her server in a server that gets linked here ?

[viral gull]

Same. I don't want an EEE situation or a rip-off fork/clone of this server but different people running it

Would like em to run their complete original server project around Linux systems

[reef forge]

Can he really do anything about Ashley though, as long as she behaves ?

[lavish geyser]

that and just her being there poses a risk

[viral gull]

So I did join that place but to keep an eye on it. Not because I want to stay there.

[lavish geyser]

ironically i think thats why most people are there

[viral gull]

I would rather fix this server than joining another

[reef forge]

Plus it's double painful to hear about Ashley because the situation with her reminds me of another person I was... not nicely involved with in the Roblox community.
Only for me to later find out he was involved in a "bad" server with "flaws" similar to Ashley's.

[viral gull]

Idk who this Ashley is and how it's related to kaizen

[lavish geyser]

%whois 396571938081865741

[rocky turret]

@viral gull: 736483839676776459 | lunelovehearn#0000
Account created at: 2020-07-25_07:23:50 UTC
Joined the server: 2021-04-16_12:20:51 UTC
Roles: @-everyone, not actually the owner, color18 [c], he/him, support access and any pronouns
9 known usernames: KoizumiYakumo, Lune, Lune Lovehearn, LuneLovehearn and YakumoKoizumi (to see them all use names <userid or mention>)
84 known nicknames: 🥤✙Lune ✦ ☯, 🌹✙Lune ✦ 🌙, 🌹✙Mad Lūnë ✦ 🌙, 🎄The art of Cope 🤯 and 🎄The art of Hope 🥤 (to see them all use names <userid or mention>)
They have 8 warnings, with these notes:
1) 2021-02-06: shitposting in #off-topic
2) 2021-05-17: posting dangerous commands in home
3) 2021-08-13: Misguides non-Arch users into #arch-support for non-Arch support, deletes the said incriminating message afterwards - #general-log message
4) 2022-09-03: Muted for 100 days
5) 2022-09-13: Muted for 100 days
6) 2022-09-18: Muted for 1 day with reason: giffing in linux
7) 2022-09-18: rule breaking in an intentional and calm manner
8) 2023-05-08: even in a voice chat context, do not make nsfw jokes in this server, as per 398

@vital pewter: 396571938081865741
Account created at: 2017-12-30_07:55:17 UTC
Banned until: 9999-12-31_23:59:59 UTC
4 known usernames: Ashley~, Ashley143, AshleyFSF and Ashleу
25 known nicknames: Richard Stallwoman, Xorg Simp, Xorg Simp [Ashley], Xorg, KDE & GNU Simp [Ashley] and Ziv (to see them all use names <userid or mention>)
They have 7 warnings, with these notes:
1) 2022-09-19: please don't post reaction gifs/memes/images in #tech-general , please read the pin in linux/ #info-rules for more information -vcookies
2) 2022-09-25: Muted for 100 days with reason: toxic behaviour

[rocky turret]

3) 2022-10-17: agrees not to reaction gif/meme in linux
4) 2022-12-25: Muted for 100 days with reason: nsfw rule evasion
5) 2023-01-17: Muted for 100 days with reason: #tech-general is not #off-topic
6) 2023-02-08: Muted for 100 days with reason: nsfw
7) 2023-03-05: Banned permanently with reason: sharing invites to a server they own nsfw content, including very explicit pictures

[lavish geyser]

whyd it whois you lmao

Banned permanently with reason: sharing invites to a server they own nsfw content, including very explicit pictures

(this is the tip of the iceberg, theres a lot more than it looks)

[lofty agate]

If you whois in a reply It Whois's them

[lavish geyser]

ah

[faint chasm]

why does Richard Stallwoman sound so funny lmao

[reef forge]

Honestly, I think I should one day open up to someone about what happened, but at the same time I want to leave it buried and pretend it never happened.

[faint chasm]

personal recommendation is to do that with a professional

[lofty agate]

@robust flame @lavish geyser

[robust flame]

saying nsfw content makes it seem a lot lighter than it actually was

[lavish geyser]

indeed

[robust flame]

she literally let a known pedophile hang out in a server full of minors

but i'll leave it at that

[reef forge]

I get I sound edgy and all but I'm really conflicted about talking about it.
Especially since it has dirt about a long-time friend of mine.

[faint chasm]

it's fine dude, my only couple cents are to speak about it with a professional you trust imo

[lofty agate]

She is gone from kaizens server now

[lavish geyser]

ok

[reef forge]

Probably.
The fact I sometimes remember it in unrelated situations isn't a good sign about mental health.
That and the fact I once had an overnight panic attack over it.

Sorry if I'm being really cryptic.

[faint chasm]

it's fine

[reef forge]

At least the main guy who caused me all these troubles I'm thinking about has much improved his behavior since.

[lavish geyser]

read chat before

tldr; dof kz s catb (at)

[reef forge]

On the good side of things, I can at least confirm Celeste's panic attack scene accuracy.

[lavish geyser]

ATL server discussion leading to ashley being banned (about time)

[viral gull]

?

[lavish geyser]

thats ashleys id

[viral gull]

But it pinged me

[lavish geyser]

since i replied

[faint chasm]

Why do you have 84 known nicknames

[lavish geyser]

experiment

[viral gull]

Why not
Also changing moods

Anyways, hope the kaizen situation ends well and not EEE

[lavish geyser]

whar

[viral gull]

just what I said

also bro doesn't like to be confronted

when asking why I get spammed with invite links to that server

[viral gull]

just did

got my reasons to

just noticed it. feels like linux discord server

just did

I did what I had to do, resulting on messages being deleted

already confronted them, can do a formal issue if I want

idk how

[foggy vector]

my brother in christ it's a fucking unofficial discord server dedicated to a linux distro not a Government with it's own internal operations

go take a walk outside or smth

tbh after reading your proposition I retract my previous statement you make some really good points

[fiery dawn]

because its impossible to change or alter rules/plans 🤯

doesnt do what you want
complains
does what you want
"how dare he do what we asked for"

qhar ❓

[faint chasm]

The point was that kaizen mainly advertised that way

The post by him could be interpreted that others were doing it instead

[fiery dawn]

meh fair enough

[lofty agate]

it could be possible that kaizen thought whoever he was sending it to was a friend and not just random unsolicited advertising

like "hey friend i made a server you should join"

[tame sun]

lmfao this actually made me laugh

[viral gull]

Also hides the evidence by deleting messages on the server, tho server audit doesn't
Doesn't like to be confronted with facts and so on.
My only issue with em is the way the advertised and the channel names being a poor clone of this server ones

[viral gull]

And that's why they are wrong. It's not like when I asked for an invite. That's different.

[viral gull]

Who you're talking to

[foggy vector]

am i missing a part of the story

[foggy vector]

sorry my schizophrenia is acting up

[lofty agate]

if i made a server and wanted my friend in it i would send the link to them and ask them to join, i would't wait for them to ask for an invite.

[viral gull]

I prefer to ask for an invite as that isn't spamming or something

Buy you're gently asking to join

[lavish geyser]

assuming that basically every single member of a entire server you have even talked to at least once is your friend is overkill

[lofty agate]

im talking under the assumption that they are truly friends

i was not saying that this is what actully happened

but theoretically if i made a server i would invite my good friend in dms

without them asking about the server

[lofty agate]

but yeah any of the members mass dming people theyve only had light interaction with i completely condemn

[fiery dawn]

i agree that the deletion is stupid, but respectfully thats not what I was referring to

[kind spindle]

I don't get most of this rant

[viral gull]

same as not liking to be confronted with facts, instead of engaging on constructive debate

[pastel atlas]

This has turned into everything wrong with another server

This thread is worn the hell out

Frrrr

[viral gull]

topic is dead already. move on