setting up graphics and audio...

[civic jolt]

Hello, I'm trying to set up my audio, and so far, I can't produce any sound. During my plasma-desktop install, I was asked to download a few audio packages (all I remember so far is jack2 and pipewire). Afaik, that's all I have

As for graphics, afaik all I have is the xorg package, the 3 proprietary nvidia drivers, and kernel-headers installed. I'm trying to follow the wiki for how to set this up, but it's a little confusing for me. Thanks in advance for your guy's help.

[heady bone]

Have you enabled the relevant services?

systemctl --user status pipewire-pulse.service pipewire.service

[civic jolt]

probably not

says it cant be found let me send ss

[heady bone]

ls /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants

[civic jolt]

p11-kit-server.socket pipewire.socket

[heady bone]

You also need pipewire-pulse

sudo pacman -S --noconfirm pipwire-pulse

[civic jolt]

is it expected for that to not be apart of the plasma desktop package?

seems a little weird

ik u said u dont do plasma but just from a DE standpoint

[heady bone]

I said no such thing.

[civic jolt]

oh my bad then

[heady bone]

plasma-desktop is bare minimum

pipewire-pulse provides pulseaudio

But none of them are in any package group.

[civic jolt]

I see. I was prompted to chose between pulseaudio and an alternative. I went with that one

[heady bone]

As you have used pipewire-jack and already have pipewire installed, I recommend using pipewire-pulse.

You should be able to play audio after installing pipewire-pulse.

[civic jolt]

right and after I enable the services?

oh well it says the preset is enabled

[heady bone]

As the package's .install script automatically enables the socket activation of the pipewire-pulse user service

Many packages have install scripts, you can view them like this

cat /var/lib/pacman/local/pipewire-pulse-1:0.3.77-2/install

[civic jolt]

when I run the command u first sent it said the presets were enabled but the service is disabled

[heady bone]

Or use pacscripts from the `pacman-contrib' package.

pacscripts pipewire-pulse

[heady bone]

Look for Active:

[civic jolt]

both say dead

[heady bone]

Because the install script only enables socket activation by default

[heady bone]

Can you post the output?

[civic jolt]

yep

if it helps I can get some more software (i.e: discord/fireshot) to make it more legible now that im no longer bound to shell

[heady bone]

You can use ix.io

<command> | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io

In this example, the output of <command> is piped to this website,.

[civic jolt]

right, I see

[heady bone]

systemctl --user start pipewire pipewire-pulse

[civic jolt]

is there a way I can alias this command so all I need to do is fill in <command> as my parameter?

[heady bone]

alias ixio="curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io"
<command> | ixio

[civic jolt]

could I add the | too or do I not want that?

[heady bone]

It is a bad idea

[civic jolt]

ill take ur word for it but just so I see the trees within the forest, why?

[heady bone]

What kind of perspective do you want to have?

[civic jolt]

both

[heady bone]

Because pipe at the beginning of an alias doesn't work

[civic jolt]

oh I see

echo -e '\a' is supposed to play a noise right?

[heady bone]

And it is also logically ambiguous

[civic jolt]

fair enough

[heady bone]

Some terminals have a default bell disabled

[civic jolt]

damn

honestly i dont even know how to change my volume so that could be it too

my volume dial is broken so I always had it remapped on synapse (proprietary peripherals software)

[heady bone]

What is you pipewire session manager?

pacman -Q pipewire-session-manager

[civic jolt]

sorry to not be helpful on this but idk, either none of whatever options kde gave

[civic jolt]

alr 1 sec

im gonna get screenshots up and running too

@heady bone

[heady bone]

You can use wpctl to change the volume,
exempli gratia

# Increase the volume by 10% and limit the maximum volume to 120%.
wpctl set-volume @DEFAULT_AUDIO_SINK@ 10%+ -l 1.2
# Reduce the volume by 10%.
wpctl set-volume @DEFAULT_AUDIO_SINK@ 10%-

You can map these commands to custom keys

[civic jolt]

alr cool

[heady bone]

Try to enjoy the voice from above instead

ffplay -f f32le  /dev/urandom

[civic jolt]

nah doesnt work

let me send a ss in case i did something dumb

[heady bone]

Sorry, I placed my comment in the middle of the command

[civic jolt]

yeah no worries, just sent it for completeness

[heady bone]

However, it is obvious that the wpctl set-volume @DEFAULT_AUDIO_SINK@ 10%- is a single command.

There is no line break in it

[civic jolt]

yeah idk I assumed it was some special variable you could just reference whereever u wanted

[heady bone]

@DEFAULT_AUDIO_SINK@ is a special value for wpctl

Obviously this means the default audio output

[civic jolt]

right

yeah so no oputput still

not sure how I can check which processes are running

[heady bone]

If you mean no audio output, can you check the output of pactl info?

alias ixio="curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io"
pactl info | ixio

[civic jolt]

nah the video shows (lots of noise), no audio

[heady bone]

Typo, I mean audio*

[civic jolt]

okie dokie

it says ixio command wasnt found but I just aliased it a few minutes ago

[heady bone]

Also make sure that you have installed the pipewire-alsa.

[heady bone]

The alias is only valid in the current shell.

[civic jolt]

ah I see

[heady bone]

If you want to alias it permanently, put the alias command in bashrc

[civic jolt]

how do u know I have an alsa client?

[heady bone]

Actually it provides the pulseaudio-alsa target

pacman -Q pulseaudio-alsa

[civic jolt]

ix.io/4DvH

[civic jolt]

nothing

[heady bone]

sudo pacman -S --noconfirm pipewire-alsa

[civic jolt]

okie dokie

done

@heady bonedo I try to change the volume again?

[heady bone]

^

[civic jolt]

no volume

[heady bone]

Can you test with a real audio file instead?

[civic jolt]

yeah ima find one

[civic jolt]

yeah no volume on a video on discord

[heady bone]

wpctl status | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
wpctl inspect @DEFAULT_AUDIO_SINK@ | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io

[civic jolt]

http://ix.io/4DvL
http://ix.io/4DvM

[heady bone]

Why is your default sink * 62. Blue Microphones Analog Stereo

[civic jolt]

[heady bone]

I don't think the microphone is an output

[civic jolt]

oh, it can

[heady bone]

wpctl set-default 61

[civic jolt]

there's a 3.5 jack where I hear myself as its spoken through the mic

ok got it, does my source need to be changed too?

[heady bone]

Also check that the device is physically switched on and that the volume is set to the correct level.

[civic jolt]

yeah it is

i checked earlier

it works on windows

[civic jolt]

assuming i dont need to reboot, no volume. should I just try another device?

[heady bone]

A microphone that acts as a speaker?

[civic jolt]

basically I can plug in a headset and if connected I can hear myself

so yeah

[heady bone]

Well, the Microphones is part of the brand name Blue Microphones, that's insipid.

[civic jolt]

oh its not a speaker exactly

it just supports a direct output with the 3.5 jack

my bad

[heady bone]

wpctl set-default 32

[civic jolt]

👍

never seen that output before, normally it's realtek

guess windows stuff

do you mind helping me with the nvidia stuff or should I make a seperate thread for that?

[heady bone]

Can you explain in detail and provide context such as

• installed drivers, packages
• output from lspci -nnk | grep '\[03' -A4.
• dmesg
• journalctl -b0 | zstd | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io

[civic jolt]

yep sure thing, as for outputs

dmesg has a LOT of stuff. not sure what u want there

http://ix.io/4DvX

I'm just struggling to put everything together. Idk what things apply to me (aarch vs linux 64bit or even if I need to follow that step in #2 since I have nvidia which is also a driver?), whether I need dkms or not, whether I need the turing drivers it mentions in the nvidia article, etc. As for what I already have installed, I believe I downloaded xorg and I know I downloaded the 3 proprietary nvidia drivers from the xorg guide too. I also installed linux-headers because I think that's part of the process.

sorry if this is hard to follow. lmk whatever I can do to help u help me

also I plan on using wayland at some point because it seems to be more performant for gaming and my friend told me a long time ago it's better for multi-monitoring, but i dont want to do too much at once

[heady bone]

aarch vs linux 64bit or even if I need to follow that step in #2
Are you using an ARM CPU? What is step in #2? Where?
Can you speak a little more coherently?

[civic jolt]

well idk if I am. i know arm is for raspberry pis not sure what else it encompasses.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA <--step 2 here
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#Driver_installation

these are the two sources ive been using

[heady bone]

uname -a

[civic jolt]

http://ix.io/4Dw3
bash: http://ix.io/4DvX: No such file or directory
Linux stARCH 6.4.10-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri, 11 Aug 2023 11:03:36 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux

[heady bone]

Entschuldigung, I have no more watts in my brain to analyse your speech pattern.

[civic jolt]

im sorry

maybe I can rephrase

[civic jolt]

so I'm pretty sure ARM is for raspberry pi devices. i'm not using arch on a raspberry pi, but idk what other devices (if any) would use an ARM architecture.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#Driver_installation

The aforementioned links are what I've been using to try to get "graphics" (using broad term here) to work.

Are you using an ARM CPU? What is step in #2? Where?

step 2 in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA

[heady bone]

Please execute the following command in the graphical environment

sudo pacman -S --noconfirm mesa-utils
glxinfo -B | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io

[civic jolt]

http://ix.io/4Dwf

[heady bone]

I didn't see what was wrong. Your nvidia card is working

[civic jolt]

oh, well I haven't done anything from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA in that case. all I've done is just download those nvidia, nvidia-utils, and lib32-nvidia-utils. I could be wrong on this, but I thought I at least needed dkms.

[heady bone]

pacman -Q nvidia

[civic jolt]

im just worried I haven't fully installed everything I needed to to be able to safely game on my pc

alr 1 sec

ah I see, shows 535.98-2, which I suppose is what xorg did?

[heady bone]

The proprietary NVIDIA graphics card driver does not need any Xorg server configuration file

[heady bone]

Can you post the full output

[civic jolt]

I see. I was always told nvidia sucked to get running on a linux machine, and since the open source drivers are not performant (from what my friend told me), most people used the proprietary ones

[heady bone]

You don't need to configure anything.

[civic jolt]

ah that's great, so as far as you can tell I don't need or should install anything else as far as nvidia goes?

[heady bone]

No, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[civic jolt]

ok cool. while we're on the subject of graphics, I assume I should use wayland from hereon out, given I have multiple monitors?

[heady bone]

If you wish.
Wayland does have advantages over xorg.

[civic jolt]

my friend uses wayland on his desktop and he's told me stories about how it was a pain in the ass for him to do certain things. I forgot what he said exactly, but I didnt notice if you had those issues (assuming you use it)

[heady bone]

Please try it for yourself instead of other people's experiences.

Yes I use wayland with a nvidia card

[civic jolt]

yeah that's what I want to do. so after reading the wiki, it seems like I should be able to get wayland working since kwin came with my plasma install, but I don't see it when I boot into my display manager. is that normal?

[heady bone]

Wayland Compositor and Wayland Session are two different concepts.

[civic jolt]

right, iirc the compositor launch the session right?

[heady bone]

No, they are two different concepts

[heady bone]

Wayland session is an XDG Desktop Entry

For example, you can search for files in /usr/share/wayland-sessions

[civic jolt]

obviously this is new territory, but I don't fully understand why these entries are significant

im trying to look at the wiki for more info, but I still don't fully get it

[heady bone]

trial and error

[civic jolt]

I see, I guess I'll do some independent research on that later.

something I noticed rn is that ur messages say "tomorrow" and a given time, and my clock isn't visible on the bottom right hand corner. I assume the latter issue is just because i havent installed something, but it might be related

for example

[grim palm]

Time traveler spotted

[civic jolt]

i mean uhh its all perfectly normal

[heady bone]

Was wir wissen, ist ein Tropfen, Was wir nicht wissen, ist ein Ozean

[heady bone]

date

[heady bone]

This is wrong, UTC-0 is 08:00:54 as we speak

[civic jolt]

oh yeah

1 sec

[heady bone]

readlink /etc/localtime

[civic jolt]

thats right

...i hope

[heady bone]

timedatectl

[civic jolt]

timedatectl set-time "yyyy-MM-dd hh:mm:ss"

?

[heady bone]

Just timedatectl

[heady bone]

echo $TZ

[heady bone]

sudo timedatectl set-timezone America/Chicago

sudo systemctl restart systemd-timesyncd.service

[civic jolt]

there we go

would be nice if I could see it in my taskbar

is this just a kde feature I need to install?

cause the calendar shows if I clock on the area

[heady bone]

I know nothing about KDE as I am not a user

[grim palm]

Try log out and log in or reboot

[civic jolt]

alr

just a general question, how do I log out as a user in the terminal?

i couldn't find that in the wiki or forums

[heady bone]

Do you mean logging off the graphical session from the terminal?

[civic jolt]

I'm not sure. when in im the shell, I was always as root for a while, then I became a user. I don't know how to go back to root account. i assume with a desktop environment its harder to do

[civic jolt]

also clock still doesnt show

[heady bone]

It is sudo that you need.

[civic jolt]

yeah but a longer lasting sudo

like if I want to execute multiple root commands at once

[heady bone]

When you are running a desktop environment as regular user, there is no such thing as logout as root

[civic jolt]

without having to type my password for the duration of those commands

[grim palm]

You can log in as a root user or enter root shell with su
But I'd advise against it

[heady bone]

sudo -s

or

sudo bash << 'EOF'
<command1>
<command2>
EOF

or

sudo <command1>
sudo <command2>

[heady bone]

Sudo will remember your authentication for a set period of time.

[civic jolt]

can u remind me what the command is to see the flags? man?

[grim palm]

man

[civic jolt]

[heady bone]

To increase this timeout, execute

echo "Defaults timestamp_timeout=time_in_minuts" | sudo tee /etc/sudoers.d/timeout

• https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sudo#Reduce_the_number_of_times_you_have_to_type_a_password

[civic jolt]

alr cool

btw do you use BD for discord?

[heady bone]

I use PWA

[civic jolt]

what does that get you?

[heady bone]

No more, no less

[civic jolt]

so it's the default discord in the official repo?

forgot what it was called

[heady bone]

A browser tab

[civic jolt]

oh

I see

im going to make another thread to see if someone can fix my kde issue. thanks for helping me out again :)