#Constant Audio Crackling usually caused by opening Steam, but often just completely random

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astral creek
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Ok but it doesn't happen on any other distros, and it's most often when steam is open

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Which makes sense to me

shy pumice
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Not even with steam?

bronze edge
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what hapoens if you run cinebench?

astral creek
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So how can I prioritize my audio to receive power?

shy pumice
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Hmmm this is weird this is weird this is weird

bronze edge
astral creek
shy pumice
bronze edge
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idk, check

astral creek
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Maybe something wrong with the scheduler in the kernel?

bronze edge
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just a stress test any will work

bronze edge
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no

astral creek
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Cinebench is not on aur

shy pumice
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This is really peculiar.

bronze edge
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just look for stress test, i think its on github too

shy pumice
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How would stress test help

bronze edge
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because

shy pumice
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Oh wait I see

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but that's already proven though

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Its going to happen regardless of a benchmark

bronze edge
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so then wr can check if its a power/mobo issue or audio ware

shy pumice
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Do you use NVIDIA?

astral creek
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Sadly

bronze edge
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yeah thats why i said just any stress test

shy pumice
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Doesn't NVIDIA come with its own audio thinf

shy pumice
astral creek
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No idea, I'm not using the official package because it has graphical issues

shy pumice
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What are you using then

astral creek
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But, that could be an option I had not thought of

bronze edge
astral creek
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I'm using nvidia-all
Driver 525, dkms, regular

bronze edge
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more stress = more signs if smths wrong

shy pumice
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Yeah that's a pretty good idea

bronze edge
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@astral creek what do you use for audio out?

astral creek
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A Meizu DAC/AMP

shy pumice
astral creek
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Into USB C

astral creek
bronze edge
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does cracking happen with onboard?

astral creek
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No idea, my port is busted

bronze edge
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speakers?

astral creek
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Speakers so far have had no issues

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But it's hard to test

bronze edge
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also connected to the amp?

astral creek
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Also, this ONLY happens if my 2nd monitor is plugged in

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Oh you mean external speakers?

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I'm using a laptop

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I don't have external speakers

shy pumice
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What the fu-

astral creek
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But, it happens with my IEMs

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Through the DAC

bronze edge
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shouod have mentioned that earlier

shy pumice
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For double monitors, Wayland is a better pick here

bronze edge
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laptop and pc is quite different

astral creek
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HARD FUCKING NOPE

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Wayland runs way way way fucking worse

shy pumice
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What-

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I am sure Wayland runs fine on the latest NVIDIA drivers, seen a lot of people dailydrive it too

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As for performance...

Only thing I can think of is it defaulting to software rendering which it shouldn't.

astral creek
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I'd rather that be a last resort

shy pumice
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Understandable.

bronze edge
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does appying pressure to cable connection points worsen the cracking?

shy pumice
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Unfortunately we are on the last resort

bronze edge
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we know its a hardware thing, we cant test onboard so its either the usb or the dac or the headphones, or the cable

astral creek
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I can't find a functioning stress test

bronze edge
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if its cable it would be the cheapest

shy pumice
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Is it a hardware thing though, I mean it works on other distros

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I can only think of it as a software bug

astral creek
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The DAC works fine on every other device

bronze edge
astral creek
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And this issue only happens when I'm at home, hooked up to my 2nd monitor

bronze edge
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maybe other distros never had the same amount of packages

astral creek
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It happens on a clean install tho

bronze edge
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does it happen right after?

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or does it take time for the issue to reoccur

astral creek
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It's immediate

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Yeah I can't find a stress test tool

bronze edge
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took 3 secs

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stress is prob better

astral creek
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I could not get it to work

astral creek
bronze edge
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stress-ng?

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maybe

astral creek
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Did not work either

bronze edge
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try sysbench

astral creek
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Ok it's...uh

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It's doing nothing

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Yeah I am not understanding how to use this tool

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It is very unclear

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@bronze edge

bronze edge
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try sysbench --threads

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and number of threads you have

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check load with htop

astral creek
bronze edge
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lol

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ill find a new one

astral creek
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Is this even gonna be helpful

bronze edge
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goated st tho

astral creek
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I mean, I've already determined it happens when load is high, but mostly when steam is open

bronze edge
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brb

languid path
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also you didn’t specify a test

astral creek
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How do I do that

languid path
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like that:
sysbench [options]... [testname] [command]

astral creek
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Yeah I know the syntax

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That does not help me know what to put in

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sysbench cpu threads=12

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Maybe?

languid path
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sorry I implied the -- in my message, it is sysbench --threads=12 cpu

astral creek
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Uh huh

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languid path
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do what it tells you to do

astral creek
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Yep I still don't get it

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languid path
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not helpfull, the readme is more helpfull
sysbench --threads=12 cpu run
is what you want

astral creek
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Aight

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And my audio is fine

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How do I change the time it does it for

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Wanna try a minute

languid path
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is sysbench doing something?

astral creek
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Yes, but not for very long

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How do I make it longer

languid path
astral creek
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Yep, no issues at all

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Let's try GPU test

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Cuz I suspect it's GPU related

languid path
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what is your gpu

astral creek
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GPU1 is off

languid path
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ah, neat, nvidia

astral creek
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Yeah, "neat"

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@languid pathSo how test gpu

languid path
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idk

astral creek
shy pumice
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Infact this will allow you to run Wayland too.

astral creek
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That fucks shit up SO BADLY

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I tried

shy pumice
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Shrug, at this point the only solution I have to use an alternative distro where the problem doesn't exist

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Am highly highly sure its a software bug

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But I can't pin it down

bronze edge
astral creek
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Yeaaa

bronze edge
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try glmark2

astral creek
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It's...not causing audio issues

shy pumice
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Or at least, I think it was

bronze edge
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pretty sure he also hates nvidia

shy pumice
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Yeah

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Not as much as optimus maybe

astral creek
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I have my CPU and GPU maxed out

bronze edge
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consider the driver beef, lack of oss, lack of support

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late features etc etc

astral creek
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And there's not a single issue

bronze edge
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would be funny if it fixed itself

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does steam still do funni?

astral creek
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All my sounds are fine tf

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bronze edge
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lol

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you know what

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i have a theory

astral creek
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Oh and I'm screen sharing

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And steam is open

bronze edge
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can you stop stress test, just full idle for 5 mins

astral creek
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Wait hold on

bronze edge
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and see if opening steam makes it crack again

astral creek
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I think I may be related to GPU acceleration on steam

bronze edge
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?

astral creek
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Steam did not load the store page, and there was no audio issues

shy pumice
bronze edge
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thermal expansion from system load making the connection full

shy pumice
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:O

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Plausible.

bronze edge
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meaning some contact is messed up so when system is called and under sudden load it causes cracking

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that could also be literally anywhere

astral creek
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I can't replicate the issue now

bronze edge
shy pumice
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Don't worry, just wait 11 more months /j

bronze edge
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if it cracks its prob that

bronze edge
shy pumice
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Is that a hardware moment, NVIDIA moment or arch monent

bronze edge
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meanwhile im trying to figure out how tf to run dosfstools on a broken windows qemu image that cant boot

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so fun

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cant even mount it really, its just borked

shy pumice
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I know sudden load causes problems, but I am sure CFS is well equipped for that scenario...

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Fun.

bronze edge
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cfs?

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i dont think chronic fatigues syndrom is related

shy pumice
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😂

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Completely Fair Scheduler

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The default Linux uses.

bronze edge
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im sure it would be a more common issue if it was a scheduler thing

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maybe it worth looking into their github issues tho

shy pumice
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Whose github

bronze edge
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the repo for cfs

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i assume its separate

shy pumice
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The kernel doesn't use github or gitlab, it is still stuck in 1900's

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Nope, not separate

bronze edge
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where hosted

shy pumice
bronze edge
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i actually never checked, was alwasy terrified of the c++ things

shy pumice
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And they use mailing list for bugs

bronze edge
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bruh

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wtf

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why

shy pumice
bronze edge
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c? rust now too

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smth like that

shy pumice
shy pumice
bronze edge
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yeah cpp would be dumb idk why i said that

shy pumice
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If you want to do some thing, rust is the easiest option rn

bronze edge
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instability fun

bronze edge
shy pumice
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Anyways

bronze edge
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lol

shy pumice
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@astral creek is it fixed

bronze edge
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this shit needs to be abolished

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astral creek
bronze edge
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do the steam thing again

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if temps are back down

astral creek
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Crackle

bronze edge
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thermal expansion moment

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woohoo

shy pumice
bronze edge
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if you find whats faulty a reflow might fix

bronze edge
languid path
shy pumice
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Its actually hard to see freelance contributions nowadays

bronze edge
shy pumice
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The kernel is so big

languid path
shy pumice
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Contribute to reactOS

bronze edge
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would you rather have less people contribute to the kernel?

shy pumice
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It doesn't actually matter though

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The ones contributing are companies now

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Not freelancers

bronze edge
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@astral creek you gotta test diff hardware now to narrow it down, once you get it either will have to replace or reflow

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hopefuly its just a connector

shy pumice
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Torvalds already said he had accomplished what he wanted in 1.0

astral creek
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Um

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It's a laptop

bronze edge
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and?

astral creek
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How you mean "test different hardware"

languid path
bronze edge
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diff headphones, dacs, ports

astral creek
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Plugging IEMs into the DAC has the same issue

bronze edge
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if issue persists across all its the laptop

astral creek
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My headphone jack is busted

bronze edge
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then youll have a not fun time

shy pumice
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Its probably that DAc then

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Actually, does it happen in Bluetooth ones

astral creek
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No idea

bronze edge
astral creek
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Don't have BT audio devices

bronze edge
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bruh

shy pumice
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Ooof

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Can't you borrow one for testing

bronze edge
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you can try streaming audio to your phone over bluetooth

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or borrow

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im kinda leaning to it either being dac or laptop mobo, either way its gonna suck

astral creek
shy pumice
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If it isn't the case with Bluetooth, we have basically narrowed it down to
DAC
Port

bronze edge
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or mobo

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or cable/connector

shy pumice
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Oof 4 options

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I am betting on port though

bronze edge
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port and cable rarely have thermal expansion, i bet mobo in either dac or laptop

shy pumice
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Actually on second thought, if it happens with another monitor that probably not port

bronze edge
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and not dac if audio goes thru monitor

shy pumice
astral creek
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When I said 2nd monitor I mean a display

shy pumice
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Yeah, we didn't expect the 2nd monitor to be a opaque wall or something

bronze edge
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aka it works while warm

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or the other way around

shy pumice
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Ah I see, thank you

bronze edge
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@astral creek does the second mon itor have audio out?

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if cracking thru that i might have bad news for you

astral creek
bronze edge
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great, software problems excluded

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now we still havej the 4 hardware possible problems

shy pumice
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Didn't they say that it doesnt happen on other disrtos though

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Thermal expansion is disto-racist /j

bronze edge
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@astral creek were those distros just tests or like actually daily drive and subjected to sudden load?

astral creek
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Both

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OpenSuse was a long ish term test

bronze edge
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did the issues begin at some point and you have not used the other distros?

astral creek
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Did not have audio issues as far as I can remember

bronze edge
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what if you liveboot and do a stress test, random distro

astral creek
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It's only when I do a cold thing and cause thermal expansion or whatever

bronze edge
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but does the issue happen in liveboot? cuz when its sudden stress on coldhardware it happened as far as i understand

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like getting steam running right after bot

shy pumice
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Just out of curiosity. Are you using Ethernet or wifi?

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There was a post on manjaro with audio crackling issue. The common component is Ethernet adapter. I know that borked aer messaging can lead to stupid issues. But I really have no idea why it's broken in this case.
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/cracking-sound-from-audio/44452

Is there any new BIOS available for your hardware?

Manjaro Linux Forum
Cracking sound from audio

There’s a constant crackling sound coming from the audio. Both the speakers and headphones do not work, they both have the same crackling sound. I tried turning off timer-based scheduling based on the official troubleshooting guidelines and also this post on the archived forum. However, it did not fix my issue. I tried restarting the laptop, m...

astral creek
astral creek
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Welp now it's happening without steam open
Balls

bronze edge
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if its what i think it is itll prob stop working in like a month

astral creek
void shadow
astral creek
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Uh

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No idea

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But doing a heavy load test, it didn't cause issues

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Thermal expansion seems like the best bet, cuz rn, at a fairly stable temp and clock speed, no issues have happened

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So it must be because of fluctuating temps/clock speeds

shy pumice
# void shadow does it happen if you go offline (unplug your ethernet cable)

I have suspicion that some aer issues sadly could exist even if you disable the module in BIOS. Usually they are a stupidly misconfigured firmwares, that either gets updated by bios, or need driver refactoring. Asus did kinda stuff long time ago, making some products fail on purpose, and these product never got any bios update. And these issues are also kinda stupid. They don't happen on cold boot when your system was offline at least for a minute. But happen when you reproduced it, just shutdown it and immediately start it again. It's a rabbit hole sadly. To check if it really the cause. I would say the easiest way is just to daily drive another distro for a long time and check if it rises, if it doesn't rise then the system does something different. But it could be that that's not the case. It's also an Intel CPU with their proprietary p-state system, which also does some dumb stuff at some point (at least in older CPUs like 7-9th gens). So if possible it also would be helpful to test fallback to acpi, which is also don't have ideal solution. At this point if it's like hardware related to CPU or faulty firmwares, there are only workarounds which could only locate a problems or cut the idea out of the equation.

astral creek
astral creek
coarse spire
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how is this thread still not gone

astral creek
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Why would the thread be gone if the issue is still here

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But, I strongly believe it's thermal expansion related

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Why?

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When the issue happens
If I pull up a tone generator, crank up the volume to maximum, it fixes itself

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So the logic is it draws more power to the audio related components in such a way that it sort of...relaxes it

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Like a hot pack on a cramp

void shadow
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did you ever try unplugging ethernet when it's happening?

astral creek
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Well...no...

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Cuz I need dat

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I mean, I'll try to remember to do it

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But I doubt it would do anything

void shadow
# astral creek Cuz I need dat

The suggestion is simply to try and do some troubleshooting, not as an actual fix, but see if we can get more info on if it is the cause

astral creek
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Well ok

astral creek
void shadow
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Any other Ethernet drivers that’d be suitable that you can try just incase?

astral creek
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Um....unsure

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But I feel like that's a stretch

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Thermal expansion seems like the best bet

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Since more often than not, cranking up the sound to maximum for a few seconds fixes it

opal tide
astral creek
bronze edge
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that wouldnt matter, it might slow your pc down but not issues like this

astral creek
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It's driving me actually insane

languid path
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try different OS and see if the issue persists

astral creek
languid path
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then switch to this os

astral creek
astral creek
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Maybe it's this dingus

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Why didn't I think of that

void shadow
astral creek
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Quite honestly, totally forgot

void shadow
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How is it now you’ve removed it?

astral creek
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Will know in an hour

astral creek
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there has been no issues, I am kinda angy

void shadow
astral creek
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...there has still been zero issues

void shadow
astral creek
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I'm happy, but also kinda annoyed

bronze edge
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... solved