I really hope constantly reinstalling is a normal thing people do
#Kde plasma X11 randomly freezes up on startup
tawdry zephyrBOT
xkaku
Or sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.Xauthority
rare gale
Or sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.Xauthority
This doesn’t always work. I ran sudo startx like an idiot once and this had no effect.
pulsar stream
This doesn’t always work. I ran sudo startx like an idiot once and this had no e...
only fix is to reinstall?
mortal bramble
ls -al ~/.xinitrc ~/.Xauthority
It shouldn't be "unfixable" or difficult to fix at all
also did you do startx properly before and did it work fine?
maybe your issue is not related to doing sudo startx as you assumed.
pulsar stream
I didnt do startx before
mortal bramble
then it is probably not related to sudo
pulsar stream
ls: cannot access '/home/user/.xinitrc': No such file or directory
-rw------- 1 user user 53 Apr 27 08:56 /home/user/.Xauthority
pulsar stream
can i just create one?
pulsar stream
ok you do not have .xinitrc, that is an issue lol
1 out of 5 times, it freezes at startup for the first 30 seconds, then everything works as normall
EXCEPT: my pulseaudio fails to start whenever that happens
mortal bramble
wait, you are using KDE right?
pulsar stream
yup
mortal bramble
you aren't using a display manager?
pulsar stream
sddm
mortal bramble
then you have nothing to do with startx or .xinitrc
you either use startx or sddm
pulsar stream
these problems started right after i ran sudo startx tho
so maybe its conflicting with sddm somehow
mortal bramble
ok now it makes more sense
would you like to use sddm, or would you like to start KDE with startx?
mortal bramble
you can remove sddm and just use startx
but do you actually want the functionality of sddm?
pulsar stream
is there less with startx?
mortal bramble
less?
mortal bramble
startx has no functionality other than starting your KDE session.
sddm gives you a graphical interface you use to login, pick form different desktop sessions if you have multiple ones.
pulsar stream
ill take sddm then
mortal bramble
with startx, you login from the tty, entering your username and password, and then KDE starts up automatically (or not, if you want to manually start it by just writing startx in the tty)
pulsar stream
yeah not too comfortable using it yet then
pulsar stream
with startx, you login from the tty, entering your username and password, and th...
but its similiar where you can choose which de to run?
whether its a dwm or an actual desktop
mortal bramble
so, you do not get a graphical interface to pick which DE to run.
but you can easily set it up so that a specific DE / WM starts.
pulsar stream
i might switch to it in the future but ig for now i want to stick with sddm
mortal bramble
ok, i'm not sure how to fix sddm now, but we can investigate.
i think the issue is that sddm uses the root user's .Xauthority.
sudo ls -alt /root
pulsar stream
total 20
drwx------ 5 root root 4096 Apr 26 23:23 .
-rw------- 1 root root 0 Apr 26 23:23 .Xauthority
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 24 14:33 .cache
drwx------ 2 root root 4096 Apr 24 14:27 .ssh
drwx------ 3 root root 4096 Apr 24 14:27 .gnupg
drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4096 Apr 24 14:27 ..
mortal bramble
Apr 26 23:23 is that perhaps the time you ran sudo startx ?
pulsar stream
I think it was like 9 or 10pm yesterday
pulsar stream
Apr 26 23:23 is that perhaps the time you ran `sudo startx` ?
I did delete Xauthority in an effort to fix it yesterday as well
so its not the original
mortal bramble
I think you removed the .Xauthority in your home, not root's
so let's try removing root's.
make a backup just in case, so:
sudo mv /root/.Xauthority /root/.Xauthority.bak
pulsar stream
done
mortal bramble
ok, restart and see if it works
you can also try uninstalling and reinstalling sddm + xorg-xinit
but uninstall with sudo pacman -Rns
you would need to redo any config you did to sddm. so you may want to back up the config files
pulsar stream
you would need to redo any config you did to sddm. so you may want to back up th...
this is a fresh install so I didnt do much
unless your talking about configs to the looks of the desktop
mortal bramble
KDE configs should be staying, we won't touch them
pulsar stream
ok, restart and see if it works
i still experienced the same 20s freeze
mortal bramble
ok
pulsar stream
and the sound service failed to start
mortal bramble
did all work fine with sddm before? including sound?
mortal bramble
ok
mortal bramble
oh?
pulsar stream
its like rng
mortal bramble
so you restart, it work perfectly.
pulsar stream
4/5 restarts, it works
mortal bramble
hmm
pulsar stream
so you restart, it work perfectly.
I tested it
I restarted 10 times and it froze in 2 restarts
mortal bramble
complete PC reboots? or something else?
pulsar stream
complete reboots
each time it froze the sound service would always fail afaik
maybe other hidden services fail too but i wouldnt know
mortal bramble
if you are doing nothing, like using startx inbetween those restarts, and it is just rebooting and it randomly does not work well, that is weird
personally, I prefer to use startx and not have a graphical startup screen like sddm.
but it is a preference.
so if you'd like, let's reinstall sddm cleanly
pulsar stream
sure thing
mortal bramble
sudo pacman -Rns xorg-xinit sddm
sudo pacman -S sddm
pulsar stream
would that remove whatever sudo startx implanted in my system since its effects lives through restarts
mortal bramble
I think so.
pulsar stream
checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: removing sddm breaks dependency 'sddm' required by sddm-kcm
mortal bramble
ok, let's add that one too
sudo pacman -Rns xorg-xinit sddm sddm-kcm
sudo pacman -S sddm sddm-kcm
pulsar stream
its just listing another dependency that ssm-kcm would break
is there a way to just override it?
since if you remove and reinstall, it shouldnt be an issue
mortal bramble
what is the dependency
pulsar stream
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: removing sddm-kcm breaks dependency 'sddm-kcm' required by plasma-meta
pulsar stream
yup that worked
pulsar stream
done
mortal bramble
restart 🙏
pulsar stream
the same freezing happened
but at least nothing broke lol where it fails to start at all
pulsar stream
total 16
drwxr-xr-x 78 root root 4096 Apr 27 10:40 ..
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 26 23:26 xinit
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 24 14:32 xorg.conf.d
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 24 14:30 .
mortal bramble
ls -alt /etc/X11/xinit
pulsar stream
total 12
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 26 23:26 .
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 24 14:32 xinitrc.d
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 24 14:30 ..
mortal bramble
hmm this xinit directory should not exist after uninstalling xorg-xinit, so i'm not sure why it's still there
but it shouldn't be having an effect anyway
cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*
pulsar stream
Written by systemd-localed(8), read by systemd-localed and Xorg. It's
probably wise not to edit this file manually. Use localectl(1) to
instruct systemd-localed to update it.
Section "InputClass"
Identifier "system-keyboard"
MatchIsKeyboard "on"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105+inet"
Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
EndSection
I have to go right now but I really appreciate your help 🙏
systems still functional but I'll end up reinstalling this weekend if nothing else works
mortal bramble
cat .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
pulsar stream
cat: .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
mortal bramble
ok, you can reinstall, or we can set up startx instead of sddm too.
cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
pulsar stream
im down to setup startx when I get back
[ 7.813] Current Operating System: Linux AstralOS 6.2.12-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu, 20 Apr 2023 16:11:55 +0000 x86_64
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[ 7.840] (EE) Failed to load module "intel" (module does not exist, 0)
[ 7.842] (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
[ 7.842] (EE) Failed to load module "vesa" (module does not exist, 0)
[ 8.350] (II) Initializing extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
mortal bramble
if you're not leaving yet;
ls -alt /var/log/Xorg*
and
ls -alt ~/.local/share/xorg/
pulsar stream
if you're not leaving yet;
`ls -alt /var/log/Xorg*`
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70279 Apr 27 10:48 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 62956 Apr 27 10:39 /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5309 Apr 26 23:42 /var/log/Xorg.2.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 66127 Apr 26 23:23 /var/log/Xorg.1.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 62864 Apr 26 23:13 /var/log/Xorg.1.log.old
pulsar stream
and
`ls -alt ~/.local/share/xorg/`
no such file or directory
mortal bramble
ok, then we have no errors related to this in Xorg logs
btw I am still assuming there is no other issue, and this is just some weirdness caused by running sudo startx.
I hope it does not happen when we use startx instead of sddm :)
pulsar stream
btw I am still assuming there is no other issue, and this is just some weirdness...
is the process to switch to startx easy?
mortal bramble
yeah
we should remove sddm. but plasma-meta which you have requires sddm-kcm for some reason, so let's not do this.
instead, let's just do:
sudo systemctl disable sddm.service
then add xinit : sudo pacman -S xorg-xinit
create and edit the ~/.xinitrc file in your home.
To start Plasma with xinit/startx, append
export DESKTOP_SESSION=plasmaandexec startplasma-x11to your .xinitrc file.
You also should add some other part. So this is what you should have:
# load package-managed config additions.
if [ -d /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ] ; then
for f in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/?*.sh ; do
[ -x "$f" ] && . "$f"
done
unset f
fi
export DESKTOP_SESSION=plasma
exec startplasma-x11
restart.
you should get into the black screen tty asking for login.
login with username and password.
then write startx.
it should work. if you have a problem, let me know
we can make it auto-start after making sure it works.
also can you please do this too, i would like to check:
cat /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/*
mortal bramble
I might go out in an hour.
If you have issues getting into KDE after the changes, just do this and restart, it will be back to where you started:
sudo systemctl enable sddm.service
pulsar stream
also can you please do this too, i would like to check:
`cat /etc/X11/xinit/xini...
#!/bin/sh
case "${DESKTOP_SESSION-}" in
gnome*) # Done by gnome-settings-daemon
;;
*)
# Extra check in case DESKTOP_SESSION is not set correctly
if [ -z "${GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID-}" ]; then
GTK_MODULES="${GTK_MODULES:+$GTK_MODULES:}canberra-gtk-module"
export GTK_MODULES
fi
;;
esac
#!/bin/sh
SPDX-License-Identifier: LGPL-2.1-or-later
This file is part of systemd.
systemd is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation; either version 2.1 of the License, or
(at your option) any later version.
systemctl --user import-environment DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
if command -v dbus-update-activation-environment >/dev/null 2>&1; then
dbus-update-activation-environment DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
fi
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pulsar stream
I might go out in an hour.
If you have issues getting into KDE after the changes...
good news is I can start kde-plasma the exact same way as in sddm
but the exact same issues happen where it freezes and the sound services dont start