Where tf is matrix bridge?

[hidden basin]

Why make a big deal about Matrix bridge and then just remove it?????

[proud drum]

pls return matrix bridge qwq

[hidden basin]

Among us.

[proud drum]

are revolt bridges a thing ? could one of them be set up too to further expand the servers accessibility?

[hidden basin]

revolt bridges can be made but i think you have to make it yourself

[hidden basin]

i too want the matrix bridge back, i used it all the time

[north surge]

I kicked it due to issues and Anna hasn't had time to bring it back I guess

[hidden basin]

No comment on that ...

[proud drum]

i mean same goes for matrix bridges right?

[proud drum]

have the mod team considered self hosting the matrix bridge so it’s actually stable? matrix.org has a guide on this for how to do it for free with a free oracle cloud server

[north surge]

The issue wasn't stability but the bot not really allowing me to ban some one

[proud drum]

i see

perhaps look into matrix moderation bots too? ik some exist

[hidden basin]

idk why I read Anna in Tamil.

[proud drum]

perhaps coz ur used to it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hidden basin]

I am not even Tamil bruh

[proud drum]

but if u can read tamil perhaps ur brain defaulted to it for the word anna idk lol i only speak one language 😔

[dry heath]

anna pls bring back bridge

[eternal mango]

this server is never going to have a working matrix bridge for more than a week

it's been broken since like 2018 lol

[hidden basin]

Is the bot the issue???

@north surge im not so sure how Matrix API works but i think i could write a discord Matrix bridge that can ban

just looked into it should be pretty easy to code

@proper ravine @north surge if you need a bridge bot that can also ban/unban/kick i could make one would take me like 2 weeks since i like to polish stuff

would be FOSS ofc

[proper ravine]

ours can already do that

[hidden basin]

then why is banning people the issue?

[proper ravine]

it bans from the room, not the space

[hidden basin]

ah

[north surge]

No the issue is it was broken

[hidden basin]

well that would'nt be hard to code too idk if you can ban from spaces but you could just ban every channel/room in a space

[hidden basin]

i would be offering to code that like i said

i could also add slow mode artifficaly so matrix users can't spam

[hidden basin]

@proper ravine wouldn't that fix the issue with spaces?

[proper ravine]

maybr

[hidden basin]

my approach would be have the bot check everychannel its mod in since its custom made it would only be in the bridge channels then ban the user from those channel

tho you could also make a list of channels in a database or just a config

[proper ravine]

why not just query the space?

[hidden basin]

if you can do that with matrix api sure

but i dont think you can

[proper ravine]

you totally can

[hidden basin]

am i looking at the wrong page https://matrix.org/sdks ?

[hidden basin]

well sure you can but most librarys dont support it or it is just not listed and writing an entire library would take alot more time

[proper ravine]

????

no checking what rooms are in a space is a basic function

you must be misreading

[hidden basin]

yes and no

ok they do support spaces im just dumb

@proper ravine any preffered lang u would want the bridge to be in?

lang's i can code in : python,java,kotlin,javascript,C++(i would prefere not using c++ for bots/bridges)

[proud drum]

bridges already exist and work fine it’s just the matrix bot that this server is using is ass

if someone deployed their own dedicated bot for this server it would be fine

[proud drum]

and u could fork the matrix bridge bots that already exist and add those features if they aren’t there already

[hidden basin]

wheres the fun in forking a bridge that is easy to code

[proud drum]

because we know it works

[hidden basin]

it would take longer prob tho

[proud drum]

by all means perhaps u could make a better bridge however can we be sure it doesn’t have any glaring bugs that would cause issues down the road?

[hidden basin]

instead of just writing i'd have to read and understand someone else code before i could even begin working

[proud drum]

yes

however it would give u a good base to work off of instead of having to implement everything urself

[hidden basin]

once i know how api stuff works i would be able to write a bridge in a day and spent the rest of the week finding bugs and fixing them and testing stuff

[proud drum]

how long would it take to learn how the api stuff works tho?

[hidden basin]

max a week

unless matrix is hella complicated

[proud drum]

i mean idk forgive me for doubting u could reimplement a relatively complex project completely by urself in just a week with more features than the original

[hidden basin]

a bridge is not very complex

[proud drum]

then why are there only 2 of them that exist for discord lol

[hidden basin]

idk

i have written bridges before

[proud drum]

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-discord

here is the current bridge, there used to be a second one but its now been archived

[proud drum]

between what?

like im sure u could do it in a week but would it be appreciably better than this one thats been in active development for ages?

[hidden basin]

well im a student and have literaly the rest of my day after like 12pm - 3am of time to work on this stuff

and idk tbh i need to look at this project

[proud drum]

i mean this has been around since element was called riot

[hidden basin]

then why is it still in beta?

[proud drum]

its not in beta its last release was like version 3.0 or something lmao

[hidden basin]

BETA

[proud drum]

if i had to guess why it considers 3.0 to be beta i would imagine it has something to do with this

its in beta in the same way r6 siege ranked was in beta for years

[hidden basin]

the hardest part of bridging would be embeds and emojis acutaly no you could just sent emojis as an image

[hidden basin]

looking athis ..

[proud drum]

i mean by all means i dont wanna knock ur idea u seem pretty attached to this idea of making a bridge so if u wanna go ahead and if its better than the preexisting bridge ||that the mods refuse to let someone self host 🙄|| then maybe it will be used

im just saying save urself the work lol

[dry heath]

im just gonna leave this here

[hidden basin]

i have fun coding stuff

[dry heath]

notice as soon as discord detectes a @ it trys to convert @Mallchad to @Mallchad#7336

[proud drum]

then go ahead :)

[hidden basin]

tho looking at the current bridge you could cut down the complexity alot by just removing unused database stuff

[proud drum]

ik discord cringe 🙄

[hidden basin]

since it will be only used in a single server you wouldnt need database stuff for multiple servers

[dry heath]

so you will need to try and specify the user using another method

[hidden basin]

cutting down complexity by alot

@proud drum the thing is what lang would i use for the bridge

[proud drum]

rust

[hidden basin]

i'd rather use c++ at that point

[proud drum]

carbon lol

idk just use javascript and nodejs lmao

prbly easiest 🤷

[hidden basin]

but that kinda cringe

[proud drum]

idk use what u want then 🤷

u made bridges before u say

use whatever langs u used there

as long as they have libs for matrix and discord

[hidden basin]

they where in javascript and kotlin

and one in python(tho wasnt realy a bridge)

[proud drum]

use kotlin ig 🤷

[hidden basin]

i once kinda """bridged""" skype and discord

back in 2016

RIP OG ACCOUNT

[hidden basin]

ill look into matrix for java/kotlin

[proud drum]

yesyes

[hidden basin]

btw werent you a systemd user before?

what made you switch

[proud drum]

i dont use openrc lol i use runit i just couldnt fit deez into runit lol, i dont have a problem with systemd i have just switched to voidlinux and am gonna install gentoo too soon :)

might even do a systemd gentoo install too lol

[hidden basin]

cursed

[hidden basin]

using runit instead of systemd on same specs and setup was actually 500 MiBs lighter for me. The bootup time was also fast.

so

I don't really 'hate' systemd. Like, if it is convenient for you. Use it I guess. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

The thing is that systemd is an entire suite while runit or openrc are just init systems. As far as I have heard ofc.

[proud drum]

i rlly enjoy runit but idk about openrc, if it isn’t better than systemd then i may go with a systemd gentoo install - am planning on doing another artix runit install in the future too :)

[hidden basin]

most people prefer runit over openrc I think.

[proud drum]

yes systemd does many things and most ppl don’t use it for most of those things whereas runit and openrc are just init systems and supervision suites

[hidden basin]

I have had very little work to do with my init anyway. It was long back when I was configuring some services when I was really messing with my init

[proud drum]

yeah prbly but openrc is the default on gentoo and artix and gentoo doesn’t even support runit officially unfortunately 😔

[hidden basin]

all the symlinking

[proud drum]

yea

[hidden basin]

artix does have runit though

I am using runit on artix

[proud drum]

it does yes, i have used it before

[hidden basin]

wait was there a punctuation gaffe

[proud drum]

yeah prbly but openrc is the default on gentoo and artix; gentoo doesn’t even support runit officially unfortunately 😔*

[hidden basin]

k

[viscid quest]

+1

i would appreciate a revolt bridge