🧊Frost Mini - Haber City

[verbal musk]

revote on laws later on

[sour stratus]

How many enemys groups of dukes outside are there

[steep elm]

and also frozen fertile soil since that one is not that obvious to find

[turbid viper]

for now, developmentalism would yield greater fruits

we can develop provincial security later

[austere dock]

We can always build more weapons later, we did get +10 handguns last week

[turbid viper]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-gaming-mgs-guns-gif-17353618

[steep elm]

and I guess we could also make trades with other vassals faster

if we are to send over our resources first

[austere dock]

We should focus on bettering the city and bettering relations with the duke over trying to look to hostile towards him, especially since we don't know his actual power

[steep elm]

or at the same time

2 cars faster than 1

[bitter glacier]

prospecting tools will improve our self sufficiency

[turbid viper]

meet in the middle

[sour stratus]

And what if there is no later?

[austere dock]

Meet in the middle, swap vehicles, drive back, repeat

[turbid viper]

such is life

[austere dock]

No need to unload the resources when you can just park next to each other and swap vheicals

[sour stratus]

Exacly so we should have guns at ready

[steep elm]

if we do have resources here

we could just. have nothing outside of what we already know we have (3 coal slots - coal complex, 3 food slots - 2/3 and 3 iron slots - 2/3)

[bitter glacier]

why haven't we exploited the third food deposit...

[steep elm]

we know we have a bit more coal if we continue moving adjascent to the plateau

[steep elm]

dídn't vote for it

[bitter glacier]

petition to add hothouse to the next build cycle

[turbid viper]

also, we dont get a build this turn?

[steep elm]

we just had one last turn

two

[turbid viper]

thats not very developmentalist of you site director

[steep elm]

have you guys not noticed that it usually is one turn building other something else, alternating

[warm cliff]

Okay so

Question

Prospecting tools

what are those?

[steep elm]

.

[warm cliff]

hm

[steep elm]

.

[warm cliff]

mmmkay I will vote those tools

[steep elm]

.

[verbal musk]

The Duke shall be pleased

The Duke must be honoured

[sour stratus]

No. Not really

[verbal musk]

Words of a liar

[sour stratus]

Words of a blind sheep that follows the false shepard

[verbal musk]

Words of a snake caught by the apex hunter

[sour stratus]

What apex hunter

[verbal musk]

The Duke

[warm cliff]

If you want to please him so much, you can go suck his dick

[verbal musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239693595917811753/1435880445454848130/convert.gif

[warm cliff]

We are here only doing what is part of our deal

[verbal musk]

Then do so

[warm cliff]

Well guess what

We are already

[sour stratus]

Man why did we get so much spineless penpushers whe we could have goten operators

[warm cliff]

And what have you done for the last weeks?

[verbal musk]

Great

[verbal musk]

Paperwork

[steep elm]

[verbal musk]

Get a gun

Messa happy to hav gun

[steep elm]

You guys antagonising the Ministers is not going to end up well

[verbal musk]

Are we serious

You know what

[sour stratus]

[verbal musk]

I’ll just

Leave

[steep elm]

Self-fulfilling prophecies they call it

[verbal musk]

I don’t see a purpose in arguing about this vote

[warm cliff]

Looks like this is just the only thing you can do

[sour stratus]

Look they hate us already we cant go much deeper with their relation

[steep elm]

You quite literally can

[turbid viper]

@verbal musk get the trade office phone ready

[verbal musk]

Alright sir

[sour stratus]

Unless they want to become hostile but then all gloves are off

[austere dock]

Haber how does the trading in the market work?

[sour stratus]

But i mean comon they did nothing even tho they have their office

[turbid viper]

we acquired manpower

we allowed you to trade

[steep elm]

They are actively searching for the vandal

And their passive helps increase trust and decrease tension

[austere dock]

-# I stoped antagonizing them now it's specifically wohn

[sour stratus]

Like a vandal is the bigets of our concerns

[steep elm]

You can set up a trading route, so every week a trade goes automatically

4 coals for 1 raw food, for example

[turbid viper]

i bear the burden of being the minister hatesink

[steep elm]

I mean, right now, yeah, we don't have much else going on?

[turbid viper]

i just did my job

smh my head

[warm cliff]

I honestly think we should

because

[austere dock]

How much would a trading route cost us resource wise?

[steep elm]

Nothing

[sour stratus]

Right i forgot they are the duke worshipers

[warm cliff]

We have a fuckton of exsess coal

We can trade freely

[turbid viper]

4 coal for 1 food

we can make up our deficit with chump change

[steep elm]

If we have our own freight vehicle, it costs 5 coal

To fuel

[austere dock]

You're easy to hate in haber city tbh (not accounting for the Frost radio John this is specifically Wohn lol)

[sour stratus]

-# Steam lorry

[warm cliff]

Our excess has literally doubled since the operators came

[steep elm]

But less chances of stuff going wrong

[turbid viper]

good soldiers follow orders

[warm cliff]

dw your next order will to simply die

trust

[steep elm]

No one ever gave him orders

[turbid viper]

you implied it

[steep elm]

He figured out his purpose

And did it

[warm cliff]

oh

good

[turbid viper]

@steep elm would a trade route require a vote

or is it up to executive decision

[steep elm]

Or was that a way to interpret it that coincidentally lined up with what you had to do?

Who knows

[steep elm]

If the people are in general agreement, no vote required

[warm cliff]

I propose we establish the route and make a stockpile of food

[austere dock]

Same

[turbid viper]

-# not me...
-# we never lost control...

[warm cliff]

So we can have a bountiful future

[austere dock]

Fr

4 coal for 1 food isn't horrible, but it's also not great

[turbid viper]

its great for our production

[austere dock]

We do have a surplus of coal so at least it isn't much of an issue atm

[warm cliff]

We kinda have a huge surplus of coal

[steep elm]

Considering we have 134 excess

We could literally buy double what we need in total currently
And more

[austere dock]

Yea

[warm cliff]

Like, the one with which we can basically go and buy all the food they have for all the coal we have stockpiled

[turbid viper]

would trades be done per turn?

[austere dock]

I think we should set up the trades

[warm cliff]

And we will still meet quota in a few turns

[steep elm]

Can be continuous, a trade route as I said

They can also be one-time things

[austere dock]

Yup

[steep elm]

We still have 10 weeks for the quota

[warm cliff]

Let's just sell all the coal we have stockpiled for the food then /j

[austere dock]

Quota is due week 60
So we are 10 weeks off of the deadline

[turbid viper]

it takes 4 turns to meet our quota from nothing

[warm cliff]

But in all seriousness, buying 10 food for 40 coal for now every week once we made a food stockpile will allow us to gain a lot without loosing much

[austere dock]

Exactly!

And we can always adjust our shipment amounts per week depending on our own needs

[warm cliff]

Yep!

[austere dock]

Do we have a smaller qouta due, just sell more coal, a larger one, sell less coal

[turbid viper]

the question is how much food is there in the market

per turn

[austere dock]

That's for you Minister's to check XD

[steep elm]

Much more than our city needs

[turbid viper]

plentiful harvests

glorious

[warm cliff]

Stockpiling it is then

[steep elm]

And they can increase their production to meet our demand

[warm cliff]

Also we will be able to get in contact with them

[austere dock]

How long as this food city existed?

[warm cliff]

It's up to us to ask them

We have never contacted them before

So once the trade route is established - we will know

[austere dock]

The people of the crown would know

[steep elm]

Although since we're stockpiling, they might not bother to increase their production

Or might limit what we can buy to a certain point

[austere dock]

Fair

Is there a need to sell iron? Or is that a resource that isn't able to be traded yet?

[steep elm]

We are using all our iron

To build

[austere dock]

Question still stands XD

What's the trade ratio for selling/buying iron

[steep elm]

We can essentially trade anything

But Coal is our only real option right now

[steep elm]

You don't know since the Market doesn't offer that option

If we want to trade it, we would need to have the Ministers contact the Crown to add iron to the list and apply a price to it

Even then, we don't have any kind of iron surplus

So, they might not even do it if it's just for us to not sell it in the end

[austere dock]

Ah fair

Does our qoutas have any "reward" besides a high five you don't get "consequences" for failure to meet a quota, or is it something like a "payment"

[steep elm]

Reward is getting to live and access to the Market 👍

If we fail a quota, we don't get to trade

[austere dock]

So basically just a "high five, you aren't dead yet"

[sour stratus]

Yup

[steep elm]

Access to the market is a reward to meeting the quotas

[austere dock]

I wonder when the next city will be added

[warm cliff]

To be free - is to make a decision. Do you want to be a shield that will protect your friends and family?

MAKE THE RIGHT CHOISE THEN - JOIN THE VANGUARDS TODAY!

[atomic pebble]

Enact the rationing again

No need for unfair trades

[turbid viper]

how is it unfair

[steep elm]

How is it unfair

We have so much excess coal

[atomic pebble]

4 to 1 ratio

[steep elm]

Yeah

They are different resources

[warm cliff]

Don't tell me you believe 1:1 ratio is good

[bitter glacier]

no vandalism this time?

[atomic pebble]

Food isnt that valuable... you just need to learn where to find it smh

[warm cliff]

and only that should be acceptible

[turbid viper]

we pay 5 coal for 2 food with our hothouse each

and the manpower

[bitter glacier]

also is it possible to increase the amount of posters, would that do anything for us

[turbid viper]

its an additional 60% coal cost per food for not having to employ people

[steep elm]

Let's find it in the "poor frostlands" section of the frostlands instead of buying it from the people that are producing considerable amounts of it

[turbid viper]

lets find it in the frozen hellhole

[atomic pebble]

Transportation is still done by us or by them?

[turbid viper]

we can do both

methods

[steep elm]

I still will write out the consequences of it, I just need a less eventful turn, maybe next one will do

[bitter glacier]

also I thought I put the people who were on garrison to help with the expedition

[atomic pebble]

Finally someone that understands 🙂‍↕️

[steep elm]

Them

If we built a freight vehicle, it's both but it also becomes more efficient/less likely for something bad to happen

[steep elm]

I didn't really respond to that, but how exactly are you planning to do that

Logistics districts are already full and the Pit is for people that train to be scouts

[bitter glacier]

tbh I was just doing it cuz I promised it to the revenants 3000 years ago

it says theres 5 ppl on guard

is that just renamed patrol or

[steep elm]

No, it's from before when you guys were actually guarding stuff

[bitter glacier]

okay so

[warm cliff]

So we guard the stockpiles of guns and coal

Fucking great!

@bitter glacier execute order 66 /j

[bitter glacier]

I'm the one who gives that order

[warm cliff]

... :(

[bitter glacier]

pierre

go do order 66

[warm cliff]

It will be done my lord

shoots Wohn to death

-# obviously all of the above is a joke

[bitter glacier]

anyways,
@steep elm I'd like to take the 5 off garrison, 3 off coal complex, and 2 off stockpile guard, to a total of 10 vanguards for patrols

[marble hatch]

I would want to replace @atomic pebble 's Revenants in Log centre with Tusks and prepare for an another expedition to expand our possible places to visit

And I want to hold a rough match for 2 free Tusks until they're injured, so they'd be more efficient after their recovery, Perhaps it'd also reduce tension further but that's not the main goal

We have empty med post, so it won't be a problem

[bitter glacier]

what if the red plauge hits us next turn

[warm cliff]

sir please don't give haber and duke any ideas

[marble hatch]

Just tough it out lmao

[atomic pebble]

The Revs will further help in organising and planning the expedition.

[marble hatch]

I feel that you would not tolerate well longer expeditions

We put Revs on expedition during searches for survivors

[atomic pebble]

since you replaced my guys we are just doing the prep work, not the expedition

[marble hatch]

If something you'll just help us on City's medpost

[steep elm]

there won't be any actual effects on that if you're not hired in the log centre

[atomic pebble]

oh nvm then

[steep elm]

and you're getting replaced there so nothing that can be done

[atomic pebble]

there is one thing...

[marble hatch]

Fine, less people for med post then. Since you're so precautious

[warm cliff]

[open pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dancing-patrick-bateman-american-gif-5025646

[warm cliff]

Tony joining vanguards when

[steep elm]

[open pewter]

Never

[atomic pebble]

Neutrals leader

when?

/j

[marble hatch]

Also, @steep elm
Can I suggest updating the pit to Pit Grounds? Increase in size and add some small places for heating, so I could train my people to be more hardy? As another type aside from Vanguard post, so we wouldn't be able to have both trainings applied to those who are already trained?
Perhaps even add Ice pools and more place for our own medical procedures in cooperation with Revenants?

Maybe even so Tusks would maintain increase in efficiency after being injured in it at the cost of some tension?

[open pewter]

Soon.

[steep elm]

that'd be a building option

in the future

I'll note it down

[marble hatch]

Danke

[warm cliff]

:(

[marble hatch]

Somehow Nric still resists to recruit neutrals on Vanguards side

[atomic pebble]

low chance of recruitment on the neutrals since they opted to leave politics

[open pewter]

Cause im vony!

tends

[warm cliff]

Oh

Rifht

Sorry my bad

I'm a little eepy

Anyway

[open pewter]

yuh

[warm cliff]

Vony Tends joining Vanguards when

[open pewter]

never

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-cat-cat-freaky-cat-freaky-tongue-freaky-cat-tongue-freaky-tongue-gif-11560619178986255398

[warm cliff]

Пидорас ты, Воня >:(

[open pewter]

-# Translation?

[warm cliff]

-# "bitchassmothefucker, you are"

[open pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-cat-cat-freaky-cat-freaky-tongue-freaky-cat-tongue-freaky-tongue-gif-11560619178986255398

All groups are good and bad in their own ways

except the duke supporters, theyre bad

[dark marten]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[pseudo bay]

We have disdain, but not hate. Just frustration with people who do nothing but ignore our attempts to improve our relations

[bitter glacier]

I told haber we were gonna investigate the vandalism fyi

that and the posters have yet to see results

[pseudo bay]

Opened trade between the food colony and us
Have improved the city efficiency with foremen
Gave you improved housing design
Worked with the city to search for the vandal that CURRENTLY HAS AN AXE
and, has fixed your manpower issue

on top of this, we have improved tension and trust just by being here

[pseudo bay]

already know, I gave a decree, and more folks are helping with the search

danke

[dark marten]

We’re under equipped and underfunded.

Can we have some dosh?

[pseudo bay]

...who are you?

[dark marten]

Vanguards.

[pseudo bay]

Affiliation wise

Ah

no

[dark marten]

https://youtu.be/I6JZW7zMDfY

[pseudo bay]

Well look into helping

But we wont just

[dark marten]

Don’t ask why I had that ready.

[pseudo bay]

idk, give you funds?

[dark marten]

That’s fair.

[pseudo bay]

We could see about giving you equipment befitting of a constabulary

[dark marten]

Telescopic batons when?

If there is one thing I've learnt from Rimworld, it's that you need to make blunt weapons out of Uranium.

[pseudo bay]

what is your current armaments?

[dark marten]

Currently? A hodge podge of whatever we have at hand.

[pseudo bay]

how many rifles, anything else

[warm cliff]

1. The trade isn't really established so far.
2. Fair point, but there are other communities that can also do that
3. Fair point
4. Vandal appeared because of you
5. Not really?... I mean we gain more people thanks to the Frostlands
6. Not really as well. Tension dropped and Trust got higher due to our actions, not you

Also, how can we be sure it's a vandal who has an axe?

[pseudo bay]

its missing, no one on the workforce knows where it is, it has yet to show up.

[warm cliff]

It is true that it's missing. I'm just not sure that's exactly a vandal who took it.

Either way, it should be returned

[turbid viper]

6 rifles they have

[dark marten]

Yeah. 6 Rifles between 21 Vanguards.

[open pewter]

Never used those bows and Sabres btw

Useless donations

[steep elm]

yeah they were for the fight that didn't end up happening

[pseudo bay]

1. Its already unlocked, and can be established now, but its better if we go freight now and then establish it for the safety of the convoy
2. Yes, only you can also do this.
3. And? We are doing more than anyone else, and with our abilities, are having even more people help manage the peace and safety with you
4. You gamble. We have total certainty of transports and their numbers, and of what they can do.
5. Our ability directly makes any actions done more effective when it comes to Tension and Trust, and it wouldn't be as good if it wasnt for us because of this

[steep elm]

by that logic the rifles are also useless because we never actually used them

[austere dock]

5 handguns between 34 operators

[dark marten]

Vanguards will have to stop any fights with our fists currently, as the Spears aren't a great non-lethal option.

Though we might be able to equip the 5 Shields from the city.

[steep elm]

hit 'em with bows

[dark marten]

Proto-riot police?

[steep elm]

they are extremely heavy

[dark marten]

Hitting someone with a bow is less damaging than just punching them.

Trust me.

[bitter glacier]

are they our bows

[austere dock]

Point them at the people

[dark marten]

It is also liable to damage the bow.

[steep elm]

wouldn't use it unless war where you protect a position

[dark marten]

More than it is to damage them.

Though I suppose we could use the butt of the spears.

🤔

[steep elm]

Haber's now, he was gonna truly assign them when the war started

Didn't start, so it's still with him
you can make requests for unclaimed stuff though

[dark marten]

Can we request the Spears and Shields for the start of a proper town watch?

[steep elm]

again, I wouldn't use the shields for domestic stuff, too much of a hassle

[bitter glacier]

phalanx

[steep elm]

by the time you walk over to where it's needed, it's no longer needed

[pseudo bay]

The Ministers would love to aid in the formation of a neutral constublary

[steep elm]

Spears though, you can request them

[bitter glacier]

can we have our spears back then

[warm cliff]

1. Okay, fair point
2. Still, my point stands.
3. "Doing more than anyone else"- do you even hear yourself? There are 10 Ministers that are doing basically *nothing, while even other group has at least 80% of their people working somewhere. And I'm saying 80% only because of the Operators who also got some extra people. Take other answers everyone works and shows their worth while almost half of your people are slacking.
4. It's not a gamble. Frostlands are plentiful with both people and resources, which our scouts never fail to bring in the City. If it were - I wouldn't be even talking about it, then.
5. Yet again, take a look:
   — one change happened once we signed a treaty.
   — second change happened once we ended rationing
   — and third change happened once we made a pub.

And while you support in the second change was crucial, the last one was made by us, because most of the Ministers votes another way

[steep elm]

they are not slacking

that's the workplace where they requested more people

[turbid viper]

im making 5 excel spreadsheets

[dark marten]

Is that all?

[bitter glacier]

of?

[turbid viper]

have you tried making 5 excel spreadsheets without excel

[steep elm]

and they are also getting info from the Duke every day, status reports and such

[pseudo bay]

all ministers are employed

[steep elm]

well not the 10 that just got here

[dark marten]

Yeah. I use Google Sheets.

[turbid viper]

you see we here at the trade office are anti big tech and only use paper

[pseudo bay]

Ah, thought the graph said all

perfect

[austere dock]

Are the Ministers also anti AI but not anti automation?

[pseudo bay]

yes

[austere dock]

Valid

[turbid viper]

what is ai

[warm cliff]

No???

[turbid viper]

some sort of fruit

[austere dock]

Automation that had a synthetic brain

[pseudo bay]

until just now

[warm cliff]

[austere dock]

One would even say a a thinkijh automation

[bitter glacier]

their unemployed 10 didnt get a chance to get assigned jobs yet

they spawned in this turn

[pseudo bay]

Haber, any place unmanned atm?

[austere dock]

Same for our unemployed

[warm cliff]

That is still weird

[steep elm]

only reason the operators and revs got assigned is because they already had places planned to be manned before they arrived

[austere dock]

Clara hasn't been here since the post so we haven't been able to move them around

[dark marten]

Hope Clara's doing okay.

[austere dock]

This two

[bitter glacier]

I'd like all future vanguards to be assigned to patrol should our numbers increase

[steep elm]

you can put 5 more in the Office

[pseudo bay]

throw em in

[bitter glacier]

maybe we can use the remaining ministers as fuel for the generator
-# /j

[pseudo bay]

and the rest, id like to make as guards for our housing area with our guns

[steep elm]

ok

[turbid viper]

wow what a miraculous comeback for weapons

just did that on its own amazing

[austere dock]

From 0 to 6 in less than an hour

[austere dock]

Exactly what a comeback

[warm cliff]

Indeed

Amasing isn't it

[austere dock]

Oooor horrifying depending on which side of the barrel you are

[marble hatch]

If we hang him to the generator once again it'll be the last one

[marble hatch]

Haven't we voted to not allow anyone guns? Or I miss something? Did Duke broke the law by giving Administration and Operators guns?

[pseudo bay]

Vanguards have guns already

and the law is voided when there is no true constublary in place

its only fair that we get something to protect ourselves with

[bitter glacier]

we uphold the law just fine

[pseudo bay]

You are a political entity

Not the law

[bitter glacier]

we put people and protection above politics

you should know this as the duke's representative

[pseudo bay]

Yet there is no protection or fallback incase you arent.

The formation of a neutral constublary is the best course of action

[bitter glacier]

the vanguards have time and time again stated we prioritize the safety of the city and it's citizens

[pseudo bay]

Man it with neutrals or a mix of everyone, the removal of firearms and replaced with non-lethal weapons

[bitter glacier]

how do you expect to defend your people with non-lethals

when enemies are knocking on the door

ready to kill you

to shoot you

[pseudo bay]

words are nothing in face of time, i trust you people and your acts, but this is how you establish a safe and viable system

[bitter glacier]

to run you over

[marble hatch]

You're a Prime commander

[pseudo bay]

Inside the city, if we ensure there are no need for firearms, then there is no worry. Maybe an emergency team with lethal weapons, sure, but mass arming?

[bitter glacier]

what if there are others with tanks such as the duke's

and they come here

and we have nothing to defend ourselves with

[pseudo bay]

Meanwhile, a protection force, in case those Raiders appear would be good, but to ensure poltical neutrality, it should be manned by all

[austere dock]

When the time arrises, and the need for lethal force it should be used buuut no faction needs guns to begin with, especially when relations between factions is got great

[pseudo bay]

^

Ministers would gladly cast away their simple arms if a proper system is put into place

But there isnt one.

[bitter glacier]

speak for yourself, we enjoy great relations

[austere dock]

Not everyone is so happy with each other

[bitter glacier]

considering we are already the current guard force

[pseudo bay]

Only you, have ok or neutral relations

[austere dock]

And even some of your own members aren't that friendly with Minister's

[bitter glacier]

whom are actually trained

and respected by the people

it makes no sense to make a redundant force

[pseudo bay]

You are a political group.

[bitter glacier]

politics will always be second to protection

[austere dock]

Have the guards be a separate neutral organization

[bitter glacier]

its in our bloody name

[pseudo bay]

You could easily kill or force others, there is no guarantee

Your name can change

Your focus can change

[bitter glacier]

you insult my integrity and loyalty to the people

[pseudo bay]

Someone could replace you and force it

[open pewter]

vanguards are so cool
better than the dukes dogs

[pseudo bay]

No, you have shown great work and solid loyalty

But this does not change law

this does not change fact

There needs to be a true neutral guard

[bitter glacier]

nothing you can say can remedy the damage you have caused here

[austere dock]

You no, but some of your people strongly dislike the Ministers as a whole

[pseudo bay]

so no one has an upper hand

[bitter glacier]

good night haber city

[pseudo bay]

Repeated threats have done nothing but instill this.

[austere dock]

Exactly

There's a reason the Ministers set up their own guards around their houses

[open pewter]

-# mmm they know they'll be targeted for their crimes

[austere dock]

Threatening the Ministers does nothing for you, it doesn't change the past, it only makes the current situation worse for you and possibly your own group, same goes for threatening any other group, it only makes it more likely that others will dislike you, fighting the Ministers means they might ask for armed reinforcementd from the crown, or request it sent here for support

Which will lead to a much worse situation for you the Cornish citizens of this city

[bitter glacier]

tony isnt part of a group pretty sure

[austere dock]

This is a general statement to all not specifically anyone

-# Tony happened to be the last to send a message XD

[bitter glacier]

I will always be a haberian

[narrow oar]

i went to bed at a reasonable time

for once

and woke up to 50 fuckingh dms

[austere dock]

Very nice

Btw puppet moved some of her men to guard their houses, we also got 5 handguns

[pseudo bay]

really both of our houses, since they are together

[austere dock]

Fair fair

[marble hatch]

Should've made it 51😔

[marble hatch]

Maybe we'll find same language with Raiders

Give us some guns and we'll figure it out

So you won't blank shoot anyone and shove them in a furnace

[marble hatch]

When everyone is armed, no one is

[warm cliff]

No it's not.
For the whole existence of our City we were upholding the law and we were doing just fine. We seek no power nor glory. We seek only the fact that our city survives.

Such is the way of life here. A "neutral" constabulary will be under your control, meaning it can do anything and get away for any crimes they commit.

[warm cliff]

Oh please.
The Cornwall treaty gave you not only a bigger power but also to take control over people. And now you are telling us about that no one should have an upper hand?

[narrow oar]

-# i mean they are biased yes but

-# so are you?

-# "we seek NO power NO glory" is the ideal yeah but like

[verbal musk]

I go to sleep, Pierre complaining against the ministers
I wake up, Pierre complaining against the ministers

Or complaining overall

[narrow oar]

-# you must recognize that eventually someone might USE that elevated power

[verbal musk]

I can’t be bothered to read what happened here

[narrow oar]

-# everyone is biased pierre.

[turbid viper]

If you find a secret third state we can avoid the complaints

[verbal musk]

Secret third state?

[narrow oar]

the thing is, we do have a neutral group

maybe let THEM handle it

if noone can bloody decide

[verbal musk]

The one we’re trading with?

[turbid viper]

That's not sleeping nor waking

[sour stratus]

Wow the vote has really changed

[verbal musk]

Oh

I think that’s uhhh

[turbid viper]

Must've been the wind

It totally did that on its own without any secret interference

[austere dock]

Votes are at
9 for vehicle
7 for rifles
1 for prospecting

[open pewter]

Rigged

[verbal musk]

You mean…

Fair and balanced

With no outside interference

[sour stratus]

9? Isnt it 8?

[open pewter]

winston youre next on the chopping block

[austere dock]

3 Minister's votes

6 votes from that

+3 operator votes

[sour stratus]

They have 3 each?

[austere dock]

3 Minister's 2 votes each

[verbal musk]

Are you a tusk to hate me?

[austere dock]

2+2+2=6

[sour stratus]

Whos the third?

[verbal musk]

Puppet, Wohn, me

[sour stratus]

Forgot about that cat

[verbal musk]

That cat is the right hand man of the Baroness

[austere dock]

He's easy to hate anyways

[turbid viper]

I guess you could say I'm..
invisible

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-solid-phantom-pain-venom-snake-gif-5631901306578330322

[verbal musk]

-# I can almost hear it

[sour stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-get-you-gif-1834222127792525549

[austere dock]

-# it's funny how your name under haber city naming scheme is the same

[sour stratus]

Ikr?

[verbal musk]

False

[verbal musk]

False

[sour stratus]

You are false

[austere dock]

Ministers as a whole I'm fine with, Wohn specifically for other reasons besides being a minister (or Trad in the other city that's not important here)

[verbal musk]

Fair enough

[verbal musk]

False

[austere dock]

Wohn himself is easy to hate in this city XD

-# john in the other city is easy to hate for zeitgeist reasons, well here it's because of his own actions XD

Anyways society calls I have to do real life simulator now and get smarter at uni

[warm cliff]

Weeks go by
And yet you don't do shit

[verbal musk]

Dude

Literally above

These messages

Haber and Puppet debunked this theory

What MORE do you want

To solve the frost apocalypse?!

[warm cliff]

No I mean

you personally

Are doing jackshit

[verbal musk]

buddy

What do you want me to do

Like genuinely

[warm cliff]

Move the cargo, work somewhere since there are places that could use some extra hands

[narrow oar]

wh

by hand???

the cargo??? by hand???

[warm cliff]

What I meant is to be the one who will be moving that cargo when that lory from Duke will come

[narrow oar]

oh

[warm cliff]

Not just being a penpusher

Because that's the same as doing nothing

[narrow oar]

sure let winston be truck driver for when we make one

[warm cliff]

Though... if they would've done that, I would say that they would got a lot of respect from me
I mean if they are that bold and ready to work then I will take my words back

[warm cliff]

...is it sarcasm?-

[narrow oar]

not really

its just funny to me

[turbid viper]

Yes that is part of our job as stated by Haber

[warm cliff]

Which is good

[minor locust]

i know how to drive

[warm cliff]

who are you?

[verbal musk]

I'm steering right into the Eastern wall of Haber City not even one minute after I stepped into it

[minor locust]

english tommy english

[verbal musk]

he's

tommy french

in Haber City

trust

[minor locust]

antoine french

[verbal musk]

You cannot be serious bro

[verbal musk]

real?

[dark marten]

Eommy Tnglish.

[narrow oar]

Emmy Tanglish sure

[marble hatch]

One must imagine Raiders joining the Family

[marble hatch]

Dupon French

[warm cliff]

-# but some biased more and some biased less. And Ministers are much more biased then we are

[marble hatch]

"Politicals"

[marble hatch]

Genuinely I'd make you fight between each other in the Pit for City's amusement, but here we are

[marble hatch]

I still put hopes on steamcore sledges

[verbal musk]

You will never see me in one

Trust me

[dark marten]

That’s because we never see you do work at all!

[verbal musk]

False

[sour stratus]

Brodcats it through radio like WWE

[narrow oar]

why not

sounds fun

[sour stratus]

It is

[verbal musk]

I'll be killed

[sour stratus]

Whaaaat? Noooo

[verbal musk]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-злая-птица-gif-11035121084204696939

I'm looking at you, vile fish

[warm cliff]

I mean I will drag fish away once you are hit enough

[marble hatch]

A man can dream about Utopia

[warm cliff]

-# so he can hit you again in the future :3c /j

[verbal musk]

Which I bet a few shillings is when my skull caves in

[warm cliff]

...what the fuck is a heatstamp?

[minor locust]

i could drive trust

[sour stratus]

Why would i kill when i can use you as a punching bag and well if you die it will become more bornig

[verbal musk]

Animalistic brute with no human senses

Have you no reason?

[sour stratus]

Oh i do, thats why i dont want to kill you :]

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-planet-destroy-omni-man-destroy-gif-2220696173245155709

[sour stratus]

Because i could fight you over and over and over

[verbal musk]

In that case

You'll actually never see me inside one

[sour stratus]

Well willingly at least :3

[verbal musk]

I'm sure unwillingly too

[sour stratus]

-# The pit hungers winston

[marble hatch]

Weak

Pierre had guts to accept that challenge

[verbal musk]

Pierre's a vanguard

[warm cliff]

so?

[sour stratus]

Well what can ypu expect from a minister?

[sour stratus]

And?

[verbal musk]

He's well trained

[warm cliff]

I wasn't at the moment of the fight

[sour stratus]

Yeah

[marble hatch]

And Auraj is an archer who won in fist fight

[sour stratus]

:3

[verbal musk]

still doesn't change the fact that I'm not going in

[warm cliff]

tbh you need strong hands to be an archer... though still it was a good fight

strong hands and back, that is

[marble hatch]

[sour stratus]

Well yeah stong enough if ypu want to do some damage but hobestly it depends on the bow

[warm cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204848159088709652/1427343770969575604/shit_your_pants.gif

[verbal musk]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

On second thought

What is a thought

I only know a think

[marble hatch]

What's so bad about intentionaly breaking bones? They won't break in the bad moment

[verbal musk]

I can't push pens then

[marble hatch]

You know what
@steep elm can I also join the incoming pit event myself to become stronger from injuries with already assigned Tusks?

[steep elm]

Sure

[sour stratus]

Tag team pit fight

[narrow oar]

oh hey

i just noticed

both Orange and Green are colours that have Yellow as an Ingredient

waow

then again, the other ingredients would be

Red for the Ministers (?)
and Blue for us

which uh

idk

[marble hatch]

Hmm

[atomic pebble]

Ugh 180+ messages

[marble hatch]

[marble hatch]

Revenants help within the City
So there's some link between you and them

[sonic pivot]

wasnt jincent like an engineer

[atomic pebble]

-# Dont worry about it

[atomic pebble]

I have connections to all groups (:

[bitter glacier]

morning polaris

wait

no

haber city

mb gng

[atomic pebble]

-# Eric is that you?

Must have been the wind

[marble hatch]

WHO? WHERE?

[steep elm]

Walked into the wrong city

[verbal musk]

Who’s pola

[marble hatch]

Insert the survivor from Winterhome event

Interesting, could we vote on what drinks to make in the Pub

[dark marten]

Depends on what we have as a basis.

Fruit? Grain? Tubers?

[marble hatch]

Berries?
What type of berries

Shroom liquor

[atomic pebble]

Hard liquor, borderline the stuff we use in the infirmary

[marble hatch]

Nothing warms up and hardens the body as a bottle of ethanol

[atomic pebble]

So true brother

[marble hatch]

dies from kidneys failiure

[atomic pebble]

Dies too

[marble hatch]

@steep elm can I propose a vote to take the Pub under Tusks' management? I'm sure we'll make something more decent to satisfy people and warm them up

[sour stratus]

Moonshine?

[steep elm]

Revs already have the food bonus
You want to replace them when you don't have that much people?

[marble hatch]

Then handle it to revenants completely?

[dark marten]

Everyone wants the pub. 🤣🤣🤣

[atomic pebble]

You can just ask us to do stuff

[sour stratus]

Why wouldnt you?

[bitter glacier]

but not really tied bc ministers have plot armor and 2x votes

[dark marten]

Why would I want to run it when I can just eat and drink there?

[austere dock]

Vehicle won with the +3 votes

[steep elm]

@here

first things first, we caught a vandal - some witnesses and concrete proof that... a Vanguard, Sones Jtone was the one to paint the Grand Institute's walls. He was discovered by Neutrals acting out the Ministers' decree.
he'll be sent to prison, but you guys can discuss his wrongdoings before that. Or ask him about what he did. (he'll only be put into prison next turn, so for now, any questions go, after that, no one can ask him anything)

aside from that, it appears that Auraj has returned from a secret expedition, not having told anyone about it... his entourage having 14 Frostlanders suffering from severe frostbite. We will be spending a good amount of food to heal them. The first ones getting healed already consumed 5 Raw Food. Unfortunate timing for those Tusks to voluntarily get injured.

Our deficit has also increased to -2.2 raw food. We can solve it by having a new Trade Route in the market, which will be put up to vote.
We also have a freight vehicle now! will make trades work smoothly.

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[verbal musk]

Off with his head!

How many turns will he be there

[sonic pivot]

it was sones???

[dark marten]

I’ll go quietly, but only if Vanguards are present when they arrest me.

[atomic pebble]

Or we could build the last hothouse 🤔

[steep elm]

they'll be the ones getting you to jail

[dark marten]

As I’m in jail, I’m assuming I get no vote this turn.

[steep elm]

only next turn

you can still vote now normally

[dark marten]

Cool.

[austere dock]

STONE WAS THE VANDAL!?

[verbal musk]

Haber

How long will he be in prison

[steep elm]

4 weeks

a month

[verbal musk]

Only?!

[steep elm]

I'm still considering letting him vote anyway

[steep elm]

every hand is essential

as long as he gets reformed, he'll be welcomed back

[dark marten]

I’m happy to abstain whilst justice walks its course.

[bitter glacier]

what's the forum

[verbal musk]

Can he be watched for some time after he's let free

[bitter glacier]

it's just vandalism

[verbal musk]

To ensure he won't fall back into his old vices

[verbal musk]

"just"

A crime's a crime

[dark marten]

Old vices?! What - we can’t use red paint now?!

How am I ment to paint my Warhammer without red paint?!

[verbal musk]

Funny way of wording vandalism

[bitter glacier]

irl ppl only spend like a week or two max for just vandalism

[verbal musk]

irl

we're in a city where one bad link can cause destruction

[bitter glacier]

a crime is a crime but not every crime is a cardinal offense

[steep elm]

political building
meetings shall happen there
will improve our voting procedures in-canon by formalising it and will give us little trust bonuses and tension decreases... marginally though

[verbal musk]

Anything but Pit Grounds' good

[steep elm]

and will employ some bureaucrats

to take care of citizen stuff

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm I'll take one guy off coal for the prison and keep him there for the duration of Jtone's sentence

[steep elm]

like, recording their names, birthdates and stuff

[steep elm]

understood

[steep elm]

validating contracts and documents, marriages and stuff like that

paper stuff

organising our city

in-canon

[turbid viper]

All returns to frostpunk 1 rp

[verbal musk]

Sounds great

Let's go forum

[turbid viper]

can we stop injuring ourselves k thanks

[dark marten]

How else will we get the red paint?

[steep elm]

true

very essential for the vandal working class

[turbid viper]

We can develop so much with steel...

[verbal musk]

from the walls you used the paint on

[bitter glacier]

I'm not expending manpower to provide a parole detail for one vandal

[verbal musk]

yes but, forum's cooler

[dark marten]

If the steel works, then I’m all for it.

[marble hatch]

You have to vote for it to happen

[dark marten]

Put Sones Jtone on the case!

He’ll provide a constant vigil over Sones Jtone’s actions.

[bitter glacier]

are you asking to be your own parole officer

[turbid viper]

Maybe the solution is to prevent you from hurting yourself instead of integrating a medpost there

[dark marten]

Ask a joke — yes.

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/zootopia-ice-em-ice-them-gif-15277540

[steep elm]

I think I have a suggestion... have Jones Stone watch Sones Jtone

[marble hatch]

I'm Not letting ye to bother Family traditions

[verbal musk]

Who's Jones Stone?

[dark marten]

https://tenor.com/view/item-invasion-shattered-waters-ice-flower-mouth-is-back-unmuted-gif-10318105198471835134

[dark marten]

No clue.

[turbid viper]

Sorry but the fighting in a hole in the ground for no reason will stop

Go work for civilised society by making hard steel instead..

[bitter glacier]

actually @steep elm I'll take one off coal for the prison and two off for patrols

[bitter glacier]

they are decreasing tension wdym no reason

[steep elm]

so -3 on coal complex at the end of the day

[verbal musk]

When you word it that way, steelwork sounds better than forum

[bitter glacier]

and you don't get to decide what their group does

[turbid viper]

its slow, incremental change towards civilisation. you'll see it maybe someday...

[turbid viper]

I fail to see why that happens

[marble hatch]

If Wohn have any problems with it he knows how to prove his point

[turbid viper]

Shoot you ?

[warm cliff]

What's a Forum?

That's a first thing

[steep elm]

(didn't really work since they unknowingly slowed down the healing process for the people in grave conditions and will now only get healed in like, a month)
(but they had no way of knowing that)

[steep elm]

already answered

[sour stratus]

Thats a cowardly way to do it

[turbid viper]

like a court house

[warm cliff]

Second of all, due to it being a Sones - we will place him for a longer time in jail

[turbid viper]

or city hall

[steep elm]

I'll get the link

[turbid viper]

Too bad

[steep elm]

#1454153857092288763 message
#1454153857092288763 message
#1454153857092288763 message

[steep elm]

how much longer

[sour stratus]

So you are admiting to be a cowardly person?

[steep elm]

he's already going there for an entire month

[turbid viper]

Your labels are of no concern

[bitter glacier]

woah excuse me?

no, he'll serve 4 weeks as would any other vandal

just because he's a vanguard doesn't mean his sentence is better or worse

[marble hatch]

One day your musket will jam
My hands don't have such an issue

[warm cliff]

He betrayed the trust of the people

Being a Vanguard is being a person on whom the law holds

[bitter glacier]

he did no harm other than discoloration of some structures

[turbid viper]

wow

[bitter glacier]

he did not hurt anyone

anything

[turbid viper]

disrespecting civil order

is no joke nric

[sour stratus]

[marble hatch]

Kids are just having fun
Those walls would need some decoration anyway

[bitter glacier]

and he will face appropriate reparations as a Vanguard, but as a citizen he will be punished the same as everyone else

[bitter glacier]

I've encouraged the vandals to use posters instead of painting directly on the walls before

that I am fine with

[atomic pebble]

Just help me in improving the infirmary into a proper hospital

[marble hatch]

Pit grounds would make a fair meeting place too on my opinion

[sour stratus]

Haber fo we know what the pit gorunds wpuld do?

[bitter glacier]

I'd rather not hold votes in a dirt hole

[marble hatch]

The hell for we'd need forum

[turbid viper]

I'd rather we not have a big dirt hole at all

Health and safety hazard

[atomic pebble]

True minor graffiti shouldnt be punished so harshly

[sour stratus]

I reather woud not have dukes lackes in the city but here we are

[turbid viper]

One provides technology and development, the other is a hole

[verbal musk]

What will be those reparations?

[marble hatch]

@bitter glacier where's the judge trial on those who killed Tusks? Or it's now lower than a single drawing kid?

[narrow oar]

wait

[sour stratus]

The pit provides boost in scouting

[atomic pebble]

Its no different from a training centre

[narrow oar]

@bitter glacier @warm cliff YOU DIDNT KNOW THIS?

well god damn

[turbid viper]

maybe we should build a proper one instead then

[verbal musk]

I'm sure they did, but they'll deny it, as it's customary

[bitter glacier]

demotion and menial labour assignments

[marble hatch]

Yeah, steel works are deffinetly a hole in our material stockpiles

[narrow oar]

that was a mystery i wasnt gonna sure was gonna get solved

but god damn

did it get solved.

[steep elm]

The Pit Grounds is the first bit of this, without the medical stuff since that'd be really inefficient + it improved the "more efficient after hurt" thing of the Tusks, although doesn't make it permanent

[turbid viper]

Steel is a more effective material than raw iron

[atomic pebble]

Being outdoors is part of the training regime, your "improvement" will decrease from their training.

[turbid viper]

Having a building does not mean not having an outdoor area

[bitter glacier]

apparently all we learned from investigating the cave is that someone visited it after the whiteout so there's still no definitive proof

[narrow oar]

hey jon

what does the forum do

[steep elm]

Me

[steep elm]

Here

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm is there any more information we can get from investigating the cave again

[narrow oar]

oooo

[atomic pebble]

Show me proper plans and blueprints, otherwise it is just word of mouth

[steep elm]

You already got all you could

since the corpses disappeared, nothing additional can be done

[bitter glacier]

alrighty then

[turbid viper]

I'm going to be honest. I just have a strong personal conviction against holes in the ground

[verbal musk]

Disappeared?

What happened to them?

[marble hatch]

How did ye said it before... "Your labels are of no concern"?

[sour stratus]

[bitter glacier]

can I request a vote for a trial by jury of purely neutrals to occur next turn

[turbid viper]

Filling that primitive eyesore is a matter of honour for industrial society

[verbal musk]

Were they the ones you said about being fed to the Crown?

[steep elm]

If the forum gets built sure

[sour stratus]

YES

[turbid viper]

for whom

[verbal musk]

How could one be alive if

They were corpses

[bitter glacier]

the 5 Catanians found in the tusk cave

[sour stratus]

Not those my two tusks were alive

[turbid viper]

What evidence do you have to put them on trial

[steep elm]

They are now Operators by the way

[verbal musk]

So, they were all fed?

[bitter glacier]

none, which is exactly why I'm asking for the trial rn

[verbal musk]

Welp

[bitter glacier]

there's nothing more to investigate

[turbid viper]

so its a trial based on no evidence

[sour stratus]

Thrown into engine yes

[turbid viper]

all on personal bias

of the jury

[bitter glacier]

what if we ask @narrow oar to talk to those 5 found in the tusk cave

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-take-that-as-a-no-davy-jones-potc-gif-22529136

I see how it goes, steel fanatics

[atomic pebble]

Is there any problem in asking them?

[steep elm]

A trial with only one piece of evidence (the gun) won't be very productive I must say

[bitter glacier]

Wohn was too uncooperative to do so but clarry is actually pretty reasonable

[narrow oar]

-# id love being a jury member...

[turbid viper]

https://tenor.com/view/tatasteel-frissewindnu-i-jmuiden-wijkaanzee-gif-25407655

[narrow oar]

buck bumble :3

[bitter glacier]

right about now it's time to rock

with the bicity buck bumble

[narrow oar]

i can... try?

look im gonna be honest i dont think

[bitter glacier]

that's more than what Wohn did

[narrow oar]

its gonna come out to much

but uh

sure wtv

[austere dock]

It's Wohn don't expect much from him

[dark marten]

Much — if anything.

[bitter glacier]

true...

[turbid viper]

i follow orders

from above

[dark marten]

Can I have something to keep me productive whilst in the Gaol?

Do some maintenance or something.

[turbid viper]

The idleness is a punishment I'd presume

[narrow oar]

maintaining

what

[dark marten]

Idleness doesn’t help the city any.

[turbid viper]

It builds punishment

[bitter glacier]

you can mop the prison courtyard when it rains

[dark marten]

Cleaning parts.
Sanding things.

Anything.

[turbid viper]

For the imprisoned

Reducing chance of reoffending

[marble hatch]

You burned the most evidence - corpses, no way you haven't investigated why they were wiped out
We can get information and your paper-whatever reports about activities
Get those operators to finaly speak, and add you to the trial for trying to hide information

[dark marten]

Having someone sit there doing nothing to contribute will not reduce the chance of offending. Having them clean gutters or shovel snow will.

[narrow oar]

we will give you really fine sandpaper so you can make your prison bars all shiny

[bitter glacier]

Vanguards are against the idea of idling so much Vanguards automatically help around if idle

[turbid viper]

The quality of work is the same as being free

[turbid viper]

which is why its a good punishment for a vanguard

[dark marten]

;-;

Why are you so mean to me Wohn?

[turbid viper]

Law and order

[bitter glacier]

I already said he would be demoted and reassigned to menial labour once released from the prison

[bitter glacier]

that's our thing

[turbid viper]

Extrajudicial punishment

[narrow oar]

fp2 brick carrier real...

[turbid viper]

you do not have a hegemony on that

-# Unlike us having a hegemony on the factory

[bitter glacier]

we're the guards of the city that's quite literally our job

we also control the prison

[turbid viper]

Its not legally confirmed by vote

[bitter glacier]

we are the de facto guard force

[turbid viper]

you are a paramilitary thats not dejure it though

[warm cliff]

NO

[narrow oar]

oh

damn

[austere dock]

Oof

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm what does the pit upgrade do anyway

[steep elm]

.

[warm cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102976131503763496/1468592148868890646/taynk.gif

your head will be next with that type of shit

[verbal musk]

I’m sure it won’t

It would be VERY unwise to kill me

[warm cliff]

As well as saying anything like what you said so far

[verbal musk]

You house criminals within your faction

Don’t lecture me on what’s wise or not

[dark marten]

What crime is worse.
Vandalism or halting production?

[verbal musk]

What does halting production have to do with this

[warm cliff]

He will be dealt with according the law and our communal desicions

[warm cliff]

Silence.

[verbal musk]

And how do we make sure that he’ll get punished accordingly

And not get pardoned due to “being needed”?

[warm cliff]

It will be decided.

[verbal musk]

Alright then

[bitter glacier]

because we aren't crooks

we aren't traitors

we stay by our word

and we stand with the people

[verbal musk]

After the last few events

I doubt you can be trusted

[bitter glacier]

why is that?

the vandalism?

you judge the whole faction based on the actions of one member?

you judge me based on one of my people's doing?

[atomic pebble]

☝️ This argument is why the Revs are pissed only with Wohn and not the Entirety of the ministers

[verbal musk]

Oh how does this seem familiar

You ALL judge the ministers like the devil due to Wohn and the Duke

But when I do it

It’s wrong

[verbal musk]

I don’t see that being true

[bitter glacier]

all ministers have double voting power

[verbal musk]

Everyone bad mouths the entire minister faction

[bitter glacier]

it's inherently unfair

[verbal musk]

Everyone has their own gimmick

[bitter glacier]

6 people could vote for something but if the 3 ministers want smth else they get it

[verbal musk]

Ours is double votes and bureaucracy

[bitter glacier]

yeah, FAIR gimmicks

not ones that functionally disrupt the player made choices

[verbal musk]

Double votes is fair

[bitter glacier]

it is, by definition, unfair

[verbal musk]

You know what, why don’t you join us if you want double votes so much too?

[bitter glacier]

I don't want double votes

I want everyone to have one

[verbal musk]

I want cows too

[bitter glacier]

that's fairness

[verbal musk]

But they’re all gone

We can’t get everything we want in life

[bitter glacier]

the whole point of voting is that each person gets a fair say in things

double votes ruins that

[bitter glacier]

except you can

because you have double votes

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-original-gangster-disrepect-on-this-day-the-day-of-my-daughters-wedding-gif-8539584145684465298

[bitter glacier]

you have veto power to be used at your discretion

[verbal musk]

You’d rather have the Duke have complete control over all?

[bitter glacier]

you have theoretically infinite membership and supplies from the duke

[verbal musk]

Double votes won’t give me cows

[bitter glacier]

and you have your decrees which can make other people's communities do something they don't want

[verbal musk]

The Baroness only has it

[bitter glacier]

but you all have double votes

[verbal musk]

Theoretically, not in practice

[bitter glacier]

so even if we manage to make a supermajority and get more votes for smth y'all don't want

you can just veto it anyways

the fact you find this fair says a lot about you

[verbal musk]

The Baroness sees the clearest among the people
The Baroness is the brightest among the people

[bitter glacier]

mainly you are incapable of empathy or enforcing justice if it's inconvenient for you

[verbal musk]

We’re only three people in our faction

[verbal musk]

I don’t know what you expected when you signed that deal with the Duke

YOU agreed to it

You suffer from it

[dark marten]

Three is the largest amount any faction has.

[verbal musk]

Your own choices got you here

[dark marten]

You match two other factions in vote weight.

[verbal musk]

You’re looking at eachother individually. 3 from ALL the people is not a lot

[bitter glacier]

we were practically forced to sign at gunpoint

[atomic pebble]

Litteraly didnt do any bad action against the Ministers and Operators
We are just Skeptical about the new groups intentions.

[verbal musk]

It was either total subjugation

Or this

It’s not about fair, you know? It’s about survival

You’ll see one day that the brightest future we would have ever had is with the Duke

[warm cliff]

Duke will die any week by now

[verbal musk]

I can be paranoid too

Plus

[warm cliff]

I wonder what will kill him

[verbal musk]

I do NOT see

Anyone not saying anything bad

[warm cliff]

His arrogance or his bad health

Or both

[verbal musk]

Against the Duke

[warm cliff]

[verbal musk]

As Pierre just proved it

Everyone is insulting the ministers and the Duke, finding every small reason, be it true or false

[warm cliff]

Because you are an alien

[verbal musk]

Zeep zorp

[warm cliff]

An uneducated alien.

[verbal musk]

Oh my days

This guy

[marble hatch]

"You suffer from it"

Another faction member proposes to not feed, to not shelter and to not heal administration members since it isn't stated in cornwall agreement

[warm cliff]

speaking of which

[verbal musk]

And the Duke returns and runs Haber City over

[warm cliff]

Tarry's right

[warm cliff]

By that time you will be looking on your beloved duke from a wall of our city

feet dangling

[steep elm]

[verbal musk]

And you’ll be crushed under tons of steel

Or maybe

[bitter glacier]

request to increase tension by 1/2 to accurately reflect haber city discussions

[steep elm]

Not going to lie the Vanguards are ruining their own reputation daily now

Seriously considering having their guns confiscated

[narrow oar]

-# yknow, someone is probably spying on us but