🧊Frost Mini - Haber City

[turbid viper]

i dont think we'll be told that

we'll need to try it as a counternegotiation

[atomic pebble]

Why are you guys soo keen on keeping haber?

[turbid viper]

but that allows them to get the drop on us

if the negotiations fail

no warning

just instant war

[atomic pebble]

Im more bothered with the resources

[turbid viper]

the delegation gets killed

[fickle linden]

we will have the upper hand if we get the drop on them

and declare war first

[turbid viper]

with what lmao

5 guns

[fickle linden]

our fists and willpower

[turbid viper]

and 1/6th of the city being rebels

[turbid viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546130202225278976/1250191959763583106/watermark.gif

[steep elm]

there was that one "you'll have a faction here" proposal

without making them all live in our city

[fickle linden]

with the power of friendship in haber city

we can overcome any foe

if every factions unites

we can win this war!

[narrow oar]

oh.

right uh

we may be a bit screwed

buuuut

[turbid viper]

if we do a counteroffer i think we should switch the negotiators (again)

[narrow oar]

we can try again?

not you.

[warm cliff]

Yes

We can

And I'm forced to work on it now

[turbid viper]

we either send the revenants or the tusks

tusks no

because

yknow

their whole

hostage obsession

[bitter glacier]

if we try again and they dont like the deal they will kill us

[steep elm]

Oh, and

Haber is not going to let you vote on the proposal that gets sent this time

You guys can send your proposals here, but he'll choose which one to send since the city is in danger

[atomic pebble]

What is Haber opinion on this?

[bitter glacier]

we can gamble one last time, fight them, or submit

and if the gamble fails they force their deal on us or kill us

[narrow oar]

okay so

fuck

[fickle linden]

fellas we may have to accept there's no getting out of this without spilling blood

even if we are all destroyed and exploded

if we kill 1 of them

then that's all that matters and I die happy

the only tragedy if we all die is we won't get to build Tony more housing

[narrow oar]

i dont want us to die.

but i also dont want to be a "vassal" or whatever to the old guy

so uh

what

[bitter glacier]

god damn it

I really thought our counteroffer would work

[narrow oar]

hm

@steep elm any specific resource they value the most

maybe

coal?

[bitter glacier]

but apparently that combined with my negotiation skills brought us to a worse position than before

[steep elm]

Idk

[bitter glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-gif-94850045369660216

[narrow oar]

oh come the fuck on

eric did you learn

ANYTHING?

[steep elm]

You could make a vague term like "Quotas of a single resource of the Duke's choosing" or something like that

It doesn't need to be too specific

[narrow oar]

okay

what are we currently stockpiling

atm.

[steep elm]

Food and wood

Not coal since the Vanguards got out of the mines
Not iron since it got used a bunch for the walls and weapons

[bitter glacier]

they hate frosties

[narrow oar]

okay

[bitter glacier]

and dont wanna live here because of that

[atomic pebble]

Duke is Prejudiced against Frostlanders and wont be living here

[narrow oar]

how big is our coal stockpile?

[turbid viper]

wow i called it

[steep elm]

We have enough for like, 2 weeks with no production

[narrow oar]

okay.

and we have 2 cores right?

[steep elm]

Since we just got out of a whiteout which used up a bunch of it

[turbid viper]

what if we make him a gated community or something

[steep elm]

1

[narrow oar]

give me until im home

[atomic pebble]

Plus they lost their main city to a frostlander group

[narrow oar]

perfect.

[fickle linden]

the next GIF I send is my final petition for what we will do next

[turbid viper]

didnt it explode

[fickle linden]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-kamikaze-explosion-gif-15875063139611313358

[steep elm]

Well, they lost their city to an explosion

[turbid viper]

due to factors 'beyond their control'

[atomic pebble]

3 of them

[fickle linden]

anyway

[narrow oar]

so.

[fickle linden]

ummm

[narrow oar]

what we know

the duke wants to have their own new city right?

[bitter glacier]

the duke just wants control over ours and our stuff

[fickle linden]

since he hates frostlanders so much, do we exile them to try and convince the duke to stay?

[atomic pebble]

Let me repharse a frostlander group did something bad to the Duke, now he preffer to live away from them.

[pseudo bay]

lmao

[turbid viper]

yknow, we have to think about the greater good

[atomic pebble]

-# Crazy right

[turbid viper]

not just our 'independence'

but about the survival of humanity

and ours too since we wont get blown to bits

and we will get tech

[narrow oar]

but at what fucking cost

[turbid viper]

the cost is we lose a figurehead

[sour stratus]

Hmm

[pseudo bay]

keeping your life

[fickle linden]

our resources and dignity

[pseudo bay]

smh

ungratefuls

the lot of you

[turbid viper]

you people are moralists

wouldnt survive the frostlands

[fickle linden]

puppet is the duke

calling it

[atomic pebble]

-# We steal their tech, like China did and become one of the big players and turn everything around

[warm cliff]

@steep elm Do Vanguards still partake in the negotiations? In that case I would request a change from Nric to me

[pseudo bay]

but yeah

dont fuck this up

[turbid viper]

duke wraford cright

[narrow oar]

okay.

[turbid viper]

we're cooked

say your prayers

[narrow oar]

im drafting up a proposal when i get home

i will get second opinions.

i will get third opinions.

[pseudo bay]

"we accept your deal but want to keep the frostlanders"

[narrow oar]

i will even get FOURTH opinilns

[pseudo bay]

easy, gg

[turbid viper]

there was nothing about the frostlanders in the original deal

[fickle linden]

what about 5th?

[turbid viper]

they dont want them to be deported

[pseudo bay]

Oh? nvm then

[atomic pebble]

I dont think they demanded for the frostlanders to leave

[bitter glacier]

unless we want to gamble with a war while 1/6th of the population is noncompliant, the only real option here is to accept their offer

[pseudo bay]

fuck the frostlanders

[turbid viper]

its just replacing haber with a governor

and quotas

in exchange we get tech

[pseudo bay]

good deal

[narrow oar]

we will see

[turbid viper]

yeah !

[pseudo bay]

*and your lives

[turbid viper]

that too

[turbid viper]

waow... based

[atomic pebble]

And the hostages

[pseudo bay]

rightright

[timid sandal]

But mainly

the tech

[sonic pivot]

i think the winston poposal was the best we can get

[pseudo bay]

whats that?

[bitter glacier]

should we attempt to negotiate once more, Iierre Plsak will manage the negotiations, assuming Vanguards are still in charge of that

[turbid viper]

we can increase our balance beyond what we get taxed

[atomic pebble]

-# Small details or smth

[fickle linden]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-meme-rambley-indigo-park-yeet-gif-7070409855638406499

[turbid viper]

#1454153857092288763 message

[timid sandal]

I feel like if we keep doing this they will make the deal worse or smth

I don’t think we can use “just better deal” infinitely

[bitter glacier]

well once again if they dont like the second counteroffer we get shot

[atomic pebble]

Bet there still is some conflict happening on the frostlands

[bitter glacier]

so like

its either gamble, gamble, or submit

[turbid viper]

die, gamble or live

[pseudo bay]

Yeah, this is a safe bet, trust

[sonic pivot]

i was out speeded 😔

[pseudo bay]

orrr

[fickle linden]

if there's anything I learned about this community

[pseudo bay]

just

[fickle linden]

it's always gamble

[pseudo bay]

accept the og deal

[turbid viper]

yeah

[sonic pivot]

NEVER

[pseudo bay]

keep your lives

and not loose it all to pride

[turbid viper]

pride cometh before fall

[fickle linden]

im gonna lose it all to pride

[pseudo bay]

Pride cometh before the fall

[sonic pivot]

we need some haber representation

[verbal musk]

Thanks

[pseudo bay]

Hes governor, perfect representation

[verbal musk]

Duke glaze work

[turbid viper]

guys this city is like not even a year old

its not worth dying for

[bitter glacier]

I dont want to but I genuinely dont see another way out of this that isnt a straight up gamble

[atomic pebble]

Partisan tactics work best against superior firepower 😔

[turbid viper]

just live

[turbid viper]

well partisan tactics require a foreign backer

[fickle linden]

we should blow up the generator and make everone adapt and since the duke is so progress pilled they will leave.

frostlander victory

[warm cliff]

No.

[atomic pebble]

I mean more that if their governor fuck up, it is on then and not us

[bitter glacier]

-# Triumphant pride precipitates a dizzying fall*

[turbid viper]

partisans will get royally destroyed on this scale

obliterated to smithereens

[pseudo bay]

There is no other way

They know what they want, you keeping your titles and lives are just a disposable bonus at the end of the day

become a vassel state, live, and grow from there

is it really that bad to kneel to your king?

trust frfr

[turbid viper]

tarred and feathered

drawn and quartered

[sonic pivot]

but iirc the og deal js replaces haber with duke

[bitter glacier]

I'd rather not be subjugated actually

[turbid viper]

to our duke

[turbid viper]

i'd rather not die actually

[pseudo bay]

wompwomp

[atomic pebble]

-# We will see about that

[fickle linden]

also takes all our resources

[turbid viper]

not all

just a quota

and the technology will make up for it

so we come out better

[fickle linden]

wwe will get luxury plumbing

[turbid viper]

our quality of life will improve

[pseudo bay]

it imposes a quota for things, while you get advanced tech and steam core eff

[sonic pivot]

it is bad

[turbid viper]

the only thing we're losing is 'sovereignty' which we have none in the face of the frost

[narrow oar]

also wont the votes stop if haber is no longer boss?

[pseudo bay]

wompwomp frostie, take the knee or the bullet

[turbid viper]

its better to have control over your physical fate

[turbid viper]

no

[fickle linden]

I feel as if the answer is one no one wants to admit. Adapt to the frost and accept the frost

[turbid viper]

i mean

[sonic pivot]

bullet

[bitter glacier]

theoretically they would

[pseudo bay]

hes still Governor

[turbid viper]

haber doesnt need to give us vote

[dark marten]

If we do accept the original deal, can we still hang 1-in-10 settlers for obstructing the factory first?

[bitter glacier]

[dark marten]

Wohn included.

[pseudo bay]

yes??

[bitter glacier]

their original deal replaces haber

[turbid viper]

the governor can also give us votes

[turbid viper]

no

[pseudo bay]

Ah

[narrow oar]

yeah

[turbid viper]

nothing was stated about haber governor

[pseudo bay]

its Winstons deal

[narrow oar]

thats why we hate it.

[pseudo bay]

right

[bitter glacier]

which is why we dont like it

[turbid viper]

i place survival above haber

[sonic pivot]

i was right

[pseudo bay]

just make that simple amendment

[steep elm]

Smh puppet can't read

[fickle linden]

@steep elm who is more accepting of Frostlander ideals? duke or haber

[pseudo bay]

Haber is governor

[narrow oar]

ill draw up a

[dark marten]

I place Haber above your survival.

[steep elm]

Haber

[pseudo bay]

thats all you request

[turbid viper]

Duke is reasonable

[fickle linden]

i will die for haber then

[turbid viper]

(doesnt like frostlanders)

[narrow oar]

an addendum version to their first draft

when im home

[bitter glacier]

yeah okay except half the things they want is control and if we screw up a second counteroffer we die so

[fickle linden]

haber my leader

[atomic pebble]

I dont think the Duke would want that

[fickle linden]

will stay in power

[turbid viper]

cant we just say 'okay but haber is governor'

and they have a plenipotentiary to supervise haber

[narrow oar]

that they get the core if we keep haber as govenor

[turbid viper]

with veto powers

[pseudo bay]

they want the city first and foremost

[narrow oar]

duke chosen governor

[turbid viper]

like a dominion PM-governor dynamic

[steep elm]

One of your first proposals with the new Duke Faction was like

The closest thing we got to keeping haber in a reasonable way

[sour stratus]

Man i feel so bad about this situation

[narrow oar]

[sonic pivot]

a revised winston proposal i think would be best

[narrow oar]

AND I GOT SLAMMED FOR THAT ONE?

[fickle linden]

we will rescue youu

[narrow oar]

What a load of-

[pseudo bay]

yeah, by these barbarians

smh

join the Duke, Clara

[bitter glacier]

yeah I'm sorry I screwed up the negotiations

[pseudo bay]

we have tea and biscuits

[sour stratus]

Look im the reason why this is so difficult

[pseudo bay]

and Yuri

[bitter glacier]

I really thought I had something

[pseudo bay]

trust

[turbid viper]

long live the Settlers and the Redcoats

[sonic pivot]

no ur not

[narrow oar]

i dont know about that one tbf...

[turbid viper]

dont die for an idea

[pseudo bay]

:3

[narrow oar]

like the old man hardly speaks as "progressive" to me

[steep elm]

[fickle linden]

I will

[turbid viper]

live for tommorow

[narrow oar]

in that way

not in the

Progress way

but the

yknow what i mean

[turbid viper]

he's the embodiment of

smh

my head

[fickle linden]

HORRIBLE

[narrow oar]

refer to my last block of messages

[pseudo bay]

behind closed door the man wont care, trust

[turbid viper]

i did

[fickle linden]

I HATE PROGRESS

I LOVE ADAPTATIOn

[sonic pivot]

if we had a good chance of winning the fight i wouldnt think about the hostages

[turbid viper]

as long as the quotas are met

[atomic pebble]

I think you forgor about

[narrow oar]

problem is if the duke runs the show we will probably

[sour stratus]

Yeah if they didnt have hostages they would have a less of a levrage

[turbid viper]

merit?!?!

[narrow oar]

not get new factions

[fickle linden]

what will we be to the duke but slaves?

[pseudo bay]

such rabble rousing, goodness, you really you think of keeping... these elsewhere

[turbid viper]

its not duke direct rule

[pseudo bay]

citizens?

[turbid viper]

the governor can be some

liberal guy

that just doesnt care

[steep elm]

Quite literally his vision about frostlanders here, he doesn't want to live with them but don't care if the quotas are being completed by them

[atomic pebble]

Yep Duke feels merit

[turbid viper]

very reasonable!

[sonic pivot]

hell nah

the duke is gonna do some overseer shi

[narrow oar]

smth smth disco elysium Ultraliberal

[sonic pivot]

we gon be second class workers or smth

[turbid viper]

our enlightened autocracy that permits democracy by his whim vs their barbaric autocracy that can also permit democracy

[narrow oar]

dont have it in me to make a joke atm

[pseudo bay]

does he?

[pseudo bay]

@sonic pivot

look!

[turbid viper]

we'd all die if this was how frost radio operated

doomed by moralism

[pseudo bay]

Our duke is a very generous man, who will see all as citizens in his state

[sonic pivot]

still second class

[turbid viper]

how second class

he doesnt care

[fickle linden]

all of you are spineless

[pseudo bay]

you are all the same class

[fickle linden]

smh

[turbid viper]

we're all equal under labour

and taxes

[pseudo bay]

you're barbaric and senseless

youd rather die?

[turbid viper]

and you're about to be dead

[fickle linden]

die in horrible ways like real haber citizens

[pseudo bay]

doom haber?

[turbid viper]

so who's really the winner

[sonic pivot]

if he viewed us as equals the demands wouldnt be that harsh

[pseudo bay]

You arent, no one is

[narrow oar]

• Claras idea

[turbid viper]

he doesnt because he has a big vehicle with weapons and we dont

[pseudo bay]

and thats how that works

hes a duke

you?

[turbid viper]

the frostland is not egalitarian

[pseudo bay]

are a nobody

[turbid viper]

rule of the big stick

[open pewter]

when will there be a housing faction

[turbid viper]

might makes right

no rules based order

[sonic pivot]

exactly

second class

[pseudo bay]

join the duke, and well talk

[pseudo bay]

you already are second class

you've been so since the start

[sonic pivot]

nuh uh

[pseudo bay]

Haber is your duke, you listen to him, he has supreme authority

[sonic pivot]

that aint true

[pseudo bay]

you are NOTHING before him

[turbid viper]

this whole thing started because we intruded on a man's personal space

[sonic pivot]

haber is quite democratic

[fickle linden]

I feel like Haber city is a social experiment to test concepts for FrostRadio

[turbid viper]

we live here on his whim

[turbid viper]

he can just not do that

[sonic pivot]

the vanguards would size him

[turbid viper]

so much for respect for haber

[pseudo bay]

You are worth less than the coal you stand upon

[turbid viper]

so he is replacable then?

[pseudo bay]

Listen to those of sense!

trust the Haber and Duke plan

[fickle linden]

this is what the duke wnats

[sour stratus]

[fickle linden]

us to be mindless

[atomic pebble]

because someone refused to make weapons

[turbid viper]

"It has come to my attention that some have lately called me a collaborator, as if such a term were shameful."

"I ask you, what greater endeavor exists than that of collaboration?"

"In our current unparalleled enterprise, refusal to collaborate is simply a refusal to grow—an insistence on suicide, if you will."

[sonic pivot]

well no but i would rather have someone less capable but accountable

[turbid viper]

"Did the lungfish refuse to breathe air? It did not."

[fickle linden]

kneeling to the whims of those will a slightly larger vehicle

[turbid viper]

"It crept forth boldly while its brethren remained in the blackest ocean abyss, with lidless eyes forever staring at the dark, ignorant and doomed despite their eternal vigilance."

[fickle linden]

we have a city

[turbid viper]

"Would we model ourselves on the trilobite?"

"Are all the accomplishments of humanity fated to be nothing more than a layer of broken plastic shards thinly strewn across a fossil bed, sandwiched between the Burgess shale and an eon's worth of mud?"

[fickle linden]

what do they have but an oversized tractor?

[turbid viper]

"In order to be true to our nature, and our destiny, we must aspire to greater things. We have outgrown our cradle. It is futile to cry for mother's milk, when our true sustenance awaits us among the stars [frostlands]"

[steep elm]

Guns

[turbid viper]

"And only the universal union that small minds call 'The Duke' can carry us there."

"Therefore I say, yes, I am a collaborator. We must all collaborate, willingly, eagerly, if we expect to reap the benefits of unification."

[fickle linden]

I have a request haber

[sonic pivot]

smh we should have thrown you in the gennie the first time we dangled you above it 😔

[fickle linden]

can I start my own version of the londoner movement?

self exile if you will

[steep elm]

That's me

[fickle linden]

and try to grab as many people

[turbid viper]

in hindsight i saved you all from attacking them on sight and dying

[steep elm]

Here

-# /j

[sonic pivot]

in hindsight you brought him here

[turbid viper]

too bad

[pseudo bay]

in hindsight, wompwomp

[fickle linden]

we can take tthe resources

and start a new

[turbid viper]

you voted for it

democratically

[fickle linden]

away from old Haber city

and create

New

Haber city

[pseudo bay]

youre boxed in

where do you flee? theres only walls

a self imposed cage

You buried your own grave

[sonic pivot]

i did the exiling

[fickle linden]

we can climb to the west

[pseudo bay]

-# join the duke, and live a lavish life!

[atomic pebble]

haber didnt wanted to lose his leadearship

[sour stratus]

You are a duke defender?

[fickle linden]

ever since puppet talked here yeah

[steep elm]

She has been a duker from day 1

[turbid viper]

duke patriot

duke truther

[pseudo bay]

im with the duke, yes.

[sour stratus]

Damn i expected more

[pseudo bay]

ive came with him to civilize the barbaric wastes

[atomic pebble]

traitor

[pseudo bay]

more like hero

[turbid viper]

wah wah wah

[pseudo bay]

all of you are blinded by pride and ego

[turbid viper]

traitor to what

a year old city

that was started by frostlander thugs barging into the city

that haber couldnt remove

im loyal to the survival of humanity

[atomic pebble]

"Humanity"

[turbid viper]

yeah humanity

not to defeatist tribalists that want to scully in the excrement of the frost for subsistence

[dark marten]

You’re loyal to the Duke’s brown bud.

[turbid viper]

but to the humanity that wants to retake the world and build civilisation once again

and for that to occur, one needs technology

one needs ambition

one needs leadership

provided by the duke

[fickle linden]

one needs to blow up the generator

and adapt

[pseudo bay]

insanity

[turbid viper]

haber city is maybe a lost cause

[atomic pebble]

you want to remake what once was, frostlanders are the ones who trully are looking up the Humanity long term survival

[turbid viper]

by what?

[steep elm]

How did this become a vs discussion

[turbid viper]

chaining yourself to whatever meagre subsistence you can get from the frost?

hoping that it might allow you to live another day instead of taking control over your own fate?

[fickle linden]

what has progress done for us except prep us for subjugation?

adaptation is the only way forward for our independence and survival

[turbid viper]

it all returns to progress vs adaptation

[atomic pebble]

better than killing off our future

[turbid viper]

soon we will mention cost of hope

[atomic pebble]

always more and more until there is nothing left

[fickle linden]

you prefer to suckle the teet of someone who represents a bygone era?

im losing my mind personally

[turbid viper]

i prefer to be part of a civilisation that has the means to advance society

beyond simple survival

[atomic pebble]

we can advance society towards facing our current world, and not some nostalgic nonsense

[pseudo bay]

perfect

[warm cliff]

Also, everyone will be leaving the negotiations.

And I mean.

Everyone.

I will be handling the talks.

Alone

[steep elm]

Just one person?

Or the usual 7 person group

[atomic pebble]

you guys already messed up

[warm cliff]

If something happens with the delegation - it will be only me. Not a group of people.

[atomic pebble]

no deal

[steep elm]

Last time it was also 2 revenants

[fickle linden]

I can handle the talks. surely i who am a war monger will be able to establish friendship with the duke

[turbid viper]

give me the talking stick trust

[warm cliff]

One person.

[turbid viper]

im the duke's top guy

[steep elm]

Well, you do you

[fickle linden]

you'll be taken hostage too

[steep elm]

Other leaders can do a poll to refuse this though

[warm cliff]

Oh, they can try.

[fickle linden]

you're not him

[steep elm]

Mate, it's 4 soldiers with rifles

[warm cliff]

Fine, in that case if someone wants to go with me - let them go

But Jincent and Nric are going back in the city. I'm not willing to risk their lives.

@steep elm What time we reopen the negotiations?

[steep elm]

It can be 7 Vanguards then

[steep elm]

When poll ends, tomorrow, and Haber will choose a proposal before that

[warm cliff]

Just need to know because at this time <t:1769950800:s> I will go offline for a couple of hours

[steep elm]

That's 10 am for me

Wait

[warm cliff]

shit

[steep elm]

Tomorrow (saturday) or Sunday?

[warm cliff]

saturday

I meant saturday

[steep elm]

Ok

[warm cliff]

It's just already 0:30 at my place

And instead of sleeping and geting rest

I'm forced to do this shit

[steep elm]

Anyway, when you return we can do it if possible

[warm cliff]

I will try to come back asap

[steep elm]

Or you can pass it to Sones Jtones

Or return the thing to the revenants

[warm cliff]

No.

None of them are capable.

No offence, Jincent

[dark marten]

Oof.

[warm cliff]

But if we are talking about negotiations, I'm afraid I'm the only person who is actually capable of doing something

[dark marten]

Ouch.

[warm cliff]

I have a lot of experience

Sadly

[pseudo bay]

nah, send Wohn

trust

[warm cliff]

From the situations like those

[narrow oar]

-# i dont want to have made all of these fancy graphics for it to end here

[steep elm]

Vincent actually made things much better for the city

[atomic pebble]

Revenant counter offer:

we:

become their "vassal"

replace Haber with a governor appointed by the Duke

give them resources in a system of quotas, adjusted with a guarantee that those wont endanger the city well-being

and they will:

grant us better technology

teach our engineers how to better use steam cores

release hostages after negotiations

Grant us maps of the know frostlands (or relevant info on our surroundings)

[narrow oar]

-# but what if the duke takeover IS an ending

[atomic pebble]

all things come to an end clara

[warm cliff]

what's the biggest take in this case?

[narrow oar]

-# but i want to do more stuff

[warm cliff]

The managing of resourses?

[narrow oar]

idk im just

gonna go for now

[atomic pebble]

we get a guarantee and maps

[narrow oar]

no files tonight

[turbid viper]

im his top guy

trust

[atomic pebble]

they wont be able to suck us dry

[turbid viper]

it'll offset the offense of the previous negotiators

[warm cliff]

Well, to be honest

This offer is kind of? better

then the one I proposed

[fickle linden]

in every game of FP thee ending is when the leader is overthrown

[turbid viper]

how did you get a blank emote

[fickle linden]

the duke has to be an ending

[turbid viper]

i think we just continue

us getting blasted would be an ending

[atomic pebble]

i think there is still more things happening in the background

the whole deal with the tusk cave is a clue

that and the destroyed city of New Cornwall

[steep elm]

<t:1769814035:f>, <t:1769814035:R>
Is when I'll choose the proposal

[narrow oar]

75 MINUTES UNTIL MIDNIGHT

time for last call :3

[turbid viper]

I feel like Haber wont accept the no more haber rule proposal

[fickle linden]

we should lynch haber to show our commitment to thhe duke

[steep elm]

That's a new one

[sour stratus]

-# Yeah i could just pull the gun myself at that point

[turbid viper]

im the least offensive person to send with the proposal

[sour stratus]

are you serious?

[turbid viper]

yes

why so serious cooper

such hostility

[atomic pebble]

accepts all terms and denounce all frostlanders

[turbid viper]

find peace in your heart

[turbid viper]

what would that give me

or the duke

it'd still result in resistance

its the same as them invading

[atomic pebble]

killing frostlanders

my head hurts

[turbid viper]

@sonic pivot face me coward

thou shall not react in vain

[steep elm]

The Frost Mini lore is so complex it gives headaches

[atomic pebble]

ye

[warm cliff]

@steep elm I'm deleting my proposal in favor of Jincent's

[steep elm]

Ok

[atomic pebble]

You guys want a counter offer, or accept things as it is?

Maybe the duke is a paper tiger

[steep elm]

[atomic pebble]

he lost the main city after all

[steep elm]

Wanna test it?

Give it a try

[atomic pebble]

my vote is in

[turbid viper]

godspeed vincent or whoever we are sending

nice knowing you

[atomic pebble]

we are sending Wohn, tied up of course

[steep elm]

Wow original offer is winning

[turbid viper]

im an expert in duke negotiation

[sonic pivot]

damn it why did it make me follow again

i didnt speak

[turbid viper]

coward

[atomic pebble]

8 bombs strapped to you (:

[turbid viper]

patriots in control

[turbid viper]

i think they can see that

[atomic pebble]

ok ok just 2

[warm cliff]

That's the point.

[sonic pivot]

i was in voluntary exile

[turbid viper]

to whawt

[sonic pivot]

as per habers suggestion

[turbid viper]

waste explosives?

[fickle linden]

as I said we have another option, I just need enough leaders.

[atomic pebble]

kill of the guards outside

[turbid viper]

the explosives made with our very limited resources and capabilities

[atomic pebble]

and damage the vehicle

[fickle linden]

we take haber and anything we can take on our backs and leave to make new haber city

[steep elm]

Might not even need to send out a delegation then

[turbid viper]

you see if they see that theyll just shoot me

so you waste explosives

and no one dies

except me

[atomic pebble]

see what?

[turbid viper]

and then you get invaded

[atomic pebble]

hidden explosives or a tied up wohn?

[turbid viper]

i will scream in civil disobedience

'shoot me they strapped bombs'

[sonic pivot]

traitors

[atomic pebble]

gagged

[turbid viper]

i think theyd shoot you instead

since youre carrying a guy tied up and gagged for no apparent reason to them

[atomic pebble]

you are just a disposable cog Wohn

[narrow oar]

HABER CITY

becomes their "vassal",

Haber is replaced with a duke appointed governor. BUT Haber remains either on the same level as, or second in command to the governor at the very least, changes to the city, while "put out" by the governor (and haber) are still to be voted by the citys people.

give them resources in a system of quotas, the delivery of the resources will either be done by our people personally, or by the duke, depending on what he prefers.

The Duke recieves the one Steam core we have Stockpiled.

THE REDCOATS

grant us better technology,

teach our engineers how to better use steam cores,

release hostages after negotiations,

[turbid viper]

no its just that makes for a very threatening image

[narrow oar]

doesnt get better than this

im going to bed

have fun

[atomic pebble]

you will walk up there or we willl be the ones shooting you

[narrow oar]

@steep elm

[turbid viper]

same result really

[atomic pebble]

i mean we would be far away sooo

[turbid viper]

well its either death by explosion or death by gunshot

[warm cliff]

@narrow oar at least change your vote for another offer please 😔

[steep elm]

No Duke Faction? 😔

Well, it is what it is

55 minutes

[narrow oar]

well noone LIKED the fucking duke faction

[steep elm]

54

[narrow oar]

apparently least of all the duke

[sonic pivot]

vinie vote not for war pls

lets do your proposal

[fickle linden]

can't wait for us all to be shot and not even be ready for war because we tried another counter offer

[warm cliff]

I'm impressed that Musa voted to make another proposal

But thank you

Really

[sour stratus]

Look pierre

Imma be honest i dont think these guys take no for an anwser

[narrow oar]

fuck it

if yall like duke factions

1. They get a vocal say in city actings, not as a replacement haber, but as a faction, getting the same power as the other guys

2. Haber remains our leader

3. give them a percentage share of resources rather than quotas.

In Exchange

1. Free hostages. after negotiation

2. The duke gives us SOME technology

@steep elm different version

take your pick

[turbid viper]

i dont think he'll accept that

the duke

i mean

[narrow oar]

then you can stick it up your ass

[turbid viper]

why so serious

[fickle linden]

once the counter offer fails and we get attacked that would be an excuse to sabotage the generator and fight in the snow

[turbid viper]

smh my head

[marble hatch]

Perhaps

[steep elm]

@here

this will be the offer to be presented, based on two other offers (#1454153857092288763 message #1454153857092288763 message) with a good few modifications:

specifying that the faction will be of people specifically appointed by the duke to stay here, not their entire population

instead of giving excess, quotas

and we will "officially" be a vassal

Haber's Counteroffer (based on Sones' & [redacted that doesn't exist yet]).

They receive:

• We will be a vassal, but retain Haber as our leader.
• We will obey the quotas established by them.
• A faction to participate in city politics with an official of the Duke's choice, who will have more powers over the city than the other faction leaders.

We receive:

• Our hostages are released after negotiations.
• A few Engineers remain behind to teach us how to better utilise steam cores and give us better technology, increasing production and therefore our capacity to meet quotas.

[sonic pivot]

i like it

[narrow oar]

hm

yea no notes

im for it

[open pewter]

kill him

kill the duke

[austere dock]

I wonder whom the duke will leave

[fickle linden]

alive?

[verbal musk]

I think this one actually works

But just something feels a tad wrong

Just something

[verbal musk]

Damn, such hate for the kindest man of them all

[timid sandal]

Ew

[narrow oar]

whats ew?

[atomic pebble]

So who is going back there to negotiate?

[steep elm]

Pierre

[narrow oar]

still not a good idea imo to send

JUST pierre

like let pierre do the talking but

[steep elm]

It'll be 7 vanguards

[narrow oar]

dont let him do it alone

oh thats fine then

[verbal musk]

who is redacted

[steep elm]

Clara

[narrow oar]

he did say alone

[verbal musk]

Clara confirmed to be coming?

woah

[narrow oar]

whats up?

[steep elm]

I later convinced him

1 vanguard vs. 4 soldiers with guns was not going to go well

[turbid viper]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[warm cliff]

I've changed my mind then

[open pewter]

no house option got me fucked up

Wait

What if we build a house on wheels filled with explosives and give it to the duke

[verbal musk]

Why do you hate the Duke so much?

Why the hate?

[atomic pebble]

fake news, the duke is a paper tiger, he probably just has one ace on his sleeve.

[open pewter]

No house option

[atomic pebble]

besides you want to be ruled by a guy who failed his own city?

[verbal musk]

How is that his fault?

[open pewter]

it just is

[steep elm]

image to scale (how far the vehicle is)

and more high res

[open pewter]

Haber

Is it true that its the dukes fault for no house option

[steep elm]

no

[sour stratus]

Haber city 4k when?

[open pewter]

ah

[austere dock]

He isn't that far away from the city

The wall is probably useless against whatever weapon is on top

[verbal musk]

How so?

[sour stratus]

If only we had that aall mounted turret

[verbal musk]

So, do you like him?

[austere dock]

I don't think that'd really help

[turbid viper]

a wall mounted gun

it probably
a) wouldnt reach it

b)

wouldnt be effective

[sour stratus]

I guess we will never know

[austere dock]

Yup

[dark marten]

Wanta to get rid of Haber and take over the city.

Why do you like the Duke so much?

[open pewter]

mmmm

Could care less

[austere dock]

Duke is evil

[open pewter]

glad we built the radio mast for the warning but if we built the light thingy we wouldve been able to have more people for protection

[verbal musk]

good enough

[verbal musk]

And is that bad? I'm sure the Duke has more experience than Haber, and eventually, have more authority, exactly what we need to solve tension.

[verbal musk]

Straightforward individual with iron will and precise plan, what could one ask for more?

He's also very careful and calculated

[dark marten]

The Duke obviously has done fuck-all for the Settlers who came here after their settlements failed.

Haber built this place from the Ice up.

[dark marten]

Humanity.
Humility.
Not to try and conquer us with a tank.

[verbal musk]

Haber may have done that, but what he's built will crumble down without an actual leader

[verbal musk]

Humanity and humility were lost along with the Old World

And he's not conquered us with a tank just yet

[turbid viper]

Humility is what gets you killed in the frostlands

Humanity is a luxury provided by prosperity

[dark marten]

He is an actual leader.

[dark marten]

The city provides.

That’s why even the lazy Settlers are getting food.

[verbal musk]

I don't see that. Not with this tension

[verbal musk]

How will it provide when we'll be apart from one another?

[turbid viper]

haber barely does anything until he's forced to

[verbal musk]

The Duke is the perfect candidate currently

Or someone trusted by him

Even if HE isn't the leader, maybe we'd fare off better with an alliance with the Duke, or hell, maybe even being a colony of his

[dark marten]

The perfect Leader.

[dark marten]

HAH! Just like the other settlements doomed to die?

[turbid viper]

no that will lead to stagnation

a strong hand will lead to growth

[dark marten]

How many rings did the Duke give you guys? 3? 7? 9?

[turbid viper]

mine eyes have seen the glory

[dark marten]

Your eyes have seen the brown ring on the end of your nose.

[verbal musk]

We don't know the reason his settlements have fallen, it may have been inevitable

[turbid viper]

trvst the plan

[verbal musk]

But with your own eyes you can see the unity on the Crown

The Duke shall make a great leader

[dark marten]

If ‘The Plan:tm;’ is to make Wohn and Winston fight for freedom in the pit against each other then sure.

[turbid viper]

Pits are so uncivilised

[verbal musk]

Wohn fighting ghosts

Fighting pits are wasteful

[marble hatch]

Sounds like a plan

[dark marten]

So are Factories that Settlers don’t do work in.

[verbal musk]

There is a difference between the Settlers being wasteful, and the factories being wasteful

[turbid viper]

shouldnt have spied on us i guess

[verbal musk]

You DID call the Duke here

He was in the right to suspect of you of plotting the city's downfall

[dark marten]

We actively had people protecting your people. 🤣

[turbid viper]

that doesnt change the fact that you spied on us

[verbal musk]

That's your duty, not espionage

[verbal musk]

Huh

[warm cliff]

The delegation returns...

[turbid viper]

it might be over

or we might be back

[narrow oar]

-# in a bag

[warm cliff]

...this time - with more people.

[turbid viper]

waow

[verbal musk]

HABER IS TYPING

[steep elm]

@here

Week 45; 14:00

The Redcoats have made some adjustments to the deal we proposed - mainly regarding the proposed faction. If we can agree to this modified proposal, we can avoid the war and be over with this.

The Cornwall Agreement

They receive:

• We will be a vassal, but retain Haber as our leader.
• We will obey the quotas established by them and deliver the resources they ask for.
• A faction to participate in city politics with an official of the Duke's choice as its Leader, who will have more powers over the city than the other groups have.
  • More specifically, this Leader will have a Veto power on decisions we make, and the vote of members of their group will have a weight of 2 instead of 1.

We receive:

• Our hostages are released after negotiations.
• A few Engineers remain behind to teach us how to better utilise steam cores and give us better technology, increasing production and therefore our capacity to meet quotas.

-# [past post](#1454153857092288763 message)
-# [next post](#1454153857092288763 message)

[narrow oar]

this is the best its gonna get

we arent doing another round

[verbal musk]

War is just a joke option at this point

[open pewter]

kill the bastards

[dark marten]

I'd love to, but it's too risky.

[turbid viper]

very reasonable man the duke is

[dark marten]

We can kill Wohn and Winston after to sate the blood, worry not.

We can't kill the Duke or his people, but we can kill the sycophants.

[sour stratus]

[bitter glacier]

I still hate it but it's the best we'll get

veto power is insanity

[open pewter]

-# lameeee

[turbid viper]

i mean, we are going to become a protectorate

[steep elm]

oh well

[dark marten]

Not thrilled with the Veto or the 2:1 vote power.

[steep elm]

I guess you guys are avoiding the game ending I prepared

[dark marten]

But it is what it is.

[dark marten]

Was it death and fire?

[turbid viper]

direct rule from duketown

[dark marten]

The mini-city will never die. The game must continue.

[verbal musk]

Wohn only

[steep elm]

had such a fun war system ready

[narrow oar]

🎉

[turbid viper]

im taking you all down with me

[narrow oar]

LESBIANS SOON

[turbid viper]

hmmm

maybe we can try our luck

[verbal musk]

You can’t kill a spectator from above, Wohn

[warm cliff]

-# Don't worry, you will be utilizing it sooner or later.

[verbal musk]

Wasteful

[open pewter]

kill them

we need the crown for houses

[dark marten]

Perhaps an entire League of them.

[verbal musk]

But a crown isn’t very comfy

A house is

[turbid viper]

we'll make great things with the duke

[verbal musk]

Truly

A better alliance than this couldn’t have happened

We’re no longer lonely throughout these frozen wastelands

[dark marten]

I'd rather be a Lord on my own than a Serf with 100 friends.

[warm cliff]

-# Дрожите, подлые тираны...

-# и ты, чужой наёмный сброд,

-# За ваши дьявольские планы

-# Вас по заслугам кара ждёт!

-# Вас по заслугам кара ждёт!

-# Все мы бойцы, на поле брани

-# Героев Хабера не счесть,

-# Коль те падут, узрите сами...

-# ОТЧИЗНЫ ПРАВЕДНУЮ МЕСТЬ!

[narrow oar]

Извините, я не говорю по-французски.

[open pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/noticing-eye-eye-emoji-dog-dog-eye-emoji-gif-13834071454795467253

[warm cliff]

congrats you are now russian /j

[dark marten]

The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its every fold.

So raise the scarlet standard high,
Beneath its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
🟥🇬🇧🟥

[warm cliff]

that's more about communism and stuff I guess

[steep elm]

well, the vanguards are red

[warm cliff]

true

[steep elm]

just do red = based vanguards
and it magically fits

[dark marten]

I believe it was first sung by the British Liberal Democrats.

But I may be wrong.

I was wrong.

Labour party.

[sour stratus]

Well i suppose this is the best thing we can get

[austere dock]

Auraj will be freed

[pseudo bay]

Auraj is being well taken care of, as ive heard

[sour stratus]

and yall get info

[narrow oar]

[turbid viper]

this is a very good deal for our future

[sour stratus]

Being gaged, tied and lieing on snow floor while i have gun next to my head

[austere dock]

Mayhaps

[open pewter]

did the redcoats say anything about house technology

[pseudo bay]

my my, straight to the weapon? And I thought a lady of such caliber would have some class

[sour stratus]

Well i will tell yall waht i saw

[pseudo bay]

[dark marten]

Sounds like a great time.

Me next?

[open pewter]

juraj

did they

[pseudo bay]

Sure!

[sour stratus]

Cant say

[turbid viper]

We need to summon another outsider for that

[sour stratus]

Unless i get freed officialy

[austere dock]

-# Sounds like something I've dealt with before besides the gun XD

[open pewter]

damn

[turbid viper]

but i suppose you lot will have learnt your lesson from this

[austere dock]

Until probably next turn

[sour stratus]

Sounds like a intresting time

[sonic pivot]

-# i wish

[narrow oar]

[austere dock]

It was an interesting time

[austere dock]

-# real XD

This is about the best deal the city will get from the Redcoasts tbh, especially under current conditions of the cities weapons

[pseudo bay]

[sour stratus]

Yeah

[austere dock]

[pseudo bay]

Such a reaction, befitting of someone in your standing

Now, onto more... grander plannings

[sour stratus]

Like?

[austere dock]

Not much else the city could do without either really trying to push our luck, or showing of force which could end poorly

[sour stratus]

Yup

[austere dock]

Probably frost radio

[pseudo bay]

Wouldn't you like to know, Frostie

[austere dock]

[pseudo bay]

Sorry Love, but I think you'll come to find the ongoing situation revealing of, my humble stance when it comes to these... people of the pale

[narrow oar]

-# the pale?

[sour stratus]

YEAH YOU ANYOING SETTELER

[turbid viper]

settler?

[sour stratus]

Well puppet is defending duke

[turbid viper]

wow thats an offensive term

you're implying this isnt our rightful land

nothing to settle its just reclamation

[sour stratus]

YEAH SAME AS OURS

[austere dock]

You're still a prisoner lol

[sour stratus]

Ill reclaim you into the generator

[sour stratus]

Thats why im so salty

[turbid viper]

sure

[open pewter]

haber city is promised to be filled with houses

my utopia: lines of homes and houses for the people

[austere dock]

Maybe I know some more of the ongoings then you'd think

[austere dock]

Engineers homes perhaps?

[sour stratus]

OH YOU DONT SAY

[sour stratus]

Frostlanders

[narrow oar]

-# im sure puppet also means the other pale she knows

[sour stratus]

-# Other pale?

[narrow oar]

-# disco elysium

[sour stratus]

-# OOOOOOH

[timid sandal]

Faithkeepers

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-lop-pinocchio-lies-of-p-p-p-lies-of-p-gif-9662625293062647286

[atomic pebble]

vanguards can recruit from the duke faction? 🤔

[steep elm]

:)

I'll announce their powers later

[atomic pebble]

boooo

well we can gradually disapear them

surely no one will notice

[turbid viper]

i think

that will result in severe repressions

[atomic pebble]

from who?

[turbid viper]

the duke faction

[atomic pebble]

The duke wont stay here

[turbid viper]

they will get "tools" i assume

[marble hatch]

When we butcher up this Crown?

[austere dock]

But he'll probably have messages from said duke faction

[atomic pebble]

maybe

can we at least put the settlers to work now?
they have been lazying around for too long

[austere dock]

True

Maybe the duke faction will force them to work inorder to keep up with the quotas

I do wonder how the quotas will work, and how devastating for the city they will be

Is it like a small cut of resources or is it a medium amount where it doesn't make the city "too powerful" well not crippling the city, or is it a crippling amount that basically will stall the whole city

We will see the demands of the dukes quotas in due time

[sour stratus]

Im stills scared of that

[atomic pebble]

Auraj will soon tell us everything he saw

[austere dock]

Or he'll be silenced from sharing too much

[austere dock]

This is the part that is more worrying then the double the natural votes they get

[sour stratus]

Yeah and what happens if we dont meet them

[atomic pebble]

we will see what we can do later

[austere dock]

Its unlikely they'll have 62/3 members

[austere dock]

Yea that we'll have to see

And if there's anything we get in return for meeting qoutas, like teach us something about using cores better, or is it nothing? Or a resource we don't have?

[sour stratus]

Yeah

[austere dock]

And what will our "consequences" be for failure to meet the qoutas, is it a "do better" or is it, that the dukes faction gains more power everytime we fail to meet the quota

[narrow oar]

https://klipy.com/gifs/asgore-2

this will happen

[austere dock]

Lol

We will find out

[pseudo bay]

https://tenor.com/view/in-stars-and-time-isat-trailer-isat-siffrin-isat-loop-gif-15592623921667657009

[fickle linden]

all is lot

[open pewter]

all is lot bro...

[steep elm]

Don't worry guys
This is just the end of chapter 1: Haber's Haven
And start of chapter 2: Duke's Domain

[open pewter]

we shouldve killed the bastard

[sonic pivot]

-# wohn*

[atomic pebble]

why did you guys had to vote for the duke signal 😔

[austere dock]

I didn't

[open pewter]

possible better house tech :(

that better house tech vote wouldve saved us...

[austere dock]

Probably not

[narrow oar]

"Jonathan habers fun city vacation" was only the beginning to "DUKE REDCOATS TORMENTOUS NIGHTMARE"

[narrow oar]

i wrote finished wrong

fuck my stupid baka life

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-universe-peridot-scream-rippaper-gif-7435614

[narrow oar]

actually me irl

[dark marten]

Clara is (from my understanding) actually a Lesbian gemstone.

Clara is a Lithoid confirmed.

[narrow oar]

hm

close enough

ill take it

[dark marten]

lol

[turbid viper]

I wonder how the veto works in case of decisions where we choose between two options

probably will mean that nothing happens but maybe... it results in the other one being chosen....

[narrow oar]

you cant really veto smth into happening

i take it as

"yes or no, everyone votes yes, duke says no, no happens"

[marble hatch]

Veto just means that if they don't agree with it, it doesn't pass

[narrow oar]

yea

[marble hatch]

"Liberum Veto" is somehow part of history in my country, so I quite understand it

[austere dock]

Probably not much would happen besides we have to revote on something

[steep elm]

@here

the agreement was signed by both sides...

Auraj was returned to us, you can ask him about what happened while he was captured

most importantly, two new groups emerge after a week of the agreement being signed:

The Ministers, Bureaucrats that are
Good at administrative jobs
Votes count as 2
The Leader has a Veto

And the Operators, Engineers that
Are good at jobs that use machines
Are more efficient in the Factory

It appears that the first are led by... a bunch of eyes? and the second... by a TV?

Anyway, what matters is that the Settlers have dissolved, spliting between the two groups that only had 3 people at the start

Wohn has joined the Ministers, making it so the agreement for the Settler's exclusivity to the Factory transferred over to them. So now, although Operators man the factory, the bureaucrats are the ones that have control over its activities.

Anyway, let's see... the Duke's people will leave in about 2 Weeks, and Haber is going to reorganise the city this following week, reassigning a good amount of people

We have also already received the first piece of tech from the Duke. Let's have a vote.

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Houses
Instead of Barracks, neat houses!

• +Has space for 15 people
• +Less heat demand
• -More expensive

Two-Story Housing [Duke]
Instead of Barracks... Houses, but taller.

• +Has space for 15 people
• +Trust Increases as people will have more personal space
• Heat Demand is maintained
• -Iron is needed

@narrow oar send the group's art + quote later for me to pin

[sonic pivot]

give the factory to tlara

[steep elm]

tension decreased by 2, trust increased by 1

[austere dock]

2 new factions appear

[steep elm]

strange paint can also be seen on the factory's outer wall, made by someone that hasn't been caught

[atomic pebble]

Auraj tell us their secrets!

[verbal musk]

The Alleyes prophecy

was fulfilled

[steep elm]

@verbal musk wanna be a minister