🧊Frost Mini - Haber City

[warm cliff]

Okay I have another proposal

A little weird but it might work

What if

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-and-mad-pepe-pepe-pepe-happy-and-mad-disappointed-mad-gif-12934805943654834479

[bitter glacier]

right, so we'd have to send resources we need to survive to him? and other than technology, what has he offered?

[warm cliff]

We become allies?

[turbid viper]

i think the duke would accept having a plenipotentiary that would have minor powers

[narrow oar]

1. They get a vocal say in city actings, not as a replacement haber, but as a faction, getting the same power as the other guys

2. Haber remains our leader

3. give them a percentage share of resources rather than quotas.

In Exchange

1. Free hostages. after negotiation

2. The duke gives us SOME technology

[turbid viper]

and keeping haber

[atomic pebble]

i can do a sneaky, but that surely would endanger the hostages... and my people

[fickle linden]

Let’s give the duke gifts and j these large gift boxes are soldier commandos and once we get inside the tank we take it over

From the inside

[turbid viper]

what would sneaky achieve

what could you possibly do

if you're in a negotiating room

[warm cliff]

that would be a much better deal

[atomic pebble]

take over the crown

[turbid viper]

how would you do that

[atomic pebble]

:3

[turbid viper]

if youre in a designated negotiating space

under guard

[narrow oar]

we dont need all of their benefits that much, and we dont give up our

haber

sound good?

any objections

[turbid viper]

would percentages be better than quotas?

[atomic pebble]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bears-boogerbear-luckycavity-T7fVPrsF8TYMQTF9VJ

i might have some smoke bombs, and a few other types

[narrow oar]

quotas can be increased, a fixed percentage means that the other percent mean that we have something to live off

[marble hatch]

My want to imprison Duke

[narrow oar]

so we dont have to work JUST for the duke

[turbid viper]

so its less incentive for him

[narrow oar]

but the duke just gets a cut

[marble hatch]

We haven't seen the bastard yet hear a ton of wants

[narrow oar]

he also has to do less.

[turbid viper]

well no, he needs to ensure we're actually giving the percentage

and not conning him

[narrow oar]

you see i turned the "we get" side way down.

[turbid viper]

its harder than just saying 'give us x amount'

[narrow oar]

its NOT give us x amount

its "give us x amount which we may or may not change depending on what we need"

"fuck yalls needs"

[turbid viper]

yeah which is easier for him

than trying to check wether we're actually giving the actual percentage

[narrow oar]

yeah but we dont want that

which is

why we

GET LESS

[turbid viper]

so it invalidates this

which is my point

[narrow oar]

am i having a stroke

[fickle linden]

I’m feel like

We just try to kill him

Very simple

Risky yes

[turbid viper]

they didnt even see the duke

[narrow oar]

im in hell.

[fickle linden]

But we can also get the crown

[narrow oar]

this is hell.

[turbid viper]

true

[atomic pebble]

true

[turbid viper]

anyways i feel like the resource thing will most likely be the 'hardline'

[narrow oar]

sure.

whatever

fucking quotas i guess

[steep elm]

well, the technology we get from the duke deal could also help us to just... produce much more than what we currently do

[turbid viper]

so we'd need to offer something to get him to back down from quotas

[narrow oar]

lets do on the edge.

if that will make you shut up

[fickle linden]

I don’t trust him

[turbid viper]

no im just pointing out things

[steep elm]

maybe

[turbid viper]

That If The Point Is To Get Resources

Resources Will Be The Thing He Is Least Likely To Compromise On

[narrow oar]

Why Are You Talking Like This

Mr Fucking Maryam

[turbid viper]

tactical use of that

[narrow oar]

No

[atomic pebble]

Jilson are you 'Sure' those settlers from the cave dont know anything?

[steep elm]

Because It's Fun I Think

[narrow oar]

I Can Do It Better

[turbid viper]

i didnt ask them

[narrow oar]

Ive Been Doing This Bit For Years Now

[turbid viper]

okay

[narrow oar]

but why

[turbid viper]

because when i said that i dont think that concerned city affairs i meant it

[atomic pebble]

redcoat insiders 😔

[turbid viper]

are we talking about the tusk cave

[narrow oar]

hes not a redcoat

[turbid viper]

im unsure now

[narrow oar]

hes just an idiot

[turbid viper]

no i just genuinely do not care about that

[steep elm]

-# when you guys figure something out and agree on it, @ me the second offer with the bulletpoints like I did

[narrow oar]

JJFKFKGNGNG GB

[turbid viper]

what does agree mean haber thats a broad definition

[narrow oar]

FINE

LET ME TRY AGAIN

[turbid viper]

regulate us

[atomic pebble]

Auraj saw something he shouldnt

[fickle linden]

We let him live

[turbid viper]

give us an agreement quota

[narrow oar]

1. They get a vocal say in city actings, not as a replacement haber but as a faction, getting the same power as the other guys

2. Haber remains our leader

3. give them quotas whatever

In Exchange

1. Free hostages.

2. maybe some tech.

ANY OBJECTIONS

[turbid viper]

what does "maybe some tech" mean

[sour stratus]

:]

[fickle linden]

I wanna kill him

[atomic pebble]

there were tracks in the cave about bodies being dragged of somewhere

[fickle linden]

And gnaw on his bones

[steep elm]

see if we can argue getting the tech anyway, but not a main point to get

[atomic pebble]

Duke wants control

not sure thats an option

[narrow oar]

just so we can actually meet the quotas.

[turbid viper]

so that just seems like the original deal except no leader replacement and The Main Thing We Would Benefit From is only a maybe

[narrow oar]

Duke can go fuck himself

[fickle linden]

The crown is a paper tiger

We can take it

[steep elm]

just a trade deal to getting a whole faction would already be a difference

[atomic pebble]

we dont know

[dark marten]

Aye.

[narrow oar]

what

[bitter glacier]

do their demands include the Redcoats living here

[steep elm]

no

[atomic pebble]

how far is the crown from the walls?

[fickle linden]

They want us to pledge allegiance and give them our stuff

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-computer-mad-angry-gif-18413956748387057285

[steep elm]

not as close as in the image

[narrow oar]

jones

jones what do you wan

t

[atomic pebble]

ugh

[steep elm]

far away but still close

[atomic pebble]

would it take to long to rush there?

as in running?

[turbid viper]

this just seems worse except for leadership continuity

[steep elm]

like, maybe 100 metres? idk

[dark marten]

We don't have a central government. There is nothing to have a say on.
This was very clear when the traitorous settlers were allowed to stop all production.

Haber should remain our Leader. To say otherwise is an anathema to our very City.

Giving tithe on our limited resources that we already struggle with is problematic. Especially as we don't know how much they shall demand.

The Hostages should be freed. Non-negotiatable.

Their technology is untrustworthy. I'd rather anything made by Haber.

[narrow oar]

YOU WANTED QUOTAS

[atomic pebble]

thats really close

[turbid viper]

i didnt

i just said it was the thing he'd most likely want the most

[steep elm]

100 to 200 or so

[turbid viper]

and be least willing to compromise on it

[steep elm]

just, far but close

[dark marten]

Don't listen to Wohn.

[fickle linden]

We can storm it

[steep elm]

well, they'd have time to shoot you

[bitter glacier]

so the Duke expects us to give the governance of our city to him, without contributing anything more than some tech, while also expecting us to pay him in resources?

and, in theory, his government or whatever system they have could form a law and impose it on us without giving us a say in it?

[atomic pebble]

1km probably (or a bit less)

[narrow oar]

yeah thats

good actually

[dark marten]

They get everything and we get nothing. Wohn's dream.

[turbid viper]

why is it in my interest to get him things

[warm cliff]

Alright you know what

Fuck it

[turbid viper]

its in my interest for this to not devolve in a fight

[warm cliff]

I'm changing my vote to just atack them right away

[turbid viper]

and for mutual coprosperity to be maximised

[fickle linden]

Need I remind everyone that today is a good day to die

[dark marten]

Because you're a Settler and a Sycophant.

[narrow oar]

can we attack our settlers

[steep elm]

I mean, we're literally using their technology currently, the Jewel Furnace, which saved a lot of people from dying of cold since we could burn food for heat

[fickle linden]

Attack him

[turbid viper]

wah wah wah

[atomic pebble]

mutual feels a bit of a strecht

[dark marten]

Something we found and adapted to our own uses.

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm does the Duke even plan on living here? I assume no because he's getting a governor to lead the city instead

also, I'm assuming the Duke is an autocrat but do we happen to actually know what form of government they have/had?

[atomic pebble]

they want us to be productive for their sake

[dark marten]

This is the so called 'head' of the Settlers everyone.

[atomic pebble]

not the other way around

[turbid viper]

still, the technology we'd receive would potentially allow us to increase the balance of resources even after quotas

[narrow oar]

but that wouldnt benefit him would it?

so why would it?

[dark marten]

I'd be willing to give them surpluss resources beyond what is needed for survival.

[atomic pebble]

and would those stop there? with just quotas?

[dark marten]

But not a tithe of everything.

[turbid viper]

it would be a benefit for us more, no?

[atomic pebble]

if they have a governor here they will change things over time

[steep elm]

It doesn't appear that he's going to live here as he's going to appoint a governor, not be the governor himself

you'd need to ask them their government, the settlers wouldn't have updated information as they were in a settlement for a good few years

[atomic pebble]

how many are in the negotiation delegation?

[bitter glacier]

but he'd still decide what laws and regulations we follow because we'd be under his banner...

[steep elm]

yours?

[turbid viper]

can we give the governor so much alcohol he becomes incapable of government

[bitter glacier]

and he wants us to pay him resources while not guaranteeing any say in the policymaking

[atomic pebble]

ye, my side

[bitter glacier]

in other words

[steep elm]

7 I'd say

[bitter glacier]

taxation without representation...

[turbid viper]

british tradition

[dark marten]

Fun.

[atomic pebble]

ugh

[verbal musk]

Well, this sounds reasonable, Duke City sounds great!

[atomic pebble]

i'd need at least 5 min so the others can reach us if i want to do anything sneaky

[verbal musk]

Also, WHOEVER is voting to attack them is voting for instant death

[bitter glacier]

lynch this man immediately

[fickle linden]

Kill Winston

[atomic pebble]

doubt the smoke bombs would last that long

[turbid viper]

we attack

we lose

duke city

but more direct rule

[verbal musk]

Why

No

Listen

The Duke seems like a very straight forward guy

[fickle linden]

They will rule over ashes

[verbal musk]

Very efficient and reasonable

[turbid viper]

@atomic pebble what kind of weapons did the people you see have

[fickle linden]

There will be nothing left

[verbal musk]

I like him

[fickle linden]

But embers

[bitter glacier]

no taxation with representation!

[atomic pebble]

Only rifles

[fickle linden]

Our mighty glorious resistance

[verbal musk]

I think the Duke’s in the right in this one

[atomic pebble]

Nothing else

[turbid viper]

okay so we have

[bitter glacier]

how many

[turbid viper]

equivalent firepower

[bitter glacier]

if we have an idea

[turbid viper]

awesome sauce.

[fickle linden]

We also have numbers

[atomic pebble]

We only saw five, but there are more in the vehicle

[fickle linden]

Haber city is a clown car and we have an army

[verbal musk]

What will numbers do against an entire TANK

[atomic pebble]

And i think there is a gun on top of the crown

[bitter glacier]

y'know what's funny is that if Wohn just did his job and made rifles we might actually have equal firepower

[verbal musk]

Yes

[atomic pebble]

Unsure tho

[fickle linden]

Infantry when surrounding a tank can tear it apart

[turbid viper]

how

[verbal musk]

Our BEST chances are to Accept the Demands or Negotiate Further

[steep elm]

it's not a tank

but sure

try it

[fickle linden]

Force open the doors

[turbid viper]

they accelerate and its over

splashed

[verbal musk]

It will stomp over our city in FIVE SECONDS

[bitter glacier]

we aren't gonna throw soldiers at the enemy until we win

[verbal musk]

I don’t care if it’s a tank or a motorized giant, wheels crush all the same

[atomic pebble]

I just need to throw a few silly things inside the crown (:

[turbid viper]

"sir the haberians are charging"
"okay back up a little and go forwards"

[steep elm]

thinker meatgrinder... I wonder where I saw this before

[verbal musk]

I like the Duke, I can’t lie

He gave us a very reasonable offer

[fickle linden]

I hate the duke

[verbal musk]

What I DON’T like though is Haber being replaced

[turbid viper]

i have no strong opinions on the duke

[verbal musk]

Otherwise

[fickle linden]

Kill him

[verbal musk]

I like the Duke’s objective efficient methods and propositions

[turbid viper]

winston

[verbal musk]

We’re only winning after accepting this deal

[dark marten]

My suggestion for a Counteroffer.

They recieve:

• We remain free with Haber as our leader.
• We give them a tithe of some excess resources each 'turn'.
• We shall share with them scouting information of resource deposits our scouts find that we can not utilise.

We recieve:

• They release our people, such as Auraj.
• A few Engineers remain behind to teach us how to better utilise steam cores, increasing production and therefore increasing the tithe.

[turbid viper]

the more you argue

the less people agree

[fickle linden]

We give the crowners so much alcohol they will be drunk and we can take the crown easily

[verbal musk]

No one agrees anyways

[dark marten]

I am parital to feedback.

So please go ahead.

[turbid viper]

why would they agree to this

[verbal musk]

Plus

[verbal musk]

-# grass is green type statement, I’ve been doing only this for months now

[turbid viper]

their main point is to get resources

[dark marten]

• It's an initial counter-offer. They do not need to agree to it. They need to consider it.
• Because otherwise we won't make a deal with them.

[fickle linden]

We give them the resources

And put bombs in the crates

[turbid viper]

how will we activate the bombs

we have late 19th century technology at best

i dont think that has been invented yet

[fickle linden]

Hook them up to the crate

[verbal musk]

Absolutely awful terms, they are winning NOTHING out of this. They’re getting more by killing us all than accepting this

[steep elm]

yeah, like

you don't need to think of something that they will immediately agree to, these are negotiation rounds

just be careful to not like, give something so bad that they take it as an insult

[dark marten]

Killing us would lose production as well as information on the surrounding terrain.

[fickle linden]

Make it so the trigger to the bombs are activated when th crate is opened

[turbid viper]

they stated that this region is resource poor

they dont need info

[verbal musk]

And they’re receiving nothing by accepting the terms you propose. They’re actually just losing engineers

[atomic pebble]

yep they did

[bitter glacier]

what's the public's opinion

[turbid viper]

this pie is so neutral i could do nothing

[dark marten]

What would your suggestions be to pad out what they receive?

[verbal musk]

I’ll send it soon

[dark marten]

Winston is clearly corrupted.

[verbal musk]

Proof?

[dark marten]

Both him and Wohn can not be trusted.

[dark marten]

You love the Duke.

[narrow oar]

i like this one

[dark marten]

Even Wohn who supplicates to him is only "Neutral".

[atomic pebble]

what if we change the deal to keeping our leadership, and have a duke representative in the city instead of a governor?

[turbid viper]

plenipotentiary

[bitter glacier]

only if we have the ability to negotiate how much the tax is

otherwise I'm fine with this offer

[dark marten]

Not sure what they would represent in. We don't exactly have a government.

[bitter glacier]

they don't even live here

[narrow oar]

yeah thats what i said earlier

but wohn said "OOOOOOOOH he wantd POWER tho..."

[turbid viper]

no

[narrow oar]

so it got thrown out

[turbid viper]

i didnt

[atomic pebble]

big menacing gun (?)

[turbid viper]

i only said something about the resources

[narrow oar]

yes you fucking did

[turbid viper]

someone else said about control

[turbid viper]

when

[bitter glacier]

give me liberty or give me death, I say!

[atomic pebble]

plus there is something happening in the background that they dont want us to know

[narrow oar]

or wait that wad vincent

[steep elm]

if you added onto this the "have a say in our politics by having a faction" it'd better, because right now they just have no way of guaranteeing that you guys will give them resources, or that they will at least have some control over the city

Vincent did mention that one of their main points is control

[narrow oar]

my bad

[bitter glacier]

they don't live here yet expect a say in our decisions?

[narrow oar]

anyway

[turbid viper]

smh my head.

[narrow oar]

vincent why the sudden change

[atomic pebble]

im not sure how to win this...

[steep elm]

sometimes... you can't win

or maybe the solution is very clear and I'm surprised you guys didn't notice it yet

[turbid viper]

you should've read the fine print

[steep elm]

one of the two

[turbid viper]

suicide pact to protest it?

[steep elm]

so true

[fickle linden]

KILL HIM

KILL

[narrow oar]

wait

[atomic pebble]

why would they want coal?

[turbid viper]

show of dominance?

[narrow oar]

have tarry challenge the duke to a fistfight

[turbid viper]

checking wether we are poor?

[dark marten]

Then a small contingent of Engineers with an elected leader for their politics, I suppose.

[atomic pebble]

they have no main city anymore, it could all be a bluff too

[turbid viper]

yes im sure the senile man will accept that

[dark marten]

Then they get a say.

[turbid viper]

well not senile

old

older than shackler

physically crumbling

[bitter glacier]

the Duke and his Redcoats don't live here, plan to live here or plan to give us a say in any laws they may impose upon us from across the frost

yet they expect us to hand over leadership, or get a say in our votes, and take our resources?! that we produce for our city?!

their demands are absurd! if they want our resources, a say in our government, they shouldn't threaten us with hostages and weapons! They should integrate themselves into our city and our society instead of seizing control and then ditching us!

[turbid viper]

mr house

[atomic pebble]

Tarry do you know something??

[turbid viper]

hold on this writing is fire

[dark marten]

If they plan to teach us with Engineers, then they will have people living here.

That contingent will be enough to have a say.

[turbid viper]

they should just...

[dark marten]

Not a large one, but a say nonetheless.

[turbid viper]

move in

we make the crown or whatever a generator upgrade

peace forever

nothing ever happens

[atomic pebble]

we could just lie to them

[turbid viper]

or we get outvoted if they have a lot of people there

like a clown car

[bitter glacier]

here's my counteroffer:

• They stand down and release all hostages
• They integrate into the City as a faction, subject to our laws and regulations
• They get their fair share of votes in our governance but do not replace our leader
• They share their tech with the rest of the city
• Duke leads his Redcoats

[fickle linden]

They gain nothing

[turbid viper]

fire

[bitter glacier]

they gain shelter and a fair say in our city

[turbid viper]

settlers endorse

[fickle linden]

Can’t they idk crush us like everyone has been saying?

What’s stopping them from taking over

[bitter glacier]

they get treated as every other citizen, given their food and warmth each day

[open pewter]

what is his stance on houses

[turbid viper]

because it'd destroy the city

so no point in that

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm how do we decide on a counteroffer

[turbid viper]

mass democracy

[atomic pebble]

they want the resources not the city

[dark marten]

My ^ suggestion for a Counteroffer.

revised

They receive:

• We remain free with Haber as our leader.
• We give them a tithe of some excess resources each 'turn'.
• We shall share with them scouting information of resource deposits our scouts find that we can not utilise.
• A faction to participate in city politics with an official of the Duke's choice.

We receive:

• They release our people, such as Auraj.
• A few Engineers remain behind to teach us how to better utilise steam cores, increasing production and therefore increasing the tithe - also as a part of the Faction under the Duke's man.

[turbid viper]

it would destroy the infrastructure and make it harder

[steep elm]

Ping me and I'll note it down

Later I can make a smaller vote

[turbid viper]

to get said resource

[atomic pebble]

thats why they are willing to negotiate

[turbid viper]

yeah

[dark marten]

Not sure if the Duke wishes to stay here.

[turbid viper]

one way to find out

[dark marten]

True.

[bitter glacier]

well if he wants our food, our resources, and a say in our government, they should live here

[narrow oar]

sounds neat

[turbid viper]

i annex them into the settlers

[dark marten]

We annex the settlers into the Pit.

[turbid viper]

its too small

checkmate police statist

[verbal musk]

Counter Terms Proposed By Me

-# (100% unbiased terms, trust trust)

Haber City:

• protection against other raids/unwanted parties/wild bears in the city, as well as in expeditions
• Haber remains in charge, but will often be visited by one of the Duke’s trusted men/overseed to make sure no plotting or bad decisions ensue
• some council seats will be occupied by the Redcoats
• Engineers to improve steam core efficiency
• Technology sharing

Redcoats:

• A significant percentage of our city’s production in calm weather. In case of a whiteout being nearby, the trades are off to prepare for it
• Redcoats may settle in Haber City and be treated the same as a normal citizen
• Most of the coal demand for the Crown must be fulfilled by Haber City in calm weather(this one’s optional)
• In case of an unforeseen emergency, the Redcoats will always be welcome in the city
• All hostages are released
• The cave tusks or the other hostages/victims’s fates must be revealed
• Technology sharing

I MIGHT have forgotten a few things or added too much

[turbid viper]

this is kinda ass

worse than the original proposal

[verbal musk]

Ok

[turbid viper]

awful show

smh my head

[verbal musk]

I’ll still glaze the Duke

[steep elm]

Better than I thought

[turbid viper]

good cop/bad cop for not hating the duke

the reasonable pragmatic duke understander vs duke bootlicker...

[steep elm]

Right now I have noted down

Eueueue Proposal
Sones Proposal
Duke Glazer proposal

[verbal musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239693595917811753/1435880445454848130/convert.gif

It is NOT made to be balanced for Haber City due to

[sour stratus]

"Eueueue proposal"

[verbal musk]

We actually being the ones under threat of being ran over

[narrow oar]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc-devil-may-cry-dante-what-the-hell-is-this-wtf-gif-18707536

[verbal musk]

Duke glaze

[dark marten]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-who-knows-gif-12648964

[bitter glacier]

Vanguards are working on a counteroffer to be presented by the group as a whole, I'll ping you once we've completed it

[steep elm]

ok

I was going to put a time limit for any new ones, but since you're making a new one, I'll wait more

[dark marten]

Ty.

[atomic pebble]

im unsure what to even counter offer

we kind of have the upper hand in negotiations because i think they cant afford to lose more people and waste their resources

their city got destroyed after all

[bitter glacier]

Vanguard's Counteroffer

• Redcoats release hostages
• Haber remains in power
• Their technology is shared with the city
• Redcoats move into the City
  • They will keep their current leadership
  • Their citizenship will be guaranteed, which includes the following:
    • Daily necessities provided by the City
    • Expectation to follow the laws in place
    • They will get their fair share of votes in vote sessions

-# @steep elm

[turbid viper]

yeah thats fair

[atomic pebble]

you could just say that we refuse their proposal at that point

[narrow oar]

i like!

[bitter glacier]

there's no option for refusing, just accepting, countering or attacking

[turbid viper]

i think thats just attack

[bitter glacier]

well this isn't an attack

[turbid viper]

you offer them an element this way

[dark marten]

They can always counter our counter offer.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[atomic pebble]

something about offending them

[bitter glacier]

this is a chance for them to show they actually come in peace. We offer them shelter and citizenship and forgiveness for taking our people hostage

[sour stratus]

Oh btw vinnie thanks for not getting me murdered thus far lol

[atomic pebble]

im trying

[dark marten]

WE'LL GET YOU BACK AURAJ!

[turbid viper]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-points-gun-gun-shoot-gif-3298902

sorry fish

[dark marten]

YOU'LL BE A FREEMAN AGAIN!

[turbid viper]

you saw too much

they will kill you or something

[bitter glacier]

also @steep elm you mentioned that we could change who's negotiating at some point, when would that happen

[turbid viper]

tragically fell down the stairs out of their vehicle

[atomic pebble]

thats the thing they dont care to release him after the deal is done

what did they found out?

[narrow oar]

put me in the game coach

im not real but

ill do it

[atomic pebble]

big explosion

she did it 😔

[timid sandal]

I mean

All I care about

Is the engineer steam cores and science

[atomic pebble]

even at the cost of only using that science just for the duke?

[timid sandal]

Who said that?

We don’t have to use it just for the duke

[steep elm]

tell me if you want that to happen
but the revenants have been pretty good at not offending them

[atomic pebble]

the duke wants control over the city

[sour stratus]

And you are doing a good job

[bitter glacier]

just curious

also, if a counteroffer is given by the group who drafted it, is there any sort of bonuses or no? (I assume not)

[atomic pebble]

im almost pulling the trigger Arujaj

you dont know my secrets

[bitter glacier]

or on the flip side if it's submitted by a group that didn't draft it, any penalties?

[steep elm]

no? the negotiations are happening via a rough rp

[bitter glacier]

I see

[steep elm]

it's not gamey

so, bonuses don't work in this context

only charisma

[bitter glacier]

guess now we just wait

[steep elm]

at

wait a sec

[atomic pebble]

https://giphy.com/gifs/trendingallday-sunglasses-stare-26u4kR1VYM2Qya14Q

[sour stratus]

The what?

[atomic pebble]

-# Minor details

[steep elm]

<t:1769720400:f>, <t:1769720400:R> I'll do the poll

[atomic pebble]

"We may inform you of what exactly happened after the negotiations are over... but there were around 3 disasters brewing in our city, all unrelated to each other. In the end, our generator exploded, making the region around our city uninhabitable for the time being."

[bitter glacier]

winterhell...

[atomic pebble]

their city fell due to 3 disasters

the importance of control...

are they dealing with raiders?

they seemed confused when i implied conflict ... 🤔

something is weird

[marble hatch]

They give back Auraj.
They could sleep with eyes closed.

[steep elm]

it's only 1 hour

I forgot to put the time limit

[open pewter]

whats the vanguard and ww offer

[steep elm]

@here

Vanguard #1454153857092288763 message
Sones #1454153857092288763 message
Nric #1454153857092288763 message
WW #1454153857092288763 message

[bitter glacier]

I think he's gonna link them or type them here

[open pewter]

i think ur right

[steep elm]

maybe.

not probable though

[bitter glacier]

I think it's worth noting that when I submitted the Vanguard's offer I thought I implied that my earlier offer would be revoked btw

unsure about @dark marten's offer but still

[steep elm]

I only put it there because they are a bit different and people might identify more with the ones proposed before than the final vanguard proposal

[steep elm]

and Sones has the faction thing which no other has

except the early Clara ones but

yeah, I think you get it

[bitter glacier]

(I also thought that was implied with citizenship & keeping their leadership)

[steep elm]

it's different since they are not staying here but have a faction

very different implications

[bitter glacier]

I see

[marble hatch]

[bitter glacier]

Hullfather wants to sign away our city to the duke

how evil

[sonic pivot]

no way they accept the other proposals

[bitter glacier]

if they want to get our stuff and a piece of our government they ought to live here

no taxation without representation

[atomic pebble]

you guys will get my ppl killed with the vanguard one ...

[austere dock]

I looked at the offers and the most fair offer seems to be the vanguards

-# i keep getting my vote removed XD

Okay but might just be lag

[bitter glacier]

do you want us to propose it to them

[steep elm]

"fair"
they have a hostage, guns and a vehicle which can run over most of our city

[austere dock]

Fir the city under our conditions

[atomic pebble]

you know what

if your proposal wins

yes

go there, i can have one or 2 volunteers go with your ppl

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm does this require a poll as well

[turbid viper]

damn if only there was a group that had ties to the duke

[steep elm]

to change the delegation? yes

[bitter glacier]

would it also be an hour long as per the counteroffer poll

[steep elm]

yes

I won't ping for this one

[bitter glacier]

landslide victory with one vote

[atomic pebble]

Auraj, im not sure if you will survive this

[sour stratus]

Eric k will be honest i like vanguards but please dont pull put your weppons when you go the the crown and also brong oy a few peps

[sour stratus]

Why?

[atomic pebble]

just a feeling

[bitter glacier]

ofc ofc, our offer is one for peaceful integration

[sour stratus]

Like i dont want to die over a missunderstanding

;-;

[bitter glacier]

ofc

@atomic pebble are they armed at the negotiation

I'm curious

[turbid viper]

we'll always remember you, fish

[narrow oar]

pass the baton! pass the baton!

[sour stratus]

Imma be honest vanguards are the second most trusted comunity in my opinion if i dont count tusks

[atomic pebble]

all their negotiators had rifles

[narrow oar]

(sorry for the ping i forgot to turn it off)

[bitter glacier]

how many negotiators

[narrow oar]

as in

[sour stratus]

OF DONT YOU WORRY A DAMN BIT IM NOT DONE WITH YOU

[narrow oar]

you dont trust the settlers

right?

[turbid viper]

its almost as if he was still with us

i can still hear his voice

[atomic pebble]

its not about trust, i just think they might fail the negotiations due to their ideals

[sour stratus]

Give me a reason why i would trust them

[narrow oar]

i dont have one

you think I trust them??

[sour stratus]

Exacly

[sour stratus]

Noone does

[turbid viper]

you shouldnt. I dont trust myself either

[atomic pebble]

4 but they exchanged one guy for a new one after we gave them the coal

so 5

[narrow oar]

whag

[sour stratus]

Well thats another can of worms

[turbid viper]

advanced up the feudal hierarchy

baron to count

[sour stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-get-you-gif-1834222127792525549

[turbid viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371760536881991694/1465298106840125522/built.gif

[sour stratus]

I swear to god wohn

[narrow oar]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kasane-teto-teto-kasane-46

no city files tomorrow

or very late

celebrating birthday

[atomic pebble]

what did you do Wohn

someone is still hidding info

[turbid viper]

i didnt do anything

[atomic pebble]

i dont trust all of you guys

[bitter glacier]

what'd I do

[atomic pebble]

aaahhhhh

[narrow oar]

anyway

[atomic pebble]

i dont know

[narrow oar]

no wait

selected smth

ok, now

[bitter glacier]

wait what's the relations scale again

I forgor

[narrow oar]

horrible crop-job on my end

but yea

uh actually

[bitter glacier]

I just noticed it's uneven

[bitter glacier]

4 negative
neutral
5 positive

[narrow oar]

@steep elm could we ping this, pwease?

[turbid viper]

spread joy and positivity

thats why

[narrow oar]

"on a scale of 1-10 how much do you like them?"

"with 5 being the midground"

[bitter glacier]

it's reminding me of

[narrow oar]

thank yo

[bitter glacier]

the uneven arms

in

[narrow oar]

positivity bias :3

[bitter glacier]

[sonic pivot]

[bitter glacier]

I can't unsee it even on the emoji now

[atomic pebble]

one more marker between dislike and hate?

[bitter glacier]

its so obvious

[narrow oar]

which would be

[turbid viper]

distain?

[bitter glacier]

Dislike
Distrust
Hate

[narrow oar]

-# messing up my colour scheme...

[turbid viper]

but why.. why not keep more positive..

to spread the spirit of friendship

[bitter glacier]

because it's UNEVEN god damn it

[turbid viper]

and whimsy

[sonic pivot]

it is even

[bitter glacier]

and to go from dislike to hate is a big jump imo

[sonic pivot]

it would be odd otherwise

[bitter glacier]

4 negative
1 neutral
5 positive

[atomic pebble]

disfavour mirroring the positive one

[sonic pivot]

10 is even

[narrow oar]

thats not a word

[pseudo bay]

yall should like

[atomic pebble]

0 isnt real

[pseudo bay]

listen to the duke

[bitter glacier]

I don't mean literally I mean in terms of balancing the negative and positive

[bitter glacier]

this isn't your city eyeball

[pseudo bay]

and they'll help the city so much

[atomic pebble]

No!!!!

[turbid viper]

puppet stuff the ballots

[pseudo bay]

it could be

[narrow oar]

but hes a wally

[bitter glacier]

we are not signing away our freedom

[narrow oar]

anyway

[atomic pebble]

what if we just capture him, and upload his knowledge?

[pseudo bay]

freedom? freedom to starve and freeze?

[narrow oar]

PUPPET

[pseudo bay]

smh

[turbid viper]

waow based

[narrow oar]

word between "dislike" and "hate" ?

[bitter glacier]

freedom to remain independent from another's authority

[sonic pivot]

better dead than duke

[bitter glacier]

distrust

[turbid viper]

they're all moralists

[pseudo bay]

Disdain

[turbid viper]

its no use

[pseudo bay]

Or

let me find it...

[atomic pebble]

between skeptical and dislike you can put in disfavour

mirroring the positive side

[narrow oar]

ok thats not

the right pic

[bitter glacier]

lmao

[turbid viper]

yes it is

[narrow oar]

i still dont think thats a word???

[turbid viper]

duke secret weapon

orbital bombardment

[pseudo bay]

its not-

lol

[bitter glacier]

disfavour is a word

[atomic pebble]

what?

[sour stratus]

Have you been keeping up with posts?

[narrow oar]

WHat????

[turbid viper]

whats the mirror of the word we're trying to find

[atomic pebble]

im not crazy

[bitter glacier]

lynch the eyeball

[bitter glacier]

ur not crazy it's a word

oxford says so

[pseudo bay]

not really

barely

[narrow oar]

this works

uhhhhh

[pseudo bay]

been more busy with other stuff

[turbid viper]

respect'nt

[narrow oar]

hey puppet while youre here

unpin the old one and pin this one pwease?

[narrow oar]

or jon

that too

i thought you were doing smth else

[bitter glacier]

-# & vans vs revs would be disdain

[narrow oar]

namely uh

epic redcoat rp with vinnie or smth

[steep elm]

I'm playing suzerain

[sour stratus]

Fair enough

[turbid viper]

based..

what country

[steep elm]

I only start those after I end the poll

[steep elm]

the starting one

the

[atomic pebble]

we already went back

[steep elm]

first one

[bitter glacier]

-# has been an hour since counteroffer poll

[turbid viper]

are you going to be cringe or based

[atomic pebble]

next rp is after polls

[sour stratus]

Im being helt hostage by dukes army

:3

[steep elm]

I don't know what that means

I'm just trying

[atomic pebble]

Shots are heard on the distance

[narrow oar]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sisyphus-ultrakill-1

time for war

[bitter glacier]

did you read our proposal

[narrow oar]

i did

[sour stratus]

Oh dear heavens

[narrow oar]

but i

[turbid viper]

im declaring the reorganised national government of the republic of haberia if we get invaded

[bitter glacier]

it's literally an olive branch to them how is that war

[narrow oar]

i have a suggestion!

[sour stratus]

Oh?

[sonic pivot]

they aint accepting dat 😭

[atomic pebble]

it was nice knowing you Auraj

[sour stratus]

Eh its gonna be fine

[bitter glacier]

I promise I'm not gonna try to get Auraj shot

[turbid viper]

(Auraj will get shot)

[sour stratus]

Not untill i strangle your lights out

[turbid viper]

i can still hear his voice... so long buddy,,,

[austere dock]

No we'll trade Auraj for Wohn

[turbid viper]

no you wont due to the value disparity

auraj is a top guy of the tusks

[atomic pebble]

The Duke dont care for his cogs

[turbid viper]

i am a cog in the duke empire

[turbid viper]

even if he did, he would lose more from doing the exchange

since this shows auraj is a good bargaining chip

[pseudo bay]

hm

blow up the gennie

no one can have it

[atomic pebble]

True!

Wait no dont

[turbid viper]

Okay buddy iceblood

[austere dock]

Trade offer
You get Wohn

We get
Auraj

[turbid viper]

Darn frostlander nomads

[atomic pebble]

Contingency 7 requires a functional city

[turbid viper]

rejected by the duke, "who is wohn"

[sour stratus]

[turbid viper]

i mean you are

since all offers have you being released as a condition

The tusks see you as their biggest priority in this

[austere dock]

That's if they attack us we'll turn the overdrive on, and break the control panel >:3

[sonic pivot]

we should have shot you earlyer

[narrow oar]

i think all of us do actually

[sonic pivot]

cant even trade you

[atomic pebble]

They want the resources, not the gen

[austere dock]

Burn the resources

[turbid viper]

over the city's independence?

[atomic pebble]

I dont think the settlers care

[narrow oar]

well yea but

come the fuck on

[turbid viper]

im going off the tarrys statement

no one made a similar one

[narrow oar]

dont put a price on a life here

[austere dock]

Wohn is the dukes only simpoyhizer XD

[turbid viper]

winston is more of a sympathiser

[narrow oar]

no winston white too

[turbid viper]

actual bootlicker

[austere dock]

Okay 2 bootlickers

[turbid viper]

i am a sovereignist compared to him

[turbid viper]

i am thinking about the greater good of the city first and foremost

[atomic pebble]

We lack info

They could really be just bluffing

And only really have the crown

[austere dock]

Send the lesbians to spy on them XD

[atomic pebble]

Are we missing something obvious?

[narrow oar]

-# apparently

[turbid viper]

the solution is moving out and finding a new city site

trust

[austere dock]

Attack them?

[atomic pebble]

While the settlers stay?

[turbid viper]

idk

I have no opinions on this

[narrow oar]

they have a tank

[turbid viper]

and the same amount of guns

[austere dock]

..We have numbers

[atomic pebble]

Unknow

[turbid viper]

so far we've seen 5

or 4

Idk

so about the same

[atomic pebble]

We probably have more ppl

[turbid viper]

run over

[sonic pivot]

they will be so happy we left the city that theyll forget the crown and we'll steal it

[narrow oar]

clown car

[atomic pebble]

I can kind of solve that (:

[narrow oar]

exactly 126 people in that thang

[turbid viper]

vincent you'll get shot

by the guards

didnt they search you

[atomic pebble]

(:

[turbid viper]

if not then their security sucks

[atomic pebble]

Why would they search me? They asked me to maintain a certain distance

[austere dock]

Send the hottest person in the city to distract the guards XD

[turbid viper]

Did they negotiate inside or outside

[atomic pebble]

Outside

[turbid viper]

Yeah you wont do anything then

[atomic pebble]

Its not an actual tank you know?

[turbid viper]

I'm aware

[atomic pebble]

The tracks while though, arent unbreakable (:

[austere dock]

The hull is probably not that thick either

[sonic pivot]

-# war thunder

[austere dock]

"WE FAILED TO PENETRATE THEIR ARMOUR!"

[atomic pebble]

Doubt anything besides rifle bullets or something stronger will get throught it

[narrow oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280123541903249439/1415773375103762533/tumblr_d83b11690d13b7b0d5b3d713ce83cc3e_93751c7c_540.webp

[austere dock]

Yea probably nothing but guns can do much to the hull itself but maybe whatever is on top of it might be weak to stuff

[atomic pebble]

The top part seems like some kind of weapon

[sonic pivot]

-# first time i read it i missed the "the"

[austere dock]

I'm not talking about Thomas

[bitter glacier]

I didn't realize that was a graph at first

[narrow oar]

okay so

i still have no idea what do

even post birthday.

[steep elm]

Well, the Vanguards' counter offer is the one getting proposed now

So we'll need to wait and see

[narrow oar]

this evening, i spose?

[steep elm]

Need to wait for the other poll to run its course

The main one

So a good amount of hours

[atomic pebble]

What if these guys were warning us?

[bitter glacier]

would they warn us after saying they claim this land

[marble hatch]

I feel Duke is damn desperate due asking few pounds of coal

[timid sandal]

I’d say this is more of a “pledge allegiance to us”

Like a “first batch of resources for the vassalisation” rather than him actually needing that coal

[marble hatch]

Why would they place any demands on us if we don't have anything

So it means they need us

[timid sandal]

Cause duke=god complex

[warm cliff]

Holy shit we are hating???

[warm cliff]

watch as wohm will be eaten by the tension in our city after the end of crisis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204848159088709652/1466172365380517928/ScreenRecording_12-23-2025_12-42-40_1-ezgif.com-crop.gif

[open pewter]

Shouldve killed him

All is lot bro...

[atomic pebble]

That will depend on how Eueueuee handles things

[dark marten]

Puppet wanted us to accept the demands.

Maybe Puppet is the Duke?

[steep elm]

Don't trust her

[atomic pebble]

Puppet wants the downfall of Haber, after all he stole from Polaris.

[marble hatch]

I don't trust anyone except Duke smh

And this bro imprisoned my heir

[dark marten]

[marble hatch]

Envy Muppet arc

[narrow oar]

trust me

lesbian faction soon

-# please

[dark marten]

trust me
-# > please
🤔

[narrow oar]

-# yea

[atomic pebble]

Big faction reshuffle might happen soon

Either that or death

[austere dock]

Or we murder them

[sour stratus]

-# Lesbian legion 🔥

[marble hatch]

[atomic pebble]

:3

[steep elm]

Just like the Redcoats fr fr

[dark marten]

Just like the Vanguards* fr fr

It’ll be interesting to see what zeitgeists the Redcoats have.

perhaps?

[pseudo bay]

Trust me

listen to the Duke

its in your better interest, fr fr

[warm cliff]

Ours?

Or yours?

[pseudo bay]

you lot

[dark marten]

I don’t buy it.

[atomic pebble]

Pokes Eueueueee

[warm cliff]

Slaps @bitter glacier on his back (not in a painful way)

So, any news?

[atomic pebble]

Not yet

[sour stratus]

After kidnaping me?

[pseudo bay]

Yes.

[sour stratus]

And having me hostage?

And haveing me at gunpoint?

[pseudo bay]

Yes.

[sour stratus]

;-;

[open pewter]

when will we have a housing option

[dark marten]

They’ve asked us to give over the War Criminal known as ‘Wohn’.

[bitter glacier]

dies

[atomic pebble]

I know what i must do, but im not sure if im strong enough to do it

[sour stratus]

Oh?

[turbid viper]

There are no international laws in the frostlands

I am beholden to no ones laws but the duke's and haber city's

[warm cliff]

...oh shi

guess I'm in charge now

[atomic pebble]

-# 😶

[bitter glacier]

soooo...

[atomic pebble]

You know what you did

Now we wait for haber

[bitter glacier]

y'know I really don't think I did too bad

[atomic pebble]

-#

[marble hatch]

Duke's head as a trophy? Fr fr

[bitter glacier]

-# at least I thought so...

[atomic pebble]

New cornwall was the Duke city?

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/connor-dbh-rk800-detroit-become-human-dbh-connor-dbh-gif-10451201372116680188

[atomic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-connor-detroit-give-up-suicide-give-up-meme-gif-10421375555309450607

[steep elm]

@here

Week 45; 13:00

The Redcoats completely refused our counter offer, saying that it addresses none of the demands that were brought up in the original offer, making it so they have no interest in it.

This caused the population to be angry with the leaders of the city; being unable to negotiate well with the enemy, not considering what those with the upper hand in this situation want, potentially dooming the city. Rebels are plaguing the city now that it reached maximum Tension, these people advocating for a deal to be concluded so that no war and deaths need to happen.

The Redcoats have given us one more chance, but if another bad offer is given, they won't hold back.

Ask @bitter glacier or @atomic pebble for more details if you wish.

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[bitter glacier]

oh great

[bitter glacier]

why don't we ask them to draft a new offer

[steep elm]

they already gave their offer, their side

it's not up to them to haggle

[turbid viper]

how much rebels are there

[bitter glacier]

yeah but we refused it, so why don't they try making a new, more appealing one

[turbid viper]

because they have the guns

they have the upper hand

[steep elm]

23

[turbid viper]

from what factions

[atomic pebble]

I mean we can accept their deal or slightly modify it, steal their tech and then rebel

[turbid viper]

oh

i think i understand

the black ones?

[steep elm]

yeah

[turbid viper]

Wow revenant collaborators

[fickle linden]

KILL THem

[turbid viper]

being the most populous

[bitter glacier]

my own people...

[fickle linden]

WAR

wAR

WAR

KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

THE DUKES HHEAD WILl Be on a pike in fRONT OF THEIR GRIEVING MOTHEr

[turbid viper]

yeah i think we have to

[bitter glacier]

chill tf out

[turbid viper]

take the L on this one folks

[atomic pebble]

9??

[turbid viper]

we even have an actual fifth column. and its not me. who would've thunk

[fickle linden]

sorry :(

[atomic pebble]

Rev rebels...

[warm cliff]

FUCK IT

WE GO TO WAR

[turbid viper]

@steep elm is haber a rebel?

[turbid viper]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-bro-hand-on-shoulder-gif-11963500747147243380

[bitter glacier]

look, I think we could simply offer them their original offer minus their control over our government

[marble hatch]

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[bitter glacier]

they didn't want to move in due to conflicts so what if we just negotiate a bargain in which we stay independent but have a trade deal between us and them

[turbid viper]

1/6th of the city are rebels

[turbid viper]

brother.

if they rejected this

[steep elm]

revenants are the least united in general, so more prone to division
Tusks also aren't that united, but since their heir is the hostage, they are less prone to rebel
Vanguards were the ones who proposed the failed offer, but very united, so a little bit of rebels
Settlers also aren't that united, but they are less tense in general since the duke is their past leader, so less amount of rebels when in %

[fickle linden]

send the rebels to war

[turbid viper]

a trade deal also wont work

[atomic pebble]

They dont want that

[turbid viper]

splendid idea

very

will work

they definetely wont turn around

[fickle linden]

exactly

[turbid viper]

and stab us

[fickle linden]

we shal fight

[warm cliff]

5 rebels from Vanguards?!

[atomic pebble]

They were plenty clear
They want control and resources

[bitter glacier]

if we hand over control over our city we will erupt into civil war

[turbid viper]

we can self strenghten under foreign rule and get independent once the time is right

[bitter glacier]

no one here wants them to lead us

except this cat

[turbid viper]

im a realist

[warm cliff]

I'm killing Wohn

Anyone against?

[turbid viper]

we took a gamble and it failed

[atomic pebble]

Well yeah, thats why we should just try to get their tech

[bitter glacier]

don't kill him for Haber's sake

[steep elm]

I gave the explanation as to why a little bit above

[warm cliff]

Yeah I saw it

[steep elm]

but yeah

5 whole vanguards

[bitter glacier]

the last thing we need rn is more tension or less trust

[turbid viper]

also

do the rebels have weapons

or are some of ours under their control

like a rebel vanguard with a rifle

etc

rebel revenant with a bow (do they even work in this cold of a temperature)

[atomic pebble]

9 revs rebelling cuz we were the representatives?

[steep elm]

the rebels aren't like
doing riots or anything for now, they are just speaking for a deal to be made already to prevent war

[turbid viper]

i think they're just scared of being

killed

by the duke

[fickle linden]

it warms my heart war is the winning option

[atomic pebble]

I see

[turbid viper]

do those speaking out have weapons

[steep elm]

more because you guys aren't that united + you guys were actually doing well in the negotiations, but now the vanguards kinda made things a bit worse

they are just advocating for a deal to be finalised and no war to happen

and they don't care if it's in the duke favour, since the duke has a lot going for him

[warm cliff]

And what will happen if the war will start?

[turbid viper]

so not rebels?

[turbid viper]

i think we're going to be stabbed

[steep elm]

they are rebels as in they aren't going in agreement with leaders in the whole "we CAN'T give up our independence" or they don't care if Haber gets deposed

as long as there's no war and a deal is made, they support it

even if the current government falls

[turbid viper]

self-preservation above all?

[steep elm]

basically

[turbid viper]

thats reasonable

[turbid viper]

but would they fight (us) in case of war

or

rather

not fight them

and remain passive

[steep elm]

surrender

[turbid viper]

i see

[steep elm]

maybe not the frostlanders, but surrender in general

[turbid viper]

okay i have an idea

[warm cliff]

@atomic pebble They want resourses? What if the only change is in question of keeping the Haber?

[steep elm]

they also want control

[warm cliff]

if we strike a deal of integrating you into their system - will that be okay with them?