🧊Frost Mini - Haber City

[narrow oar]

they!

[dark marten]

Red goes first because its better.
Traffic Light? Red, Yellow, Green.
Basic Colours? Red, Green, Blue.

So. Combine the two.
Red, Yellow, Green, Blue.

[icy quiver]

i mean, it cant hurt to ask?

[dark marten]

🟢

[narrow oar]

i know the ex-frosties are gonna be like

teal-ish

so uh

that ones already taken

[dark marten]

Pft. Teal isn’t real.

It’s just a blue-green-green-blue.

[bitter glacier]

-# aren't ex frosties the tusks

[narrow oar]

-# they split

the ??? is whatever Jincent commands

[steep elm]

the original frosties are Vincent's teal/light blue group

the new windy frosties are the purple group

[narrow oar]

thats not purple

[steep elm]

it is

[dark marten]

Yeah, but the Tusks were purple in that and now they’re blue, so the Frosties can be green.

[narrow oar]

at least its a pretty fuck-ugly purple

[dark marten]

RGB?

Or HEX?

[narrow oar]

-# i prefer reddish purples...

[steep elm]

this is a blue-ish purple since they came from the frosties

[sour stratus]

Its like a neon purple no?

[narrow oar]

fair enough

[turbid viper]

rb

[dark marten]

Not a purple. Just a Reddish-Blue.

[steep elm]

more or less

[steep elm]

Sones Jtone is getting killed next turn

[narrow oar]

also can i just say!

im glad that my thing that i tried, that uh

[dark marten]

125:0:125 is Purple.

🙂‍↕️

[turbid viper]

its purple

[narrow oar]

theyre easily distinguished even if theyre small

it works :D

-#

well mainly because colour but

[steep elm]

yeah

[fickle linden]

Haber next you're gona tell me lightish-red is a colour that already exists!

[narrow oar]

shape too kinda!

[steep elm]

the wards are the easy ones to identify since they have the shield shape

[dark marten]

[narrow oar]

also made a greyscale version for the wards because eric asked nicely

[dark marten]

Already deep in my frequently used.

Higher than 🇬🇧

[narrow oar]

yes checks out for me

[dark marten]

[steep elm]

I don't have nitro so here's for this server

anyway, happy whiteout! hope we don't die so soon.

[narrow oar]

wait did i already ask

do we know how long the whiteout lasts?

[steep elm]

all you know is

[fickle linden]

we're dea

d

[steep elm]

the tusks said it was going to be a "shorter" one

[turbid viper]

wow same first two

[turbid viper]

fire progress tradition man screaming at pensive equality reasonite while a clueless meriter approves...

this says a lot about our society

[open pewter]

amazing! Does this mean prosperity is on the horizon?

[steep elm]

yes (no)

[open pewter]

damn

[open pewter]

-# does this mean is your 3rd favorite

[dark marten]

Do I get lunch on Thursday or do I buy Haber Nitro?

||The real answer is both.||

[sonic pivot]

im there yay

[icy quiver]

I cannot legally post mine

[austere dock]

Uhm 😬

[narrow oar]

-# massive penis emoji

[austere dock]

XD

[dark marten]

Black it out.

[open pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-7434634924845802139

[turbid viper]

a clueless goog adapts and disapproves. A saluting denier prays, a thinker acknowledges the situation, the Polish legion British (verb) and claps. a tomato eagle oog

[dark marten]

[[Redacted]] time.

[icy quiver]

There are deep secrets within

[austere dock]

Black then out :3

[turbid viper]

this is the plot of the future chapter trust

[sonic pivot]

-# it means i talk bad about it more

[austere dock]

Just like those uhm PDF that uhhhhmmm [REDACTED] made but like better ig?

[open pewter]

I dont use emojis often

[austere dock]

Mostly goog emojis

[marble hatch]

[sonic pivot]

-# damn traditions not even there

[open pewter]

out with the old

[icy quiver]

dont sus react me xD

i redacted them

[steep elm]

[steep elm]

[narrow oar]

i agree

[steep elm]

[icy quiver]

[narrow oar]

wait haber

[narrow oar]

you did not just buy nitro for the emotes right

[fickle linden]

man I should post "Become more..." more

[icy quiver]

i enjoy how next to it is the imp doing finger guns, entirely by accident

[steep elm]

Jones Stone granted it to me

[narrow oar]

oh

[icy quiver]

i see that flag

[narrow oar]

fair enough

i do NOT wanna be at fault for you spending cash

[open pewter]

goog...

[fickle linden]

evolvers

[dark marten]

(:

[narrow oar]

[icy quiver]

i would love to be at fault for haber spending all of his money

[steep elm]

Maybe... maybe the wards are the best group... maybe the narrative favours them

[narrow oar]

upcomming haber city community

[icy quiver]

[icy quiver]

xD bribery

[dark marten]

Now we can have emotes in the post. \0/

[narrow oar]

"some fucking merit group - Starring "Danestro" "

[icy quiver]

xD

[steep elm]

Indeed

[narrow oar]

HOOOOOOOOOOOLY SHIT

im stealing these

[icy quiver]

you jelly? xD

[dark marten]

Can we get one with 3 midsections?

[icy quiver]

megahaj

[dark marten]

Heheheh.

So goofy.

[icy quiver]

🏳️‍⚧️⚧

[dark marten]

Only special one I think I have.

[narrow oar]

[dark marten]

[narrow oar]

thievery is fun

[dark marten]

As are .

So thanks again!

[narrow oar]

:3

again im waiting for vinnie to wake up for the last one

so yea

[dark marten]

Bah. It can’t beat the !

[narrow oar]

https://tenor.com/view/kasane-teto-teto-kasane-kasane-teto-doctor-gif-3301827803990235043

ill try :3

logo design is fun

[austere dock]

All the ones I have access too

[narrow oar]

donk

[austere dock]

I have a bunch

[narrow oar]

i have all of the Vampire the Masquerade factions as trans flags

[austere dock]

Lol

[icy quiver]

[icy quiver]

Its a transplant

heheheheheh

[narrow oar]

anyway

im glad yall like the art

im going to bed

[icy quiver]

it was so good

[dark marten]

Goodnight!

May the protect your dreams!

[steep elm]

May the stay away from them

[marble hatch]

We'll see how it goes
Rest well

[sour stratus]

-# They are evil

[steep elm]

-# @here not a post, but please vote

[narrow oar]

-# i like polls :3

[steep elm]

3k messages

[narrow oar]

DO YOU HEAR US HABER

[steep elm]

No, I'm inside the institute

[marble hatch]

Can we pay a visit and well-feed this lonesome pal?

[steep elm]

That's Jincent

In the Institute

[marble hatch]

Ye

[steep elm]

He has Haber for company, don't worry

[marble hatch]

Okay

[narrow oar]

theyre playing uno probably

[marble hatch]

Probably

[icy quiver]

Poor guy xD

[bitter glacier]

considering that an overwhelming majority favor the title "Vanguards" I'm gonna consider this poll closed for the purposes of helping haber

[marble hatch]

[icy quiver]

you guard that van!

[narrow oar]

ill draw the revenants when im not

yknow

sitting in an ambulance

[marble hatch]

Get better than ever

[narrow oar]

as an emt

not as a patient

[marble hatch]

Oh, sounds like a very rare job

Good luck

[marble hatch]

Still .

[narrow oar]

https://tenor.com/view/kasane-teto-teto-kasane-kasane-teto-doctor-gif-3301827803990235043

[icy quiver]

im glad you are not sick lol

[bitter glacier]

or gravely injured

[narrow oar]

most people tend to call ab ambulance for like

pretty minor shit

or they just

"oh im glad you arrived, you see i tripped and fell and i have UNBEARABLE back pain ever since"

"Ah im sorry to hear, when did this fall happen?"

"about 3 weeks ago"

"..."

[icy quiver]

We've had to call a couple of times for spouse

A possible concussion where they never arrived despite waiting 8 hours into the night

Asthma attack that medicine didn't seem to be halting(but did by the time they arrived)

And an intense womb area based pain they gave them morphine for and took them in overnight for to get a scan and monitoring

[narrow oar]

fym they never arrived???

that sounds horrible

[atomic pebble]

I just saw an old lady that was waiting for an ambulance.

She was on the floor, looks like she feel backwards and ||i think she craked the back of her head open||.

[narrow oar]

ah.

[atomic pebble]

She seemed fine'ish, she even wanted to get up. (Besides the blood)

[icy quiver]

So it was deemed like less important that like cardiac events

So it kept being diverted

And eventually we were just like

Cancel it were going to bed

[narrow oar]

yeah thats fair but like

damn.

sorry to hear

[icy quiver]

it is what it is xD

[bitter glacier]

I'm never calling an ambulance unless there isn't literally any other option

[narrow oar]

eric are you american?

[bitter glacier]

yes

[narrow oar]

checks out

[bitter glacier]

-# in fact I ought to learn advanced first aid just to give me more options than an ambulance

[icy quiver]

less of a concern for me as a brit lol

its ridiculous how much ambulances cost tho over there

[austere dock]

Yea I got injured once well in the US (I hurt my ankle fairly badly) well in one of the cities and I decided the best decision of the day would be to just to get an Uber back to the hotel

[narrow oar]

im sorry eric law

[atomic pebble]

Bad timing, everyone is currently housed.

Whiteout is a bigger danger

[bitter glacier]

currently

but true

I'll draft more laws

[marble hatch]

I like your idea, maybe we will be able to manage it with wood

[icy quiver]

if we can last the white out then apply insulation that will reduce our coal usage

and we can stockpile

if we haev to do it during white out, we may lose some people, but if it means survival..

[steep elm]

@here

Vanguards

some people of the frostlander groups were converted to Wards this last turn, and as a part of reinforcing their unity, they have also made a new name for themselves: Vanguards

Some of the new vanguards are still in the same housing as the frostlander groups... which could cause tension to increase if not dealt with quickly.

Revenants

Those that follow Jincent have decided on a new name for their group, to differentiate themselves from the Tusks

Tusks

Their leader presents himself: Tarry Hhomson... he looks kinda normal... maybe...

Settlers

5 new Settlers just arrived in the middle of a whiteout. How fun.

-# [past post](#1454153857092288763 message)
-# [next post](#1454153857092288763 message)

[icy quiver]

will building something cause sickness and death?

[steep elm]

no

[icy quiver]

thast good

do we have anything we could make at a factory rn?

are those 5 new settlers homeless? or did we shove em in somewhere

[steep elm]

buildings are made by the professional builders
putting insulation in something already built isn't something people are used to doing, so both the people inside the place and the ones doing insulation are in danger

[steep elm]

everyone that is homeless is always shown next to the bunker

the settlers removed the 1 vanguard that was in their barrack to get 2 settlers to not be homeless

[atomic pebble]

Reverends?

Wasnt it Revenants?

[steep elm]

typo

[atomic pebble]

Ah

[steep elm]

I don't have an emoji to copy from

so I wrote it wrong

[steep elm]

factories can do more stuff here, but what exactly is secret

[icy quiver]

okay so its not like build a factory, then we have to do other things to have anything to build in them

[icy quiver]

whats our fuel situation like

how much we making/using

[steep elm]

I show some initial options and I show more as time goes on
or people can propose stuff to make

[steep elm]

demand not enough

supply*

[icy quiver]

those are two very different things xD

[steep elm]

we had a big increase in demand due to the whiteout

[austere dock]

At least we have the bunker so they are technically houses

[steep elm]

I just returned from a short walk under an infernal sun

[icy quiver]

will another coal mine, meet demand

oooh

[austere dock]

Worse then in a barks but still

[steep elm]

perhaps, could be if we put foremen and double shifts in it

[icy quiver]

okay cause if there was no chance of it meeting demand, id say housing or factory, but with it being able to if we pack it, thats worth

[bitter glacier]

so now we DO need housing

who could have thought

[icy quiver]

no point making more housing, if we are gunna run out of coal and have everyone freeze to death in their home

how we doing on food? do we have any extra atm to throw in the jewel?

[bitter glacier]

I refuse to let this city die

[icy quiver]

im just afraid we will lose the ability to factory if we dont

[austere dock]

Haber gonna let the city die one day XD

[icy quiver]

but no point having a factory if gen shuts off and we freeze to death

[steep elm]

the Four Horsemen of the Whiteout

[icy quiver]

beautiful

[austere dock]

Amazing

[plucky breach]

Where's Knna Aurlin

[marble hatch]

Looks cool

[bitter glacier]

haber, I'd like to set aside the 5 new Vanguards to be placed in extra shifts if/when the coal mine is built

for now, I'd like to place them on patrol

[sonic pivot]

-# no merit 🔥

[steep elm]

out in the froslands somewhere

[steep elm]

[plucky breach]

when does she arrive though

[verbal musk]

opj9awsdowani

Haber

Fix this plez

[bitter glacier]

also how many Vanguards would I need on patrol to be sufficient for bonuses

[verbal musk]

I don't want to see these egalitarians winning

Wenry Hinter when and where

[turbid viper]

can i rename the settlers too

[atomic pebble]

That Tarry guy, there is something unsettling about him.
He doesnt look like a frostlander

[verbal musk]

but he looks pretty normal, i dunno

[steep elm]

idk, right now we're full on groups

you be can in one of the frostlander groups, like Sones Jtones is in the Vanguards but isn't a leaders

or wait for a group to be exiled

[steep elm]

no

[turbid viper]

evil

[steep elm]

yes

I am evil

evik

[turbid viper]

evik

[dark marten]

Name spotted.

[austere dock]

-# Let the lesbians form a group in the city

[dark marten]

[bitter glacier]

yeah you can join my list of notable Vanguards

[verbal musk]

Where are all the COOL factions at

Where are the Allseers

[bitter glacier]

we ARE the cool faction

we have guns

[verbal musk]

False

Okay

Maybe true

[bitter glacier]

and

[verbal musk]

Ew, nevermind

[austere dock]

No that's wrong you don't have girlkissers in your faction :3

[bitter glacier]

guys

all our guns just disappeared

[steep elm]

the alleyes

[bitter glacier]

and a note was left behind

[verbal musk]

it works, but where are they

[bitter glacier]

"taken because you have no girlkissers"

[marble hatch]

For now, to carry on through whiteout is the main thing

[verbal musk]

I'll be coping for in frost radio, and for alleyes in Haber radio

[austere dock]

:3c

[atomic pebble]

Harrison what do you think the Duke is...

[bitter glacier]

does someone count as a girlkisser if they are a guy kissing girls 🤔

[austere dock]

Nope

[bitter glacier]

damn

[austere dock]

Not for this it's only lesbians XP

[bitter glacier]

😔

I never said the Vanguards are against lesbians

[marble hatch]

For now I think how to contribute to the Haber City with Lumberjacks and Scouts
I feel Déjà Vu

[austere dock]

Not a full on faction for it though

[dark marten]

I’d argue that someone who isn’t against it is for it.

[sonic pivot]

hes not here so were fine for now

[dark marten]

Therefore a Faction who isn’t against it is for it.

[steep elm]

I don't know about that, you can definitely just neither contribute or be against a cause

[atomic pebble]

a leader claiming to be adaptation "for now"... you might get killed you know?

[plucky breach]

I'll show up and be the annoying Bloodice

[steep elm]

bloodyicer

[dark marten]

In a binary yes/no case, if you aren’t against a law passing than you are for it.

The law can either pass or fail. Not voting is never the right option.

[austere dock]

Yea a neutral stance on something could be both the "I don't care about that" or "please keep that out" or any other form of neither strongly against or for something

[austere dock]

You can abstain from the vote

[marble hatch]

Want to be a tusk member?

[austere dock]

Therefore not giving a yes/no opinion

[dark marten]

Which side are you on? Which side are you on?

[plucky breach]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-austin-powers-gif-17640212

[marble hatch]

Are we decreasing our coal stockpiles?

[steep elm]

yup

[verbal musk]

guys, the lumberjack posts are using greatly more coal, if we insulate them, we might be doing WAY better than housing

[marble hatch]

Though original post decreased the need in coal marginally

[verbal musk]

still a lot of coal usage

and we have TWO of them

[icy quiver]

we only have 1 lumber post i thought?

[verbal musk]

Wait

Actually?

[icy quiver]

did we build another?

i thought we built something else?

[verbal musk]

oh well

then housing's better

[icy quiver]

lets insulate the institute xD so haber breaks a sweat xD

[marble hatch]

Could Tusks use wood from lumberjack post to expand their existing houses for comfort of dwelling? And perhaps decline the usage of asbestos insulation on their houses if it'll win the vote?

[bitter glacier]

I forgot you're the tusk leader now

[marble hatch]

After storm asbestos would be a problem

It'd anyway cause deaths and sickness, some cold is better as I see it

[icy quiver]

i mean, id argue it causes no issues in fp2, it was decades before the dangers of asbestos manifested, i feel like we can get away with it

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm is there any way I can either decrease tension or get the Vanguards in random places to live in the same place, ideally not shared with any kind of frostie

[marble hatch]

I mean
From perspective of it's not so needed since storm is supposed to be short

[marble hatch]

@steep elm can I recruit those who sit in houses of my group?

[bitter glacier]

[marble hatch]

There's whole... 2 Vanguards

[bitter glacier]

those two Vanguards are set to work in the coal mines and get us critical fuel

[turbid viper]

@steep elm i'd like to cram the remaining homeless settlers into each of the 3 settler houses

[bitter glacier]

along with their 3 friends in the other house

[bitter glacier]

how bad is it in the trenches, I might just have the 5 in frostie homes live there if it's not too bad

[marble hatch]

We can burn some wood

[bitter glacier]

what a waste

[atomic pebble]

Oy

[marble hatch]

Perhaps

[atomic pebble]

Did you recruit my guys?

[bitter glacier]

I recruited some of the would-be tusks

[turbid viper]

they should be able to adapt anyways

its their natural habitat

[bitter glacier]

because of housing limits some ended up staying in frostie homes

[atomic pebble]

I lost 3 members

[bitter glacier]

either way you have the entire frostland

[atomic pebble]

[bitter glacier]

it's true

you can't deny that

[atomic pebble]

-# Help with the expansion of the logistics center later and we are good. (After whiteout)

[bitter glacier]

-# I'll need time after the whiteout to deal with the consequences, but once we recover it'll be my top priority

[marble hatch]

There was 27 of us originally, some of mine folks stayed under your command i suppose

[atomic pebble]

First splintering

Tusks had 22 and Revenants 23

Lots of settlers around 🤔

[marble hatch]

We need more fuel

[bitter glacier]

coal mine & presumedly double shifts in it could cover that

the real question after that is housing

[icy quiver]

haber said another mine adn double shifts and a foreman would manage our coal

and then if we insulate that should decrease our coal usage slightly

[austere dock]

Yea

[bitter glacier]

settlers have enough people for one shift in a coal mine and then a foreman

I have enough people for a second shift but no foreman

[icy quiver]

we may have to tap a different faction for the second shift

[bitter glacier]

Vanguards don't hate second shifts so we should take the second shift

pretty sure all my Vanguards are foremen, second shifters, or patrolling

[icy quiver]

unless we really need the wood, it might be an idea to pull back from the lumbre post for a bit,

[marble hatch]

Tusks would mine more without Revenants for some more food in exchange

[bitter glacier]

as in, extended shifts?

the best foreman so far is a Catanian foreman

[marble hatch]

More than under warden's watch
Night is for sleep

[bitter glacier]

Vanguard foremen are alright but don't risk tension with frosties

[bitter glacier]

all my Vanguards are nocturnal atp lol

[marble hatch]

kek

[icy quiver]

lets hop everyone up on amphetamines so thry dont need sleep

[bitter glacier]

according to Haber himself

[marble hatch]

amphetamines are for special occasions, nuh

[icy quiver]

xD

[steep elm]

the lumberjack wood is used for everyone's construction, if you want to take some of the wood to make houses for yourself you can, but you'll be diverting resources that would otherwise go to the decisions where everyone votes for buildings, which could antagonise the other groups

[steep elm]

we don't have enough barracks right now; your only option is putting them in the bunker. I allowed the "cramming frostlanders in a house" thing because it was something made in preparation to the whiteout; not during it

you either maintain the housing crammed the way it is and cause some tension, or you get them out of there to the bunker

[steep elm]

no

[bitter glacier]

how bad are the trenches

in comparison to the houses

[marble hatch]

Fair

[steep elm]

cramming is something made in preparation to the whiteout rather than during it

if you guys want to cram people whenever you like, you need to enact a law

[steep elm]

in comparison, pretty bad

but not as cold anymore due to the bunker

[bitter glacier]

whats the sickness and death risk

[icy quiver]

do you like roll dice each turn to see how many sick or dead there are xD

[steep elm]

secret

[steep elm]

everything is at high risk right now due to the whiteout and lack of coal

[bitter glacier]

is there anything else I can do for tension other than seperating Vanguards from frosties

[steep elm]

you don't have much manpower
in fact, no group really does right now, except for the settlers

you need to go see if they can do anything

it's impossible to solve everything alone

[bitter glacier]

I'll take that as a no

[steep elm]

more like

you can do stuff as long as you use... the power of friendship

[bitter glacier]

tell Wohn to ping me later

[steep elm]

@turbid viper ping him later or something

[bitter glacier]

wait and that Sones guy

as a Vanguard member he deserves a seat in the discussion

@dark marten & @turbid viper lmk when y'all are both available

[dark marten]

I am available.

[bitter glacier]

Wohn doesn't appear to be atm

[marble hatch]

It'd reduce some tension
Perhaps...

[turbid viper]

i am engaging in culture

but i am available

for the next hour and a half

[bitter glacier]

we need to work together to solve this tension crisis

Haber says I can't do anything on my own

so I'm reaching out to you with hopes we can get something done together

[turbid viper]

What do you suggest

[bitter glacier]

so we don't really have the luxury of separating Vanguards and frosties so unless we summon a house that's not gonna work

haber was the one who said you have the most manpower iirc

[sour stratus]

Why does Tarry look like that one asgor meme

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-undertale-deltarune-gif-8006577193793263180

[turbid viper]

you want me to build them an enclave? Wow

[marble hatch]

What about rewarding all workers with food to decrease some tension and assure everything is fine once more?

[bitter glacier]

I doubt the frosties will like that

or at least

the jincent ones

we're already rationing food as per their suggestion

[marble hatch]

Don't know about this Jincent, but I would assist with it

[icy quiver]

do we even have that much surplus food?

[bitter glacier]

in pretty sure we do

[marble hatch]

About 42 raw...
In cooked it's about 84

[atomic pebble]

im not sure, the witheout effect caused some waste on preparation

Jincent would be ok with it as long as we dont go into a defict of food, extra rations would also help with sickness.

[marble hatch]

Maybe give more food to coal mine workers so they could work with more strength

We could make a distribution of stockpiled food if we'll get a third coal mine or lumberjack post
And then I could propose to make existing houses more comfortable with wood and metal, at least 2 of them for a price of a building maybe, it would ease up tension further

[dark marten]

Hmmm...

[steep elm]

our surplus right now is

1.4 raw food

because our hothouses are not fully staffed

[icy quiver]

Ah why not

[marble hatch]

I guess because Tusks left them with appearance of the group

[steep elm]

No

One of the effects of the whiteout is that the auto hothouses each need 4 workers instead of 2

And we don't have enough Revenants for that

[marble hatch]

Oh, I just thought not fully staffed means they also lack in people

[steep elm]

Well, yes

They lack workers

Since they're only half staffed

They are only working at half capacity

[marble hatch]

Oh
got it now

[marble hatch]

Can I send free people from my side to help with hothouses?

[steep elm]

You can

They won't have the bonus that the Revenants have

But you can

[marble hatch]

Hm
Do we need operating Log centre to keep Lumberjack post active?

[steep elm]

The Log centre is for expeditions, so it has nothing to do with the lumberjack post since they are in opposite directions when in relation to the city

[marble hatch]

Well, I think expeditions are a dangerous thing during whiteout
So, if @atomic pebble is not against, I can abandon Log center for now and take lumberjack post completely to myself, in such way he would have enough people to fulfill hothouses and provide the maximum of food from them

[narrow oar]

so wait

in this whiteout uh

• scouting is stopped because yeah

-the mines are worse

-hothouses need more people

all in all

could be worse

[steep elm]

All the effects are in the post before this one

[narrow oar]

yeah ill take a look in a sec

also ill do the icon in avit

a bit*

[steep elm]

The mines are normal

[narrow oar]

ah right

also seeing the art of tarry

[atomic pebble]

i mean yeah, we cant explore during an whiteout...

[narrow oar]

jincent still looks like the only human.

in the council

other than haber

[atomic pebble]

haber has no face

[turbid viper]

What about Wohn

[narrow oar]

the cat who sold the wooorld

[atomic pebble]

he still is locked inside the institute

[marble hatch]

Still hides in the institute

[icy quiver]

Can we fix the hothouse heating?

When we have enough coal will that sort the problem?

If we can't do anything during white out, will the hothouses return to 2 workers post whiteout?

[steep elm]

It can be fixed

But that depends

on certain choices

[icy quiver]

XD and when do we work out what those are

[marble hatch]

Then so it'll be

[steep elm]

Maybe they are already here... maybe they will arrive soon... maybe you need to think very hard about every decision you make and every possible consequences

[narrow oar]

yknow other than the uh

tension thing

we are doing pretty well!

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm is it possible to distribute fliers that reduce tension like the propaganda center in FP1

it'd use wood ofc

[steep elm]

Yeah

You want vanguard propaganda? The authoritarianism is coming early...
-# /j

[atomic pebble]

But we could burn the excess materials in the Jewel...

Or build something else...

[marble hatch]

Or make the houses more comfortable

[bitter glacier]

its about stopping tension from boiling over

4/5

there will be no city if we kill each other

[bitter glacier]

then I'd like to do that, for what its worth at least

[atomic pebble]

Solving the root issues will also solve tension.

[narrow oar]

oh shit fr

[bitter glacier]

thats not an option rn

not enough housing space

[narrow oar]

its hard solving much of anything MID whiteout

[atomic pebble]

Sounds like excuses

[narrow oar]

:3 SWEEEEP

[narrow oar]

yknow what im noticing

most of these logos are very

circular

and tbf i like it

anyway better late than never

The Revenants

-# The Undying Wanderers

[steep elm]

-# they aren't scouts anymore

[narrow oar]

-# FUCK

-# vinnie thinks the compass motifs look good tho

-# im not changing the thing

[steep elm]

-# just change the explorers part

-# make them wanderers or smth

[narrow oar]

-# like this?

[steep elm]

-# ...

[narrow oar]

-# okay okay i get it

-# jeez tough crowd

[steep elm]

-# yeah, now it looks good

[steep elm]

-# I need to keep my nonchalant image smh...

[narrow oar]

you already have it as an emote bt

w

[steep elm]

w

[atomic pebble]

The emote look so great too

[narrow oar]

also one thing

[atomic pebble]

w

[narrow oar]

this

is some mario galaxy bullshit

like every time you talk about a group it just happens

[steep elm]

Our Vanguards are getting beaten up by some Tusks!

[narrow oar]

"oh yea youre a member of a group now right?"

"Yeah im a part of the Vanguards "

"how the Fuck do you do that with your mouth"

[bitter glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/ebspark-eb-spark-eb-spark-ego-gif-11106624287947924041

[bitter glacier]

I love it

[narrow oar]

alright ive been thinking

do we have issues except for cold atm?

and ergo sickness but thats bc cold

we are good-ish on food

[marble hatch]

"Wrestling match time!"

[atomic pebble]

Slight coal defict

[narrow oar]

right and thats gonna be uh

fixed with the new mine

we do have workforce left right?

some settlers i think?

yeah 6 so uh

checks out

[atomic pebble]

We probably need more housing and or insulation

Eueee messed up the housing situation by recruiting from the frostlanders 😔

[narrow oar]

youd think that, even IF they become vans that the uh

ex-revenants are gonna keep their temperature resistance?

[atomic pebble]

I Dont think so (?)

Also we dont know exactly the tusks bonuses

[icy quiver]

those will be needed for the mine i think as soon as its up

[narrow oar]

yea thats

exactly what i meant

[icy quiver]

ahhhhhhhh

[narrow oar]

[icy quiver]

i think haber said, to meet our coal demand, wed need double shifts and a foreman

[icy quiver]

shh

[narrow oar]

thats

managable

i think

[icy quiver]

but once coal demand is met, we have food rationing and a surplus, peopel arent happy, but at minimum i think we will survive

[narrow oar]

happiness can be a post-whiteout issue

[dark marten]

We need more food and more coal.

[icy quiver]

true

if more peopel arrive during the whiteout we can shove them to get the hot houses up to full capacity

[narrow oar]

-# I also have a suggestion

-# to deal with newcomers and get new food

[icy quiver]

josie no

not the cannabalism

[narrow oar]

cannabism

[icy quiver]

we arent that deseprateee xD

wed get more food putting 4 newcomers to wrok in the hot houses

[narrow oar]

i also have another suggestion but that one isnt as important

[icy quiver]

oh?

girlkisser faction? XD

[narrow oar]

yes

but tbf

haber said we had enough groups

so im

[icy quiver]

True

[steep elm]

Just get one of others to die

[open pewter]

Kill settlers after they give us their technology

[icy quiver]

Or increase the city size to the point haber allows another

[open pewter]

Booooo

[narrow oar]

wait is it city size dependant or like

a hard 4 cap

if its a hard cap we need to kill the tusks

[icy quiver]

I don't know

Let's find out

[atomic pebble]

Tension crisis due the double shifts?

[atomic pebble]

Like the one you get high?

[narrow oar]

yea!

[icy quiver]

maybe.. but its that or we run out of coal and freeze to death..

and one of those things is easier to deal with

[atomic pebble]

Renevants wont die from cold as long as we have shelter.

[icy quiver]

hmmm true but with no heat the hothouses wont make food, how long can you go without eating xD

[atomic pebble]

Hmm foraging during the witheout will be harder 🤔 ...

[icy quiver]

yeah see

only together can we survive

[atomic pebble]

We could eat a few settlers tho...

[icy quiver]

if they are frozen solid, and you have no coal or heat, how you guynna thaw em or cook em

[dark marten]

Truly doing the Thinker part of Technocrats proud.

[narrow oar]

we are only one off from being bohemians

[icy quiver]

no eating people! XD

[dark marten]

Rastafarian Bavarians are better.

To quote another server.

[icy quiver]

XD

[atomic pebble]

Maybe that factory wouldnt be such a bad choice...

-# 😋

[bitter glacier]

that's not happening on my watch

[icy quiver]

First you'd have to take off your watch and leave it somewhere someone could stand on

So that's not limiting it much

[bitter glacier]

what if... Haber City is my watch...

[icy quiver]

:O

are you saying we all exist in a tiny space on the face of your watch?

[atomic pebble]

Im not sure if Haber would like that

[icy quiver]

what are we hooville? XD

[bitter glacier]

yes

[atomic pebble]

What even are you Vanguards watching?

[icy quiver]

wild

[icy quiver]

the van

its in the name duhh xD

[atomic pebble]

Whats in the Van?

[icy quiver]

we must never look

[bitter glacier]

[REDACTED]

[icy quiver]

thats why its guarded

[narrow oar]

🎉

[icy quiver]

may their sacrifice not be in vain

[sour stratus]

Hey rhey will be warm

[marble hatch]

Nay, my houses stay away from it

[icy quiver]

the ones outside putting insulation on wont be xD

[narrow oar]

yeah...

[icy quiver]

you realize the deaths and sickness are from the houses being modified, not from the asbestos right?

[narrow oar]

well they uh

get a couple years before it sets in?

ah wait

[marble hatch]

[narrow oar]

yeah that checks out

[atomic pebble]

Cant we just move ppl to the bunker during renovations?

[icy quiver]

there would still be some sickness and death risk, from moving about during white out of the people inside, and the people doing the work

we could do it only during work time to minimize risk to people inside

but idk what habers thouhgts are

[atomic pebble]

Settlers are the ones doing the building, we will only have acceptable losses

[steep elm]

People in the bunker won't get cooked food and will have worser conditions, so they could still die from being exposed/returning

• the game engine doesn't support it 😔

[steep elm]

Settlers are not the ones necessarily doing the insulation stuff

They do the usual normal buildings, not necessarily the upgrades

[turbid viper]

the frosters like to insulate

[atomic pebble]

Imagine being builders, but not knowing how to do renovations...

Smh my head

[icy quiver]

what about doing it when everyones out working, surely people who live there wont be at more risk than usual from the insulation process

[steep elm]

Not everyone in a house is working + it'll take more time then since they are not working all the time + when you modify the house cold air is going to get in anyway at night unless we take the time to patch up the house everyday which will take even more time and make the ones modifying the house even more likely to die or get sick

[icy quiver]

ah :/

[bitter glacier]

they don't get cooked food?

[icy quiver]

the houses have lil stoves for cooking

the bunker doesnt

[marble hatch]

We cook raw food at homes

[atomic pebble]

Imagine not knowing about these

-# Requirements:
-# Snow
-# Fuel

[icy quiver]

Its that second one lol

[austere dock]

How Frostlanders stayed warm during the great storm

[atomic pebble]

(Not really, those are one-use improvised furnaces)

[austere dock]

Shhhh the Polarisians won't know the difference

[bitter glacier]

so the homeless are causing food inefficiency...

[narrow oar]

nric no

[turbid viper]

nric yes

[marble hatch]

Erm...

Whatever Haber will answer

[turbid viper]

wait

how does the cooking apparatus fit in there.

if its only a tiny corridor

@steep elm answer this inconsistency

[marble hatch]

5th dimension

[icy quiver]

Hangs from the ceiling

They duck under to leave

[steep elm]

corner

like

opposite from the entrance

[turbid viper]

didnt you say the corridor was comically small

[turbid viper]

how do they get in the last one

[steep elm]

walk on top of the other beds

sacrifices must be made for home soup

do you want me to write an event where someone burns themselves because they try to walk on top of the stove to get into bed?

[bitter glacier]

no I really dont

[steep elm]

btw did you end up wanting to do that paper propaganda thing or not

[verbal musk]

Wait, are the beds united?

[steep elm]

right next to each other

not necessarily united

[verbal musk]

Can’t we in theory cram more than 5 people inside?

2 sleep on the floor

[steep elm]

this is the max

[timid sandal]

Awh lovebirds

[verbal musk]

And 2-3 more in the beds

[steep elm]

only 1 on the floor

[steep elm]

but tension

[steep elm]

the beds are already pretty small

unless we do an overcrowding law

[verbal musk]

Can we have measurements for how big it is

[steep elm]

this is the max

[steep elm]

no

[verbal musk]

Exactly what I was insinuating

In times of

Peril

We can cram more people in a house

One on floor, and I think 2-3 more can fit in the beds

[steep elm]

the beds are

[verbal musk]

Also, how large is the ceilling

How high is the ceilling

[steep elm]

those things where there are two on top of each other

that I forgot the name

[verbal musk]

But

If they’re two beds on top of eachother

5 of them

[steep elm]

bunk beds

[verbal musk]

Shouldn’t 10 fit per house

[steep elm]

well yes

10 per house

[verbal musk]

Am I stupid or where did I

I’m stupid

Alright

I thought it’s 5 for some reason

[steep elm]

5 is

amount of workers per mines

[verbal musk]

A

[steep elm]

for 1 shift

[verbal musk]

You know what’s funny?

The tents in TLA are bigger than Haber City’s houses

Or at least a house in TLA is bigger than Haber City house

I’m saying mainly due to the housing law images

[marble hatch]

Haber's houses twice bigger than the generator, so I don't think so

[steep elm]

@here

Our third Coal mine, coal mine gamma, has been opened and alleviated some of our deficit, although not completely. Haber has been having some ideas of what to do the 3 of them, but to do so, he would need a factory...

there has been a situation

the Vanguards that were taking care of our food stockpiles caught a Revenant stealing food.

He is a worker of the medical post, and the emergency rationing was making him go crazy, as he arrived here after the early days and is not used to the city's way of rationing

That being said, we need to have some way of dealing with criminals in Haber city... which we shall vote on now.

This is the way that will be used to deal with all criminals; a crime against the city is a crime against all
-# maybe later a group could sneak in an amendment to make sentences against them lesser... but for now let's focus on the immediate effects.

-# [past post](#1454153857092288763 message)
-# [next post](#1454153857092288763 message)

Executions
We have no resources to deal with criminals while also trying to survive. Dealing with it so harshly so quickly will establish a precedent.

• +Crime will Significantly decrease.
• Requires an execution platform.
• -Tension might increase depending on the person being executed.
• -People will die.

Exiles
Anyone who commits a crime will be exiled from Haber City. If it is a death sentence or not, it depends on them.

• +Crime will Slightly Decrease.
• -People will be exiled.

Reintegration
Criminals shall be imprisoned to be later reintegrated. Nothing can go wrong.

• +Trust will Slightly increase.
• Requires Prison.
• -3 Vanguards are needed per every 10 prisoners.

Warning
If people commit a crime, they will be warned and reprimanded, but no direct actions will be taken against them. Other's judgement is punishment enough.

• -Tension might increase and other consequences may happen depending on the crime and the individual's affiliation.

[turbid viper]

where is forced labour.

[steep elm]

that would be no different then not giving them a punishment

technically everyone here is doing forced labour

[turbid viper]

you lack vision

[verbal musk]

Executions

I didn’t even read law stats

Executions

[steep elm]

the only difference would be that they go sleep in prison
which might be better than the houses at this point

[verbal musk]

Isn’t exile and executions the same fate, but one is seen by all, the other seen by none?

[turbid viper]

Why are you people moralists

[verbal musk]

Exiling them during a whiteout is a dwath sentence

[turbid viper]

We cannot afford prisons.

Acting against the survival of the group is equivalent to trying to kill it

[narrow oar]

i have a suggestion

[turbid viper]

It must be dealt with accordingly

[verbal musk]

We can’t afford the Vanguards wasted who will reintegrate the criminals

[warm cliff]

Let them work while they are in prison

[turbid viper]

they need to be watched by someone

[narrow oar]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40000-wh40k-adeptus-mechanicus-connecting-connected-gif-15126141

[turbid viper]

its an upgrade from housing

which we have

[warm cliff]

We have vanguards?

[turbid viper]

same working conditions

[verbal musk]

Panopticon

[turbid viper]

which is wasteful

[verbal musk]

Guys

What if

Panopticon

[warm cliff]

Let them look out for them

[verbal musk]

Trust

[turbid viper]

kill the bastards

[verbal musk]

Genuinely exile is a worse execution

And reintegration wastes workforce

[warm cliff]

3 people to watch out for 10 isn't that wasteful

[steep elm]

my energy went down, maybe this Haber City post was too much for my energy supply

[warm cliff]

Besides, we only have like

1 criminal rn?

[turbid viper]

and why should we expend them on people that are trying to kill us

[warm cliff]

Wdym

[steep elm]

building a prison would be

they are technically fighting for every building they do

[verbal musk]

Haber, do we still need 3 Vanguards to watch the one criminal?

[steep elm]

1

[warm cliff]

Oh, hm...

Well, either way, how many people do we have rn?

[turbid viper]

warnings are the terrible option

exile is just half-hearted executions

[verbal musk]

We’re wasting TWO people if we pass Reintegration, instead of ONE from execution

[warm cliff]

True

[steep elm]

1 vanguard up to 3
2 vanguards from 4 to 6
3 guards from 7 to 10

[verbal musk]

They’re weaker executions

Absolutely useless

[turbid viper]

reintegration is wasteful

[narrow oar]

84 and Haber

[verbal musk]

Vote for executions instead of exile

[warm cliff]

I mean, we can spare one guy to look out for a pair of criminals?

[verbal musk]

So MANY reintegration votes

[narrow oar]

haber

[turbid viper]

why should they look out for them

[steep elm]

needs to be a vanguard

[turbid viper]

why should expend diligent, law abiding citizens for that.

[steep elm]

and currently all vanguards are busy

[turbid viper]

to supervise scum

of the earth

[verbal musk]

SEE?

[turbid viper]

that are trying to kill us all

[verbal musk]

GUYS

EXECUTIONS BEST

[warm cliff]

I mean yeah

Let's just make Haber look out for those people

[verbal musk]

What if they team up on Haber and kill him

[narrow oar]

have a settler take up one foreman position and have the van take up the prison guard

[turbid viper]

you're all insane except winston

[turbid viper]

no

[verbal musk]

Then it will be just City without Haber

[steep elm]

most in second shifts or foremen in the coal mines
which are essential
only 6 of them are patrolling, but that's what caught the criminal in the first place

[turbid viper]

we refuse to aid in the suicide of the city

[verbal musk]

Wait

How will we man the factory

[narrow oar]

suicide???

did i miss a page

[verbal musk]

If all workforce is occupied

Well

The competent ones

[warm cliff]

It will be for the best

Maybe Haber can even convince them why they were wrong and help them get to the better path

[verbal musk]

Lame

Behead the snake

[turbid viper]

Executions will prevent further crime effectively

[warm cliff]

Lame often means good

[verbal musk]

Boring then

[turbid viper]

Rewarding it with better housing and not much of a change in the living standard will not

[verbal musk]

I thought lame is a synonim of boring

[steep elm]

there are
6 settlers free
and 5 tusks free
and we could just... understaff it, technically, which would make it slower

[warm cliff]

So this is the legacy you want to leave? A legacy of death for some of wrongdoings?

[verbal musk]

How much workforce does factory take

[turbid viper]

I want the city to live

[verbal musk]

Also

[narrow oar]

haber pls pin the poast?

[steep elm]

I'll think about it

[warm cliff]

The guy was scared so he took some food. He was afraid, and anyone could've been in his place.

[verbal musk]

WE CAN MAKE AUTOMATONS AND STRONK PROSTHESIS

[narrow oar]

thank you

[turbid viper]

https://tenor.com/view/well-that's-too-damn-bad-holes-too-bad-oh-well-suck-it-up-gif-14703423262202948839

[warm cliff]

We need to show compation and allow them to be reintegrated

[bitter glacier]

yes

[marble hatch]

[verbal musk]

Spare one thief, five more appear

[turbid viper]

we can start rehabilitating when we have the means to do so.

[bitter glacier]

not for recruitment for tension decrease

[turbid viper]

not when we are on the verge of dying

[warm cliff]

Kill one thief and you will have 10 rebels

[verbal musk]

We must eliminate the disease before it spreads

[steep elm]

understood

[narrow oar]

pierre

[warm cliff]

Hmm?

[narrow oar]

morality is not gonna help us mid whiteout

i get where youre coming from but

[steep elm]

buildings delayed everyone

-# /j

[verbal musk]

Behead all of them, show that all power belongs to Haber

[narrow oar]

not now

[turbid viper]

you overstate what people will do in a life or death situation

[warm cliff]

Yeah, behead everyone and there will be no one in the city

Or you will be simply next

[verbal musk]

I don’t exist

Therefore

[turbid viper]

not you too nric

[verbal musk]

I not

[narrow oar]

i do not am

[verbal musk]

I don’t think, therefore, I’m not

[bitter glacier]

reintegration is the best choice considering the shortage of manpower

[warm cliff]

Also

[steep elm]

maybe crime law will get us to 4k

[narrow oar]

i do not think therefore i do not am

[turbid viper]

there is no shortage of manpower

[steep elm]

there is

[bitter glacier]

for you

[warm cliff]

If we pick up the execution, we will need to build a platform.

Which is also a building

[steep elm]

-# we don't have enough wards

[turbid viper]

a prison is more expensive

[turbid viper]

wow so lets fix that

[bitter glacier]

Wohn I highly recommend you put Catanian foremen on all the workplaces my Vanguard foremen are so I can cover the prison

[turbid viper]

by creating more of a shortage of wards

[turbid viper]

no

[steep elm]

lmao

[narrow oar]

just get a ladder

and throw them

in the gennies top

[turbid viper]

if you want to be moral so damn bad face the consequences of it

[verbal musk]

We have two sawmills

And plenty wood

We’re fine

[bitter glacier]

I'll take foremen off the food and off Catanian shifts

[verbal musk]

Crime will NOT be a problem again for a long time

[turbid viper]

okay

[bitter glacier]

because mr Wohn is not compliant

[turbid viper]

then do that

[warm cliff]

If we are that fine, then what's the problem with prison?

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm

[verbal musk]

Prisons use up too much workforce

[bitter glacier]

only three of MY men

[verbal musk]

The vanguards are too useful to be spent on educating worthless men

[warm cliff]

"Too much"
one guy

[verbal musk]

There will be more

[warm cliff]

We can take one guy, maybe 2

And it will be enough

[verbal musk]

They will think that since there are no real consequences to their actions

They can do everythinf

[turbid viper]

i'll cover it with my unemployed

[steep elm]

progress infighting wow

[verbal musk]

There will be more as the city grows

[steep elm]

but noted

[bitter glacier]

well the Catanians are the best foremen and yet Wohn here refuses to take up that mantle

[warm cliff]

There aren't that much criminals

[verbal musk]

Whatever Wohn says, will happen

[warm cliff]

Or you telling me we have like 10%+ of those?

[turbid viper]

we're creating a system where crime is not discouraged by any real measure

prison is no different than the present day-to-day conditions

[verbal musk]

It’s a whiteout, rationing is active, people will get injured or die in insulating houses/working in sawmills

[turbid viper]

except someone is watching voer you

[verbal musk]

There WILL be rebellion

[marble hatch]

Can I assign 5 of my people to start a sparring match in bunker so others could come to watch and put some tension off?

Some of them could hurt each other, but I'm sure they are tough enough

[verbal musk]

We must show them Haber is the supreme leader

[steep elm]

noted

[turbid viper]

did you note the foremen replacing

[verbal musk]

Where are the BEARS

[steep elm]

mhm

[turbid viper]

awesome sauce

glory to the haber regime

death to traitors

destroy the criminals

[verbal musk]

I want to see BEAR WRESTLING

[bitter glacier]

@steep elm heres what I'll be doing

• Vanguard posters to decrease tension
• taking my foremen off the hothouses and the Catanian shifts in the mines (3 freed up if I count right)
• putting those guys on the prison should we build it

[icy quiver]

so agressive

[steep elm]

off the hothouses too?

[bitter glacier]

yes

[verbal musk]

Does Haber have no power at all in this city?

[steep elm]

@turbid viper will you replace the hothouses ones? they are filled with frostlanders

[marble hatch]

Will search for them after Whiteout

[steep elm]

he does

[turbid viper]

would not replacing them lead to a food deficit

[bitter glacier]

we have a food stockpile right? all we need to do is guard it

[verbal musk]

I see that the faction leaders have more power than you

[steep elm]

not currently

[warm cliff]

If we execute someone who people love - yes.

[turbid viper]

then no

[bitter glacier]

without foremen on the mines we have a coal deficit

[warm cliff]

Because, guess what