🧊Frost Mini - Haber City

[bitter glacier]

thank you

[sour stratus]

How many group can be there at one point?

[atomic pebble]

Haber talk was very eye opening

[bitter glacier]

500

[marble hatch]

"With a chance of meatballs"

[steep elm]

As many as I think is not too much

[sour stratus]

That is?

[atomic pebble]

Chill guy, too bad he is

[steep elm]

Currently I'm thinking a max of 4

Maybe 5

[bitter glacier]

despite disagreeing with frosties on survival I still wish to keep good relations with them

we'll defend them all the same

thats why I went for settlers to train cuz lesser relations harm

though the current deal I'd imagine would have no relations harm if we had agreed to it

[atomic pebble]

Currently we have no grudges with the wards, besides the zeitgeist thing

[sour stratus]

!

[bitter glacier]

wards are gonna be the peacekeepers of Haber City...

[bitter glacier]

thats the backing behind the equality leaning

[steep elm]

It all depends on how the players interact

But sometimes the rest of the group might not agree with their leaders

[sour stratus]

So true

[atomic pebble]

We dont like the settlers that much, their skill isnt as reliable as the other folks

[bitter glacier]

"Economy: Equality - Leaning
All should be equally protected."

[bitter glacier]

right because skill in violence is much better

[sour stratus]

[atomic pebble]

There are many raiders in the frostlands, true 🤔

[bitter glacier]

if you want I can get ya the entire wards group info

[marble hatch]

[bitter glacier]

everything I have, at least

[sour stratus]

Eh its fine

[icy quiver]

i love how this becoming as discussion worthy as actual FR xD

[atomic pebble]

Besides the city would collapse without our food and exploration efforts

[sour stratus]

Its frost mini :3

[steep elm]

We already have 1k messages here

[bitter glacier]

hey we take our fake politics very seriously

[marble hatch]

Nah, we all are just meat chunks in soup bowl

Warm and close

[icy quiver]

dang

[steep elm]

Soon we shall have more messages than some discussion boards

[turbid viper]

what has your exploration given us so far

[icy quiver]

daww you make it sound kinda cute

[turbid viper]

(I actually don't know)

[bitter glacier]

probably approaching reasonite numbers lowk

[steep elm]

Literally just started

[marble hatch]

🔥

[turbid viper]

wow frosties blowing their importance out of proportion

[atomic pebble]

Smh

[bitter glacier]

and its given us nothing, proof that its useless
-# /j

[turbid viper]

food production can also be replaced, we have the manpower...

[atomic pebble]

Windy peaks report

[steep elm]

They did go search for some food in the earlier days

But that was it

[marble hatch]

[turbid viper]

glorious settlers doubled construction

surged manpower

[steep elm]

The thing is that they have a bonus

[bitter glacier]

you actually dont have the power to place your extra people on extra shifts in the city

[turbid viper]

i do?

[bitter glacier]

you dont

[turbid viper]

huh

[bitter glacier]

thats what wards are doing in the coal mines

they work while frosties sleep

[turbid viper]

@steep elm is this true

[steep elm]

As I said before

Currently only the wards can do so

[atomic pebble]

We built the logistics center smh (that can only be used by frostlanders)

[turbid viper]

which gave us NOTHING!!!

[atomic pebble]

For now

[steep elm]

This is something you can actually try to acquire

But the wards are more used to it and don't mind

Meanwhile, other groups would mind it

[turbid viper]

you also destroyed our Jewel for a vanity heater

[bitter glacier]

I didnt say anything

[atomic pebble]

Windy peaks will have so much coal!

Trust!

[turbid viper]

instead of a productive drill...

[bitter glacier]

I wanted it to be the one

[marble hatch]

[bitter glacier]

I forgor what it was but I remember it being good

[steep elm]

Drill

Increased efficiency in a single mine a whole bunch

[atomic pebble]

Glorious furnace!

Heat for all!

Burn all materials!

[bitter glacier]

wait

isnt supposed to be heat

I thought that the apex workers gave efficiency too

[turbid viper]

significant efficiency for greatly increased coal price

[atomic pebble]

(Versatility, not actual more heat)

[turbid viper]

in a mine

[steep elm]

The furnace is burning stuff like food and wood in case we don't have enough coal

[bitter glacier]

which we cover with extra shifts!

[bitter glacier]

food is out of the question

how is wood production I dont remember seeing that on the list

[steep elm]

We have been stockpiling food for a while now

[turbid viper]

we destroyed it for a vanity fuel source that we arent using

[steep elm]

Genuinely 0

[bitter glacier]

it is still out of the question

[bitter glacier]

lets build a sawmill

[turbid viper]

which increases our maintenance costs

[steep elm]

Will have to explore the surroundings a bit to find frozen wood

[bitter glacier]

we have no wood in the city?

thats not good, what are we building homes out of

[steep elm]

We have been using what Haber had

Which was a bunch

[bitter glacier]

thats very not good

[turbid viper]

bones of the fallen settlers

which the frostlanders plotted to freeze

[steep elm]

Since he was planning on constructing stuff / using it for research

[bitter glacier]

we have zero wood production, only a very large stockpile

I'd like wards to prioritize guarding the stockpile

[steep elm]

They shall

We still have enough for some time

It's not an actual worry

[bitter glacier]

Wohn your indoctrinated sacrificed trained Catainians will go towards having more guards to protect you and the stocks

[atomic pebble]

-# We will find a settler outpost aint we

[sour stratus]

What?

[steep elm]

They don't know...

They don't know my plans...

[marble hatch]

Haber invented FR drug
FR-mini

Addictive

[sour stratus]

So true

[atomic pebble]

Just 10 more computing nodes and he will stop, he said...

[atomic pebble]

Frostlanders exploring.

[icy quiver]

he made a more concentrated version

[sour stratus]

And?

[steep elm]

One could say

A miniature

[marble hatch]

Yeah

Nice job from Haber
Neat idea

[icy quiver]

nah its like you took meth and boiled it down to make super meth

[atomic pebble]

Death due to bad relations

Btw we will build the actual generator any of these days? (Not that we would need it, of course)

[steep elm]

The generator was the first thing to be built

It's the thing in the centre with the fire symbol

[atomic pebble]

Ah yeah we started with one

Forgor

[steep elm]

Just in: Frostlander got so used to the generator he forgot it was even there

[atomic pebble]

I just needed a dangerous construction to throw the settlers at, since they are good at construction.

Im sure the wards would love to "supervise" and "incentivise" them there (:

[bitter glacier]

sure but we'll actually negotiate and only rush or foreman them as we see fit

[steep elm]

Oversee you say

[sour stratus]

[atomic pebble]

alignment gone

😔

[bitter glacier]

no I dont

[bitter glacier]

it's back dw

and it's a leaning not an alignment

I want these guys to be distinct from me, the player

[atomic pebble]

I mean, we already estabilished that the group can have diverging opinions from the leader

[bitter glacier]

yeah, and the group is leaning

I am sure

[icy quiver]

we should build a uranium mine

[steep elm]

There's no uranium nearby 😔

[icy quiver]

radon?

[steep elm]

None 😔

[icy quiver]

fuuuhhhckkk

where are we storing stuff

do we have/need a warehouse

[steep elm]

We are storing stuff in the Grand Institute

It's quite Grand you see

[icy quiver]

ahh

we should build a factory

[sour stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfactory-factor-io-factorio-satisfactory-game-automation-gif-4780683496031639747

[icy quiver]

wrong factory sadly

https://tenor.com/view/factorio-gif-25571484

[sour stratus]

Ah

I never played factoryo only satsfactory so thats where my brain went

[icy quiver]

i just got done playing some of a game called The Crust, which is factory on the mooooon

[sour stratus]

Never gread if it

But i managd to get a good sale on steam

[icy quiver]

It was early access/kickstarter like last year

So it's still being added to

But they did drop a big v2 update recently

[marble hatch]

"What a strange statue it is"

[atomic pebble]

Hadron Collider when?

[steep elm]

1977

When Haber is 89 years old

[atomic pebble]

"Wait, they get heat for free?? Wtf guys"

"Why no one told us?"

[marble hatch]

[atomic pebble]

-# Proceeds to stay in a trech shelter just cuz they can manage those temps

[bitter glacier]

I mean the frostlanders trenches are good insulation

not the Catanians

[icy quiver]

what if we use the frostlanders as insulation?

[bitter glacier]

force them to make good trenches then use them as insulation

we can have both

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-yes-nod-nodding-gif-10750982166185265403

Improve trenches to trench houses

[icy quiver]

i was just envisioning having all the frostlanders hug one of the barracks to insulate it

[bitter glacier]

probably worth a heating level & a half

[icy quiver]

it would be hella morbid to use the bodies of the fallen to insulate houses by just layering them atop the barracks

[marble hatch]

Pipes filled with soup

[bitter glacier]

people would get used to it

[icy quiver]

switch to living in hobbit holes

[bitter glacier]

wait good proposal...

[icy quiver]

the area by the door would be a lil chilly, but if you had a few doors space a lil ways apart

[bitter glacier]

yeah yeah we should ask the frostlanders to adapt trenches into hobbit holes

[icy quiver]

maybe just a polite suggestion

[narrow oar]

yall, listen

we need the duke

so that we can take 3 coins per turn

[icy quiver]

?

[atomic pebble]

I got a captain gib 2 of your coins

[narrow oar]

i block your steal with my ambassador

[atomic pebble]

Then ill use my assassin

[narrow oar]

[atomic pebble]

-# it is a nice game

[icy quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

[atomic pebble]

-# Played it yesterday

[atomic pebble]

-# ( Coup card game)

[icy quiver]

ah

[icy quiver]

haber

[steep elm]

What

[sour stratus]

Moss

[icy quiver]

i require more habercity

[steep elm]

Patience is a virtue

[sour stratus]

First ever tie

[steep elm]

We had another before

[verbal musk]

Seasoned Scouts won

[steep elm]

Yeah

[sour stratus]

Why?

[steep elm]

Janestro is the tiebreaker

[verbal musk]

-# I thought Cooper's vote doesn't count if tie

[steep elm]

Now it returned to counting

I'm a merciful guy

Sometimes

[sonic pivot]

i apologised

[icy quiver]

nah

[verbal musk]

a

[icy quiver]

i am powerful in two specific ways

tiebreaking, and monkey pawsing random unneeded torture

[steep elm]

@here

ok... we just burned a bit more of wood to keep up with our new facilities that we need to heat; we need to get more fuel sources soon
we still have people in the trenches, but now they all are in danger due to a lack of fuel

6 settlers also became wards this turn
The settlers trust Haber more with the beacon for their duke, but the city feels more tense as the consequences of such a person getting here are still unknown
-# [past post](#1454153857092288763 message)
-# [next post](#1454153857092288763 message)

[austere dock]

Can we get the tower up to 2g connection at a short range?

[verbal musk]

What if we research 2g

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[icy quiver]

god i love this

[atomic pebble]

Windy peaks when?

[steep elm]

next turn

[austere dock]

Never

[verbal musk]

When temple secret use reveal

[steep elm]

I need to spread out events otherwise posts can get too busy

[atomic pebble]

You guys will leave the improvement of the logistics district to the frostlanders right?

[austere dock]

Makes sense

[steep elm]

also, it's not a logistics district, but a logistics centre

I wrote it wrong

[atomic pebble]

Evil Duke incoming 😔

[austere dock]

Duke Dukington is coming for us

[atomic pebble]

Upgrades incoming

[steep elm]

in 50 business days

[austere dock]

That's to slow

[atomic pebble]

Bet he will eat 3 time the food of a normal person?

[austere dock]

4

He's very big

[atomic pebble]

And increase tension with just his presence

[austere dock]

He loves his food

[turbid viper]

Thinker fearmongering

[atomic pebble]

We should upload his knowledge to the great institute, and get rid of him.

[austere dock]

Frfr

[steep elm]

"upload his knowledge"

it sounds scary when you say it like that

[icy quiver]

Let's politely ask him for his knowledge

[austere dock]

We should roast him over an open fire until he spilled his secrets

[atomic pebble]

-# And get some ribs in the process

[sour stratus]

Welp its haberover

The duke is coming to duke on us

-# We are so duked

[atomic pebble]

-# (edited)

[icy quiver]

sh

it was a small typo

very minor

[atomic pebble]

[icy quiver]

tiny

[open pewter]

ONE MORE HOUSING

[steep elm]

One less housing

[marble hatch]

Duke will be polite
I'm sure

[atomic pebble]

We just need more fuel and they will be fiiinnneee

[atomic pebble]

The frostlanders promise to build another trench if we repurpose the Housing materials

[steep elm]

There is enough trench for everybody

The problem is that the trenches aren't being heated properly anymore because there's no excess heat to use

[atomic pebble]

There is never enough trenches Haber

[steep elm]

Aka close to the generator is cold now, most of the heat is being redirected to the inside of homes/workplaces

[atomic pebble]

Did the gen reach heat generation capacity or not?

[steep elm]

No

[atomic pebble]

Then the coal mine works the same

[steep elm]

The coal mine is fine

We just need more coal if we want to heat our stuff

[atomic pebble]

True

But the settlers should be left to their own devices

[steep elm]

(But the trenches are not really efficient in their coal usage)

[atomic pebble]

Non frostlanders smh, always wasting fuel

[steep elm]

(So making houses quickly might help with not spending unnecessary coal)

[steep elm]

[bitter glacier]

if I catch wind of another torture I will send wards to capture the one responsible

[icy quiver]

i merely suggested asking politely xD

maybe swap automaton to coal mine? would that shore up our coal deficit

[bitter glacier]

w/ the new wards, I want five more to be shoved into the coal mine with the other five

the four + 1 last new one will join patrols

[steep elm]

Automaton is less efficient than frostlander or settler + wards double shift

[steep elm]

The max that can work in a place at a time is only 5

[bitter glacier]

😔

we should change that someday

[steep elm]

Can be a law

But it causes other problems

[bitter glacier]

well scratch this, I'll figure smth out

is it possible I could send one ward to increase the efficiency of the frosties?

a foreman of sorts

[steep elm]

Which frosties and where

[bitter glacier]

in the coal mine

during their shift

would that take up a slot in the workplace

[steep elm]

I mean

Sure

[fickle linden]

I suggest we elect a frostlander foreman, train them. they understand their people so I reason it would be more effective.

[steep elm]

@turbid viper do you also want foreman anywhere

[bitter glacier]

the wards are the ones who can work double shifts, they are probably the ones who will be best at raising efficiency

& I trust my people to not do anything too extreme

[fickle linden]

but you can train a Frostlander, can you not?

[bitter glacier]

and turn them into a ward

[fickle linden]

frostlander ward bridge

a diplomat of sorts

[bitter glacier]

wait, thats smart

turn all the frosties into wards

[fickle linden]

wait no

[bitter glacier]

then double shifts everywhere

[steep elm]

Wards or Settlers can be foremen

Wards are kinda guards so it can make sense, Settlers we're used to maximising extraction/results in their settlement

[fickle linden]

wait, maybe

[bitter glacier]

thx musa

[fickle linden]

a ward frostlander chapter or something?

[bitter glacier]

settlers might go too far on frosties considering they are enemies

[steep elm]

Trust them bro

[bitter glacier]

but otherwise I dont see problems with them being foremen

[open pewter]

heyo

[fickle linden]

hello tony

[open pewter]

whats the topic

[steep elm]

Who gets to be a foreman

[fickle linden]

nric eueegmans call for power

[open pewter]

Oh, Frostlanders for sure

[fickle linden]

or something

[steep elm]

Nric eueueueueueueueeu-

[bitter glacier]

maybe for the hothouses

considering they are better at that

wait are they i forgor

[fickle linden]

yeah more food efficiency

[bitter glacier]

alright so frosties should appoint foremen to the hothouses

[steep elm]

The thing is that I have just decided that frostlanders can't be foreman

[bitter glacier]

settlers should put foremen in workplaces that are not frostie

[sour stratus]

Isnt that jicents job?

[fickle linden]

what if trained by another faction?

[steep elm]

Then they become that group

[fickle linden]

zamn

[bitter glacier]

and wards on frostlander workplaces

I'd like to place one ward for each frostie workplace as a foreman while sparing the 10 in patrols/stockpile guard

[icy quiver]

What if an otherworldly entity empowers the coal miners?

[fickle linden]

i kinda wanted a Frostlander Ward hybrid

[steep elm]

The coal mine doesn't have frostlanders as workforce btw

It has Settlers mining

[bitter glacier]

then let settlers appoint their foremen to both shifts

if ofc wohn chooses so

and wards for the hothouses

& if possible the iron mine should get a settler foreman/engineer maintenence

[turbid viper]

can i put them on my builders

to increase the odds of double build

[bitter glacier]

does this increase the

great minds think alike

[steep elm]

Then 1 foreman on builders

And 1 foreman on Coal?

[steep elm]

Slightly

[bitter glacier]

does foreman work both shifts

I assume no

[icy quiver]

i love how we just keep adding random things from the games and haber has to on the fly decide on how they apply lol

[bitter glacier]

but its work asking

[bitter glacier]

it just works

[turbid viper]

move over puppet, the new master GM is here

[steep elm]

1 foreman per shift

[steep elm]

I'm stealing her players 😔

[bitter glacier]

Wohn I recommend putting two foremen on coal for efficiency bonuses on both shifts

[turbid viper]

think of the build

[icy quiver]

nah youre just giving them a minigame whilst she cooks

[bitter glacier]

you have a lot of free workers

[turbid viper]

what determines the amount of foremen btw i didnt read

[steep elm]

Hothouses can't have double shifts, before anyone asks

[bitter glacier]

I also want to circle back to the second ider here

[turbid viper]

what if they try really hard to make a sun

[bitter glacier]

one foreman(1 pop) per shift

[steep elm]

Not needed

[steep elm]

Snacks before the main meal

[icy quiver]

can we make better mining equipment

[bitter glacier]

oo good question

we haven't been researching have we?

[turbid viper]

are the miners using their hands

[steep elm]

I mean, that was the Jewel you can when the research opportunity appears

[bitter glacier]

we should research misc upgrades if possible

though thats a vote...

[marble hatch]

What about asking some settlers to calibrate The Jewel while it works? We can give them more food in return for increasing our incomes

[steep elm]

The Jewel already ate some wood

But right now excess heat isn't really going to make anything more efficient, you'd need a law/research that deals with what happens with the excess heat for that

[bitter glacier]

idk they might not be able to calibrate smth that was ified

[atomic pebble]

Who you calling frostie, technerd

[steep elm]

And

[bitter glacier]

you and we're tryina increase efficiency

[steep elm]

No one really knows how to mess with the Jewel

[turbid viper]

personal objections

[steep elm]

They can't calibrate something that they have no idea how it works

[bitter glacier]

we're putting wards on your hothouses to improve efficiency

[steep elm]

-# Maybe the Duke could calibrate it

[atomic pebble]

Frostlanders wont like to be Told what to do by groups that they dont do as well with

[bitter glacier]

its better than the catanians

well efficiency wise no, but relations wise yes

[steep elm]

Are the frostlanders rejecting the foremen that the Wards are trying to assign to them?

[atomic pebble]

Reluctanly accepting

[steep elm]

That was dangerous lmao

[atomic pebble]

Wrong reply Haber

[steep elm]

I know

[atomic pebble]

The timing

[narrow oar]

what if the duke is just

[atomic pebble]

Lol

[narrow oar]

senry hhackley

[steep elm]

sentry hacking

[bitter glacier]

I assure you we do this with no ill intent

[turbid viper]

i already said this smh my head

shenry hackley

[atomic pebble]

But the will refuse settler (catanian?) foremen

[bitter glacier]

I asked for wardic foremen specifically to avoid bad relations consequences with you and the Catanians

[steep elm]

Yeah

We are getting

2 settler foreman for the coal mine

1 ward foreman for each hothouse

[bitter glacier]

four total

[turbid viper]

no?

[bitter glacier]

two at coal for each shift

[steep elm]

What are you thinking then

[turbid viper]

what i stated before

1 on building, the other on coal

[steep elm]

Ah yeah

Builders

But why not two on the mine?

[bitter glacier]

I still suggest two on coal

fuel is bad rn

[steep elm]

Wohn Jilson secretly wants Haber City to have no coal so the frostlanders die of cold

[bitter glacier]

I like the idea that the Catanians can just spontaniously build a second one

[turbid viper]

trust the plan.

[marble hatch]

Okay, then we can solve the root of the problem by focusing excessive heat on something particular
maybe make trenches into dirthouses? They'd fit twice the amount of people in them and keep livable temperature, but only for frosties?

[narrow oar]

we need more foremen

[turbid viper]

the progress particles can infuse

[narrow oar]

5 per mine

[turbid viper]

sometimes.

the more progress we have

[bitter glacier]

we only have 1 barracks worth in the trenches

[turbid viper]

the bigger the chances for the particles to infuse

[bitter glacier]

very scientific

[steep elm]

Getting the frostlanders dirt houses while everyone else has normal barracks

[bitter glacier]

we dont have that many people

[marble hatch]

it'd be 2 barracks worth

but for frosties only

[narrow oar]

make more then

[bitter glacier]

well uhm

[atomic pebble]

We already are housed

[narrow oar]

-# no wait

[bitter glacier]

thats an interesting proposition

[atomic pebble]

Plus we would insulate stuff ourselves

[bitter glacier]

however we dont have the time to get workers pregnant and raise their children

[turbid viper]

if we get enough progress particles something magnificient will be infused

something beautiful is going to happen then. trust

[marble hatch]

Dirthouses would fit well then, no?

[bitter glacier]

they want their trenches unupgraded

[atomic pebble]

Too bad The Jewel was already 'fied we are getting adaptation particles

[bitter glacier]

we should seize the means of the Jewel

...

[atomic pebble]

You will destroy the Jewel?

[bitter glacier]

we will seize it

[atomic pebble]

And do what?

[turbid viper]

its already in the city genius

[atomic pebble]

It already was modified

[turbid viper]

do you want to seize it for the wards or what

[bitter glacier]

unmodify it and remodify it with trust

[turbid viper]

you want to make it a panopticon ?

[atomic pebble]

You will just destroy it by trying that 😔

[marble hatch]

then let's make a big pipe around them so they'd be part of the system, less excess heat wasted

[bitter glacier]

this man here

he is a true thinker pioneer of our time

[atomic pebble]

Deeper trenches with extra pelts covering the top.

[marble hatch]

[marble hatch]

Deeper to make warm human piles

[atomic pebble]

You will be left outside

In the cold

[sour stratus]

Cold is nice

[bitter glacier]

anthills

[marble hatch]

🐴
But you're in the cold already

[atomic pebble]

No shelter still kills dum dum

[bitter glacier]

not the frostie trench

[atomic pebble]

We would do just fine wdym?

Not sure about the other groups tho

[marble hatch]

Yeah, we will dig more dirthouses

[atomic pebble]

Igloo tech smh

[dark marten]

Why are one of each put into ‘lust’? What in the Slaanesh- ?!

[sour stratus]

Rhats Inst

Institute

[dark marten]

The Institute you say?

Time to go fetch our son!

[narrow oar]

why is yours deep fried

[dark marten]

That’s deep fried.

Mine just has some spice.

Invaded half the bloody world for it. Might as well use it on something.

I do have this if you prefer plain

[icy quiver]

[verbal musk]

Fierce battle against the Housing Faction

[open pewter]

We're doomed! We just needed one more housing!

[marble hatch]

[steep elm]

@here new coal mine and the logistic centre is now prettier and an actual place instead of just trenches

Just in time for our Scouts to communicate to us that they've found something... more specifically, around 20 other frostlanders that we can invite into our city, which would be good workforce for what might happen soon...

they are telling us that a whiteout is coming in our direction; although a shorter one, it still might be harsh on our young city as it is arriving in 5 turns

the thing is, we don't have enough houses... so we should decide what to tell them

Also, we had to throw some raw food into the Jewel to make it past last turn since the coal wasn't enough
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there

this is all for now

[open pewter]

-# WE NEEDED MORE HOUSES!!!

[verbal musk]

what's the equivalent of a house here

[atomic pebble]

Each post is a week?

[steep elm]

barracks

[steep elm]

yeah

[verbal musk]

I mean on this vote

[steep elm]

it just refers to housing

we don't have enough barracks

[verbal musk]

I don't see the barracks option

[open pewter]

We need better house technology

[verbal musk]

That's what I mean

[steep elm]

this turn has no building

[verbal musk]

rigged

[open pewter]

-# WE NEED BETTER HOUSE TECHNOLOGY!!!

[marble hatch]

Whiteout is just a small challenge in the eyes of eternity

[atomic pebble]

Settlers being useless as usual smh

[steep elm]

not the fault of the settlers

[verbal musk]

Imagine the Duke comes mid whiteout

[steep elm]

it's the wards fault

[steep elm]

trust me bro

[atomic pebble]

What did they do?

[marble hatch]

"Just because they're wards"

[steep elm]

they exist

[atomic pebble]

Can the frostlanders recruit or they only get more members by finding ppl out there?

[steep elm]

frostlanders need to find people

same as settlers

although much easier

[marble hatch]

If we invite them right now they'll help with preparations

[sour stratus]

I suppose we need more houseing

[atomic pebble]

• Frostlanders are everywhere in small groups.
• Settlers come in big groups but are harder to find.

[marble hatch]

More coal, more housing, more workers

[sour stratus]

Yeah

[bitter glacier]

are we rationing food

if so how strenuously

[bitter glacier]

and wards are unique to the city

we need 3 total housing

for all 20 and the 9 in the trenches

[marble hatch]

Can we use a steamcore to optimise our coal usage?

We still have 2

[bitter glacier]

yeah can we research & upgrade our mines or smth like that

or the generator>

[marble hatch]

Or build a very big hothouse to burn more food if needed

[steep elm]

no
we still have a surplus

[open pewter]

Focusing on our fuel and heating is good but after that we need to find out how to get better usage of barracks so nothing is wasted.

[steep elm]

left side goes to stock

we still have 30 raw food

[open pewter]

How much heating does food do?

[steep elm]

we're very good on food

[marble hatch]

How much we burn?

[bitter glacier]

wiat are we cooking food

[steep elm]

not much

[sour stratus]

Jewel

[steep elm]

yes, in-house stoves

[marble hatch]

Hm

[bitter glacier]

I'd like to take 5 guards off patrol and put them on double shifts in the second mine

and if Wohn so pleases a foreman could join them

if he doesn't I'd like to appoint my own from the hothouses

we are not in need of food so

[steep elm]

currently you are using
10 for patrol
5 for double shift in first coal mine
1 in the institute
2 foremen

you have 21 total
so, you have 3 wards remaining

if you take 5 off

from patrol

8 total

5 can go for second shifts

3 still are free

do you want to use them to cover all remaining shifts in the mines?

[bitter glacier]

okay here's what I'll do

I'll take four off patrols

giving me 7 free

I want 5 of those in second shifts in the new coal mine

the last two I want as foremen for my second shifts in both coal mines

I trust Wohn to appoint a foreman for his shift in the new mine

assuming those are Catanian workers

[marble hatch]

Sounds Like a plan

[steep elm]

such good terrain art

[bitter glacier]

what is the log

[steep elm]

logistics

[open pewter]

Logistics?

[steep elm]

centre

[bitter glacier]

oh'

why is it so far out

[steep elm]

because

[bitter glacier]

is that a river why is there a river

[steep elm]

the frostlanders went out

[fossil hinge]

I love the log

[steep elm]

frozen river

[bitter glacier]

fish?

[steep elm]

no fish

[bitter glacier]

dman

[sour stratus]

😔

[steep elm]

too shallow, completely frozen

[bitter glacier]

[marble hatch]

Drill houses in the hard ice

[bitter glacier]

is there anything we can do with the river

[steep elm]

you can

play hockey

or something

[marble hatch]

yay

[steep elm]

idk I never played on ice

[fossil hinge]

Gladiator fights

[marble hatch]

decrease tension

[timid sandal]

Can we… eat the river?

[bitter glacier]

can we build on it or is it a nobuild zone

[steep elm]

you can but it costs more to maintain

[icy quiver]

Can we roll to seduce the frost

[steep elm]

there's no real benefit

[fossil hinge]

Start worshipping it?

[sour stratus]

We dont have edward here

[steep elm]

no

[bitter glacier]

what about frostlanders

[fossil hinge]

Use it as a weighing device?

[steep elm]

the frost hates all humans

all life

[marble hatch]

Baptides in the ice cubes?

[timid sandal]

Racist

[bitter glacier]

do they have higher maintenance cost for river buildings too

[fossil hinge]

Exactly

If the ice collapses while your standing on it it means your unworthy

[steep elm]

frostlander buildings continue being normal buildings

[fossil hinge]

New execution method unlocked

[bitter glacier]

the frost hates all... equally... ...

[bitter glacier]

jincent has a use

[fossil hinge]

What are the frosts political views

[timid sandal]

Fanatic materialist xenophobe

[bitter glacier]

Survival: Death
Economy: Frostland

[fossil hinge]

Does it think tradition is a chain to a prison or to an anchor

[marble hatch]

[bitter glacier]

and its not a society so it doesnt have societal views

[steep elm]

she thinks no society should exist at all

[fossil hinge]

Can reason truly preserve us when our humanity is already so weathered?

[timid sandal]

How high are the frost taxes?

[timid sandal]

The frost is a she?

[bitter glacier]

she?

[fossil hinge]

Does the frost have an opinion on the proposed heatstamp system?

[marble hatch]

Romance the Frost

[timid sandal]

Does the frost have any favourite humans?

[steep elm]

I applied a gender based on my native language by accident

[bitter glacier]

maybe this isnt a war after all

[icy quiver]

Is the frost for or against democracy

[fossil hinge]

Does she think Marxist modes of analysis can still apply to our modern post frost economy

[bitter glacier]

too late the frost is now a she

[steep elm]

against any ocracy

[bitter glacier]

authoritarianism?

[turbid viper]

is she aware

[fossil hinge]

Is?

[turbid viper]

of the word

[steep elm]

no isms
no ocracys

just nothing

[icy quiver]

Is the frost attractive

[steep elm]

the frost is cold wind

[timid sandal]

So yes?

[bitter glacier]

so shes an anarchist

[steep elm]

anarchism is an "ism"

so no

[bitter glacier]

if shes against all form of government shes an anarchist

[timid sandal]

Anarcho anarchism

[bitter glacier]

unless you are saying she is not politically inclined

[timid sandal]

She is very radically centrist

[icy quiver]

Is she single

[steep elm]

for anarchism to exist you need humans to practice it

so no

because in the frost's ideal world

[bitter glacier]

jan is asking the real questions here

[steep elm]

there are no humans

no life

nothing

[timid sandal]

So? No competition

[steep elm]

no, she's married to terror

[timid sandal]

Dangit

[bitter glacier]

is terror a guy or gal

[marble hatch]

[icy quiver]

Are they polyamorous or open minded

[steep elm]

it doesn't matter

[steep elm]

she has no mind

[bitter glacier]

we need to know if its a lesbian or straight couple

[timid sandal]

What does terror identify as

[steep elm]

you don't

[bitter glacier]

to understand the reach of the underground

[marble hatch]

Doesn't mind ye say?

[bitter glacier]

this is important research

[icy quiver]

Haber out here gunna have an aneurism lol

[fossil hinge]

Does the frost believe in societal expectations of heteronormative monogamous romance?

[steep elm]

it identifies with whatever scares people the most at a given time-

[timid sandal]

Does the frost celebrate the new years?

[bitter glacier]

because of a typo

[timid sandal]

I’m scared of women, so it’s a woman?

[bitter glacier]

english please

[steep elm]

idk the frist

[fossil hinge]

Shush

[steep elm]

idk

[fossil hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/aika-eclipse-hitting-idwtbamg-i-dont-want-to-be-a-magical-girl-gif-10314399013108111027

Do gifs not work here

[timid sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-happy-animation-boykisser-happy-animation-yipee-gif-11464838149773251399

[bitter glacier]

its working on my end

[timid sandal]

They do

[marble hatch]

okay okay
Currently we need more fuel and more housing, and also have 2 unused steamcores

[fossil hinge]

Oh weird

[timid sandal]

What we NEED is more info about the frosts love interests

[bitter glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/frostpunk-gif-6543538307083800639

yeah its working

[bitter glacier]

lets turn frost mini into a dating sim

featuring the generator, the automaton, and the frost

[timid sandal]

Haber city is officially a dating sim

[marble hatch]

She prefers Icebloods

[timid sandal]

😭 FUCK

[sour stratus]

So you are saying that frost is ?

[icy quiver]

Does she have any hobbies

Is she artistic

[bitter glacier]

centrism is an ism

[fossil hinge]

Is the frost a centrist?

[timid sandal]

I’m aurtistic

[marble hatch]

[icy quiver]

You know i could just unlock it xD

[turbid viper]

is the frost cold-hearted

[fossil hinge]

The frost is afraid to commit to political views

[bitter glacier]

amazing lmao

[steep elm]

do you want me to go a step further then?

[fossil hinge]

This indicates a level of privilege

[bitter glacier]

sir

[steep elm]

yes?

[bitter glacier]

calm down please theres no need for this

[icy quiver]

Hahahaha

[bitter glacier]

please release the hostage

[fossil hinge]

Haber if you are genuinely annoyed I’ll stop

[steep elm]

the hostage is mine forever

[steep elm]

I am not

[marble hatch]

"The Frost took it all"

[timid sandal]

Sir Haber?

[bitter glacier]

so I guess the frost is cannonically a woman now

great job haber

[fossil hinge]

Well we knew puppet was she/her and puppet is Everything so

[timid sandal]

Puppet is me? Damn she’s a masochist

[steep elm]

only in haber city
you'll need to ask puppet about what it is in Polaris

[marble hatch]

-# Haber's ex

[bitter glacier]

should we rn?

would be super funny

[steep elm]

I'm sure she'll love being pinged for such a question

such an imperative information

[timid sandal]

I don’t think she’s alive yet

Still in her revival cycle

[bitter glacier]

once puppet awakens ping her for me

[atomic pebble]

We will probably need more

[bitter glacier]

I wish to be the one to ask the question though

Wohn Jilson

[turbid viper]

Brittania is female, so is the personification of Polaris...

the opposite of civilisation -- the frost -- logically then is a man

[timid sandal]

I would literally die if I did that

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-kid-candy-do-the-roar-ugly-gif-17256021

[bitter glacier]

what does this mean

[marble hatch]

Eric is honored(I'm having a shackleysm, don't mind me)

[marble hatch]

I forgor tbh

No way dementia in 20

[atomic pebble]

Terror is a ship

[timid sandal]

Frost and terror is Harrison and henry in disguise

[dark marten]

We need to build more barracks before the whiteout hits!

[open pewter]

Will we have barrack laws or is that out of reach at the moment?

[icy quiver]

How many people could fit within the warmth of the grand institute

In an emergency

[steep elm]

Some 15 maybe

[icy quiver]

Okay okay

Thats something

How annoyed would haber be

Would the whiteout be a reason for him to let people stay?

[steep elm]

He would be annoyed

He could see the need though

It's not good to depend on this kind of stuff though

[icy quiver]

Yeah

Its more a "if we try and can't quite house everyone we have an emergency buffer"

[atomic pebble]

One more frostland expedition before the whiteout comes?

Btw Settler guys, where is our rail?

[bitter glacier]

how much insulation does the institute have

more or less than a house

[steep elm]

same

but it takes more heat

[icy quiver]

Yeah i wasn't thinking of it as an efficient way to keep people alive

More, an emergency way to keep people alive

[narrow oar]

why now??

[open pewter]

So we gonna need more coal and houses for the next 5 turns

[turbid viper]

wow, only 11% patriots

[icy quiver]

Now we have more hands to get it

And if we have casualties we aren't down workers

Cause we got more

Besides we have 5 weeks/turns

[atomic pebble]

They just want to kill more frostlanders 😔

[icy quiver]

One house per turn is 50 housing

Should be fine

And if the settlers double us up once or twice

We just gotta get people in that second coal mine more

And we will have more folks to do that

[marble hatch]

My words worked after all, we need more hands on deck as fast as possible

[turbid viper]

we have a lot of homeless and some available workforce

this was just suicidal

[icy quiver]

and we dont even have a deck yet!

[icy quiver]

you watch, next turn we gon build 2 houses

[turbid viper]

which is barely enough for our current homeless population

[marble hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/panty-and-stocking-stocking-tea-tea-time-angel-gif-24188007

Maybe with so much people we will manage to build more in the same amount of time

[warm cliff]

radical equality be like-

[turbid viper]

no, we wont

we can either build 1 or 2

and the additional one is not from population

[icy quiver]

and then two more

and two more

[turbid viper]

then the whiteout arrives and we've spent all our time on building housingf

[icy quiver]

no 3 lots of two is 3 turns

then we have 2 turns to prep

[turbid viper]

its not guaranteed

its only a chance for us to get 2

if we dont hit all 3, then we won't make it

[open pewter]

-# We need better housing technology... we need to start optimizing the barracks dawg...

[icy quiver]

Yeah we need to set some stuff going on better housing

Or like emergency utilise the bunch of spare hands to put together temporary housing for the whiteout

[austere dock]

Haber city post soon with people form the frostlands coming asap

[atomic pebble]

I propose we use some kind of currency in a way that can improve our actions per turn.

[marble hatch]

"Haber's trust"

[atomic pebble]

I propose the use of scrap, a widely accepted currency in the frostlands

[pseudo bay]

we kill everyone but the settlers and use them to fertilize the hothouses

and rename the city as Newest Briton

[marble hatch]

What about turning Frostlands in New Britania?

[atomic pebble]

-# But the farming buff puppet

[warm cliff]

of couse we gonna kill everyone because we love racism

/j

[open pewter]

Haber city was promised to the frostlanders

[atomic pebble]

The evil duke is coming

[steep elm]

@here
so
27 new frostlanders joined us
the whiteout is coming in 4 weeks

if we want to build more houses, we'll need to get more wood; right now we only have enough for 3 more houses, and we'd still need to build a sawmill before that

more people are getting sick; the Settlers working at the coal mines have stopped to work, and soon enough the wards might also start having problems (don't mind the fact that the sick symbol is a virus, I just think it's best to represent all types of sickness)
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[verbal musk]

Why did the settlers stop working?

[open pewter]

Sick

[verbal musk]

a

[atomic pebble]

Can the frostlanders rotate who is housed/sheltered on the trenches, in a effort to lower deaths?
-# Or that will cause other effects?

[steep elm]

that has no mechanical effects, the wards are already doing it for the lore

[verbal musk]

-# Why did we take the other people NOW if we can't house or treat our OWN people 😭

Does the whiteout slow or stop food production?

[turbid viper]

moralism

[atomic pebble]

No actions taken then

[verbal musk]

What do you mean moralism bro

[turbid viper]

or they want a frostlander takeover

[verbal musk]

Maybe these Frostlanders aren't so bad

They didn't bring any plague yet

So don't judge them too harshly for now

[turbid viper]

they come in, we get sickness

coincidence??????

[verbal musk]

They forgot to close the door behind them 😔

They think we can afford to heat the entire Frostlands

[verbal musk]

-# No way, Tony voting for something else than housing? Is this real?

[marble hatch]

Puppet just wants a krillion of coal

[atomic pebble]

Just thoughen up smh

[open pewter]

we... need unique housing

Wait convert medical post into medical house

[verbal musk]

Dude… Genius plan

Haber, can we do this?

[open pewter]

Im an amazing house factioneer

[steep elm]

I have already said that

it can be a law to put people into medical posts

but it can have consequences

mainly relating to people being uncomfortable or getting sick themselves

[verbal musk]

Overcrowding + medical post housing will go SCARY

[atomic pebble]

Frostlanders ask that we reenable the rationing for the sake of preparing for the whiteout.

[steep elm]

also guys, every post now has these links that take you to the previous or next post

[steep elm]

Will be a vote next time

-# If I remember

[icy quiver]

Don't make jokes haber will put them to a vote

[steep elm]

True!

[marble hatch]

Go on expedition to find Santa and ask for some coal

[icy quiver]

Haber: says we need to build a sawmill before we can build the 3 houses we have wood for

Also haber: your build options include houses but no sawmill

[steep elm]

You can't build a sawmill if you don't know where the wood is

[turbid viper]

true!

[icy quiver]

Yeah

But you said we'd need a sawmill before we could build the 3 houses we have wood for

But then gave us the option of building houses

Which is it xD

Do we need the sawmill to build the 3 houses or not

[steep elm]

We have enough wood for 3 houses

[turbid viper]

but we have a problem with this plan.

[steep elm]

After that we don't have any left

[turbid viper]

we're no longer the plurality

and unlike the wards we dont have guns

[icy quiver]

You said

We have enough wood to build 3 houses

Then said "but we'd need a sawmill before that"

Which implies we cannot build the 3 houses till after a sawmill

[steep elm]

No

We could theoretically build 3 houses with what we have

But we need to build a sawmill before our wood ends

[turbid viper]

we shouldn't have accepted the frosties.

[steep elm]

Otherwise we can't get more wood ever

[verbal musk]

Can’t we send people to manually chop food

[icy quiver]

Does a sawmill cost about the same as a house

Or more

[steep elm]

Same

[icy quiver]

Ah

How are we doing on coal with second mine

Assuming current rate continues

[steep elm]

You don't even know where the wood is

The distance could be enough for people to almost die if they didn't have a heated place nearby

[steep elm]

It's currently fine, but demand is going to increase soon with the new houses and workplaces

[verbal musk]

Houses are made of wood

Chop them down and make new houses :genius:

[icy quiver]

If we have a high enough eff we can get like 1.1 houses worth of wood per house

[icy quiver]

Mhmm that's fine

It was just if we still weren't making quota

Do we have anything in a crowding law we can do

Cramped and alive is better than free space and dead

[verbal musk]

Wanted to search for the thinking cat gif, but forgor I did this

[verbal musk]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[icy quiver]

xD what, why

[icy quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[steep elm]

There is stuff that could be done

[verbal musk]

Skeletons are funny, and this one in particular is very

[steep elm]

Law-wise

[steep elm]

We'll see in the next few turns

[icy quiver]

hmm okay

so yeah we search for wood, and churn out a med post and house, 10 into the house, sick people into the med post, people outside into the sick peoples now unused beds temporarily xD

[atomic pebble]

Another exploration will solve all our issues, we should just keep gambling

[marble hatch]

How much med post can fit? 5 or 10?

[icy quiver]

imagine we just find a bunch of silly wards tho

[marble hatch]

Another 50 frostlanders

And duke with 50 settlers

[steep elm]

5

[icy quiver]

whast our current homeless amoumt, does that include the found frostlanders, if not what will new homeless number when they arrive

[steep elm]

Current homeless is 34

Found frostlanders are already here

They were 27, 2 of them went to live in the 2 spots that were free in a frostlander barrack

Making 25 frostlanders, 5 wards and 4 settlers homeless

[icy quiver]

okay, so

one house min takes that to 24, 5 spots in the med post takes it to 19 if people can nab their beds they arent using

hope that scouts find wood this turn, both some we can use and resources to harvest

3 weeks left

build sawmill, and 1 house(if scouts find useable wood, take us to 9 homeless),look into crowding law

2 weeks left

build house and coal mine, 9 homeless(or one slot spare assuming 5 still sick and scouts found some wood)

1 week left

1 more house 1 slot spare assuming the high likelihood of sick folk (6 spare slots and 5 beds for sick to return to)

[open pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/im-nothing-like-yall-nothing-like-yall-im-nothing-like-yall-fish-fish-meme-gif-7279072448778168854

[steep elm]

Puppet is coalmaxxing

[marble hatch]

kek

[steep elm]

Where is the Duke propaganda Wilson

[warm cliff]

Burn it

[turbid viper]

shenry hackley will save us

[warm cliff]

Burn it all and do it right now

[marble hatch]

Shenry is too young to be a duke

[verbal musk]

Wait… the duke is Shenry Hackley?

[turbid viper]

idk

[verbal musk]

Alright mr Protean

[icy quiver]

why are you voting for an iro nmine both times

[turbid viper]

im a developmentalist

and i voted only once for a mine

[icy quiver]

we have iron, and we have very little to do with the iron we have

and we have sick people and not enough housing? XD

[turbid viper]

other is a medical post

[turbid viper]

iron house soon trust

[icy quiver]

those would lose heat so quickly..

[verbal musk]

Underground homes when

[turbid viper]

im a visionary

[open pewter]

ew

Think about the beautiful above ground houses

[verbal musk]

That space should be used for art

AKA vandalism

[open pewter]

oh god youre a bohemian!?

[bitter glacier]

how is morale

[verbal musk]

Yes

The fun of the soul

[steep elm]

Fragile

[open pewter]

dear god...

[verbal musk]

There’s more

[bitter glacier]

anything I can do as the group?

[open pewter]

I cant say dear anymore cause it reminds me when I asked puppet the forbidden question

[open pewter]

glup...

[steep elm]

Nothing more than what you're already doing

[bitter glacier]

damn alright

[verbal musk]

What question

[bitter glacier]

I suppose I'll just have to maintain the two shifts and pray the Catanians build two buildings and a sawmill

[open pewter]

Look in #📻│discussions

[verbal musk]

Scary evil

[turbid viper]

THE DAMN FROSTIES HAVE A PLURALITY

[atomic pebble]

As long they are recruiting from the settlers its fine

[bitter glacier]

sadly impossible 😔

I suggest that the frosties get to work or we won't have a city to fight for much longer

[turbid viper]

forced labour

[bitter glacier]

I will pull up with my five rifles if they dont work

[atomic pebble]

You guys are litteraly opting to send us to search for wood

[steep elm]

"I will use my whole 5 rifles if needed!!!1!!1!11!"

But yeah you'd be able to kill a lot of people with those rifles

Maybe the frostlanders should steal those rifles just in case fr fr

[atomic pebble]

Who else has rifles btw?

[steep elm]

No one

[atomic pebble]

Wards didnt have any?
Just haber?

[steep elm]

The wards are the ones with 5

[dark marten]

Me.

[steep elm]

Haber didn't have any

[steep elm]

False

Fake news

[dark marten]

I’m a Ward.

[steep elm]

Sones Jtone has no rifles

[atomic pebble]

They didnt try to convert us, so we are chill.

No stealing

[steep elm]

Peace in our time

[dark marten]

As a Ccout Soncript, I’m fairly sure I have a rifle.

[steep elm]

👏

[steep elm]

-# *until the next diplomatic crisis hits

[atomic pebble]

Frostlanders still dont like the settler guys, they called us frosties.

[turbid viper]

so did nric

[steep elm]

Nric did so because he didn't know better

You guys said it with hate

It's different

[atomic pebble]

You did it first, he just followed after

[turbid viper]

I said it with disdain

[steep elm]

Same thing

There is no nuance in Haber city

[atomic pebble]

None

[steep elm]

What Haber says is the truth

[turbid viper]

No

Using hate on frosties is wasteful