The 1% Club - Group and Radio Show

[sly ruin]

LOL

[slender beacon]

Divorce takes place
Women become a topic

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It's almost like it was written intentionally 🤔

[slender beacon]

Impossible

[reef mirage]

||CAPTAIN WRIGHT ACTION FIGURE lmaooo||

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||That line wasn't even in the script, I thought of it as I was doing it and just threw that in||

[still sail]

I'll listen to this later today, it's too early to hear Pinne say the most outrageous things about his ex-wife

[reef mirage]

||Does he come with the Council Hall dollset?||

[sly ruin]

||No, you'll have to buy the steward to get that||

[worn rune]

very high quality image

[sly ruin]

Heed. Obey. Serve.

[main pawn]

My traditionalists are all turncoats

[remote pelican]

huh.

i didnt expect ||Pinne being a Feminist||

gonna be honest

Pinne based actually?

[sly ruin]

Come to the Pinne side...

[remote pelican]

not THAT kind of based

[sly ruin]

🥺

[still sail]

• Mary Elizabeth Marshall, Member of the 1% Club, circa 1916

[sly ruin]

Is it really that wild?

[remote pelican]

in hindsight not really just

idk

[sly ruin]

Maybe I'm not as disagreeable as the egalitarian propaganda would make you think

[median bridge]

I didnt like Simon as a person...
-# (great character tho)

Also really Pinne "Children should work"?

I agree with giving chores as a means to teach values, but children should focus on their education...

[sly ruin]

I never said there should be no schooling

[median bridge]

At most they should do Apprenticeships

-# That was too close to for me

[sly ruin]

I do support schooling entirely. This isn't a means of "sending the children to the mines," but rather giving them an opportunity to help out and learn merit values while they're there

I think Pinnetunes would be very beneficial for teachers to entertain students in the classroom while also educating them simultaneously

[reef mirage]

"Ahd th-th-that's all, folks!"

Tune in next week

[median bridge]

Oh, then im onboard with his views.

[sly ruin]

I'm glad you can see reason

wink

[sly ruin]

Dude the line "bits and parts at the widget factory" is so funny to me in his voice

What did you think of the song in the beginning? (no one is talking about it)

[jaunty remnant]

it was fire with good vocals

[median bridge]

At first i thought it was his wife singing, maybe thats why he put that song in the opening.

[sly ruin]

This took as long as the entire rest of the broadcast to get right so I'm glad it was worth that extra effort

Just worried people will end up skipping the opening thinking it's just generic music

It needs more attention

[jaunty remnant]

as first i was on 2x speed, but when I heard the vocals, I restarted from the beginning at 1x

[sly ruin]

The same song is at the start of every broadcast, the lyrics revealed here show why Pinne identifies with the song so much and uses it so often

[sly ruin]

Based

Thanks for listening!

I'll send Ruth all of your good words as well

[slender beacon]

Dear God, I thought that divorce part would be a tiny bit thrown in there but it turned into a 10 minute session of me listening to a man's world crumble live on radio

Well, onto today's podcast...

[remote pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1296723716389994517/1331999334006263940/SPOILER_9horku.gif

[slender beacon]

Nah, this was truly saddening

https://tenor.com/view/blade-car-rain-officer-k-ryan-gosling-gif-677833335851754053

[sly ruin]

But was it good?

[slender beacon]

Yes. Just as much as the current one. Both were nicely done. Especially the part with "male and female only jobs". This nonsense would have robbed Henry's squad of a prodigy among marksmen because she just so happens to be female. Look for talent, not for gender.

[sly ruin]

I agree completely. Fair competition between the sexes!

[median bridge]

I just hope that the traditionalists never try to make that nonsense into a law...

[lean blade]

Are you a young entrepreneur?

Do you want to grow your business?

Or maybe you want to tell your story?

"Merit Values"

accepts your letters and advertisements! Write to @lean blade for price negotiation!

|| P.S. We've agreed with Pinne so it's legal. What it is however will be revealed soon enough... ||

[lean blade]

A letter of appreciation.

"Greetings, mister Pinne,

I have been following your broadcasts with great interest for several months. To be honest, each and every one of your broadcasts, even the briefest ones, gives me hope for the future. As a young person, I had doubts about whether my work would be valued, but I now see that I am not alone in placing merit above equality.*

You have undoubtedly been through a difficult period recently. Nevertheless, I want to express my belief that your efforts are not in vain. There are people who tune into your broadcasts and find solace in your words, and they help remind you that your hard work will not go unnoticed in the world we can create together. I wish you every success and hope that you will not lose heart.

I am aware that most letters sent to you contain queries, and therefore, I would like to pose the following question: do you believe that all competition must be healthy? In other words, do you consider victory in a given competition to be achieved only if the winner has been able to produce and market a product that is superior in terms of price/quality compared to other products? I look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,

Pierre Ilsak, owner of the printing company at 13 Colossus Avenue."

Inside, Edwin found a donation of a 50 heatstamps

[autumn arch]

A new voice is heard- who could it be?

[hasty adder]

A new Slime is heard- who could it be?

[still sail]

Huh, Pinne sounds awfully different today

[sly ruin]

Ya'll cooked while I slept I love it

[slender beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-bruh-how-gif-26611638

A spy in our midst

[whole matrix]

I would listen to that!

More of

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Out Of Character audio of me just talking unscripted about Pinne and my feelings with and about the character. Because this is OOC, please don't reply to this post. DM me instead. I might end up deleting this, but if you do wanna see behind the scenes little nuggets of info and character breakdowns, leave a funny emoji or something. Thanks and I wish you all the best!

[main pawn]

To: Edwin Pinne

"A good day to you, Mister Pinne, my sincerest apologies to you and many listeners for the delay in this writing, but I thank you for inviting this message onto your program for the meritocrats of Polaris and curious listeners to witness. "

"To begin, I am thankful to hear your appreciation of my efforts in achieving the first victory of the journey to a city of merit. I remember the final signing of paperwork to make it happen as well as hearing the news of the council halls echo in jubilee from the rebranded council members. I had slept many worrisome nights in the anticipation of that event when the council would finally recognise our cohort. I also remember listening to some of your broadcasts leading up to the fabled day, though at the time that you requested my presence, you could imagine the work I was bearing as part of my efforts. The work you have put in as part of your program is truly an example of how far our ideology has come since the first shining examples of man kind, though I ask that you and listeners not misinterpret that saying as some kind of Traditional alignment, only a layperson should have such narrowminded view on such topics."

"To the aptly named Meritocrats listening to this broadcast, yourself included Mister Pinne, I am glad to see such roaring appreciation and effort since the founding being put towards our goals and operation, while I have given my thanks in private to many key figures, I have little opportunity to truly convey my utmost respect for those who have declared their allegiance to the cause for our better future. With what little I can convey in this short letter, let me tell you all this."

"The Thinkers and Traditionalists fight a battle of past, present and future, philosophical debates and ideas yet to fruition. Polarisians and Frostlanders compete on the other end, fighting a battle most relevant to us all, waiting to sweep us all into it whether you're on one side or the other. We on the other hand fight a battle against the Labourers as old as humanity itself and will continue to do so in the future whether by our hand or another, more traditional than Tradition, more reasonable than Reason. A means of progress and adaptation that in some cases may bypass zeitgeist entirely. What we achieve here may seem small to us, yet its worth is measured in the decades after it. We fight a battle that finds itself in the middle between the debate of survival and the debate of society, one that is so clear cut on either side that leaves little to debate their details or nuances. A Polarisian may lose faith in their belief stemming from a thought of being incorrect, much like a Traditionalists or a Thinker, but little such event may occur between us or the Labourers. All of you should not look towards the others and think their battle to be like our own, but rather see that we fight a discussion of our very nature."

"To those unaffiliated to our cause, whether pledged to another or not, allow me to part with you a less lengthy speech. "Merit" is merely a useful tool as a term to summarise our beliefs, much like how the other groups rally under a common word, yet when people hear our word specifically they may have connotations associated with it. Some of these associations are bad, by virtue of circumstances outside our control, for that I can only hope you can come to your own unclouded conclusion through discussion or private research. Some associations are good, but even this I would hope does not cloud your views on what we fight for, blind obsession does no one any good."

"What we fight for is what drove mankind to the greatest highs, the ability for one to earn what they put in. Simple minded folk may summarise it as simply being a distinction between those who are the best among us and everyone else, but I wish to quell this mistake. Part of the battle is for a man or woman to labour and contribute their fair share to the city and be rightfully awarded for it. Those who go above and beyond should be granted the respect they deserve and provided the resources needed to bring us along with them, benefitting us all. An individual providing more than another will not solely mean another may go hungry, after all, that excess effort will inevitably create surplus, but rather those who participate in society will be rewarded by what society offers them. Some may point towards the extremes and societal rots, the horrors of what a solely meritocratic state may bring, but I wish to part with you this. The same may be said for a society of true equality, true stability at the cost of eternal stagnation. To lament on what could be is the job of Thinkers and Traditionalists. Rot, evil and corruption is a result of humanity itself, to pin it on Merit or Equality is unsensible."

"I thank all the listeners, meritocrats, Pinne and more for your time."

FROM: Lady Holloway

PS. I'd love to discuss that offer of yours if it's still available, there's always room for such deals.

[still sail]

-# holy

[sly ruin]

We are so back

[reef mirage]

🥂 We have peaked

[remote pelican]

-# oh

[main pawn]

i told myself it would be one character limit post

https://tenor.com/view/blud-gif-2232788265298867531

[worn rune]

https://tenor.com/view/he-did-it-gif-25741033

great win for the merit cause apparently

[main pawn]

they're gonna need it

[worn rune]

winning the battle against equality effortlessly to the quality difference

how will be labourers retaliate....

[jaunty remnant]

did the 1% club become cannon?

[reef mirage]

I wish we were a cannon

We could fire cannonballs then

[still sail]

yes, they need weapons to take over the sister city, after all

[jaunty remnant]

who will the cannonballs be

[still sail]

the labourers, obviously

[jaunty remnant]

so you are saying we need to unite when faced with war

[still sail]

-# more like they'll use you as expendable resources
sure

[jaunty remnant]

i think our friend Wilson can arrange us a war
-# an eternal war

[undone vessel]

hold on arent you supposed to be for the legion

[undone vessel]

i still have drawing of light tank we can use

[worn rune]

only a fool refuses to admit when he is beaten

[main pawn]

and only a doomsayer parades around a setback

you're a traditionalist, this should be second nature to you

[median bridge]

-# Trad admited defeat, another Reason W.

[undone vessel]

he not a trad not anymore

[woeful nymph]

The external war against the frost will never end
-# ~~ unless... ~~

[undone vessel]

peace is not a option

[slender beacon]

Notice how she separated Meritocrats and Pinne

Also, what offer was there on the table?

[lean blade]

TIME OUT THAT'S HYPE

[worn rune]

its a w for the oppressive capitalists, not you lot

[worn rune]

i thought you'd never ask..

[slender beacon]

Since when are you ?

[worn rune]

I will always breathe until the day i die

[slender beacon]

Damn legionnaires

[lean blade]

insane people am i right

[slender beacon]

So true

[woeful nymph]

[whole matrix]

one of us, one of us

ftw

[median bridge]

Excuses

[whole matrix]

yo, 🐸 what do you have to bring to the fight?

[lean blade]

I have a gun.

[undone vessel]

the guy change side more than he change clothe

[undone vessel]

a ft 17 light tank

[jaunty remnant]

you are not a tode

and you dont even have the funds to build it

[undone vessel]

i have a working protype of a turret

we need oil for the chassis that all

[jaunty remnant]

from what i know the chassis is the hardest to make

[worn rune]

fym, ive always been like that

[whole matrix]

why would you supply the meritoads with tanks?

HOW would you supply the meritoads with tanks?

[undone vessel]

no the ft 17 are for the legionaire

[jaunty remnant]

so we will have both the tanks and the bear

[orchid urchin]

random nitpick
I believe in conversation, debate, speech, or happenstance, edwin pinne said he does not believe in and opposes people reaping another person's labors

[whole matrix]

A small boy, maybe 5 years of age, in rugged clothes is standing infront of Pinne Lumber. Muffled by the scarf around his neck and mouth, to block out the cold that is gripping the city, he bellows out of his lungs to gain attention from the workers and passers by:

"Come here, come here. Grab your's fresh out of the press! New paper, new Ink. Fresh views. Grab it while it lasts. Just one Heatstamp and it is yours!

Come here, come here ...."

[slender beacon]

(Unofficial reply)

[whole matrix]

Honestly:
If a curiers bag, fit for a 5 year old holds, what, 20 papers. For 1 HS each, that is 20 HS. 100 would be a plus of 80

Which would directly go into the next issue. And would show the not so equal distribution of currency within the city

[slender beacon]

Until the boy realises that it weren't heatstamps but "Meritopounds" that can only be redeemed in the 1% club

[jaunty remnant]

if it can be exchanged for a commodity it still helps

[half socket]

ncr dollars

[sly ruin]

LOL

[remote pelican]

close enough, welcome back company store

[short breach]

Hey guys

What’s this channel about?

I still quite didn’t understand the gist

[sly ruin]

Full show here

[short breach]

Thanks Edwin

[short breach]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-ranbir-ranbir-kapoor-ranbir-kapoor-animal-animal-ranbir-kapoor-gif-13226525465291846504

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Ep7 letters (for my access later)

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2

[native girder]

Huh. this is still going

[sly ruin]

Next episode in a few weeks

[lean blade]

Huzzah

[whole matrix]

all the while labourbears pumped out 4 issues of their newspaper XD

[woeful nymph]

four?

[sly ruin]

The problem is I have to write actual song lyrics, deal with finals, and sing/record everything.

On top of that, literally every part of Pinnes broadcasts are relevant to his story. I could just make more merit arguments indefinitely, but the broadcasts don't do that because I want each broadcast to exist for a specific purpose and build off eachother

[whole matrix]

U see, that is the
Wait for it

MERIT

of a less stressfull Media. While we also struggle with editing, writing, more editing, while also telling stories and move forward with what happens with the city and us as characters, it is a much broader and easier to handle media 😉 just saying.

And not disregarding your effort, mind you. Teasing a little, maybe

[woeful nymph]

get to the bunker, an economic debate is expected to strike this area

[sly ruin]

I think what you don't realize is the 5-7 hours it takes to do each broadcast excluding coming up with ideas which also takes hours in itself

Pinne is way deeper than I think anyone besides George realizes

[still sail]

he's just a divorced man, nothing deep about him /j

[woeful nymph]

He's clearly just an evil, greedy capitalist who exploits his workers as far as he can while paying them shit because unions are banned and there's probably a workforce surplus

-# /j obviously

[still sail]

+divorced

[sly ruin]

I feel like some people don't even realize this and just think I'm larping as myself and disguising it as playing a character

[woeful nymph]

I'd advise putting a disclaimer on all your debates so your merit isn't tainted

[sly ruin]

Nah I just don't want to do debates anymore they've been ruined for me

The messages go so long anyways people will miss it unless I'm repeatedly saying it over and over

[woeful nymph]

😔

[whole matrix]

What might also makes a difference is the size of the team

[reef mirage]

Why should he put a disclaimer that he is playing a character, if we all are? I think some people are too invested in this thing. That's just a game

[whole matrix]

We are like 3-4 writers alone, with keeping the Option open of external entries.
Same with Editors. More people make the dream come true

[sly ruin]

I am one guy who is screaming at voice actors trying to get a take exactly correct

[whole matrix]

Again,me personally likes the format and the work you put in.

I tease ic

Grab yourself some bodies

[sly ruin]

I know I know

[whole matrix]

Take Henry, for example. He might be able to help

Or rather, maybe not Henry. He might Crash with German lectures XD

[sly ruin]

I was planning on Henry playing Simon originally but he wasn't able to so I had to make a new character

[still sail]

I mostly like the broadcasts not for the merit itself, but for Pinne going on tangents and that type of stuff
like, his sheer confusion on the last episode with the guy he invited on the broadcast is why I listen to it

[sly ruin]

LITERALLY ME

Ruth VA probably hates me by now with how many times I made her redo the song

[reef mirage]

Edwin reminds me a lot of politically fueled, but still chaotic and fun, days in Not For Broadcast. Silly yet serious!

[sly ruin]

Not For Broadcast is my very very obvious inspiration 🙏

[sly ruin]

I agree completely. The merit stuff is what the show is supposed to be about, and as such it needs to be part of it since if I did too many tangents, that would become the show instead

[slender beacon]

At the very least she got the time. I believe I wouldn't be alone often enough to voice out a scene

[still sail]

yes, I enjoy having it as the background theme, what links everything, but the actual content being Pinne either being crazy himself or being flabbergasted by things he sees as crazy

[sly ruin]

I understand completely, I just think it would be really cool to involve everyone's characters and make them pseudo canon

[slender beacon]

Get Cooper on the radio for 20 minutes of trash talking

[sly ruin]

I think I disagree with that. It's more of a character study on Pinne himself, his explanations of merit are meant to reveal how he perceives the world and the kind of person he is

It was never about the merit it was about sending a message

[jaunty remnant]

at first i began listening because of the merit, but after hearing the 5th broadcast i relistened to them for the Pinne

[reef mirage]

When I'm happy I listen for the merit
When I'm sad I understand the Pinne

[woeful nymph]

came for the merit, stayed for the Pinne

[sly ruin]

Episode 5 was my plan since the very beginning. I wanted to create a pattern that people would rely on and expect then shatter it with a twist

[still sail]

no, I meant more as the uh

in-character, it's the reason as to why he's speaking here, the reason he has a broadcast at all
he started this because of "merit", and at some degree his broadcasts can be traced back to that, but that isn't the main message, the main thing is pinne and his beliefs

[sly ruin]

Not even Pinne's beliefs. I don't know how to describe it but it extends beyond just that. There's something more.

[jaunty remnant]

sadly i began listening when Ep 5 was out so i binged them without much thought about the characters

[still sail]

yeah, I just can't exactly explain it

his personality?

just him in general

[sly ruin]

I think that's kind of the intention. Episode 5 kinda comes out of nowhere and hits you and then at that moment you realize "Oh this is an actual character"

[sly ruin]

There's a point I'm trying to get across with Pinne as a character. To me, it's extremely obvious but I think I may be tacking it on too subtly for anyone to really get it. I think it'll become more evident as I produce more

There's a moral to the story

[still sail]

that I can identify more or less

I was just having some difficulty to express what I meant
-# sometimes being a non native english speaker really shows itself

[sly ruin]

I won't confirm nor deny anything but I would love to hear your thoughts

[still sail]

my thoughts are mine and mine alone, you will not steal them from me, you capitalistic merit man!

[sly ruin]

It would help me know how to write the story going further

I say that like I don't already have the next 3 broadcast planned out

And even a... Christmas broadcast?

[still sail]

but, well, part of what I like to hear is just how much Pinne thinks of merit in his normal life. How much of this... "obsession"? he incorporates in things that are not necessarily related to it
Him attempting to use merit to justify things that happened in his life, like his wife not talking to him anymore, or the other guy saying that women shouldn't work, he is pretty vulnerable but I believe he tries to always have a justification for what he says and thinks, even if he doesn't "need" one

that's mostly all I have

[sly ruin]

The next question naturally would be "Why is Edwin so obsessed with merit?"

[still sail]

he wants to feel worthy in some way, is my guess
justify his economic ascension, and why he deserves things that he either has or wants to have

[sly ruin]

I will neglect to say anymore

Your thoughts have been helpful

[slender beacon]

Trauma due to the founding council using people like him as unpaid tools who received no recognition for their plights

[sly ruin]

Character study stuff I love

Someone like DMed me a while back this long rant analyzing Pinne and like 90% of what he said was absolutely true

It was schizophrenic as hell but wonderful

[jaunty remnant]

like haber said trying to justify his economic ascension and why he was the one to rise above his peers, trying to explain to himself why Wright helped him

[main pawn]

Now look at us, once we had no common enemy, we had to make a new one

[median bridge]

A Proposal

Greetings, Mr. Pinne,

After hearing some of your broadcasts, I came to the conclusion that you greatly value the effort that your employees put into their jobs and that (at least to my understanding) you think that it's only right to give back to those who give their all on a job. That being said, I understand that working in the lumber industry isn't always a safe job.

With that in mind, I'd like to ask you, as the owner and foreman of Pinne Lumber Co., how do you treat the employees who gave too much for their task?

As we all know, accidents can occur, potentially affecting your most valuable personnel. Isn't it disheartening to lose such hardworking and loyal employees? So much effort gone in an instant because of a slip-up; you would have a cripple that can't do what they were best at and is to be left behind as a broken person. Do you think it's right to just let such person go with just some compensation and a simple prosthesis?

Well, if you also think that's the wrong way to go about it, I'd like to ask if you know about Hellen Fern's latest thesis? Her method allowed us to push the boundaries of what was thought possible; Currently there exists a possibility to create improved models of prostheses can allow our crippled to be even more efficient in their tasks while also giving back the dignity they once had.

With all this being put onto paper, would you be willing to invest in her research? I'm sure such a transaction would benefit both parties. Furthermore, if you're still unsure about this proposal, I could arrange a meeting so that both sides could discuss the finer details of such an investment.

Sincerely, Vincent F. Jothan.

[sly ruin]

I will be reserving this for the episode after the next one, as there's already a lot and I don't want it going on indefinately. Next episode should be soonish depending on how open my schedule is(I have way too many gamenights locked in)

[median bridge]

np, i imagined as much

[short breach]

Merit is merit

Merit should be an obvious synonym to every positive word

[still sail]

merit = good
merit = nice
merit = honorable
merit = ethical
merit = honest
merit = decent
merit = true
merit = moral
merit = worthy

[short breach]

@jaunty remnant

The rat among us

Throw him to the generator

[jaunty remnant]

im not a rat and im not among you

[short breach]

…

/throwtogenerator @jaunty remnant

[jaunty remnant]

it seems you dont have admin perms

[still sail]

no captain's authority

[sly ruin]

Trying to read this message without fumbling my words is the final boss of polaris

[woeful nymph]

im not reading that wall of text, a TL;DR is appreciated if possible

[sly ruin]

HELP ME

[main pawn]

thanks pinne for the appreciation
our ideology has come a long way from the old days
dont take that as a traditionalist statement
thanks meritocrats for your efforts
tinkers and traditionalists are fighting of some philosophical stuff
polarisians and frostlanders are aruging about living
we shouldn't compare the meritocrat battle against the labourers with the others
our fight is more important than them
to those unaffiliated, dont just focus on the word 'merit'
its not inherently bad, not inherently good, dont get it twisted
the extreme end of any ideology is bad, its what we make of it thats worth it

[slender beacon]

We've got reasonable Shackley before GTA VI

[main pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

[whole matrix]

Whats He now? Traditionalist , Meritocrat or Reasonite

[slender beacon]

Still an old man yelling at snow

[woeful nymph]

thx

[worn rune]

can i get a tldr of this

[main pawn]

thanks pinne
we've come a long way
thanks meritocrats
our fight is more important than those other guys
don't focus on the word 'merit'
extremism is bad

[worn rune]

i see

[remote pelican]

can i get a tldr of this, please?

[woeful nymph]

thx bro
much advancement
thx
we coler than surv and soc
🔥
extremism bad

[main pawn]

thanks meriters
we're better than them
form your own opinions
extremity bad

do not ask for a TLDR

[half socket]

i dont understand, can you explain to me as if i was 5 years old?

[main pawn]

thanks guys
think for yourself
too much = bad

[half socket]

ohhhh okay

[woeful nymph]

tl;dr:

thx
think
far = bad

[reef mirage]

Googoo gaagaa popoo

[woeful nymph]

average Meritocrat:

-# (confirmed)

[reef mirage]

I will sell snake oil to you

[woeful nymph]

aha, that doesn't work because I'm broke!

and can't afford your scams anyways!

I win!

another W for

[reef mirage]

W stands for uhh uuhh ummm

[woeful nymph]

W stands for We are aWesome

[slender beacon]

Stick to undermining city authority

[woeful nymph]

yes sir

[median bridge]

Clearly the last part means that progress is bad.

[whole matrix]

Proggers! is good

[sly ruin]

(This broadcast had a third of it cut because it went on FAR too long. Hope ya'll enjoy. This was the most difficult one to make by far.)

[worn rune]

"any reasonable business"

i cant believe you've done this

[sly ruin]

LOL

[reef mirage]

MERIT BROADCAST TODAY

[sly ruin]

YAYYYYY

[reef mirage]

And I can't hear it rn

[sly ruin]

Worst ending

[worn rune]

my favourite schizoranter about egalitarians ❤️

[main pawn]

"any reasonable business would produce a long term plan"

wrong, ALL IN BABY

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-gif-12007401521632546156

[sly ruin]

HAHAHAHAHA

Desperate times call for desperate measures

[worn rune]

yes sir I will begin buying low and selling high 🫡

[sly ruin]

Polaris' first stock exchange

[main pawn]

how do you manage to turn a life or death situation into a fucking REAL ESTATE discussion

[sly ruin]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[worn rune]

The grind never stops

[reef mirage]

No way, this must be so funny

[worn rune]

holloway time

[sly ruin]

I start every broadcast by thinking "What is Pinne currently thinking and worried about?" Every bit of every broadcast reveals something about him. He might think something differently than what he says, but the message he chooses to put out and how he frames it is intentional.

[reef mirage]

Why did you put out the broadcast when I'm studying, this is suffering...

[main pawn]

you've put more thought into it than i do when i do posts

i just type shit

[sly ruin]

LOL

Edwin Pinne is the only canon part of FR everything else is side content

[main pawn]

this current radio post was made while in a call with puppet talking about (stuff i cannot talk about yet)

[sly ruin]

Excited to see what's planned

[reef mirage]

Frostpunk: Merit Radio RP

[sly ruin]

LOL

[main pawn]

edwin pinne name dropping Holloway's full name for the first time in a public channel in five months

[sly ruin]

They just don't get her like I do

[still sail]

(The war against the sister city)

[reef mirage]

Holloway became canon

[sly ruin]

HAHAHAHA

[worn rune]

Oh boy oh boy "my ideology is perfect and all flaws arent it" time

[sly ruin]

HAHAHAHAHA

[main pawn]

i can't tell if Pinne's hushed voice towards the end of the Holloway letter is because he genuinely forgot the offer he made to Holloway or just surprise in receiving a letter from Holloway

and then immediately proceeds to start speaking about merit in the exact way that she called out as blind obsession

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[sly ruin]

||So this broadcast takes months after the holloway offer was made. He kinda gave up hope that anything would happen. He was very surprised that she actually wrote to him, but near the end became more disappointed that she renounced aspects of merit that he supports.||

[worn rune]

absolute kino

[main pawn]

"A letter from Holloway? I can't believe it!"

75% through the letter

https://tenor.com/view/sad-emoji-sad-emoji-emoji-stare-disgust-gif-405076546600269050

[sly ruin]

Pinne has a bit of a habit of building people up in his mind and being let down when they're not the exact person he thought they were

[main pawn]

make that a community sized phenomenon and you get the traditionalists

[sly ruin]

Maybe tradition isn't so bad after all...

[main pawn]

https://imgur.com/VcDKXfD

[lean blade]

well I mean 28 mins

that's

fucking wild

Also MERIT BROADCAST TODAY YIPPE

[reef mirage]

Your own words??? This is peak

[lean blade]

the only sad thing is that you haven't answered my question though

:(

[sly ruin]

He gives an answer, albeit indirectly at the end

[lean blade]

oooh

okay I need to relisten then

[sly ruin]

Look for when he talks about healthy competition

[orchid urchin]

-# this would explain a lot about your grammar, regent...

[whole matrix]

dang, almost 30 minutes Pinne

[sly ruin]

Super episode that no one has seen 😭

[whole matrix]

I was about to listen that, when a friend called. I will resume to that after

[whole matrix]

btw, I feel the song at the beginning it's a bit meta-gaming: I wouldn't know how Pinne would know of Heinrich - or his actions 🤔 @sly ruin

[sly ruin]

When I started this months ago I asked people to compile me a list of events that happened in RP that would have created enough of a scene to be local news. That one specifically was the best candidate

Keep in mind that the population is just under 9k

[whole matrix]

i still feel this is something out of a guard report. granted, those sometimes talk 🤷 meh, felt meta

but anyway, almost 30 mins

that's a lot

[sly ruin]

If something is funny enough in a small town, word tends to get around

[whole matrix]

fair

[woeful nymph]

soon we'll have movie length, pure audio Pinne broadcasts

[whole matrix]

I think the term there is Podcasts XD

In that case Pinne rly needs a Partner to Talk to

[reef mirage]

He did have another person with him once. A theater entrepreneur, I've heard

[whole matrix]

true, but only for like 1/4 of said broadcast. and I think he threw him out as well ^^

[reef mirage]

The guy deserved it, really

[autumn arch]

Is this a proposal perhaps to be said partner?

[whole matrix]

if you want to join our newspaper, sure. let's talk about a dinner.

as for Pinne, idk what his plans are 🤷

[autumn arch]

A.. dinner? 🤔 when and where

[whole matrix]

Central Street 22, Firday 9pm?

*friday

[autumn arch]

Wherever that is I can try to show

[whole matrix]

semi-canon place in Polaris now. WHere Peddrik lives

[autumn arch]

Alright !

[whole matrix]

could that actually make RP?

[autumn arch]

I don't see why not, not sure if we are in the same timezone ? Most definitely not though

[whole matrix]

TZ is optional. We can go back and forth whenever each has time. I don't have to do it in one sitting with both online, if that is cool with you?

[autumn arch]

Yeah that's fine !

[whole matrix]

then I set us up before going to bed and leave you all the time in the world to answer 🙂

[autumn arch]

Alr ! 🙏 ty

[autumn arch]

Updated (pretty sure)

[short breach]

We need to retaliate

Egalitarians can’t just push us around

[whole matrix]

We can. We are Legion XD

[sly ruin]

Honey, the egalitarians are comparing themselves to literal demons again

[short breach]

We are

The overseers

[whole matrix]

Legion does not mean demons. only many in numbers 😉

[sly ruin]

We are legion is a quote from the bible

A demon says it

Egalitarians are demons

Does that mean meritocrats are angels 🤔

Probably

[whole matrix]

it is also said in WoW by the Horde, which are not demons. humanoid species differing from mankind, that's all.
And labourers are different from merchants and the likes 😉
is different from

[sly ruin]

I think the bible came before WoW

Beat it by just a few years

"We're not demons, we're the horde of the undead"

-Egalitarians

Meanwhile, merit remains strong in upholding good virtues like radio broadcasts

[whole matrix]

"We're the upper 1%, we oppress since the middle ages"

• Meritocrats

[sly ruin]

I never said this

[whole matrix]

Meanwhile Labourers uphold a grounded news network with newspapers

[whole matrix]

never said that

[sly ruin]

Ummmmmmmmm

[whole matrix]

humanoid species. I did not say anything about undead

You are twisting my words.

I even said I used the term Legion as an expression of 'many'

i rest my case

[sly ruin]

Idk I'm not the one quoting demons

[whole matrix]

me neither

[sly ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[sly ruin]

I think the full quote is "We are legion for we are many"

What a fun coincidence

[whole matrix]

the bible is fiction.

a loose account of events, exaggerated at most parts, at best

[whole matrix]

may be

[sly ruin]

You're still quoting demons

The movement of equality, everyone

[whole matrix]

am i wrong? labourers are the biggest group by percentage in Polaris

I am only saying the truth. we are many

[sly ruin]

Which is what the demon said

I rest my case, egalitarians are evil

Buy my product

[whole matrix]

we are not. infact, you need us in order to gain something that you can sell as a product, Mr. Pinne

without workers, are you going to cut the wood?

[sly ruin]

Pinne lumber is 100% demon free sorry

[whole matrix]

i dont think so

I dont see you chopping wood, "friend"

[sly ruin]

One second I'm telegraphing the faithkeepers

I'm gonna see if I can sell Pinne's Fresh Holy Water for this exorcism

The water is blessed by ME

[whole matrix]

maybe it i time we get the guillotine production running for the upper 1%

I heard the french had a thing going after their revolution ... 🤔

[sly ruin]

Look folks, the demon is threatening to kill me

If demons are against me then I am on the side of the divine

[whole matrix]

you are but upholding the interest of your wallet.
trying to market hocus-pocus water and defamating another group that is not clinging to merit

[sly ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/balthazar-jesus-kenneth-copeland-i-excute-judgement-on-you-malade-gif-3147776694790301491

[whole matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-kong-skar-king-shimo-godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-gif-15827902435891892073

[sly ruin]

Woah I have a lot of power

[whole matrix]

no, that is my smite against you

[sly ruin]

Tithe me 10% of your income for spiritual healings

[sly ruin]

Oh wow, demonic powers, eh?

IN THE NAME OF THE ECONOMY I REBUKE YOU FOUL SPIRIT

[whole matrix]

no, i overcharge Gennie for that. much easier then to call upon nonsense

[whole matrix]

(that is lowkey a funny transscript)

[sly ruin]

Only 2 wishes left...

I WISH FOR A MILLION HEATSTAMPS

I WISH FOR A MILLION WISHES FOR ME

None left...

Now, BEGONE

[whole matrix]

you can't wish for more wishes. Rule N°1

[sly ruin]

I am Edwin Pinne I can do whatever I please

I'm not gonna have some broke LOSER tell me what I can and can not do

[whole matrix]

false. I bet I know just some people that can pretty surely tell you your limits
whistles
@slender beacon tell him his laws and what rules to follow

[sly ruin]

I love money

[whole matrix]

🦀

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-hello-i-like-money-interview-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10015058

[sly ruin]

Now you finally get me good sir. I'm glad we could purge the demons corrupting your heart

[whole matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-i-am-no-heretic-space-marine-titus-herecy-gif-9340640483898884352

(gtg for a bit, grocery shopping)

[sly ruin]

Egalitarian enjoys the fruits of a meritocratic system

[slender beacon]

You threatened to overcharge the Generator and now you ask for MY support?

[sly ruin]

LOL

S tier response

[slender beacon]

Don't think that makes you free of charges, Mr. "Money buys the world but not my wife's love"

Also, I'm going to listen to the broadcast today, now that my exams and training are completed

[sly ruin]

I never said I was free of charges. That would be absurd

Charges are 4.99 + Shipping

[sly ruin]

LOL

[whole matrix]

gold response

we are getting along here

[whole matrix]

also, who do you think worked to get these fruits growing, ey? that were the workers, the labourers!

[sly ruin]

Which worker

[whole matrix]

Harrison, me, just to name a few

Billy Bob, the Hothouse Farmer

I could go on

[sly ruin]

You work in a grocery store?

[whole matrix]

I work in the infirmary, to keep the people alive that loose limbs in your lumber mill

[slender beacon]

As always I'm a little late to the party but this was a beautiful broadcast. Just as with FR posts, it's always worth the wait. No matter how long the next one takes, just keep going with them. You're doing great @sly ruin

[sly ruin]

I really appreciate hearing that thank you

[sly ruin]

And who has lost their limbs at my lumber mill?

[whole matrix]

patient files are confidential, i fear. but there are a number of people who cut, ripped and otherwise hurt themselves

[sly ruin]

A number of my own employees which I somehow don't know about?

I believe you've fallen victim to a classic merit hustle

People haven't lost any limbs here in years

Accidents occasionally happen as they do with any job. Anyone claiming something more severe is fleecing you for a story in your newspaper

[whole matrix]

mr Mays report states otherwise. we have a rise in injuries. i doubt that your workplace does not count into that 😉

it's all there in the radio post

it not stating particular names does not make it less real

[sly ruin]

Equating injury to the loss of a limb is an extreme lack of journalistic integrity on your part

Pinne Lumber is and remains among the safest blue collar jobs available in Polaris and I will not tolerate any deception in regards to by business

If you want to make claims, talk to my employees

Otherwise we are done

[whole matrix]

it was also talked about lost limbs, to my recollection

[sly ruin]

I'd love to read the report on someone recently losing a limb from my business

If you have nothing, then I recommend you leave to go find any amount of credibility you once had

[whole matrix]

(why am I not getting these pings?)

anyway, you want to have me dig up confidential reports of patients? for what purpose do you need those reports?

[sly ruin]

For all intensive purposes I am more than willing to send all employee records over to you and your paper to make sure that your reporting is accurate

There is no logged injury of anyone losing a limb on-site for years

[whole matrix]

why do i doubt your intend of being so straight forward?

[sly ruin]

Because you're biased into thinking I'm the enemy perhaps?

So you come in here hurling accusations towards me and my enterprise without evidence and deny to even witness the evidence that I am more than willing to provide

I've been nothing but reasonable towards you

Either pay me the same respect I grant you or get out

[whole matrix]

not an enemy. corporate owner with a reputation to loose is enough.
and it is not that i am hurling accusations at you without proof. I am legally not allowed to provide these informations.
to protect the patients.
i do have it on good authority that people out of your workplace have been injured and lost limbs.
I am honest and reasonable towards you as well. the Hippocratic oath does not cover the 'treat everyone' but also the 'protect everyone' - such data is holy. and must be kept a secret

I can however give you a number of the cases total, if that is something that you are willing to accept?

those do not include any personal detail about age, gender or other medical history

[sly ruin]

There has been no record of anyone losing a limb on-site recently

We keep track of injuries here

A loss of a limb has not been recorded

If a wave of limbless employees were showing up to work, I would have known a long time ago

I am very present within my position

I know every detail of everything that happens on the premises

I would review the information you have extremely carefully

[whole matrix]

actually they would not show up missing one. not for a while. <- they stay in our care for a while.
☝️ or rather not with the stumb.
they would receive a replacement, a prosthetic

are your schedules all water proof and solid, with no sick days?

i doubt that. especially with Hope in the works

[sly ruin]

I know when my employees are not at work. What kind of a man do you think I am?

I keep meticulous records of everything

[whole matrix]

🤷 you tell me

actually, you tell all of us all the time 😄

[sly ruin]

And that's why it's abundantly clear to me that your position is not based on evidence but rather blind faith that I must have something to hide

We are incredibly selective and careful within our operation

Pinne Lumber is incredibly good to our employees

They are paid generously and working conditions are a standard for how the rest of Polaris should be improving

[whole matrix]

why would I lie about the people coming to me (the infirmary) in need?
I am not allowed to disclose any personal details, which does not mean it is not true.
I also believe that you keep good, honest and detailed records.
which begs the question who is wrong? what get's mixed up and who is responsible?

maybe we can agree upon the fact that the currentsystem is working it's people to death? or close to it?

[sly ruin]

I think most likely your records must be inaccurate. An ex-employee perhaps who's records are not updated?

Whatever information you're using, I would investigate it throughly

[sly ruin]

The City census shows no change in population since the cost of hope plan was put into place. To say this would be false reporting

[whole matrix]

that is not my job. that goes to administration. either that of the infirmary, or the one from the city, i fear.
additionally the Guards could launch another kind of investigation

[whole matrix]

yet. it has merely been a week with an increase in medical cases. this much you can't deny

[sly ruin]

It doesn't matter. Any reports of employees losing limbs here is categorically false

[whole matrix]

||(on a more serious note outside of this discussion, i do enjoy this back and forth quite a lot, actually.
and I cannot wait for that mentioned colab of boradcast and paper.

in the end there can not be one side, without the other. needs
and I do hope the 'bashing' still has the /j-coat for you as well)||

[sly ruin]

To call those numbers equivalent to deaths or the loss of limbs is wholly inaccurate. Our current reporting system doesn't differentiate life-threatening ailments from a papercut.

If you want to get into media, you need to report the situation accurately. Framing stories through layers of deceit will do you no favors

Have hospitalizations increased, I do not doubt it by any means. But that doesn't mean you should inflate the numbers because it makes your side look better

Most injuries that take place here are incredibly minor especially when you weigh severity with our competitors

It's not entirely about numbers and statistics, it's also about people and how that individually effects them

I don't deny that things are tough now. Things still remain so much better than it was 30 years ago under the old council

[whole matrix]

I have not yet stated anything about reported deaths.
I was and still am simply stating the fact that the current work pace does not call for secure measures,
which have already caused a notable increase in injuries - it doesn't matter if it is a papercut or (going up to) lost limbs.
this increase will and I will put my hand into the grinding gears of the generator, sooner rather then later kill people. I am curious about the next census.
sickness and injuries are already up, crippling the workforce as is

[sly ruin]

And this is by no means an endorsement of the steward or the current council

This is an endorsement of fair and accurate reporting

That should apply to even people we don't like

[sly ruin]

It in fact does matter if it's a papercut. I'm not going to say that an industry is life threatening because people bleed a little. That would be an absurd and irrational stance.

It's life threatening if it threatens people's lives

[sly ruin]

||But merit does not need equality||

[sly ruin]

If a paper cut was working people to death then I am a corpse multiple times over

[whole matrix]

the bell is ringing for everyone here. every enterprise that is employing people.
and just to make sure that the message is clear - I do not blame you for anything that is happening: that is on the steward and her options that were open for vote.
I did not support any of the two, because both will end up filling graves.
I am merely stating that people everywhere get hurt and loose things.
Outside of the main Polaris hole is the extraction district permeating heat just to keep itself running while sawing as many trees as it can, the mass amount of sawdust being produced starts littering the ground and causing a cough or two in those who aren't wearing dust masks or those unfortunate enough that it isn't enough. Wood chips scatter the ground and start making it a genuine trouble to just walk around, either sticking into your boots or stumbling your gait, further exacerbating the already troublesome operation when twice or thrice the amount of people are walking around. Some men are dedicated solely to clearing the room of floor hazards and other keep watch of people who may injure themselves.
^ this is just about what the woodworks are currently showing as symptoms from the latest Radio post + what may has given as information a week later

[whole matrix]

||ouch ^^||

[sly ruin]

Oh the horrors of wearing masks and shoes!

[sly ruin]

We both correctly recognize the enemy, administration

You however I am afraid coming at it with an irrational stance

[whole matrix]

I am more talking about the horrors of slipping in that sawdust, into the sawdust or god forbid something much sharper, like saws

[sly ruin]

And we have people to clear the floors to prevent that exact situation

It may not be perfect but by no means is it working people to death

We have to deal with the consequences of a poor administration that missed the mark on their duties severely

However we make sure that things are as manageable as they can be

[whole matrix]

longer shifts, tighter schedules and more acute changes are doing that. everything is in overdrive rn.
and that will be the cause of some serious losses.
so if anything we would need to decrease the current stress

[sly ruin]

And that is what merit is for

Luxury, entertainment, reward

Tougher times means harder work, and merit makes sure that we pay back every wrong multiple times over

Spending heatstamps on pleasures reduce stress

Of course we aren't there today, but merit is a fully sustainable system

Egalitarianism and authoritarianism unfortunately is not

And injuries or even deaths might come about from poor management

Merit will ensure that management consists of the best of the best

[whole matrix]

• hold the thought for the day. i am actually tired from work and feel myself slipping into sleep. I gladly take this on tomorrow again, ok?-

gn8 Pinne

[sly ruin]

You just realized that Edwin completely destroyed you and you need more time to come up with a reply

I get it

[whole matrix]

yeye, say what you need to feel better with yourself 😉 I'm gonna catch some sleep. bb

[sly ruin]

Egalitarian DESTROYED by FACTS and LOGIC || Edwin Pinne compilation

[short breach]

Lol

Homelessness is a lifestyle

Prove me wrong

[whole matrix]

Why is an equality based system, with a basic income granted by the state not sustainable?

view it from a market perspective:
about 1/3 of the people have nothing, cannot afford to buy things. they cannot py rent and because they don't have a fixed place of living, they cannot get a job

with a basic, minimal income or aid, call it as you will, everyone is given a little something. they can rent a place and even spend HS on things like food and cloths.
now all 3/3, instead of 2/3 before can flood the market with HS+taxes.

^ this however does not have to mean that these 1/3 are not going to work. but they are 1) enable to, because they cannot basic necessities required to get a job and 2) they see that they will need a job to earn more, in order to then get the stuff beyond basics - luxury goods (for relaxation as spoken off above)

we simply provide everyone with the same opportunity.
your surplus, that currently the upper 1% are holding, would simply be spread across evenly.
and extra effort still can be rewarded beyond regular pay, even more so incentivizing to thrive for something greater/more

[sly ruin]

How would this 1% be rewarded beyond regular pay?

[whole matrix]

For the Same 'extra work beyond the usual'.
Also this system would slowly get rid of a upper 1%, since you would also gain a Minimum base plus what you work for

All be equal and the same 🙂

[whole matrix]

You want something, you need to do something for it

[sly ruin]

I agree completely

[slender beacon]

[sly ruin]

LOL

[whole matrix]

This actually works in both zeitgeists

[sly ruin]

You made an excellent and persuasive argument

If you want something, you should work to earn it

[whole matrix]

But currently we have people that even cannot buy the very basics.
And an equal, Basic income would change that

[whole matrix]

People that cannot!!! find work

[slender beacon]

Work is all around. They should look better then

[sly ruin]

And that's why we believe in adaptability, so that we can find work for everyone

[whole matrix]

I will not, since rules, go into examples why that is not the case in FP as well as our very own society

[still sail]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-club-penguin-club-penguin-dance-skill-issue-gif-24610458

-# This message was sponsored by Mary Marshall

[slender beacon]

Our society is more depressing than FP2 so I never refer to that anyway

[whole matrix]

Adaptability isnt helping tho.
Lending a helping Hand to grant a start does

[slender beacon]

How about they lend a hand by helping at construction/frostbreaking/administrating/producing/planning/overseeing/consulting?

Endless possibilities with cost of hope

[sly ruin]

I like how egalitarians have to invent a fictional character that amounts to nothing more than a vegetable in order to justify the absurdity their thought process believes in

[whole matrix]

Sick>not allowed to work>can't earn income>thus not able to afford healthcare>stays sick>not allowed to work.....

^ this is fact

[sly ruin]

Okay how about this

[whole matrix]

Now imagine having at least a basic aid from the City to get Back to health?

Cicle broken

[sly ruin]

Would you support meritocracy if we created a social safety net for the sick and unable to work?

[whole matrix]

Depends on how that is actually put Up and sustained.

I get a feeling i might not like the way you propose to do it. But thats on another page

AT LEAST I managed to get through to you, or hope i did, in order for you to propose something like this (that i am talking for ages about - actually my main point of argument)

[sly ruin]

It's not another page because this is the direct and specific issue you bring up

[whole matrix]

My opinion is another page. Not the thing in of itself

[sly ruin]

I think your opinion is important

I think you should be able to shape society depending on what you think is right

And I think that should come from a position of fairness

[whole matrix]

Which i can't give you without a rough layout of how you want to tackle the Problem. I have give mine plenty

[sly ruin]

But why would we fight or make up issues when we could instead find common ground between us?

[whole matrix]

I mean i would give M a chance.
Neither joining nor supporting it tho, probably

[sly ruin]

Why would you not?

[whole matrix]

BC We are supposed to oppose each other?

[whole matrix]

A sec

[sly ruin]

So your justification for opposing my position is because you feel you're "supposed" to rather than considering your actual feelings on the matter?

Do you not feel like this cult-like behavior?

[whole matrix]

Excuse the brief dissappearance

I would gladly find a middle ground between us, but as of late your ideas and plans did not find my actual liking.
Nor does it seem my thoughts and ideas seem to have found fruitious ground

[sly ruin]

Why would a social safety net not make you otherwise support merit?

[whole matrix]

I am against a system that has a gap between rich and poor. I do not like the idea of people being born into wealth and looking down on others for not having the same

[sly ruin]

Then it is extremely obvious to me that you have no idea what meritocracy is and are instead speaking purely on blind ignorance

Can you please read the description on the 1% Club?

[whole matrix]

Marketing. This very groups name speaks towards what I just Said. Your broadcasts do, infact

[sly ruin]

Either you're lying, deliberately misinterpreting my words or stupid.

[whole matrix]

Lying about?

[sly ruin]

I have said on the radio show that Meritocracy opposes inherited wealth and the very description of the 1% Club outright says the same

No one is born into wealth under meritocracy

If you believe that I hold that belief then you have not listened to a word I said

So which is it? Lying, deliberate misinterpretation, stupidity or unjustified hate through ignorance?

[whole matrix]

Then call it misinterpretation, but are you not advocating the upholding of a certain upper class, which in my opinion is said gap between rich and poor?

[sly ruin]

Let me make this extremely clear, Mr. Hagner. I urge you to listen very carefully to my words

[whole matrix]

Upholding in this case not only meaning inheriting, but also becoming - by, granted, teaching people to also exploit/use others

[sly ruin]

You came in here to my place of business

You falsely accused my industry of causing people to currently be losing limbs from my practice

You say that Meritocracy is bad because there's no safety net for those who can not work, but when a compromise was offered you shifted the goal post to something else

You then spew the false belief that Meritocrats or The 1% Club believe in inherited wealth, when we have made it abundantly clear on multiple occasions that we do not

And after this inaccurate idea was corrected, you shift the goalpost yet again

You keep producing reasons why Meritocracy is wrong and yet you are still unconvinced after I prove all your ideas wrong

But yet after I prove your words inaccurate, you do not change your mind and come up with reason after reason to reject it

It is evident to me that the reasons you give as to why you oppose Meritocracy are actually completely irrelevant to whether or not you oppose Meritocracy because after those ideas are cleared up you still refuse to shift your perspective

So it makes me wonder why you bring up stuff like that at all if it doesn't change your stance at all

It's almost like the reasons why you claim to not like Meritocracy are more of a public justification to make you pretend as though you're on the right side of history

Why else would you waste your time arguing things that are not the actual reason why you are opposed to merit?

Do you not want to find common ground? Do you not want to unite people together for the betterment of Polaris? Or is your position rather seated in hatred?

Was this conversation started from you because you wanted to learn a differing perspective, or was this started as a vain attempt to "take down the rich?"

Are you on the side of what's best for Polaris, or are you on the side of pushing your own agenda?

[whole matrix]

(is this a beak I am allowed to answer in?)

[sly ruin]

(Yeah lol)

[whole matrix]

Yes, I came to your place of business, to talk (since for whatever reason you have a) no access to our Labourer Channels (granted you are not a Labourer) and we b) have no open channel for Equality - or at least it is not active, if there is (?) <- sole reason that here it is not as mixed and mangled by general talk, as it is in discussions
i actually sought out a place to directly talk/discuss a problem/view

I did not only accused your industry/company, but as well as any other in the city, because of given, noticed and even reported problems.
just because you have not been notified (yet), does not mean the problems do not exist. the rise in injuries, including amputations as well as, comparatively, minor/lesser things are something you cannot ignore. and as of now I do not see why/how Pinne lumber would be a sole exclusion from the 'rule' of having reports coming from all over Polaris.

[sly ruin]

I am not denying there have been amputations. I am stating explicitly that no one has lost a limb on-site in any area owned by Pinne Lumber or the newly formed Pinne Media.

[whole matrix]

may I finish pls?

all of it?

[sly ruin]

(You're more than welcome to, just keep in mind that everytime you state something like that you're directly contradicting Pinne's established character which I OOC do not want. I want his character to be consistent out of respect for the audience to have a cohesive narrative.

When I say Pinne lumber is among the safest places for citizens to work in that field, that means it is and im not interested in shifting the lore at a whim because someone randomly said otherwise in RP)

(If Pinne Lumber is having regular amputations that would mean everywhere else is too at a much higher rate, which is not the direction I think the GMs are taking the story. From the limited information I have using radio posts, there does not seem to be GM approved massive sweeping amputations taking place all across Polaris)

(Anyone who knows me out of character would see that in real life I am extremely passionate about narrative and stories that are rock-solid with no plot holes in them. I really do not want to create inconsistencies with what is already established canon because if I did, there would honestly be no point getting invested in the story. I want to reward people who pay attention to the smaller details, not disappointing them by shifting it without proper reason to do so.)

(This is by no means me trying to downplay your RP or make you feel you lesser than. I am only stating this to help you understand how I treat Pinne and why I'm so particular anything regarding him.

I hope you get where I'm coming from!)

[whole matrix]

(I do. regarding the injuries and lost limbs, this then comes down to having a different view/understanding/interpretation of the posts then.

I am passionate on how I play Peddrik, especially since i do play a lot into my own hand here portraying a person in the medical field, since i do that for a living currently)
Now back to the regular program

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I might have shifted, which I am sorry about.
Yet I did stated two things before that:
it "Depends on how that is actually put Up and sustained."
-> which in turn says, or is supposed to show that it all comes down to execution of said idea - which I am not against. In fact I would like to implement that, since Polaris is in dire need of it

the other is my personal standpoint of not trusting this execution – which I believe in turn made it's way into changing subject

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honest mistake on part of not having read the channel description.
Yet the 'marketing' of the broadcasts and the way it portraits the merital system, is in parts going against my personal believes of having a society that is rooted and upheld by a common and equal ground. Having an upper 10%, 5%, 1%, that, given the nature of humanity, sticks to itself and does not care of others, other then themselves, is not helping.
Not helping the poor, the sick the 24/7 working people. You mentioned on several occasions teaching people to become one of the 1% - yet why not get rid of this system? Why the NEED to elevate, instead of coming back down to everyone else?
And why defamate, demonitize and outright bash Equality/Egalitarism?

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trying to get to the point, sometimes from multiple angles. Which is a flaw in my of doing and argument. Sorry

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you did not prove all my ideas wrong. You presented/present a different narrative and a different opinion. One of which I do not stand behind. One of which i do not believe in. In that our views on things are different and remain as such. The same way as you are not convinced and/or changed by what I say. The only thing that got through to you, in all our discussions we had so far, is the idea of the safety net for people with no secure income and health care.
THIS is the only thing and first time that something like a common ground, a possibilty for working together came up

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I come up with other angles and reasons why I am not convinced and do not feel proven inaccurate. You are budging as little as i am, since you believe in Merit.
And I see no harm in that. Honestly reflecting on this, trying to answer to your wall of arguments and questions, I do realize that what you accuse me off, does in fact also very much count for you:
you are fanatically defending your idea(s) of merit, how that can and will run and safe the city and it's society, that you are (beside one point already mentioned) unable to step away from it.
That you are going against everything that is opposing it.
This directly ties into
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as we both are, funnily enough.

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I actually try to be open for different views and opinions. Always have been.
I think it boils down to two things, why this is not having the effect one would think the outcome would be like:
for one, as mentioned, i do have my stance here and sometimes/most of the times, feel attacked and purposesly being made the 'bad person' for believing in a different way/solution. 'Egalitarians this' and 'Egalitarians that', either in discussions or even in the broadcasts. We are your enemy of the state, the persona non grata.
For the second, I do not feel heard. We as labourers are not heard. And despite the fact that our very own media is focusing on what we notice and see, reacting to our environment and demanding reasonable, mind you, change, you fend for your station. You hold on to merit for dear life.

You are allowed to do so. just allow us as well. And dont make us the scapegoats for the bad in the world – which deep down it (feels like) comes down to.

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this, just very much back at you: It's almost like the reasons why you claim to not like Equality are more of a public justification to make you pretend as though you're on the right side of history
we are on different sides, as of now. There is no right or wrong. Which currently is why 'I waste my time arguing things that are [not] the actual reason why i am opposed to merit?

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I did came here to raise a concern and open a discussion in order to find a solution, because as of now it is more so being a problem for the employees, not so much the employers. Which it will become in the long run when there are no more employees – aka workers, aka Labouers

I would love to unite the city under one banner and have it unified with one goal and a way for everyone. A path each single person can tread next to his neighbour, coworker and the one from the other side of the city.
I simply do not see it your way, that yours is not the path, as it inherently provides creating a gap in society. Because never will there be room for 100% 1%. the 1% will always be the upper 1%. this system can only be toppled by means to make people equal to one another. Despite inheritance, teachings, gender, age and health
thus should make clear, hopefully, that I do infact am for what is best for the city

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[sly ruin]

(The FR post specifically says "steamburns, cuts and lacerations." Amputations are not listed. If it was a massive enough issue that it would effect even the safest extraction districts, I think they would have been mentioned )

[sly ruin]

(What a great megapost hang on)

[whole matrix]

(he does not finish his read tho!)

`Sickness

"But speaking of cold and frostbite, our reports from the medical stations do report a notable rotation of patients recently that only seem to be increasing as the workload being put onto our citizens increase. As many folks come down with... with..."

The man stops for a moment as he reads the report, having to correct his own words.

"These... aren't disease or frostbite reports. Steamburns... cuts, lacerations, weekly report on inju-."`

(this could very much incorporate lost limbs as well, which he notices needs a different column all together.

But sorry I am interrupting your reading :3 )

[sly ruin]

(I think you're reading something into the text that isnt there. Especially when you're trying to force that on Pinne despite my character saying that it wasn’t happening)

[whole matrix]

(different interpretation. but i do hear you, i will tune it down, for lore sake. you are right, always in something something of the accused
@slender beacon schnell, Hilfe: Im Zweifel für den Angeklagten?)

[slender beacon]

(In dubeo pro reo überbrückt meines Wissens nach Sprachbarrieren)

[sly ruin]

1. You're not trusting something without even trying to come up with a bipartisan proposal. You instead blindly, ignorantly and arrogantly take the stance our idea of a safety net will not work despite me introducing it to alleviate your concerns.

If we want to find common ground solutions to our problems, saying "I don't trust your solution" without even hearing what the solution is, is incredibly dishonest on your part and is evidence that you are not actually trying to reach common ground with us but instead trying to push for an unreasonable worldview without compromise

[sly ruin]

2. The broadcasts explicitly take a stance against inherited wealth(see ep2).

I think your words show accurately the difference between meritocracy and egalitarianism. You have literally just stated that you want the rich to come down to everyone else while we want to elevate the bottom to reach the top.

Meritocrats seek to uplift the poor. Egalitarians seek to tear the rich down. I am glad you are honest that your movement is predicated upon destruction, rather than aid.

[sly ruin]

2. Saying that I only presented a different narrative is an outright lie. Saying that The 1% Club supports inherited wealth is an obvious fabrication to anyone willing to do even the smallest amount of research into our movement.

This claim has been proven false on multiple occasions. This is not a matter of perspective. This is false.

[sly ruin]

1. What I did was offer bipartisan solutions to aliviate your concerns and find common ground. What you did was make a multitude of false accusations against our movement.

To say that we are equally resistant to opposing ideas is yet another lie you've chosen to spread here today.

[sly ruin]

3. Merit is not opposed to labour nor is it opposed to equality. The enemy is neither of these things in principle, the enemy rather is tyranny.

Meritocracy is a movement of choice and personal freedom. If you are for these principles then Meritocracy is not opposed to you and you are not an enemy of Meritocracy.

Notice how I do not speak ill of the labourers as I believe a lot of the issues they raise are entirely valid. I speak against the egalitarians. So, the next question is, what is an egalitarian?

An egalitarian is not someone who advocates for the worker. If that was the case, the I would be an egalitarian. An egalitarian is someone who seeks destruction. Egalitarians see some people doing better than others, and wish to tear those people down so that all may suffer together. Rather than attempting to help everyone, they instead seek to make all suffer.

Egalitarians have infiltrated the labourer movement just as the false Meritocrat has infiltrated ours. The difference between us is that we are quick to denounce those individuals while your movement will often support them.

The true meritocrat is extremely supportive of rights for the worker granted through free and fair competition

I would call an egalitarian a radical labourer, but I think that saying egalitarians are in support of labour is wholly inaccurate

[still sail]

-# > just as the false Meritocrat has infiltrated ours
-# Mary Marshall in the corner

[sly ruin]

1. If there is no right or wrong then why defend your position? I see this point made so often by egalitarians and it is used to justify all kinds of atrocities.

If you truly believed there was no right or wrong then why not murder? Why not abuse your spouse if everything was merely a matter of perspective?

This is how egalitarians justify their evil. They say there is no such thing as wrong and then commit acts of evil. This is why the labourers have not denounced the egalitarian. They do not believe in good or bad. We do, and that's why we produce good, because it is good.

There is no need to justify good because doing good is naturally obvious to anyone who isn't completely morally bankrupt. There is no attempt in public justification for the meritocrat. We do it because it is the right thing to do.

[sly ruin]

LOL

[sly ruin]

3. I agree with you completely. The workers have been unfairly treated by corrupt and uncompetitive powers. Meritocracy is against corruption and Meritocracy for competition. Meritocracy is a movement for the worker.

We want to uplift them, we want to make them thrive. That is the goal of our movement. That is why the true Meritocrat can not say that he is against equality, as an aspect of equality is critical to the meritocrat movement, Equal Opportunity.

The 1% Club and its affiliates want every citizen of Polaris to have an equal opportunity in becoming part of the 1% themselves. That is the very foundation of our movement and that is the most important goal that we hope to achieve.

Under an accurate view of meritocracy, no one would be able to rich the 1% by position of birth. Everyone has an equal opportunity to reach that position for themselves if that is the direction they want to take in their life. The upmost priority for the meritocrat is choice and freedom. So too should every citizen have the choice to be rich themselves regardless of whatever their current strata may be

Of course the meritocratic view would create wealth gaps between the richest and poorest citizens, however the movement also requires an extreme degree of class mobility so that anyone has the opportunity to reach any class at any point

Any professing meritocrat who does not believe in class mobility is not a meritocrat at all

[whole matrix]

Cant Debatte on an empty stomach. Will get to you in about 45 min

[gray violet]

What are you making?

[sly ruin]

Egalitarians don't produce, they redistribute

[slender beacon]

He better redistribute this food into my mouth because it looks good

[sly ruin]

LOL

Since there are GMs here, is it possible that one could pin this message for easy access?

[gray violet]

I am incapable of such, sorry

[sly ruin]

Alright thanks anyway I'll just scroll up constantly

[short breach]

Skill issue

[median bridge]

Hello! Yes i mentioned Lost limbs, but id like to clarify that it was an hypotetical situation on a letter sent to Mr. Pinne.

[whole matrix]

(I'm sorry it took me so long to answer, I lost track of a few things, this being one)

Now you are putting words into my mouth. I did not say anything about destruction, ruining people. I said I wanted to have people come down to a common ground.

And yes, while you try to uplift people to a common ground, same principal, different direction, we both now that not everyone will make the way up the stairs. For different reasons. Whereas it is usually easier to come down the stairs.

(as to the rest of the wall of text, I am unable to (re)produce any viable counter arguments, or arguments in general.
I haven't been able to string productive thoughts together aside from the one given answer.

I am sorry to leave that argument 'outside to dry' for so long AND kinda stopping it in it's tracks :/ on a more real note I#m not feelign well either. Sorry, Pinne)

[whole matrix]

it was delicious and served me for 3 days :3

I like meat loaf

[whole matrix]

☝️

(also sorry to all the meriters for kinda bombing the channel then then ducking out :/

[sly ruin]

"I don't want to destroy people to a lower state, I just want to bring people to a lower state"

What you fail to understand is that this is destruction. You want to bring people down, we want to bring people up.

[sly ruin]

Maybe not every single citizen will reach their way up, but does it mean that we shouldn't try as hard as we can with everything we've got? Your group claims to advocate for the poor, and yet you give up on actually aiding them because it's easier to destroy than it is to build up.

We are not concerned with what is easier, we are concerned with what is right. Doing all we can to uplift society is difficult, yes, but it is the right thing to do.

[short breach]

Pinn you gotta promote this

[sly ruin]

YAY

[short breach]

I almost forgot this place

[short breach]

You read the news @sly ruin ?

[sly ruin]

What news

[short breach]

The community will have its own newspaper outlet

[jaunty remnant]

unbelievable, Sinclar you shouldnt align yourself with such uninformed people

[short breach]

I see…

[jaunty remnant]

well when was i not right
-# except the time i told you to stop [REDACTED] Henry

[sly ruin]

I've seen yeah

[short breach]

Would you be interested in a proposition?

[sly ruin]

What proposition?

[short breach]

would you like to establish some cooperation with my independent newspaper outlet?

[sly ruin]

Depends on the cooperation

[short breach]

The newspaper occasionally features content that promotes Edwin Pinne’s radio broadcasts, while he, in turn, endorses my news outlet on-air. At times, we collaborate on special pieces or joint initiatives, though we remain independent entities with a light, mutually beneficial exchange of content.

[sly ruin]

I can make that arrangement

[whole hedge]

Petition to expand the 1% Club

[frail orchid]

petition to END the 1% Club (trad scum)

[lean blade]

wdym trad? Edwin is

[whole matrix]

And Edwin is

[lean blade]

True

[whole matrix]

That is what this channel is for @frail orchid

[lean blade]

He is

[whole matrix]

smh

[whole matrix]

I only despise his

The others are fine

[frail orchid]

I know

But last vote all meritocrat candidates voted for tradition law

Hence trad scum

[lean blade]

That doesn't make's him a trad, you know...

[frail orchid]

I know, but you gotta slander people sometimes

[whole matrix]

All meriters betrayed their however

[jaunty remnant]

-# people vote for the effect not the zeitgeist

[lean blade]

Just curious - are you neutral to / and / ?

[whole matrix]

If there are any besides Pinne

Same as Pinne, but

[lean blade]

There are pretty much (for most) are

So it wasn't really hard to get those votes

[half socket]

venturer detected, opinion neutralized

[lean blade]

Lmao

thank god I'm

[half socket]

figured you were simply

a polarisian

[lean blade]

Yeah, that can work

[worn rune]

all my society allies are meriters and all my economy allies are reasonites 💔

[jaunty remnant]

-# there are >4 besides Pinne

[lean blade]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-meh-whatever-eyebrow-raise-rufus-sewell-gif-15567956

Shame, really

[half socket]

the vs agenda continues

[worn rune]

The legion agenda is really hard to implement this way

[jaunty remnant]

maybe it is you whos in the wrong

[worn rune]

I only have my fellow legion tradchads to count on...

[worn rune]

Nuh uh

[jaunty remnant]

-# all 4 of them

[frail orchid]

+most of technocrats

[whole hedge]

Overseers vs Bohemians

[waxen prairie]

[whole matrix]

I am extending this even to you. if you want to be featured in any way, with an interview, shop or sommin: just ask

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[half socket]

pinapel

[uneven timber]

When the 1% club has 2%'ers

[whole matrix]

I thought I leave this PR gold here

[keen shoal]

[jolly fox]

[slender beacon]

[jolly fox]

Fail RP if you don't appear /j

[keen shoal]

NO

PEDDRIK

[final field]

Hello chat 👀

[keen shoal]

YOU KILLED ME

[slender beacon]

Tf happened?

[jolly fox]

The Labourer event ongoing is all

[jolly fox]

Do you guards even need a reason to hurt innocent workers nowadays /j

Idk jokes aside we are like max tension, a factory just blew up and technically from your pov all you see is a bunch of workers congregating after the fact. You connect the dots as you please lmao.

[whole matrix]

@jolly fox ! Don't give him ideas!

@slender beacon we are merely gathering to help out the citizens of Polaris. just as I wrote you

[slender beacon]

Yeaaaaaaaah.......

[whole matrix]

do you want to turn ur attention back to PR?

[keen shoal]

No

Don’t

[whole matrix]

@keen shoal how about you step ... right ... here

[keen shoal]

DON’T

[slender beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/heert-isb-partagaz-awkward-andor-gif-14005751815542565598

[whole matrix]

love that moment so much

and without ANY sound it is even better

[keen shoal]

Am I dead or

I’ve yet to watch it so I don’t know

[whole matrix]

I need a guard at the memorial soon-ish i fear 0.0

[slender beacon]

Ping Eric

[woeful nymph]

am I late

[whole matrix]

You were not. I had pinged you. But you were just one, and thus inefficient. And well you also got a Blow, so

[jolly fox]

Mans got hit so hard by Frank he forgot he was even there lmao

https://tenor.com/view/batman-dc-bane-punch-arkham-origins-gif-7134661763821474970

[whole matrix]

Damn, Frank, control yerself a bit, will ya?

punching Eric back in time smh

[vapid flint]

What’s this club

[slender beacon]

-# Dead

[whole matrix]

read the description at the top

[vapid flint]

I can’t read

-# jk

[lean blade]

@sly ruin We still wait for your triumphant return...

[sly ruin]

That is awesome to hear that it's made such an impact. Currently, I'm not really sure how much I want to continue.

If people care enough as to my whereabouts ||I recently graduated college and I am trying to make a game on my own before submitting myself to the corporate machine. It seems irresponsible for me to continue fun but very time consuming processes such as this when I'm already working less than I'd ideally like to.||

I think it'd awesome that you still care about Edwin, I really care about Edwin too

[jolly fox]

No worries, real life comes before fake ones ofc. Wishing you luck in the future and appreciate what you brought to the server and rp

[autumn arch]

Hey everyone! I'm Summer, or better known as Ruth (The Radio Show Funnifier).

I am also a student in the sociology and criminal justice department at Pacific Lutheran University. I am conducting research for my Senior Capstone Project about Roleplay within the Frost Radio Community. The purpose of the research is to understand how people describe and explain both their real life social identities and the social identities of the characters they’ve crafted for roleplay purposes.

Because this project is not intended to be generalizable, will not be published, and will only be shared at our department capstone presentations, it has been labeled classroom research and has not undergone HPRB approval.

Your participation would involve interviewing and will last 30-45 minutes. This research has minimal anticipated risks. Possible risks could be emotional harm, as we will be discussing your social identities, and this can be triggering possibly. I will avoid this by giving you time or space as needed, to avoid harming your emotional well-being. I also will avoid invading your privacy by providing you with a pseudonym in my writing specifically, and the data itself will be stored in a google document that only myself and my professors will have access to. I will dispose of all data and recordings by June of 2026, and I will remove access to the documents. This research has no significant benefits to you as a participant, although you will be expanding the knowledge of myself and other researchers in regards to the roleplay community and their real and created identities.

Your identity or personal information will not be disclosed in any paper or presentation of the data.

If you're interested in participating in an interview, please feel free to DM me and we can get it sorted :)

[lean blade]

.

[autumn arch]

I need 4 more people

🥺

[autumn arch]

3 more

[vapid flint]

bahhhh