SMB: The Missing Lands

[round moth]

that's fair, i just feel like the sand is too bright for what's seemingly a dark underground tomb

i managed to make this somehow

[untold sleet]

Damn, that looks awesome

If you make slopes and ground corners like it's shown in my picture I might actually consider using this

[round moth]

honestly, maybe it's better if i try to recontextualize this as those beach rocks i promised to make

[languid grove]

@untold sleet use this

you would have then alternate desert tileset for other levels

[untold sleet]

....

[languid grove]

i would just expand it

[languid grove]

i read that @untold sleet

[untold sleet]

Stop pinging me

[languid grove]

@Mr-

[untold sleet]

And if you're gonna ask me to use something please say it in a nicer and less entitled way

[languid grove]

was it rude??

[untold sleet]

When you say it that way it sounds like you're demanding me to use it

It'd sound better if you said "you should consider using this" or maybe "please use this" even

[languid grove]

ah i see

for me it sounds normal

[untold sleet]

Maybe it's just the way I interpret it, idk

But yeah, I'd like to use it, so @round moth if you're gonna make progress on this let me know

[round moth]

gotcha

do you want it to be a desert tile like originally intended or should i change it for a different theme

[untold sleet]

I think it fits better for a desert tbh

[round moth]

yeah you're right

[round moth]

@untold sleet

how's this?

[languid grove]

very good

i forgot to mention @round moth but if you were to make the ground more softer would've been very great

it looks very good rn but i'd fit even more if the ground wasn't as rough

[round moth]

like the rocks?

[languid grove]

yup

[round moth]

i don't feel like it rn tbh

if you wanna take a crack at it yourself, feel free

[languid grove]

sure, send me the file later

ill try it when ill come back from cinema

[round moth]

what i posted is literally everything i made

[untold sleet]

Very nice, I like it

[languid grove]

i meant actual png file of it

[round moth]

on second thought, maybe don't use these tiles, not out of selfishness but because i feel that these won't be graphically consistent with everything else, since you are the one making most of the sprites here

you are free to edit them to your heart's desire though

[untold sleet]

Just because Afterlight is making all the graphics for the mod doesn't mean that graphics created by someone else won't be consistent; to me, this tileset is close enough to the original NSMB style, it just needs a few tweaks here and there, don't put down your own creation like that

[round moth]

well thank you, i'm quite a rookie at this though, i'm not ever using prerendering as i originally thought i would to pursue making these (mostly because prerendering is a pain)

also i think i could do better, right now, im just experimenting

[languid grove]

this this this this!

[languid grove]

Exactly, for me it was perfect since the original game isn't concistent sometimes either lmao, and what you made was already very good but it needed just softer rocks, something like i did. Since i'm the main artist of zstar's hack, if someone else would make a tileset like you, i'd either tweak it out myself while keeping everything as original person made, or tell that person this and that and perfect

The thing i could tell you right now, in case or slopes especially, try make the "bumps" wider like the other slope or normal groud.
And other thing is making more tiles for normal ground but with some variation, in my case i do atleast 2 tile high (not including corners) and 3 tile wide atleast

-# zstar, please if this beatiful tileset would've been ever finished, use this for underground levels, would've been perfect for the overall desert world rather recoloured underground tileset being used

[untold sleet]

I'll think about it

World 2 doesn't really have any underground levels (the temple level doesn't count), the only underground areas in world 2 are bonus rooms

[round moth]

by "finished", what exactly are you looking for?

[languid grove]

every tile that is needed and somekind of decorations fitting overall desert theme

[round moth]

could you elaborate further please? perhaps even provide a template?

i don't mean to be judgy, i just want clarity

[languid grove]

the every tile needed is the thing mentioned here, also corners inside of rocks and i guess that's it regarding the needed ones, regarding decorations, whatever thing that you think could fit into this tileset, could've been new ones or reused from previous tileset

[untold sleet]

I'm not gonna add any decorations to this ground, I'm only using this in the Mummy-Pokey battle arena as I stated previously

I don't even think I have enough tileset slots to warrant having a third desert tileset

[tranquil thicket]

76 tileset slots is enough to have like 95% percent of a tileset each level

[languid grove]

I agree

[untold sleet]

I mean, yes, but I don't need that many tilesets 😭

[languid grove]

BRO

[untold sleet]

I prefer focusing on the other themes before even considering making alternate tilesets for each theme

[languid grove]

GET OUT

Does somebody know any water plants or decoration ideas for underwater tileset i want to work on again?

it could've help me do it faster

[untold sleet]

I can maybe give you some examples later, I'm gonna hop on a VC with some friends

[tranquil thicket]

anenomir

anenomie

[languid grove]

I love it, it's so scary for me but i'll definitely add this in someway

[languid grove]

have fun

[untold sleet]

Irrelevant, but I think I'm gonna upload a random short to my channel because I don't like having my channel dead

[languid grove]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-fast-sped-up-gif-14118322218505913859

[languid grove]

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i need to redesign this pattern slightly

[outer schooner]

Finally new NSMB underwater tileset

Underwater levels have the least custom stuff

[austere elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/really-though-justin-timberlake-rtype00-stare-i-wonder-why-gif-17034040

[outer schooner]

I know, I know, but a lit bit wouldnt hurt

Making underwater levels intersting is an underrated skill

[untold sleet]

I've made like 4 underwater levels in my hack and only one of them is actually interesting

I'm just really bad at designing underwater levels

[austere elbow]

There are some really great water levels in NSMB.

[outer schooner]

Is anyone even good at it?

[untold sleet]

Idk because I haven't seen anyone else make underwater levels in their hacks

People hate those kind of levels that much

[outer schooner]

Ill only have an underwater section

not a whole level

[languid grove]

There is a solution!

Steal levels

i think donkey kong on 64 had cool undrwater levels

i liked crash bandicoot ones as well so you could get some inspo for level design

[untold sleet]

If you send me some videos in my DM's I might take them as inspiration

[languid grove]

Alr

I'll send every video game i remember that i liked and had underwater levels

[round moth]

honestly i just think mario needs to be able to move faster

i think everyone hates underwater levels because the player always moves slowly, and people have been coddled to moving fast all the time

so the change of pace hits them like a brick wall

i find it ironic that underwater levels, which give you complete freedom from gravity, are universally hated by everyone

unless it's like mega man where you just jump higher underwater

[languid grove]

new ground, it will be improved still

[untold sleet]

Random bonus room I made in 2 hours

[languid grove]

oh right, i still need to improve this tileset 🫩

LUIGI

[untold sleet]

Afterlight, sometimes I wish you gave more feedback on the level itself instead of focusing on the tileset only 😭

[austere elbow]

Fire Mario Kart song!

[languid grove]

Im not a level designer 😭 I can mainly point out tile errors or very noticable bad design part if there is

i'll be like jpg

OMG, LOVE IT 🔥 🔥 🔥

but honestly i like it, it's very full and not boring

just put fences a bit less lmao

[untold sleet]

Valid then

Sometimes I'm not fully proud of my own level design, so that's why I'd like people to give detailed feedback more often instead of only saying "looks good"

Is it too hard? Too long? Too boring? The decorations are too distracting? Things like that

[fervent oar]

I love your levels, they look fun

:3

[tranquil thicket]

admittedly i think theres only so much you can judge about a level from a video

actually outta curiosity do you have any playtesters ztar

[untold sleet]

I have one, but it's been a very long since he last tested the hack or I sent him a new patch

I'm not a fan of letting just anyone test my ROM, if someone wants to play-test the hack, they need to be genuinely willing to find bugs or issues that affect the gameplay or the quality of the hack, a lot of people say they want to beta-test the game, but what they really want is to play the hack as soon as possible

[tranquil thicket]

true

i think if youre looking for more in depth feedback might help to find some tho

[untold sleet]

The problem is that I don't know if anyone in this community would be willing to spend their time playing through every level carefully and give detailed feedback, there's a few people I would gladly trust my ROM, but I must admit my expectations for beta-testers are a little too high

[tranquil thicket]

have you checked any of the other nsmb game modding scenes? or dya not know anyone there well enough to wanna let them play test

[untold sleet]

-# I don't think anyone from the other NSMB modding scenes would want to play a DS hack considering some of them dislike our community

[tranquil thicket]

well at least youd know they wont hold back with critiqur

[untold sleet]

True

I think I'll simply contact a couple of people from this server via DM for beta-testing when I have enough levels done

My constant desire to perfect my level design is destroying me without me even realizing it

[tranquil thicket]

if its someone you know who also needs playtesting you cpuld also offer to test their hack for them

like a critique exchange

[untold sleet]

I mean, I'd gladly test anyone's hack if they asked me, I have no problem in doing that

[languid grove]

We can see

[tranquil thicket]

-my homunculus army when i give them eyes