NSMB: The Rainbow Quest

[wary frost]

yeah the snake blocks are too buggy :p

it suckss

[lapis bough]

okay so, very weird bug: the game just crashes when dying for some reason??

in 4-Tower specifically?

yeah doesn't happen on 4-1 either

weird didn't happen this time

okay so it only happens when dying from a pit it seems (which can happen because of camera bounds). very weird

yeah... no idea why it happens

[wary frost]

ehh tired from working on the lvl for todayy

too much problems... why didn't i start with a more simple level... 😭

2nd half should be fine, but whyyy are the features sooo buggyyy... 😭

[lapis bough]

uhh also happens when you return to worldmap???

it seems to be a ram overload bug or something. but it's weird, there aren't even that many objects in the level

[wary frost]

weirdd

[lapis bough]

wait it could be the amount of chunks with stuff in them. lemme test smth

still happens... so weird

well there goes the motivation for the hack today...

[lapis bough]

there's a serious problem with the hack for some reason

trying to play levels on real hardware, and some melonds versions (not fully sure, haven't tried in some time), crashes for some reason

and now it also crashes when dying or leaving the level, sometimes in 4-Tower (seems to be at a specific spot)

could this be some sort of ram overflow or something? no idea

i genuinely need help with that please

[maiden leaf]

If you don't mind sending me your source code, I can take a look at it and do some debugging

Hope it's not my code that's the problem lol

[lapis bough]

okay i'll try sending it later today

[zinc rivet]

Nah ur code is good

[lapis bough]

for some reason i feel like there's a chance the "song heap increase" code hack could be responsible

[maiden leaf]

Thanks but I still make mistakes

[blissful pulsar]

that’s one of the code hacks that makes mvsl not work in flower journey

u should definetely test

[lapis bough]

rip some of the songs then. luckily i know how to sseq now

[zinc rivet]

That code crashed my rom once

I think i still have it, but its a very problematic code hack

[lapis bough]

makes sense

since it messes with ram stuff

not sure if it explains the 4-Tower crash tho, because this level uses nwavs. tho it could also be the case

[lone jetty]

I genuinely don't understand why that code hack is causing problems for y'all, I've never had any issues with it and I'm 100% sure that I implemented that code hack in my MvsL hack too

[lapis bough]

WHY the hell is discord taking too long to start on pc??

i just wanna showcase a small thing

finally...

here!! feel free to give some feedback please

[zinc rivet]

Sounds good!

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[lapis bough]

i may try to convert it into an sseq tomorrow. should be easy tho because all sounds are from the same soundbank

cant believe i've been playtesting with an older, less accurate, melonds version for a while

realizing now because i've downloaded the most recent version (while the other one was a few years old)

also, removing the "sound heap increase" code hack doesn't solve the crash

[lapis bough]

i'll give it to you in dms rn

[lapis bough]

i'm not (or was not) fully sure about this. what do y'all think? and what do you think should be improved/changed?

[zinc rivet]

OOOOO SOUNDS GOOD!!

[lapis bough]

wow thanks!!

(i didn't make the midi obviously)

i think i should reduce the volume of some instruments

[lapis bough]

why does this (with slight improvements) sound good in lmms but kinda sounds like crap in nitro studio...

[lapis bough]

seems to sound better in-game than in nitro studio but i'm not sure

[lapis bough]

seems to sound pretty good in-game, except maybe for some parts. but not as good as in lmms

sounds like crap in nitro studio tho

[lone jetty]

In MelonDS and real hardware, the song will sound exactly the same as it sounds in NitroStudio, DeSmuME doesn't emulate music accurately

[lapis bough]

i actually tried in melonds

[lone jetty]

Some instruments tend to sound really crappy when they're very low pitched, that might be why

[lapis bough]

and it sounds different than in nitro studio

[lapis bough]

yeah seems to be why. low pitched or high pitched

i also feel like having several instruments play at once doesn't help (they probably contribute to the music sounding worse)

[lapis bough]

this tho sounds good both in-game and in nitro studio, but is a bit too quiet, even after increasing the volume of both the channels and some notes in lmms (you can't go above 127 in volume in nitro studio)

[lone jetty]

Usually when you have too many instruments playing at once, some of them will get muted at times in NitroStudio, but that shouldn't happen in game, that's just a NitroStudio issue

[lapis bough]

oh so that's probably why it sounds worse in nitro studio

[lone jetty]

Also, if you want to turn up the volume of the tracks even more, you can open the track in the piano roll editor from LMMS, select all the notes, and move these lines up, this will increase the volume of the notes

[lapis bough]

yeah that's what i did (also the whole channel), but they still sound pretty quiet

i'll try increasing the volume even more i guess

[lone jetty]

If you increase the whole channel volume to the maximum, it won't have any effect in the output midi, the channels volume can't go higher than 100

[lapis bough]

oh okay

world 8 music sounds like this in-game

[zinc rivet]

Oooooo cool!!!

[blissful pulsar]

piranhazilla

[lapis bough]

lmao

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

i'm not fully sure about it tho, and sometimes the high pitched notes decide to not sound very good

[zinc rivet]

LMFAO

YO WAIT

BESTER

YOU ACIDENTALLY MADE A REFERENCE

FOR THIS WORLD BOSS

[lapis bough]

lmao true 😭

i noticed it a few seconds before you said it

[lapis bough]

should i fix it tho?

[rapid abyss]

damn this Is cool af

[lapis bough]

here's the 4-Tower crash with the crash debugger, in case it helps (also crashes on desmume so the issue might be different than the other one)

wait it seems to be solved somehow? my guess is that there were "too many" elements (or more like "heavy" elements) at this spot in the level, because i removed some things

[lapis bough]

uhh nevermind...

still crashes in some places unfortunately

Ninetie made more of the level and at some point when dying the game crashes again

[wary frost]

uhh why does it still not work...

[lapis bough]

if i had to guess, i would say that it's because there's too much for the ds to handle, but i'm not sure

[zinc rivet]

Whats happening btw

[wary frost]

uhh??

[wary frost]

it keeps crashing after dying for some reasonn???

[lapis bough]

yeah it's weird

[zinc rivet]

Oh wait yea, it theres too much actors in a level, the game crashes when teleporting/warping or dying

Show a pic of the level (if possible ofc)

[wary frost]

i didn't place a lot of objects tho...

[zinc rivet]

I had this problem in 2-train becuase of the weels

[zinc rivet]

Oh i see

Weird 🤔

Theres any custom actor in the level?

Or a boss spriteset enabled

[lapis bough]

maybe it's because of the kind of objects you used. piranha plants which are 3d models, with snake blocks that use paths, and stone blocks which (even if they look 2d) are rendered with the 3d engine

[wary frost]

uhh

so should i change them orr???

[lapis bough]

i'm guessing probably

[zinc rivet]

Do this

Export the level

Create a test level with a hole

And jump in it

If the game dont crahses

It was the objects

[lapis bough]

i also feel like maybe the game loads stuff differently with vertical levels

[zinc rivet]

Remember to delete everything from the level, But export it as a backup

[lapis bough]

it only crashes sometimes, and seems to depend on where you die

[zinc rivet]

Hmm i see

[lapis bough]

if you die at the beginning for example, it works fine

[zinc rivet]

Then yea thats it ig

Its actor loading

[wary frost]

crapp...

[zinc rivet]

At least it seens to be

[wary frost]

do i have a curse orr???

[zinc rivet]

Nah this is nsmb fault

[wary frost]

the first level i work on already has problems 😭

[lapis bough]

yeah i guess you got unlucky

[wary frost]

😭

soo

what should i do then? scrap the level or?

[zinc rivet]

Change the actors ig

[lapis bough]

i guess we could try removing the stone blocks and changing the sprite sets, to see if the game handles it

[zinc rivet]

Nah its just cuz she probably didn't knew about the limitations

[lapis bough]

tho you'd have to change the sections that rely on the stone blocks

[lapis bough]

tbf the same thing would have happened to me

[zinc rivet]

First remove the blocks only to see

[zinc rivet]

Cuz if it still crashes then its the snakeblock/piranha plant

But yea those blocks are a bit bad to work with

[lapis bough]

the snake blocks?

[wary frost]

why did i choose complicated elements for my first level 😭😭

[zinc rivet]

The Stone ones

Theyre not hard, but problematic, i worded wrong lol 😭

[lapis bough]

oh, you mean they cause issues easily?

[wary frost]

the snake blocks are HELL

[zinc rivet]

Yea

[lapis bough]

true 😭

they're so limited

[lapis bough]

okay then

[zinc rivet]

Snake blocks are hard to work because of paths

[lapis bough]

they start breaking even with paths

[zinc rivet]

Yea

[lapis bough]

if their first direction is not right, they break, which is very limiting

[zinc rivet]

Cant forget when i placed a snake block and paths, but when i jumped im it fell down

[wary frost]

uhh i think i'm cursed

still crashes...

[lapis bough]

at this point i'll make an #1019787889472712795 post

maybe trying the spritesets?

[wary frost]

uh yeah forgot the sprite sets

YOOOOOOOOOOO

tysmmm JPG64

and Rainie ofc

[lapis bough]

kinda my fault for this one i think, i never remove sprite sets, only change the ones i need

sorry

[wary frost]

nah it's okayy

[zinc rivet]

Yw! ^^

[lone jetty]

Just to check, are you sure the levels aren't crashing because of a code hack? Because it's not very normal to me that many of your levels crash too often

[lapis bough]

this one had a very different issue that was unique to this level. it also crashed on desmume, while the crash that occurs in all levels only happens in melonds or real hardware

also the problem was solved by changing the sprite sets (setting the unused sprite sets to 0). we tried dying in the same spots that used to cause a crash and they don't anymore

[lone jetty]

Weird, that shouldn't be supposed to happen

[lapis bough]

well it did solve the issue sooo

also there were like 5 unused sprite sets

(by unused i mean the sprites were not used/going to be used for the level)

[lapis bough]

new deco graphics on the w1 map!

[zinc rivet]

OOOOO COOL!!

SO CUTEEEEE

🥺

[lapis bough]

yess!!

thanks!!

[half vector]

OOOOOOH, SUPER COOL!

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[zinc rivet]

Btw how w2 look

[half vector]

Tho I feel like the hills might be suffering because they are conscious

The hills have eyes theory

[zinc rivet]

Nah lmfao

[lapis bough]

i mean it is the case in smw

[half vector]

And smb3

[zinc rivet]

Theyre fake eyes

[lapis bough]

no i mean in one of the end of castle cutscenes

[lone jetty]

The worldmap looks great

[zinc rivet]

Fr

[lone jetty]

Tho, have you tried using Nitro Paint for editing its textures? Asking this since the skybox looks compressed as hell

[lapis bough]

only for the recently imported one

[lapis bough]

actually not exactly
(with timestamp)
https://youtu.be/cCK0WwUVl48?t=1m16s

[sour kettle]

outta curiosity howd the old one look

for comparison

[lapis bough]

(older screenshots)

what was changed today are the bushes, fences, and flowers

[zinc rivet]

What alt is for

[lapis bough]

alternate levels

[sour kettle]

ah gotcha

[sour kettle]

nice

[zinc rivet]

Ohhh

[lapis bough]

oh also the node points. not fully sure about this change but i used JPG64's rather than the ones from newerds

[trim palm]

Wii is the level name ui in the centre?

[lapis bough]

what?

[sour kettle]

do you mean Why

[trim palm]

I did

idk how that one happened 💀

[lapis bough]

oh 😭

well idk, i felt like it could be nice, so i wanted to try. not sure if i should revert it back tho

[rapid abyss]

damn this model lacks of vertex colours lol

[zinc rivet]

It was made in sketchup

[trim palm]

I'd say it looked better in the corner

[maiden leaf]

from this crash data it looks like it's crashing when trying to initialize the touchpad???

except that function should only be called when the game starts so idk

I don't trust this code at all

does it even work?

it's replacing data (that should just be a number) with asm

[sour kettle]

outta curiosity whas tge code supposed to do

[zinc rivet]

Castle to airship

Ig

[blissful pulsar]

how so? does it just change the file id that gets loaded?

could use illy's code in that case if so

[zinc rivet]

Yea i think it does

[maiden leaf]

it shouldn't work though

[rapid abyss]

@lapis bough could you send me nsbmd of it?

[lapis bough]

it's fixed. the problem was the sprite set

[lapis bough]

i think it was made by Illy? pretty sure it does work in world 3 rn, haven't changed the values for the other stuff

[lapis bough]

later. tho i should probably remake that model at some point

[rapid abyss]

i can do it for you if you want

with custom textures too

[lapis bough]

also forgot to say. it was made in sketchup, and i had a lot of difficulty converting it (i had to use another software rather than blender and the "normal" method)

it just wouldn't work when imported in blender, and i also couldn't model it in blender because i'm not great at 3d modeling

[near elk]

yo these look sick

[lapis bough]

that's the old screenshots. a bit above are the more recent ones

thanks tho

[near elk]

Ooooooo

these look even better :0

great work !

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[lime lava]

incroyable

[lapis bough]

merci!!

[lime lava]

:D

[lapis bough]

in vacation so no progress for a few weeks

(kinda sorry for bumping the thread i guess)

btw 4-Tower is about half-done

and since we talked about waterfalls, and that this is one of the gimmicks of 3-3, i think it might be nice to discuss the way they will be implemented

so since the level pretty much relies on them, i think they should remain swimmable. at the same time it could be nice to have some non-swimmable ones as deco. and to differentiate them, it could probably be nice to make them appear below the player and make them (more?) transparent

wait i got an idea on how to possibly implement it. see how in Sonic, to simulate transparency, the waterfalls have some sort of transparent columns? maybe doing something like that could work, for both the swimmable and non-swimmable tiles. but for the ones that are swimmable, they could have an actor going in front of the player (higher z-layer) which has every other column that the tiles have (making it appear opaque, but with only half of the columns appearing in front of the player)

what do y'all think?

[neon talon]

If you want something to be stylized as transparent just erase 50% of it in a checkerboard pattern

[lapis bough]

that could also work i guess

[lone jetty]

You should not be sorry for bumping your own thread, lol

[sour kettle]

also its only a bump if it doesnt contribute anything meaningful

[lapis bough]

more like sorry if anyone expected actual progress

[near elk]

:c

[zinc rivet]

Could u send the sdats in my dm? Im extracting some from roms but its a really annoying process

[rapid abyss]

JPG

LEAVE

YOU COULDVE REDIRECT THE MESSAGE

https://tenor.com/view/trevor-phillips-yelling-convention-destiniwithani-gif-2126195030437881689

[lapis bough]

sheetposting on my thread i see...
(/lh)

[rapid abyss]

IM COMPLAINING

[lone jetty]

JPG's fault for ping replying me for a message from two months ago

[lapis bough]

i guess

anyway since i'm still stuck on that stupid "trip", there's still no progress on the hack

[lapis bough]

not very useful "bump" but

i think this is gonna be the airship theme of the hack
https://youtu.be/-MYzyaZ1GXU

i think it's better than reusing the nsmbwii theme, and i like this one too so

[zinc rivet]

I like this song

[lapis bough]

yes same

and Cloudie agreed that it could fit both as a castle theme and as an airship theme

(tho we're keeping the original castle theme because it just sounds so good)

[zinc rivet]

Wait true this is good for airsbip

Airship*

[lapis bough]

yea that's why we thought it would be a nice choice

[lapis bough]

LET'S FREAKING GO!!!

i solved the crash on real hardware/melonds that would happen whenever the player enters a level

the crash was caused by Skawo's "clones die individually" code hack. removing it (from the source folder then compile) fixes it

unfortunately, this was (along with the other clone fix) the code hack i was relying on for the double cherry "custom powerup" (which would basically just be spawning another mario/luigi clone with the actor spawner), so i don't think we'll see it in the hack sadly

if somehow the code gets fixed to work on real hardware with ncpatcher (it worked fine in the old template it seems), then maybe the double cherry "powerup" could still be done in the hack. but for now at least the real hardware crash is fixed

[zinc rivet]

Why dont u request a more stable version of this code? Since its skawo code, and we shouldnt trust it very much

[lapis bough]

yeah true

tho i already have 2 very old uncompleted requests already so i would probably have to close them first
-# the fact that there are 2 open at once shows how much they've been forgotten

[zinc rivet]

Iirc i have some old open threads too, i didn't closed then cuz some already got done after, and some i just dont really care about anymore, i just didn't closed the eerie actor thread cuz i kinda want it still too, iirc one of the stuff u asked was those endless earth like cutsceened

[lapis bough]

yes

the other one were resizeable lifts on tracks, but i think i might as well suggest directly why these are for, instead of doing some sort of composite kind of thing

[zinc rivet]

I plan requesting this for ssmb later too, if it gets finished i share with u

[lapis bough]

okay then. thanks

[zinc rivet]

Yw! ^^

[lapis bough]

also i might ask you specifically to do a request later (a 3d model and probably animations)

[zinc rivet]

Oooo yea i remember this one

[zinc rivet]

Oki! I can do any model or animation stuff u want, just ask for it ^^

[lapis bough]

the reason why i asked for this was actually so i could do some sort of ||bone coaster, like in nsmbwii/u||. since they're made of small platforms (which could be recreated with a retexture code hack that is already patched), what i needed was the ability to place the resized platforms on tracks

but since it seems to be a bit complicated, might as well probably make it into its own track-controlled actor (also because i would be forced to make the player spawn on the lift right away from a pipe if i want all of them to start moving at once, by making them move automatically)

[lapis bough]

okay so i had a new idea for a phase of the final boss, probably the last phase (because by logic it should be last, it'll make sense when i'll explain it)

[near elk]

well are you gonna tell us or what 😭

[lapis bough]

sorry i was in another thread

[near elk]

ye I saw

its ok

dw lol

[lapis bough]

okay so this was the lore + first 2 final boss phases

[near elk]

wtf there's lore ???

[lapis bough]

I'll re-explain the 2nd phase and then explain the 3rd new one

[lapis bough]

yes!!

[near elk]

damn it's good !

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[near elk]

yw ;3

[rapid abyss]

can someone do tl;dr of this conversation 😭

[lapis bough]

1st phase:
It's pretty much just the vanilla game's final boss. You fight Bowser and Bowser Jr., and killing them is optional because you have to press the switch.

But when you press it, you release the 8th and last Rainbow Star... or at least that's what you think. The cage opens from below, but instead of the star slowly going down, it's the cage that falls down on Mario and Luigi (only one of them in-game most likely. both in the cutscene).

Then a cutscene plays where Bowser snatches all the 8 Rainbow Stars from the Mario brothers, to... possess them all I guess? But these stars have a far too large power, especially when reunited together, and can become very unstable. The foolish Bowser is once again playing with forces he cannot control. (just like in Color Splash for example), And the fabric of reality starts to break apart.

[lone jetty]

Dawg, it's just like 10 messages, lol

[rapid abyss]

me when dyslexia

[lapis bough]

I was actually confused and thought you were talking about what I was typing because it's long text

anyway i'll finish writing the second phase

[zinc rivet]

Oh btw u said u would try to fix a crash on smth, if its not the one u fixed yesterday, here's a reminder ^^

[lapis bough]

it was the one i fixed yesterday, but thanks for the reminder!!

^-^

[lapis bough]

2nd phase:
Bowser has become far too powerful (and huge), but at the same time loses complete control of himself. The 2nd phase of the fight starts.

Bowser's Endless Tower shatters as Bowser got all this seemingly unlimited energy. Debris fly around in multiple directions, while we can see the background of Bowser's Mines (World 8). Mario/Luigi has to jump from platform to platform, while avoiding Bowser's fireballs and claws (realistically the claws would be very complicated to do in a custom bossfight tho). The player has to go left, to reach the first Star Fragment, which also deals damage to Bowser.

Since these Rainbow Stars are both incredibly powerful and unstable, touching that fragment teleports both Mario/Luigi and Bowser to World 7. The player has then once again to collect another Star Fragment. This repeats for each world, becoming increasingly difficult and destroyed, until arriving at World 1, where the player collects the 8th star fragment. (not sure if the fragments end up forming one/two full stars though, or not at all)

[near elk]

damn this sounds like Sonic lore

but Yoshis island

[zinc rivet]

Sounds nice!!

[near elk]

it sure does

[lapis bough]

3rd phase:
This one is inspired by the "Mario running for his life" because of Illy making it in her hack.

After Mario/Luigi attacks Bowser with the 8th Star Fragment, Bowser gets defeated and loses the Rainbow Stars. However, the stars are still in a very unstable state, especially after launching fragments at them (well, at Bowser, but you get the idea). So the Rainbow Stars continue their unstable shenanigans, this time to the point of literally destroying reality as a whole.

This is when Mario/Luigi has to run for his life (pun intended), as the black void advances to the right. The player is now either in World 1 or World 8 (not sure yet, could also be random), with some enemies (btw forgot to say that the previous phase has a few enemies too), and has to collect the 8 Rainbow Stars spread across the area, without missing any.

If the player fails to collect all the Rainbow Stars, the black void inevitably reaches the player, since it becomes increasingly faster. (or the player doesn't go fast enough and dies from the black void)

If the player collects all 8 Rainbow Stars, everything freezes and the screen fades to white. A cutscene (probably, not sure yet) plays, showing Mario and Luigi recovering the stars, and holding them, to restore what has been destroyed. They then return to their respective kingdom, separate so their huge unstable power never get reunited ever again.

See lore for slightly more details i guess. Also I feel like the ending is kinda lackluster, so I (or we) might add more details later

Oh wait, new idea for the cutscene:

Mario and Luigi get too exhausted to be able to run further, and hold the Rainbow Stars in desperation, to the point of crying, while facing the black void. At this moment, when all hope is lost, the stars' shine brightens, and the black void stops right at the two brothers' feet, while they were unable to open their eyes in what they thought was their last moments.

After a few seconds, realizing that, to their surprise, the void hasn't consumed them, they, one brother after the other, open their eyes. With relief in their eyes, they notice that the black void is slowly moving backwards, retrieving everything it had consumed. It seemed like the Rainbow Stars felt the brothers' desperate cries, and obeyed to the wish of their holders at this precise moment.

Then the rest of the cutscenes play where everything gets restored and everyone is happy and all of that.

[lapis bough]

honestly i'm kinda proud of that cutscene idea. like it has that bit of suspense at the beginning of it which fits as a continuity of the fight i think

[near elk]

damn thats so peak for a NSMB hack XD

great job !

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[sour kettle]

sounds cinematic

tho can i give critique

[lapis bough]

sure

[lapis bough]

also thanks!!

[sour kettle]

i feel like having effectively a quicktime event (that is, having to collect all 8 stars in one go) during the 3rd phase of the boss can feel somewhat punishing if you fail

being as youll have to do phases 1 and 2 again to get another shot at it

[lapis bough]

yeah... that's true

maybe putting checkpoints or something could work better, but i'm kinda afraid that doing so will make the whole fight too easy

[lapis bough]

kinda wanna make a custom sub nohara with extra stuff

i have planned some things already

most likely using the nsmbu sub nohara (more vibrant colors and a "sharper" look imo, which i like a bit more and would probably fit the rest of the hack more)

and adding stuff like blue pipes and diagonal pipes (like in smw)

not sure if i can fit anything else tho. making all of this fit already seems a bit challenging and would require some optimization

[trim palm]

But the flag 😭

[lapis bough]

what flag 😭

oh you mean the flagpole? yeah it'll be included ofc

the base will be the one from nsmbu, while the pole itself will be the one from meromero's nsmbwii sub nohara v2

[trim palm]

The one on the fortress

[lapis bough]

it's removed

most custom jyotyu tilesets remove it to reuse the tiles for other stuff instead

and it wouldn't fit the castle's shape (it would still be visible)

[trim palm]

RIP to a real one

[lapis bough]

it wasn't there in TRQ to begin with tho

i used meromero's patch as a base, which included the custom Wii jyotyu which didn't have the flag

[trim palm]

DS fortress needs some more love

[lapis bough]

true

actually my initial idea was to reuse the original end-of-level castle + making a gray variant (for secret exits) but i also kinda wanna do the nsmbu one

[trim palm]

What do people even tend to have to use the extra model tiles for

[lapis bough]

secret exit walls variation is the main use

then depending on the tileset, it can be for tiles with snow, or even for other stuff such as custom pipe colors (which Illy did and the idea i'm gonna copy)

so yeah usually for stuff that gets more use

[trim palm]

How do those custom pipe colours work with the mega mushroom 🤔

[lapis bough]

they just don't break

and in TRQ the mega mushroom is most likely only gonna be used in some restricted areas that are designed for it, just like nsmb2

[trim palm]

oh

Ig that also frees up all those broken pipe tiles then?

[lapis bough]

no it doesn't

[zinc rivet]

The broken pipe tiles could be used for another pipe color ig

[lapis bough]

because the areas where the mega mushroom is usually (will) have pipes that can be broken (for example 1-2)

[zinc rivet]

Ohhh

[lapis bough]

1-2 already has these

as you can see here for example
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208478549380431872/1350163827781537925/megamushroom_bar_palette_broke_01.png?ex=68bfbfcd&is=68be6e4d&hm=516f14a8880e93cd62a64e4537868e76ebf13e49b3e09308e4516b54471c073b&

[trim palm]

I see

[lapis bough]

also i'm not fully sure about that "bottom screen item on a used block" idea actually...

like it just feels a bit off. maybe it's because it lacks some kind of background to differentiate it from the bottom screen bg

here for example, except that i wanna add a used block below
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208478549380431872/1353007397668524134/hud_graphics_06.PNG?ex=68bf8c15&is=68be3a95&hm=e86455d9fb97f878b74ec6bd3a98412703b3d484bd9438ea466025e384f1f23b&

[zinc rivet]

The used block would be nice imo

What if

U added a used block as the bg

And replace every item with a non used block

So when u touch it uses the block

[lapis bough]

that... would be a bit weird tbh

unless you know what's in the block

i think i'll probably just add a white background shape or something, and see if it works

[lapis bough]

well turns out DM's nsmbu sub nohara is not a v2, which means that it should actually be easier to optimize the whole sub nohara!!

still have to change the "door" frame a little bit tho because it's only 1-2 pixels to shift and they take up "3d" tiles slots

sometimes i would rather change something to make it more optimized than making it 100% accurate

[lapis bough]

i'm gonna love nitropaint so much when it'll be time to import the graphics

(because the color is most lies gonna compress even more otherwise)

[lone jetty]

Trust me when I tell you that once you start using Nitro Paint to import graphics, you'll never ever want to import graphics directly in NSMBe again

[lapis bough]

importing the whole graphics directly?

idk how to do that with tileset. i only k ow how to compress it properly before importing it with nsmbe

[lone jetty]

Check Purps tutorial

[lapis bough]

okay

i'm guessing it's on nsmbhd?

[lone jetty]

Yup, he also posted it on #1207793065524199455

[lapis bough]

okay thanks, i'll check it out once the graphics are done

[lone jetty]

It's a much more complex and time consuming procedure, but it gives better results than when using NSMBe only

[lapis bough]

tiling in the map16 is gonna be a pain tho...

not me just realizing i could have taken the "source" file for the castle instead of using the nsmbe extracted version

technically both work. the nsmbe extracted version has the graphics already put in place in a way that is pretty much optimized. the "source" version have them in a more "visible" way, but need to be retiled so they take up less place and fit in the bitmap

but i'm probably not gonna bother redoing it since there are already other colors that'll get added, and most importantly because i had to manually modify some of the door frame so it would take up less tiles (and i don't feel like doing this again)

[lapis bough]

okay i have an issue

precisely with the castle snow. it's technically available on the "source" image, but not only optimizing it is kind of a pain (but i can deal with that), but the snow just... would feel weird i think

like, it would not be consistent with the snow of the tileset

i could tho maybe use Frosty's signboard code hack to make a snow texture and place it on top. this is already gonna be the case for the ground, so why not for the upper parts of the castle?

i wanna send a screenshot but wifi on pc is absolute garbage

-# yes gd reference. not my fault tho, my keyboard suggested it

freaking finally

the sub nohara tileset graphics currently look like this

[zinc rivet]

Oooooo giant pipe

[lapis bough]

the shapes on the top-right are for pipes

[lapis bough]

yes diagonal pipes like smw

they were used in the 1-SwitchPalace tileset but i thought it would be better to include them in the sub nohara instead

anyway, about the snow, it's probably better if it's made from scratch (or i can just reuse it from the unfinished snow summits tileset)

the bottom part of the castle won't need the snow because it'll be covered by the "signboard" actor with a snow texture (for the whole ground). same for the forest

[zinc rivet]

I love the w5 on this mod lol

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

we really need to showcase 4-1 and find at least a placeholder song

because i would probably like if the song was a cover of an existing one (more precisely the one that we used on our gd level "Updating" since it was one of the inspirations for the w4 theme)

[lapis bough]

probably gonna remake it from scratch

[trim palm]

Flag poles work in other tilesets?

[lapis bough]

yes. they're just regular tiles

the game doesn't care about which tileset they're in actually

[trim palm]

Is the pole also model tiles or how does that work

[lapis bough]

the pole are just regular tiles

and they get destroyed by the flagpole actor with the mega mushroom (what really happens is that a "box" of tiles gets destroyed based on the flagpole actor's placement). but apart from that they're just regular tiles

you could even place flower tiles from the grassland tileset and the game won't even care

the reason why they were in the jyotyu tileset was because it's used in every level

only the "destroyed base" tiles that appear after you destroy the flagpole are hardcoded to spawn, and they are always 2 specific tiles from the jyotyu

[lapis bough]

okay this part is such a painnnn

[trim palm]

Is it hardcoded what tiles are used for the broken base?

[trim palm]

...maybe I should read the entire thing before asking questions

I assume the flag that falls down is actually a big model then?

[lapis bough]

destroyed from the mega mushroom? yes

tho the flag itself (black/red) if not destroyed is the only part that is a model

pls hepl........ 😭

it's taking more time than the rest of the tileset...

[lone jetty]

Why don't you take the extended version of DM's Sub Nohara? It's in the archived resorces channel

[lapis bough]

dang it

i've been using the non-extended version

(from nsmbhd)

but the main reason was for the snow to be consistent with the snow summit tileset

i mean technically i have this, but i decided not to use the snow from it

[lapis bough]

oh i see it now

well dang i guess

still probably gonna be more consistent, and i'm mostly done anyway

[lone jetty]

Alright

The only problem with the extended DM's version is that the toride textures aren't properly set and you can see the player in front of the caslte for a few frames

I actually need to fix that in my Sub Nohara

[lapis bough]

i think that's because of the edge of the doorframe

the snow is done. just gotta retile this and in a (hopefully) optimized way

i feel like there's some style clash tho :/

[junior junco]

Reminds me that I need to cut my castle model in half so the player is fully behind it and doesn’t have any pixels sticking out

[lapis bough]

just gotta merge the layers and import this part with a copy of the rest, then optimize it

tho i'll do it later when i have time

i feel bad now for Cloudie who made the snow from for the snow summits tileset... ;-;

edit: for* not from. i guess Lanza is not the only one confusing the two lol

[lapis bough]

probably gonna finish this tomorrow

dang i'm kinda excited to add the blue pipes lol (probably the main reason why i wanted to redo the sub nohara lol)

[zinc rivet]

im still happy af with the king bill and animated checkpoint lol

[lapis bough]

lol

i mean yeah they seem pretty cool

[zinc rivet]

i already played like every level just to see the checkpoint in diferent levels lol

[zinc rivet]

indeed

[lapis bough]

wow lol

[blissful pulsar]

honestly I’m excited seeing so much activity in this thread lol, it’s great to see y’all making some progress n showing us more things

[trim palm]

Have you tried rotating the texture yet

[zinc rivet]

Yup, Already did

[trim palm]

Oh cool

[zinc rivet]

It looks really better nkw

I didn't noticed wen i made it first time lol

[trim palm]

Can you send an image in your thread or something

[zinc rivet]

Sure

Lemme put the game in my phone

[lapis bough]

oh nice to hear then!!

[zinc rivet]

IKR

[lapis bough]

also technically i can have 5 pipe colors

using Ztardust's method, and Frosty's arrow signboard for the pipe joints (i could also implement it in the jyotyu when i'll redo it)

i feel like purple pipes could be nice as a 5th color. tho at the same time having black pipes could probably work better in airships

so i'm not sure which to choose...

looks like this now!!

i think the graphics are pretty much done. i dont think there's much to add (or at least don't have ideas for it)

[rapid abyss]

nsmb styled snow jyotyu...

shouldn't be hard

[lapis bough]

??

so you're asking me to make it nsmbds-styled only when i'm done??

or you're probably just imagining what it could look like, kinda as a "what if?", idk

[blissful pulsar]

btw im just realizing could you change the ‘lightest’ color in the blue pipe? It seems to be a shade of green

[lapis bough]

yeah i should

[blissful pulsar]

something like a white could work or smt

or lighter cyan

[lapis bough]

tho that'll also mean change it in the existing texture that has the blue pipe...

you know what, i'll just select by hue

[zinc rivet]

I like the pipes!

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[rapid abyss]

why would I ask anyone apart from frosty or jpg

I got an idea that I might do

[lapis bough]

actually i kinda wanna keep it. it kinda adds more color to the pipe, and making it white doesn't give it the same "vibrant-ness" as the other pipe colors

to show what i mean:
image 1: green-ish removed
image 2: green-ish kept

[lapis bough]

i think i'll pass this time. it seems to be too long and i don't think i'll have the motivation

[blissful pulsar]

fair fair

[blissful pulsar]

doubt it would be something ‘usable’ tho cause you won’t be able to use a non-snow one on other levels but it’d be neat (if I get what u mean by ‘snow jyotyu’)

[lapis bough]

i feel like adding tiles (white bricks, pillars) for switch palaces might be good

tho i'm a bit afraid for the compression of the colors

[lapis bough]

added switch palace stuff

[sour kettle]

why not give switch palace its own tileset

[lapis bough]

because switch palaces are outdoors

[sour kettle]

ah gotcha

[lapis bough]

they're level remakes using existing tilesets most of the time

or i could make a special tileset for each level, but that would take up 4 tileset slots

or you just gave me an idea actually. i could make the switch palaces finish in a separate area that has its own switch palace tileset, using the "area overflow but better" feature (and hoping that the music doesn't break)

because yes for some reason the music just breaks with it sometimes and it sucks

[lapis bough]

PLEASE someone help fix that, it has been an issue with a bunch of levels in the hack

[zinc rivet]

Im happy to see this thread active

[lapis bough]

that's nice to hear!!

[zinc rivet]

Oh its weird cuz i got the same issue before

What if

U add every switch palace tileset into 1 slot

So u can use only views

[lapis bough]

if you mean combining all the themes, that's pretty much impossible (not enough space nor colors)

[zinc rivet]

I see

[lapis bough]

i feel like it's a bit compressed... (this is all bitmaps exported from nsmbe, after compressing it with nitropaint as a texture)

(no compression for comparison)

removing the switch palace stuff doesn't make the compression better (probably because nitropaint sets it to 256 colors)

there's something i have to fix but i gotta redo a bunch of stuff to fix it, and i don't feel like doing it right now

[lapis bough]

oh well turns out i have 2 extra "3d" tiles that are unused

[trim palm]

Which are those

[lapis bough]

the sub nohara tiles

[trim palm]

There are unused model tiles in the subnohara

[lapis bough]

some of them are 2d planes rendered in the 3d engine to cover mario/luigi when he enters the castle

[lapis bough]

no it was just not used by meromero who had made the code hack to extend it

[trim palm]

oh

Code hack to extend it?

[lapis bough]

to extend the sub nohara yes

and he made the nsmbwii tileset to go along with it

[trim palm]

So then he'd have 12 model tiles free, I'd imagine?

[lapis bough]

why?

[trim palm]

Cause I assume he got rid of the flag

[lapis bough]

not really, because he made secret exit and snow variations

[trim palm]

Ah

[lapis bough]

so he used most of them (and yes sacrificing the flag animation)

but i don't need as many so i'm using some of them for blue pipes instead

[trim palm]

Let me guess, he had a 3x3 to cover Mario for both fortress colours, and then you're now using 2 of the 3 tiles that he didn't use

Cause one of those 3 tiles is the one that adds the flag

[lapis bough]

no it's twice 2x3 to cover mario (and using partial solid tiles), and twice 2x3 for pipes

twice for the first one so i can have both brown and gray variations, and for the pipes it's the tiles needed for both vertical and horizontal ones

[trim palm]

2x3 twice, twice is 24 tiles?

[lapis bough]

yes

• the 1-2 tiles meromero didn't use

[trim palm]

That'd be 26 tiles then

[lapis bough]

(more like 1 tile because the second one is a white square and i have no idea which texture it loads, or if it even loads one)

so yeah 25 tiles

[trim palm]

Where do the extra 4 come from

I thought subnohara had 21 tiles

[lapis bough]

meromero's code hack

[trim palm]

So he just added more tiles

[lapis bough]

yeah

and changed the existing ones

how it looks in-game rn (i still gotta replace the textures)

[trim palm]

So you can just add a whole bunch of extra model tiles with code?

[zinc rivet]

Ill make nsmbu cannon

🤔

[trim palm]

From the game that doesn't have the same type of cannons?

[zinc rivet]

Ill make it yellow

Or red, idk

It will just look like nsmbu ones

[trim palm]

NSMBU cannons don't serve the same purpose

Well, I guess there isn't much of a difference in how the top looks, so idk

You do need to have a block with the world on it tho

[zinc rivet]

In ssmb it will serve as a world unlocking method instead of warp, since it will make w4 to w5 (w5 is on space) or w5 to mushroom kingdom

[zinc rivet]

Yea ofc

[lapis bough]

???

[zinc rivet]

Oh

Sorry its your thread

[lapis bough]

nsmbu doesn't have cannons that send you to a specific world

also this is the secret test room in 1-1 to test all worlds

[trim palm]

It has cannons in the castles that shoot you at the boss

[lapis bough]

oh yeah true

[lapis bough]

not quite. the tileset already has them. meromero's code hack simply adds more of them by reusing and replacing unused model tiles

[trim palm]

So there are unused model tiles that can be made functional with code?

[lapis bough]

pretty much

idk if they technically work with the castle tileset by default tho. i know some do

[lapis bough]

well... some stuff is done, some stuff isn't yet

[lone jetty]

From what I've noticed, there are two area overflow methods:

• The first one involves connected pipes and you can teleport to any area from the current world
• The second ones involves setting a higher area value than the number of areas the current level has, this lets you teleport to any area from any world (including the unused levels)

The first one seems to be the one that causes issues with the music, so if I were you, I would try the second method if possible

I can't really confirm this tho, this is pure speculation, but I can guarantee you that I've never had any issues with the area overflow and the music (and I tend to use the area overflow bug very often)

[zinc rivet]

I always use the second

When i used with pipe it gave me a error

With music

It didn't played

[lapis bough]

i actually tried both for 4-1 and the issue was the exact same. however it seemed like the music didn't get cut if the area was "nearer" (for example warping to an area from 4-2 instead of 4-5)

[lone jetty]

If you try the second method you shouldn't really have any issues with the music, make sure you don't have the "Connected pipe" box enabled

[lapis bough]

wait i didn't know you could teleport in the unused levels tho. i thought those were completely unrecognized by the game

[lapis bough]

i think i still had the issue

[lone jetty]

You can, Newer DS did this in some levels

[lapis bough]

also this also means that if i can't use the first method properly, there are some stuff that i had planned that i couldn't

[lapis bough]

pretty sure newerds has a code hack to change the relocation of areas tho

[zinc rivet]

Actually u can teleport to unused levels on vanilla too

[lapis bough]

i didn't know

[lone jetty]

Now you know already

[lapis bough]

i'm sure it would have gotten more hype if i had shown 1-2 screenshots

but i kinda prefer to show everything at once

[lapis bough]

oh wait this also means i can do some nice stuff by using the unused levels

[lapis bough]

i think what's left to do is:

• replacing the pipes and pipe joint textures
• adding 5 new textures in the signboard nsbtx: pipe joint, 2 snow textures, and 2 forest grass textures

[lapis bough]

i feel like i could use the remaining "3d" tiles for stuff like blocks that get destroyed and hide something (such as a star coin) behind them

extremely specific i know, it was actually something i wanted to do in the bonus room of 3-3 but couldn't because tiles rendered by the 2d engine cannot hide stuff rendered by the 3d engine

[lapis bough]

newerds code is brokeeeen

i tried patching the "door retexture" code and it just doesn't work

also i tried modifying the code (it's in asm) to add more variations (for example doors with a star for Peach's Castle), but i couldn't make it work

[junior junco]

its skawo code

thats all i can say

[lapis bough]

yeah i should have expected it lol

wait i forgot to convert the copy into ncpatcher i'm so dumb 😭

(first attempt was converted into ncpatcher, the one with extra variations)

well uh turns out it's the original code that is faulty. it doesn't wanna patch

how surprising

[vague breach]

hmm i'm currently doing the blue pipes

Seems simple enough for me (especially compared to what Rainie did yesterday ;-;)

[lapis bough]

okay time for...

new sub nohara

diagonal pipes and 5 pipe colors!!!

[zinc rivet]

OOOOOOOOOO

How u added more colors?

[blissful pulsar]

sub nohara I think

[lapis bough]

sub nohara for the purple pipe (kinda inspired by Illy's btw), and Ztardust's method for the blue pipes

and since Ztardust's method requires to also use the pipe joint, it's now placed with Frosty's "arrow signboard" actor

Downsides of this combined method:

• The end of level castle cannot have snow on the 3d tiles
• The purple pipes cannot be used on extended tilesets, unless the graphics from the bitmap used for the purple pipes are also empty on the extended tileset (i'll probably have to modify the existing extended tilesets for this)
• The pipe joint is now part of the "extra signboard" actor, and has to manually be placed (and also requires the code hack of course)
• Inaccurate visuals in-editor

tho it's not that much and i think it was worth doing it

btw it looks like this in the editor

[zinc rivet]

Confusing but nice!

[blissful pulsar]

clear pipe

[lapis bough]

yeah it's a bit confusing. tho we put descriptions for the "objects" of the tileset

[zinc rivet]

Btw:
Pipe joint dont need to have a 3d tile

Cuz mario gets invisible when he enters the pipe

Even when its a conected pipe

[lapis bough]

they do if the pipe is only 1-2 tiles long

[zinc rivet]

Ohh yea

Forgot about this

[lapis bough]

but yeah i knew that mario becomes invisible. that's also why it's sadly not possible to make clear pipes

[zinc rivet]

Yea

[wary frost]

uhh Rainie and Cloudie???

can you please explain 4-1??

why does it feels like a world 8 difficulty level??

[lapis bough]

what 😭

[wary frost]

the checkpoint is too early in the level

and the bonus room for the 2nd star coin is way too difficult

like wdym if you fail 3 precise jumps in a row you die???

[lapis bough]

yeah true i shouldn't have made it too difficult

didn't know the checkpoint was an issue tho, thanks for pointing it out

[zinc rivet]

😭

[wary frost]

yw sib

[zinc rivet]

Tho dificulty star coins are nice tho

[wary frost]

uhh not this one?

you have to jump on 3 scuttlebugs (is that how the spiders are called??) in a row without falling into the poison, and there's a slope ceiling for the 3rd jump

it's just... not in my world 4 please

and the way the scuttlebugs are placed sometimes makes it difficult to avoid them

i'll change all of that right now

[zinc rivet]

Oh 😭

Yea that would be nice on w7/w8 but not on w4

[wary frost]

yeahhh...

[zinc rivet]

This mod is really nice, i like it :>

[lapis bough]

thanks a lot <3

[zinc rivet]

Yall are creative af ngl

[wary frost]

yeaa thxx

[zinc rivet]

Yw!! ^^

[wary frost]

uhh i think i got an idea?

making the bonus room part of another view of the same area, and if you fall down then you just fall back into the main level

[lapis bough]

that could work, yeah

also it would get rid of the music problem (for this area at least)

[wary frost]

yuh

[lapis bough]

well i think it's time to try to make a midi from this

wdym there's a folder called "crap", which contains a file of the same name, in kirby mass attack 😭

[lapis bough]

the fact that it's an sseq makes it easier to choose the instruments accurately, since you can listen to the channels separately in nitro studio

also the instruments of kirby mass attack strangely match the ones from the "general default" soundbank (which some midi editor have by default or require that you install). i don't think that's a coincidence...

my guess is that the developers of Kirby Mass Attack used this kind of file as a base for their music

[lapis bough]

i can't really decide for the main instrument

version a

version b

version c

which one do y'all like more?

(the only difference is the main instrument that starts at the beginning)

[zinc rivet]

I like version C

[lapis bough]

to import this midi, and the "grassland" theme from yoshi's safari, i'll have to make custom soundbanks (so i'm guessing custom sbnk and swar)

and i don't think i feel like doing it right now

also because idk how to do it and how much time it'll take

[lone jetty]

If you're using instruments from other SBNK's all you have to do is extract the PCM instruments and import them all in a new generated SBNK

[lapis bough]

for the newly generated soundbank, do i just try to create one from nitro studio? (and then import the instruments)

[lone jetty]

Yes, but I recommend you to do it in a placeholder SDAT and once you're done, export the SBNK and SWAR and replace them in your current SDAT

[lapis bough]

okay

so i guess what i can do is save a copy

does the swar just gets the new swav files when you import the instruments in the sbnk?

[lone jetty]

Yes

[lapis bough]

okay then

and so i'm guessing i have to link the sbnk to the corresponding swar beforehand, right? (i did this already)

also why doesn't it let me select the new swar? is it because it's empty? or because i didn't save after creating it?

yeah it seems like i had to save first. or maybe i opened the sbnk before creating the swar, idk

[lapis bough]

well i ended up using the original instrument instead, extracted directly from Kirby Mass Attack

[lone jetty]

Correct

[lapis bough]

also why do you think it's better to do it in a placeholder one?

[lone jetty]

It is more convenient to create a SBNK and SWAR from scratch instead of replacing the instruments in an existing one, so what you do is to create them in an placeholder SDAT so that they're ready to be replaced in your current SDAT without having to create new ones unnecessarily

[lapis bough]

oh

well i don't need to replace any

or more like, i keep importing/creating new stuff in the sdat instead of replacing stuff

which is... probably not the best thing to do... i should really try to optimize/unbloat it at some point

actually i'll do it once i'm done with the 2 sbnks

(2 because the other one is for the yoshi safari grassland theme)

also, one thing i'm doing is to keep the instrument id the same as the one it was in the original sbnk (when possible or when the number isn't too high), so it's easier when i make the midi/sseq

oh well... i just realized i could just import the instruments like that for the forest theme (Dark Clouds from Kirby Mass Attack), making it 1:1 accurate with the original

doing it right now, but i'm not sure which version to use between the original and the sseq i'm making (which uses instruments from nsmb except for one that is from the original)

yeah it's even a bit easier than giving new instruments to each channel in lmms

[lapis bough]

okay so it just gives me an error while trying to import the midi for some reason???

[lapis bough]

the downside is that the filesize of the swar is larger than one you would find in nsmb, so it may not play without the "sound heap increase" code hack (at least for this song)

[lapis bough]

fixed!! i just had to close all windows of nitro studio and reopen it

okay so, the 2 sseqs seem to work!! (in nitro studio at least). tho the loop isn't perfect so i gotta fix that

[lone jetty]

Remember that the SSEQ, SWAR and SBNK cannot be higher than 128KB in total, otherwise the SSEQ is not gonna play in game

[lapis bough]

well the swar of the original is higher than 128kb. the one with the new instruments isn't tho

i have the sound heap increase code hack so i think it plays more than 128kb

[blissful pulsar]

all of kirby mass attack's audio is like, in one swar 💔

all the wavs are left on really high quality settings too so if possible try to compress them a bit in something like audacity, thats what i did when taking samples from kma

[lapis bough]

yeah i could compress them with audacity

tho extracting them from the sbnk allows to extract only the swavs you need i think (tho i probably need to confirm that)

[lapis bough]

i kinda wanna finish the desert tileset

the thing is that i gotta add torches... and that'll be complicated...

like for that, there needs to be animated tiles, and extra tile slots when there are almost none of them left. and i also have to do the "base" of the torch (what the fire will be on)

that alone kinda killed my motivation for the tileset actually

i could probably just copy-paste part of the pillar for the torch base, but then i'll have to know which tiles to replace and whatnot

[lapis bough]

uhh how many frames do the conveyor belts have? 8? so i make the tiles for the torch animation already

looking like this so far btw

[zinc rivet]

Ooooooooo

[lapis bough]

not me realizing that it has duplicate tiles that i missed...

[sour kettle]

is on the wiki

i think

[lapis bough]

i'll probably check later

[zinc rivet]

I really like this idea, it remembers me of tbose smw small cutscenes after beating a castle but better

[lapis bough]

yes it's heavily inspired by them actually

just with drawn images instead of animations

[zinc rivet]

Smw is a great inspiration for this hack and honestly i think its pretty based, smw is a really nice game

[lapis bough]

heck i think even the music is gonna be the same

[zinc rivet]

Ohhhhh neat!

[lapis bough]

yeah it is. never finished it tho... (never 100%d it. and the time i did reach the final boss, it was too hard for me)

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

i need to learn how to draw the Mario Bros tho i think...

[zinc rivet]

Its pretty easy to draw mario actually, i always use sm64 model as reference when i need to draw it

[lapis bough]

i mean drawing both Mario and Luigi in a consistent artstyle and with a "proper" anatomy (""proper"" because the mario bros do NOT have proper anatomy), along the other things that should be around them during the cutscenes

but i guess using a model could help, yeah

[lapis bough]

the world list so far

also i feel like it would be nice to have 1 or 2 levels in world 5 that are underground, but sometimes in some sort of cave that has holes to the outside (kinda similar to the old world 2 idea of Sakura SMB, my inspiration for this actually)

[lapis bough]

life's been busy lately. hopefully some progress soon

[lapis bough]

oh yeah btw i had wanted to redesign 1-1, but i kinda want it to introduce a custom powerup: the super leaf. and so i kinda feel like i would kinda need to wait for it to redesign it (tho i still can redesign the level and wait for the powerup)

for the powerup, i either wanted to try coding it myself (which will probably happen in a year or something), or request it. i think it would also require the "extended powerups" code

if someone does it though, it would be really nice, and i would really appreciate it. and whoever does can take as much time as they want, even one year if they wish. tho i'm still not fully sure if i want someone to do it, or (kinda unrealistically) try to do it myself at some point

[lapis bough]

i kinda wanna pin skewer2 for the bird and flower actors

the birds would fit world 7 very well (probably with a custom texture too tho)

[lime lava]

@maiden leaf

[lapis bough]

well, someone else did. thanks bloemfondu i guess

-# i think i mostly just didn't dare to

[maiden leaf]

dw I don't mind pings

[lapis bough]

it was also just for asking in general. i think i don't really like to ask other people if i can use their stuff if they're not in a public resource thing

[lime lava]

dw bester it's okay

[lapis bough]

also i think i'll say it here and now, i actually prefer that people call me "Rainie" from now on. i've began to feel a disconnect from "Bester" for a few months now

i'm still fine with "Bester" but i prefer "Rainie"

[lime lava]

make it obvious then please

but sure i'll try not to forgert

[lapis bough]

if i kept it as "BesteRainie72" it was mainly to avoid confusion and people not knowing who i am. also because i wasn't fully sure about the change at first

[trim palm]

You could change your server nickname while keeping the username

Shouldn't be too hard to recognise you anyway, since "Rainie" has always been in your username, and not changing pfp certainly goes a long way as well

[lapis bough]

it has been my username for a few months only. it used to be "TheBester7" with a different pfp, and that's why i kept "Bester" in the name when i changed the whole thing

[trim palm]

oh

uh

Long enough?

[rapid abyss]

@lapis bough how your world map icons look like btw

curious

[lapis bough]

i was gonna ask you for help but later

so far they look like this tho: w1, w2, and w6
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208478549380431872/1401600916536168448/W1_map_deco_01.png?ex=68da0952&is=68d8b7d2&hm=a0f6f00636a60eba34190ab167effc0447baf390a7ba0512a183e10bbd62528e&

i feel like they look pretty "flat" shading-wise

[rapid abyss]

@lapis bough

[rapid abyss]

damn i love sending wrong screenshtso

[lapis bough]

wow you made the buildings look more 3d. that's really cool, thanks

[lime lava]

W jouner

[rapid abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/w-speed-kaisgolazo-speed-drinking-water-ishowspeed-ishowspeed-water-gif-5824894989253361244

[rapid abyss]

I generally cleaned out everything and removed every unnecessary detail, for the future just know that you want to make this kind of icons as much clean as possible, and visible, ofc i still added some one the railling even tho they're unnecessary but yeah.

look at the flowers on the old one or especially building on behind

[lapis bough]

bumping the thread uselessly with no progress yet once again

but just wanted to say that the other day, Cloudie and I were playing "NSMB DS Deluxe (goofy hack)", and got some ideas for it that we wanna reuse

1st screenshot: the star coin. interesting and challenging, requires either a koopa shell or precise jumping
2nd screenshot: spin blocks in 1-Tower. we kinda wanted to redo the second half of 1-Tower because it's currently a bit boring, and feels a bit out of place with the first part

anyway enjoy the lack of progress i guess

[half vector]

Rainbow quest content yipee

[lapis bough]

barely. it's just 2 small ideas

[trim palm]

What's the challenge with the star coin

[half vector]

Oh wait it's a repurposed messages from Shuriken team

[lapis bough]

it's a purple mushroom. if you remember them from the base game, they tilt sideways once you step on them

[trim palm]

Ah

I'm not too familiar with DS exclusive mechanics

[lapis bough]

here for example (tho the pipe and the wall make it easy enough)

[trim palm]

It is a bit cursed how a semisolid platform goes in front of solid terrain tho

[lapis bough]

yeah because it's an actor rendered by the 3d engine

[trim palm]

I know

[blissful pulsar]

I thought it was part of the tileset and was impressed by the pipe getting layered behind 😭🥀

[lethal vortex]

download?

[lapis bough]

you literally bumped a thread that hasn't had activity for a month, to ask for a download, in the rawest and most effortless way possible?

there's no download available for this hack at the moment. no demo, and no final release

anyway since you bumped the thread i guess i'll just share stuff later, even tho it's mostly complaining about the lack of progress, the issues, and such

Progress lately are:

• Font change (pop happiness)
• Switching w6 and w7 numbers (temporary?)
• New ideas
• Attempted to import new code hacks but it broke because Will Smith updated the reference (and probably other stuff with me changing arm9.bin)

yeah that's all the progress there has been in a month. barely worked on the hack, things are messy, all over the place. i'll probably explain more later

[empty jungle]

The RtDL font? Based

Hoping things go smoother soon btw

[lapis bough]

rtdl?

i'm talking about the one used in games such as paper mario and mario galaxy

wait it means Return to DreamLand (just looked for it). and, yeah seems to be the same font

i should really try more nintendo games other than the mainline mario series...

[lapis bough]

also thanks <3

anyway time to rant i guess

the hack is in an incredibly broken state right now. there are also some other personal reasons (combined with the hack being broken) that make it so we (well especially i since i tend to be the one who works on it the most) don't have motivation for the hack for now. and it has kinda been like this for a while now...

it feels like every time there's an attempt at progress, no progress is really being done, because it's either making a broken sseq that doesn't end up working, or spending 6 hours to try to make a code hack work properly and then it just doesn't work at the end

there are also a lot of things and issues overlapping each other. and things that need other things to be done first (main example being that some levels need to have their tileset be made first, but making tilesets takes time and can be demotivating)

i'll just transfer some messages now i guess

(the "clean overlays" that were shared by either ItzTacos or TheGameratorT, i don't remember)

no idea if it's related to the modification of arm9.bin or the code reference being updated

[maiden leaf]

maybe I replaced nitro wav, which would have modified the firstWavID value

double check that

[maiden leaf]

please send said error messages

[lapis bough]

changed the firstWavID to the right one. i'll try to patch again later and send the error messages

anyway, working on this tileset i guess

(inspired by Frosty Cake's and my gd level Dreams)

[fresh grotto]

Bacani

[lapis bough]

?????

i expected someone to say something meaningful after no progress shown in over a month. not some gibberish

unless it means something (related to progress shown) in another language (in that case, sorry)

[half vector]

It's Filipino but it doesn't seem to mean anything. By the way, I have to say I really like the new blocks, although I would add a border to the Geometry Dash block (I guess it's just a work in progress).

Sorry for the ping :(

[lapis bough]

the gd block is supposed to be put in the center of the larger 2x2 block (same thing for the question mark and such)

a bit like how the star currently is in the middle of the 2x2 block

[lone jetty]

I didn't notice the block, lmao, that's a neat addition

[lapis bough]

thanks

[cedar minnow]

PEAK 🔥

what's the size (in pixels) of mario and luigi heads for the ones-up ?

@lapis bough

[lapis bough]

WHY THE HELL DID YOU PING REPLY ME 3 TIMES

wait sorry...

why the hell did you ping reply me 3 times, one of which seems to be a ghost ping, and bump this thread after it didn't have activity for 20 days??
edit: the ping is in a separate message

[lapis bough]

no idea

like come on. i hate ping replies, especially when i'm not expecting them. and here i get 3 at once (2 ping replies and one ping). i thought i got a dm or something

i mean i check this server every day. damn it, just be patient next time

you're also replying to old and sometimes outdated stuff

i'm not sure what do you mean by "the size of mario and luigi heads for the ones-up", do you mean on the life counter?

you could have asked in #nsmb-chat . no idea what the size of the heads are, but the size of their texture is 24x24. so if you wanna make a custom one, that's your limit

also do NOT ping reply if you wanna reply again

just... sorry for sounding rude. i just woke up and such, and this really annoyed me at first. you weren't even disrespectful or anything to deserve this (just pinged me a lot and kinda unnecessarily though, but that probably doesn't count). so once again, sorry

i'm really glad you like the hack so far though <3

[lapis bough]

might make a bit of progress today, idk

[half vector]

Cool

[lapis bough]

with every other hack now having hand-drawn tilesets, i'm starting to worry if TRQ should not do the same (for every tileset, since some are already hand-drawn)

at the same time making hand-drawn tileset is kind of a pain, and probably one of the reasons why progress on this hack has been slow

[lapis bough]

also we had made a little bit of progress the day after

[lapis bough]

giving up the hack or smth idk. never being able to make progress, custom tilesets are a pain to do, etc

not giving up but like not doing it for now, i'm so tired, and at this rate it feels like progress is never being made

anyway, forget what i said, i think i'll just show what has been made lately (not much)

beginning of 6-4, wip and very early so some stuff is missing (eg. coins)

(switch palace tileset earlier btw)

[zinc rivet]

Imteresting

[rapid abyss]

bro has peach castle in w1, this is fucking peak

[lapis bough]

isn't peach's castle in w1 usually? (nsmb ds, wii, 2)

also thankss!!!

[rapid abyss]

3d model

and you have probably "special" level there

[lapis bough]

and bros* (if you're talking about the mario bros), sibs* (if you're talking about us/the rainbowies)

[lapis bough]

not fully sure if there'll be a "special" level. but you should at least be able to enter peach's castle as you would with a toad house

might be good to have a code hack to make the model always appear (but not the path), regardless of whether the game is beaten or not

(because it replaces the blue toad house)

[lone jetty]

Replacing the blue Toad house by a Peach Castle is a neat idea, tho, I feel the model should be moved a little bit since it's directly touching the node

[lapis bough]

yes i had pointed out this issue (on the ssmb server)

JPG said she'll try to move down the model tho

[rapid abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/75-years-later-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-6797400150601889693

[lapis bough]

she said that a few hours ago

[vernal chasm]

the SMW colors fit this mod super well

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[lapis bough]

speaking of which, idk if anyone noticed, but the blue shell too was changed slightly to match the smw palette more

[lapis bough]

oh btw this is fixed now. it could have been the firstWavID because i set it to the correct one now

the "double intro screen" issue is still here tho. even tho the code isn't different from the old source it seems. maybe messing with the arm9.bin to add the custom font caused this issue? idk

what happens basically is that the screen appears twice. and one of the two times both actually can be skipped by waiting (each of both can by pressing A). so it's as if it played both situations one after the other for some reason

[sour cove]

That castle is so cute

[sour cove]

This toad house as well, did you create them by yourself? 🙂

[lapis bough]

yes, by modifying existing models (the original toad house and the end-of-world castle), and creating custom textures for them

tho the toad house is now replaced by Peach's Castle

[sour cove]

This hack looks incredible 😄 Are you going to release it this year?

[lapis bough]

unfortunately it's kinda unlikely. the majority of levels still need to be done, and same for like more than half of the remaining tilesets. it also needs a few code hacks that are yet to be made. so i don't really expect it to be done this year