Starship Flight 6

[chrome adder]

Agreed lol

I think it's electrical conduit.

[teal shell]

i do think it's plumbing of some kind but i'm assuming pneumatics

doesn't look cryo

maybe high pressure GN2 or GHe

[chrome adder]

I can get more pictures.

[teal shell]

yeah but also thats probably just all i can conclusively say anyway on it lol

also whatever that is it certainly is not a flex hose

at least not intentionally

[chrome adder]

Quite rigid

[coarse sonnet]

yeah disregard I only saw the one photo in the dark and also may be fucking stupid

[chrome adder]

I'll grab some more pictures. Please hold.

[coarse sonnet]

see part about being a collosal dumbass

it's some form of toob

fascinating

[chrome adder]

It's probably unimportant GSE since there were a ton of cryo trucks.

So Stage 0 looked healthy to me

[tidal glen]

tile?

[chrome adder]

Rubbery material

[tidal glen]

iirc there’s a number to call to report debris, it’s technically theft if you don’t check with them first lol

[chrome adder]

With what appears to be char

[chrome adder]

Ope. I will check with them

[tidal glen]

oh huh

[tidal glen]

yeah, i dunno where that number is

haven’t seen it since flight 1

[coarse sonnet]

game is game maddie

why give them an opportunity to ask for it lol

[tidal glen]

because it’s doing the right thing?

[coarse sonnet]

bleh

[tidal glen]

if it’s not important they probably don’t care

ik people have called in tiles etc and they got to keep them

it’s also helpful to know where stuff falls etc

[chrome adder]

Yup

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacex/2015/06/29/spacex-debris-recovery-hotline/

[chrome adder]

@tidal glen

I will email.

[burnt ridge]

That’s for CRS-7

[chrome adder]

Ope

[chrome adder]

Still active as of Crew-7

https://www.space.com/spacex-dragon-space-junk-hotline

[tidal glen]

give it a whirl

[chrome adder]

Already sent the email. I will happily return any debris.

[tidal glen]

🙏🙏

might be good to make a note of where you found it

[chrome adder]

I could put reasonable pins on a map maybe.

Very rough

[tidal glen]

oh interesting

[dusty notch]

Thank you for confirming this real spiffles statement

[chrome adder]

Top was the pipe. Bottom two were rubber

Caveman painting Starship?

[devout cave]

you're talking to ms tax fraud

[coarse sonnet]

for fucks sake

I don't commit tax fraud

[devout cave]

oh

[covert fox]

best summary. stealing this 🫳

[devout cave]

pushes ship hardest it's ever been pushed
has their smoothest entry yet
what in the FUCK????

[teal shell]

Yeah that's def just some random pneumatic line

Nothing special

It does look like it very violently stopped being a pneumatic line

[real thunder]

push harder

[real thunder]

me in kindergarten

aed spotted

heatshield ceiling

what room is this

[devout cave]

wait that's a badass ceiling design

[tidal glen]

control room iirc

[trail skiff]

It’s even missing tiles

[sand trench]

LMFAO

I'm in a chat with some dumbass who thinks booster didn't land due to TRUMP WATCHING THE LAUNCH

like "uh oh it's reputation loss if it fails"

my brother in christ, it failed already

[tidal glen]

the only semiplausible explanation would be tighter margins due to VIP presence but in reality lol no

[sand trench]

they were like 6 miles away from the launch site

there are a lot more danger from a crowd of ppl at control center rather than the flying beer can

[tidal glen]

yeah that’s why i said semiplausible but in reality no

[tidal glen]

assuming they were at the production site, more like 2

[real thunder]

they didnt show the hawthorne crowd once on stream 🤔

[sand trench]

tho that's way before (or way after) the launch

[tidal glen]

they were at the control room no?

[jaunty shale]

turns out it was the tower that had problems

I mean the bent antenna probably didn't help

[sand trench]

second vid, that's next to Ad Astra school

[sand trench]

seems liek they either moved control room or they have another one farther away

[slow storm]

Please report these if you haven’t already. Anything found could be beneficial

[timid cedar]

They went to the control room after the booster landing

He watched the launch from outside; probably not too far from the room

pretty sure someone can pinpoint it better than me

[unkempt cradle]

My theory is something similar, previously they mentioned updating commit criteria for catch, and that means probably more stricter and tighter criteria which the booster didn't meet(obv )

[gloomy heath]

https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1859234137976045801

RGV Aerial Photography (@RGVaerialphotos) on X

Starship's plume surrounded by its condensation cloud!

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 1:55 PM

[devout cave]

it was the tower that aborted but sure

[slow storm]

Why would they close their commit bounds in response to a successful catch?

[chrome adder]

Already done.

[slow storm]

Thanks! We appreciate it

[unkempt cradle]

They had already called out tower is good

[unkempt cradle]

I forgot who but eitherMusk(a truly reliable source of unbiased info) or SpaceX themselves said they were aiming at a more efficient catch

Wait that made no sense

[topaz forge]

Statement on SpaceX' website says that divert triggered by health checks on the tower

So something must have gone NO-GO after that was called out

[unkempt cradle]

Oh I didn't read that lmao

Reading is important kids

[chrome adder]

Anyone have a copy of the NOTMAR? I'm trying to put a pin on the map for where I watched from.

Our boat may have even crossed the NOTMAR line briefly.

[slow storm]

Yeah I think that Musk said that. SpaceX Twitter stated that it would “expand on booster capabilities” so you can likely read into that as similar statements

[burnt ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/907359598351106151/1308807116978393108/IMG_1762.png?ex=673f491d&is=673df79d&hm=2d5a7332428fcda7cc74401b8fee1be36a55eaf5c2f408fd105e58452a7e8b40&

[real thunder]

elon loves bulletproof stuff

[valid comet]

but is it steel-ball proof?

[stray crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-tesla-fail-tesla-fail-demo-tesla-broken-window-tesla-broken-window-fail-gif-9332537600699269582

[burnt ridge]

https://vxtwitter.com/BVega92/status/1859002382124020050?t=5SpSdzIbR800KEYJOAkKOQ&s=19

[woeful token]

Is this something likely to be the antennas on top of the tower that fell over a bit, or do we think that was unrelated?

[topaz forge]

Possibly, but the chopsticks were also behaving different compared to Flight 5: https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1859074034698183118

Zack Golden (@CSI_Starbase) on X

An interesting thing I noticed, but didn't think much of at the time...During the pad avoidance maneuver, the chopsticks seemed to take quite a beating (per usual).
After Starship cleared the tower the chopsticks began closing to perform the automated health checks. The ended up

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 3:19 AM

[burnt ridge]

An interesting thing I noticed, but didn't think much of at the time...During the pad avoidance maneuver, the chopsticks seemed to take quite a beating (per usual).
After Starship cleared the tower the chopsticks began closing to perform the automated health checks. The ended up opening up again a few minutes later which did not happen during flight 5. This the time period where the issue was detected.

Since the road opened crews have been on the chopsticks performing inspections.

Note: You can also see the before and after of the lightning tower damage. I doubt this truly played a part in triggering the abort but its possible it was a factor

Here is the Official statement from SpaceX:

"Following a nominal ascent and stage separation, the booster successfully transitioned to its boostback burn to begin the return to launch site. During this phase, automated health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch tower triggered an abort of the catch attempt."

Full tweet

Holy moly https://fxtwitter.com/future_camping/status/1859224703761527213?s=46

https://fxtwitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1859263240884080691?s=46

https://fixupx.com/spacex/status/1859264782966390939?s=61

[sullen rampart]

Gah D has a photo that's like exactly like the second one there

[burnt ridge]

Send it

I’m in desperate need of flight 6 pics

ISS CAMS https://vxtwitter.com/sen/status/1859252625587200232

https://fixupx.com/SpaceNosey/status/1859223006813270223

[timid cedar]

hopefully EDA's fellas caught the booster explosion in slo motion

[jaunty shale]

most likely

[burnt ridge]

Lmao https://fixupx.com/mcrs987/status/1859212631430857178

[timid cedar]

why assume that it's still floating just because the boats are out there

plus they've shot it until it sank in the past

[real thunder]

the boats are following it

[slow storm]

Do you have a different reason for these boats to be very slowly moving?

[timid cedar]

oh

[timid cedar]

no

[real thunder]

https://fixupx.com/TheOldManPar/status/1859272021953180163

[real thunder]

these artifacts are interesting. you can see that they happen during the downlinking from the ship, because in the twitter stream the artifacts continue moving with the ground as if nothing happened. the ship would not encode something like this, so this mustve happened at some point after that. iirc tom scott has a video about movement as a video encoding technique

[barren narwhal]

(translated message)

Source: https://t.me/ivan_mks63

[halcyon kiln]

Anyone have a gif of ship and booster landing ?

[real thunder]

cosmodrome 💀

[barren narwhal]

it's auto translated so

yea

[lucid pike]

Космодром is such a cool word tho

[barren narwhal]

this is a better translation

[real thunder]

i was reading the first paragraph and initially approached it like a pro-russian telegram post. then i read "i managed to capture" and realised what i was looking at 💀 im so cognitively biased

[mystic cave]

I liked this launch, yeah the booster didn't do the thing but other than that preformed nominal. The real show was that ship landing, incredible

[chrome adder]

This?

[mystic cave]

Also the people complaining that the booster fell into the ocean are ignorant to the fact every other rocket does that. (With the exception of f9 and fh [I am not counting the penis rocket])

[barren narwhal]

:|

[slow storm]

Small diversion to the Indian Ocean

[barren narwhal]

floating platform

[slow storm]

And uh floating platform

[barren narwhal]

it is now a floating platform tbf

[halcyon kiln]

Was sonic boom heard?

[slow storm]

Think it was 30km offshore. Didn’t see anyone report the boom

[halcyon kiln]

Ah

[mystic cave]

I love the press ❤️❤️❤️

[real thunder]

i hate afternoon newspapers

booster

[mystic cave]

Boater

[halcyon kiln]

Booter

[timid cedar]

The Daily Mail; disregard

It’ll be the same as usual, most clickbait headlines but overall decent and factual articles, with people complaining about the headlines, assuming the articles are also bullshit, and ignoring the press companies that actually have decent headlines and articles

Happens every time

[burnt ridge]

Boca chica cosmodrome 😭

That actually sounds cool

[barren narwhal]

shitty firefox translation

[meager osprey]

“cosmodrome” is just a better word overall

[dusty notch]

Who wrote that lmfao

[topaz forge]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1859305986760245641

Elon Musk (@elonmusk) on X

@spacesudoer Lost comms to the launch tower computer. Catch would probably still have worked, but we weren't sure, so erred on the side of caution.

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 6:41 PM

[real thunder]

so it was the bent antenna

why dont they have underground cables

[timid cedar]

incredible

[timid cedar]

I mean the antenna was fine last time

[real thunder]

yeah because it was straight

also, sudoer 💀

[sand trench]

now it's gay

[real thunder]

and dysfunctional

the rocket booster fell off!

[winged shore]

fixed

[trail skiff]

I heavily doubt it tbh

[real thunder]

why

they aborted quite late if the antenna was bent at liftoff

[trail skiff]

Well they said it was go for tower initially so they did have communications with it but obviously lost it later on and there’s no way that’s what they rely on for such a critical thing cause that tower is the most likely thing to be destroyed during a launch

[slow storm]

Elon never mentioned the antenna. Just to note

[real thunder]

do you know something we dont

[jaunty shale]

booster fell off

[jaunty shale]

how else are u gonna communicate with the tower?

[slow storm]

underground cables which aren't as susceptible to getting plumed?
I'm just saying. Maybe it is the antenna. Maybe it isn't.

[west tinsel]

Laying cables is expensive and often unnecessary

[real thunder]

i would lay cable

[lucid pike]

I need to find out what country the stuffed banana came from...

[burnt ridge]

Holy moly https://x.com/abernnyc/status/1859083666762133956?s=46

Adam Bernstein (@ABernNYC) on X

Starship clears the tower at Starbase earlier today

📸 me for @SpaceflightNow

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 3:57 AM

[jaunty shale]

woah

[trail skiff]

Cables or at least have a second option of communicating with it then a little antenna

[jaunty shale]

they could have cables

but like the comms of the tower were damaged

[real thunder]

tracert

[sullen rampart]

https://x.com/dwisecinema/status/1859354385538744705

D Wise (@dwisecinema) on X

Lightly roasted b̶a̶n̶a̶n̶a̶ launch tower.

Print: https://t.co/f7S5ISkMwr
📸 - @NASASpaceflight

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 9:53 PM

[real thunder]

mexico took over ift6. all the photos are orange

we didnt even get blue flame on stream

[burnt ridge]

[chrome adder]

They do. I saw boxes for the fiber.

[timid cedar]

https://fxtwitter.com/SpaceX/status/1859378696735556032

[opal coral]

They really did tone down the CO2 didn’t they

I’m also almost certain that’s a regen channel leak there

[trail skiff]

People say this every flight I swear

[winged shore]

well yeah jacob

because it seems like there’s been a regen leak every flight

[unkempt cradle]

I sorta agree

Would lay cable to like, a more robust small building like near where the test pads are, then wireless from there to LC

[valid comet]

daily heil detected, messaged rejected

[valid comet]

okay i cant lie i missed the earlier bit of this and thought you meant a cable from the booster to the tower 💀

[trail skiff]

Ye but are we sure there’s a leak

[strong plank]

yeah it was me, i was the leak

[burnt ridge]

https://fixupx.com/jinsprucker/status/1859460984861229335

LMAO

[timid cedar]

man really returns to twitter posting just to dunk on the BBC

i respect that so hard

[burnt ridge]

Woahhhhhhhhh https://fixupx.com/astro_pettit/status/1859574336186675524?s=46

[burnt ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217518864141910209/1309127247768326184/image.png?ex=67407342&is=673f21c2&hm=013cd09ff240c554b30402063f36b9b59d20907f056db35df986f4be49676f26&

Starships plume is absolutely massive

[sullen rampart]

It's not how big it is but how you use it

[burnt ridge]

[trail skiff]

Next level quote

[burnt ridge]

Lmfao

[jaunty shale]

called it

[burnt ridge]

https://fixupx.com/interstellargw/status/1859604429206634814

[jaunty shale]

flamey end sidewards

[sullen rampart]

Oh so it actually burned

I had no idea why people kept saying that it was in flames cuz I couldn't see it on any views

But I guess it was

[opal coral]

residual methane probably?

[chrome adder]

So I looked at my pipe again and found what looks to be remains of a hose on one end.

Meaning probably hydraulic.

[real thunder]

your pipe

[chrome adder]

Also people found this hose

[real thunder]

my pipe looks different

[chrome adder]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shut-up-be-quiet-funny-gif-19370091

[unkempt cradle]

If only all girls said this

[barren narwhal]

TSE probably knows the exact part number and location this pipe came from

[chrome adder]

TSE?

[opal harness]

The Space Engineer.

[burnt ridge]

@plush crown

[buoyant zealot]

That is a garden hose

[plush crown]

lmao did someone loose their garden hose

it's the same construction as one probably got blown off the bunker I know they have some of that stuff there

[stray crystal]

Average tankwatcher discussion

[plush crown]

being completely serious they have a garden hose on the OTF bunker south side

[barren narwhal]

I knew he'd know lmao

[stray crystal]

The fact that:

1. It's a garden hose
2. You know exactly which building in Boca it came from
   Does not do anything to dispel that statement

[plush crown]

true

[burnt ridge]

Big if true https://x.com/Matt_Lowne/status/1859676820318322813

Matt Lowne (@Matt_Lowne) on X

An interesting shot from Starship Flight 6:

In this image, the Ship and Superheavy booster, as well as the ice/etc. appear to have a magenta-glow to them.

This is because I edited the picture in photoshop.

Follow for more space facts.

Twitter · Nov 21, 2024, 7:14 PM

[real thunder]

according to ryan hansen space i was correct

[burnt ridge]

Good vid
https://vxtwitter.com/supersonicflipz/status/1859417607163482409

[burnt ridge]

I never noticed this https://vxtwitter.com/cham_kyle/status/1859237802522874053

[real thunder]

not very good

[chrome adder]

What about the pipe?

Found about here

[plush crown]

Which pipe

The one on the concrete?

[covert fox]

damn it I was expecting some cool fact 🤣

[gaunt mesa]

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1859716672623624586⠀

[burnt ridge]

GOD DAYUM

[topaz forge]

https://fixupx.com/SpaceX/status/1859717568162127873

[unkempt cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-south-park-ass-gif-10696025

[carmine shard]

sex

[chrome adder]

Yes. That was after I moved it.

It was initially by the road

[keen osprey]

I noticed it lol

[halcyon kiln]

https://imgur.com/AQNVvtm

[chrome adder]

That fireball was so cool in person

Even if I only saw the top...

[halcyon kiln]

oo\

[tidal glen]

could you hear it?

[halcyon kiln]

could you fel the heat

[chrome adder]

No

[halcyon kiln]

for flight 5 i was able to feel heat on landing burn

[chrome adder]

It was either that or a second set of sonic booms

[halcyon kiln]

did you get sonic booms??

[tidal glen]

no clue why the sonic booms wouldn’t come together, the HSR’s would be pretty dang close to the booster’s

[chrome adder]

Two sets of booms. Double booms for both. Second was probably the booster exploding.

[tidal glen]

assuming it even gets one audible from that distance

[chrome adder]

This is where I was

[halcyon kiln]

ohh cool i hadnt heard anyone mention sonic booms

like no videos or anything show them either

[chrome adder]

Not super loud

[chrome adder]

I may have the first set on video

Turned it off right before the second.

[halcyon kiln]

oo

[chrome adder]

I'll have to check. It was my camcorder.

[plush crown]

They're both sonic booms

Booster main boom and then the ground reflected boom

Possibly the hotstage later but I don't have a solid record of it

But that was the case with FLT5

tons of people confusing the reflected booster boom 30s after touchdown for the hotstage boom, when in fact the hotstage boom was almost a minute 30 after touchdown

[sullen rampart]

It was the hot staging ring sonic boom

The BYU team we interviewed had data from it and the sonic boom profile was completely different from the sonic boom profile of the booster

It was a double sonic boom, not triple, and it had ripples which indicate heavy turbulence in the airflow compared to the booster's sonic boom which was pretty much clean

[stray crystal]

I commend BYU for getting a multiple-century head start on researching how to build the Nauvoo

[sullen rampart]

Here's the graphic with the sonic booms and launch audio levels

Booster sonic boom vs hot staging ring sonic boom

[tidal glen]

oh wait what

[sullen rampart]

And the link to the paper https://pubs.aip.org/asa/jel/article/4/11/113601/3320807/Starship-super-heavy-acoustics-Far-field-noise

[tidal glen]

lmao what

[stray crystal]

Slightly tasteless The Expanse reference lmao

[plush crown]

But it was even after this graph ends

[sullen rampart]

You say the reflected boom was the one happening 30 seconds after the booster boom

[plush crown]

Roughly hold on I'll get the exact times here

[sullen rampart]

That's the one in the graphic and it has a different profile

They also found out that for some reason the engine noise at landing burn is still quite loud and very equivalent to the launch audio noise level

Which is on squares b and d

[plush crown]

Okay wait just so we're on the same page this is all FLT5 data right

[sullen rampart]

Yeah

[plush crown]

And there was three booms. Booster main, booster reflected, and hotstage

[sullen rampart]

They only recorded two sonic booms

I also don't recall hearing on our audio any third sonic boom

We did see the reflected boom because of the cloud interactions but not sure how we'd hear it

[plush crown]

I was recording for multiple minutes after touchdown so I've got all of them I can compile them real quick here

Unfortunately I talked over like two of them I think but they're still very audible

[sullen rampart]

I can go back if you want and listen to the thing, we have hours of footage before, during, and after flight so it'd be easy to go check in a sec

[plush crown]

Yeah I'm going to get you specific timemarks here in a second

Just waiting for it to export

[sullen rampart]

I've listened to one of the feeds and what I found is at 8:28:27 in the recording is the booster boom, then at 8:29:16 there's a distinctive double sonic boom, the one on that paper. About 20 seconds later, at 8:29:38 into the recording, there's a faint thud, only detectable when bumping up the volume a lot. Another faint thump can be heard a minute after the double sonic boom at 8:30:16

[plush crown]

That faint thud was much louder compared to the double

At least from my vantage

You can hear how that second double is also muffled which lends to it being reflected more

The last one is still sharp

[halcyon kiln]

What would it have reflected off of tho

[plush crown]

The ground

Oh there's some helicopter video somewhere where it is especially apparent

[chrome adder]

@plush crown any idea what my metal pipe is for?

[plush crown]

I can't really ID it because it's so generic. Just standard probably fluid line, not cryo, from who knows where

threads on the end just standard 3/4 npt

not sure where exactly it could be from

[chrome adder]

Thanks. I'm thinking maybe hydraulic. Is there anything that I could look for that might be a clue?

[plush crown]

If it had one of those part labels I'd be able to locate it down to a specific sector (that little QR on part tags has sector numbers) but this evidently doesn't have that

[chrome adder]

Yeah doesn't seem to.

[real thunder]

why is the hsr so shiny

[jaunty shale]

metal

[devout cave]

that reminds me of that one saturn 5 staging video

[chrome adder]

Yeees

[plush crown]

the sun...

[burnt ridge]

Big if true

[real thunder]

oh you mean thats the shadow of the sun and not a reflection of the earth

makes sense

[real thunder]

re hls demo in 2025,

That seems like someone said by the end of FY25 which was the plan a while ago and sudoer (massive asshole) is now pushing it as factual

[burnt ridge]

Where is this from

[real thunder]

spacexnow discord server

@hearty olive

[sullen rampart]

Andrew is cool

[burnt ridge]

Yeah I mean sudoer says this but also strongly dislikes saying where he gets info, so unless he tells then I’m assuming he pulled it out of his ass

Space Sudoer (@spacesudoer) on X

NEWS: SpaceX will apparently perform the first test flight of Starship HLS in September 2025, expected to launch from Pad 39A in Florida.

Twitter · Nov 22, 2024, 1:02 PM

[real thunder]

rectal sourcing

[sullen rampart]

I mean it makes sense cuz all he says is shit and that's where it comes from

[burnt ridge]

Lmao

[burnt ridge]

AHHHHHH https://fixupx.com/spacex/status/1860006072091836888?s=46

[trail skiff]

https://fixupx.com/spacesudoer/status/1860006579489374483?s=46&t=ZtLCrSXbK9IFZHH5GJzbew

[burnt ridge]

Omg

[west tinsel]

boat

[real thunder]

i cant belive sudoer is our source 💀

[burnt ridge]

Yeah and now I wouldn’t be surprised if his account gets terminated 💀

He posted something he probably wasn’t supposed to

[real thunder]

oh shit the tweet is already deleted

[sullen rampart]

Something something

[real thunder]

therefore elon cant run a successful business

[burnt ridge]

Lmfao

Good thing I saved the image

[real thunder]

i saved the video

from discord, because the tweet was deleted

[burnt ridge]

Oh yeah

I meant video

[unkempt cradle]

I could see this happening from Star base, but a single launch only, like, only to orbit

Maybe a single refuel demonstration

But it wouldn't be September

Closer to November -december

Cause don't they have an active newer HLS mockup at Star base?

Like people have gone to tour inside?

[west tinsel]

I would believe that they are targeting September internally. I would not believe anyone actually believes they're doing that then

[unkempt cradle]

Someone on r/rocketry claimed this was pulled form Twitter but provided no link

[real thunder]

read upchat

[unkempt cradle]

Oh lmfao

[strong plank]

💀

[unkempt cradle]

Mb

[trail skiff]

Saved to like every starship related discord server now tho lmao

[timid cedar]

see that's what happens when you give an idiot confidential information

[strong plank]

wau

[trail skiff]

307

[icy lake]

Wonder if that guy also has S31 floating videos

[mystic cave]

We are closer to the launch of the HLS demo than the first starship flight

[halcyon kiln]

Ooo s31 floating vid?

[halcyon kiln]

Omg

[real thunder]

mine is 983 kB 🤔

[halcyon kiln]

Think it's still out there floating?

[real thunder]

something's alive in the ocean

[halcyon kiln]

Would be cool if they recovered it

[trail skiff]

anyway

[halcyon kiln]

Omg

[strong plank]

holy fucking shit

[halcyon kiln]

Where's that from

[trail skiff]

https://www.tiktok.com/@thadbagby239

[trail skiff]

Nice man on TikTok decided to share them all

[sand trench]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-and-its-gone-sad-talking-its-finished-gif-17584433

[halcyon kiln]

That's awesome

Sonic boom

I can't even recognize those debris

Tank section with chines

The one sinking is crazy

[trail skiff]

Funny seeing it so weak and just sinking then hitting the ground

[real thunder]

we are so blessed

common rgv L

[winged shore]

its to stop spacex getting on at them

if spacex make the TFRs higher or anything because RGV isnt being professional and stuff like that being shared then flyovers would get extremely extremely difficult

thats what they say

[burnt ridge]

YOOOOOO

[trail skiff]

https://x.com/TJ_Cooney/status/1860031910770282766

TJ Cooney 🚀 (@TJ_Cooney) on X

According to the boat captain on the salvage operation:
"I shot it till it sank. It was floating to Mexico. Couldn't let that happen. "

Twitter · Nov 22, 2024, 6:45 PM

[real thunder]

lmaoo https://fixupx.com/spacesudoer/status/1860033060806492203

in response to a repost of the video sudoer posted

[sand trench]

LMFAO

who's gonna listen him
like what he gonna do

X is a FREE SPEECH app 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸

also seems like sudoer left the server? can't find him by @

[lucid pike]

Streisand Effect time

[sullen rampart]

Of all the people

[sullen rampart]

I think he accidentally fell out of a window of the server

[sand trench]

yay

[burnt ridge]

Lmfao he’s cooked and he knows it

[real thunder]

or alternatively fell down the stairs.

[sand trench]

tries to act like he didn't do anything bad and does only good

[real thunder]

https://x.com/TJ_Cooney/status/1860031910770282766

TJ Cooney 🚀 (@TJ_Cooney) on X

According to the boat captain on the salvage operation:
"I shot it till it sank. It was floating to Mexico. Couldn't let that happen. "

Twitter · Nov 22, 2024, 6:45 PM

[teal shell]

Found the videos on a different server

[real thunder]

theyre on all the servers, except rgv

[teal shell]

oh wait

[stray crystal]

I FUCKING CALLED IT

[teal shell]

🐢

lmao

But fuckin jesus

[real thunder]

buttfucking Jesus?

[stray crystal]

@tidal glen @coarse sonnet

[jaunty shale]

what happened

[stray crystal]

Booster sinking footage got leaked by Sudoer

[real thunder]

and someone on tiktok

[teal shell]

Yea I think it was just the guy and sudoer happened to find it

[stray crystal]

Salvage captain apparently shot at the booster until it sank to avoid it floating into Mexico

[jaunty shale]

fair

[strong plank]

wait no fucking way 😭

i thought he was joking

[burnt ridge]

That’s wild

[stray crystal]

I simultaneously love and despise humanity

This is just peak human

[real thunder]

thats wild
funny how you have the same response to booster scuttling and inappropriate things

[winged shore]

fuck you im leaking this cool ass mothafucking video of a massive steel booster sinking in literal seconds

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[real thunder]

a little entertainment for the friday evening :)

igw comment

[halcyon kiln]

Wait so that peice that's sinking is the aft of the booster???

[real thunder]

i just realised its in two pieces at that point

[real thunder]

aand deleted

[teal shell]

lol lmao

[winged shore]

LOX tank

methane tank literally shit itself

into dozens of pieces

[teal shell]

there is a weird resistance in the space "media" circle to leaked content and such

getting people to tell you and show you things you shouldn't see is like, half of journalism

[real thunder]

are the prominent space commentators being hedonist when they discourage the sharing of leaked content

[teal shell]

especially funny when tzero is industry lol

[real thunder]

"only i should have the privilege of seeing leaked footage"

[teal shell]

i think it's also kind of emblematic of the access journalism you see a lot in the musk circle

everyone wants to stay on the good side of elon but at the same time, yeah no if you found something out via sources (nevermind by some tech's incompetence posting to tiktok) that's all fair and square

that said yea source protection is usually a good idea if you want to keep that access

but this reads much more like sudoer suddenly panicking that he did something good ol elon might not love

[carmine shard]

It's not just space, it's something that I see more widely on internet communities

[winged shore]

let’s be real if elon got that footage first he would be twitching trying not to release the footage himself

[carmine shard]

Proud to say that i've already leaked space stuff

[burnt ridge]

It's my go-to response

[teal shell]

like i've leaked shit in a lot of my writing. most of the good journalists i know do, but it's one of those things you also have to personally do the work to vet and caveat as necessary

also not dramatizing helps

[halcyon kiln]

Also this seems pretty harmless it's just the booster floating in water and sinking it's not like raptor injector plates or something

[real thunder]

i like how injector plates are always used as the example of a well kept secret

[halcyon kiln]

Are they

Idk

[opal coral]

there aren’t many really

[winged shore]

what the FUCK did lavie just ADMIT she LEAKED stuff!! i’m reading this info to every space server to exist!!

[teal shell]

If you had like a good photo of the Raptor injector then yea that's probably at least some level of intruguing but for the most part yeah no

It's just one of those things that gets thrown around as "omg itar!!!"

Which also leaking that would be the fault of whoever had direct contact with it, not media as long as they could establish separation

[opal coral]

I was given the example of TVC actuators as something SpaceX tries to keep under wraps and quiet but they seemingly aren’t very good at that either

[real thunder]

message by tse

:O gone from tiktok too

i havent seen this before

[burnt ridge]

Same vibes

[covert fox]

drake!

[real thunder]

tse leak

[trail skiff]

Oh look it’s me

[sullen rampart]

A bit sketchy

But hey you do you boo

Or whatever the saying is

[timid cedar]

that is 100% what it was btw

[timid cedar]

also I just wanna put this out there, the og DM screenshots had the guy's name in it

so that's probably one of the reasons that the OG source took them down

[barren narwhal]

yea so

i dont think that captain is working for spacex any time soon

[teal shell]

this is really funny

idk man if you're gonna go out there yourself snooping on shit and also regularly try to leak info from tours and such with zero attempt at protecting your sources

i don't know that you get to start pearl clutching about tHe LeAkS

[real thunder]

if you're gonna go out there yourself snooping on shit
do you know more than i do

[teal shell]

eh, the boats ™️ are close enough, and the average media operation at starbase is already indistinguishable from professional industrial espionage anyway

[stray crystal]

He needs validation, and he’s not getting it this time. That’s why he’s mad

[winged shore]

[real thunder]

damn oliver salty

[winged shore]

always is

[trail skiff]

True and I think the leaked pictures are more then enough footage we need of B13 after splashdown

[teal shell]

the starbase twittersphere seems to be a shouting contest of "look how much i know" from people with zero actual intuitive knowledge of how anything they're looking at works

[real thunder]

lavie i love these journalistic insights, keep it coming

[teal shell]

and like, it's okay to not know these things - but seeing everyone try to brand themselves as the expert on starship with all the spicy info nobody else has will lead to shit like this lol

[stray crystal]

I just met you and holy you are very based

You have my respect

[stray crystal]

Yeah

[teal shell]

lmao i try my best. just shit you see leading both a media op and doing comms work in the industry

[stray crystal]

Cool

[teal shell]

Hmmmm

[trail skiff]

They have spoken with spacex about there camera locations and told it was all good. They also don’t put anything on the dunes or mudflats

[teal shell]

Fair enough then

And yea ignoring that last sentence as most outlets have their own land in the area

[unkempt cradle]

Lmfao how is it still afloat, B13 refueses to die

[plush crown]

Two things to this. A, mildly ironic posting an email intended to not be public under a post about not leaking information on his part. B, IGW is not a part of SpaceX's media program

We still comply with that though

We've worked in coordination with them over such things but we are not a part of their media roster

[teal shell]

I’m not sure it really matters if you’re credentialed media or not when that’s an FWS ruling lol

[plush crown]

,

I just want to make it clear we are not a part of their media pool so we are not restricted to only SpaceX property

Pretty much everything we do that many seem to deem as risky or something we clear that with SpaceX first...eg, the camera placement, the whole ridgewind thing, among a few other future and/or ongoing projects

Everythings in line

[real thunder]

future projects 👀

[teal shell]

Yeah, but as to your other two points, neither of these really matters when all that’s being quoted is a FWS rule lol. I would probably be slightly more careful about the direct wording if I were sharing it

Also, nothing about that says don’t set cameras off SpaceX property

It just says don’t piss off the FWS by setting it on their property

As to the rest of it there is nothing illegal about what IGW is doing (assuming you are compliant with the FWS), but there is also nothing illegal about as media publishing info that was given to you you would not otherwise be privy to (even if the person who gave you it broke an NDA)

My problem isn’t entirely what y’all are doing, though I will say the pretty… cavalier ops and the amount of money suddenly poured into it definitely raises the sus meter a little bit. So forgive me if that doesn’t immediately pass the sniff test. But I do think the pearl clutching about “leaks bad :(“ is pretty antithetical to being a journalist

You are welcome to not used leaked material. Just… maybe don’t try to claim a moral high ground for it, ya know

[plush crown]

Once again we comply with it

[plush crown]

I totally understand that and I do kind of share that thought. I'm not in charge of social media so I have no control over what Joey posts I think he was kind of just echoing what I've been saying throughout today. I dunno for sure though

[teal shell]

(just got into a meeting so can’t respond)

[trail skiff]

https://vxtwitter.com/spacex/status/1860083533001424973?

Let’s go

[lucid pike]

What's going on

[trail skiff]

Such a sick shot

[carmine shard]

Insane accuracy

[topaz forge]

That's a very scorched Ship

[trail skiff]

Slightly

[long summit]

holy shit

I missed daytime flip views

[coarse sonnet]

goodbye chat

[real thunder]

you know what happens now

[long summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269423840539443240/1309646351218376835/caption.gif

[jaunty shale]

so so clean

[burnt ridge]

Holy sheeit

[real thunder]

is it broken

[carmine shard]

yes

[barren narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574072463659499530/1309649633932480715/caption.gif

[valid comet]

wow

[barren narwhal]

https://tmp.esmbot.net/keiz3tphm1a.gif

[stray crystal]

I think its different cause its the FWS

[plush crown]

Once again we comply with FWS regulations

[stray crystal]

But it says in that letter not to place cams in dunes or mudflats

yet you did

Something about IG is fishy to me tho

[plush crown]

Except we don't

There are multiple places you can feel free to go look at in the EPA but there is very specific information about what areas are defined as each

None of our cameras are in those legally defined areas

[stray crystal]

I just watched your last video, im not stupid like you make me seem

[plush crown]

I never said that whatsoever

If you joined this server just to start drama in another place please leave

[stray crystal]

No i just joined cause i wanted to

and its not drama, im just asking questions

[plush crown]

That ain't a question that's an attempt at an insult. If you have questions then ask them without trying to go all accusatory

[stray crystal]

Do you have a map of the legally defined areas, as well as your cam locations?

Am curious

I could take your word for it but eh

...

Silence here speaks volumes

[plush crown]

Chillax it takes a few minutes to search hundreds of pages of PDFs

[stray crystal]

lol okay

[burnt ridge]

https://fixupx.com/francescospace_/status/1860102160891150520?s=46

[slow storm]

I mean this isn’t necessarily intentional. It’s just that TVCAs are typically packaged in a manner which is less visible, especially after a full dress out. They’re just usually less visible

[plush crown]

Page 118
Page 123
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/PEA_for_SpaceX_Starship_Super_Heavy_at_Boca_Chica_FINAL.pdf

Page 36
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/AppendixC_NationalHistoricPreservationActSection106Consultation_0.pdf

Page 51
Page 66
Page 308
Page 321
Page 329
Page 322
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/AppendixD_EndangeredSpeciesActSection7Consultation.pdf

Page 2
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/Appendix_H_Jurisdictional_Wetland_Determination.pdf

We don't have a map of cameras for Flight 6 but we do for Flight 5. 6 used the same locations only with PTZ2 and two gopros moved, five less gopros in total.
All camera locations that aren't contained within the boundaries of the PDFs listed above are just the roadside cameras...which are, you know, on the road.
Additionally we had Jordan out with us during camera placement and camera retrieval and he approved of every single location right there in person (the two on the island in the center of the frame were moved further west than shown in the map)

[shy star]

Jordan?

[opal coral]

Guy talking about it just might have been wrong about how sensitive they really are tbh

[plush crown]

Spacex environmental director

[stray crystal]

Cool

[shy star]

Huh didn’t know that

[slow storm]

Yeah I mean I can see why a cutaway version or disassembled version would be very problematic. But actuators aren’t major trade secrets. You’re not going to know how to build one by looking at it

This has been floating around for two years https://vxtwitter.com/StarshipGazer/status/1605973237648592900

[plush crown]

They show plenty of closeups of the actuators in their own videos those aren't an issue externally

[slow storm]

I haven't seen any of the videos for a while. But yeah, I don't see why external views would be an issue

[plush crown]

So real quick just so we can make this clear, does this answer your question?

[burnt ridge]

https://x.com/francescospace_/status/1860109556141187403?s=46

Francesco (@francescospace_) on X

Updating this as I find more images. Here’s one shot by NASA astronaut Nick Hague I found on NASA’s Image and Video Library! Shot at around T+3:28 (22:03:28 GMT).

Twitter · Nov 22, 2024, 11:54 PM

[sullen rampart]

It's worth noting SpaceX has much more property around there than the one for the launch site

[plush crown]

I'm aware that's just the primary pad site

[sullen rampart]

Yeah I just note this cuz there's been some folks out there not knowing this putting cameras in SpaceX's lots and then got the tap on the shoulder

[plush crown]

Totally yep

[burnt ridge]

Shots are actually really good https://youtu.be/zGjQTYG4840?si=lrnBfOt0LfcNB-u2

[supple pine]

https://fxtwitter.com/bocasbrain/status/1860036063450063114?s=46&t=SMbYM7wvp4yImXva6dTuCg

[stray crystal]

Yes thank you

very good explanation, I just hope that other people who arent as educated can follow the rules

[plush crown]

True that....unfortunately there's a whole lotta idiots. It was like a madhouse over in the flats during setup

Some guy walked over the property line going closer to the vehicle. Drone approached said guy. Said guy proceeded to flip the drone off

[stray crystal]

💀

Wild

[tidal glen]

this is why we can’t have nice things✨

i HATE anyone who acts like that so much

ruins it for everyone else

[plush crown]

Mhm

much like everyone who decided it was a good idea to spread those leaked videos further

You see it's all a big circle here

[coarse sonnet]

when I'm in a brainless competition and my opponent is michael paul

[tidal glen]

once someone posts it on twitter there’s not much of a difference whether it’s spread around or not tbf

[plush crown]

For once it wasn't michael paul

[coarse sonnet]

he posted them too

[plush crown]

I did manage to get sudoer to delete it within a few minutes but yeah it was far too late. But that was just the video of it at night. The other 4 were found by others so it wasn't just a one person thing

[plush crown]

He wasn't the epicenter though

[tidal glen]

was it people posting things they were told not to post or was it employees being stupid

[plush crown]

both

[sullen rampart]

He's a pretty big pain in the ass aftershock though

[plush crown]

Yeaa

[plush crown]

It's a whole mess so basically some guy who was on it sent it to a friend on facebook, (messages below) said facebook recipient posted it publicly. recipient's wife saw that and posted it on tiktok, which a few hours later sudoer found, in which case he posted that to twitter making everyone aware of it. this might be the first time in history a game of telephone has worked without any information being dropped

all of this is now wiped by the way the facebook posts gone the tiktok account deleted

so yes both

[barren narwhal]

the responsible thing to do would be to message the tiktok account and say how dumb it is to post it and save the guy his job but uh

sudoer doing sudoer things

[opal harness]

Oh they used the Shoot It With Big Guns approach to sink it?

[plush crown]

Yeah

[opal harness]

I still find that hilarious. It is the most American/Texan thing ever.

[barren narwhal]

Do they shoot it with normal guns or a standard industry "remote hole applicator device" which is almost exactly a gun

[plush crown]

it's texas

that should answer your question

[tidal glen]

ah okay yeah i can see how this was sudoers fault lol

[opal harness]

What kind of gun did they use?
I know personally, I would want to use an M107A1, firing incendiary (explosive) ammo.

[sullen rampart]

Big caliber gun attached to the boat

Just like at the Cape

You should see the babies they have inside Doug and Bob to sink Falcons

[opal harness]

Sink Falcons?!
Do we have pictures of these babies?

[opal harness]

Pics?

[sullen rampart]

Yeah so far that's what SpaceX launches from the Cape

[sullen rampart]

It's r-word unfortunately

[opal harness]

Redacted?

[sullen rampart]

ye

[opal harness]

Do you at last know the type?

[timid cedar]

i'd imagine that since the booster's exterior has the general integrity of a couple dozen layers of tin foil, you wouldn't need much more than five M16A4s and a lot of 7.62 ammo

[burnt ridge]

https://x.com/spacerhin0/status/1860300207851737187?s=46&t=T_WU82SAkd1zn4qoxFS1Lg

Rhin0 (@SpaceRhin0) on X

Yesterday, certain... footage, was released of B13, Here an engine which appears to be R387 is visible, However we have seen R387 before on B12 during its launch. While I'm personally not convinced, it does appear that they have possibly reflown an engine! (🧵)
@SpaceX @elonmusk

Twitter · Nov 23, 2024, 12:31 PM

[trail skiff]

Ye it’s a weird one

Does seem to be the same though

[winged shore]

i dont see why they wouldnt be the same engine

both of them quite clearly say 387 to me

[carmine shard]

Wonder how many of B13's raptors were taken from B12

[burnt ridge]

I’m surprised they wouldn’t say anything about it on the webcast

Or even mention it on Twitter

[winged shore]

that doesnt really serve as any evidence against them reusing engines

spacex are known to not release stuff

[winged shore]

there were a significant number of RBs (and presumably RCs too) removed from B12, though theres a few spotted remaining on it so most probably went to mcgregor

im thinking 3 or so engines got reflown

[burnt ridge]

https://x.com/spacerhin0/status/1860300211542806800?s=46
https://x.com/spacerhin0/status/1860300214378041499?s=46

Rhin0 (@SpaceRhin0) on X

Now the main thing that's made me unsure about this is that SpaceX didn't mention that they were reflying an engine. This is unusual as you would expect there to be a big deal about "being on the way to rapid reusability".

Twitter · Nov 23, 2024, 12:31 PM

Rhin0 (@SpaceRhin0) on X

There is also always the chance that we've read either serial incorrectly but both do appear to definitely be a R3_7, however while both appear to be an 8, there is the chance that it could be a 0.

Twitter · Nov 23, 2024, 12:31 PM

[devout cave]

I love watching people figure this shit out in real time

[sand trench]

I mean it literally looks like 307

[devout cave]

it also looks significantly more flown than the other engines lol

[devout cave]

if anything they both look like 307

also uh

they did refly an engine

just not sure if it's this one

[carmine shard]

they reflew at least 2

[real thunder]

387 and 314?

[real thunder]

https://fixupx.com/starlink/status/1860374941117612333?s=46

an image and a video

[smoky compass]

Pixel analysis reveals that there is a curve in (

[sand trench]

LMFAO
https://x.com/HalcyonHypnotic/status/1860050834962415732

Hypnotic (@HalcyonHypnotic) on X

@BocasBrain ITAR police are surrounding your house right now. Hide in the basement, grab your PS5 and RUN 🏃‍♂️

Twitter · Nov 22, 2024, 8:00 PM

[sand trench]

so this image is basically ITAR too

[burnt ridge]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1860346452062392585

[lucid pike]

patch png

[long summit]

they could have at least put it in a hexagon

[sand trench]

YOOO

finally

[sand trench]

hexa-bros

(no offence)

[chrome adder]

I ordered one for me and one for the relative who went with me...

It was cheaper to buy them separately.

Because shipping

[plush crown]

Where's it actually from? Seems more like an emulation than the actual original image

[lucid pike]

https://spacexnow.com/

[opal harness]

M16s fire 5.56x45

[plush crown]

so it's just a recreation

[lucid pike]

Yes, but it's better than nothing

[devout cave]

that thing looks charred as hell holy shit

[plush crown]

re; it's 367, not 387.

[carmine shard]

now people will believe that a raptor wasn't reflown on B13...

[gloomy heath]

You're saying it was?

[plush crown]

(it wasn't)

[devout cave]

LMAO

[opal coral]

yea

oh they weren’t kidding https://fixupx.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1860520765696692557

[west tinsel]

Lol tf??!!

[hazy beacon]

Ra Ra B13, SpaceX's favorite space machine

[sullen rampart]

Are people really surprised they shot at the booster when the PEA from 2022 already contemplated this possibility?

Not to mention they do the exact same thing to Falcon 9

[lucid pike]

that probably makes recovery a lot more difficult if they keep shooting their boosters

[fair pagoda]

It's just an American recovery

[icy lake]

They shot at a F9 Block 3/4 booster in the Atlantic in February 2018 (SES-16/Govsat-1) after it accidentally floated on an expendable booster mission that somehow still makes a landing burn

[sand trench]

Block 3 ☝️

[jaunty shale]

goes hard

[covert fox]

man that's gonna be sloooow flooding

needs to be a torpedo to make it sink fast

[supple pine]

https://fxtwitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1860672566488133681

[real thunder]

is austin barnard related to joe barnard and why is he leaking

[trail skiff]

He’s not leaking and no they’re not lmao

[winged shore]

austin barnard used to work on the booster team

he installed the camera on B12 that has the gridfin shot

works at BO now

[real thunder]

damn

[trail skiff]

Ye he don’t plan on retuning to spacex so he ain’t gotta worry about damaging relations

[winged shore]

we dont know that

[real thunder]

how is it not leaking if its damaging relations

[winged shore]

hes still under NDA

and he only left spacex to finish college

he could easily return when hes done

[trail skiff]

He’s said quite a lot he loves it at blue and has said he don’t plan on going back atm

[real thunder]

spacex fosters an unhealthy work-life balance

[stray crystal]

It's not surprising, but it is hilarious

[halcyon kiln]

Is that the forward section

Or the aft because there's video of the aft floating at night

[sand trench]

that's the one with engines (aft if I get it correctly)

[valid comet]

aft ye

[burnt ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqxKKDBLEdk

[unkempt cradle]

Why does it stop suddenly right before fully submerging? Did it hit the ocean floor? The Gulf is pretty deep so I doubt it

[stray crystal]

Ya it hit the bottom

Pretty shallow there

[chrome adder]

It was quite close to shore, relatively speaking.

[real thunder]

”relatively quite close to the shore”

[burnt ridge]

https://fxtwitter.com/astro_pettit/status/1860942475612864538?s=46

[real thunder]

why the black shadow around the plume

[west tinsel]

Photoshop because the Earth is actually flat

(dark side of the cloud I think)

(it's angled a little weird tho I agree)

[teal shell]

likely just an artifact of any contrast boosting image processing

[supple pine]

https://x.com/interstellargw/status/1861832392882663568?s=46&t=SMbYM7wvp4yImXva6dTuCg

Interstellar Gateway (@interstellargw) on X

Starship S31's debris have returned to Australia!

All sorts of items, ranging from tiles, COPV tanks, and other components from the Starship upper stage have been brought back to shore for further analysis 🧵

Twitter · Nov 27, 2024, 6:00 PM

[latent merlin]

S31 can be reused

[long summit]

https://tenor.com/view/six-million-dollar-man-rebuild-him-we-have-the-technology-we-can-bionic-gif-20304473

[covert fox]

wonder if they could just... use steering thrusters near the top to slow it down as it tumbles into the water and then that can be its emergency landing mode

[sand trench]

I keep seeing ppl who thinks banana on Flight 6 was real/biological (not stuffed/plastic)

[tawdry kernel]

i am one of them

[sand trench]

[covert fox]

ripe banana stem isn't so tough that you can just tie it up and expect it to survive all those vibrations

plus the bay is not pressurized right? the outgassing would need to be considered. wait a minute...

if it's not pressurized... it has to withstand compression as it's coming in

also, outgassed bananas would be an excellent novelty food

[mellow spear]

idk if people know this but bananas become bruised when they are too cold

so it would have probably darkened in a matter of seconds

[real thunder]

is it cold in the payload bay?

[mellow spear]

uhhh yeah

it isn't even pressurized how cold do you think it is

[real thunder]

well frankly i hypothesise the banana would keep its temperature quite well because the only way in which the heat is dissipated is through radiation, which is slow

but i wonder what the temperature in the payload bay would be at liftoff with the sun heating heating up the ship and the propellant cooling down the ship

[burnt ridge]

It wasn’t even a real banana

[real thunder]

~~why is it called heating when the sun heat heat up the ship heat down out the banana ~~

[mellow spear]

oh wait it wasnt?

never mind then

[opal coral]

I didn’t know if it was real or not but the evidence saying it’s not is pretty convincing

[burnt ridge]

Nah it was a plush

They said it was a plush on the webcast

[mellow spear]

then yeah it didn't become bruised

[real thunder]

"first biological payload" my ass

[opal coral]

oh really? I missed that then oop

[burnt ridge]

Because I thought it was real too and then I rewatched the webcast and they said it was a plush

I mean I’m pretty sure anyway, maybe would be a good idea to fact check me

[mellow spear]

I don't think it matters because rockets pass the Karman line in 3 minutes so the temperature would have dropped very rapidly

[real thunder]

why do you think it is cold in space

[mellow spear]

in LEO at least

on the surface of celestial bodies yeah no

it is cold but if you are facing the sun that's when it isn't pretty much

[opal coral]

It’s <the concept of ambient temperature is not useful here> in space

But inside starship it might be pretty chilly at first what with all the cryogens nearby

and during reentry it was probably very hot

[burnt ridge]

Haven’t seen this tracking before, it’s really good https://youtu.be/KBssNyjZeE0?si=LJ9j7-QHSAmxTJR9

[real thunder]

undefined degrees

[mellow spear]

without a source of heat, space is very very cold

[chrome adder]

Isn't that just a freeze-dried banana?

[chrome adder]

Dinosaurs

[mellow spear]

it would be shriveled up and dark brown from the cold

not your typical frozen banana

[chrome adder]

But vacuum

[mellow spear]

I think it would be all bruised

but it was a fake one so that's why it was fine

[teal shell]

well sure but the idea of “hot” and “cold” really stop working the way you’d think they would

all heat transfer is either conductive by direct contact or radiative

which others have said, but yeah it’d be probably not cooling down real fast

a real banana might explode tho (if not vented)

[real thunder]

banana vented

[halcyon kiln]

Banana vent

[chrome adder]

T+4 banana vent

[tidal glen]

how do you vent it? stab it with a fork?😭😭

[opal coral]

or a skewer

[mellow spear]

ehh I don't think it would have exploded

the peel is more permeable than you might think it's not an air tight seal for the contents inside

it would've just gotten brown and maybe smaller

[short folio]

What if it was a real banana soaked in formaldehyde?

(I know it wasn't)

[teal shell]

yeah but we’re also talking peak depress rates (if controlled properly> around 0.1psi/sec

if uncontrolled peak can be much higher

[teal shell]

i mean you can always throw one in a vacuum chamber and find out

it also might just uneventfully come open

[tidal glen]

would you have to worry about water boil off?

[halcyon kiln]

wonderful

banna discusion

[chrome adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dpEG-eRgBs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U22Nxk75s2Y

[teal shell]

incredible

genuinely didn’t think it’d be fine

gg

[chrome adder]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0w6OTf3kyR0

(this last one doesn't have a peel)

[opal coral]

always neat to find out someone did that

[covert fox]

so does that mean... we don't need pressurized space suits anymore? just have temperature regulation and we're all good!

assuming a human is interchangeable with a banana in a vacuum

anyone got a human in a a vacuum videos?

[real thunder]

since there is so much debate about what exactly would kill a human in space and how fast it would happen, i have a suggestion

[halcyon kiln]

Let's find out

[real thunder]

i ask for one (1) brave volunteer from the audience

[winged shore]

@ashen lynx said he wants to volunteer

[coarse sonnet]

mememememememeeeeee!

[burnt ridge]

I would be ok with this

[chrome adder]

Scott Manley said "IFT-6"

[real thunder]

based

[chrome adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGdQoSyYzQQ

[burnt ridge]

Yeah it pisses me off

#1025438364775747584 message

He knows it’s wrong

[mystic cave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732509550606942272/1298345156684288050/togif.gif

[mystic cave]

Yeah i love the guys content and everything but his recent stuff has noticeably been lacking

[real thunder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025052459447619614/1310004245759655986/starship_flights_ift_satan.png?ex=674ed8c6&is=674d8746&hm=797e39fee0c3d645555012596a311396cd47324047f14a00b7e53e7b3d086f1c&

[timid cedar]

oh no he said a phrase

does this mean I should be mad at people who call MR-3 "Freedom 7"

[burnt ridge]

No because that’s the name of it

They are not called IFTs

[chrome adder]

I really don't care lol

I just knew it would drive some people crazy

[timid cedar]

it is such a non-issue though

does that really matter
like
at all

[coarse sonnet]

yes

Flight or death

[timid cedar]

well of course you'd descend from Mt Sinai and say as much

[burnt ridge]

This

[plush crown]

Yes

[plush crown]

FLT as an abbreviation is also acceptable

[burnt ridge]

[limpid nebula]

IFT

[burnt ridge]

No

[limpid nebula]

[tawdry kernel]

SOFT

[carmine shard]

https://x.com/spacex/status/1725834753537188097

SpaceX (@SpaceX) on X

All systems and weather are go for the second integrated flight test of Starship. Today's webcast will go live ~35 minutes ahead of liftoff → https://t.co/bJFjLCiTbK

Twitter · Nov 18, 2023, 11:14 AM

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1768231845551096149

SpaceX (@SpaceX) on X

Weather is 70% favorable for today’s third integrated flight test of Starship.

The live webcast will begin ~30 minutes before liftoff, which is currently targeted for 7:30 a.m. CT → https://t.co/G1H8uoTxWD

Twitter · Mar 14, 2024, 11:04 AM

[barren narwhal]

huh

[carmine shard]

integrated flight test is a perfectly fine name for the early starship quasi orbital launches, interchangeable with flight test
being long name, they can be abbreviated as IFT or FT

[barren narwhal]

ohh yea they stopped after 3rd

[carmine shard]

https://spacenews.com/spacex-sets-early-june-launch-of-next-starship-test-flight/
https://aviationweek.com/taxonomy/term/158851

Reputed news also say Integrated flight test for the 4th and 5th Superheavy launch

[tawdry kernel]

why are we even fighting about this of all things

[carmine shard]

so while Flight test is prefered for these launches, Integrated flight test is also used

[barren narwhal]

someone needs to ask elon or gwynne or jared at this point

or someone important idk

[sand trench]

I meeean NXF uses different mission names even for F9s

So what's the deal with Starships

As long as everyone understands it's a 5th flight, it's fine

It's not like Starlink Mission #210 and Starlink Group 6-65

[barren narwhal]

we should just call it "the sixth time the thing did the thing" then

unironically

[sand trench]

The 6th doohikey

[plush crown]

people within the company call it different names what exactly makes you think an outside news article would be definitive

[carmine shard]

1. Source matter, an article from a famous journal is a more quotable source
2. Language is malleable, if it is widely reported as a name then it becomes a viable name

also internal names kinda don't matter?

lots of companies have internal naming for various thing which is entirely irrelevant to anyone outside, the PR is what matters

[long summit]

the 6th doohikey took off, and the thingamabob performed a offshore divert instead of being caught by the whatchamacallit

[plush crown]

the "internal" name is literally just designated as flight. There's no acronym there. it's a word. it's correct

[sand trench]

[carmine shard]

ok but as I said internal name don't matter

[plush crown]

the word flight is irrelevant? even though that's literally what they call the damn thing publicly too?

[carmine shard]

SX calls one way for 1-3, and other articles call it another way for 1-3, SX calls it another way for 4-5, articles call it one way for 4-5 , both are semantically correct, both are correct, both are interchangeable

IFT=FT

[plush crown]

you're going on about only using the public PR name but they've literally never said IFT. integrated flight test, sure, on flights 1 and 3, but never the acronym

[buoyant zealot]

why do you care so much

[opal coral]

what matters for our purposes is that both of them can be called both names equally as validly

[carmine shard]

integrated flight test = IFT = FT = Flight test

Acronyms obviously are a shortening

[plush crown]

so what's wrong with FLT then?

they call them flights

[carmine shard]

nothing, thought kinda weirder acronym

first letter is genreally prefered

FT

[plush crown]

it's not an acronym it's an abbreviation

[carmine shard]

FLT is a bit weirder

[plush crown]

two different things

[carmine shard]

same shit

shortening

[timid cedar]

y'all are still on this?

[carmine shard]

call it whatever you want

[plush crown]

yeah for some reason

[carmine shard]

just saying that it all means the same thing

[devout cave]

god it's not that deep lol
just call it something, as long as everyone understands what you're referring to does it actually matter?

[carmine shard]

yeah

IFT is instantly recognisible in the entire spaceflight community

Flight or Flight test already needs a bit more context, or you then have to use Starship flight test

as it is right now in written form IFT is the shortest way to unambiguously name starship flights

[plush crown]

love how you say yeah but then continue trying to justify it somehow

[sand trench]

Literally the same like Starlink Group 12-1 and Starlink 12-1

[carmine shard]

Yes, i agree with haylee and continue their point

everybody understands it!

[chrome adder]

Integrated Death Test 6

[short folio]

Can't wait for IFT-7.

(tbh I don't care much about what it's called, I just think it's funny when people get worked up about it)

I wonder what the chances are SpaceX does another naming change and it becomes F<number>

[teal shell]

The IFTs will continue until morale improves

(the people yearn for another STS-like designator)

[sand trench]

IFT-243 launching Starlink V3.5 satellites to orbit from LC-39Ab

[short folio]

It would fall perfectly in line with SpaceX's inconsistent naming schemes and the evolution of the starship, booster, (and raptor?) serial numbers to have just one letter at the start.

Wait the raptors have multiple letters bc variants

[teal shell]

When IFT-56 lands on the moon I will make sure to remind that one guy that threw a fit on Twitter about it

[lucid pike]

What actually pisses me off is that he called CZ-12 a "Falcon 9 clone"

Out of all the Chinese F9 copies CZ-12 is the least similar

[unkempt cradle]

You actually got me surprised I thought they was launching the next one lmfao

Idk why

[burnt ridge]

💀

[sand trench]

💀

[sand trench]

Starship jumpscare

[valid comet]

IFT until it launches actual payloads (not pathfinders or dummy or tests) then SF (ship flight) and SHF (superheavy flight) (different bc on some missions the ship will launch more than once (and without the booster) (see artemis/future mars missions where it lands, then re-launches) )

[sullen rampart]

Wut

I swear a lot of people will be very disappointed when Starship is on the 3000th flight and it's still doing test flights lol

I'd recommend having a way wider view of the program than "oh it's still a test and it's not carrying and '''actual''' payload, therefore this flight doesn't make Starship '''really''' '''''operational''''' so therefore I'm gonna make up my super duper extra special nomenclature for this"

Michael once in the day made the variants of Starship in a very similar sense on the app and I've gotten rid of most of it cause I think it's very constraining and silly imo. He had still the full stack flights marked as "prototype" and I'm like well yeah, we'll probably be in Ship 400 and Booster 230 and those might still be considered a "prototype" under whatever made up rule one wants to come up with

So I changed that, because it's dumb

[sand trench]

[valid comet]

are these not flight tests though? once they're doing commercial missions like launching satellites or things like that (after the first sat launch ofc) then itd be a normal flight

unless you count a foam banana as an actual payload

[sullen rampart]

Those will still be test flights

[valid comet]

how?

is falcon 9 still doing test lfights?

[sullen rampart]

The same way the space shuttle was still an experimental test vehicle after 135 flights. Because Starship is not your rinky dinky Atlas, Vulcan, or Titan rocket, it's a completely new and experimental vehicle

[valid comet]

okay sure the shuttle might have technically been an "experimental test vehicle" but did anyone actually refer to it as such?

[sullen rampart]

Trying to carry over this sort of "baggage" of how to name a program and a rocket operational or not depending on whether it launches a payload or not is completely flawed in my opinion

[sullen rampart]

Ask the CAIB

One of the results from that investigation was that NASA should have never called it off as operational after four flights. That it was a highly experimental and risky test vehicle and it should have been treated as such.

[valid comet]

falcon 9 was a completely new vehicle style as well, launch a stage into space and vertically land

[sullen rampart]

Which is proving my point because we didn't need stupid special nomenclatures for flights that were considered "tests"

Like the first flight didn't carry any payloads and it's just Falcon 9 Flight 1

It carry a dummy Dragon on top to simulate aerodynamics and that's it

[valid comet]

what about falcon heavy?

[sullen rampart]

Falcon Heavy Demo Flight?

[valid comet]

it carried a dummy payload and was called a test mission, then when it carried actual payloads those werent tests

according to SpaceX "Falcon Heavy Test Flight"

[sullen rampart]

Yeah

So you agree then that probably if it had kept being tested for six flights in a row and had been launching dummy payloads all the time, SpaceX would have called it "Falcon Heavy's sixth test flight" am I right?

Because...

[valid comet]

yes, because those would be test flights

[sullen rampart]

Right

[valid comet]

what purpose do these current flights have?

to test stages of flights and reentry

and recovery

[sullen rampart]

As well as building up experience launching Starship which they had none of it just a year and a half ago

As SpaceX says "the payload is data" or some stuff like that

[valid comet]

once the primary purpose is to launch payload, it will not be a test flight

[sullen rampart]

Okay so flight 8 it is then

Which coincidentally is the first flight into orbit and the first ship catch. But that's not a test flight

[valid comet]

i wouldnt say launching payload is the sole primary purpose, the test of the ship catch and orbital insertion is also a primary purpose

[sullen rampart]

See now we're moving the goalposts 😅

Now it's not just enough that it is launching a payload

Because there's more stuff

[valid comet]

once none of the purposes of a flight is to test launch, reentry, or landing, then it will be a normal flight

[sullen rampart]

So it'll keep being a "non normal flight" for hundreds of flights then

By the way does in space prop refilling count too in the list of things that doesn't make it a "normal flight"? I ask just to add it to the list of extra things on top of "it needs to launch a payload"

[valid comet]

id say that the launch phase, hotstaging, boostback burn and ship reentry and landing are all "flight proven"

[valid comet]

once they start prop refillings, those will be "prop refill tests", not "test flights" because that is in-mission, whereas the first manned one will be a manned test flight

once that is proven then those will just be normal segments of flight

[covert fox]

SN1
IFT1

Number 1 <---- ????
Flight 1

IFT is more consistent with SN

as for normal flight hmm
we need an acronym for that when the time comes

[devout cave]

I mean we could do the sane thing that everyone does and call it by the payload name lol

[valid comet]

or starship flight # and superheavy flight #

(so a launch after say, the first lunar landing + return, might be starship flight 152 superheavy flight 151 (or Flight 152:151)

[plush crown]

Is it so hard to just call it flight like oh my goodness why are we dying on this hill it's the only one that makes sense for both phases and it's actually used

[valid comet]

because the ship and booster will have differing numbers of launches

[sullen rampart]

Then call them UNINTEGRATED flights