Starliner Crew Flight Test

[arctic hearth]

It'd be a different president and he's too old already

[naive veldt]

oh how old?

[distant goblet]

I come from the future where Harris is the 47th president. Its administrator pam malroy

Joke

[cursive crater]

81

[arctic hearth]

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case

[naive veldt]

quite old. he shouldve run for president lol

[arctic hearth]

I mean Bill was already too old when Biden appointed him but this would be a different president, not sure Harris would keep him around anyways

[cursive crater]

let the man just go to sleep he looked tired enough in this conference

[neon bane]

"When I'm president, America's number one priority will be safety"

[distant goblet]

Bill stepping down after one term was the plan from the beginning

I doubt that changed when biden ran for election and especially now

[arctic hearth]

Usually the tradition has been that even if the president sticks around for another term, the NASA admin offers to move out of their position as a polite move. Most of the time this doesn't go through and they're asked to stay.

[distant goblet]

Its a bit funny that the initial plan of biden stepping down after one term and harris run for 2024 ended up happening anyways

[arctic hearth]

But this wouldn't be another term, this would be a whole new presidency and cabinet and all so...

[distant goblet]

No, im expecting a bit of continuity if harris wins

But not nelson

[fading mauve]

lmao

[neon bane]

I had an impression the plan was biden steps down and they do another round of candidate debates, and only chose harris because she wouldn't outshine biden

[distant goblet]

I disagree

Tim was a harris 2020 supporter. Tim believes that at the time harris was the strongest vp candidate despite her missteps during the campaign. Tim doesn’t pretend to know what the plan was exactly like in 2021 but probably no one expected the election to play out like this back then.

I don’t think Nelson was particularly a strong administrator option and part of the reason why pam was attached to deputy position in a similar way like biden/harris

[naive veldt]

hey guys, ive made a overview and FAQs of todays conference. have a look. for any doubts

[candid willow]

Tim?

[brave magnet]

Tim Walz I think

[candid willow]

Ah

[fading mauve]

harris was chosen as she’s the person tapped to suceed biden if he can’t finish his term, so given that he didn’t want to finish the race it makes sense to pick her, plus like no one challenged her, AND she was the only one who could pull from the infrastructure and funding that biden/harris 2024 already had

an open convention would’ve been a huge mess but this was clean

[naive veldt]

is she really the most unpopular vice president ever?

say honestly

[naive veldt]

@arctic hearth is it useful a bit?

[candid willow]

Nah that's probably Spiro Agnew

[fading mauve]

idk abt that, but as soon as she moved into the president slot she shot up in the polls

up past trump by a point in a lot of swing states

[naive veldt]

but everyone is saying its just that liberal media is too biased and is creating the non-existent hype around her..

[fading mauve]

nah

people are hyped not to have a geriatric running

harris has energy and vigor

[naive veldt]

well, externally, so does trump. he really doesnt feel 78

[fading mauve]

yeah he does lol

bro couldn’t stay awake for natsec briefings

[naive veldt]

He also didnt age following presidency, while others just got too tired visually

[fading mauve]

barely campaigns

[naive veldt]

i see him everywhere in twitter though...

his videos, what not

if he loses, im sure he will run for 2028 too

[candid willow]

Why do we keep having politics conversations in the Starliner channel

[fading mauve]

because it takes so much energy to tweet…?

plus twitter is a right wing echo chamber at this point

[naive veldt]

just because i followed elon musk before, so my feed is filled with Trump supporters like matt wallace and many unknowns... even though im just an indian

[candid willow]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-hill-off-topic-mopaiv-spacebuilder-alex-dunn-gif-19842686

[naive veldt]

his videos everywhere i see

[fading mauve]

.

[naive veldt]

okay off topic, sorry

[opaque kettle]

I thought their core value was pushing boundaries

[distant goblet]

I am tim

[opaque kettle]

Are you the tim you were talking about?

[harsh junco]

tim (third person)

Can't wait for OFT-3

[fading mauve]

if starliner is over what happens to the atlases

[distant goblet]

Kuiper

Or rocket garden

[safe juniper]

maybe they will be sold

or sent to museums all over the US

[harsh junco]

actually a damn good question since DEC is pretty specific to memeliner

[distant goblet]

Its just a collar

They can replace that if needed

[static crown]

DEC probably could still do regular Atlas missions without any issues

new surprise variant: Atlas V 522

[distant goblet]

They will probably display one in CFT config in the rocket garden and one at ohio

Rest into operational payload

[static crown]

Damn actually would they be able to make fairings for those Atlases...

[half spade]

Making custom fairings is not really that hard

[static crown]

Even if they could just slap some Vulcan fairings on do they even still have the capability of making adapters

[half spade]

hmm right

[static crown]

Because N22 basically has a 400 series Centaur adapter but that fairing has been retired

And the 500 uses a different adapter

[harsh junco]

has RUAG killed the prod line for 5m atlas fairing yet

also just remembered they both have the wrong and too few solids for anything useful

two AJ-60A, versus Kuiper needing 5 GEM-63

[opaque kettle]

put the xl boosters on it it’ll be fine

(it won’t be but shhh)

[fading mauve]

strap 2 F9s to the side

[azure wyvern]

Dude I can’t believe one of those hard-core Starliner defenders I came across on Twitter is currently actively replying and pouring copium out on NASA management “politically forcing” the move to Dragon, in 2 different languages
I usually give respect to them but this is going into NASA conspiracy territory…
|| https://x.com/sturmf1/with_replies||

[harsh junco]

lmao
https://fxtwitter.com/sturmf1/status/1822028474619478117

oh wait that was made before the fram2 announcement

excusable then

[arctic hearth]

Yeah it's what happens when one has no clue what other stuff is going on at SpaceX lol

Also because no one gives a fuck if SpaceX swaps capsules like who cares

They have four, with a fifth incoming

If they had only those two (like Boeing), sure, be concerned all you want but c'mon

[distant goblet]

i think youre being uncharitable here. ultimately theres a lot of politics going on (small p not big P) and theres a strong Dragon single source faction at NASA

the onerous was on boeing to prove the latter wrong and they were not able to do that (even though there was very little chance they could anyways)

they spareheaded the dissent and convinced management. was it fair? yeah probably. ultimately the contractors need to put up or shut up.

was it fair for starliner team to complain about this? probably. but the agency makes decision that benefits the agency

[vernal wren]

Also Boeing didn’t help themselves in any of this

Maybe SpaceX is getting the benefit of the doubt but that’s how it works

[sage gyro]

Spacex probably provides better communication and insight into what’s happening and knows what to do about the problems

However I don’t think Boeing still knows why they have these problems

[distant goblet]

I won't concure with that

waiting for someone to FOIA the slidedecks

[safe juniper]

i think boeing just fcked up

big time

[sage gyro]

Slide decks?

[distant goblet]

data on the thrusters and video

[fading mauve]

what happens with the suits

[empty jackal]

[harsh junco]

Artemis server is Having a Normal One

I love how they all self label by making the mod role shit brown

at least they're self aware

[fading mauve]

can we not do drama please thanks

[jade kestrel]

^

[naive veldt]

^

[plucky cradle]

rip starliner ahd high hopes

[arctic hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/its-karen-it's-karen-karen-it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-karen-philadelphia-gif-18156971751044503816

[harsh junco]

(spittle flying everywhere) "uh, ethcuse me, moderators, someone is saying something too accurate for this server"

[empty jackal]

LMAO

[sage gyro]

They locked it again

And they’re just banning anyone that disagrees with them

[arctic hearth]

Business as usual

[plucky cradle]

similar to gregory orvells movie "fun again in 1986"

what if orwell made adam sandler type movies instead

[distant goblet]

It will be interesting to watch how long NASA will drag out the process until they terminate the program

[plucky cradle]

y e a r s

[distant goblet]

I don't think NASA can pretend to do that for that long

[plucky cradle]

its nasa they might

[harsh junco]

EUS is still around

[distant goblet]

EUS is going fine

different situation

[distant goblet]

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1827494387061838290?t=htQn21w1pbopoqdyVLi6Hg

Jeff Foust (@jeff_foust) on X

One of the first congressional comments on the Starliner decision, from the top Democrats on the House Science Committee.

Twitter · Aug 24, 2024, 11:53 PM

we now have congressional pressure to kill it

https://twitter.com/gregwautry/status/1827463124624273613?s=46&t=ILcusoVeJybqi7lIJidZwA

Greg Autry🚀 (@GregWAutry) on X

Join @RealPNavarro and I on @Bannons_WarRoom at 10:30ET Monday as we take apart the VP's dismal record as Chair of the National Space Council.

Under Kamala's leadership American astronauts have been stuck in space, NASA science missions are failing, and President Trump's bold

Twitter · Aug 24, 2024, 9:48 PM

Also if trump wins starliner is definitely dead

[arctic hearth]

What a clown

[harsh junco]

"president trump's bold plan" lmao

[arctic hearth]

The plan: go to the moon of mars

Or some blabbering

When Boeing had the two 737 Max accidents, who was the POTUS?

Cuz I think it was the "bold plan" fella

I dunno, maybe Boeing just fucking sucks regardless of president

[distant goblet]

more to the point that imo if trump wins, NASA will terminate the contract and give the remaining flights to spacex

i dont know what it would be like under harris

they will agree to terminate, and everything else after that is a questionmark

[harsh junco]

blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut

I'm just waiting for SpaceX to say "hey uh actually C214 is a thing" at this point

[distant goblet]

well they would do it for musk reasons not because theyre smart

different things

[harsh junco]

same outcome tbh

[distant goblet]

theyre gonna contract spacex for 10 flights and then all the sudden iss deorbits in 2028 and they will be like but musk is good we cant terminate the contract

[harsh junco]

the world if congress didn't decide to roleplay as rocket scientists for entertainment and profit

[distant goblet]

Also someone should remove starliner 1 from the mission manifest

[bright sedge]

So what's the TL;DR

Nvm I saw the NSF article

[formal drift]

I read this as a pretty generic statement and not anything that could be considered as pressure to kill Starliner

[distant goblet]

"implication of the commercial crew public pirvate partnership experiment on future NASA human spaceflight and exploration arrangements going forward"

its a pretty aggressive statement

[empty jackal]

Artemis discord server is absolutely WILDING out rn

Like

Some crazy stupid opinions in there

[distant goblet]

Like?

what stupid opinion? pray tell?

[arctic hearth]

So business as usual

[wanton smelt]

people acting like the two are stuck in space alone 😭😭

[distant goblet]

oh btw im right about this
and its genuinely sad that people are taking nelson's statement at face value come the fuck on

[fading mauve]

it’s not cancelled so no

esp not with nasa’s current line being starliner is still happening

[distant goblet]

its in flux, so officialy tbd

[distant goblet]

that is worth nothing when nelson is outgoing

[fading mauve]

i hate how starliner has so many issues for so many reasons but like IT IS SO GOOD LOOKING COME ON

[little sinew]

there are no decision officially yet on Starliner fate lmfao
NASA is waiting for a recovery of the spacecraft AFAIK

[fading mauve]

well if the new admin kills it then that’s when it’s killed

[distant goblet]

I don’t think starliner team took it as certainty and i think you shouldnt either

[azure wyvern]

I wouldn't be too shocked if Boeing pull the plug first
But I guess if that happens it won't be till somewhere in 2025

[distant goblet]

Mid 2025 is my guess

NASA won’t pull out

[fading mauve]

we also shouldnt take it as certain that it isn’t happening

therefore nothing for the manifest

[distant goblet]

at this point if NASA wants a secondary crew capability they need to give boeing more money

and that is simply not something that can be supported by the current budget

[distant goblet]

tbd

[distant goblet]

https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/1827406244094599349?s=46&t=Ae74Zro_4EhLiUwjEOzcZA

NASA Watch (@NASAWatch) on X

It's easy for @NASA to say that now. That decision will be made after the election and regardless of who wins it is unlikely that @SenBillNelson will be making that call.

Twitter · Aug 24, 2024, 6:02 PM

[bright sedge]

If they had to evacuate right now and it happened to have thruster failures on entry I don't think the news "ISS evacuated, 2 dead" would sit well with the public

[fading mauve]

can we not even put that energy out there

actually horrifying to think about

[safe juniper]

wouldnt be ideal

[neon bane]

the Russians are pulling ahead in incidents though need to catch up

in this paper incidents = developments that may lead to health endangerment

accidents = actually did lead to health endangerment

it's not something very nice to think about, but the ideal probability of death per mission is not zero

because aiming for zero would freeze up any sort of progress

just gotta aim to keep mortality rates lower than China, the biggest current rival

the mortality rate has been zero since the end of the shuttle era

that Soyuz really has been reliable

but the current environment worrisome, with Russia under sanctions. I hope NASA is quietly making sure Soyuz gets the maintenance parts it needs

[empty jackal]

https://vxtwitter.com/SpaceBasedFox/status/1827602965840134452

[empty jackal]

Pick through this thread https://x.com/xdnibor/status/1827403541050212613?s=46

Robin (@xdNiBoR) on X

Small 🧵 with some gems ✨

Twitter · Aug 24, 2024, 5:52 PM

[empty jackal]

https://x.com/PhoebePlague/status/1827416402837565951

Bee!!! 🇺🇦 🇵🇸 (@PhoebePlague) on X

Good morning, today is day 243 of our 8 day stay on board the ISS

Twitter · Aug 24, 2024, 6:43 PM

[distant goblet]

If they actually need to evacuate right now they will all be stuffed on crew-8. What NASA said about Starliner still approved for emergency is just being diplomatic. Would not happen irl

Or NASA will try to. Given the crew they will probably ignore that and go on starliner. But NASA will not command that from the ground. And the crew will get some consequences after landing but theres nothing NASA could do to force them to do anything on the ISS

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/DJSnM/status/1827745771275550842

Scott Manley (@DJSnM) on X

The most successful Starliner flight so far had Jebediah Kerman on board.
#KerbalSpaceProgram

Twitter · Aug 25, 2024, 4:32 PM

LOL

[safe juniper]

true

[jovial sphinx]

Ngl I haven't paid much attention while I was on vacation

and uh

wow

[zealous robin]

Do is starliner coming back with crew-8?

And also how?

Are they gonna send extra seats on crew-9?

[cursive crater]

no

crew 8 will undock normally after crew 9 arrives

crew 9 will launch with 2 astronauts

[zealous robin]

Oh

[cursive crater]

then there’s also gonna be 2 suits for suni and butch

they’re gonna do the crew 9 mission and fill in as the mission specialists

and then return on crew 9

[zealous robin]

I see

[cursive crater]

feb 2025 is their return

[zealous robin]

So they will have stayed for like nearly a year then right?

[granite dock]

8 months

[cursive crater]

uh

yeah

[zealous robin]

Oh

Long

[granite dock]

Yes

[cursive crater]

8 days into 8 months

slight delay

[granite dock]

Was supposed to be 8 days

[zealous robin]

Not too bad

Didn't delay it too much

Things slip that's okay

[granite dock]

Just an average Starlink delay

[cursive crater]

L17

[distant goblet]

https://twitter.com/spaceabhi/status/1827754556589318609?s=46&t=QpkZ4Q7xOPtnn2rVy5ObtA

Abhi Tripathi (@SpaceAbhi) on X

The history of US space flight has shown that the vast majority of the public won’t remember any of your failures (at whatever the cost to the taxpayer) if you ultimately succeed.

Twitter · Aug 25, 2024, 5:06 PM

• NASA officials making this argument at contract renegotiation

[vernal wren]

Their suits can’t interface with dragon so kinda tough to use it

Anyone have a mockup as to where they’d go in dragon?

[distant goblet]

You mean like drawing? Because they did describe the plan in the conference

[static crown]

Wait so... was the thruster issue not observed on OFT-1 or 2 at all?

Like not even an indication?

[arctic hearth]

OFT-2 had a thruster issue with a very similar look at the thruster issue they've had on this flight

In fact Steve Stich said that during deorbit burn for OFT-2 one of the thrusters on the starboard doghouse went out because it overheated while the OMACs were firing and they think that the CFT Starliner will probably also see that

[static crown]

Is the issue specific to the SM thrusters? I did watch the conference yesterday but I don't remember a bunch of the technical stuff they said while explaining it

[arctic hearth]

There's a teflon seal on the poppet valves of the thrusters that when it overheats it just gets bloated and it stops sealing, in turn making it difficult for the oxidizer to get to the combustion chamber of the thruster and therefore preventing it from reaching full thrust.

They think it overheats for multiple reasons. One of them being that they likely didn't model the temperature distribution given the amount of uses of the thruster on the way uphill and downhill. The more you use it, the more it heats up, and that seeps up through the body of the thruster out to the poppet valve and the teflon seal

Another is that some of these thrusters are enclosed in a doghouse next to the big OMAC thrusters. These produce a lot more thrust and a lot more heat so being in close proximity to them means it is easier for the maneuvering thrusters to heat up quickly

This is their theory based on all the simulations and data-gathering through the testing they've been doing at White Sands

So knowing this, the big uncertainty was things like... will it happen again in such a way that the thrusters may malfunction on the way down... will it be okay if we change it to just not fire as much after it undocks... what if the thermal expansion has deformed the teflon in such a way that it is now like that forever and the thrusters will see degraded performance all the time... what if multiple thrusters go out at once... etc etc etc

Just a bunch of things that add up to a lot of uncertainty. "It's not worth the risk" as they put it

I have no idea if the capsule thrusters have the same design but thankfully those are used for only 30 minutes

[harsh junco]

https://fxtwitter.com/KenKirtland17/status/1827429995167535158

[opaque kettle]

falls flat for me since Toyotas are reliable

[empty jackal]

Fr

Toyotas are great

[zealous robin]

Flew to the station in s Ford pinto, coming back in a Dodge

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/nypost/status/1827824857095999944
LMAO tabloids are now smelling blood…

New York Post (@nypost) on X

Boeing employees ‘humiliated’ that upstart rival SpaceX will rescue astronauts stuck in space: ‘It’s shameful’ https://t.co/trjLNKj5Xu

Twitter · Aug 25, 2024, 9:46 PM

[static crown]

They always make it sound like Butch and Suni are trapped on a remote island

I wouldn't exactly call being onboard a marvel of engineering where you can fucking float and you have plenty of supplies and several other people as well as a contingency return plan "stranded"

Ngl I feel bad for them, not because they'll be in space for 8 months but because they have been involved with Starliner's development for a while

I can't imagine the disappointment of not being able to fully complete the CFT

[neon bane]

https://x.com/daveginvesting/status/1827882747110502502?t=b8LuHE7teEkEcekLWJ_M_w&s=19

Dave G (@daveginvesting) on X

@DJSnM Do we know why the un-crewed test flight didn't have this thruster problem?

Twitter · Aug 26, 2024, 1:36 AM

good quet

question

[neon bane]

oh.

[distant goblet]

Im just gonna say it here, jordan noone is dumb

you simply cannot make statements like that unless you have seen the data or is supported by public information which neither is true for him

[lime pumice]

Suni and Butch will be rhe first astronauts to travel on 4 types of space vehicles???

[empty jackal]

4?

Oh

Shuttle
Soyuz
Starliner
Dragon

Huh

[lime pumice]

Yeah, wierd no one spoke about it

[azure wyvern]

Actually not quite
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=60593.msg2618410#msg2618410

John Young has them beaten, by more than 40 years. He flew on Gemini (twice), Apollo CSM (edit: twice), Apollo LM, and the Space Shuttle (twice). Although they were of course all owned by the same entity (NASA).

(One could also argue that Thomas Stafford flew on four spacecraft: Gemini, Apollo CSM, Apollo LM, and Soyuz (I assume he visited the Soyuz during the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project). And if you count the ISS as a spacecraft, Williams and Wilmore are already flying on their fourth spacecraft; but then a Dragon return would yield them their fifth spacecraft.)

[lime pumice]

And will suni be the one with most expeditions?

[lime pumice]

Apollo LM and CSM technically can be considered one as they were launched in the same launch

[harsh junco]

they are independent spacecraft

[lime pumice]

Expedition wise who is the most?

[safe juniper]

LM and CSM are definitely two different spacecraft

[distant goblet]

Better tell the apollo 13 crew

[plucky cradle]

4 independently launched vehicles

Suni and butch deserve this title

[jovial sphinx]

Haven’t some astronauts flown four different Space Shuttles, by that definition?

Like TK Mattingly flew Apollo CSM, Enterprise, Columbia, and I think Challenger?

[plucky cradle]

ok well thats just kinda dumb

because then every soyuz capsule is a little differnt and we have to draw the line somewhere

also suni flew on 2 differnet shuttles

the shuttles are the same vehicle just with different modifications

randomname essay incoming

[short crest]

CSM and LM are both technically occupied by crew at launch (CSM when launching from Earth, LM when launching from Moon)

I understand why some people want to group the CSM and LM together for this kind of thing, but it really makes no sense for a whole host of reasons

[plucky cradle]

well then the soyuz is 2 different craft and the landing pod launches from space

[short crest]

It doesn't even separate from the ISS using propulsion

It's literally just pushed off by springs iirc

If that counts as a launch anything counts as a launch

[plucky cradle]

springs are a release of energy to push somthing in that case

so its a type of space craft propulsion

someone add that to wikipedia

[short crest]

I'd argue John Young's 4 spacecraft (which includes CSM and LM) is a more justifiable 4 spacecraft than Butch and Suni's 4 spacecraft, since he's done a full launch and landing in each of them (even if that's on the Moon in the LM's case)

Whereas Butch and Suni will have only done the launch part of Starliner, and only the landing part of Dragon

[plucky cradle]

time to get butch and suni on dreamchaser ig

[azure wyvern]

Starliner undock from ISS confirmed for September 6, 22:04 UTC

[bright sedge]

Jumping does this

[plucky cradle]

add jumping too

[arctic hearth]

So

Falcon 9 is grounded and Starliner can't return Suni and Butch

They're stuck on the ISS for real now

lol

[sage gyro]

Soyuz /s

[safe juniper]

shenzhou

[fading mauve]

yeah i just had that thought lol

this is uh

unfortunate

[half spade]

Still better than Salyut 6 between Salyut 33 and 34

[distant goblet]

How are they stuck? This doesnt affect the plan of putting seats on c8 capsule at all

[arctic hearth]

They're not returning on crew-8 tho

[distant goblet]

The emergency plan is, if they NEED to return theyre fine

[fading mauve]

they’re not stuck they’re just not in as good of a position as they were

[empty jackal]

Omg wow that’s wild

[opaque kettle]

if it were true it would be

[neon bane]

Falcon 9 is grounded?

because of the failed barge landing of that one booster a day ago?

[granite dock]

Yes

[empty jackal]

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1829279952447082827

Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) on X

As expected, Starliner is set to fly home without crew on September 6. New NASA update:

Twitter · Aug 29, 2024, 10:08 PM

[harsh junco]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-my-way-commoner-beyonce-sassy-get-out-of-my-way-walking-gif-17305527

Dragon

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1829575602698858779
Interesting, even John Shannon is there

Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) on X

We'll finally hear from Boeing officials, publicly, next week after Starliner lands.

https://t.co/ecZKNrOFS3

Twitter · Aug 30, 2024, 5:43 PM

[distant goblet]

Oh boy EVEN more boilerplate PR that's going to be meaningless in a few months

"we're fully committed to support the program, good thing the media isn't going to report on the internal program dynamics and fully blames boeing so no one is going to look too deep into this"

[azure wyvern]

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=61434.0

LMAO

[empty jackal]

Starliner

Why

Can’t

You

Just

Be

Normal

[bright sedge]

https://fixupx.com/spacebasedfox/status/1830180273130242223?s=46

[faint portal]

The Machine Spirit Is Restless

[jovial sphinx]

what-

yeah I'm no sound engineer
but that is suboptimal

[jovial sphinx]

also by the way, there is some serious meme potential here

[wind laurel]

LMAO???

[dusk ingot]

Probably something rotating but sonar is funnier

[wind laurel]

it longs for the sea

[fathom prism]

guarantee you they just gotta turn it off and on again

[fading mauve]

wait what

[cursive crater]

i know whats wrong

it aint got no gas in it

[distant goblet]

Its most likely not from starliner btw

It sounds like atypical audio feedback with a significant delay.

I've actually heard feedback sound like this in very specific circumstances, such as in an extremely quiet environment with a huge ping delay in a very slow internet setup.

For example, if you put a microphone and a speaker on opposite sides of a very quiet warehouse, and then transmitted the audio with a 500ms delay, it would end up sounding just like this.

There is a 500 milliseconds return ping between earth and ISS, which happens to be the same delay between these pulses that we're hearing.

And it would have to be in a very quiet room to avoid additional sounds "blowing out" the feedback sound into a high-pitched screech that feedback normally sounds like.

So it is likely that in some totally quiet, closed room at NASA a microphone is open, and transmitting sound to the starliner speakers, and across the room from that microphone at NASA is a speaker, playing the sound coming down from starliner with a huge delay.

normally we're used to audio feedback being a screech, but there is a range when the sounds are very quiet and barely able to generate feedback when it sounds like this, and doesn't get any louder. Especially when there's a massive delay.

I'm confident that the press release will say "it was a microphone left open transmitting sound to the module" , or something like that.

Of course, the microphone can't be inside the craft because it would pick up other sounds and cause a feedback runaway that would be much louder and higher pitched.

Why does the sound have a hollow, trailing off kind of "echo" sound to it? That's the echoes in the room at NASA being recorded over and over again into the feedback loop.

if left for long enough, you would expect those echoes to increase gradually every minute, until eventually the sound becomes a continuous feedback whine.

In the 60s, many shows generated sci-fi sound effects in a very similar way - using analogue audio feedback and large delays.

I expect that when somebody at nasa walks into the room and makes a loud noise, it will cause piercing feedback noise for them and in the starliner module.```

[empty jackal]

LMAO

[vernal wren]

Am I missing something with this “microphone in the room” thing g

Why would a random microphone being transmitting to starliner. Wouldn’t they know?

[empty jackal]

OMG

[plucky cradle]

She yerns for the dance floor

can we pin this

[empty jackal]

Please pin this

It’s amazing

[neat flax]

Can be scraped 1 time

[little sinew]

do u have rights to pin? @azure wyvern

we need to do that ASAP

[azure wyvern]

I don't have alas

[little sinew]

and mods are asleep, It's joever

[empty jackal]

LETS GOOO

THANKS MADDIE

[short crest]

Managers should be able to pin and unpin messages

[short crest]

(they are able to)

[little sinew]

sadge the thread gonna vanish in the depth of Forum list once the capsule lands and the activity drops

[bright sedge]

I'll repost it in #générał-space

[cursive crater]

music bot try not to use 'LIVE SLUG REACTION' sticker challenge

[timber zealot]

impossible

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/jeff_foust/status/1830612976115806221
LMAO NASA actually had to release a statement

Jeff Foust (@jeff_foust) on X

The pinging noise heard on Starliner over the weekend over the weekend was just an audio configuration issue, NASA says in an emailed statement this morning.

Twitter · Sep 2, 2024, 2:25 PM

[half spade]

predictably audio feedback nothingburger

[jovial sphinx]

is there any channel or something that runs mission control audio to the ISS 24/7 that we could listen to?

[jovial sphinx]

better safe than sorry
every one in eight comments on it I saw was some sort of version of "haha Starliner is breaking even more stuff lmaooooo"

[neon bane]

space casuals are so dramatic 🤣

[distant goblet]

This is some kind of nonsense. Dragon had a gazillion of issues that never gets reported on, in fact some poor esa intern tweeted them out and then got punished for it during crew 7. Maybe don’t overreact?

[short crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_79y0yZs0dc

[plucky cradle]

byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[distant goblet]

Probability of boeing getting removed from the press conference again?

[arctic hearth]

Again?

[distant goblet]

they were removed from the past ones, even the last one where they were supposed to be there

[arctic hearth]

They were? I thought they were only gonna be on the post landing one

[azure wyvern]

So your sources said that they were planning to send people to press briefings but NASA stopped that?

[distant goblet]

not my sources, NASA literally said they disinvited boeing people at the press conference

i might have misread the prior press release though

[azure wyvern]

One or two IIRC, but not in the sense of a hard "removed" per the statements

[safe juniper]

oh yeah starliner is coming back

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1832174421672419734
🍔

Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) on X

Here we go.

https://t.co/wUXoX6uuWS

Twitter · Sep 6, 2024, 9:49 PM

[cursive basin]

borgar

[sage gyro]

8 day mission turned into 262 days

[safe juniper]

go for undock

[short crest]

Separation confirmed

[safe juniper]

bye bye starliner

[harsh junco]

Memeliner go bye bye

[jovial sphinx]

insert wall-e joke or rick and morty joke here

[harsh junco]

all 27 firing

[safe juniper]

nice

[harsh junco]

please do The Funny live

[jovial sphinx]

please don't spin

please dont do the meme

[harsh junco]

YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND

[jovial sphinx]

NO

[harsh junco]

BABY RIGHT ROUND

LIKE A RECORD BABY

[jovial sphinx]

DON'T DO THE NAUKA

[azure wyvern]

OK that’s a definitely much quicker break away speed than during OFT-2 IIRC

[jovial sphinx]

PLEASE GOD

[safe juniper]

its all good i think

[jovial sphinx]

me knows

very cool rcs firings

also what gives with that black mark

was that always there?

[harsh junco]

B4

[distant goblet]

people not realizing that the main challenges of starliner continuing has nothing to do with whether or not boeing can technically perform:

[harsh junco]

yes they just never replaced that after OFT-1

[distant goblet]

its not replaceable

[azure wyvern]

IIRC the actual rendezvous and docking of Nauka after it had engine problems was fine, the problem is thrusters were too fine after hard mate

[cursive basin]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-laser-eyes-angry-cat-cyclops-nara-gif-26030753

[remote hawk]

All nominal so far.

[harsh junco]

B6

[jovial sphinx]

mixed it with the Progress-Mir incident

my b

I was more referring to the spin anyways

[harsh junco]

B8

cmon

B10

[safe juniper]

there

12

[harsh junco]

dammit, better luck next time

[safe juniper]

no

shut up

get out

[fading mauve]

yeah it was designed to get it tfo

[safe juniper]

starliner fans only

[azure wyvern]

Well de-orbit to landing is the big one

[azure wyvern]

Did I remember correctly it was said this will become standard procedure in the future

[jovial sphinx]

?

[fading mauve]

if it works i wonder if butch and suni will feel a tad miffed

[jovial sphinx]

I'd kinda be

[fading mauve]

not sure

[empty jackal]

RCS is cool

[empty jackal]

I would

[distant goblet]

theres no way to know, the uncrewed docking procedure is harsher than the crewed one

former working perfectly doesnt mean the latter would (also probably what certain people will argue later in the program)

[harsh junco]

10:17:13PM Central D/O burn, 59 sec

129.9m/s

[azure wyvern]

If I were them I wouldn’t like to bet on that small probability of shit happening

[fading mauve]

i mean yeah that’s probably it

[cursive crater]

is this the first time ive seen cosmic swear

[empty jackal]

Me when https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1236312536543133741/1281738280492339260/s.gif?ex=66dccf4b&is=66db7dcb&hm=0ff3f4a37f6281f9d93b04db704219b5e6997a6768ec4c566dc59cbfedf769d5&

[azure wyvern]

Can I borrow your GIF to post on my Twitter

[empty jackal]

Yeah ofc

[cursive basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236312536543133741/1281740267971411968/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_3.gif

[fading mauve]

it better not

[empty jackal]

Woah https://vxtwitter.com/SpoxSpace/status/1832178906125783473

[azure wyvern]

I think this is intentional?

[safe juniper]

i think it is

[distant goblet]

you would be surprised

like people are saying the crew were refusing to go on starliner when it was in fact the opposite...

theres a reason why NASA said the crew's input has nothing to do with the decision. its not what people think

[azure wyvern]

That's why I'm not a test pilot

[distant goblet]

there are valid reasons why NASA has been pushing back on test pilot shitfuckery

[zealous robin]

is the updated renetry time?

[azure wyvern]

Did people really said that the crew really has an opinion lol

[distant goblet]

I mean its not hard to find out what their opinion is

Just that it doesn’t matter

[viscid ice]

What time Re-entry?

[distant goblet]

Ive just seen too many posts on reddit that thinks the crew was going to refuse to get into starliner

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1832166540168646816

deorbit ignition is expected at 11:17:13pm (03:17 UTC); landing at White Sands, New Mexico, is on tap at 12:00:52am EDT (0400 UTC, 10:00:52pm local time)

William Harwood (@cbs_spacenews) on X

CFT Starliner: Good afternoon; we're standing by for undocking of Boeing's Starliner crew ferry ship for its unpiloted return to Earth; undocking from the ISS Harmony module's forward port is expected at 6:04pm EDT (2204 UTC); deorbit ignition is expected at 11:17:13pm (03:17

Twitter · Sep 6, 2024, 9:18 PM

[viscid ice]

thx

[neat flax]

It blown up yet?

[bright sedge]

line starrer

[azure wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mObfa7Gdky4
"Flight Test"

[empty jackal]

[distant goblet]

well its a flight and its a test, dont see a problem

[harsh junco]

https://fxtwitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1832252244009292088

[distant goblet]

gona wait for an official report

[azure wyvern]

Oh wait that’s the CM thrusters. Hmm.
At least people can inspect this one

[harsh junco]

didn't the OMACs give trouble too?

[vernal wren]

https://x.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1832252836308029476?s=46&t=0Le5vZqjpKqOaLGUTwd_rw

William Harwood (@cbs_spacenews) on X

CFT Starliner: NASA managers have polled 'go' for the de-orbit burn; the NASA commentator says one of 12 thrusters on the Starliner command module failed to fire during a post-undocking test, but the thrusters are arranged in two sets of six and only one such "string" is used

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 3:01 AM

[digital hollow]

Guys

[harsh junco]

have literally all of the thrusters had failures on this flight?

[digital hollow]

Do you know if this will be visible on SoCal

[distant goblet]

no

[harsh junco]

yes tim? you were saying?

[distant goblet]

as in what kind of failure

[digital hollow]

Okay word I’ll get to doing silly biddings tn

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/nasa/status/1832124522725552474?s=61

NASA (@NASA) on X

Spot #Starliner on its way back to Earth! After the spacecraft undocks from the @Space_Station on Sept. 6, it will soar through Earth's skies before landing in New Mexico. If you're on the visibility path (all times MT) and skies are clear, look up and you might see it.

Twitter · Sep 6, 2024, 6:31 PM

[vernal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

[digital hollow]

Thankyouuuu

[wanton smelt]

can you imagine if boeing enabled live comments

[vagrant kindle]

Slander would commence

[vernal wren]

https://x.com/wapodavenport/status/1832254818267648242?s=46&t=0Le5vZqjpKqOaLGUTwd_rw

Christian Davenport (@wapodavenport) on X

As Starliner was backing away from the station one of the thrusters did not fire as expected, NASA says. Still, it should not pose a problem. "So although this means a slight loss of redundancy, it shouldn't keep Starliner from getting through reentry and landing as expected."

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 3:09 AM

[bright sedge]

Shitliner returnge

[fading mauve]

good burn🤯

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/boeingspace/status/1832257766431375770?s=61

Boeing Space (@BoeingSpace) on X

The service module has jettisoned, and #Starliner is angling for reentry.

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 3:21 AM

[arctic hearth]

It did the thing

[distant goblet]

im so excited for the spin <3

[arctic hearth]

Bye bye

[zealous robin]

"expect peformance issues"

idk if this is referring to the actual data plots, or reffering to the actual capsule

eiother way

still faunny

[distant goblet]

computer lol

[zealous robin]

starliner is gonna blackout and go into the coma

[empty jackal]

Tracking views

[fading mauve]

1/4 is wild

WOAH

that’s sick as fuck

shoutout CRONUS

[viscid ice]

wow, that was sick

[fading mauve]

i wonder if Butch and Suni are watching out the window

[still arrow]

probably

really cool shot tho

I'm surprised that was the first time I've seen it

[empty jackal]

id say so

[azure wyvern]

Those diffraction patterns look sick

[fading mauve]

lmao that was cool seeing the deployment

[empty jackal]

WOAH

mountain jumpscare

lets hope we get all 3 chutes deployed nominally

mains

ok they all deployed good and full

[still arrow]

the look good

[empty jackal]

one was a little iffy for a sec

[still arrow]

completely normal

*nominal

[empty jackal]

hs deploy

airbags

[still arrow]

Do it again I wasn't looking

[empty jackal]

thats awesome

amazing views tonight

Touchdown!

[still arrow]

Tango delta

[candid willow]

There it is

[fading mauve]

good to see it came back safe

[empty jackal]

Looks like Butch and Suni would've been A-okay

[still arrow]

Why didnt they return on it anyway

[candid willow]

Risk mitigation

[empty jackal]

just didn't want to take unnecessary risks

[candid willow]

They weren't sure if the thrusters would work again

They did, but they didn't want to risk it with crew

[static crown]

She's home

[still arrow]

doesn't it have plenty of backup thrusters

and the HS was already flight proven too

[empty jackal]

the hs wasn't the concern here though

[still arrow]

for reentry it is

[empty jackal]

yeah, but even those were malfunctioning

[still arrow]

it probably has a safer HS than orion

Oh

that makes sense

[empty jackal]

yeah but people were just worried it wouldn't get that far even, bc it might not have been able to deorbit at all

[static crown]

Too much uncertainty with the thrusters basically

[still arrow]

yup

How close did it land to the runway?

Last time it was right on the center line

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/AP/status/1832271165487808925
That's a way to put it...

The Associated Press (@AP) on X

BREAKING: Boeing's troubled space capsule ends mission with a landing in the New Mexico desert, leaving two astronauts in orbit until next year because NASA judged their return too risky. https://t.co/lo3bGeu3Ws

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 4:14 AM

[little sinew]

LMFAO

https://fixupx.com/sbarky38/status/1832259904993681841

[static crown]

[neon bane]

[empty jackal]

LMAOOOO

[distant goblet]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Please change commcrew

[fading mauve]

why can’t people be normal

https://fxtwitter.com/IsidroLeonM/status/1832266066770407904

[opaque kettle]

wait does someone actually agree with me on these for once? nice

[still arrow]

I like the music

[zealous robin]

does that also mean she landed on her ass?

[bright sedge]

So it went fine?

[arctic hearth]

https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1832283941920801135?s=46&t=d8_mkJIGW7h5bqvjbfk5eA

Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) on X

Just confirmed that there will be no Boeing representatives at the post-landing Starliner news conference. (John Shannon and Mark Nappi were originally supposed to be here). Asked NASA why. Response: "You'll have to ask them." So what's up @BoeingSpace?

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 5:05 AM

[distant goblet]

see i told you

[empty jackal]

Never doubt Tim (except for sometimes)

[fading mauve]

is it not a normal opinion to think it’s kinda gross

[arctic hearth]

Chair game https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1832285299579179152

Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) on X

It's seemingly a last minute change because there were five chairs set up at the news conference here at JSC, and they just removed two seats right now.

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 5:10 AM

[short crest]

Well this should be an interesting press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2INMWLsb19M

Here we go...

[remote hawk]

https://x.com/StephenClark1/status/1832293535405449320

Stephen Clark (@StephenClark1) on X

In a post-landing press conference, Steve Stich, NASA's commercial crew program manager, makes it sound like the agency wants to move straight into Starliner certification and operational crew rotation flights.

"We're now focused on Starliner-1."

When that happens? Who knows.

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 5:43 AM

[distant goblet]

yep, just confirmed that they dont know if they required another test flight or not

👍

nothing unexpected so far

[opaque kettle]

i certainly think it is normal

[distant goblet]

TLDR: not committed to starliner-1 yet, going to wait for the data, might announce some decision a month from now

[azure wyvern]

Man, that's a highly uncertain statement given this is from Boeing

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1832299846872772877

Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) on X

NASA officials here are confident that Boeing will continue the Commercial Crew Program. However, it's odd that the Boeing officials aren't here saying the same. Moreover, the one public quote from Boeing tonight is not exactly screaming commitment.

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 6:08 AM

[distant goblet]

I think both sides know that a successful reentry with no issues was the most likely outcome and that its not going to change how certain decisions were made

Lol

Basically still really bad for starliner

ie this isnt going to convince the people that wants to cancel starliner and give rest of the contract to dragon

[safe juniper]

the view of re entry from the ISS was so cool

[plucky cradle]

-Message sent 2048

[distant goblet]

We’re not making it to 2048

[plucky cradle]

not with that attitude

[distant goblet]

Im sure speed tape will fix ROS leaks.

[cursive basin]

https://fixupx.com/Cmdr_Hadfield/status/1832403018157060303

literally sex

[little sinew]

[zealous robin]

starliner pulled out

[safe juniper]

sex in 4k

[wanton smelt]

nxf members will either be extremely nerdy about some rockets going to space

or insanely sex deprived

and there is ZERO in between

[fading mauve]

that makes sense though

[opaque kettle]

tbh nerds aren’t known for being sexy

however

being horny on main is still worth a bonk

[static crown]

what if I'm both

[distant goblet]

https://twitter.com/mslindsey42/status/1832377210662977975

Lindsey Eady (@mslindsey42) on X

my man & I had a crazy disagreement the other day. Bottom line, I was right. I respectfully choose not to throw it in his face that I was right bc 1. he’s my partner 2. I don’t want to embarrass him with facts of how I was right & 3. we’re in this together for a while I hope 🤷🏽‍♀️

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 11:15 AM

LMAO

[static crown]

?

[distant goblet]

Hint: this is about starliner

[sage gyro]

Ye but who is it

[harsh junco]

Boeing and NASA

[sage gyro]

Oh I get it now

Lmao

[neon bane]

who was right though

NASA I guess

[sage gyro]

Boeing since it was fine

[neon bane]

that's the most sloppy logic ever lol

just because it was fine once doesn't mean it had a decent margin of safety

https://tenor.com/view/but-did-you-die-ken-jeong-gif-4930689

[wanton smelt]

https://x.com/nathans_codes/status/1832292157027242170

Nathan (@nathans_codes) on X

⚠️⚠️BREAKING NEWS⚠️⚠️
Boeing caught STEALING PERMANENT MODULE from ISS and RETURNING IT TO EARTH‼️‼️‼️

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 5:37 AM

[neon bane]

man imagine if Isaacman pulled off a heist like that. he'd be my hero!

[zealous robin]

OH NO!

[distant goblet]

Lmao
Lets just say this decision was made not based on technical data

The people who wants to give the remaining contracts to spacex did this precisely to cheat starliner out of cert. they did their job. A perfectly safe landing does not change this lmao

The program is still going to be cancelled

Most likely scenario is NASA demanding another self funded test flight to placet the spacex faction

Dragon had worse margins and near misses but was allowed to proceed because theres no other option (they in fact hinted at this at the press conference). Starliner was not allowed to fix their issues. THATS THE ENTIRE REASON WHY SPACEX SUPPORTERS PUSHED FOR UNCREWED RETURN.

It represented the best way to get the program canceled regardless of a safe landing

[candid willow]

Tim I know you got screwed by Astra but not literally everything is a corporate conspiracy

[distant goblet]

Its not a conspiracy

🤭

I just think people who thinks starliner is saved have no idea what actually happened

[candid willow]

Oh Starliner is getting canned yeah

[sage gyro]

This seems a little bit far fetched

[candid willow]

But I don't think SpaceX fans within NASA pulled the strings in some massive plot to hand the contract to Musk

[neon bane]

extremely farfetched

[distant goblet]

Lmao people here literally defended [redacted]’s spacex fanboyism despite the fact that he sits pretty high up on commcrew and signs off on starliner stuff

[neon bane]

starliner literally failed to dock on their first demo flight and had to try again

[distant goblet]

“Yeah hes justified to cheerlead on spacex because spacex has been performing better” do you see how as a higher up in commcrew this is not impartial

[neon bane]

software issues. and they still had issues the second time with thrusters. now with astronauts' lives on the line, they are still having issues

Dragon worked out all their issues since Cargo Dragon

why are you talking about cheerleaders or whatever

[distant goblet]

When cargo dragon had thruster issues they were still allowed to dock with the ISS

[neon bane]

talk about actual performance when it counts

[distant goblet]

When [redacted] didnt work the astronauts just did extra work

[neon bane]

when you say you're ready to get astronauts to the ISS and back you should really be ready. this incident shows there's some communications or accountability issues inside Boeing

[distant goblet]

SpaceX complained about prime cheerleading but when its the other way around its fine?

[candid willow]

NASA doesn't return crew on Starliner because they don't want to risk a small chance of failure with crew while stating they still have confidence in Starliner
Starliner lands successfully and the small chance of failure doesn't happen
Clearly this is a plot by SpaceX fans to destroy the competition

[distant goblet]

Youre mistaken diplomatic public statements and also grouping the entirely of commcrew as unanimous

Its not the case

Lmao

[neon bane]

thruster failures and helium leaks are not caused by diplomatic statements

[distant goblet]

“Still confident in starliner” is some empty statement when you think polaris is awesome but starliner is unsafe and shouldn’t have ever been flown

[harsh junco]

Tim I'm sorry but we've got to cut you off from the tinfoil

[distant goblet]

Shouldnt this make you happy miranda? Dont you want to give the remaining contract to spacex

[harsh junco]

well, yeah, but you don't have to make up some dumb conspiracy theory about no one having confidence in McDonnell Douglas in the year of our lord 2024, they've done it to themselves

[distant goblet]

Because i think biases towards any particular contractor is bad

Wild thoughts i know

[neon bane]

maybe it's impossible to make a crew capsule from scratch on the budget they bid for. then maybe they should've been smart and worked their way up from a cargo capsule like SpaceX. or if they realized they were in deep shit they should've said so and pulled out

[distant goblet]

“Its not a conspiracy because theyre justified in being biased towards spacex” is not an argument lmao

[harsh junco]

it's not bias, it's demonstrated performance and confidence gained over like a dozen crewed flights

[distant goblet]

And they’re not allowing starliner to gain cert because reasons lol

[neon bane]

reasons yes. concrete reasons.

[distant goblet]

C4 had a major potential LoC problem that they were never able to reduced down to safe margins but there was never a call to return uncrewed because lol soyuz

[harsh junco]

"because reasons" my sibling in christ they have flown three missions and had mission ending problems on two and many near misses on one

[neon bane]

you do recall that crew demo on Dragon went without flaws right? and Starliner had helium leaks and overheating RCS

[distant goblet]

Thats not true they literally mentioned major safety problems on dm-2 at the last press conference

Lmao

But they continued because uncle sam needs an American capsule

[opaque kettle]

You are describing a conspiracy here

[distant goblet]

The overheating was within margin

[distant goblet]

They literally said it was 🥰

I personally think contractors need to put up or shut up about double standards but pretending it doesn’t exist or that biases towards any particular contractor is justified is pretty fucking dumb

Because you want crewed dream chaser? Fuck you spacex better

[neon bane]

14 successful crew dragon missions to date. so from the data highlighting dragon's issues is what looks like diplomacy to me

13*

[distant goblet]

And stitch said putting crew on starliner for the landing would have been a success too but too late!

Not going to convince the spacex faction lmao

[neon bane]

I'm the data faction

[arctic hearth]

This whole conspiracy reminds me of SpaceX fanboys when Demo-1 and -2 kept being pushed wellllll before anyone got to fly their spacecraft and they said NASA wanted Boeing to be first

[distant goblet]

Alex you probably know who im talking about on commcrew

Anyways as long as he remains on the program starliner is dead

“But the data” lmao

[half spade]

I imagine that boeing doesn't really want to bring this to courts for years

Although I guess it could do quite a bit of damage to both organizations if they do

[neon bane]

what if Boeing sells the project to someone else

like Blue Origin 🤔

[empty jackal]

Then we would get this https://fxtwitter.com/SemrauDylan/status/1646301853875937281

[neon bane]

lmao amazing

[empty jackal]

https://fxtwitter.com/SemrauDylan/status/1646301656663879681?t=jb69t8ylATHPt7s-ztjP5A&s=19

[distant goblet]

Probably not, considering that the overall sentiment outside of comcrew within NASA is that if Boeing wanted the leniency spacex got they should have flown earlier

I would imagine that this would be the same in public

[harsh junco]

they did in fact consider this

blue has their own crew vehicle program now though (well, revived and revised version of their old one)

[neon bane]

hmm

how far along are they?

maybe it's worth it to fix Starliner, earn some cash doing missions, and then get back to their own

[half spade]

Still some biconic shit?

I hope they do a big ass 7m diameter capsule

[harsh junco]

🙃

[pine cedar]

Still concepts

It’s not a high priority program

[harsh junco]

when did you last hear that?

because, well, given recent events

[sage gyro]

I can’t imagine it ever goes to the station tho

[static crown]

Yeah the ISS will probably be retired by the time BO flies their own crew capsule

[harsh junco]

heh

well, barring the ROS completely destroying itself...

let's just put it this way

[sage gyro]

ROS?

[harsh junco]

certain companies are smelling MDD's blood in the water

[harsh junco]

russian orbital segment

what an interesting job posting for a new glenn third stage I wonder what else it could be used for
https://spacecrew.com/space-jobs/lspqej8f-blue-origin-principal-vehicle-operations-integrator-gs3-r39572

[static crown]

Российский Орбитальный Сегмент

[sage gyro]

So it’s been made priority?

[harsh junco]

idk about priority

[sage gyro]

Oh alr

[distant goblet]

No amount of “priority” is gonna make blue magik out a capsule in 5 years

[harsh junco]

but it'd be realllllllyyyyyyy funny if they did

[distant goblet]

Also lol the spacex factions isnt going to like BO capsule

At least BO is smart enough to demo blue moon before HLS

[harsh junco]

whatever "SpaceX faction" may exist isn't powerful enough to completely kill Space Vehicle, esp considering they're gonna do it one way or the other

[distant goblet]

It would just be an independent vehicle outside of NASA

[harsh junco]

in a worst case scenario yes

[distant goblet]

Under the current plan NASA wouldn’t be a part of this

But if BO somehow magik out a capsule that can dock to the ISS before it deorbits no way they would be allowed to lmao

Only way i see it happening is if blue moon mk2 lands before HLS

[static crown]

I'm so confused by this argument

[distant goblet]

Blue’s lander schedule is incredibly aggressive compared to starship HLS despite being contracted later
The only way i can see spacex faction losing out is if blue demonstrates faster and better technical abilities than spacex

[jovial sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-nope-im-out-im-backing-out-need-to-go-gif-13496649

[candid willow]

Real

[pine cedar]

Even given recent events New Glenn, Blue Moon, and Blue Ring are the top priorities within blue

[sage gyro]

There’s a big difference between blues landed and starship, starship was always gonna take longer as it’s so much bigger and complicated

[half spade]

Is it?

from a basic look of it, the Blue Moon architecture is complicated too.

[sage gyro]

It’s not a whole new rocket though

[half spade]

well, it's unflown yet

Cislunar transporter is probably as much of a challenge as Starship depot

[distant goblet]

blue is doing a landing demo next year

[sage gyro]

Doubt it since spacex are meant to be doing the hls demo in 2026

[distant goblet]

"HLS is more complicated" but HLS is contracted for earlier flights than blue moon they should be finished earlier

[sage gyro]

Since when?

[half spade]

MK1

[distant goblet]

https://spacenews.com/blue-origin-aims-to-launch-first-lunar-lander-in-2025/

[sage gyro]

I wonder how on track that actually is

[granite dock]

Targeting March

[half spade]

Berger believes 2025 is possible, but march is very optimistic iirc

[sage gyro]

Not really fair though they’ve had such little time and have done a lot in that time

[distant goblet]

is it? they have about the same amount of dev time by now

[half spade]

A 2nd new glenn launch in march is already a tall order

[sage gyro]

Does this thing actually carry people though

[harsh junco]

Mk1 is a very different beast to Mk2

[distant goblet]

its an uncrewed demo

[sage gyro]

Ye but there’s a difference between a version which can’t even carry crew and one that can

[distant goblet]

its very aggressive campaign and it feels like bo looked at starliner and decided well maybe we dont want that kind of policy dog wagging

[half spade]

it's like, 1/2 to 1/3 smaller

20 ish tons vs 60 tons full or something?

no ascent capabilities either, or docking

[distant goblet]

*3rd

[sage gyro]

To develop two completely different things

[half spade]

3rd lmao

[harsh junco]

MK1 is analogous to Cargo Dragon 1 whereas MK2 is Crew Dragon
could they modify it to cram crew in? probably, that's basically what the NT bid was, but they're going bigger and better for SLD

[granite dock]

Might be 2nd now with EscaPADE delayed to Spring 2025

[half spade]

Get NG to launch this year, then maybe a 2nd launch in Q2, quicker would be very surprising, especilaly with the upper stage troubles

[distant goblet]

ESCAPADE is fucked if they dont launch a second one by march

[half spade]

also they had 4 NG in production iirc? If 2 Upper stages are out maybe launching a 3rd NG anytime soonmay be difficult

[distant goblet]

well maybe if they decided to delay escapade to 2026

[harsh junco]

4 GS1 6 5 GS2 last I heard

[half spade]

Interesting, thanks

[harsh junco]

again, GS2-SN002 is fine

only 003 is toast

[half spade]

🤔

[sage gyro]

Surprised the outcome of the test didn’t impact the other second stages

[half spade]

Descriptions I've seen is that both 2nd and 3rd are ded, at least the tanks for the 2nd, maybe they can salvage the propulsive section and avionics and all that

[harsh junco]

they depressed the tanks on 002, but they were able to repair it iirc, the bloomberg article describes it

them describing the 003 failure as an explosion is funny though because it was a water press test lmao

no explosives involved

[distant goblet]

point is that the only way i see blue convincing people at NASA for a crewed iss demo is if they somehow exceed HLS timeline and somehow lands MK2 uncrewed before HLS does

[half spade]

https://vxtwitter.com/rfa_space/status/1749791940504084903/video/1

pop!

[sage gyro]

Or they just randomly show up with a crew capsule

[harsh junco]

yep, bingo

[distant goblet]

yeah nah

[harsh junco]

(also applies to a lesser degree on aluminum!)

[sage gyro]

Be funny if they did though, they are secretive after all

[harsh junco]

honestly quite glad blue is blowing shit up now. at least something is happening. god bless david limp

[sage gyro]

Would be nice if they shared once in a while though

[distant goblet]

there are only so many crewed spacecraft people going around

although [redacted] going to blue would be a plot twist

[harsh junco]

It's funny how much I've 180'd on blue

[half spade]

Bezos's description makes it sound more like they had a very long R&D/Design/infrastructure-factory preparation period and only bent metal these past two years, but that this was "planned", and preceding the CEO change

[harsh junco]

that early phase wouldn't have been two decades with someone competent at the helm

[half spade]

At least it looks like they planned well and manufacturing of the flight hardware has been going smoothly these past couple years

[harsh junco]

well, other than destroying a flight stage and like two flight engines

[distant goblet]

early blue was a thinktank, not a spaceflight company

[sage gyro]

They always unveil what they’re doing once it’s completely finished and ready to go and they’re working on loads but just never share

One of the most annoying things about them but they’re a great company still just ran like a government one

[half spade]

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1821603092674338910
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1816526733929222579

Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) on X

@ChenrySpace NET is doing a lot of work there. I'm hopeful it happens in 2025, but not expectant. Super fun mission, though.

Twitter · Aug 8, 2024, 5:43 PM

Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) on X

@MarekCyzio Maybe not. They're still pushing hard for a 2025 launch of the smaller lander.

Twitter · Jul 25, 2024, 5:31 PM

[distant goblet]

hell astra has been around since 2005 and have done nothing

many such cases!

[vernal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-confused-huh-gif-5003705

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-tin-foil-hat-smiling-gif-13613808

[cursive basin]

sizes should be close to correct

[azure wyvern]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/09/the-future-of-boeings-crewed-spaceflight-program-is-muddy-after-starliners-return/

🍔

[distant goblet]

damn eric i sure wonders who was the person advocating for NASA to drop boeing, eric

[jovial sphinx]

what

nvm nvm i didn't ask

[static crown]

oh my god guys they snuck back on to Starliner before it left

[safe juniper]

will Suni and Butch get their own spacex suits when they return on Crew 9 or will they fly in their boeing ones?

[granite dock]

They'll get their own

[safe juniper]

thats what i thought

[arctic hearth]

Suni has her own already at the station

It's a backup suit that fits her

[distant goblet]

lol butch is angry

[fading mauve]

huh?

[distant goblet]

hes very unsubtly angry about uncrewed return

[fading mauve]

oh?

[distant goblet]

so far

1. implying that certain people dragged their feet on purpose to ran the clock out
2. used the Bible Verse attack

[half spade]

17:14 in video for 2.

when did you hear 1. ?

[distant goblet]

"We ran out of time"

15:41

[half spade]

thanks

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/NASAOIG/status/1840771670165913662
Well then

NASA Office of Inspector General (@NASAOIG) on X

We will examine NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, which partners with American private industry to safely transport astronauts to and from the International Space Station.

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 3:12 PM

[static crown]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-reaction-really-gif-27425089

[empty jackal]

[azure wyvern]

(I would definitely also wanna see if they have anything to say about the Crew Dragon side of operations between NASA and SpaceX, but you all know where the focus will be)

[empty jackal]

Yeah it will be interesting to see on the dragon side of things

[distant goblet]

OIG has already said that starliner gets way too little attention from NASA so i wonder if the conclusion will be to cancel the program

[static crown]

I'm gonna be so mad if Boeing's incompetence deprives SC2 from ever recieving a name

[distant goblet]

Like you cant get redundancy if you assign 80% of the personnel to support one program and leave 20% to the other

Well surely NASA doesn’t have another major program like this right

[static crown]

I mean... do they?

The only other one is Orion and that seems pretty solidly reserved for Artemis afaik

[distant goblet]

The landers:

[static crown]

Oh

Just to make sure I'm understanding... you're saying Starliner doesn't receive enough attention from NASA?

[distant goblet]

OIG said it

[little sinew]

I mean it still can be named by non-NASA crew

[static crown]

I'm just so curious what lead to Starliner going so horribly wrong

[static crown]

Yeah but if NASA cancels the program doesn't that kinda mean Starliner is dead?

[little sinew]

it's not AFAIK

since it's Boeing spacecraft

and they had plans for BO's space station (I forgor the name tho)

Orbital Reef

like if NASA gets rid of Crew Dragon in term of ISS supply, Crew Dragon won't be dead

cuz it got private customers (well, a few for now at least)

[distant goblet]

Starliner cant do free flying missions

[static crown]

I guess my worry is the "stability" of any possible private Starliner contracts

[little sinew]

yet it can fly to the station(s)

[static crown]

and if Boeing would even want to continue supporting Starliner

[distant goblet]

Orbital reef was a boeing program

CLD is on a range of Not Happening and Extremely Not Happening

[pine cedar]

Bro has no faith in Bezos bucks

[static crown]

(what's CLD again?)

[pine cedar]

Commercial LEO destinations

Axiom station, Starlab, Orbital Reef

[harsh junco]

bezos bucks can't let them do everything all at once

[pine cedar]

true, but they also got more sources of revenue now

[fading mauve]

who would want to buy a seat

[distant goblet]

people who doesnt like musk

Or when dragon eat shit

[viscid ice]

Isaac Jaredman

[neon bane]

United or American could add it to their frequent flyer programs

[harsh junco]

"thanks for being a Global Services customer, we've upgraded you from Polaris to, uh... also Polaris, free of charge"

[azure wyvern]

https://x.com/MicahMaidenberg/status/1849850778112163847
RIP

Micah Maidenberg (@MicahMaidenberg) on X

News with @sharonterlep - Boeing explores sale of its NASA business, including the Starliner vehicle & space station ops. The effort, part of a strategy by Boeing’s new CEO to streamline the company & stem losses, is at an early stage.
https://t.co/1KYeLfUJpo

Twitter · Oct 25, 2024, 4:29 PM

[granite dock]

💀

[empty jackal]

💀💀

Damn

[safe juniper]

hold on, Boeing make the core stage for SLS

[sage gyro]

Who’s gonna wanna buy that

[azure wyvern]

And satellites (like the BSS-702 satellite bus...of which just failed Intelsat 33e is one of those)
And ISS daily operations support

And X-37B

[safe juniper]

dear me

cant wait for SpaceX to buy it all

nah I'm joking

idk maybe Blue will buy it

[half spade]

They don't want to sell that

it seems it's selective

[safe juniper]

ah ok

[half spade]

Probably focused on Starliner and outdated satellite bus business

[sage gyro]

They’re developing there own

[pine cedar]

It’s not that far along

[sage gyro]

No it’s not but why would they buy starliner if they’re working on there own

[pine cedar]

They’d purchase the employees as well and the experience

[azure wyvern]

I can’t see anyone buying the Starliner project and keep it running as-is

[pine cedar]

Blue would have the resources to correct things

And if they had the IP they could use it to accelerate their own project

[distant goblet]

I told yall

NASA has no intention of moving the program forward

[arctic hearth]

Uhhh

Do you have your eyes on your face or...?

[distant goblet]

Why do you think boeing is trying to sell the program?

[arctic hearth]

They're selling also space station ops

[distant goblet]

Not because they think the NASA contracts still have a viable path forward

Fwiw i doubt the iss op sale will happen

NASA doesn’t like that kind of stuff

[distant goblet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1140720369234346044/1300307465237303387/image.png?ex=672105f2&is=671fb472&hm=c1126a7dad43ce16f669919ee5dc156c7ef72e8041e4195cd6178df43eb46d34&

[half spade]

seems like musk didn't get the whole "Never interrupt your opponent while he is in the middle of making a mistake."

[distant goblet]

Just a little unethical lobbying, as a treat

[distant goblet]

You misread it. The implication from the NYT is that musk lobbied for uncrewed cft within NASA. He just made the mistake of tweeting it out loud

Tim Farrar said something similar

[half spade]

🤔

[distant goblet]

Told ya. The program is dead unless NASA fires all the spacex supporters from commcrew

Just like how SLD didn’t happen until kathy leuders got demoted

And now NSF is full on corruption is good if it benefits spacex

[harsh junco]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-schizo-ok-schizo-schizophrenia-gibbon-gif-23667455

[distant goblet]

its okay theyre gonna screw over firefly eventually

[half spade]

All your payloads are belong to us

[empty jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743561246816600144/1300585009039671346/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_6.gif

[harsh junco]

we need to give @south swallow SCC-1 access so he can render this in non shit quality

[bright sedge]

is this real

[south swallow]

500 ms a frame

[harsh junco]

What's it rendered on

[south swallow]

?

note that i dont ever use tutorials

[harsh junco]

hardware

[autumn bison]

did you render it on a toshiba laptop from 2004

[south swallow]

uh

[autumn bison]

cause it kinda looks like that

[south swallow]

Im not good at all

[autumn bison]

what computer did you use

[south swallow]

how do i see lol

[harsh junco]

control shift escape poast taskmgr

[autumn bison]

then show more > performance

[harsh junco]

^^

[autumn bison]

erm wtf laptop

[south swallow]

then

oh

[harsh junco]

lmao someone's installed virtualbox

[bright sedge]

average virtual internet connection

[harsh junco]

say hello to my old friend IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

[autumn bison]

I haven't 😭 I think it's my vpn or something

[autumn bison]

click cpu and gpu and say the model names

mainly gpu

[bright sedge]

my condolences you have a hdd

[autumn bison]

that too

[harsh junco]

twenty bucks says 3050Ti MAX-Q

[south swallow]

rtx 3060

[harsh junco]

close enough

[autumn bison]

close!

[harsh junco]

hmm SSD + HDD

laptop or desktop?

[south swallow]

desktop

[autumn bison]

hdd in a modern laptop would be a... choice

[harsh junco]

hmmm alright not a loser nitro suckface edition 5 then

[south swallow]

it has a green pulsing light on the outside

😎

[bright sedge]

I HATE ACER NITRO 5

[empty jackal]

I love Starliner cft

[harsh junco]

HP Omen then?

wait no those are white now

uhhh

I do not prebuilt clearly

[harsh junco]

FUCK ACER LOSER NITRO SUCKFACE EDITIONS ALL MY HOMIES HATE ACER LOSER NITRO SUCKFACE EDITIONS

[harsh junco]

Oh their non omen stuff then

close enough

(not really)

(whatever)

what do I wanna bet that ram is running at JEDEC

poast ram tab

guaranteed 2133mt/s