Peregrine Mission 1 | Vulcan Cert-1

[robust warren]

real lmao

[thick tulip]

why did yall doubt ULA

[primal sierra]

Oh my god.

[red zephyr]

So no change?

[primal sierra]

She’s slaying rn

[indigo jungle]

It would be if it hadn't been delayed by how many years

[thick tulip]

center of the range track

[robust warren]

normimal trajectory

[topaz oxide]

I thought it would probably suceed, but the perfect countdown and perfect liftoff are amazing

[red zephyr]

^ might've been impressive in like 2015 lmao

[thick tulip]

yeah true

[exotic juniper]

Blue engines

[wicked adder]

OH SHE WAS A BEAUT

[graceful glen]

[thick tulip]

would you rather it have blown up or

[warm valley]

[indigo jungle]

Like I would have expected from ULA that once it's actually towards countdown it would be clean

[thick tulip]

got to see it live?

[obtuse osprey]

It's into space

[robust warren]

it's in space

[thick tulip]

oh what’s that

[indigo jungle]

Didn't expect it, would've loved the salt of a BE-4 failure

[thick tulip]

BECO soon

[wicked adder]

With my telescope 16 miles from the pad, the blue flame was incredible

[oak matrix]

WTF THIS IS WORKING WTF

[robust warren]

coming up on.BECO

[thick tulip]

THATS AWESOME

i can’t wait to see one

[sly oasis]

be4 have made it to space

[thick tulip]

nearly had a heart attack

[robust warren]

BECO

[obtuse osprey]

cutoff

[primal sierra]

she absolutely slayed first stage flight ‼️‼️

[wicked adder]

I’d take a pic but she’s behind a cloud now and probably did BECO

[robust warren]

SEP

[thick tulip]

SEP

[robust warren]

THEFE THEY ARE

[grim sleet]

Go Centuar!

[wicked adder]

It’s all up to Centaur now

[warm valley]

ULA got shit tone of experience behind, so the clean countdown & launch was expected to happen

[obtuse osprey]

ignition

[robust warren]

IGNITION

[thick tulip]

do second stages ever fail

[lilac tide]

Many times

They’re the most likely failure point

[robust warren]

WE ARE GOING

[thick tulip]

good to know

[sly oasis]

relativity:

[thick tulip]

PAYLOAD DAIRING OFF

[robust warren]

FSIRING SEP

[primal sierra]

SHE GOES

[grim sleet]

I think it would be a suprise if this didn't work, considering ULA's track record

[thick tulip]

uhm hydrogen doesn’t have a plume in space guys

[indigo jungle]

Even 2019-2020

But compare this to what F9 is pulling and yeah it's cool but not impressive

Without government ensuring redundancy and Bezos doing his thing there would be no spot for Vulcan

[grim sleet]

Glad it's working great! But it ain't over yet!

[lilac tide]

Many people doubted because it was the first rocket ULA developed in years

[wicked adder]

2 good engines

[lilac tide]

(Not me though)

[robust warren]

love how relaxed everyone is at mission control

you can't doubt ULA

[red zephyr]

Ever

[runic kestrel]

Galanga

[obtuse osprey]

Pad is on fire it appears

[primal sierra]

Real

[zinc dragon]

don't remind me :'(

[wicked adder]

W H A T

[robust warren]

where the fire at

[grim sleet]

Spaceflight people when a company they don't like has a success

[grim sleet]

Suboptimal

[robust warren]

REAL

[obtuse osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1110977934409351299/1193807722710302790/Centaur_suboptimal-1.gif?ex=65ae0f14&is=659b9a14&hm=9d24cf7aed1294726fc8f1e786106f8a4b7e318a25e2d1007087f217a3c08831&

[robust warren]

how about we just be happy it works

[vast loom]

No way it launched

[silver sierra]

vul can

[warm valley]

Chad calm MCC vs "ooga wooga" noisy MCC

[wicked adder]

Omg the lander looks so tiny compared to centaur 😭

[silver sierra]

pad cant

[indigo jungle]

You also can't expect them to do something groundbreaking

[thick tulip]

when is sunita williams gonna go insane

[vast loom]

That’s literally like that one series

[short dirge]

lmao well that’s egg on my face for saying it wouldn’t launch first try

[elder elbow]

DID U MISS IT

[obtuse osprey]

vul can what pad can't

[vast loom]

Where they have rockets launching

[vast loom]

Nah Inwatched

[elder elbow]

good

[primal sierra]

can u send the gif pls xoxo

[elder elbow]

otherwise i would have done the french move

head off

[indigo jungle]

CFD delayed by another year I guess

[obtuse osprey]

just click the star

[thick tulip]

damn centaur burns for so long i forgot

[obtuse osprey]

top leftof it

[robust warren]

centaur is cooking

[vast loom]

Please do

[wicked adder]

Low thrust so it has to

[grim sleet]

Based and Centuar-pilled

[vast loom]

I’d look less ugly

[grim sleet]

LET HER COOK

[thick tulip]

yeah i just forget how long it is

[primal sierra]

I hate mobile

[wicked adder]

Who needs caffeine when you have a rocket launch to keep you awake

[thick tulip]

why aren’t we getting vulcam

[lilac tide]

Peregrine got the deal of a lifetime with this launch

[indigo jungle]

gravity losses going BRRRRRRT

[obtuse osprey]

cheers to that

[lilac tide]

Discount for a first launch

And it actually works

[short dirge]

Lmao the payload is so small compared to centaur

[thick tulip]

oh?

[obtuse osprey]

thank god i don't have any exams tommorow

[indigo jungle]

One and only commercially viable Vulcan

[thick tulip]

they aren’t to the moon yet

[robust warren]

lander looks so small compared to centaur lol

[lilac tide]

well it probably will work

[vast loom]

Ok now I can go back to sleep

[grim sleet]

So is this thing just going into a LEO parking orbit, then preform a TLI after an orbit or two?

[red zephyr]

Lmao 1100 sec parking orbit burn

[robust warren]

yes

[primal sierra]

Take that starship 🦧

[robust warren]

lmao

[primal sierra]

or something

[obtuse osprey]

vul can what x can't 😄

[vast loom]

No way

[primal sierra]

I do t know I have not been active in a minute

[vast loom]

Amaury is awake

[wicked adder]

Anyone have some good screenshots of the liftoff the NASA stream I’m watching doesn’t go back past a minute

[grim sleet]

I am fully awake

[lilac tide]

My dog stole my fucking blanket

[wicked adder]

I need to make a new profile picture

[vast loom]

That wouldn’t happen with a cat

[obtuse osprey]

just have this

[wicked adder]

FIVE MINUTES TILL SECO OMG

[indigo jungle]

well this is a F9/FH competitor and those definitely can, about what, 80x as many launches as ULA last year

[graceful glen]

https://vxtwitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1744259474745946612

[robust warren]

I'm waiting for liftoff pics

[hasty hemlock]

Abolish low thrust LH2 stages for the prolonged anxiety in the future

[wicked adder]

New PFP TIME

[robust warren]

make them into tugs

[red zephyr]

FUCK HYDROLOX ALL MY HOMIES HATE HYDROLOX

[short dirge]

10min in and we’re “still very early into the flight “

[robust warren]

hydrolox love

[lilac tide]

Lowkey I’m amazed the BE-4s worked so smooth

[indigo jungle]

Second stage hydrolox is kinda meh yeah

[graceful glen]

https://vxtwitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1744259769991335940

[robust warren]

when is meco

[lilac tide]

Those Mach diamonds

[obtuse osprey]

Imma need to buy a print of this

[hasty hemlock]

T+15:45

[obtuse osprey]

although i sitll need to hang my falcon heavy one 💀

[hasty hemlock]

Burn 2 is T+43:35 - 47:37

S/C sep is T+50:26

[primal sierra]

Take that starship 🦧🦧

[lilac tide]

BO must be extremely happy with the flight data they’re gonna get

[zinc dragon]

read that as borigin

[obtuse osprey]

i'm going to go ahead and hop off, gn everyone and godspeed vulcan centaur

[robust warren]

gn

[indigo jungle]

2025 NG!!

[robust warren]

I'm waiting till seco then going back to sleep

[vast loom]

Remember when this happened

[red zephyr]

Update

[robust warren]

better late then never

[lilac tide]

NG this year, trust

[grim sleet]

Dual engine Centuar just looks right

[wicked adder]

I actually agree with this

[grim sleet]

Centuar V is great and I love it

[robust warren]

RL10 is great

[red zephyr]

Should've gotten CV instead of EUS tbh

[indigo jungle]

Centaur V sucks

It's cheap ass ACES

[robust warren]

https://tenor.com/view/trent-alexander-alexander-arnold-liverpool-man-city-gif-17135817758057276239

SECO-1

[red zephyr]

MECO-1

[thick tulip]

well that burnt a bit long?

[robust warren]

centaur

[red zephyr]

Ullage thrusters?

[robust warren]

remember

[red zephyr]

Okay then

[thick tulip]

NG is gonna look stunning

[grim sleet]

Should have gotten ACES instead of Centuar V, and the EDS instead of the EUS and ICPS (but I'll take what we have flying right now)

SECO

[runic kestrel]

Miranda now owes me a Steam game

[thick tulip]

supposed to cut off at 15:45 but it seemed like it was going for another 15

[hasty hemlock]

15s more
I guess there’s leeway for a first launch?

[lilac tide]

Lmao

She’s in orbit!

[thick tulip]

yeah

[robust warren]

it's the NASA woman

[grim sleet]

DO I STAY UP FOR TLI

[lilac tide]

No im going to sleep

[robust warren]

yes

[hasty hemlock]

For getting propellant settling on the bottom

[grim sleet]

Alrighty

[short dirge]

See yall in 30min

[oak matrix]

Maybe compensating for some underperformance in 1st stage? Or maybe they changed some of the trajectory a lil bit? I'm just pulling this outta ma ass idk

[grim sleet]

How ways everyone's day

[red zephyr]

Would a $25 Amazon egift card do?

[oak matrix]

See y'all TMR lmao I ain't waking up

[wicked adder]

New PFP

[runic kestrel]

Uhhhhh I use my dad's Amazon Prime account so no TBH

Honestly I don't really care

It's the thought that counts

[red zephyr]

sadge alright

[wicked adder]

Anyway, see y’all tomorrow, I’ve gotta go to school tomorrow and wake up early to take my brother to school so I need eep

[red zephyr]

nah I made a bargain and I shall keep it

[grim sleet]

Goodnight

[runic kestrel]

I need to sleep now so it can wait until later

[short dirge]

To me it felt like the RL10s took a bit longer then expected to start

[red zephyr]

dm me your deets on steam and I'll try to figure it out

[robust warren]

mail spud 20 bucks

[lilac tide]

It’s definitely possible the first stage under performed a bit

[oak matrix]

Tbh I'm pretty sure you owe me a 3090, cus uhhhh.. I'm your long lost Nigerian uncle, give me 3090 and your SSN, I give you my gold bars, yes?

[grim sleet]

You owe me my catalytic converter off my Toytoa Tacoma

[thick tulip]

any update on the pad

apparently it’s on fire??

is this true chat

[grim sleet]

idk

[red zephyr]

okay sounds good

[short dirge]

Idk I saw this pic floating around

[robust warren]

I swear that orange light is literally just an orange light

[oak matrix]

Awesome, your gold bars wol come soon, I just need your SSN and credit card numbers, and your mother's maiden name

[grim sleet]

from NSF - take it as you will

[lilac tide]

I think it’s just lighting mixed with the water

That literally just looks like light

[oak matrix]

Was it just me or did it look like Vulcan start to pitch slightly right after lifting off?

[lilac tide]

It did

[full charm]

P o w e r S l i d e

[oak matrix]

Pad avoidance?

Or something else?

[vast loom]

Nominal launch pad activities

[full charm]

Likely

Seems to be the style these days lol

[full charm]

ULA realized they need to beat spacex with having expendable GSE 😎

[red zephyr]

from now until the heat death of the universe any powerslide will have the name "Astra" attached to it

[robust warren]

yes

[lilac tide]

Whats funny is I’m pretty sure this is the first new U.S. rocket to enter orbit it since Astra

[red zephyr]

long after astra and shuffle off this mortal coil

[lilac tide]

Or was it Firefly

[robust warren]

firefly I think

astra was a while ago

[grim sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket3-rocket-astra-astra-space-powerslide-gif-22878112

[hasty hemlock]

Firefly Alpha (Oct 2022)
Astra was Nov 2021

[lilac tide]

First new U.S. heavy lift rocket since Falcon 9 💀

[grim sleet]

damn that launch was nerveracking

not as nerveracking as SLS

somehow less than Starship?

[thick tulip]

looks fine

[hasty hemlock]

Still nervous till S/C sep

[thick tulip]

yeah i agree

[robust warren]

I think it's cuz we all expected starship to fail

and this launch actually has a meaningful payload

[grim sleet]

mine started to die down after SES

[grim sleet]

yup

I was prob more exicted for Starship tho

[dense lava]

Is it like 5th/6th to reach orbit on first launch?

[full charm]

Yeah once we got SES and BECO I was like, were chilling

[robust warren]

I can't lie I was 100% confident with this launch

[lilac tide]

3rd private rocket to reach orbit first try

[robust warren]

there was no doubting that this was gonna fail

[oak matrix]

First new U.S rocket since thor-able

[lilac tide]

Joke doesn’t work 💀

[grim sleet]

I thought ULA would pull the launch off perfectly and they have so far

[red zephyr]

To The Black and the Shelby Lunch System were both after

[full charm]

Wasn't titan after thor?

And STS exists

[red zephyr]

Unfortunately

[oak matrix]

No? Idk

[grim sleet]

Still a bit in awe

Ain't that something

[tight ridge]

Oh my fucking god I missed it did it succeed or fail

[grim sleet]

It worked

[tight ridge]

I literally got the notif and dismissed it for whatever stupid reason

[robust warren]

it did the thing

[grim sleet]

What time is TLI again?

[full charm]

Yeah titan first flight was after thor, as an ICBM anyway

[robust warren]

T+43:35

[grim sleet]

Thanks

[lilac tide]

Im going to sleep y’all, crossing my fingers and hoping the TLI burn goes well

[full charm]

Was GLV the first LV titan?

[tight ridge]

I'm miffed lmao

[graceful glen]

smh

[oak matrix]

First thor-able in August 17th of 1958

[graceful glen]

imagine not sitting on the couch with the stream already pulled up on the TV an hour in advance

[vast loom]

It exploded

On the launch pad

[full charm]

When was the first LV titan though?

[vast loom]

Many many booms

Worst launch ever conducted

[oak matrix]

Idk, NXF app just gives me titan ll

[full charm]

Pretty sure that was GLV in the 60s

Which is after thor able

[grim sleet]

Where is this landing exactly?

[oak matrix]

And first titan ll glv was 1965, there was a titan l before that I know, I launched I think starting in 58' or 59'

[tight ridge]

Oh you're right

[full charm]

Titan I was never a LV

[oak matrix]

"the bay of stickiness"

[graceful glen]

I want that guy's Vulcan tie

[thick tulip]

https://fixupx.com/torybruno/status/929103518392127488?s=20

[red zephyr]

Just Read The Instructions

[oak matrix]

No, but it was a rocket

[grim sleet]

Sinus Viscositatis nice

[full charm]

Right but then we have to look at when thor first launched, no?

[tight ridge]

What the hell was that powerslide

I thought it was symmetrical

[grim sleet]

pad avoidance maneuver?

somebody ask Tory

[full charm]

Prob just pad avoidance

[tight ridge]

I'll do it

[thick tulip]

it was pad avoidance i’m like 99% sure

saturn v did it too

it’s v common

[hasty hemlock]

Bingo
Atlas V do that too, look at a 401/501 launch

[tight ridge]

Ok but atlas V is asymmetrical

[full charm]

Well 401/501 need to powerslide regardless tbh

[red zephyr]

Is the SRM on X11 vectored?

[lilac tide]

401/501 dont have boosters

[red zephyr]

or fixed

Oh yeah wasn't Dreamchaser originally supposed to launch on like, N12 or some shit

[tight ridge]

X11 is so goofy looking
It's like taking a falcon 9 and putting a falcon 1 on the side and yes I know that's a totally ridiculous comparison but I'm making it regardless

[short dirge]

Squiggly line

https://vxtwitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1744263259228635404

[tight ridge]

Oh god the dream chaser nxx

[tight ridge]

What the fuck
Why are there 2 lines
Did it get fucking intercepted?

[oak matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-bezos-stare-staring-weird-blue-origin-gif-22421981

[tight ridge]

Just realised this is vaguely like mini sls

[robust warren]

lol

[grim sleet]

View of the landing site from the Apollo 15 CSM Endeavor

[graceful glen]

Can't wait for Tenacious Vulcan

[tight ridge]

Is there still plans to put crew on this thing lol

[short dirge]

Maybe the small line is the SRB jettisoned?

[tight ridge]

That's kinda fucking epic

[robust warren]

I like dreamchaser

[tight ridge]

It seems that way I guess
Long exposure shots are funny like that

[robust warren]

the small line is the path of the rocket later on

you can tell cuz it's slightly blue

[tight ridge]

Whuh

That makes no sense

[full charm]

My brain had a moment 💀

[robust warren]

what u were taking about is the rocket later on in space

later in it's fligjt

[tight ridge]

Falcon 9 N22 lol

[lilac tide]

Youre looking at an angle that blocked the rest of the trajectory in the exposure

[tight ridge]

Weird ass fucking photo

[lilac tide]

The small line is indeed the flight path

[grim sleet]

Sea of Stickiness on the south side of this photo. Doing some quick research the site is considered apart of the Ocean of Storms. (So a large plain formed by cooling lava.)

[tight ridge]

Tory gonna be answering so many questions on twitter 💀

[robust warren]

call a press conference smh

[tight ridge]

Twitter press conference
Elons wet dream

[grim sleet]

Coming up on second stage relight

[oak matrix]

What's the t+ time for that?

I ain't watching stream anymore

[grim sleet]

30 sec

[oak matrix]

I'm a bouts go to sleep

[oak matrix]

Oh lmao ok

[tight ridge]

Is this for tli?

[robust warren]

ignition

[grim sleet]

Relight!

[lilac tide]

LETS GOOOO TLI

[grim sleet]

Looking good so far

[tight ridge]

Stream over here absolutely chugging

Rendering on a raspberry pi

Why have they cut away

[grim sleet]

ULA why

I want to see TLI

oop they have it in the corner

[tight ridge]

Why no onboards?

Please tell me it's not an ITAR thing

[grim sleet]

Seychelles has a payload on this lol

[tight ridge]

OH HELL YEAH I LOVE SEYCHELLES 🇸🇨

[grim sleet]

Great flag

[robust warren]

might be prioritising data transmission

[tight ridge]

I mean
They have a brand new rocket and the opportunity to use new data relay tech and absolutely the ability to use onboards

Kinda a letdown

But it is what it is

ALSO they usually release them a few weeks after launch

[robust warren]

idk

meco

[grim sleet]

MECO

[robust warren]

coming up on sep

[oak matrix]

AYO? SUCCESSFUL?

[lilac tide]

TLI burn complete

[oak matrix]

WWWWWWWW

[graceful glen]

THE LUNAR INJECTION IS TRANS

[lilac tide]

Wait for payload sep

[oak matrix]

CENTAUR IS NOW TRANS

UWU

OMG

[robust warren]

woke

[oak matrix]

VULCAN DIDNT DAIL LESSS GOOOOOOOOO

[grim sleet]

Vulcan worked!

[robust warren]

worked beautifully

[quartz wharf]

Happy BE-4s

[robust warren]

[short dirge]

CONTROLED SPIN

[robust warren]

happy

[grim sleet]

ayo spin stabilization

[robust warren]

SEP

[grim sleet]

Vulcan's main job is now done!

Congrats to ULA!!! They did super well!

Goodnight friends

Tory yay

[short dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/yeehaw-cowbay-dance-gif-12538315

[full charm]

YEE HAW

[grim sleet]

YEE HAW

Space Cowboy doing Space Cowboyisms

[graceful glen]

SIGNAL AQUIRED

Peregrine is alive!

[edgy acorn]

Vulcan can into space !

[tight ridge]

Woaw

[quartz wharf]

Damn sixth launch of the year worldwide and we're just on the 8th day of 2024

[hasty hemlock]

https://fxtwitter.com/Skyfeather16/status/1744272547611554191

[graceful glen]

What it say

[vast loom]

It’s the Chinese red screen of success

[robust warren]

https://fxtwitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1744272208241852775?t=thmg-vgSGI-yGGyyTEdojQ&s=33

[thick tulip]

l e a n

[red zephyr]

It looks so fat and stupid

[thick tulip]

are you actually mad

[lilac tide]

Cope

[short dirge]

YEEHAW!!!!🤠

[thick tulip]

didn’t know i was on comms

sorry yall

[graceful glen]

When I add this to my list should I write the name of the rocket as Vulcan VC2 or Vulcan Centaur VC2?

also is it VC2 or VC2S?

[quartz wharf]

Hey that's like me

[lilac tide]

VC2S

[red zephyr]

VC2S

[tight ridge]

YEEHAW

Where's the fucking S come from

[graceful glen]

K

[full charm]

What does the S mean?

[quartz wharf]

The S is for small pp...f

[lilac tide]

Small fairing

[red zephyr]

Short fairing

[full charm]

Ah right

[lilac tide]

That works too

[red zephyr]

fair I no

[lilac tide]

VC2L would look goofy af

[red zephyr]

VC0L

[graceful glen]

so Vulcan VC2S or Vulcan Centaur VC2S?

[full charm]

Just like those Atlas proposals fairings

[tight ridge]

Lmao vulcan with fairing that isn't the same diameter

[thick tulip]

THERES A BUG ONE?

[lilac tide]

Ye

[short dirge]

Vulcan starliner probably

[red zephyr]

Ah yes Vulcan Centaur Vulcan Centaur 2 Short

[lilac tide]

Was apart of the NSSL requirements iirc

[tight ridge]

Does the big fairing get wider or is it same width?

[short dirge]

Is there a fairing normal?

[lilac tide]

Longer

[red zephyr]

Same width, just long

[full charm]

Think its just long

[tight ridge]

Thank fuck lol

[red zephyr]

Same as Falcon EF

[thick tulip]

tracks

[lilac tide]

there is a conceptual wider fairing

[tight ridge]

The one that'll never fly

[lilac tide]

Probably won’t ever be used

[thick tulip]

i think i might job my alarm is in 4hrs

[red zephyr]

It's flying on PPE/HALO and a few of the natsec flights

[lilac tide]

Vulcan with a 7 meter fairing is goofy af

[graceful glen]

Idk man I'm confused by the naming

[tight ridge]

Is it actually flying on F9 tho

[red zephyr]

FH

[tight ridge]

God someone HAS to Photoshop it onto F9 when the time comes

[short dirge]

Song slaps ngl

[tight ridge]

Guh no answers

[full charm]

VC with Atlas Phase 3B fairing when

[tight ridge]

Like they have them available post launch I'm so confused

Why do they not release them

[tight ridge]

Stop that

[warm valley]

Remember what they took from us

[lilac tide]

They will

Just after a couple weeks

[tight ridge]

I worded it wrong
Why do they not give them to us live

[lilac tide]

ULA’s PR team doesn’t have many resources

[lilac tide]

Bandwidth

Majority of it was dedicated to feeding engineering sensor data

Later launches will probably give it to us live

[tight ridge]

Ok but how do they get the camera data back

[lilac tide]

Offloaded at the end of flight ops probably

Similar to how it was done for SLS

Onboard camera footage was downlinked after stage Sep

[graceful glen]

Final burn cutoff

Vulcan's first flight is now fully successful

[warm valley]

WE ARE GOING

[tight ridge]

We are went

[graceful glen]

Vulcan vulCAN into space

[robust warren]

vulCAN into space

[tight ridge]

space

[hasty hemlock]

https://fxtwitter.com/ProgressBar202_/status/1744262671598272700
50*6 = 300 launches this year?

[quartz wharf]

Could be

It wouldn't surprise me if we reach more than 250 launches worldwide this year

[hasty hemlock]

That might be conservative given 2023 was 220+

[quartz wharf]

Yeah I know

I still think 300 might be a bit of a stretch but we'll see

SpaceX is adding almost 50 launches on top of the 2023 number, Rocket Lab is adding another 15 or so, China will probably also add another 15 or so. That's already about 80 launches added on top of the numbers from last year

But it all has to work right

We haven't had a major (unexpected) failure in a while... 😅

[hasty hemlock]

https://fxtwitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1744282866081579189

YEEHAW

[robust warren]

[silver sierra]

VUL CAN

[tight ridge]

SpaceX should make Merlin run on methalox :clueless:

[red zephyr]

Kero is king

[edgy acorn]

Stephen

[robust warren]

https://fxtwitter.com/mdcainjr/status/1744294822146412712?t=hmZWLvYhCCkURp7ElEdXhg&s=33

[dense lava]

https://fxtwitter.com/JoeB_Photos/status/1744289205046358406

[robust warren]

same vibe

[simple crater]

Ah k. Glad it went well

Peregrine to the mooooooon

Salty that it wasn’t a day launch but it was still beautiful
More flights in good time :))

[solemn fog]

shit my headphones died and i slept through my alarm

[fossil quiver]

this picture is cool

[sleek stratus]

God damn

I dreamt about waking up to a launch failure last night

I’m sorry for opping 😂

[solemn fog]

i was clearly too pessimistic

[red zephyr]

https://fxtwitter.com/joebarnard/status/1744255377045410222
he doesn't miss

[wicked adder]

Why is Joey B the best Twitter user

Even newer pfp now

[wicked adder]

Credit: Trevor Mahlman (I don’t have link sorry)

[sleek stratus]

Smiley

[solemn fog]

LANDER ANOMALY

can’t lock to sun

https://fixupx.com/astrobotic/status/1744367789953933641?s=20

shit shit shit

[fossil quiver]

is that PR speak for "it's all tumbling down"

[red zephyr]

I do love United Launce Alliance

[hasty hemlock]

Not necessarily? If it really lost power or rotated off-attitude by a lot they would have probably lost contact with the lander already
But power supply and telemetry will probably be affected

[thick tulip]

https://fixupx.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1744320080018538499?s=20

oml

they did a silly

https://fixupx.com/planetdeimos/status/1744288071506379241?s=20

starshipcore

[primal sierra]

Love to see Vulcan succeed

[grim sleet]

That was great

[grim sleet]

v ul ĉa ñ

[simple crater]

Give it a few hours I hope

[exotic juniper]

https://vxtwitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744389634568724791

[fossil quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zvVGJrTP8

[hasty hemlock]

Seems like it can't even land
I just hope that at least it manages to struggle to lunar orbit and then see what can be tried out from there

[fossil quiver]

I'm surprised they're talking about that

[red zephyr]

lmao

might not be quite joever yet, looks like they came out of comms blackout
https://fxtwitter.com/coastal8049/status/1744396105755058539

[sleek stratus]

Yikes

[thick tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/live/2pPBCIpVGsM?feature=shared

peregrine’s DSN

[robust warren]

CAPSTONE all over again

I hope they get this sorted asap

would be a big shame if the Lander failed before it even got to the moon

[runic kestrel]

To be clear though, this would be a spacecraft failure right?

[red zephyr]

Yes

[runic kestrel]

Cool cool

So you still owe me a game

I mean I guess technically the bet was "if Vulcan makes orbit" so you would have still owed it to me even if TLI failed

But whatever

[sleek stratus]

This is honestly so funny to me

Not sure why anyone had any faith in these startups

[red zephyr]

I expected VC to fuck up and the lander probably be fine (or as fine as it would be after Vulcan got done with it)

Definitely didn't expect the other way around

[vast loom]

So

Peregrine is dead

Got it

I should stop hoping for missions to be successful at some point

Why are all the cool private landers bad at landing shit on the Moon

||I want my FAM-like alt-universe||

[sleek stratus]

Yeah there is virtually no knowledge being passed down here nor is there any experience

It’s exactly what you would do if you wanted things to fail

[exotic juniper]

https://vxtwitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1744407929778839581?s=20

[red zephyr]

RIP

[solemn fog]

damn

[fossil quiver]

ooch

[solemn fog]

CONTACT

WE HAVE DOWNLINK

madrid

[obtuse osprey]

Is the link just whenever the panels face the sun? It seems like it regains contact once every hour or so

11:30am they had contact with madrid

[vast loom]

Yeah but it’s still not landing

Except if lithobreaking is an acceptable way of landing

[solemn fog]

CONFIRMED RECOVERED

https://fixupx.com/astrobotic/status/1744412283743199585?s=20

prop failure

this thing isnt landing

[oak matrix]

Bruh

Ok

No landing

I was right

Alot of us were right

[exotic juniper]

It's on life support, but better than completely dead

[hasty hemlock]

Let's see what happens next, they are still a long way till LOI, never mind landing.
Maybe it's some of the thrusters failing and some improvisioning can be done (most extreme case was Hayabusa, though that one is an electric ion thruster)

[robust warren]

a propulsion system anomaly?

maybe the engines misfired

surely that would change the trajectory of the spacecraft

actually it's probably not that drastic

it could be some RCS failure

which most likely would make a landing not possible

[oak matrix]

I'm hoping it's atleast like some kind of avionics things where it commanded the thrusters to do the wrong thing

[robust warren]

thruster misfiring wouldn't be the end of the world

[oak matrix]

But at this point

Ion even care if peregrine fails

Vulcan succeeded

[robust warren]

they would have to determine what the new trajectory is

[oak matrix]

That's what matters

Also any updates on the 3rd burn of centaur?

[robust warren]

and see if they have enough prop in the RCS tanks for landing

[thick tulip]

if they could reorient it’s not over

[robust warren]

I don't think it's happened yet

[thick tulip]

they’re doing a capstone

so proud of them

[robust warren]

idk if the engine can gimbal

[red zephyr]

It was successful

[robust warren]

and if it can't, the reaction wheels won't be powerful enough to keep it steady

[red zephyr]

Curious how accurate orbital injection was

[robust warren]

we need the ULA chart

which shows the accuracy

[red zephyr]

no we need actual numbers that mean something

[oak matrix]

Oh W

[robust warren]

it has the numbers on as well iirc

peregrine is not yet lost

[hasty hemlock]

It actually dampens further my confidence on the mortality rate of the CLPS landers
If even "conventional" hypergolic fuel landers like Peregrine have problems like this, what about (gulp) Intuitive Machine's IM-1 which uses freaking methane/LOX?

[solemn fog]

https://vxtwitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744419692813443333?s=46&t=JLtT7w61oJheHN55mT6bCQ

cooked

joever

[fossil quiver]

ARGH

[oak matrix]

bruh

send starhsip

[robust warren]

oh

[sleek stratus]

Lmfao

[oak matrix]

and crew dragon

so they can repapre

[robust warren]

so something hit it maybe

[oak matrix]

casue i want my name on the moon

[robust warren]

or they "stirred the oxygen tanks"

[sleek stratus]

Stirred the monoprop tanks

Man how does this happen

Like there’s always some random incident

[hasty hemlock]

Valve leak more likely IMHO

[oak matrix]

or maybe an overpressure in a valvue or line thayt casued a rupoture

i feel like a valve leak wouldnt be leaking out fuel as much as they make it seem it is

also will they even be able to get into a lunar orbit?

[edgy acorn]

Their transparency is great ngl

[fossil quiver]

it's amazing

[oak matrix]

yeah

[thick tulip]

https://fixupx.com/astrobotic/status/1744419692813443333?s=20

it’s so over

[red zephyr]

[runic kestrel]

RIP

So is CLPS gonna be like

The modern version of the Ranger program if this keeps up

[sleek stratus]

Was it ever anything else

[runic kestrel]

Idk I was hoping it'd be more like Surveyor than Ranger

[dense lava]

LEO Destinations

[sleek stratus]

Yeah but that would require these startups to actually be competent

[runic kestrel]

What I want to know is if this is Ranger then what will be the Surveyor to Artemis

Blue Origin and Firefly's landers I guess?

[lilac tide]

the heavier landers yeah

Like Griffin

And Blue Moon

[narrow holly]

Maybe no landing

[runic kestrel]

Makes sense

[runic kestrel]

Isn't Griffin from Astrobotic too though

[hasty hemlock]

Lunar Surveyor was 5/7 IIRC?

[runic kestrel]

Correct

Meanwhile I don't think Ranger even performed one successful landing

In like 5 or 10 tries

[lilac tide]

Yes, but much more at stake and far larger

[runic kestrel]

Gotcha

What happened to the heavy ESA cargo lander from a while back again

[lilac tide]

AFAIK it’s funded

That’s it

[runic kestrel]

Well that's good I suppose

[oak matrix]

yes

[ancient marten]

well shit, but glad they told us so soon

[grim sleet]

Have any of these companies proposed just an orbiter first instead of a lander?

[red zephyr]

lmfao no way
https://fxtwitter.com/stim3on/status/1744419214339772652

[red zephyr]

Firefly

Elytra will come before Blue Ghost

[ancient marten]

jeez, and good point why no telemetry

[grim sleet]

An orbiter just seems more easier to do than a lander

[ancient marten]

But wouldn’t qualify for CLPS

[grim sleet]

True, but it seems to me to be much more of a reasonable leap than going for a lander right away

You can build experience

[vast loom]

https://fxtwitter.com/agile_space/status/1744417659809067131?s=46

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[thick tulip]

good for them to clarify

[full charm]

"we have not provided the propulsion system on this mission" ☠️

[thick tulip]

https://fixupx.com/SciGuySpace/status/1744438185948516860?s=20

lmaooo

[oak matrix]

Lmao

Who provided propulsion to this lander tho?

[full charm]

They just deleted it LOL

[oak matrix]

Probably cause they forgot the "s" that comes after congratulation

Cause they spelled "congratulation" without the s at the end

[ancient marten]

I don’t think that’s why tbh

[quartz wharf]

Ya think?

[robust warren]

too soon

[wicked adder]

Wait so is it officially a failure?

[oak matrix]

Not officially, but in terms of the orginal plan of attempting a landing, yes

In my aware winning unpublished book if a mission does not complete it's intended goal it's a failure

Maybe they will like

Well actually

[wicked adder]

It’s so joe ver

[oak matrix]

What instruments do they hBe onboard that can observe things from like afar?

[ancient marten]

the NXF classification is focused on LV performances right

[thick tulip]

https://fixupx.com/Truthful_ast/status/1744423922332782699?s=20

[thick tulip]

yeah

[oak matrix]

NXF classifies based on conspiracy theories

[short dirge]

Fuck that was fast

successful launch and then a couple hours later missions already over

[graceful glen]

So is Peregrine's landing a total loss?

[short dirge]

[wicked adder]

So damn Wikipedia was right. Last night before the Vulcan launch there was a bit of conversation about how it was wrongly listed on Wikipedia that Vulcan VC0S would be launching GPS sattelites, and I looked around and it’s true. On Gunters Space Page, it’s listed as launching on a VC0S, and even though it’s not powerful enough to loft it to MEO, the page announcing that GPS sats will fly on Vulcan says they will be placed into a MEO transfer orbit. So Wikipedia was right I guess

[full charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iiDu39YHMk

[graceful glen]

Yo I just realized

Vulcan is the first methalox rocket to reach orbit on its first attempt

[lilac tide]

yes

[wicked adder]

True, and the second overall

[lilac tide]

And also I think the 3rd privately developed rocket to reach orbit first try

Or was it 4th

Pegasus, Falcon 9, that Chinese one, and now Vulcan

[short dirge]

Does atlas V not count?

[lilac tide]

I think Atlas V was developed with Gov funds?

[fossil quiver]

"In October 1998, the
Air Force competitively awarded Boeing a $500 million contract to
develop the Delta IV, together with a $1.36 billion Initial Launch Ser-
vices (ILS) contract for 19 launches. Lockheed Martin also received a
$500 million Atlas V development contract from the Air Force and a $650 million ILS
contract for nine launches " - Assured Access

[fossil quiver]

"The Air Force has so far agreed to invest as much as $201 million in Vulcan under a private-public partnership announced Feb. 29 covering integration of Blue Origin’s BE-4 engine with the Vulcan design" - SpaceNews 2016
"The Air Force has committed through 2024 a total of $500 million in OTA funds for Blue Origin, $792 million for Northrop Grumman and $967 million for ULA. " SpaceNews 2018

so definitely private-public funded dev (like most "privately funded" launchers)

[red zephyr]

huh, I just took another look and it is actually surprisingly close, VC0 might actually be able to do it, the transfer orbit for GPS sats is a lot closer to GTO than I remembered

this is GPS III SV06's deploy orbit

VC0 is advertised as 3500kg to GTO, GPS III is 3880kg

it's close enough to maybe be doable down the line w/ upgrades?

[quartz wharf]

I think the main problem is that it is in an inclined orbit which eats into the performance

Also are you sure that's the deploy orbit for SV06?

I swear F9 does a burn to make the perigee go up to ~2000km

[red zephyr]

yeah
https://fxtwitter.com/TSKelso/status/1615769045361651717/

04 and 05 are identical pretty much

[quartz wharf]

Mmmmmmm

That's weird

I swear I remember it differently

[red zephyr]

SV01 (1054.1X) was a little higher on perigee
https://fxtwitter.com/TSKelso/status/1076904619656134656

[quartz wharf]

I feel betrayed by my own brain

[red zephyr]

mood honestly

[quartz wharf]

Bamboozled even

[red zephyr]

tricked, backstabbed

[viscid scroll]

https://fixupx.com/daily_hopper/status/1744465458567250305?s=61&t=9Fg8jwUeJko9ezDncwaK5w

[wicked adder]

MEO transfer has a lower apoapsis than GTO right?

[red zephyr]

lower apogee, slightly higher perigee

[quartz wharf]

And higher inclination

[red zephyr]

~20000x400 vs ~36000x200

[wicked adder]

So it wouldn’t be enough to give Vulcan an extra 300kg?

[red zephyr]

probably not given the incl, I didn't think of that

keep in mind just adding two GEMs literally 2.5x's Vulcan's performance

[wicked adder]

Also the specifications of may have changed since that chart was last update , and it might be more capable now

[red zephyr]

VC0 is stupid as shit

[wicked adder]

But I also really want to see a VC0S launch so those Mach diamonds are left by themselves

[wicked adder]

The specifications are still better than Antares 230

Not 330 though which I just now realized

[red zephyr]

my good sir the bar is underground there

A230+ was a single stick abomination with a solid upper

the hell did you expect

[wicked adder]

If anything, it should be solid first stage and liquid upper stage

[red zephyr]

RAHHHHH FIREFLY SWEEP

[wicked adder]

Never the other way around

[red zephyr]

meh, can't fault it, was always reliably accurate

[wicked adder]

I know that’s the part that really annoys me, it shouldn’t have been that accurate but always was

[quartz wharf]

MLV is asking for SRBs to be added to it

Like c'mon, add some GEM-63XL to it

[wicked adder]

Give it that extra OOMPH

[quartz wharf]

TWR be like yes

[red zephyr]

https://fxtwitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744467156366991843
https://fxtwitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744467219499643045
https://fxtwitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744467293961085163
https://fxtwitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744467770446692729

[red zephyr]

alex I will put myself in (s)pain and hurt you if you will this into existence

[viral steppe]

RIP lander

[quartz wharf]

I just want to see a non-ULA rocket with SRBs for once

Just one rocket

[wicked adder]

Maybe I’ll ping Tory on Twitter and ask him

[oak matrix]

SLS

[wicked adder]

About VC0S taking GPS I mean

[quartz wharf]

Non-ULA, including its parents companies

[oak matrix]

Ariane 1-5

[quartz wharf]

IN THE US

[wicked adder]

Long March 6A

Nvm then

[oak matrix]

really? i thought only the 1st stage was solid and no strap ons?

[wicked adder]

Liquid core, 4 solids on the outside

[oak matrix]

ah ok

[robust warren]

china

[quartz wharf]

👆

[robust warren]

india

[solemn fog]

minotaur

[robust warren]

yeah minotaur counts

also SLS

thats a big one

[primal sierra]

Guys

What about ares 1x

[robust warren]

🥲

OmegA

[oak matrix]

what is "THE US"?

[quartz wharf]

ur mom

😛

[robust warren]

savage

[oak matrix]

omg that was so funny i forgot to laugh

lmao

[wicked adder]

Same bro

[oak matrix]

minotuar has no boosters tho

it should tho

triple stack minotaur

[wicked adder]

Yeah something with strap ons like Vulcan atlas and delta

Maybe they should put some GEMs on Starship

[fossil quiver]

Surely MLV will end up having strap ons

[short dirge]

[grim sleet]

MLV with Ursa Major SRBs

[carmine sleet]

Astrobotic is handling this super well

[grim sleet]

Indeed

I'm very happy with the transparency

Also BE4 got something into orbit before Raptor

[carmine sleet]

1, transparency, and 2, their efforts to maximize the missions of their payloads

[carmine sleet]

clearly the better engine with better production then!

Elon Musk in tears, SpaceX bankrupt soon?!

[grim sleet]

lol

just something to note

[carmine sleet]

yea im just being an ass lol

[grim sleet]

and how everyone sucks at predicting spaceflight

I know

Anyways wen SMART reuse

[short dirge]

Last I heard it was net 2026

https://fixupx.com/torybruno/status/1744472373451972961

it’s so over /s

[fossil quiver]

Vulcan grounded for 1000000000000000 years because of this

[tight ridge]

Literally mini sls

Did peregrine die

[obtuse osprey]

i want to say they regained commuication at 12:34 pm est but do not believe that it will be able to land

[tight ridge]

That's what I can gather

Can't land but can talk

[obtuse osprey]

they still have 45 days to try and find a solution

[short dirge]

kinda shocked Peregrine did worse then Russia ngl

[red zephyr]

Don't worry, SLIM and Nova-C are coming right up

[oak matrix]

Don't forget Griffen and Blue Ghost

[lyric axle]

griffin is another astrobotic thing so definitely

[red zephyr]

Blue Ghost will work

[oak matrix]

As an impacter yes

[graceful glade]

manifesting more NASA oversight due to the result of the GAO investigation on peregrine failure

(its not going to happen)

LRO gonna be busy

[thick tulip]

it’s not completely over

just no landing

[sleek stratus]

no soft landing

[graceful glade]

i dont think it even has enough to go to the moon

[sleek stratus]

wait it already did tli right

i dont feel like doing the math rn but i feel it wouldnt take that much dv to slam into it from there

[narrow holly]

https://youtu.be/_eCvxPieA84?si=X8Lnc3o28XnOIV0O

[lyric axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744543629392134194

truly a moment

[short dirge]

It’s completely over lol

[thick tulip]

they can still do things

[thick tulip]

oh :/

[oak matrix]

[thick tulip]

i feel so bad for astrobotic

[silver sierra]

The mission fail. Then, don’t was nothing this mission.

[soft pelican]

truer words have never been spoken

[lyric axle]

whar

oh nvm im stupid

most intelligent pre-cert 1 ula commenter

[silver sierra]

the comment was on the highlight video lmaoo

so this is actually post cert 1

[lyric axle]

shit

[sleek stratus]

anyway folks looks like its a 4.5 on this or smth

did not predict a random anomaly during translunar coast

[wicked adder]

I would say it’s definitely a goofy accident like 6, but not in llo

[wicked adder]

Peregrine may be almost dead, but at lease we can take comfort in the fact the Vulcan did its job perfectly, and we have some beautiful images to show for it: https://vxtwitter.com/dustinthenow/status/1744407310099779884?t=Al2g7L7LaKailrzs3W4vog&s=19

[wicked adder]

I really hope Blue Origin doesn’t buy ULA because it would probably mean Vulcan would get somewhat cancelled. Maybe Centaur would stick around

[graceful glade]

why would vulcan be cancelled? vulcan has an easier time getting government contracts

[wicked adder]

I’ve just seen speculation

[hasty hemlock]

I wouldn't be too sure about this one, especially a few years down the road.
Yes, Vulcan does have quite a few government and even commercial contracts, but assuming IF New Glenn flies more often in the late 2020s (e.g. with Kuiper), a consolidation of the product line can't be ruled out.
I have actually been wondering about how the Vulcan-New Glenn relationship will work out ever since BE-4 was chosen way back in 2014. 10 years later and I am still wondering.

[graceful glade]

I think it would happen at least 5+ years from now

Vulcan has heritage and ULA throwing government employees to work on the rocket give them advantage in government contracts. It takes a lot of heritage and confidence to get NSSL etc

[wicked adder]

I think BO would carry out the remaining Vulcan launches for USSF but switch most payloads to NG. The other thing that concerns me is NG’s cadence. Beff Jezos said in an interview that they might only do like 21 some launches a year of NG (I don’t remember the exact number)

I don’t understand why ULA even needs to be bought

Also I think we need just a general Vulcan discussion thread since this one’s been being used for that. Starship has one, so it could be similar

[quartz wharf]

Make Centaur V New Glenn's third stage

It would probably end up making New Glenn about 110m tall but idc

[indigo jungle]

Need to switch S2 to some high thrust Methalox thing tho

[graceful glen]

Have Astrobotic stated where the leak is?

[indigo jungle]

And the issue is that BO clearly wants to go some form off full reusable

[quartz wharf]

Yeah but the second stage being reusable... if it's Stoke-style like their patents suggested then that would mean hydrolox yes or yes

It's the only one that works efficiently for a regeneratively cooled heatshield

[graceful glen]

or is this more like a thruster is stuck on or something?

[indigo jungle]

NGS2 is already an absolute elephant tho, from what very little old data we have

Hopefully they actually got performance out of it but

[graceful glade]

CLPS being a p3 thing i doubt we will ever get the full failure report if there is any

[quartz wharf]

I mean if NG can launch 45 tonnes to LEO in reusable mode then it should be able to lift Centaur V nearly into orbit, a bit under that if you carry something on top

But it could be very beneficial for a beyond-LEO sort of version of NG

[indigo jungle]

Thing is if I see BO do beyond Leo its not really with NG
There isn't a market enough for GTO/GEO beyond military
Beyond that its even smaller
And the work to put into it is not insignificant

I still hope the US fires down this merger due to competitive stuff like they sometimes do

Or it falls through somewhere else

[graceful glen]

I'm curious if it's somehow possible for them to isolate the leak?

Based on what I've seen Peregrine seems to have multiple propellant tanks

My understanding of fuel systems is pretty low so I could be totally off on my assumption

[ancient marten]

aw

[robust warren]

blue ghost will be an impactor right?

[fossil quiver]

https://vxtwitter.com/torybruno/status/1744475990019952856

We found ULA’s secret

[oak matrix]

Yes

[wicked adder]

Isn’t NG’s third stage Blue Ring?

[lilac tide]

That’s just a tug

[wicked adder]

Fair enough, but I do wonder if BO adopts Centaur V if they’ll use BE-3U on it instead of RL10

Or even BE-7

[lilac tide]

They’ll keep RL10

It’s just better

[wicked adder]

Unfortunate, I think we need a replacement for the RL10 and soon. It’s so expensive. I can never find an official figure, but I think it costs somewhere between 30-50 million

[lilac tide]

RL10Cs can get below 10 million

I think ULA bought them for that cost for a whole bunch of flights

[wicked adder]

Still, I wonder how much performance loss it would be to use a BE-3U or BE-7 or another hydrolox engine

[lilac tide]

Probably significant

RL10 is still the best hydrolox upper engine there is and the C upgrades were made to make it more efficient and cheaper

[wicked adder]

Vulcan uses the RL10C-1-1 right?

I’m just trying to look at stats and compare them

I just looked and BE-3U had about 7 times as much power than a single RL10

BE-7 had about half the thrust as a single RL10, so they would need 4 to replace them

[wicked adder]

@quartz wharf @red zephyr since you were the ones in the convo with me, I thought you might be interested in this, he hasn't responded yet, but just in case you want to see if he does: https://fxtwitter.com/Kerballistic07/status/1744708537245184507

[red zephyr]

Well below 5

The ridiculous per engine costs were thanks to EUS

[wicked adder]

Oh well, I still don’t care for RL10

But there aren’t any good alternatives right now

[robust warren]

what did RL10 do to you

[wicked adder]

But personally, I think ULA should throw a few J-2Xs on Centaur and let her fly

[wicked adder]

Cost too much

[robust warren]

💀

[robust warren]

and a J-2X wouldnt

also that would destroy Centaur

[wicked adder]

Sure, Centaur would be out of fuel in seconds, but it would be funny

[robust warren]

make centaur 6

[wicked adder]

Oh it would cost more, but it would be funny

[wicked adder]

6, the amount of J-2Xs on there

[robust warren]

💀

death

[wicked adder]

But funny

[red zephyr]

Vinci

https://fxtwitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1744528192797286423

[wicked adder]

I didn’t even think of Vinci, I’ll have to look into that when I get home

[red zephyr]

it's a fantastic engine, the only question is whether Europe would actually sell it. They put it on the table for EUS but who knows if they'd just outright make them available for sale

[lilac tide]

Nowhere near as efficient

[fossil quiver]

tbh EUS vinci was with extendable nozzle which was dropped (although Vinci's extendable nozzle is still being made for RL-10)

[lilac tide]

Centaur is basically built around RL10

[fossil quiver]

looking at it, Vinci vs RL-10C is about +3s isp at equal expansion ratio

[narrow holly]

Vulcan Cert-1 Isolated Launch Views!
https://images.nasa.gov/details/KSC-20240108-MH-AJN01-0001-CLPS_Peregrine_Mission_One_Astrobotic_ULA_Vulcan_Isolated_Launch_Views-M3159

[viscid scroll]

https://fixupx.com/astrobotic/status/1744770456626893215?s=20

[fossil quiver]

Welp

[short dirge]

https://vxtwitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744835489838854215

[tight ridge]

We are not landing 😔

[short dirge]

https://vxtwitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744859691404927300

[sleek stratus]

depressing

[solemn fog]

nah the tank depressed already

[vast loom]

Pocari

[narrow holly]

Nooooo

[runic kestrel]

I have to nitpick the fact that Beresheet wasn't developed by IAI

Was a different private company

Wait what the fuck they did work on it

Nevermind I'm an idiot

I thought it was solely SpaceIL, my bad

[red zephyr]

We just ignore that there's Russian and Israeli landers in heaven?

[hasty hemlock]

😂

[runic kestrel]

You're baiting me to comment on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on the internet

Nice try

[runic kestrel]

Cool

[grim sleet]

I heard today (and this is something that I agree with) that the reason why we are seeing so many failures/delays/problems with a lot of lunar programs is that all the institutional knowledge on how to fly to the moon was lost 40-50 years ago, and today we are trying to rebuild said institutional knowledge from scatch

[lyric axle]

[runic kestrel]

Yeah pretty much

[graceful glen]

Luna-25 is in heaven because she sabotaged herself to give India the win

She did what had to be done

[lilac tide]

Hence why CLPS is so critical

[sleek stratus]

yep ‼️

like this shit

is why i really really hate it when people go "oh theres no urgency to beat china weve already won by 60 years"

like everyone who worked on apollo is dead or doing documentary interviews at 95

there is functionally no continuity and the nasa of today is not the nasa that did all that stuff in any way

we immediately pivoted to doing shuttle shit for decades, barely touched planetary again until the 2000s, and even then the us's pace is slowing down with msr and whatever tf jpl is doing just as everyone else is ramping up

theres a reason why china got robotic lunar sampling and far side rovers done way before anything from the general artemis sphere even touches the moon

[solemn fog]

jpl not beating the jobs program allegations

[graceful glade]

??? We landed stuff on other planets between apollo and now

[radiant shoal]

I've never seen "jpl is a jobs program" takes outside of "space fan" communities on discord and twitter

[solemn fog]

eh “jobs program” is a bit of a stretch tbh

but they’ve got some organization issues