#Falcon Heavy | ViaSat 3 Americas & Others
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here we go
SCRUB IT NOW
T-30 seconds
bru
15
15
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10
Further
its going!
Liftoff!
liftoff!
Liftoff
It
oooo
Fast
damm my stream is off 😭
IT FAST
it go
15s behind the world gang
it so fast
2x
Go Falcon Heavy!
Max-Q
max w
Might just be the fact it's night
possibly
That thing is pitching over quick
that thing is going
wow
shallow trajectory to get the velocity to go direct to GTO
places
woooah
lower
i don't Rember
The effect
nice shot!
Plume lit up
BECO
boosters have completed their mission and now are gonna die
BECO
Rip B1052 and B1053
o7
Very cool ciew
big jellyfish
they lied to us about being expended
this is sad
prob still need the RCS to get away from the core
WOAH
cool view
DAMN
woaaah
this has some GREAT SHOTS
insane
inferno
meco
crazy
MECO at 17000km/h
ses
rip B1068
Earth view is cool
o7 B1068
fast core stage
is this going into a parking orbit first or is it going direct to GTO?
thats 4.7 km/s
fairing sep
17000km/h holy fuck
YOOOO
I would assume direct to GTO based on the speed
woahhhh
Holy shite.
that's sick
Phone?
!!!
don’t think they’re gonna land this center core yall
lucky night to see it
thats over 60% orbital velo
@ivory gust best launch youve seen?
Arcturus photo bomb too.
its gonna be one hell of an entry burn
boosters going for a drink
The velocity at separation.... Bruh
entry burn(ing up)
Wen core to near orbit, SLS style
not nearly as fast
yes, if it gets up to 3000m.s it's direct to GTO
delta 4 heavy is like 6.5 jn.s
SLS is close to 7.5 i think
what is highest speed falcon 9
i think its less than 3km/s
my gosh that's far
stage 2 fts
probably an expendable F9
How do they measure the speed
btw also love how short first burn is
extra toasty fairings
wait did the fairings stay on until S2 sep
yes
yup
mhm
seacoah 1
they separated at 130km
those fairings are going places
good lord 😭😭
nominal parking orbit
nominal NOI
Stage 1 at Florida apparently
the ocean
what kind of TPS do they have on these fairings 
i just checked
this mission is crazy, even if the boosters were expended
mini starships
and ussf was 4028m/s
nsf had very cool views as well
to compare real quick, USSF-67 had BECO velocity at 5670 while ViaSat-3 had BECO velocity at 10,000
nearly 2x
this thing had seen enough tornadoes
jeez
it got out of there
that fast
that is very fast
arabsat 6A was ab 3km/s
o7 1052 😭😭
so next FH USSF-52 at some point this year!
so 1700m/s diference from fully reusable f heavy
or Jupiter-3
MECO for both missions was about the same at 16,500
to fully expendable
makes sense
core burns the same cuz expended
that is wrong
boosters for longer cuz also expended
ah nvm, sorry I was glancing quick
yea ab 1700m/s faster than arabsat and about 700m/s faster than ussf 67

this is the fastest a f9 booster has gone
wow arabsat was only 300m/s faster than expendable f9
🫡
🫡
So did anyone at Florida catch the entry burns?
ha ha ha
Not a joke lol
Fairings deployed. This marks the 100th reuse of flight-proven fairings
822
131
already 100 holy crap
Repost
Next all-expendable FH on manifest is Europa Clipper
When's that?
you mean entry burning up 
This year, or next year? I can't remember?
2024
October 10, 2024
october
Ahh. Thanks
Yeah I mean lighting up the engines is some sort of burning up
i guess
back from baking some stuff did it go or scrub
it went
it went
awesome
launch over time to sleep
SpaceX's Falcon Heavy, still the world's most powerful operational commercial rocket, climbs into the sky from Kennedy Space Center in Florida at twilight tonight with the ViaSat 3 Americas internet satellite. https://t.co/qBjZOLufDb
spaceflight now got a great shot
you can watch it pitch radial-in to gain velocity
Wow it was going insanely fast
how long is a normal gto burn
around a minute I think
merlin is powerful
so why is this 2 mins
is it bec doing inclination
LOS Gabon
change
if this was RL10 the burn would be something like 10 mins 
its was in a circular LEO, its now changing to a GTO
maybe
I doubt it
This one it is 2 minutes because it's heavier
its more efficient to do inclination changes at apogee
burn seems to have gone well
actually true yeah
bec has to go from 28 deg to almost zero
seco when
AOS Malindy?
Its orbital insertion burn was less than 4 minutes long so it's more loaded with propellants cause it was not 6 minutes
ohhhh
makes sense
makes sense
SECO occurred in coms blackout
alright
what is our guess
SES-3 will be at 04:48 UTC
i am a student of aerospace engineering
It cleared the pad a lot faster this time or is it just me?
maybe when i take orbital dynamics next sem i could give better num
FH does have a higher liftoff TWR IIRC
I would guess this was closer to 55 tonnes to LEO
I see
when does it do the inclination change
During 3rd burn
Hohmann transfer orbit means that you always change your inclination at apogee to save delta-v
That's also why for GTO missions you wanna make the 2nd burn (LEO->GTO) across the equator - you want to put the apogee over the equator so that you can change your inclination to 0 (eventually)
BTW this will be the longest launch mission ever covered by SpaceX in full apparently
(disregarding Crew Dragon in-orbit coverages)
Previous record was Falcon Heavy/STP-2 with last payload sep. at T+3h 35m
(unless you count the FH Demo/Starman views, which was not continuous and skipped the later 2 stage-2 burns I think)
Were they even visible? I am quite disappointed in myself, slept through liftoff 
Well, we tried catching them with the KSC cams but they weren't pointed in the right direction
(not my fault, I can't move those)
gotcha okay so they don’t burn direct into GEO
So what's even the point? Trying to remain in contact through the hellish plasma as far down as possible or?
If your launch site is close enough to the equator, you can combine the first two burns.
This is exactly what's planned for Ariane 6 (Ariane 1-4 and most Ariane 5 versions can't do direct-to-GEO because the upper stage can't be restarted - only the Ariane 5 ES version could, and it was never used for GTO/GEO bound missions).
did it we are going today
what does the LC-39A schedule look like now that this one has launched?
Well
Let's say there might be some private human spaceflight company not very happy
.....oof
what did I miss?
Falcon became less Heavy
huh
Axiom AX-2 would probably need to look for another gap in the LC-39A and ISS schedules
oh that one
Cargo Dragon CRS-28 will need to launch in early June
They can't launch Ax-2 in late May as previously planned and leave the T/E in Dragon config to do back to back ISS missions? What's the holdup
Then there are many FH missions lining up behind as well (USSF-52, EchoStar 24/Jupiter-3, Psyche etc.) that WILL have to use 39A
Wonder if ISS VV schedule is a problem as well
Cygnus NG-19 (which last I heard might be abandoning the final Antares 200 for F9) and Starliner CFT are behind in July
SpX-28 needs to launch in early June, it's higher priority than Ax-2
I really haven't heard a confirmation of Ax-2's delay but I did hear 10 days ago that if Viasat-3 delayed by another week, Axiom-2 would jump to the slot for Axiom-3 in September
....... 
September...wow
So I'm guessing that's what's going to happen
Ben Cooper is no longer listing it on his website
Yeahhhhhh... RIP A230+
I'm wondering whether they'll contract another F9 or just introduce Antares 330 one mission earlier
Did we ever heard why
Only Eric Berger seems to have reported on that as rumor
so if Ax-2 is in September, does SpX-28 get moved up to fill the slot?
Idk
I had an update on LC-39A's schedule like two weeks ago but it's already f-ed up
No, still isn't anything past a Berger rumor so far as I know, but considering Yuzhmash and Energomash aren't really super willing to help at the moment and spare parts don't exist... Kinda expected this
So how did it go?
so far so good
Nice
I guess ULA did a better in-house servicing job of RD-180 then, Tory Bruno once confirmed they can handle possible problems by themselves
Stuck around about ten minutes to let traffic clear, didn't see anything.
the same fairings?
aight time for some pics
payload cams for a second
im done
what time est will geo burn be?
good question
so 12:47 ish
12:49ish yeah
yea
i would think that may bee too small
could be a planet
I doubt that would be visible
This mission might be going "away" from the moon
so its possible it would appear smaller
clearly its a UFO guys smh
true
do we know is spacex alt is from sl or center of earth
any light you see on a spacex webcast should always be interpeted as tech from ancient aliens
so that is like apogee of less than 2000km below geo belt
I've checked multiple streak shots from several photographers and none caught the entry burn of the boosters
yooo
entry as in them burning up
That was the reason why the had RCS thrusters
They didn't burn to depletion on this flight on the side boosters
bec normally dont safe boosters right after sep
Which is why I said there's more performance left on this rocket but they didn't use it
didnt they do that
Wdym?
maybe they wanted the least amount of fuel in the 2nd stage post deployment
FTS was safed right after sep
since this one has no chance of decaying
yeah, stage 2 is staying up near GEO
Well they had some leftover performance which is why they were able to reserve propellant for the test
I do think they could have done double ASDS on this one but they just decided not to cause they're really old boosters
right after beco we hear both side boosters are safed
ik but when they do landing they dont safe until end of landing burn
Otherwise no Falcon 9 booster would ever do an entry burn
No
AFTS gets safed before entry burn
exactly, they do that to stage 2 right before it reaches orbit
For every F9 landing
i also dont think faa would ever let engines fire wo fts
why
AFTS =/= FTS
Watch a Falcon 9 booster entry and rewind like one minute
And listen to the call outs
AFTS is safed always before the entry burn of every Falcon 9 booster
And for second stage it is always safed like 10-20 seconds before it reaches orbit
but still its never safed right after sep
Yeah but in this case it doesn't matter cause it doesn't affect how the engines work
are you theorizing that the entry burn happened
It's an independent system and the only reason it was deactivated is because the side boosters are gonna go in the drink anyways
No I'm not theorizing
or do you know this for sure
Yes, I know they were going to do that on this flight
And that it is why the side boosters were equipped with RCS thrusters and fired them after separating from the center core
were there callouts?
I doubt it since they would have been noticed
No, they have ways to hide the call outs
They've done that before
Entry should have been at around T+6:30
More or less
I wonder if the boosters made it to the sea or if they broke up since they didnt have gridfins
oh shit
I wonder if this burn will be visable from NA
I suspect they probably lost control
The test could also have failed for all I know, I have no idea how it went
I highly doubt it
Unless it was some new 9 engine entry burn 😆
Nah hahaha

Isn't Psyche fully expendable now?
no
Who said that? lol
Idk, I thought it changed because it was going at a new window, idk
idk idk idk
anyway im gonna hop outside and see if I can catch the insertion burn
It's not like Psyche is a 10 tonne spacecraft hahahaha
wait where would it be visible from?
Satellite is going to be in service over NA
So it might be visible from NA
But I'm not sure
GEO is low speed relative to the Earth
so speed goes down
like how they overshot zero by few km/hr
or just wierd telemetry
well considering its a Falcon S2, I highly doubt it was 100% accurate lol
OOO EARTH
pog
Is the Earth blue
the earth is all white
is that oversat earth
yea lol
theyre tumbling?
sse the puff
Didn't realize how big it is
Lol no
It was targeting a 34620km orbit
And look at the altitude
oh cool
It's not directly at GEO, it's slightly below it
what is target inclination
Which was the target orbit
is it zero
Tmk, 0º
Im assuming for S2 disposal reasons?
my guess too
And probably satellite drift
we will know soon enough from jonathan
Probably a "Tory Bruno happy" moment cause of the accuracy
Spaceflight Now says 0 degrees
well it might be 501 meters
idk what spacex's rounding point is
they could be at 34620.499km lol
oh yeah this is on the opposite side of the earth from the USA lol
Deployment from the Falcon 9 second stage lmao
kek
oh yeas lol
but i dont think that would raise both
SUCSESSFUL MISSION!
Let's gooo
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Confirming first signals have been received. 📡 Next up: #ViaSat3Americas will deploy its solar arrays and drift to its final orbital location at 88.9° west longitude.
nah its clearly B126
geostationary is 0 inclination, so directly above the equator, geosynchronous is not directly above equator
yeah
And PPE/HALO apparently
That being said if any mission is FH3R it'll probably be Nancy Grace, it's significantly lighter than JWST which launched on A5 sooo
4166kg launch mass vs 6161 for JWST
falcon large
Oh it did it's thing
what about GOES-U
~5.2mt to GEO, launched by AV 541 previously, probably FH2R
Doubt it
Probably ASDS
Depends if they want to do GTO or push things are hard as they can, I dunno if even full expend can get it directly to GEO
If someone wants to math that out feel free, silverbird is useless for this
Idk, this launch was ~7t and they only did the entry burn on the side cores
EchoStar 24 is 9 tonnes
So I would bet it'll be another triple kill
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Two objects from the Falcon Heavy launch cataloged in 34550 x 34620 km x 0.1 deg sub-sync orbit.
Expecting two more objects from this launch.
70km off in perigee
1 km apogee
.1 deg of in inclination
Pretty solid
does someone have good delta v estimation
about 45m/s off from perfect GEO
Wdym?
43.5m/s off
ohhh
so thats nothing for these guys
i bet the target was prob +- 1000km
for apogee
something around that
what would you guess margins are
Target orbit was 34621 x 34621 x 0°
ik i got that
i was asking what would delta v from that to geo
but already answered
btw for all of us that were curious there is a spredheet comparing falcon 9 and heavy gto prefomance
also includes meco velocity
so falcon heavys boosters were going faster than a expendable falcon 9
they were going about 2800m/s
do we know if ussf-52 is still doing gto?
Direct to GEO
was it confirmed
It's the same mission profile as 44 and 67
ik that is what we speculated based on price going up
Price going up was due to addon services
wasnt it originaly speced for 6350kg to gto
Wasn't 52 the one that added on the VIF
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
I HAVEN'T WATCHED THE LAUNCH BUT WHAT THE FUCK
10 000KM/H AT 80KM WHEN BOOSTER SEPARATION OCCURED
LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
17000km/hr at centecore shutdown
DAMNNN
60% of orbital velo
ab 2km/s faster than falcon 9 expendable
1700m/s faster than abrabsat
700m/s faster than ussf67
Nope
Publicly no one knows where USSF-52 is going
Oh? It's different from the last two? Goofy
And it'll remain like that for a while I believe
Molnyia or something goofy like that?
This one I really can't say
Lol
Only thing I did related to it was moving it to July and remove GTO as its orbital destination
he knows too much lol
Launch is about two months away so hopefully they talk about it publicly soon but we'll see
I mean we'll know once the TFRs are posted.. kinda
it is better than nothing but it only tells us what direction the vehicle is going, not the final destination
FCC permit will tell us the landing type
I think it'll be RTLS
Some others think ASDS
We'll see
No
i was looking on nsf fourm
and they say it may have done supersynch insertion to be faster
is there any credance to that
also isnt a geo coast normally 6hrs
why was this only 4
btw
Will boosters info (e.g. flight # and turnaround time) appear on ViaSat-3 mission card?
I'm holding my urge to ping Managers 
@crude bridge or whoever is online rn 
@managre

I have already talked about this to @languid tinsel yesterday - Michael agreed it was weird. Not sure if the fix is being worked on (I don't know who else is working on the app and database codes)

michel
mother Michel
Ability to read : denied
literally
Yeah I expected these to be the same for FH boosters (or even cores, if there's a chance in the future) recycled and expended at the end, but it didn't for 1052/3.
(It's fine for 1068)
I was thinking he said it will look weird
but the meaning was it's just bugged 
One of the biggest space scams were the USSF-44 & 67 double droneship landings
no
USSF-52 might be one
yeah it isn't clear as of now
Stage separation at sunset, followed by second stage engine startup, and payload fairing deploy
This was the first time flight-proven fairings supported a Falcon Heavy mission, and it was the farthest downrange landing and recovery of fairings to-date at 1,200+ miles – nearly a third of the way to Africa!

damn
Dayummmmm
goes hard
Fairing reentry on the ViaSat-3 mission was the hottest and fastest we've ever attempted. The fairings re-entered the atmosphere greater than 15x the speed of sound, creating a large trail of plasma in its wake
Holy hell that's badass
that is sick
was the recovery successful?
I wanna ride on it
Fairings can’t transmit video so yes
it’s just a gopro
that’s crazyyyy
these things are gonna be s c o r c h e d
very impresssed
They reentered at almost 5km/s
Another reason ULA should reuse Vulcan fairings
If Blue is going for it, ULA should do it too
C'mon Tory
Scoop those suckers out of the ocean
Gonna be useful for Kuiper launches
does it make financial sense for them
Well, it would definitely help launch cadence
They're going full steam ahead with SMART now precisely because they have all those dozens of launches for Kuiper
If it weren't for those launches they probably would still working on it slowly
absolutely insane
is this the first time we see footage from a fairing in reentry?
at least its the first time i do
Yes, they're made by Beyond Gravity and supposedly like $10M per pair
in reality or like shuttle srb recovery
how much will it cost ULA to get them back and also to buy less of them due to reuse
I mean, shuttle solid recovery kinda did help them on cadence I think, just not cost
overall i don’t think RUAG/Beyond Gravity would be exactly thrilled
Probably a hell of a lot less than $10M
did it?
i know it was bad on cost
They're already sending out a M A R I N E A S S E T for the thrust section anyway
Not that much more difficult to pick up the fairings
yeah if they didn’t have thrust section asset it wouldn’t really make sense
this is part of it too i’m sure
hey baes do you wanna help us design a fairing that means we pay you less instead of buy more from you xoxo tory
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You would need to pay Ruag to design failings that can deal with reentry so you can buy less of their products
yeah
We saw the video from... I think STP-2?
There was some plasma, but not as intense as these
ok
Came across on my YouTube this morning. Pretty neat set up, great video.
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Yooo it’s super amazing!
Yeah, pretty awesome set up.
Fairings are home!
And they got them both! Impressive
Toasty
very
what is the number of flights of each fairing half?
Well, they are also the first Falcon Heavy fairings which are not new as they had flown before.
Are the fairings FH specific?
Idk
Or just the first flight of FH with previously flown fairings
First flight of FH with used fairing halves
This was the first time flight-proven fairings supported a Falcon Heavy mission, and it was the farthest downrange landing and recovery of fairings to-date at 1,200+ miles – nearly a third of the way to Africa!
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