#Artemis I Mission
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again, where are you gonna get the carbon
long term habitation and breath 🙂
I so hate the fxtwitter thing
No I mean fill it up enough to get back in LEO in the first place
its fully topped when leaving LEO
shitty drymass
its also designed to be fully fueled on Mars surface
Yeah that's true isn't it
but it can get to and land on mars on the same amount of fuel as it takes to get to the moon?
it can carry enough fuel for a one way trip to Mars landing
the main difference for the Moon is that it has to carry enough fuel to get to, land, and get back up without refueling
so that eats up that fuel
How is Starship HLS going to dock with Orion
gateway
Is the Noscone going to open up a docking port
A3
I mean, you can watch the video without opening twitter, sometimes it looks better than on twitter.
Yes
the nosecone pops off in orbit
you've gotta be kidding me
speaking of gateway is it currently super behind
no
Yeah but what if I want to RT it 😦
its on schedule for 2025
so will it be there for A3
Click the link, it redirects to regular Twitter
No it doesn't
it does
eh, probably not, though it really depends on when A3 launches
which will then redirect you to web twitter
Which I don't even use for twitter
which is pretty much the best it can do on iPhone
thats just an iphone moment
because launch in 2025 means arrival in 2026
This is what we call a skill issue
just log in in the browser/click the open in app button
Damn you
barely fxtwitter's fault
hell they only exist to fix discord's issues
Yeah discord issues that only happen to non twitter users lol just open the app damn it
I love leaving discord to watch a 3 second video
Wait hold up don't you literally have an iPhone
Did you just predict what I was going to say only to say it yourself
I love opening safari and log in there on twitter all for a 3 second video

yes because its a feature that annoys the fuck out of me
Ahh
samsung gang
I am aware that someone in here very much likes samsung
no idea why i'd think that tho
I had a samsung
Hmm perhaps that person used to have samsung in their username or something
Could be wrong, idk
ewww why is your fingerprint reader there
Because there's nowhere else to put it
oh is that a hyperexpensive unrepairable foldable phone?
I say that as if any samsung phone is affordably repairable
I paid $450 for it, so it's not really hyperexpensive, as for repairability, well, hopefully I won't have to deal with anything more intensive than an outer display replacement ($150)
christ
The gens are sorta
Gen1: Fold
Gen1.5: Z Flip / Flip 5G
Gen2: Z Fold2
Gen3: Z Fold3 / Flip3
Gen4: Z Fold4 / Flip4
I'm rocking an A52s 5g
Ah yeah A series is trash
I like it because it doesn't have an exynos processor
Just get a last gen flagship
so it's actually a decent phone
Exynos is a meme, but QC isn't doing so great as of late either TBF
SD 8 Gen1 draws 10.8W at peak
Fucking nuts
I mean I bought a slightly more expensive phone but at the same time at least I'm not crying out for a new phone 1 year into my contract
thinking about it I got the money from turning 18
should really buy myself out of the cycle next year
Oh yeah and buying this phone also gave me a convenient excuse to get off my family TMobile plan
Have been carefully extricating myself from my family for a couple months now
Keep saying I'm gonna get my own bank account but I keep forgetting
can't you apply onli-
It's not too horrific at the moment
YOU HAVE A BANK ACC WITH YOUR PARENTS?
No, it's my bank account in my name, but my parents still have partial control over it until I'm 21
that's fucked
Yeah
idt anything of the sort even exists over here past 18
I really don't want my family to be able to just yoink my money when the time comes so I really need to get my own
fr but won't they be super sus
Probably
Once I transfer it out they'll have no control over it though so idfc what they think about it
yh
they don't have legal custody over it if you take it out
friendly reminder that america bad
Copy the link and paste it without fx 🤷🏻♂️
And GIF
You mean for Gateway launch???
I've seen some people replicate the FAMK Sea Dragon with SLS.
But I felt it needed to be done right.
So I did it right.
Enjoy 😎
Yes????
Wet dress rehearsal with crew
Yes
Oh SHIT, not again
I have only four words: Ad astra per aspera 
not you trying to make comparisons to Apollo 1
because you somehow have a firm belief that NASA can't make a rocket properly
dude wtf
imagine thinking NASA hasn't learned anything since the 60s
No? Not just NASA, it's all around a bad idea no matter who does it
how is doing a Wet Dress with Crew bad?
If you can avoid doing crewed testing on top of a fully fuelled stack (which you absolutely can) you should
You think NASA's just gonna roll it out for the first time with crew aboard?
Because it introduces an unnecessary amount of risk
Let me point out AMOS-6?
I think there are two WDRs planned
@neat bobcat I see you added a 0, does NASA anticipate making 100 orions? 
its the official designation apparently
I think the first 0 might be a block designation
me when
Me when you shouldn't have to rely on a giant solid rocket motor to keep your crew safe from a test that doesn't need to put anyone at risk in the first place
If I was the crew, I would much rather experience a countdown with the real thing before a flight
you can only simulate so much
Iirc it actually might be two WDR
one with the Orion mass sim and one with crew
though the crew one could be a dry dress
I can't remember
either way, I don't see a problem with a crew WDR, assuming an active LES
the LAS will be active
If you're so afraid of a problem you wouldn't do a crew WDR, then you should be even more afraid of a launch
I figured
Evacuating during a hydrogen leak 🙂
Hoooly shit
Holy fucking shit
Holy fucking fucking shit
beautiful
Artemis proving its worth
This time Orion was closer to the surface, so we might have better images.
IT'S THE MOON
holy balls
i can’t wait to see the 4k video off the cards
Just because rainbow deleted it I'm going to repost it
gorgeous
We’re gonna get Astro selfies through the windows
Mmm
@neat bobcat It looks like Northrop Grumman has decided to quit National Team
NG is out, Boeing is in
I saw
Please tell them to fuck off
Tell them yourself
Boeing are going to make some awful shit
The nearest aerospace manufacturer here is Airbus 
well more like
Just like your mom when she made you
Basedbus
Spacebus
Ok but
Wow i am fucking crying
PLEASE BE FIREFLY
https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1600241377639821312
Northrop Grumman submitted its own SLD bid, per sources. They have a corporate partner but idk who it is.

why doesn't JPL or APL get involved in these
JPL already is under staffed for all they have to do
Core Stage production operating in two facilities now
they only work on robotic programs
not human spaceflight
FFFFFFFF-
That's great
wow that's really cool
Artemis III engine section is being moved to KSC already
in fact this is it right here
so now 3 out of 4 highbays are going to be utilized for SLS operations
Kinda crazy the fact that the most delaying part with Artemis II won't be the core stage
Probably could hit 2 SLS a year with this change
it opens up a lot of space
and allows more wiggle room for EUS production
don't start with that or I'll be having a stroke
Too bad NASA had very strict requirements for leasing the high bays at the VAB
Otherwise all of them would be dedicated to Artemis
Just for two different rockets
it frees up a lot of space
¯_(ツ)_/¯

On Dec. 11, the Artemis I mission will conclude with the entry, descent, and splashdown of the Orion spacecraft. After 25.5 days in space, and a 1.3-million-mile (2.1-million-km) journey around the Moon, Orion is expected to splash down in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of San Diego at 12:40 p.m. EST (17:40 UTC) on Sunday, Dec. 11. The explorat...
I will cut the parachute rope
Holy National Team is massive
That was BO’s strategy last time too, but hopefully this time they also have a really compelling lander to go with it
There ain't no way Dynetics surviving against the top defense contractors in the US 😵💫
do you know what dynetics does
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynetics you might wanna check it out
Hopefully 
them being against defence contractors isn’t exactly a dealbreaker :P
“defence” anyway
Yeah, pretty much immediately after the submission from what I hear
Oh awesome
Dynetics is one of the top defense contractors lol
- already have a long standing relationship with NASA
On Dec. 8, NASA experts will preview the upcoming entry, descent, and splashdown of the Orion spacecraft, which will conclude the Artemis I mission. After 25.5 days in space, Orion is expected to splash down in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of San Diego at 12:40 p.m. EST (17:40 UTC) on Sunday, Dec. 11. The exploration ground systems recovery t...
do not say that about my beloved core stage
@long epoch
FUCK.
Me who knew this already 
I'm guessing these guys are competing for the HLS for Artemis IV and beyond?
Since SpaceX was chosen for Artemis III
or am I missing something?
That's it
Theyre competing for Artemis V and beyond
SpaceX will be providing the lander for Artemis IV as well
I see
On Thursday the Orion landing zone will be defined and on Friday the last check of Orion's status with the integrated cameras will be done.
Post-Artemis plans

Artemis is planned all the way out to XIV
We have hardware for Artemis VI in the works too
Bruh
And cause of the Artemis II capsule we technically have hardware all the way out to Artemis XIV
The crawler transporter is approaching the top of the ramp at launch pad 39B at the Kennedy Space Center. Watch live: https://t.co/cJa3tKv0Xg
They are already here
This is my attempt to put together four of the new images.
my brother in christ these are insane
Yeah
didn't realise the Artemis 3 core stage is so far into construction
nice
I love seeing stuff like this being constructed
The rocket launches themselves are cool and all but bruh
All that behind the scenes stuff
You forget that these are actual pieces of hardware put together using advanced construction techniques
And not just a KSP thing
. 🌎 🌕
🌕
🌕 🌎
#ThrowbackThursday to flight day 13 of the @NASAArtemis I mission. Check out this time-lapse of the Moon transiting across the Earth, captured by @NASA_Orion. 🤩
why does it pulse
It's alive
Orientation changes
so, like, the GoPros distort the image somewhat at different points in the frame?
Mhm
Is there any hardware for the exploration upper stage?
Test hardware and engines
On Dec. 8, NASA experts will preview the upcoming entry, descent, and splashdown of the Orion spacecraft, which will conclude the Artemis I mission. After 25.5 days in space, Orion is expected to splash down in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of San Diego at 12:40 p.m. EST (17:40 UTC) on Sunday, Dec. 11. The exploration ground systems recovery t...
Live on 2 minutes
Sarafin: have noticed degraded performance of phased array antenna 1, resulting in periodic communications dropouts when using that antenna.
…wait, what?
That’s really close to the coast on an astronomical scale
and I had no idea it would be coming in directly from the south despite the out of plane return
I synced the earthrise footage from Orion's return lunar flyby with the raw Apollo 8 audio capturing the moment humans saw a lunar earthrise for the first time. The background music is from Apollo 13.
"On flight day 20, Orion captured the crescent Earth in the distance as the spacecraft regained communications with the Deep Space Network follow...
ATV panels 
feels weird without an SLS
AJ10 IS NOT AN ENGINE, in this case it's AJ10-190
I will die on this hill
Ok
I'll live and spread the word that AJ-10 is an engine
Real
AJ10 literally refers to anything from an engine used on Vanguard (!!) to a 90kgf thruster to the Apollo SM to the OMS on shuttle and now on ESM
Aerojet literally just calls any pressure fed hypergolic engine "AJ10"
You have to give specific versions when discussing it
</rant>
Landing now one minute earlier than previously planned
Miranta
...well played
Artemis I Orion Recovery - Helicopter Simulations
https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221209-PH-KLS01_0033/KSC-20221209-PH-KLS01_0033~orig.jpg
this is peak united states of america
Yes and it's based
true
@cedar portal @final arch
roughly ~600 million dollars per piece of rocket
Babe wake up, new Orion vid was released
It looks like Block 1B might be ~1 billion to produce
Yes, we'll see how this progresses, but it's clear that NASA wants to reduce costs no matter what, a cheaper SLS would give rise to missions outside of the Artemis program, which is what NASA wants too
A cheaper SLS + 50% increased TLI capability is a steal
It feels really weird to think that Artemis I is coming to an end
Of course
after literal years of waiting, Artemis I is finally coming back
The Artemis program is in full swing
Capstone and Orion
Im debating if this forum should be archived after the mission ends
Both around the moon
Or turned into an Artemis Program forum
Artemis program form
Or create something seperate to archive this
uhhh
And that's what the congress likes, to see the fruits of all the money put in, it encourages them to continue supporting this incredible program.
great question
defo something separate
Nop, I'm thinking about what to call it
Artemis Program
Artemis II
Artemis I & II
just make a new thread
Mega Moon Rocket Appreciation Forum
is it fair to call it an appreciation thread when 1/3 of the messages are complaints and calling out idiocy
I was joking but uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
wait better
We can just call it "We Are Going !"
I'd be up for that
I mean, Artemis I won't be finished on Sunday, after that a lot of news and conversations will come out, so we could leave it for a while active before creating the Artemis II one.
that's a lot of results
I mean technically... WE ARE LEAVING
It’s so weird to think about Artemis VI hardware being produced
I would put money on some of the hardware being moved about
?
between missions cause something breaks bad
I can't wait to see the first Gateway module leaving Turin and also the first LTV contract
did you just
oui
We can leave this forum open, if the news are no longer common, we close it but it can be opened at any time, and create the Artemis II Mission forum.
make a thread for every artemis mission that's contracted
Yep
enforce the topic with great precision and ban members who talk about other missions in the Artemis N thread
great idea
complete chaos
I love that
The forums of the lunar landings and Gateway missions will be incredible.
lmaoooo yeah
Just imagine NXF users being like "OH MY GOD WE ARE GOING WE ARE GOING" when the first astronaut steps out of HLS
It’d be amazing if we found some way to archive these forums permanently
So we need threads all the way out to Artemis VI 💀
If it can be done
Forums are only closed and locked, but never deleted, I can open the first ones that were created.
The important thing is that it is deleted
Let's make a thread for every Artemis missions ever contracted 
could we just have an Artemis program thread
We Are Going ! All the way to Artemis XIV
No
they didn't
They only close and lock, but they remain saved.
although he probs wouldn't have went
The old threads are still in #générał-space
Yeah, Thread’s
It’s only contracted by technicality
The rest of the people selected are clowns
They could make room
Tim and literally only Tim
There's a couple "artists," a kpop "star" of some sort, a skateboarder I think?
irish person for representation purposes
"established Polaroid photographer"
bruh
I warned you
Steve Aoki is cool
Either they're going to delay it well into the latter part of the decade until Starship is safe, or they'll introduce Crew Dragon to the mix
Or both
Brendan Hall is so generic he isn't even the first result for the google search "Brandan Hall"
I've heard the name but have no idea who they are
none of these people are particularly off-the-street lmao
A pretty prominent DJ
one of their pics of the spacesuit is next to a CD 🙂
He’s been nominated for some Grammy awards
this shit is still planned for 2023?
every time I see a close deadline I get a little glimmer of hope
and then reality sets in
That was the last I heard but it may have been delayed again.
I mean, they have to take it in time, it's one of the most demanding missions in history, having all those people a week away is a challenge.
Although before that we will see the Polaris missions
doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be disappointed
The engine section for Artemis III just passed through Port Canaveral on the way to KSC. It will arrive at the turn basin later this afternoon.
Read more about how Boeing is expanding SLS production: https://t.co/jjVpfhGuFE
Watch live: https://t.co/buqGxnFtUl
oh god
Next Artemis Flight
yes
real
capstone moment
OH they were country codes
In like 20 years "what was the first mission of the Artemis program" is gonna be a really asinine stupid trivia question people try to trick you with isn't it
Since it's technically CAPSTONE

It's perfect, because most people will say Artemis I and be wrong, the people who think they're smart will say EFT-1 and be wrong
Correct
Pad Abort 1 would also probably be a common wrong answer
Ascent Abort 1 is technically the first
I was about to say
Yeah you're right
I forgot about that
That makes it even more obscure and stupid
Since normal people will say Artemis I, and smartasses will have at least 3 wrong answers (Pad Abort 1, EFT-1, and CAPSTONE)
STS-1 was the first launch of artemis since the engines on artemis 1 used components from sts-1
fight me
Hoopskirt was the first launch of the Artemis Program because Artemis also uses liquid rocket engines
The invention of gunpowder was the first Artemis launch because it uses solid propellant too
Oooooo
Apparently Boeing is paying out of pocket for the High Bay 2 modifications to increase SLS cadence @cedar portal
Modifications will also be made to work on the EUS.
wacky
@cedar portal @valid dock with the production re-arrangement they can have up to 3 Core Stages at the cape in various stages
that's sick
when is thy reentry
Check thy app
The events tab will guide thee
Is that proper Shakespearean? Fuck if I know
forgo
On Dec. 11, the Artemis I mission will conclude with the entry, descent, and splashdown of the Orion spacecraft. After 25.5 days in space, and a 1.3-million-mile (2.1-million-km) journey around the Moon, Orion is expected to splash down in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of California at 12:39 p.m. EST (17:39 UTC) on Sunday, Dec. 11. The explora...
helcopr
H
one (1) hour
artie mas one
Shartemis 1
orion is entering
yes
blackout period 1
ksp 2 looking mighty
AOS
the speed
blackout period 2 in 2 mins
blackout period 2
And snoopy, of course
turnin and burnin yeehaw
-10 Minutes
yeah the foil is designed to come off and burn up
Wow its turning a lot
Yea
50k feet
4 mins
25k
C'mon, just gotta stick the landing now...
DROUGES
drogues
Yes! Drogues deployed
nasa continuing it's tradition of delivering the highest video quality possible
280 mph
is it 3 or 4 main chutes i cant rember
10k
10k feet
shut the fuck up
am I right tho
MAINS OUT
no one except you gives a fuck
5k feet
5k
mains!!!!
it was a passing joke lmao why are you getting so heated about it
Because its fake. Its a laggy animation
the likelihood of nasa fucking this up is incredibly low
its cuz ittst live
esp considering there 3 main chutes out lmao
its an annoying ass joke
3 good main chutes
Doesn't the ship have a visual on orion?
yes
oh im sorry it's almost 2023 and NASA can't provide the quality that some YouTubers were providing in 2013?
Would love to see it
that's the fucking joke
oh im sorry they just sent a fucking capsule to the goddamn Moon
show us external views
your wish
and they can't provide visual quality!!!!
yay
lmao
the fact that we got live video at all is amazing
it's currently on earth
There it is!!!!!!
Unlike E-GOD MUSK who bestows us with THESE EPIC VIEWS from Dragon during Splashdown 😍
"americas ticket to ride to the moon"
Here we go!!!
500 ft
Splashdown!!! WELCOME HOME ORION!!!
YES
SPLASHDOWN!!!
(we went)
Not over yet but
YES!!!!!!
WOOOOO
ORION IS HOME
Artemis I mission complete
WELCOME HOME SNOOPY AND SHAUN
balls inflated
where Shaun
I heard they will let it float for a long long time
SpaceX give us epic views wym? https://lunus.xyz/LzSxkC.png
(I was looking for the one with the F9 logo on it but can't find it quickly)
did the balls harden
looks like it
The balls hardened
the balls have hardened
Uhh, you don't have to have an opinion one way or the other about NASA to realize it's fucking memeworthy
GG orion, GG
gg lockheed martin
4/5 balls
h
NASA having ball problems at this moment in time
we will see if they will resolve themselves or maybe the ball is just taking a while
Splashdown.
After traveling 1.4 million miles through space, orbiting the Moon, and collecting data that will prepare us to send astronauts on future #Artemis missions, the @NASA_Orion spacecraft is home.
OK when is Artemis 2 lollll
2075
early 2025 prob
Probably
ED has been resolved
i want more sls
Mooooore!
yea all 5 balls inflated
5/5 ballssss

emoji spam ban this guy !!!!

Orion has a lot of balls 

I farted
Cute lil boat
J'ai farté*
Ok
We went
we still going
I ate pink chicken
Illegal
We are Going! number 1 complete
WE ARE GOING AGAIN
did anyone bet to do something outrageous if the mission was successful
awaiting on We Are Going! 2
Yes thanks
NASA’s urine spacecraft
WE WENT
We are going part 2 coming soon (2032)
HELCORP
helikopter helikopter
Someone bet $50 that dearMoon would launch before Artemis I like a year ago
Range Zone
But they got banned
haha
my hero
i rember
they le ft
didn’t they
The real bet is A3 and dear moon
oh
I still bet A3
fairly confident A3 first
No they were banned for DM harassment
dearmoon 2030
Mostly because I think that Starship won't get crew rated for a long time
2030 is a good bet
Would orion still be hot / warm?
2094
fucking PeanutPie
L
idk prob not cuz it spent a while falling
ASOG got one hell of a makeover https://lunus.xyz/dCMx7J.png

Yeah you're right
o = orion
real
oh ry an
A Successful Orion G(splashdown)
no damage to the spacecraft
W
Orion is healthy
Common NASA W
big W
Tiiicbwgtstiol
I saw it yesterday but forgot to screenshot it
noooo
😳
🥹
"thats why we're launching it from the middle of nowhere Karen"
when will they recover the SD cards
Sea launched SLS
Ok I have a proposal
Wait wrong image
Let me find it
Ok here
Largest SLS configuration
SLS Block 2 Cargo
You interuopted ky spoch
Ok so whatever
Here
This is SLS cargo block 2
Largest configuration of SLS
My proposal is SLS Cargo Block 3
4 SRBS
And sea launched
Sounds good?
that was neat
beast

mr
I requested some images from launch get approved for release and just got the go-ahead from export control. Here’s one of them

awesome
it's over
nooooo
it’s not over yet
the flight has splashed down but there’s still gonna be Artemis I items for a bit
ARTEMIS II THREAD WEN
get out of my head
Artemis Program forum ?
Ok, this forum will be open for a while longer, then the A2 forum will be created.
Why tf he so interested in the radar what bro hiding
Baa-rilliant news: Shaun is safe and sound and back on Earth after his mission to the Moon! Shaun’s incredible journey concluded with a splashdown off the San Diego coast, successfully completing the Artemis I mission on the Orion spacecraft. Welcome home, Shaun! #Artemis1
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Is this real
Yea he was on board
Real ship
One was not inflated
Game Over
Launch Failed
SpaceX clickbait channels be like
i have two questions:
- will assembly of SLS be different for A2 (and by extent A3)?
- when will the first parts of A2's SLS be stacked in the VAB (assuming it will be SRB segments)?
🤨
also 3. do u think we will see a fully stacked SLS in the VAB by this time next year?
i think the goal is to have SLS (minus orion) ready for pad testing by the end of next year
will they do a WDR for Artemis II?
i assume so
How far will Artemis II get from Earth?
i have heard they will do some pad testing without orion stacked on top as orion will take a little bit to complete and they expect the rocket to be ready before orion
Probably
headless SLS at the pad (although they will probably have some mass sim on top to replicate orion)
they will have a mass sim
same one they used for Artemis I
The mass sim is reusable 10 times !
Assembly process for Artemis II will roughly be the same, but the manufacturing for Artemis III will be different since CS-3 will be finished up inside the VAB. We won't see another SLS stacked for at least another year and a half
so for A3 will the CS be stacked onto the engine section?
also one last question (sorry), not really expecting an answer but will BOLE boosters be stacked like the current ones (segment by segment) or will it be all segments mated then slotted into place (like the core stage)?
yes, the Engine section will be vertically mated with the tanks in High Bay 2
They will be stacked the same
The crane can’t handle a full SRB
according to bill hls is meeting and exceeding benchmarks
what does that mean
Dev go zoom
orbit 2019
its almost a year late already
no
well
no one here who can share it
if anyone has it it would be chance but even then probably not
F
Assuming Starship launches in Q1 2023
and manages to do Propellant transferring in Q3 where do we think we could see A3 happening @neat bobcat
I feel like A3 will probably happen sometime between 2026-28
Its scheduled for Q2 2025 but i feel HLS delays it till Q4 2025/Q1 2026
A3 im guessing late 2026 early 2027
2026 assuming it sticks to that schedule
but Q1 2023 ends in less than a month so
????
it goes by fiscal year
Q1 2023 started October 1st 2022
and will end at the end of the month
Ohh
That's so stupid
Like I get why
But it's stupid
this will be SLS in 2005
We have arrived at

Nah, I haven’t seen it yet. I’ll probably see it the same time you guys do tbh.
yeah
that’s what i was guessing but bc you work on the program you have a slightly higher chance lmao
The boat wants to eat Orion
Balls
HOT HOT HOT
🥵
is that smoke?
dinner
Yeah
whoa
Why it have to be over
Is he alive
or steam
Time to close the thread 
false
The mission is over, so no need anymore
but the high res photos 
leave it permanantly open
then we can have it here for a2
Post mission conferences
Let's list the ways a functional Starship in 2021 changes the game:
• EM-1 becomes EM-none
• Moon and Mars are viable destinations
• Launch an entire Gateway to Moon
• Complete disruption of launch industry
• US immediately becomes dominant in space
584
EM-none aged well
lmaoooooooo
forgot about that
"functional Starship in 2021"
Berger seeing the light???
Starship in Artemis thread?
When was this?
I have no fucking idea
2021 was last year...
Rainbow's reply
The first message was in 2019
Mine was 2 hours ago
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ah okay
I read the article actually tho
Get followed
I wonder to what degree Artemis has political support due to the fact that we haven't been to the Moon in so long. Do people hear that fact and are instantly more inclined to support a new Moon program? As for Artemis's mission architecture, while it is very flawed in a lot of ways, with it's weird mishmash of very different rockets and spacecraft, I cannot deny that it as a sort of awkward brilliance to it in terms of satisfying all the important groups. SLS and Orion satisfies Congress, "old space," and more "traditionalist" groups within NASA; HLS, CLPS, and the Space Suit satisfies "new space" commercial partners while also levering the immensely talented and forward-looking company that is SpaceX. Gateway, even though it has questionable scientific value, does greatly increase the chances of a long-term commitment to at least deep space since why would you spend a bunch of money building a space station and not use it. It's also allows international partners to get involved though contributing modules and resupply spacecraft in exchange for seats on missions.
I think that Artemis is almost certainly going to happen baring a major failure with SLS/Orion despite it's higher cost and inefficient mission architecture goes to show that cost and good mission architecture isn't a guarantee of support.
From what I have heard it sounds like artemis has pretty good political, international, and commercial backing
It really sounds like artemis (no matter how much @long epoch hates it) will be around for some time.
Honestly as much as I hate how expensive Artemis is, I really like the program (although we should be focusing a lot more on mars the moon is a good starting point)
It’s inspiring, it’s bringing back the excitement into spaceflight
Indeed
It won’t ever compare to the Apollo program but Artemis is definitely getting the excitement levels up to that point slowly
(also if you really have an issue then write your congressman or woman)
It sounds like Boeing is going all in though, refurbishing the old ET storage area into a SLS core stage storage area and paying for it out of pocket
IMO Artemis will be just as good as Apollo but for different reasons
I don't hate Artemis in general, just the structure/architecture of it
I'm still hoping for 4 SLS flights per year. 2 to Gateway/Shackleton Base. 1 to another lunar site (Taurus-Littrow, Marius Hills, Tsiolkovskiy Crater, etc...). 1 for another random mission.
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I'll pull a peanutpie and put $50 on us never getting 4 SLS flights a year
And even if I get banned too I'll happily pay out
Well I'm not a betting man so I'll just leave that one be
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4 sls flights a year thats just crazy
Hell, I'd be surprised if we get two in one year
I'd love to be proven wrong but I just don't see SLS ever becoming sustainable
Sure, they'll probably be able to churn out one a year and bring down the cost a bit, but never to the point where it'll be of use to Artemis's supposed goals (sustained Lunar presence, and eventually go beyond the Moon)
4 flights a year won’t happen, I could see 2 in the future
I want 4, I think 2 is what they will get up to, maybe 3.
I mean even getting to the point of 1 a year would be big
The fact that Boeing wants to start assembling SLS cores at Kennedy makes me thing that 2 to 3 per year is doable.
Not for the next fiveish years though.
I hope SpaceX in the future does it’s own lunar missions, maybe a contact similer to the commercial crew program to have SpaceX launch crew to the moon with starship on a regular basis.
I would love something like that
Same
Or even just SpaceX launching crew to the moon without any contract
That would require a great many changes
I was really glad NASA chose SpaceX and Starship as the lander because I think there is great value in having two super heavy launch vehicles - even if one is so much better than the other.
I do think either way things go SpaceX will do at least one of their own landings
There should be two ways of getting humans to the Moon too.
Lunar Dragon, Lunar Starliner, Just Starship in addition to SLS/Orion.
Yes it's more expensive but you hedge your bets.
but why?
untrue
Because why not. They could do so much on a solo mission to the moon
I could see SpaceX doing private lunar missions like DearMoon but a strictly "in-house" lunar mission I see as less likely.
Although SpaceX could use lunar missions as testbeds for Mars missions.
Exactly
They could do just as much on a NASA mission, and importantly, get paid for it
At the same time it's totally within Elon's character to just head right to Mars.
they are just providing the lander they aren’t controlling what science or stuff gets brought or done on the moon, with a in house mission they get to decide exactly what to do, how long to stay, where to go, etc
They get far more control in the mission
They’re not just providing the lander, they’re also supporting its operations
The point is that they’re very involved in all that stuff, including excess payload
And while they would gain meaningful control by operating one on their own, it’s a very significant investment to do so, doubly so if there’s people on board.
And for what? So they don’t have to share the data they collect with NASA? Seems unlikely and undesirable to me.
Flybys I see as popular (hell, they already have two of them on the books) but private landings is just a whole 'nother level of complexity
MAYBE Jared will book one many, many years in the future, but it'd be a hell of a thing
it’s definitely happening
The KSC is enabling tons more work to be done in parallel so we could see up to 6 cores in flow at the same time
What's the fastest GSE turnaround they could do tho
4 months
But that’s absolute fastest
So 2-3 SLS a year at most
Six what.

Should there be an EVA on Artemis II?
Orion is expected to arrive to shore Dec. 13 with offload expected on Dec. 15.
Core stages, but that just means in some stage of production, not that there would be six core stages complete at any one time
So if they had a cadence of three per year (yeah I know) that just means they’d start building a stage about two years before it was planned to launch
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