#Heli Advice (KA-52 mostly)

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bright scarab
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I'm about to unlock the KA-52 and would appreciate some advice for it, and the Hinds if anyone is up for it

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@dense vessel :))

dense vessel
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Yo, I’ll put some stuff here a bit later today, how much experience do you have in helis right now?

bright scarab
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No rush

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Hmm I think I've got flight basics down and know not to just hover randomly

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most of my experience has been in the 24A for the russians, I do great in PvE but taking it out to GRB has me struggling a bit

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mostly due to the fact that I run it at 9.3+

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I'm capable of rocket running the Hind P, but at 10+ its a bit of a tonka and easy bagel prey

dense vessel
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Ok gotcha. Do you have an experience with missile helis?

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Atgm’s and fighting at range

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Good to know that you know not to hover, that’s crucial, never hover when you’re fighting, you will die

bright scarab
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at range would be try and hover slightly above hills, launch then slowly hover down right?

dense vessel
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Not at all tbh

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You never want to hover in grb

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You will get fucked up

bright scarab
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right uh I worded it wrong

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I dont know the term where you're not hovering but not exactly going fast

dense vessel
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Always move side to side a bit so that proxy shells can’t hit you w accuracy

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I know what you mean now

bright scarab
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ah alright

dense vessel
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So in a heli, first priority is spaa

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Learn where spawns are and look for spaa/radar blips/proxy shell tanks

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Kill the spaa while you’re as low to the ground as you reasonably can be

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Then go up and start killing ground targets

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I’ll try and get a few videos as well about dodging Roland’s

bright scarab
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do you recommend using the hover feature to lower speed?

dense vessel
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Never

bright scarab
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I tend to rely on it beacuse my flying skills are low, so I use the hover feature to lower speed before launching ATGMs

dense vessel
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Throttle down and pitch up

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Keep the ka above 30% collective

bright scarab
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okay got it

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when dodging missiles, I see youtube vids where they get told about the launch

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so they pop flares and do like a dive

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is that the correct way?

dense vessel
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If it’s a Roland or asrad missile, you can barrel roll and dodge it if you have enough altitude, pantsir, vt1, and adats you need to be low enough to the ground and hope they don’t hit you or kill them before the missile makes impact w you

bright scarab
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barrel rolling is Yaw right?

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also so for a RLD or asrad theres no need to dip, just roll and dodge? which I assume means like move sideways quickly?

dense vessel
dense vessel
bright scarab
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oh sure, though you don't have to go through the effort if there's a youtuber who you can recommend that has good guides

dense vessel
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Quality is a bit meh but you can see a bit what I mean

bright scarab
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also that looked really cool

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also the maintain a sideways momentum

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I see

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while I have you, would you have any tips for the Hind P at 10.3? or is it a hard uptier and I should just research the Hind M?

dense vessel
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Rearm if needed

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Basically I play to do as much as I can in the time I’m alive, I am not trying to stay alive and do what I can

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If I die, so be it

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Someone made a meme graphic of my 11.0/high tier gameplay a little while ago but it is very accurate

bright scarab
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HAHHA

bright scarab
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get as much as I can per life and go from there

bright scarab
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thank so much for the help

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like with helis and maps

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I squad up with new players so you're helping like 5 to 6 guys at a time honestly

dense vessel
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More on the timing and gameplay side of things

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The nuances of what to look for

serene rose
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Expect me on your doorstep in one year.

dense vessel
serene rose
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I just failed the fuck out of a semester test

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Like

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First one 40%

dense vessel
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We will make bbq to get over the suffering

serene rose
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This one maybe 30%

dense vessel
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Unlucky man, you’ll get the next one

serene rose
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There is no next one

dense vessel
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Ope

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Here’s hoping for a curve

serene rose
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Likelihood of 90% failing this module.

bright scarab
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but yeah, really appreciate it

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would watching Hunter in the meantime be fine? He gets recommended on my feed a lot

dense vessel
serene rose
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He doesn’t seem to get super high kill matches from what I have seen but yeah he will probably have the most videos for you to watch on it.

bright scarab
bright scarab
bright scarab
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@dense vessel do you take igla missiles? I refer to your version of the heli onion but I have 0 spaa LOL

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so is it possible for an inexperienced player like me to defend themselves from jets

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or do I just try and get as many kills as I can before they counter revenge cas me

dense vessel
dense vessel
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Also you want to get the spaa quickly. They are the sleeper backbones of lineups

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Especially at high/top tier

bright scarab
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yeah good spaa makes or breaks a game once cas comes out

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okay yeah I meant on the 52

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thanks

dense vessel
bright scarab
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so uh

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I take the Ka52 out for a spin

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and I forget to switch from the dumbfire missiles to the atakas

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:((

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HAHAH I was wondering why they werent launching

bright scarab
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also, what missiles does the Ito have?

dense vessel
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Vt1’s

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Second fastest missile in game

bright scarab
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ah I see so my mistake was trying to roll when I shouldve dipped down

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do you start slinging from heli spawn, or do you try and fly behind the enemy spawn before popping up?

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also, does the radar help at all? this is my first CAS with radar so Im not entirely sure how to use it

bright scarab
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got my first kill lol the dopamine hits diffy vs killing with tanks

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dense vessel
dense vessel
bright scarab
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Im kinda struggling, as I spawn in theres no enemy cas and cap

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then a bit later I get swarmed by f16s and gripens

bright scarab
dense vessel
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There ya go, aa will be your biggest threat when you first spawn

bright scarab
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rn its jets lol not having iglas makes it difficult

dense vessel
bright scarab
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I get it now yeah

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do you use the radar at all?

dense vessel
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So if they are flying at you, lock them and use a vikhir, it has an a2a proxy fuze

dense vessel
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Simply bc I want to be spamming missiles more lol

bright scarab
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lol yeah man now I understand heli players with these

bright scarab
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I have to say, its not as easy as I thought it would be

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oftentimes I panic when I hear the missile launch sound

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and take the wrong evasive action

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but I figure experience will cover that in time

dense vessel
bright scarab
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okay I cant tell if thats a joke, but its a funny one if it is lol

dense vessel
dense vessel
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Open your cockpit after takeoff

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It’s an old trick I learned from an old heli dueler I’ve played w a bit

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You have far better sound perception of what’s going on, you can hear jets and enemy helis a bit further out, you can potentially hear tank shells or aa fire as it goes past you, and overall just hear what’s going on a bit crisper

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It’s not going to always be easy to hear the jets, but it’s doable

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Sometimes

bright scarab
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damn okay, I didnt know that

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yeah after that its just now all skill issue

bright scarab
dense vessel
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Then once one spawn is clear, go to the other one and do the same

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On some maps you can memorize it pretty easily but I still mark spawn on a lot of maps

bright scarab
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yeah helis are my first cas so it takes me a while to get my bearings so I do the trick a lot

bright scarab
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also my inexperience shows sometimes lol I focus too much on looking for targets that I wander too far

dense vessel
bright scarab
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I used to hate helis, now I understand

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Incidentally, what missiles does the 81C have? I tried barrel rolling and those smacked me right outta the sky

dense vessel
bright scarab
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yeah I couldnt shake it at all

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I guess we just take advantage of the fact that its only 6km so long as its not rear aspect?

dense vessel
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I haven’t tried to proxy it yet with missiles, I’ll test that today if someone I know w a type 81 is on

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But basically it’s a death machine

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Glad you’re enjoying playing helis overall tho man!

bright scarab
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I am and I hate it HAHHA

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I used to enjoy tanks

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now I see tanks as a way to get into helis

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now Im bum rushing the Mi's so I can have two helis

dense vessel
dense vessel
bright scarab
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yeah I figured that'd be the most optimal way, but sadly I've played 0 ARB so the Mi is closer than the SU's lol

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will probably cop the 39 this sale then spend time grinding air for a fighter/strike craft

bright scarab
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ohh reading the new devblog, how would dodging the new fox 3 missiles work?

dense vessel
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No clue. Haven’t fought them in helis yet lol

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Most likely by getting low and dodging, they might have a hard time locking if you’re not moving

bright scarab
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yeah I was reading comments on them and the post, and it seems ground interferes with them

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tthankfully it seems its more of a problem for ARB players lol

bright scarab
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thoughts on the rooivalk? Im thinking of picking up the OES, chally 2 and rooivalk

dense vessel
bright scarab
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Ah, didnt even realize the AH-1 had those

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here I thought the mistrals were good

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well if its solid, guess Ill take it while I grind it out

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thanks

bright scarab
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hows the mi-28N and NM? Im close to getting the N but 11.0 with only atakas make me iffy

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do I bother crewing that one or do I go straight for the NM? I have a lineup for both

sweet tide
bright scarab
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the NM? the NM can carry VIKHRs though

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also, I'd appreciate the link and you can send it here since its an advice thread lol

dense vessel
bright scarab
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well Im definitely enjoying the 52, so ill withhold judgement till I try the N and NM

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for the N, do you take it with the 11.3 tanks or 10.7?

dense vessel
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@bright scarab this is what I normally run, this is, I think, my most played lineup in game. It’s usually t80um2 into ka50. This is the lineup that the rojnion was created from

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I have run this a lot tho as well

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Both are really good

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As I said, just depends on what I’m going for

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And who is in my squad. The mi28 is cheap as shit to spawn and the ka requires a bit more but has more range, speed, and utility at 11.0

bright scarab
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ah I see

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sadly I dont have the UM2 so I guess Ill swap it out with the 90a

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I feel you on the bmp > 2s38 honestly

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thanks, I guess it'll be a bit harder for me since I dont have a t80 platform that isnt the B but I feel comfortable in the t90 so it eevns out

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guess its time to grind out ARB as well

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thank you

dense vessel
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I wouldn’t play 11.0 Russia if you don’t have the um2 tbh

bright scarab
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I play with my friend who uses his m1a1 and IMP1 and honestly its been fine

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hm how about the super hind at 10.7

dense vessel
bright scarab
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yeah the 28 optics got me good

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Ill have the 28 tomorrow anyway

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convinced my friend to buy the apache next sale

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the helicopter psyop is real man

dense vessel
bright scarab
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Man I worry about my anti-spaa skills though, I read the US and France are getting ground launched AAMRAMs or something? Oof

dense vessel
bright scarab
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its uh on the reddit (i know) but it was like a leak lol. iirc it was US gets an IRST(?) missile and the french get something like the mistral

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yeah so far, Im looking at tanks then remember your teachings and then look for SPAA first

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going from barely any contributions to at least 3 kills and using my whole vikhr payload

steady glade
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learn spawn areas and prefire

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vikhrs are terrible without prefiring

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against spaa that is

sweet tide
steady glade
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what the MTI gimmick?

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useless for anyone competent enough in heli and against SAMs

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you NEED to prefire SAMs

sweet tide
steady glade
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yes and it requires you to have LoS of the target

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which means the spaa will see you and rinse your ass

sweet tide
steady glade
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i dont believe we have a radar guided hellfire in game yet

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and all russian atgm are beam riding

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(atakas and vikhrs)

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thats prenerf but it works the same now just have to be more conservative with the spamming and manoeuvring

sweet tide
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Like the Apaches Camera infront or above the gun, I dont remember

steady glade
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? the eurocopter does, the mi28nm you said has radar above rotor

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you still need direct los with either of those

sweet tide
steady glade
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theres no heli in game with nonLoS engagement man

sweet tide
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I think its the OH-65 or smth like that, but it has a FCS camera above the rotor

sweet tide
steady glade
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oh65 isnt a real heli

sweet tide
steady glade
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the oh58d? also needs LoS

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it has the tall ass optical sensor array but with hellfire-K still need LoS

bright scarab
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man, the Mi-28 feels so much better than the ka 52 wtf

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though it cant roll as well as the 52

dense vessel
dense vessel
# steady glade https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/339275383142612993/1140276817429790720/...

Also if you haven’t already, take a look at this clip @bright scarab this is a VERY good example of what it looks like to prefire spawns for spaa. This looks like sqb to me, totally can probably confirm this, so it’s a bit different in that he knows that there WILL be spaa up and in or near spawn as soon as he’s up, but the same principles apply in grb. Learning spawns, prefiring spaa, and quick target acquisition. If you’re squadded with other players, you can always ask them to mark the spawns for you, mark spaa w a drone if they have or are using one, or just mark the spawns yourself on the mini map and then you’re in third person, you will see the ping location

bright scarab
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like with the KA yeah you're loaded to the brim but its like driving the 72s

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youre wrestling

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the MI holy she's so behaved

bright scarab
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and it was what I was asking before where people stagger their vikhrs and they somehow dont drop

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my target acquisition has been getting better, though I havent done much heli in grb lately due to using the 10.0 lineup to grind

dense vessel
dense vessel
dense vessel
bright scarab
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its been a lifesaver, even if I dont understand why

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for the MI's, is it the same or is it fine to drop coll to maneuver every now and then?

bright scarab
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this opens up a lot

bright scarab
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but man I really went from the tankman in my group to the disgusting ka52 user

dense vessel
dense vessel
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Embrace it

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Win more games

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Get more kills

bright scarab
bright scarab
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they make fun of me till they need someone to kill spaa so they can use their jets properly

bright scarab
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I just cant figure out why he's so upset

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bright scarab
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er, ignore the background disc call lol

dense vessel
bright scarab
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HAHAH I have no idea why it's like that

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Wanted to show the sick dodges into the Mig kill

steady glade
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honestly kamovs are fun but i really am not used to new vikhrs so i havent been playing

bright scarab
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new vikhrs? what changed?

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thought the last change they made was the staggered firing

steady glade
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it is that change yes

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they changed the beam riding mechanic

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and proxy on SAM missiles

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and made is very very unresponsive

bright scarab
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Oh it didnt use to be that unresponsive?

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It felt a bit sluggish to me too, reminds me of controlling Orion drones or firing the BMP ATGMs

bright scarab
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does the lock when radar scan keybind do anything for the radar equipped helis?

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or is that a plane thing

steady glade
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it automatically points the camera at it and locks it

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most of the time useless due to dead tanks showing up on radar

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but kinda useful for air i guess

bright scarab
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right, so using only the A-A radar means itll lock easily then?

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thats such a gamechanger thanks

bright scarab
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is the top tier JP heli any good?

steady glade
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no

dense vessel
# bright scarab is the top tier JP heli any good?

So, at top tier, not really. It’s an Apache and they’re all not that great (except for the uk one and even then it’s not better than the ka/mi/eurocopters). However, if you’re at 11.0, it’s very very strong when not in an 11.7/12.0 game

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Japan has a strong tank lineup for 11.0, a mid/ok cas plane if there are no strelas up, and this heli which can put in some serious work if used right

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Basically just a better YAH 64 at the same br

bright scarab
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right yeah I meant at 11.0

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so at 11.0 its fine then, I can live with that

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I have been way too spoiled by the kas and Mis with the radar and vikhrs lol

dense vessel
bright scarab
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makes sense, though I find I struggle more vs planes since I dont come with radar

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been playing a lot of mi-28Ns

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Im actually fine vs spaa lately lol since Ive gotten used to what launches what

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now its planes that get me, though with totally helping tell me how the lock on works I can at least see them coming now

dense vessel
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Dealing w aircraft is just being observant and remembering to check for planes or check the killfeed/rwr for indications that there is air up

bright scarab
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yeah im getting used to the balancing act

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used to be they just catch me off guard

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now most times if I get killed, its cause I couldnt find them fast enough or I mess up the lock on them

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improvement, slight, but its there lol

dense vessel
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That’s what we like to see! Any improvement is good. And it’s the little things that will get you better as you go

bright scarab
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yeah, usually only the irccm spaa gets me cause it has no lock/approach warning

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Im tempted to play Germany just for those PARS missiles but no chin mounted gun is really strange

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also no radar, DAMN those russian helis really spoil it AHHA

sweet tide
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Theres 2 variants of the Tigers, the new vid about them by WT on YT covers it in great detail IMO

bright scarab
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ooh its got mistrals and spikes

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interesting

bright scarab
sweet tide
bright scarab
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One vikhr, One Igla