Le Baguette Gang

[timber harness]

or a recoilless rifle

or this

[boreal echo]

Yes please

I love truck

[grand void]

br 1.3

[swift nacelle]

fr should

milktruck please

[weary furnace]

Moore French baguette trucks

[cunning sparrow]

should I go for the Mystere IIC? or is it crap? I alrady like the Mystere IIA better than the Ouragon

[weary furnace]

I skipped those planes because then you'll have to play the
Mystere IV and SMB 2

Less energy retention than a MiG-21 with a propeller engine

[cunning sparrow]

IV doesn't seem that bad

[weary furnace]

Tried to spade it 1 or 2 years ago, I lose 100-200km/h just making a slight turn

Like a 30° turn

The playstyle is just swooping in to opponents that have lost most of their energy fighting your teammates

If there's no teammates, good luck

[weary furnace]

Basically it's just you stealing your teams kills half the time

Any fighter could do it, it's just the IVA can't do anything else

But it has been a while since I played and I am not aware of any changes they might have made

[cunning sparrow]

Aha.

[grand void]

what next

[agile ice]

Santal

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. Need an AA missile platform. It’ll help bat down the planes. Just beware it’s range limitations

[agile ice]

That and you’ll need to continue that line for later AA if you want higher br stuff

[grand void]

no lol

[cunning sparrow]

Is the Ito worth it? I feel like the Roland might be a better platform with its turret movement range but idk how much better the missile is

[grand void]

you don't need to

need 2 vehicles for r7

could get S1, S2

[cunning sparrow]

Could

[grand void]

probably will

[weary furnace]

Man if Benelux comes to France it'll be insane

[cunning sparrow]

What’s that?

[cinder geyser]

Bote

[swift nacelle]

I would say amx 32

does that get stabiliser?

[swift nacelle]

what is that?

[grand void]

have the first one already and the amx 40

I'll probably get it some other time

they do get stab tho

[cunning sparrow]

I’m working on grinding the Mystere IIA atm. I kinda love it. I wanna see what the IIC can do. And i got decent at aiming the AA nords with the vautour IIN so this’ll be interesting

Then i’lo grind the Thunderchief

[grand void]

might get mirage 200F1C or whatever it is

the pack one

if it goes for 50%

[cunning sparrow]

F1C-200? It’s alright. Not very maneuverable, decently fast, decent radar. It’s decent

[grand void]

yea

[agile ice]

You can certainly get only the leclercs but you will have a very bad time with no spaa so to have an actual lineup you will need that line

[grand void]

yea but you don't need it lol cause s1 s2

[weak epoch]

i love french naval

[weary furnace]

Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg. Some unreliable sources say it'll be France's subtree

[grand void]

I'd guess french subtree before any other nation

Germany could get it but considering germany doesn't exactly need it france would be most likely recipient

[dusky wharf]

I wouldn't call Gzabi or the guy who leaked shit for the last update "unreliable"

[cinder geyser]

It'll definitely be Frances cause what other options do they have

It's a bit of a boring mix really though

CF-100 will be the only unique addition and probably fly like a 2x4

[cunning sparrow]

You know…. The copter grind on the H-34 sucks ass. I think once i have the… mars or whatever it’s called all my ground rp will go to unlocking the alouette. I gave it the old college try but dear god it’s painful to get ANY modifications/repairs/fixes

As for the Mystere IIA, i actually like it. Yeah its a little slow but coming from spitfires and other tight turning props this feels great

[cunning sparrow]

Can’t wait for the IIC. Faster, lighter, ordinance

[grand void]

who'll be getting that?

[cinder geyser]

Belgium

And keep in mind

No guns or missiles

So it's an F-89 basically

[grand void]

yea

does this mean we could see the CF-105

or unlikely because of the way it is

[cinder geyser]

105 wasn't used by Belgium / Netherlands / Luxembourg

Nor even really a finished design

[grand void]

True I was speaking more generalized

and tho not finished it did fly iirc

if they add the 100 they might be inclined to add the 105 to say maybe britain

issue being it only carried missiles of which my totally accurate and reliable resource Wikipedia tells me none of which were developed as the plane didn't see much interest after it's maiden flight iirc

[cinder geyser]

100 really couldn't be added for France through Belgium though

The only worthwhile variant is the 3B or 4A

Which were Canadian only

And even then the armament is SHIT

8x M3 Brownings, 200 rpg

[weary furnace]

F-16 with magic 2's though 🤑🤑

[weary furnace]

Idk who that is I heard it from another source

[cinder geyser]

so something ill never have and wouldnt play if I did

My only marginal interest in the potential benelux shit is the Renard 31 or Fairey Fox, neither of which will never be seen

[weary furnace]

Would also be nice if Belgium gets the Fairey Battle

"one of the most disappointing aircraft in RAF service"

What I'm actually interested to play is a Belgian F-104

I've never played one and I've always been wanting to play one to see how broken it really is

On another note they should add the Fouga Magister as a battle pass, would kind of be like the Strikemaster

[cinder geyser]

Eh. Battle is somewhat neat looking but the bombs are so bad I would never touch it

ALTHOUGH

This one is cool too

[swift nacelle]

Yay!!

[weak epoch]

no it was only tech tree, not sub tree not france or germany

[cinder geyser]

It doesn't have NEARLY enough for a full tree

It would make Israel look unique and complete

[swift nacelle]

For a tech tree you need to have a full range of brs

That is why I don't understand why Israel is one

[cinder geyser]

I mean sure the T-15 from Belgium could be added

And maybe some of the Dutch armored cars and the ML-KNIL "tanks"

But they'd all be 1.3

Maybe 1.7

And then it would cut to at least 4.7

And more likely 5.7 with the E8 Sherman

[lofty tiger]

imagine they add leo2a4nl

insane 10.3 french lineup

might be the best 10.3 lineup

[cinder geyser]

yeah itd pair perfectly with all the current 10.3s that dont exist!

[grand void]

lmaoo

[cunning sparrow]

Got the Mars. It’s not bad but damn it’s bouncy. Needs the Dart round methinks. My first dart tank! Woooh!

[cunning sparrow]

Also. I’m realizing the weakness of the IIA mystere. Its guns aren’t super accurate and it doesn’t pull super hard. But almost every it faces at it’s own BR is far more agile and has nose mounted easier to aim guns.

Might need to reserve judgment until after spading though.

[boreal echo]

its alright

the guns are not good

they are worse than 50 cals

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. The guns are the let down

The M50s just aren’t accurate. But with AA-20 Nords i should be able to get some kills

[cinder geyser]

I haven't had much issues with the M50

They aren't fun but id never use MCLOS over them

Tbf though I haven't played past the first plane that gets them

[visual holly]

How good is the French tech tree as a whole?

And how good is the Somua at grinding it?

[grand void]

mars is aight rather play the amx 10 or sk105

[cunning sparrow]

I don’t have them yet. Working on the mephisto

[grand void]

fair

[grand void]

ranks 1-3 pretty mediocore or bad

[cunning sparrow]

I really want the amx-32 but it’s a 9.3

[grand void]

after that really fun

somua is an insane grinder

got me through most the tt

[cunning sparrow]

2-3 is essentially copy pasta. 1 is a struggle, once you hit the arl-44 you’re good.

[visual holly]

What about higher ranks? If I’m using the Somua I can skip those that are bad

[cunning sparrow]

Here’s the thing. Those lower Tiers may be meh but they get you used to the crap. I’d say play them so you get used to how france handles. The Somua autoloader is good but the reload takes some getting used to once the mag is empty

[grand void]

i mean i love 5.0 and up

7.7 is really fun

so is 8.7

you just have to be good with not having stabilizers until 11.7 pretty much

[visual holly]

Thanks for the advice

I think I’ll get the Somua now

I’ll use it to get a mid tier lineup and play that to learn the autoloaders

[cinder geyser]

Personally I actually rather like some of the lower french stuff

the Somua 35 especially

But thats in part because IMO the 35 is one of the better looking early war tanks

[visual holly]

Wow the Somua is fun

I was expecting something really difficult to play

But the shell does more damage than I expected

[cunning sparrow]

No. French autoloaders are scary. My 120 AP solid shot can KO IS-6s

[visual holly]

I heard so many stories about having to individually shoot crew members out with solid shot lol

[cunning sparrow]

Thats APCR if you can’t aim

[cinder geyser]

The French 100 doesnt really fall victim to the usual solid shot fuckery I find

The 90mm of the AMX M4 sometimes does

[cunning sparrow]

Sometimes. But it’s usually just angles that get odd

[grand void]

the 100 and 120 I've had problems with too but infrequently

[cunning sparrow]

The biggest issue is the typical volumetric issue of tanks bounding shots they really shouldn’t

[cinder geyser]

Someday people will understand volumetric

Probably

[cunning sparrow]

I don’t know if Gaijin understands how it works in game. It almost makes the pixel hunting issue worse

[cinder geyser]

I mean it's pretty evident you don't understand it

So idk why you're saying they don't

[pine socket]

Volumetric is when a shell hits a piece of armour on the side and it deforms, or when it can’t fit through a space smaller than the shell, right?

[cunning sparrow]

I know how its supposed to work. The effect in game is supposed to account for the actual space that the shell takes up. Thus eliminating the impossible shots like squeezing into a tiny space in armor that it couldn’t fit into. Making it so you have to properly aim.

[lofty tiger]

most still dont understand overpressure and its the easiest mechanic to understand

so not happening

[cinder geyser]

Shhh I need to remain hopeful

[boreal echo]

No?

They just need to fix shell snagging

[grand void]

but they wont

and ill still get killed by t 44 that tank shots to the turret

[boreal echo]

M103 turret

[grand void]

m103 is ez to kill even with the 100mm ap

just below the gun barrel will one shot most times

[visual holly]

How good is the first ebr

[lofty tiger]

its decent

[cunning sparrow]

Its not bad

Takes some finesse to use properly

[cunning sparrow]

Aha!! I got the mystere IIC! Just gotta spade IIA before i shift. Hopefully having the altair engine makes a difference

[boreal echo]

It's alright

[cunning sparrow]

I figured. But it’s better than the Ouragon

[cinder geyser]

Reminder that if we do get the Benelux subtree

It could include a Shilka

[boreal echo]

Awesome

I'd be excited for f-16

I've really wanted to get one but they are in trees I don't want to grind

[cinder geyser]

Depending on how they treat private companies we could even have BMP-3

[boreal echo]

France really needs the ifv

Not having them is tough sometimes

[cunning sparrow]

Oh man… new controls on the IIA makes a monster of a difference…. Wow

[cunning sparrow]

You know… the IIC takes longer to lift off but carries energy better. And it has DEFAs! Still hard to aim for now. Not used to them at all

[teal hazel]

Would you rather recommend 8.3, 8.7, 9.3 or 9.7 as a rank 6 Lineup?

[boreal echo]

somua still the best even at 9.7

[boreal echo]

the amx-40 is very strong

[ionic osprey]

Is the AMX M4 any good? Researching it using my beloved french 5.3 or 8.0 tanks

Cuz AMX-50 TOA 90/930

[boreal echo]

yeah its pretty good

for 6.7 you get a monster gun and a good reload for it

and you are pretty quick

it plays like a proto amx 50 toa

[ionic osprey]

Okay, because the BP AMX 50 is 8.0 now (it should be 7.3 tbh)

And I am grinding air using TT VB 10 and P40F prem

[cinder geyser]

Lol no

Actually getting filler on an autoloader is a godsend

[cunning sparrow]

Wait what?! Which is this?!

[boreal echo]

I think it should be 7.7

[lofty tiger]

No aswell

[cunning sparrow]

Anyone else experiencing full uptiers nearly every game for france around and above 7.7? My only dart thrower is the MARS but i don’t have the dart unlocked yet. i seem to only face dart throwers lately with 8.3 france. Had to stop bringing our twin autocannon AA

[agile ice]

That autocannon AA is now 8.7 which probably doesn't help but I find that around 7.7/8.0 is a lot of uptiers to 8.7/9.0 because that's the last gap before the 10.3 premium blackhole drags everything in

[cunning sparrow]

Tells me i need to hit 8.7 all around for darts to compete

[agile ice]

Everyone is going to have different experiences with uptiers but I find the 8.7 stuff great with a lot of downtiers and even in the uptiers you still have a good dart round, thermals and LRF on the AMX 30B2s to compete just no stab which prohibits your ability to move around

[cerulean sable]

Are the french autoloader tanks worth grinding (no premium)?

[cunning sparrow]

Yes

I love rhe amx m4, the amx 13-90, amx 50 surbaisse. Having a fast reload like that can save you

[cunning sparrow]

Oh and the lorraine. The lorraine is so nice

[cunning gazelle]

Would 9.7 ground be a better/more reliable br to grind than 8.7?

[agile ice]

Not really, 9.7 is a constant 10.3 game usually and you're decent but will struggle to compete with things like Leopard 2a4s, Abrams and T-80s in terms of armour and rounds

Not that it isn't something the rest of the french tree struggles with but at least at 8.7 you have a friendlier match maker and advantages you can capitalise on, like the lowest br mbt with thermals and good dart rounds as well as a good atgm launcher and a light tank also with a decent dart round and very good thermals

[teal hazel]

I played the Kürassier in the german tech tree and really liked it, but overall I'm worried that I will just go insane because there are no stabilized vehicles in that lineuo

[cunning sparrow]

Man… mystere IIC stock grinf is awful. Constant full uptiers into missiles

[boreal echo]

It's not anything you can't dodge

[agile ice]

In an uptier the things with missiles aren't scary

[cunning sparrow]

Its mire the performance of the hets that makes the uptiers difficult

[grand void]

idk but like no stab is so much more fun ngl

[cinder geyser]

AMX-10RC T40

[weary furnace]

Would be nice to actually get a light vehicle at the higher tiers

[sharp storm]

Consider yourself an opp if you main France

[buoyant tide]

Yo everyone, I am back from the dead and restarted grinding today after 2months away from the snail!!

[weary furnace]

I am currently in my 2 months away

Feels good

[buoyant tide]

yeah

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. There are times you need to step away

[buoyant tide]

it is wath I did only to come back stronger

[cunning sparrow]

So. Apparently the Milan is on sale till the third. Is it any good? Worth 9k GE?

[agile ice]

Not worth

It's fine but with the usual 9 something and no flares so suffers in uptiers, great in downtiers

But with the price and the fact you can get the F1C for less on sale it's not worth it

[cunning sparrow]

Good to know

[sharp storm]

I don't love French people

[boreal echo]

It's a mirage 3 without good missiles and the f1c engine at 9.7

[cunning sparrow]

right. so don't buy unless its for collecting purposes

[buoyant tide]

why??

[boreal echo]

it and the amx-40 pair up really nice

[cunning sparrow]

Oh really? So it might be a decent pickup?

[fallow granite]

(It's not)

[small rapids]

Are the french worth playing now

[boreal echo]

Yes

[cunning sparrow]

They have been. But you have to deal with pain points at certain BRs

[boreal echo]

most things are very br dependant

[agile ice]

The French are worth playing if you've played other nations and want something a bit different

[small rapids]

Same with italy right?

Cuz i play them rn but since the french got all that stuff rn i dont know what to focus on

And im scared of no stabiliser at 8.7 cuz im kinda spoiled with them as i main russia

[agile ice]

Italy is really just other nations but lightly armoured, france has gimics like no stab at 8.7 but thermals

[small rapids]

France should actually be one of the very big ones but gaijin hates france kinda

Maybe i do both france and italy

[small rapids]

Is 8.7 france more worth playing than 7.7

And how bad is the lack of a stabiliser

[agile ice]

Not really more worth but I went from 7.7/8.0 to 8.7 and then used that to get the rest of the tree

[small rapids]

When does france get really really good

[agile ice]

They're both fine brs

[small rapids]

I heard mid tier is good cuz of the autoloaders

[agile ice]

They don't

[small rapids]

Not even with the new additions?

[agile ice]

But really 6.7

[small rapids]

Staying with italy then💀💀

Cant wait to get killed by anything with the ariete

[agile ice]

I was joking mostly, France from 6.7-7.7 is pretty good and then top tier is alright

[small rapids]

Biggest glasscannon of top tier💀💀

[small rapids]

What tanks actually get stabilisers in french tech tree

[agile ice]

The Leclercs

amx-32 and 40

[small rapids]

So many damnn

[boreal echo]

amx 40 is a baby leclerc at 9.7

its really good

its faster than a lot of light tanks

[cunning sparrow]

The amx-30 should have a stabilizer but france must suffer. Also no dart but 1 at 8.3 but you will be constantly uptiered into darts that will ruin you

[dusky wharf]

Never had one on service vehicles

Plus like B2 BRENUS -> Leclerc

[cunning sparrow]

Honestly i may be done with WT for a hot minute. I’m done with constant near full uptiers into shit i can barely face despite knowing armor layouts.

[agile ice]

Due to the gun mounting it was a massive pain to try and mount a stab which is why they never had one

It's not a huge problem either as you want to be using the good round and thermals to snipe and no stab makes no difference if you're not bum rushing people

[timber harness]

santal is fine

[grand void]

Already got it researched and the leclerc series 1

[timber harness]

i love how france only gets leclercs and spaa

[grand void]

I posted that week's ago man

[timber harness]

for top tier

no light tanks or tds allowed ig

[grand void]

Yea soon will be getting benelux hopefully they give it ground vehicles

[timber harness]

give me vbl missile tank

armored car*

it would be a nice addition at like 8.0

or it could be a squadron vehicle, so that france finally gets one of those

[cinder geyser]

awful idea respectfully

[lofty tiger]

like any other nation has top tier td?

[timber harness]

fair

ill change that to ifvs

[lofty tiger]

thats still a no

highest br ifv is 10.3

[timber harness]

the kf41 is 10.7 but ok

[lofty tiger]

thats just overtiered

[timber harness]

doesnt change it

[lofty tiger]

🤓☝️

[timber harness]

lol

or the panhard m8

[cinder geyser]

so a worse centauro

[timber harness]

not really? it wouldnt have apfsds

[grand void]

Aren't we def getting the vextra 105

Yea it's 8.7 but still

[grand void]

Ugly af ngl

I love french wheeled things generally

And that thing is just not it

[timber harness]

fair point xd

also what the fuck is it with france getting stuff way later than everyone else

most notably stabilizers

[grand void]

Bc gaijin hates france

[timber harness]

there is 0 reason for the brenus or b2 to not have a stabilizer

they were designed to carry them

[grand void]

It'd go to like 10.0 lmao

[timber harness]

lol

[grand void]

I wanna see the RCR added

[timber harness]

ye

[grand void]

But I know not to get my hopes up

[timber harness]

also may i point out, the TTS has all the things the amx-30 super has, as well as ERA, and yet is a lower br?

[grand void]

The super isn't really special

It gets a stab n I think that's it iirc

[timber harness]

stab is all that's new from the b2 and brenus but it has to go up 2 br sets

[grand void]

Mhm

Idk

I honestly don't care

Abt not having stab

I love 8.7 france

I do consistently well

And enjoy it so much

[timber harness]

the DCA hits different

[grand void]

It's silly

[timber harness]

fr

also is it just me or does the amx 30 play like a slow light tank

[grand void]

It's sorta supposed to be

Like a quick mbt

Like the leo 1

[timber harness]

they pretty different imo

[grand void]

Maybe

[cinder geyser]

no they werent 💀

The sight of the BRENUS was stabilized, the gun was not

[timber harness]

mb

[grand void]

does anyone know

AMX-10RCR is it get stab?

or is it just an armour and modernization of its systems

[cinder geyser]

It shouldnt

Should be slightly more armor, slightly better gun, no longer amphibious

[grand void]

Better gun?

Upgraded 105

Ik like hurr durr for me but spookstons video he says it gets stab he could be wrong but I've been trying to figure out if does or not for a while lol

[cinder geyser]

It won't

Should be a different sight, slightly less recoil, slightly more protection, no longer amphibious and potentially a new heat shell

Can't find if the shell was actually issued but it was tested

[grand void]

Okii

[timber harness]

VAB T20 when :3

[grand void]

Is the Vextra now driving in the French hangar I think I saw it for a split second lol

[cunning sparrow]

I can’t wait for the ground pounder after the F-84G. It looks faster, bigger bomb loads, etc. i do well with the F-84G in GRB via the Tiny Tims. Starting to enjoy the big rockets

[lunar fossil]

I should play France shouldn't i

[cunning sparrow]

France is fun. But that’s me. Its really hard initially then gets better. I just gelled eith france after BR 1

[timber harness]

is the SANTAL good?

[timber harness]

if you decide to, it would be wise to get the b1 ter or 2c bis to grind up to rank 3

rank 1 is painful

[cinder geyser]

"rank 1 france is awful" mfs when they see an S35

😨

[cunning sparrow]

Dude i have ALL the old french BR 1s. I went through that pain

[cinder geyser]

As do I

The 47 is a decent gun

[timber harness]

its not fun for anyone

its not fun to play france in rank 1, and its not fun to fight france in rank 1

[cinder geyser]

Do tell me where I said it's fun

[cunning sparrow]

All france has is armor at BR 1

[cinder geyser]

2 of them do

S35 and D2

[cunning sparrow]

Its the weird angles that can surprisingly bounce shots. Or used to

[agile ice]

I assume you mean the one on the S.35, but I instantly thought of the one with less pen than a .50

[cinder geyser]

What weird angles

[cunning sparrow]

Early french armor schemes were odd. Made the short 75 hard to pen it

[cinder geyser]

The German 75?

[cunning sparrow]

I believe so yes. I could be wrong. But i’m pretty sure the sumuas of the early war were quite resistant to german at fire

[cinder geyser]

I just meant in game 😛

But sort of

Gotta remember they were going against Panzer II and Panzer III F at best

[cunning sparrow]

Yep. Still had the 50mm cannon though

And i’m fairly sure the short 75 was there. Didn’t they develop it for bunker busting after poland?

[cinder geyser]

Most IIIs were still 37mm models and the 50mm didn't have too much problems at close range

The short 75 goes back to like 1932

[cunning sparrow]

Aha. I couldn’t remember when it was developed

[cinder geyser]

The Stug concept was finally brought into play because of Poland though

[cunning sparrow]

That i was sure of

But in game. You’ll still get bounces on french armor

[cinder geyser]

if you have the stock 75mm round yeah sometimes

that round is arguably slightly underperforming but im fine w that

otherwise theyd go up

[cunning sparrow]

Yep

Honestly i loved the french grind except sweden APDS at BR 1 and now at 8.3 its dart city from up tiers while i’m throwing HEATFS or missiles

[cinder geyser]

the fact that its darts going against you is arguably an advantage

you dont have armor

[cunning sparrow]

Yet the T-55+ rarely take my heat without it doing nothing. I’m fairly certain its me being too aggressive but it’s still aggrevating

[cinder geyser]

Well youre basically shooting the tank made to counter you

If its a T55AM / 62M / 64

[lunar fossil]

Looks like it

[cunning sparrow]

It usually is. I’m trying to find a way be to effective against those and it’s hard. I even stopped bringing out my 8.7 until i have more tanks of that BR to try and not face em… and i’m always up-tiered into them

I might full stop play 7.7 but even then i faced the T-55 AAM and the premium

[agile ice]

Yeah never played 7.3 or 8.3 France, just used the tanks from those brs that I wanted in the 7.7 and 8.7 lineups because that's where the actually decent stuff is

[lofty tiger]

8.3 is just amx10rc and a backup

it was good when dca was 8.3

[dusky wharf]

It was good when the AMX-30B2's were 8.3

[timber harness]

finally got the SANTAL

😄

[cunning sparrow]

I’m a long way from that. Isn’t it 9.3?

[timber harness]

ye, the grind is pain

gl with france tho!

[cunning sparrow]

Framce is my best nation tbh. My pain points have only been BR 1 and 8.3

Past that. It was fun and amazing

[timber harness]

valid

nah bro i started the rank 6 grind, but by the time i was 4 vehicles deep i caved and bought the super lol

[cunning sparrow]

I bought the super when it was in sale. When i have 9.3 i’ll break it out

[timber harness]

ye

shame it doesnt get the coax 20mm

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. I wish it did

Instead it’s a 15?

[timber harness]

its an m2hb

so it doesnt do nearly as much compared to the 20mm

[cunning sparrow]

Damn. But i get a stabilizer and hopefully a dart so i’ll take it

[timber harness]

yeah, just try to play it like a light tank though, the armor is pretty useless

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. The amx 30 has no armor. But that helps if a dart aims poorly

[dusky wharf]

105 F1 is also temperamental with spalling at that BR

[cunning sparrow]

Good to know

[dusky wharf]

3 well placed rounds into an M60 (RISE) to kill it

[obtuse zealot]

Framge

life if 120mm giat on armored car chassis was put in war thunder

Isn't the new thing a 105

enlighten me

[timber harness]

any advice for the SANTAL

it doesnt seem to like to hit targets

[cunning sparrow]

What range are you firing at? I’ve dine a lot of test drives of the santal and the roland 1 is a finicky missile i think. Get too close and it flubs

[agile ice]

Avoid really close range especially when something is coming towards you and instead shoot a bit after they pull away as if they're going away at about 2-3 km the missile has more time to turn with them

[timber harness]

K

is the flare sensitivity high or something? it seems to be very happy to just lock on to something else

[agile ice]

It's IR so it will lock flares but has irccm so will usually ignore them if it's fired whilst locked onto the jet

[lofty tiger]

dont fire when theyre perpendicular

[timber harness]

k

[agile ice]

lock and lead too especially when they are perpendicular

[timber harness]

i love how the turm III has a reload thats 3.7 seconds (no crew stats because i refuse to grind for crew mastery) shorter than the amx 30, has a full stabilizer, more ammo choices for the main gun, and a better coax, especially for only being .3 higher

it outclasses the ACRA as well, with a better horsepower to weight ratio, better reload by far, a stabilizer, and a coax which is still better

they're also the same br

[coral tusk]

No dart I guess?

[timber harness]

france doesnt get dart on the amx 30 until 8.7

[cunning sparrow]

Jeez… that feels wrong…. Everyone se is starting to get them around 8.3

[agile ice]

So does China

Japan doesn't get any until 9.0

[dusky wharf]

Similar gun at 8.3 gets the same dart

[timber harness]

which tank has stock apfsds at 7.7

the aubl?

[timber harness]

the 105 patton gets apfsds?

no yeah i get that

its not fin stabilized though

no? i find apds much less consistent

[timber harness]

they like to shatter quite a bit

and are very inconsistent with damage

turns out the mistrals are pretty decent, but you need to loft them instead of aiming at the target

[cunning sparrow]

Good to know. When i get mine i’ll try that but i’m taking a WT break. I’n done with up-tiers across the board. It was starting to piss me off

[timber harness]

chad move, uptiers only get worse though, sadly

[agile ice]

It can be a bit br dependant but because of how it works unfortunately they can be a lot more common than downtiers

[timber harness]

me playing 8.3: nothing but uptiers.
me playing 9.3: STILL only uptiers (where are the vehicles getting downtiers)

[agile ice]

me playing 8.7: OMG a 9.3 tank I forgot I could fight those

[timber harness]

lucky

[agile ice]

Just seems to be the br to play, did brits and french by playing a tonne of 8.7 and almost all downtiers

But again things change all the time so who knows

[timber harness]

issue is theres no good 8.7 prem :/

plus i like obliterating CAS with the silly missile spam truck

[agile ice]

I don't mean you can't play 9.3 but the 8.7 stuff is great plus the line bonus to the leclerc from the 30b2
I highly recommend giving it a go is still a lineup I play despite having everything above it

[timber harness]

oh true

lol just knocked the wings off a harrier from 4 km

[pine socket]

The chad that’s going to repair that must be the hulk

[timber harness]

tis but a scratch

[boreal echo]

ideal

[timber harness]

the acra is NOT worth it

and the mephisto is mid

[boreal echo]

i want the mephisto

i figured the acra was bad because no stab

[dusky wharf]

Missiles are bad

Chassis is bad

Ammo stowage is bad

Reload is bad

[boreal echo]

correct

+amx 30 cringe

at least the non super version

[dusky wharf]

AMX-30 outside of the ACRA are ok

[boreal echo]

dca is my prefered option

[timber harness]

its an ugly, slower, vehicle which relies on missiles which wont reload fast enough (also no 20mm)

[timber harness]

the amx 30 is generally good

[boreal echo]

there are usually alternatives to play in the french tree that i find more fun

[grand void]

even the ACRA is fun

all the AMX-30's are fun imo

[grand void]

nahh just gotta get good ngl i love em

idec the lack of stabilizers it makes it more fun

[boreal echo]

oh yeah the mephisto is supposed to get a 320 horsepower engine

[runic apex]

im sorta new to the french air idk what to research honestly

[cerulean sable]

buy a premium

most French low tier planes are garbage

[inner forum]

Unsure what they changed for the Yak-3 in the new update but I got it from the last battle pass for warbonds.
It quickly researched my French TT
Getting 3-5 sometimes more depending on if the enemy planes kept coming in GRB

[boreal echo]

Get the p-63

All of the good French props are American

[timber harness]

the 10rc is great, but wow holy fuck does it suffer sometimes

[boreal echo]

The reload is tough on it

[timber harness]

i hit a russian heavy, and it .50 cal'd me frontally

FRONTALLY

[boreal echo]

Mhm

Lucky the vextra is much better

[timber harness]

ok i might be wrong but the vextra turret looks near identical to the 10rc's

[boreal echo]

It's a later model of the same turret

Now stabilized and better thermals (maybe)

[timber harness]

yeah

french centauro

[obtuse zealot]

do NOT get lafayette

you might think it'd be alright but it's not

the fuckin engine is like a magnet or something dude, I swear to god.

No matter what if your getting shot at your engine goes red

it never fails

I myself bought the Narval.

[obtuse zealot]

If you don't want to buy a premium aircraft for french air to grind it out (you prob should) go for the VB.10-02, it's a monster. Both are good. OR just go for a american fighter, those are ok. If you wanna get a premium you should probably get the P-47D or if you wanna be funny get the Narval (dont).

personally if i play a minor tech tree like france i wouldnt play the copy paste vehicles

holy shit that dollar store ham kid is gone

that prick was always stirring shit up

[obtuse zealot]

Kind of irrelevent now but, I have the Mephisto and never found it to be really all that good. Then again I'm no high tier player (its ass 🤢) but the little games I did play on it, it wasn't all that good.

I forget what missiles it shoots but christ are they shit. they handle like a flying turd

zamn was mr dollar store banned.? all of bros recent messages are deleted.

anyway adios france chat

[cunning sparrow]

Was he? I know he stirred the pot but to earn a ban?

[boreal echo]

since i have gotten it i find it fun because of the challenge

[cunning sparrow]

How is the new danish tree?

[runic apex]

yea i was trying to get to the ad-4 but since premium is the way to go ill just get that prem p-47 soon

oh wait hows the premuim ad-4?

[obtuse zealot]

Yeah, I think so. I looked at old messages from a bit ago and yeah there all deleted. Usually when a ban happens that persons recent message in a certain time scale get deleted

[obtuse zealot]

I have no idea but I do know that it's pretty much an AD-4

Not much difference from tech tree other than the fact of premium multipliers

I'm based and just used the narval to grind out the entire tech tree

Narval isn't too good aside from bomber hunting, etc.

it's ok at best, p47 much better

[timber harness]

"france doesnt suffer it gets apfsds, thermals, and lrf early in exchange for stabilizers"- meanwhile the object 685 at 8.7 with a full stab, lrf, and apfsds...

[agile ice]

No thermals and is also much more lightly armoured

You can coax that to death pretty much instantly

[timber harness]

gen 1 thermals are pretty useless imo, too grainy to tell the difference, and the armor just doesnt work

any autocanons get shells which will rip you to shreds in either vehicle

[timber harness]

if it doesnt just hit you on the move

[agile ice]

Difference between dying to a side on 20 mm or a front on 50.

[timber harness]

frontal 20mm

8.7 20mm belts will shred a b2

frontally

[agile ice]

The 20 mm APDS goes through like some small spots on the turret from the front that's it

[timber harness]

this is vs 25mm apds (closest i could find while staying below 8.7)

sure

small spots right

meanwhile the best .50 cal round (not found in pure belts) against a 685 at the same distance

[agile ice]

Can you read the round that you're shooting that with really slow

And then what I said really slow

[timber harness]

i understand it isnt 20mm

i looked

[agile ice]

Cool because that will wreck the 685 from anyway

[timber harness]

mhm because an amx 30 and the object will always fight the same vehicle in the same way

[agile ice]

I'm not saying the French tanks are amazing but not having a stab is something you can easily deal with and the amx-30b2 is a great tank with other things no or few mbts have at 8.7

[timber harness]

mbt is a bit bold considering most spaas will rip you to shreds from 500m, but i get what you're saying

[agile ice]

Yes well a leopard 1 is an mbt not that it isn't also similarly armoured

[timber harness]

it gets improved though

you get the extra plates to prevent autocannons from penetrating you in the a1a1

as well as apfsds and a full stabilizer, though it lacks thermals and an lrf

[agile ice]

At a higher br, yes

[timber harness]

i could say the same thing about france...

correction: its different for france im just stupid

[agile ice]

The most comparable tank to say a leopard 1a5 (with thermals and lrf) in the french tree is the amx-32, at the same br

[timber harness]

we dont get a good armor upgrade (the brenus is era, not kinetic prot)

[timber harness]

which variant

the 105 or 120?

[agile ice]

The 120 I guess considering it's just better than the 105, even then with the 120 over the 105 there's also the a1a1 l/44 which is still the same br and with a 120

Basically my point is the shit is still a similar br to other nations similar vehicles

The French just didn't have stabs on their stuff for a much longer time than most nations

[timber harness]

mhm ignore the 685 with the 6 second autoloader...

[timber harness]

💀 and instead they get sniping mods, in a game where sniping just isnt a viable method of playing on 50% of the maps, and even if you get a sniping map, CAS and other stupid shit will keep you from effectively holding down a good spot (this is not to say you can't do well, just that it is harder to do well)

its very fun to play against vehicles with full stabilizers on brawling maps

[agile ice]

SK-105 with a 4 second autoloader, better round/gun and very good thermals or the mars 15 with a 5.3 second load on expert crew and at a lower br because no stab

[timber harness]

same br, and unstabilized

[agile ice]

Legit just don't push corners

[timber harness]

so now you're pinned in

[agile ice]

I mean I have no real trouble without the stab at that br it is however definitely something to get used to and play around

[agile ice]

And so are they

[timber harness]

no? they have you stuck, you cant force them to move, they have the initiative

they can just keep you stuck as a friendly pushes through

[inner forum]

Why not play another nation instead complaining about the same thing everyday?
It’s not like they are missing stabilisers due to an error so I don’t see the point

[agile ice]

So they can push the corner and die? It might just be my ping but pushing corners pretty much always ends in the death of the one doing so

Exactly the limitation is the stab compared to other countries if that's not something that you like there are countries that get that a lot earlier

[timber harness]

the leclercs look fun, ive picked a nation and ive gone too far to stop if that makes any sense, as for stabilizers, i get what you mean but it can be a bit tiring to get hit by a moving vehicle while you attempt to stop, and it compounds with the close in brawling you often end up doing

[timber harness]

it feels different for me lol, usually someone else just gets me while i'm pinned, i get cas'd, or my shell just doesnt kill when they do push, etc.

[lofty tiger]

3bm25

goog joke

aphe is right there 🛏️

[timber harness]

oh shit right you have all the silly high tier heavy tanks on your side

[lofty tiger]

if you wanted br decompression you compare amx30b2 to TAM not this of all things

[timber harness]

tam players are usually pretty shit but yeah

they're often the same ones who rushed the tiger

and then yoinked their mom's credit card to get the sla16 or some shit

the 2ip is a bit of a menace though

[inner forum]

I can understand that, personally I don’t play past 8.7 for any nation anymore even tho I have 3 finished at top tier I just don’t enjoy it the same.

[timber harness]

pretty smart

guided cas and premium mbts are rough

premium t80s, abrams, and leos won't cause any issues - some gaijin dev

meanwhile the wr

[ionic osprey]

Use VB10C1 until you get the Seafire, AD4 or Spitfire

[runic apex]

alright ill see

[cunning sparrow]

The VB is brutal. It’s fast and has blistering firepower

[fallow granite]

It's also a giant brick that will struggle to get gun lead on anything

Just use the wildcat

MB157 is fun but has very limited ammo

[ionic osprey]

Thats roll wise

Its quite good

Its a 4.0 wyvern with interceptor spawn ans actual energy retention/high alt power :p

And the 02 is just worse, skip it

[sharp storm]

So am i supposed to Love french People

[obtuse zealot]

yeah.

I love it

It's also cool asf because if one engine is down you'll do just fine

if your not at ground level that is

the only times i've had an engine die is at high alt

I use the 10-02

also when it goes full verticle in a turn it'll pull like crazy if your going quick

pair that with flaps and its really nice

also you can be funny and use gun selection with it to save your 20mm's

for bigger things like bombers if you want

the 20mm doesn't last long but it shreds

[ionic osprey]

It has more ammo then any fighter of the BR cannon wise (VB.10C1)

[obtuse zealot]

what do you mean

are you talking about the c1 or 02

[ionic osprey]

Literally in the parentheses

[obtuse zealot]

sorry im confused because you put (VB.10C1)

okay but you replied to the message with me talkking about 20mm's which the c1 doesn't have

nless im tweaking

[ionic osprey]

C1 only has 20mils

[obtuse zealot]

poh wtf

[ionic osprey]

02 has 6x50cals added in the wings

I know cuz I play both of em

[obtuse zealot]

i am tweakinh then

[ionic osprey]

Yup

[obtuse zealot]

my bad feller

[ionic osprey]

Dont worry bout it

[obtuse zealot]

but yeah I love the 02 a bunch and its obvious i havent played the c1

its a big and FAT p47

i've played the c1 only a handful of times probably (noit enough)

i honestly love the odd aircraft in this game

I would love to get the german ones but grinding is not my thing anymore

ive been playing germany for i dont know how many years and I still don't have a aced out cas plane in terms of bombs

I just use the BV 155 or the Duck

[ionic osprey]

B3 or B2 duck?

[obtuse zealot]

the bv 155 is in all of my lineups from 3.7 to 6.7

The B3

with the 75mm

[ionic osprey]

Another flying pz4 I see.

[obtuse zealot]

LMAO

for real.

I think I posted a stupid clip of it in #warthunder-clips

[ionic osprey]

I have a hope lineup buily around it

[obtuse zealot]

it's great fun

I use it with my Half-Pak

that things traction is so bad it's hilarious

[ionic osprey]

I use the baby tiger

The limited prem at 2.3

[obtuse zealot]

im jealous of that

I want that damn thing so badly

my other friend has it too

it's gone now 🥲

[ionic osprey]

Its si funny

[obtuse zealot]

when it comin back

[ionic osprey]

Idk

Its been a few months now

That it isnt back

[obtuse zealot]

few months?

i thought it got removed a year or two ago

or was it back again but i didn't notice

[ionic osprey]

It comes back each year

[obtuse zealot]

oh shit

I need to get it

[boreal echo]

the thing

[obtuse zealot]

sextra 105

[grand void]

I need

[timber harness]

do i get this or the leclerc?

[boreal echo]

i mean vextra is quite fun

[sharp storm]

wanted to grind the AMX-50 Surbaisse but then looked at its horrendus armour and decided not to

Yeah it has a 6 sec reload but just not the typa tank fot me

might go for it when i can rely on premium time

[obtuse zealot]

its better than you think

you'll sometimes bounce shells you shouldn't

[boreal echo]

its huge shell is fun to use

device

[timber harness]

ggs

the nc is really funny but really bad at the same time

[timber harness]

aight so i've begun to use the fokker mercury as my go to 7.7 CAS vehicle

[cunning sparrow]

My first T-10M kill came from the AMX-50 Surbaisse. At 7.7 it is a great tank imo

[timber harness]

fr

[boreal echo]

I'm a big fan of the sandal now

A lot of people don't see it coming

[timber harness]

just got my shit rocked by a losat 1.5km away on sands of sinai...

[lunar fossil]

🥖

[timber harness]

first 100k rp on the leclerc is almost done, 3k left until i get into the high hundred thousands

[boreal echo]

I can't wait to never play the leclerc

[timber harness]

lol

it seems like a type 10/type 90 but french cries in shit hull armor (it's even worse than the leo's hull because HEATFS will go through the lfp)

[timber harness]

aight i have found a way to cope with the constant 10.3 uptiers while playing 9.3

[boreal echo]

Understandable

[ionic osprey]

Didnt you get a downtier or is all the 10.3s on the enemy team?

[timber harness]

yeah, this is a bad example, mb

[ionic osprey]

Cuz from what we see your team has mostly 8.0s-8.7s

[timber harness]

kinda sad that china got a 25mm apc truck thing before france (where vab)

[cunning sparrow]

You forget gaijin’s policy of France must suffer

Earliest france has a two plane stab is 9.3 but Sweden gets it at 7.7

[agile ice]

Nobody ask Britain when their earlist two plane is

[fallow granite]

Cause french engineers chose to have the most complex solution for firing on the move.

Gun stabs too simple, gotta have an over complicated FCS setup with sight stabilization

[boreal echo]

yeah so we gotta make the unstabilized gun shoot when its bobbing about with this whack sight

[dusky wharf]

Late '45 officially

[timber harness]

30K left on the leclerc s1 grind

top tier here i come

[boreal echo]

I wish you luck with stock heat at 11.7

[timber harness]

i managed to do stock heat with the m1a1 aim

and this one even gets t1 apfsds

[timber harness]

so then it should have that fcs, rather than the fuck all it gets at the moment

[fallow granite]

No sense in making an entirely new system for a handful of tanks, just give them stabs lol

[grand void]

Lol

I'm working on vextra

But I can be working through the SXXI

[timber harness]

gaijin already does make new mechanics for a handfull of vehicles though

like schrage musik

[boreal echo]

well thats not the same thing

thats just a gun

nothing too tricky about it

[cunning sparrow]

So how is the new beneleax tree? To me it seems like another way to give france an F-16. How many nations have access to the F-16? USA, Israel, France… i’m sure there are more, thr USA exports the f-16 like mad

[agile ice]

Italy, China and Japan also have them

Benelux tree is meh overall nothing really great in there but does give you the ability to try some of the vehicles without having another nation

Though if you really want an F16 the US one is just better

[boreal echo]

the first f-16 in the new tree is imo better than the US 12.0 one

[agile ice]

Yes but it's not 12.0 it's 12.3 in air and if you're going to be using something in ground at top tier you have better options

Other than that the hunter like all non-british hunters is better than the british one

[cunning sparrow]

Honestly my only reason for wanting the dutch F-16 is that i want all the French vehicles. Other than the US F-16 the only one that really stands out to me is the Israeli one

[agile ice]

It's still an F-16 so better than most things but is just outclassed by the US one as well as the F-15 in air

[cunning sparrow]

Not much outclasses the F-15 eagle lets be honest

It took 40-50 years to make something that could replace it

[cunning sparrow]

Holy crap i got quite the kills last night in the ACRA

[honest mango]

The fokker G1 Mercury is quite a nice aircraft

Same with the Firefly mk4 unique to the Benelux sub tree

I enjoy having some dutch things in the game, it took a long time.

I hope we get more dutch things too

[timber harness]

6 9ms at 12.3 with decent performance is pretty good for an f16

[boreal echo]

It's one of the best f-16 for dogfight

It's slightly worse at high speed for better low speed turn

[fallow granite]

The French F16 is probably the best overall F16 in the game now

F16C ordinance with an ADF flight model

Best of both worlds

Benelux ground tree will all but 100% guaranteed come with a premium T80

That'll be the top tier France premium

Super unique

[agile ice]

Probably that or a 2a4 for extra uniqueness

F-16C has the better energy with the more powerful engine but the AM being a block 15 is better at low speed turns but will be stuck at that low speed longer

[fallow granite]

16C's stronger engine is partially offset by the fact the airframe weighs like 800kg more.

Dogfights are already really rare at top tier, but when they do happen it's almost always about who can turn tighter

And the 16C has the worst turn performance

Which in turn gives in more energy retention

[agile ice]

Certainly better in a dogfight but they are rare at top tier and against fox 3s I'd prefer to keep my energy up
Both are certainly good just depends what you value more

[honest mango]

I need s14

[timber harness]

i need mirage 4

[lunar fossil]

I need a 6.7 lineup

[obtuse zealot]

yes

pen is-3 frontal

one time i penned an is-4 frontal too

i thinkkkkk

ik for sure i have frontally killed is-3's with my foch and surbaisse

[honest mango]

the s14 has 2 20mm's

[honest mango]

when updated french pilot models

[timber harness]

its very funny to watch a lvl 20 is-6 player rush me, nonpen, and then get ripped in half by a 120mm round

if you have to fight a good derp gun player though, you just lose because your 40mm side armor can be hit even if you are facing directly at the enemy due to a pretty wide track on the side

[ionic osprey]

I mean, that was the goal behind the design

[obtuse zealot]

really?

oh sick

I don't research into most tanks like that anymore

Unless I want to try to make my decals look like a real example

[obtuse zealot]

true lmfao

I wanna play out the surbaisse now

I ripped in that thing once

It was so fun

Yeah I remember now, I frontally killed an IS-4 on Aral Sea once.

It was hilarious

[timber harness]

nice

[obtuse zealot]

I was pretty surprised

[timber harness]

the surbaisse plays like an obese light tank

[obtuse zealot]

LMAO

it does lol

I love it though

Its great

[timber harness]

fr

[obtuse zealot]

I'm gonna play it later today

in a hour or something

[timber harness]

nice

[jaunty grove]

Man I am in love with the Vextra rn

[ionic osprey]

Yeah, is it a 100mm or higher caliber? If yes, its goal is to fight the soviet menace (IS3)

The 100mm and 120mm were able to UFP Is3 from a max of 2km IRL

[honest mango]

It's a 120mm on the super bias
AMX-50 Toa 100 is 100mm

The AMX 50 lowered is just a glorified light/medium

[obtuse zealot]

that's fucking sick

I love these big rail guns the French have.

[obtuse zealot]

The best version of the AMX-50 type of tanks is the Somua SM if you want armor and nice acceleration (for a 60 ton tank) but if you want a glass cannon that's quick then in that case you'd like the Lorraine 40T

Also does that one funny version with the Char25t turret have a 90 or 100mm.

?*

I wish I didn't miss out on it..

[cunning sparrow]

Wait what?! I’ve bounced so many of those shots at close range on an IS-3 UFP

[timber harness]

not in war thunder though

great job gaijin

[wide trench]

Were they ever actually tested against an IS-3 hull though? As far as I know they were designed to go through, but I don't see that they were documented as having tested it.

By the time the designs were actually somewhat ready they were outdated and favor was put into other programs

And the IS-3 was no longer the main threat from the USSR

[timber harness]

were tests done to prove that the 2s38 could reliably penetrate a leopard, abrams, or whichever other mbt frontally?

[wide trench]

I think I hurt myself rolling my eyes at that comment

[timber harness]

you cant say, "well it never happened so it isnt accurate" 💀

[wide trench]

I didn't say that

I posited a question

"Were they ever actually tested against an IS-3 hull though?" in response to the claim that the AMX-50 guns were able to do so

It's also whataboutism to try and deflect to another issue entirely

[timber harness]

alright sure, i get that

so that means war thunder needs to test every other shell right?

[wide trench]

I have no doubt that the AMX-50 guns were designed to do so, and they may very well be able to do so. But without documentation that it was successful in doing so it's a game of mathematics and theory

[wide trench]

Again, never said that

[timber harness]

it's implied though?

[wide trench]

Not really, no

[timber harness]

or does it only apply to this single gun

[wide trench]

I apologize if english isn't your first language, but I'm very clearly talking about this specific claim

It's one thing to say "It was designed to" or even "The math indicates it *should * be able to" but an entirely different matter when you say "It was able to do so"

[timber harness]

ok, but i do feel it is somewhat unfair to say that since it was never tested against xyz plate, it should not be able to penetrate that plate

[wide trench]

Saying it was able to do so carries the explicit implication that it was tested and was a repeatable result

Spoiler: It was never tested in that capacity

[wide trench]

Again, I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be able to

It probably could

But I don't want unverified claims that it definitely did IRL to spread.

[timber harness]

fair

thx for clarifying

[wide trench]

If someone digs through french armored archives and the Musee de Blindes' documentation that shows I'm wrong I genuinely would like to see it

These are some of my favorite tanks, after all

[green hamlet]

any tips / tricks for the AMX-M4? that ready rack seems kinda lacking

[wide trench]

Play like a big light tank. Use speed to get into and out of position.

Hit and run before you deplete your ready rack

[green hamlet]

Makes sense thanks

[wide trench]

I tend to play somewhat near cap points so I can run back and replenish my ready rack in a pinch

If you're playing further away it's just a matter of minding your shots

But your speed can save you

[cunning sparrow]

Amx m4 is amazing

[boreal echo]

you can rip any of the tanks you see in half with your good gun and you out reload most of the things you see

[timber harness]

its nice but sometimes it suffers from no filler

generally some pretty good post pen dmg though

[cunning sparrow]

Solid shot got a boost recently. No filler is no longer an issue

[cunning sparrow]

Unless you have only relied on APHE then yes it will take adjustments

[green hamlet]

Okay I played the amx M4

And im in love

[boreal echo]

only gets better with the 7.7 mediums

[wide trench]

Lorraine 40t and TOA100 are cash money

Add in the Somua and Surperbias and nothing will stop you

[boreal echo]

the somua can clean house with high tier vehicles

and it just doesnt die

[wide trench]

Especially after the buff to the neck armor

"Haha I know where to shoot this thing to kill it!"

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

[cunning sparrow]

The lorraine 40t is amazing

[green hamlet]

idk if i want to play permanent uptiers to 8.7 with 7.7 france lol

[green hamlet]

thought the 7 shell autoloader would be bad, but the rate at which it refills shells isnt bad with the amx m4

[boreal echo]

you have to be careful when you are in a longer fight but its usually not a problem

[timber harness]

decorated my amx 30 super

[cunning sparrow]

Finally got the dart on the Mars 15. Omg its so nice. I know the pen is lower than russian, German, or USA darts but i’ve wrecked everything i’ve shot with it so far.

[timber harness]

nice

i gave up trying to play it once i realized it had no stab, armor, and a stock HEATFS shell

[cunning sparrow]

I rushed for the dart. It makes a world of difference at 8.3-9.3 lemme tell ya

[obtuse zealot]

zang i sjhould show my decorated tnaks

also no frenchy flag on barrel???!?@idk123

@timber harness

☹️

I like the stuff on the amx-30 super barrel

[timber harness]

?

[obtuse zealot]

amx-30 super is lowkey hard to make look good lmao

[timber harness]

it has some pretty akward angles and stuff

[obtuse zealot]

yeah especially on turret area

I need to re-do some of my tanks

[obtuse zealot]

oh my god fr

I usually use the EBR 1963, Foch, and Somua SM in my 7.7 lineup.

I take the Narval for air and the TPK for anti-air.

I take a couple other vehicles too but I don't use them lol

I usually always take out my EBR for 8.7 matches and for 7.7 or full down tiers I just take out my Somua.

[honest mango]

I wish that ebr wasn't an event item, but oh well

[obtuse zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/martes-sable-marten-rowan-gif-25319487

funny

[honest mango]

Funny

[obtuse zealot]

its the best french light tank at its br

rip to those who missed it

I missed the tank with the american sounding engine or whatever it is

with a char 25t turret or something.

[timber harness]

it got moved up to 8.0 with the 25t though

fighting stabilized dart slingers every match isnt very fun

[obtuse zealot]

WTF!

guess I'm not mad i missed it

anything like that overtiered idc bout

[honest mango]

Oh AMX-50 TO90, would work great with the uptiered char 25t (which is also uptiered to 8.0 Because APHE)

[timber harness]

they're good tanks, but are completely outclassed by the stuff they will consistently fight

imo the amx-30 is much less reliant on flanking

and thus actually playable

it's great fun flanking until you realize gaijin has blocked all the good routes off and there's a t55am-1 camping the only other road

[wide trench]

AMX-30 is unironically great, people just underrate it because it only has HEAT

Excellent mobility, coax 20mm, etc.

[timber harness]

it's a better leo 1 imo

very similar in design but more survivable and 20mm

also no german teammates

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. I actually like the amx-30. It just sucks when you get up-tiered to 9.3 (happens to me a lot) and your HEAT is useless against composite armor like the T-55 AAM or the proto abrams

[agile ice]

Isn’t the amx-30 8.0?

[wide trench]

Yeah

Both the 1972 and the premium

[cunning sparrow]

It is. But i’m running it with the AMX-30 ACRA and mars 15 so i’m 8.3. And tbh… i still faced the T-55 AMMs without the missile amx-30 and mars so there really is no difference in my eyes at least

[agile ice]

I mean yeah, but they are still killable with the regular AMX-30
The only problem with the AMX-30 and really 8.0 as a whole is the basically constant to 8.7/9.0

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah… i’m highly annoyed by that. I’m tired of uptiers no matter the nation or BR i play. Hell i started china playing the I-15, first matches were 2.0 uptiers

Needless to say i was pissed

[agile ice]

I mean you can't exactly get a downtier at 1.0

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah but i expected to face other bi planes. Instead i was facing P-36s, HE-112 Bs…. Shit a biplane can only fave full upgraded, and i had literally just jumped into this reserve tier biplane. But no Gaijin gives me a giant FU at every turn at every BR and i don’t know why. The only game i had where i faced biplanes i got 5 kills.

[agile ice]

You expected not to fight 1.3 planes in your 1.0?

[green hamlet]

my baguette lineup olmost finished

[cunning sparrow]

I expected not to face 2.0 planes

P-36C used to be higher when i ground it out

[agile ice]

and if each game has a br range of 1 then what range did you expect your game to be?

[cunning sparrow]

I expected to face biplanes in a nation that i have nothing but biplanes in. Or at a bare min not 2.0. The difference in speed, firepower and durability from reserve to 2.0 is immense

[agile ice]

The first plane you research after the I-15 is a monoplane

[cunning sparrow]

Switching topics. Can’t wait to get a full 8.7 lineup. Kinda wish there was a vehicle between the amx-50 Surbaisse and the amx-40.

[timber harness]

the amx 32 is there

but it still is 9.3

[cunning sparrow]

Thats the one i meant

[timber harness]

oh its so very fun to fight the df105 in my somua

"hit"

"hit"

"hit"

[cunning sparrow]

Oh it’s great fun to wreck DF-105s now with my 8.3 dart. I actually love the mars 15 now with the dart

[timber harness]

i fire dead into the turret basket and it FUCKING DID NOTHING

nice job gaijin

it's not like a 100mm ap shell going right through your feet would be harmful

ignore the sensitive electrical components

[timber harness]

the santal is fun

[cunning sparrow]

Nice

[sharp storm]

france body pillow goated

[obtuse zealot]

Wtf

When????

,😦

[honest mango]

https://discord.com/channels/393514558976950272/1238599076577280070
Get them here

[cunning sparrow]

Honestly, i know people give the F-84F thunderchief crap but it’s not a bad plane for us. Nice bomb load for GRB, napalm can destroy a base, and its becoming less and less of a bus with every performance upgrade. It’s no sabre but it could be a lot worse

[agile ice]

It’s certainly not a fighter but for a light strike craft it’s good

[cunning sparrow]

I’ve gotten a few air kills with it. I can see the complaints but it’s not bad for a light bomber/strike fighter at 8.3

But for sure F-80s, sabres, and the like absolutely rinse it

[honest mango]

F-86 is decent enough

[covert island]

Heli grind takes so long, especially since I'll never use 3 of these

[green hamlet]

pretty sure the 9.3 is actually decent

and ofcourse allouette is just yes

[sharp storm]

wdym

[cunning sparrow]

I’ve been trying ti hold out on using GRB rp for heli’s but the H-34 is just pain

[covert island]

I'm using 9.7 until I get the Block 2, then I'll go for Leclercs

[sharp storm]

how Vulnerable is the AMX-50 Surbassie to the IS-3's gun, the round with 230mm of pen

im on vacation thats why im asking

[boreal echo]

It's very susceptible to getting obliterated by it

Armor is not the amx 50s strong suit

[wide trench]

Very

The only AMX-50 with any real armor is the Somua

And even then it's not exactly stellar

[boreal echo]

The big guns are the hit point of the tanks

[wide trench]

Pros: Autoloader, good AP rounds, good mobility, french teammates

Cons: Paper Mache Armor

[boreal echo]

And being able to sling that 300 pen solid shot every 6.7 seconds is a little crazy

[wide trench]

120mm Autoloaded with actually reliable penetration

[sharp storm]

is it stuck at 6.7 seconds or can i imporve it

[boreal echo]

It's an autoloader so no

[lofty tiger]

its 6s*

not 6.7

[green hamlet]

amx-13 and the 6.7 ebr are 6.7 secs

[boreal echo]

Oh I was thinking the amx m4 for some reason

Oops

[lofty tiger]

theyre 5

only m4 amx is 6.7

[cunning sparrow]

Actually getting good rp and SL with the Thunderchief. Fire bombing bases, the occasional air kill, and artillery/AAA kills adds up. Unless a sabre or cougar comes around to end my career after one bombing run

But to get there and back i’m mowing the lawn. Which in itself is interesting to figure out given how much the napalm weighs down the plane

[sharp storm]

is the AMX Surbassie Overtier'd