Le Baguette Gang

[cinder geyser]

Oh gotcha

T20 went up

[cunning sparrow]

Ha! Back to back H-34 missile kills! Hell yeah!

[cunning sparrow]

And a fucking T-55 turret side bounced a 120 obus de rupture. Fdit gaijin. Stop hand holding and propping up the armor of vehicles that have no right no bounced these shells!!

[cinder geyser]

haNdHElD

[cunning sparrow]

I don’t care what you wanna call it. The 120mm obus de rupture can blow through 120 mm at dam near 3Km but i bounced at 10m? No

[cinder geyser]

So you got unlucky

That doesn't mean they're handheld

I hit a T34 heavy with Fiat HEAT. 433 pen to the side of the turret, zero damage.

It happens

[cunning sparrow]

It happened a LOT last night. Really got under my skin

Or they have some stupid volumetric interaction that i’m not aware of

Which is what it could be…. Damnit…

[cunning sparrow]

I guess i just need to aim for chassis side. Forget the turrets till i have darts or HEATFS

[swift nacelle]

It's because the t54/55 turrets are rounded like mushrooms, which cause the game to have trouble calculating how the shell will pen

[cunning sparrow]

Then why add them till the engine can handle it? This may be Gaijin’s issue. They add stuff before all the issues are ironed out

[cinder geyser]

Because it wasnt an issue for the 7 years before volumetric??

[cunning sparrow]

Could be

[swift nacelle]

Probably is

Gaijin's physics engine is messed up

[cunning sparrow]

They also don’t model that a dart should deform to the point of uselessness on a bounce, which is not modeled in game.

[agile ice]

Depends on the dart most modern dart rounds have excellent pen at angles because of the design and will either pen or shatter due to the materials being extremely hard but because of that brittle

[swift nacelle]

fr

[cunning sparrow]

I… i don’t believe this… i’ve struggled so bad against the M60s… i just HE cupola shotted one with the foch

[swift nacelle]

nahhhhhhhhh

what

I've been struggling against them so badly and know I learn that you can destroy them with he?

[cunning sparrow]

It coulda been a fluke. I loaded HE to deal with a spaa and it died. So i maneuvered around, spotted the Patton, to be rid of the HE i shot it and by some miracle i hit the cupola and blew him up. But now we know. Against m60 pattons load HE and try the cupola

[swift nacelle]

I've stopped grinding french tech tree now lol

[cunning sparrow]

I’m taking a “break” from it. Switched to my other nations to intersperse my time and not focus soley on france. Actually gave me better games when i did that

[wide trench]

Yeah I'll probably keep playing my 5.0 lineup, but there's little reason to play beyond that now

Time to play other nations and see what we can get uptiered now

[swift nacelle]

True, I'm more taking a break from it too

[cunning sparrow]

I love frances vehicles too much to just quit. They’re just no longer my sole focus

Finally unlocked a full 5.7 USA lineup

[swift nacelle]

grinding china with friends now

rank 2 now

[cunning sparrow]

I might start israel.

[swift nacelle]

israel was a pain for me

Only had 1 good game in the m51. Gun velocity is bad so you can't estimate shots

also speed and armour is bad

[cunning sparrow]

I’ve heard good and bad but i really don’t wanna go through the T-34/KV clones… i like shermans but i’m sick of spading and unlocking shermans. Don’t wanna do it with T-34s again as well

Its why i can’t make up my mind between China and Israel

[swift nacelle]

There are too much t34s and m4s in the game. Israel is mainly copy and paste of other nations

but so is china

[cunning sparrow]

And i’m not starting Sweden. Got a grudge against them for making my initial France and Japan T1 grind a living hell thanks to sabot

[swift nacelle]

Same. I despise sweden. I used to feel bad for Swedish mains but when they made my life a living hell when I started

[cunning sparrow]

Which i know is probably stupid cause they might be fun. But i take great pride and joy when i shut down sweden as any nation

[cunning sparrow]

I started france and japan just before sweden was added so they crushed me into the dirt with the sabot and stupid armor schemes

[swift nacelle]

Whoa, when did you start?

The only good thing about the french vehicles were that they are aroured, but the Swedish just obliterates the armour

[cunning sparrow]

I’ve been playing so long i have the T-34 prototype

[swift nacelle]

The t34 prototype!?!??!

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. I did it to buy into Closed beta Ground

I’ve taken a few breaks from war thunder when the imbalances got real bad or i had no time

I know its rare cause every time i break it out my team always makes a comment

[swift nacelle]

Only seen it once

[cunning sparrow]

I break it out when i play around 3.3 russia. Its a nice little SL grinder

[swift nacelle]

But what are the differences between the normal one and the prototype?

[cunning sparrow]

Looks, shell, maybe some turret differences. Not many i think. Lemme look

Speed. It has a stronger power to weight ratio

Other than that it is almost no different than the other T-34s with L-11s

Personally, i love the T-34 prototype. I may make a 3.3 lineup just to play it more often

[swift nacelle]

ohh ok. amx 13 dca 40 viable at 8.0 lmao

why is gaijin raising the dca 40s be when the sweds have a l62 anti II with saphe

[wide trench]

I love 6.0 Israel, especially with the premium M-51 and Spitfire, but nothing above that interests me

The M-51 is genuinely underrated because of bad players

Same HEAT round as the AMX-30 at 6.0 is nuts

[cunning sparrow]

🤷‍♂️

[swift nacelle]

probably the reason I dislike it

too slow for me. I am used to flanking with the french

[wide trench]

Yeah, that's the main downside, and volumetric being weird with HEAT rounds sometimes.

But I enjoy posting up in the back of the map, rangefinding and dropping shots onto enemies

Although ironically enough my best game in a M-51 was an urban brawl

[agile ice]

Top tier france is great as long as you don't get the americans

[weary furnace]

Whaat why are people quitting the French ground tree

[swift nacelle]

raising br at which I'm playing at

and want to grind new tech tree with friends lmao

[swift nacelle]

No stabilisers

Always paired with germany or America
Always uptiered
Nerfed every patch

• And more

[wide trench]

More or less same here.

I don't enjoy playing 9.0 and above, so the max BR I play is around 7.7.

With several of my favorite tanks moving up to 8.0, they'll be facing vehicles that are vastly superior to them in every facet

I would just go back to play my 6.7 lineup, but the AMX M4 is moving to 7.0, so unless I want to uptier the M26 more than it already is, it's not worth it

[swift nacelle]

gonna have to be 8.0 doon

[swift nacelle]

Would tell people to skip 7.0

[wide trench]

That's the point exactly

Without the AMX M4, the 6.7 lineup is dead, and not worth up-tiering to 7.0+.

The 7.7 lineup is getting shafted, and it's not like the AMX-30s are particularly competitive at 8.0 now anyway

They work, but HEAT is inconsistent

Especially when it gets an uptier to 9.0 against vehicles with ERA and composite armor

[swift nacelle]

amx 30 heat oneshots stuff most of the time for me

magachs are very annoying, because they get era very quick

[wide trench]

I probably do need more practice with it, it's just everything else about battles from that BR onwards that annoy me to no end

First spawn helicopters come to mind

[swift nacelle]

fr, like t62s and their stabilisers

[swift nacelle]

20mm autocannon with 40 degrees elevation

[cunning sparrow]

HAHA! 1 step closer to a full 7.7 france lineup!

[cunning sparrow]

Turns out playing a few matches in other nations helped to reset me from a rut. Plus… getting rhe rangefinder on the FOCH is a game changer. Accurate distances quickly helped to land shots with that beastly gun

[swift nacelle]

is the amx 13 90 good?

[cunning sparrow]

Haven’t play a game in it yet. I unlocked it last Night then went to bed. I’ll let ya know. But i can say that not exclusively playing france has improved me as a france player. Starting to get frustrated? Switch nations for a few games

[swift nacelle]

My second nation is germany but that doesn't help. Teams are horrendous at 3.3

so I just play the m22

[cunning sparrow]

Honestly… i don’t know why they do that. This is a team game. So not going off on your own and supporting your team should be a no brainer. Its how you stay alive

[swift nacelle]

Sees enemy Team is there Enemy sees me Team is gone kill stealing

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah…. Kinda how it goes at low tier. Honestly you either see the good players or the noobs low tier

[swift nacelle]

I'm like a mid player

ain't good but ain't bad

[swift nacelle]

I detest swedish mains

from now on I'm going out of my way to bully the Swedish vehicles in game

[buoyant tide]

Hi guys Do you have any advice for the 5.7/6.0 tanks?

[cunning sparrow]

Around all of them? Its a big spread of capabilities but generally france has good firepower around that BR. Got any tank in particular you need help with? I think i spaded all of them

[buoyant tide]

I would like help for the ca lorraine and the sherman

[cunning sparrow]

The M4A4 SA50 right?

Ok. The CA Lorraine is a bit unwieldy it doesn’t really have the armor to withstand any kind of incoming fire but its fast so find a hidden ambush position and be patient with it. It is a good gun but being APBC you have to aim carefully for kill shots, aka as much crew as you can get on the first shell

As for the SA50 sherman? That gun is amazing with awesome spalling. however, it is on a slower sherman chassis with weak spots for the driver and machine gunner and the shell will bounce on things it probably shouldn’t. Don’t try to be the first in. And aim for flat spots. Try to learn what you’re shooting at and go for as much crew as you can. Its not APHE so you can’t just nuke the ammo. Go for the gunner first or side shot the turret. Beware shooting tigers and panthers as the armor is trolly as hell when you think it shouldn’t be given the stat card’s stated penetration values. An angled tiger is tough to get through so go for the turret and forget the chassis. Take out that gun, breach, or the gunner to buy time.

The real France play style starts now for you, or at a minimum you’re getting a taste of what it can be

[buoyant tide]

Thanks man!

and how do u play the jumbo?

[cunning sparrow]

Its a jumbo. Angle the hull to neutralize any shell, Take out the gun, then the tracks, maneuver and side shot the turret, dead, next. Get that M61 shell ASAP

[buoyant tide]

ok thanks :))

what br are u?

[cunning sparrow]

Np. I have a full 7.7 lineup and i spaded all the 5.7/6.0 france i think

I love france’s tanks

[buoyant tide]

they get really good

especialy the leclerc even if the reload is faster irl

[cunning sparrow]

And they look amazing

[buoyant tide]

but france isn't really liked by gaijin

[cunning sparrow]

I know. But france ig and I just clicked

[buoyant tide]

ig?

[cunning sparrow]

In game

I think most if not all of my top 10 performing vehicles are french

[buoyant tide]

cool

you know i manageds 2or 3 good games with ca lorraine and the jumbo today

[cunning sparrow]

Nice! The CA Lorraine is good but its armor is its weakness

[swift nacelle]

My personal experience with the CA Lorraine was quite pleasant. It isn't a conventional casemate, unconventional in the way that it is quite fast and barely has any armour (50mm frontal). Use it as a flanker, the AP round is extremely powerful and creates quite a lot of spalling (Won't one-shot most things though) Even though the CA Lorraine has barely any horizontal guidance, it is remedied by the good neutral steering.
Strategy, flank. Flanking is how most French vehicles should be used, get into a sniping spot and keep shooting.

[swift nacelle]

And I don't own the sherman so I can't say anything

[swift nacelle]

It's a heavy tank with lots of armour, but a bad gun.
Use the stabilizer as much as possible, stabilizers mean you can always get the first shot, so I recommend shooting the barrel of the enemy first. Angle slightly at first, but then wiggle left to right as soon as you shoot, the mg port is a massive weakness and wiggling will reduce the chance of the enemy shooting you there. Watch out for tiger IIs though, they can slice through your armour easily.

[swift nacelle]

Am I the only one who thinks that the BTR 80s got a secret buff. Always been getting killed by them lately.

[cunning sparrow]

Pretty sure they got APCR belts or something. I’ll find out when i get to then eventually

[swift nacelle]

in the russian or italian tt?

[cunning sparrow]

Russian

Though i’m closer to the italian one

[swift nacelle]

how much tt do you have?!?!

(past rank 3)

[cunning sparrow]

Hmm? TT?

Lets see… american Jumbo 75, Italian Firefly, AMX-50 TOA, Russian SU-152… and i can’t remember the rank but i just researched the Chi-To

Oh and i’m damn close to the Charioteer

So… America, GB, Russia, Japan, Germany (almost forgot that one), italy, and France

[swift nacelle]

woah

You probably have over 1000 hours in game

[cunning sparrow]

Its a lot yeah. Remember how i said i have the T-34 prototype? I started warthunder when it was purely aviation as GB

[swift nacelle]

You joined when it was only aviation?

[cunning sparrow]

Yep

[swift nacelle]

You really are a veteran

[cunning sparrow]

And i have a lot of air time

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah… i just don’t do videos, though i probably could

[swift nacelle]

If you do I would def follow

[swift nacelle]

My dumb ass over here thought you joined like 2-3 years ago

[cunning sparrow]

But, family, 40 hour normal work week all make that harder

Nah

https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890

I’ve taken breaks due to stress, military, busy schedules, i’ve logged… jesus i’d be scared to see just how many hours i have

[swift nacelle]

ohhh, true, true

[swift nacelle]

Military duty?

[cunning sparrow]

Yep. Served 8.5 years

Only let my contract expire because i needed to be a father and not a dad

If you get my meaning

[swift nacelle]

Damn. Thank you for your service. Might not be for my country but I respect anyone who did service

[swift nacelle]

Yes, I believe that I do

[cunning sparrow]

Hell maybe i should do videos. Try and see how it goes. Be fun to get on with odd, defyn, spook or phly but i doubt it’d happen

[cunning sparrow]

And thank you

[swift nacelle]

I mean it won't ever happen if you never try

But don't do it if it will make you neglect other aspects of your like

life*

[cunning sparrow]

Fair. Try and spread the french love. Been trying to get spookston to play the M4A4 SA50 for a while now

[swift nacelle]

How many days?

[cunning sparrow]

Nah. I only play at night. But if youtube/twitch becomes a paying job now that’s different

Idk.. 5-6?

[swift nacelle]

gonna take like 30 days before he notices lmao

[cunning sparrow]

I just think he’d enjoy that monstrous 75 on his beloved sherman

[swift nacelle]

gtg cook dinner

bye

[cunning sparrow]

Cya

[swift nacelle]

Hey

[swift nacelle]

Effective starting today, YouTube’s new requirements for monetization in 2023 are as follows:

Videos
500 subscribers
3 valid public uploads within 90 days
3,000 watch hours in the past year

[cunning sparrow]

That’s not too bad

[swift nacelle]

Doesn't seem that hard

[swift nacelle]

202mm penetration at 5.0

tiger killer

[cunning sparrow]

But it can bounce weirdly

And lemme tell yq, the porche tiger bounces it hard core. Killing one with sabot in the early challenger from the front was so dam satisfying

[swift nacelle]

I despise porsche tigers

ugly things

[twilit snow]

They blow up so nicely tho !

[cunning sparrow]

I like how they look but they haven’t traumatized me the way sweden has

[buoyant tide]

thzanks man! yeah ti really does have a good neutral steering

[cunning sparrow]

You know what’s crazy? That’s just the ground. I didn’t think about all the planes i have either….

[swift nacelle]

They do but they look ugly

[swift nacelle]

All goods

[cunning sparrow]

Can’t wait to get some repairs on the H-34

[somber spoke]

why is le sandal at the same br as strela?

[swift nacelle]

Repairs are easy, just return to the base

[cunning sparrow]

I call the modifications repairs. Always have. I call every new vehicle junkyard fresh as they require “repairs” to get better

[somber spoke]

Messieurs, le Somua isn’t going up to 8.0 but le Char will

[swift nacelle]

ohhhhhh

[swift nacelle]

is the somua not going up?

Leopard users not being able to kill a light tank is the main reason it's going up

[wide trench]

Somua, AMX M4 and EBR BR changes were removed, but the Char 25 and TO90 are still going up to 8.0

[swift nacelle]

Oh thank god, the amx m4 would have no place in 7.0

[swift nacelle]

EBR 1963 right?

[wide trench]

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/battle-rating-changes-for-january-2024-post-feedback/

Yeah the EBR 1963

AMX-13 FL11 still going up as well lmao

[swift nacelle]

Why is the fl11 not the same br as m24?1!?

fl11 is slightly faster but it has no stab

[wide trench]

Because french mains too stronk

[swift nacelle]

American mains too stupid

[wide trench]

Real

The AMX-13-M24 is also not moving so lol lmao

[swift nacelle]

it's a premium so ofc

American players upon hearing the word "intelligence"

[cunning sparrow]

What about the Surbaise? If theTOA goes to 8.0 then the surbaise deserves it to. Better gun, bigger capacity autoloader, high speed, i can’t wait to get it

Hell a 6 second autoloader on that beast of a gun is making me salivate as i’m currently researching it

Also…. I’m sorry for the TOA going up. I’ve been playing it a lot lately

[somber spoke]

Probably not enough data to get it uptiered

[cunning sparrow]

If it gets full uptiered its screwed. APBC doesn’t do well against composite armor

[wide trench]

Not like APHE does much, if any better

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. Dart throwers should face dart throwers. Though it is fun to put a round through the side of the chassis and knock out their entire crew. I’ve learned not to go for turrets anymore unless you’re dam sure. The rounded hulls make the armor calculator freak out and thus you bounce when you shouldn’t

[swift nacelle]

brok the damn lkvk 42s should go up in br

[somber spoke]

nah sneedish TT is gaijin's baby

[swift nacelle]

It gets an autoloading bofors with SAPHE

[wide trench]

Reasonably it should, but Sweden is the polar opposite of France

But people don't want to hear Swedish Bias

[cunning sparrow]

And yet it exists in spades

[swift nacelle]

It's the most annoying vehicle at around that rank

[cunning sparrow]

Semi-Armor Piercing High Explosive in that gun is amazing for the rank. Specially cause i’m dam sure the fuze is sensitive enough to bust planes too so you only need 1 belt

[swift nacelle]

fr is

and anyways 40mm shell rips wings in half most of the time

[cunning sparrow]

Well a 40mm shell if it hits should shred a wing to pieces but 1 belt does all with pure SAPHE is kinda bs

[swift nacelle]

I mean it gets not much ammo

but then the l62 anti II is even more annoying

2.7 with saphe and good mobility

[cunning sparrow]

I know. Its a monster. Most swedish tanks are. But then you put a French round into the turret and watch it go up like a roman candle. It’s lovely

[swift nacelle]

Lovely to destroy swedish mains lmao

[swift nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/jonna-jonna-lundell-funny-theeaten-threatening-gif-25006920

[swift nacelle]

This is what I will do with my lorraine 40t to destroy swedish mains

[wide trench]

Me when I'm going to play lights out sweaty with all the tanks that got BR increases

https://tenor.com/view/watchmen-gif-8794746

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. That’s about how it goes. Things will soon feel the pain of being bopped by france

[swift nacelle]

the amx 13 dca 40 cannot pen the tiger anywhere on the front

[cunning sparrow]

I know. But nothing we can do about it. I’m excited for the DCA 30

[swift nacelle]

me too

i want it so badly

it looks so fun

[cunning sparrow]

The radar on it will help knocking out CAS as well. But i so badly want a ground striker plane as well at 7.7

[somber spoke]

it is fun, too bad skinmakers dont like it

[swift nacelle]

I gave up grinding planes

[swift nacelle]

I'm on xbox so I can't get skins

[cunning sparrow]

I haven’t. The AD-4 is a small monster. Just slow. The F4U-7 will be way better

[swift nacelle]

I suck at air rb

and ar ab

air*

[cunning sparrow]

Air AB is…. Chaos…

[somber spoke]

french TT needs a 7.3 jet

imagine fighting su11 in a F4U7

grim

[swift nacelle]

fr do

[swift nacelle]

but I mean its french so don't think we will get it

[somber spoke]

yeah I just use the hellcat with 3 tiny tims

[swift nacelle]

I use the hellcat with 3 1 thousand pounders

tiny tims too hard for me

[cunning sparrow]

The F-84G and Vautour is pretty close. Not like 7.3 France has much to offer as is

[somber spoke]

its easy man. around 60 degree dive as close as you can, use the third bar

[swift nacelle]

really?

[cunning sparrow]

Every time i’ve used the tiny tims i’ve killed team mates or missed entirely

[somber spoke]

try it

[swift nacelle]

third bar you say, so if it launches off the left wing do I point the left of the third bar?

[cunning sparrow]

Yes

[swift nacelle]

ohhhhhh

I will definitely try that next time

[somber spoke]

I mean its big enough, you dont even need to aim

[swift nacelle]

I definitely do

and at what distance do I launch?

[somber spoke]

its like a shotgun

[swift nacelle]

I aint american so I don't own billions of guns

[somber spoke]

200m or 300m ish I think

[swift nacelle]

oh ok

thousand pounders were just much easier to aim and they are usually guaranteed kills

[cunning sparrow]

I actually started to hone my aim with the italian 100 pound bomb. The 1000 pounders are nice but at these lower BR’s they throw off the airframe if they don’t drop at once. So i kinda prefer the 250s and 500s when at these BRs. They do the job nicely as is

[swift nacelle]

kinda funny how they throw off the airframe

and also the thousand pounders are so good against anti airs

[somber spoke]

too close maybe

[swift nacelle]

damn

I always wreck half of my plane when dropping bombs

[wide trench]

In fairness, if it could then it would certainly go up in BR even more

I still like the DCA 40

[swift nacelle]

it better not go up to 5.7

[wide trench]

I used it as my SPAA over the AMX and the new truck thing

That would only happen if the Italian Leopard 2 40/70 went up to at least 6.0

[swift nacelle]

same

[swift nacelle]

yeah lol

if it is at 5.7 then it would constantly die to king tigers

[cunning sparrow]

Honestly the 10p isn’t bad. At least it’s fast and has recon

[swift nacelle]

yeah

10p better anti air than 13 dca 40

[cunning sparrow]

But the belts are meh at best

[swift nacelle]

but worse anti tank

[wide trench]

I'm just too used to the ballistics on the bofors to spend time switching

If one shell lands on an aircraft it's done for

Not so much with the 20s

[swift nacelle]

true, but if one shell lands it usually means more landed too

[cunning sparrow]

It is with mingechose. Dam mineshells are nasty

[swift nacelle]

huh?

[cunning sparrow]

Mingeschosse is the special german 20mm thats meant for anti air. They found a way to pack as much explosive filler into the 20mm shell at once. Making it like razer wire when the shell bursts

[swift nacelle]

ohhhhh

[cunning sparrow]

Its brutal for AA duties

[swift nacelle]

damn german ww2

[cunning sparrow]

And the 30mm get it too. The ostwind has a mingeschosse belt

[swift nacelle]

damn

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah. If one of those lands on a plane… it better be a flying tank

But strangely i’m usually not shot down by that but by ZSU 57-2 and falcons/gepards

[swift nacelle]

never got shot down by zsu

(57-2)

only shot by gepards and stuff like that

[cunning sparrow]

Can rhe T 55 AM1 just ho away? I hate that thing

[wide trench]

Nyet comrade, you will of taking it in assholes and enjoy. Is perfect balanced against 7.7 and 8.0 tanks comrade :)))

[cunning sparrow]

Perfectly balanced my rear. The dam T-55 and M60 are too dam hard yo get through. I’m fine with limited armor on my end i’m used to it. But when i can’t get through armor that’s at 1/2 the value of my pen i expect to go through but composite in the M60, T-55, and more make it impossible

[swift nacelle]

fr

[swift nacelle]

Do gepards come with anti air missiles?

[swift nacelle]

T55 is russian so ofc

and m60 is just broken

[swift nacelle]

nvm gepards 1a2 do

[cunning sparrow]

Btw. AMX 13-90 is fun. I nuked an IS-3 from the front through that angled UFP. I was esctatic

[wide trench]

Yeah, I love the 13-90

It's the regular AMX-13, just a bit better

[cunning sparrow]

The 90 mm HEAT on a 5 second reload 12 round autoloader is brutal. If i can learn to use it properly… and NOT GET FULL UPTIERED EVERY MATCH my current french lineup is dam dangerous. I just need the Vautour or F-84G. For a better CAS. Anyone know which is better? Same ordinance from what i can see

[swift nacelle]

Gonna try and get it

[swift nacelle]

I get uptiered 97% of the time

I noted down my last 200 battles

[swift nacelle]

89% were full uptiers

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah it’s bad. And i’n tired of it. Might neglect france GRB for a hot minute

Just do ARB if i play france

Did well in the french P-63. Got 3 kills in one match. Mostly stock too

[swift nacelle]

p63 cannon too hard to aim

and I like to just spray 50 cals

[cunning sparrow]

One of my kills was with the cannon. The non-default belt will make all the difference

[swift nacelle]

just isn't my playstyle lmao

it's good in air arcade tho

because it is in the nose of the aircraft so it's easy to point

[somber spoke]

i like char way more than the 13-90, 90mm heatfs makes me mald fr

[wide trench]

Yeah, I just shot a vidar with it twice - once right in the side and from the front of a turret and only killed crew

Combination of frustrating round and broken as fuck vehicle

[swift nacelle]

Don't have both lmao

[swift nacelle]

90mm heat is not very reliable

[cunning sparrow]

Vidar is btoken

[cunning sparrow]

Ok. Might not need to take a break. Had good games last night despite some full uptiers. Idk if it was an attitude thing or maybe i wasn’t in the right mindset but i think i’m ok again. Just gotta get some SL in to get the AMX- 50 surbaise when i have it researched

[somber spoke]

take it easy, nowadays I mainly play amx30dca and santal in ab so i dont have to use my brain

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah… i think i’m gonna play another game for a hot minute. I think i’m a bit burnt out

[wide trench]

I can officially denounce anyone who says the AMX-13 isn't good.

[somber spoke]

nice one

[cunning sparrow]

Nice!

[buoyant tide]

nice

how many kills in the amx13dca??

[wide trench]

I would have to go back and check, I think it was 6 or 7 in the AMX-13

Got stuck in a bad spot with the M4 and by the time I got a few kills I got clapped

Thank god both my team and the enemy team completely ignored the flank all game

[swift nacelle]

fr is, LRF at 7.7

[swift nacelle]

bro I send 3 shots into a brumbarrs barrell and it turns red, but then the brumbarr somehow can still shoot!?!?

[cunning sparrow]

Its pure luck. Sometimes you get 2-3 shots on a red barrel. Sometimes not even 1

Rnjesus didn’t bless you on that one

[storm sky]

Mirage 2000 best french vehicle to exist (ever)

[swift nacelle]

yeah :/

I was test driving the amx 30b2 and I realised that the gunner only gets one zoom option

and it is horrendous

also the fov is rly bad

[cunning sparrow]

Dam. That sucks. Is it at least fast?

[wide trench]

Yeah the Brummbar has a stupidly strong barrel. I routinely abuse it for challenges for SPG kills and I don’t think anyone has ever damaged the barrel more than light yellow.

But then sometimes a KV-1 L11 will just one shot me from the front. It’s a strange tank

[somber spoke]

i think none of the non-leclerc tanks get to zoom

amx30 32 40

[swift nacelle]

nooooooooo

The gunners sight looks horrendous

[swift nacelle]

Is it a good tank to get?

[wide trench]

I think so

At it's BR there's very few things that can actually pen you from the front, it's surprisingly mobile, and the HE will annihilate anything

[swift nacelle]

beginner friendly? Only experience with he slingers are the AUF 1 and like 5 games with the sig 33

[wide trench]

Really the only things to watch for are Italian 90mm guns, Fireflies, and M10s

Not the most beginner friendly, but it's also not super hard to use either

[swift nacelle]

italian 90s are so powerful

[swift nacelle]

gonna wait for it to be on sale

[wide trench]

The frontal armor is strong enough that you can rush in without much worry so ranging in targets isn't too big of a concern

[swift nacelle]

Good for city maps I presume?

[wide trench]

Yeah

One of my favorite spots is here on advance to the rhine

Keeps your sides safe and you can just nuke everyone peaking the corner

[swift nacelle]

I fr love that map

[somber spoke]

AMX32 and AMX32 105 stock grind legit feels like eating turd

im losing it

[swift nacelle]

why?

[somber spoke]

massive skill issue with heatfs

[swift nacelle]

oh

Ohhhhhh ERA right?

[somber spoke]

t72a doesnt even need ERA to defeat it

[swift nacelle]

How does it defeat it?

[somber spoke]

just non pen

[swift nacelle]

oh

wait how does heat nonpen. Heat is supposed to be able to pen almost everything

composite armour I think

[wide trench]

Generally it’s volumetric

Some part of the shell hits something before the tip so it explodes but the heat jet does nothing

[swift nacelle]

Huh, quite surprising because I've had HEAT jets travel a couple hundred metres before

(Heat exploded on tree and managed to kill vehicle around 200 metres away)

[wide trench]

Another night, another 6.7 nuke. I might be starting to understand why the AMX M4 almost went up to 7.0

[swift nacelle]

shhhhh

I need more nukes with it

[wide trench]

I mean, nothing I did with it was anything that any other tank couldn't do

Battle on Ardennes, both teams just drove straight at one another

Went for the flank, got unluck the first time and very lucky the second

[swift nacelle]

tank is surprisingly mobile, and it sometimes bounces a few badly placed shots

only tank I've gotten nuke with

[wide trench]

Yeah, the armor is very polarizing

Either you die to the smallest thing

Or you bounce a russian 122 for no reason

I almost want to try for a nuke with the M26 so that I have a nuke with my entire 6.7 lineup

[swift nacelle]

Don't

you will kill yourself due to the pain

[wide trench]

Probably

I almost did just spading the damn thing in the first place

[swift nacelle]

Worse stock tank

[somber spoke]

wait until amx32 and amx32 105 lol

anything above 20mm will pen you

king tiger maneuverability

[swift nacelle]

I thought that all amx(s) were fast

wasn't that the main point of having no armour????

[somber spoke]

nah amx32 is a discount version

[swift nacelle]

discount version of what?

[somber spoke]

slow and no armor lmao

[swift nacelle]

wait mb

im stupid

[somber spoke]

of the amx40

[swift nacelle]

so should I just skip it?

[somber spoke]

absolutely

[swift nacelle]

oh ok

is the gun good at least?

[somber spoke]

i regret experting the crew

105 dm23 level

for the 30 105

[swift nacelle]

oh

[somber spoke]

120 dm13 for the amx32 slightly worse

[swift nacelle]

Haven't experted any crew yet lol

[swift nacelle]

So is the 120 worse than the 105?

[somber spoke]

120 slightly worse than the 120 DM13 of the premium leo1

[swift nacelle]

oh

[somber spoke]

slightly better actually lol 394mm vs 393mm

[swift nacelle]

1mm is quite a lot lmao

[somber spoke]

but the mobility is absolutely worse

[swift nacelle]

entire amx 30 series was supposed to be the most mobile of the mbts

that was in production in the 60s

[somber spoke]

I cant, the double stock grind has broken me

9.3 is already an uptier hell

[swift nacelle]

just don't play it

[cunning sparrow]

Is 9.3 up-tier worse than 7.7 uptier?

[wide trench]

Not in my opinion. 9.3-10.3 just about everything gets stabilizers, LRF, APFSDS, etc.

7.7-8.7 only some tanks get stabs, LRF, APFSDS, etc. and your solid shot, M82, etc. won't do squat to composite armor or ERA

[cunning sparrow]

Trust me i’m quite aware the obus de rupture does nothing to composite armor. I’ve had to rely on side shots to kill them when i can. But their great turret traverse and stabilizers still makes it risky

[timber harness]

why char25t at 8.0 😦

big sad

[cunning sparrow]

Cause APHE and speed

[somber spoke]

9.3 is 10.3 nowadays. 7.7 gets a lot of downtiers, if you have a german squad mate

sirs, 350k away from le leclerc!

a lot of choppers will die of mistral

[cunning sparrow]

NOICE!!!

[agile ice]

Mistrals after the buff are very nice, must say the first leclerc has a horrible stock grind being the only 11.7 tanks with stock heat

[somber spoke]

yeah I notice that

grim

[agile ice]

Meh could be worse, could be an ariete

[swift nacelle]

Cause german, american, and russian mains having trouble to even disable a light tank

[swift nacelle]

woah

lets go

[timber harness]

nicee

is the SANTAL good

[cunning sparrow]

Which is hilarious ngl given how dominant the BTR, M41, and BMP are

[somber spoke]

good at AB against noobs

but if its a particular lil nugget of sunshine like Mi28NM or ka52, all you can do is hiding

[timber harness]

k

[wide trench]

Man, 8.0 is a fucking hellhole of a BR

[somber spoke]

but if you can get your hands on the mig28nm, man

[wide trench]

The AMX-30 is actually decent, but christ are the TO90 and Char 25 worse than useless

[somber spoke]

i killed all their tanks while they were on choppers chasing me

lol

[somber spoke]

i havent tried the char since the uptier

it must be bad

[wide trench]

Its fucking bad

Constant 8.7 and 9.0 uptiers

[somber spoke]

cant have shit in france

[wide trench]

Its almost like the idiots on reddit and in this very server don't understand how even small changes in BR can have a big effect

And it's amost like APHE doesn't cut it at that BR

Hell, even HEAT and HEAT-FS struggle

[storm sky]

Now is the premium amx 30 a good buy? (on sale ofc)

Or should I go vb

[swift nacelle]

m41 so powerful

and so is the bmp

btr80 quite good too

[green quiver]

amx 30 super good?

shold get on sale?

[swift nacelle]

no, from what I've read it's not very good

and is it on sale?

[fringe dew]

Is good

[green quiver]

yes and no

its back on store

not on sale for half price or anything

[green quiver]

ok

[swift nacelle]

I would def trust @fringe dew more because he probably has it

I've only skimmed a few reviews online

[fringe dew]

She

[green quiver]

yeah

[swift nacelle]

wait my bad, I usually have something that changes pronouns to "She or He"

I guess that it didn't work this time

[fringe dew]

I can't talk a lot right now

Since work

But amx-30 super is very good, fast, thermals and stabiliser

But lineup is lacking iirc

Actually I think line up is somewhat okay since you have mephisto, santal amx 32 105 and amx 32 120

You really mainly lack stabilised light tank

I guess you could bring B2 Brenus and AMX-10RC

But B2 isn't necessary since you have 3 MBTs already anyways

[green quiver]

yeah nice

yup

[fringe dew]

AMX-10RC is decent rat vehicle just remember no stabiliser

But you do have neutral steering

So you can turn in place

[green quiver]

yeah nice

[wide trench]

The AMX-30 super by itself is perfectly fine. It has good mobility, stabilizer, thermals, but somewhat lackluster round and weak armor. It's roughly equivalent to the XM-1 and Leo A1A1 l/44 in that regard.

It's nothing amazing, but it's not crap like the Type 74 premium

9.3 lineup consists of it, the AMX-32s, SANTAL, and whichever light tanks you care to bring. Not great, but not the worst either.

[buoyant tide]

Hey I loove your picture

[cunning sparrow]

Given that i own it but haven’t played it “yet” as i have nothing else at that Br (not interesting in getting wrecked by APCBC being useless at that BR) i can’t say but it looks good

[wide trench]

It's solidly okay is how I would summarize it. If you're experienced at that BR you'll do fine with it. If you're not experienced and are just trying to grind out the tree you probably won't have a great experience.

IMO the Somua will remain the king of grinding france

[somber spoke]

The thing itself looks good. But 9.3 = 10.3 because of the 10.3 premiums, I’m not having good time with my 9.3 lineup in RB. If you play AB, 9.3 is ok-ish.

I wouldn’t buy it

[green quiver]

thank you very much sit

and thanks guys

[agile ice]

If your goal is to play top tier france I would take the VBCI as it's the highest br light vehicle and would be nice to have in a lineup

[somber spoke]

just got the dart round for the amx32 with a 300% booster, almost got emotional

[cunning sparrow]

Nice

[wide trench]

This fucking game sometimes

Shot a T-44-100 right on the front plate with a 120mm from the Surbaisse

'Hit' with no damage

And then he just deletes me instantly

Protection analysis shows there's nowhere on that tank that could've stopped that shot

[agile ice]

Angle more than likely did it

[cunning sparrow]

Russian tanks have volumetric hell that protection analysis fails to account for

[wide trench]

It was straight on

At maybe 150 meters

[agile ice]

Even straight on the front play is so angled that if he is even slightly angled above you it can bounce not to mention if he is moving it can have all sorts of weird gaijin shit

Always best to hit the turret on a t44 it's super weak and the first stage ammo is stored at the back

[wide trench]

I know how this all works

There is no circumstance in which the UFP of a T-44-100 isn't penetrated by a 120mm AP shell at close range, front on

[somber spoke]

why are amx32 and amx32 105 not in today's ground sim list? LMAO, even that premium VBC thing is allowed, and amx30 super

[swift nacelle]

How did u not do any damage?!?!

[swift nacelle]

If you look in depth to the engine that they use for penetration you will be depressed

[green quiver]

f4s zuni or mighty mouse for bas bomb

[green quiver]

whoops wrong channel lol

[cunning sparrow]

Oh my good lord above…. I LOVE THE AMX-50 SURBAISE!!!

[wide trench]

That one match last night aside, the Surbaisse quickly became a favorite of mine as well

What I wouldn't give for a real chance to have the Surblinde as well

[cunning sparrow]

The surbaise turns even the T-55 into scrap metal. and even junkyard fresh it’s decently quick. Plus i actually bounced shots!!! Just need to spade it. Totally love it

And i’m starting to get the hang of the Amx 13-90. Helps too instead of staying in my top tier to earn money i dropped down to use my P-40 lafeyette and B1 Ter. Felt like o was seal clubbing ngl

[wide trench]

My only issue with the AMX-13-90 is just an issue with HEAT-FS in that it's somehow even less reliable than regular HEAT.

Sometimes you annihilate something in one shot, and then the same shot again does absolutely nothing

Has no issue going clean through the side of an IS tank, but somehow can't set off the ammo in a VIDAR

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah… this is an issue. Doesn’t help the vidar is cracked. But man killing a scorpion from the rear and having the HE filler actually do something was great

[swift nacelle]

french top tier nuke plane should be the mirage 2000n

[buoyant tide]

yes

and when it comes the Rafale

by the time Iget to top tier I suppose it will be added

[cunning sparrow]

Unlocked the F5F-5 last night. Don’t have it yet. Money issues IG. Spent SL on other vehicles. Can’t wait for the F4U-7. I know it’s a beast

[buoyant tide]

nice job

yeah we all strugle with sl

[cunning sparrow]

Also got the seafire researched. Had it for a hot minute but SL. I think i’m gonna focus on getting my air to 7.7 so i can bring jets with bombs to 7.7 instead of a beefy slow Ad-4 which everything just shreds… speaking of… what’s the protection for bombs like on the IS-2? Had one survive a 1Kg bomb dropped right next to it. Made me drop a second on it

[grand void]

Can someone teach me how to play the EBR '63

[cunning sparrow]

That the premium?

[grand void]

Ye

Or just ebr in general cause I have the '51 as well

[buoyant tide]

just did a good game in the 4.0 french p63 1rst 3kills +2bots i closed war thunder

i don't want to ruin my joy + i unlocked the vb 10 2c

[swift nacelle]

Hey, so uhmm I used the EBR 51 for a bit and it is generally just a flanker, flank hard and scout a lot, then wait for the perfect opportunity to shoot

or in towns just press W and hide behind stuff then shoot them

but idk what else (I don't have a high kd in the ebr)

[cunning sparrow]

The french P-63 is actually lots of fun. Also ngl i’ve destroyed bases with the incendiary bombs for added SL and RP cause why not. Makes it slow but i welcome the extra cash

[buoyant tide]

i haven't got them yet but i will follow the advice

[cunning sparrow]

Just beware the AAA. You’re a lot slower with 3 750 lb incendiaries on ya

[buoyant tide]

i suppose you are

@cunning sparrow is it any good in grb?

[grand void]

Mine might be ok

[cunning sparrow]

Haven’t tried it in grb. I’s assume the 37 with APHE would be decent and the 3 500lb bombs would all be good in GRB but people tend to bring 109s, 190s, LA-7s, P-51, F4Us, all the great planes. I had a La-7 out turn a zero after it climbed to me. Granted i was in the A6M2 mod 11 but still. It was stupid

[buoyant tide]

i don't have the 3500lbs bombs in the mods

i only have 500

[cunning sparrow]

Don’t you get 3 of them?

[buoyant tide]

i don't know i forgot

[swift nacelle]

p63 really fun but the cannon is very hard to use when the enemy is going fast

[cunning sparrow]

Honestly i use it in easy shot situations or against big bombers/ground pounders. Sometimes a lucky shot gets it but you need the cannon fixes to make it better for anti-fighter

[swift nacelle]

that's what I tried to do but i somehow still failed

[cunning sparrow]

Yeah… ya gotta be sparing with the cannon. But against bombers… its just a perfect gun for them

[swift nacelle]

does so much damage to bombers

[cunning sparrow]

It does. Once i spade the VB i’lo upgrade to the sea fire, abd once P-63 is spades i’l” get the hellcat 5

[swift nacelle]

vb10c2 is so good

like u can win a head on almost 99% of the time

[cunning sparrow]

And it’s durable

[swift nacelle]

fr is

two wings cut off and I managed to get two head on kills

[buoyant tide]

ok thanks

[buoyant tide]

coool i just got it

i will make sure to grind it

[somber spoke]

Anyone bought the mirage2000? I’m now regretting not getting it when it’s under 20 bucks

[cunning sparrow]

I have the F1C-200. Got it half off

[somber spoke]

I have a talismaned mirage3c from ages ago. It’s manageable at 10.3 but not comfy without flares.

[cunning sparrow]

Oh dam… i just killed a F-82 with the VB!

[storm sky]

Vb is based

Just shoot and run away lmao

[cunning sparrow]

I actually out turned the thing with flaps and damage

[buoyant tide]

how does the vb perform??

[cunning sparrow]

It’s fast but a slight boat. Flaps help a lot but bleed speed. Its durable, losing 1/2 engines isn’t a death blow as they’re both centerline. And if you can get the 6 .50s and 4 20mms on target you shrek things into the dirt

[buoyant tide]

cool

[swift nacelle]

interceptor spawn is good too

[cunning sparrow]

Thats a big boon. Its powerful but heavy so it doesn’t climb super hard

[swift nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-meme-gif-26631069

Shrek into the ground

[cunning sparrow]

You know what i mean. If you get those guns on target no air target can survive

[swift nacelle]

ik

just had to point it out lmao

[swift nacelle]

somehow won all my head ons against do335s

[cunning sparrow]

You have more guns that fire faster

[swift nacelle]

but the 30mm usually devastate my plane

[cunning sparrow]

Not if he misses before you shred it

[buoyant tide]

i can't play the vb10 2

[cunning sparrow]

If you’re on in a few hours maybe i can help. I’m no defyn but i have years if experience in the game

[somber spoke]

sirs I finally got le leclerc!

should i talisman this one or wait for the s2?

[cunning sparrow]

Tots jelly you lucky bugger!!! Might wanna wait to see how you like it spaded

[swift nacelle]

I've recently unlocked the tiger H1 and I believe that I know why the Tiger went to 5.7

Over half of my games were 5.0 games, so I think that they made the Tiger go to 5.7 to prevent it from facing 4.3 vehicles, but the Tiger doesn't do very good against 6.7 so most of it's games are downtiers

sorry if it's hard to understand

wait why does 2c bis shell penetrate more than auf1's

58 (2c bis)

54 (Auf 1)

[wide trench]

You're not wrong. The Tiger should have always been higher than it was, but Gaijin mostly balances on player stats, and German mains who rush the tiger have no idea how to play it.

And when they encountered a Jumbo they couldn't lolpen from the front they panicked and don't know how to angle.

I will never get tired of yeeting Tigers.

[somber spoke]

Sirs buy le mirage 2000 now, if you want it. It’s under 25 bucks again.

[buoyant tide]

nice

[buoyant tide]

i can play for the next hour

[cunning sparrow]

I was in bed. Sorry. Got real tired around 9:30 ish and passed out quick

[buoyant tide]

no problem 🙂

[storm sky]

Nearly got mirage 2000-5f

All I gotta do is spade the m2kcs5 which won't take long at all

[somber spoke]

Did you get the mirage 4k first or just went straight for the 5f?

[storm sky]

4k first but I love CS5 more for br so I'd get that first then the 4k if I did it again

[swift nacelle]

fr

[turbid kettle]

Get anti aircraft in GRB special task -> TP.K goes BRR

[wide trench]

I still need to give that one a try as soon as I finish spading the AMX-10P

[somber spoke]

Do you recommend the cs4? I’m grinding the mirageF1

[buoyant tide]

Guys, I have a problem,

i often manage to shoot down my ennemy with the vb10-02 but usually it is in a vertical headon

so i don't have the tim to get away from the dead ennemy plane

and i get taken out:((

[somber spoke]

You might want to energy trap them or pull out of the headon earlier depending on the situation. It’s a big plane with a huge profile. It’s hard for the enemy not to hit you.

It’s a worse P47 imo

[buoyant tide]

it is what i try to do but it is hard

plus the plane isn't manoeuvrble at all

if they are 1 bomber and 2 fighters should i go for fighter or bomber?

[turbid kettle]

little sad it doesn't get access to G-suits

cause boomnzoom with 6 x .50 and 4 x 20mm mmhhh

bringing your full anti air line up to work

[storm sky]

I don't have CS4, but it seems like it would be pretty good with only Cms as an issue

Also wdym grind it

Did you mean CS5? If so absolutely grind it, it's amazing

[somber spoke]

I’m getting the F1 with the mirage3c. Just wanted to know if grinding with the cs4 is comfier

[cinder geyser]

Starting to actually like the CA Lorraine

Surprisingly

[atomic quartz]

Very fast

[cinder geyser]

Very fast, great gun ofc

I wish it had a few more degrees of gun traverse but thats my only real qualm. If it had armor itd be 6.7 and pointless

[weary furnace]

Yeah just do it with the cs4

I literally grinded with the 3C but I have a better KD on the damn Jaguar than i do on that

[somber spoke]

lol I bet having 250 flares helps

[weary furnace]

Yep, I climb and get to drop bombs at almost every match, and kill strike aircraft or surprise unsuspecting fighters

My highest RP earner and it's not even in my top 5 most played vehicles. And it's not a premium

Definitely needs getting used to though, I thought it was trash first time I got it

[somber spoke]

i thought it was trash so I talismaned the 3c

[weary furnace]

Should've talis the the Cs4

I've seen people who were really good at the 3C so maybe it's not all bad, I think it's better than the 3E

[swift nacelle]

How do I kill tiger 1s with the amx 10P?

[somber spoke]

I talised the 3c before they released the 3e, and yeah the 3e is 1 ton heavier than the 3c

[weary furnace]

Wow that's a long time ago

[wide trench]

Just missed a nuke in a full uptier with the Somua and Surbaise

4km away and we ran out of tickets because the team couldn't hold anything

[swift nacelle]

noooooooooooooooooooo

[weary furnace]

Sad

[wide trench]

Half my team died to a Turm III at the start of the match and kept driving straight towards B

I was literally the only one who flanked

[turbid kettle]

Kill them with emotional damage when you strip them of every module they have

[swift nacelle]

bro i feel bad for u

[wide trench]

It is what it is

I had accepted the loss when literally none of my team made it to B in the first push

The nuke was a pleasant surprise

[swift nacelle]

only gotten nuke once

[cinder geyser]

I've been close

But I don't play the BRs with it too much

I did once get nuked 3 games in a row though 🙃

[buoyant tide]

not the only one whe u flank well it is incredible!

[turbid kettle]

Mistakes were mades

[cunning sparrow]

@buoyant tide Sorry it took me a minute to respond. I’d avoid head ons in the VB personally. If you see it coming and you’re sure of your aim? Fine. But don’t seek them out.

As to your question. It’d depend on the fighter escorts. You have amazing firepower to just send the bomber into the dirt. However climbing to them can make you easy prey for a fighter. So that’s very situational. If you’re above the bomber and can zoom away? Bomber. If yoh gotta climb for it? Take out the fighters first and bait them into an energy trap. You maintain energy very well but the use of combat flaps may be required

[buoyant tide]

hello, no problem
what is your strategy if it isn't head ons?
well, I manage to get to 4000m and be around 380-400km/h but i still am a prey
By energy trap, do you mean go vertical ?

[somber spoke]

see 14:22 this is a energy trap. basically use your energy to trick the enemy to stall himself out in front of you https://youtu.be/rCTZu8mge8Q?si=hl1bHrKYSQGzgvEj

[buoyant tide]

tnaks

[somber spoke]

going vertical can work, if the enengy difference is huge

[buoyant tide]

yeah

but if i just got out of a big climb it seems like a bad idea

[somber spoke]

yeah thats a free kill

[buoyant tide]

ot good for me

*not

[agile ice]

Energy is height + speed so keep that in mind you might have more alt but if they're going a lot faster and you're really slow they can still have a big advantage

[cunning sparrow]

Or, you have 2 engines. Boom and zoom. Use your weight and power to climb away after zooming down to take shots. Then turn around, zoom back in once it’s safe to do so. Now i did yo yo kill a F-82 with the VB but that was purely my skill vs someone relying on their plane’s ability and raw power of…. 15? .50s

[buoyant tide]

roger that

[buoyant tide]

i find it hard to boom and zoom efficiently

becase the mplane isn't manoeuvrable so if the ennemy changes direction brutally i can't get a shot

but i will try

[cunning sparrow]

If they change directions suddenly don’t try to turn with them. Nose up and fly away at full WEP. Unless you really know the plane, the enemy plane, and how thry’ll act don’t do it. Or unless you know you’re skilled enough to compemsate

[cinder geyser]

Why does AMX 13 have to be so ass

And when can we get this one

Or this one

[wide trench]

IDK what you're on about, the AMX-13 is great

[swift nacelle]

amx 13 is fast but it doesn't feel fast

idk why but I get a better sense of speed in the amx m4

I've recently returned to 5.7 france and it is so fun

[turbid kettle]

nearly same BR as T92 but worse in everyway

[swift nacelle]

reload is better

[wide trench]

Just the sense of scale of small tank vs regular tank

[wide trench]

Personally I think the T92 is ass

Armor can be troll-y, but that's about it

[turbid kettle]

not by much, and the reload is the same with max reload crew

[swift nacelle]

?? T92 is 8 sec reload with ace crew

amx 13 is 5 sec

[swift nacelle]

yeah :/ just doesnt feel as fun

Amx 13 fl11>Amx 13 fl10

[swift nacelle]

76mm heat and apds doesnt do much damage

[wide trench]

Yeah, especially the HEAT

The APDS isn't bad, though

I can bully Tiger IIs and such with it all day long

I just jive with the AMX-13 more

[turbid kettle]

it shows 6.5 base reload for me for T92

[swift nacelle]

nah I was talking about spall (Subcalibre weapons make much less spall than full sized AP) you probably knew that but just in case

[wide trench]

Oh yeah

I just ignore post-pen damage with small calibers anyway

Just shoot for critical components

[swift nacelle]

This one?

[turbid kettle]

where do you find 8 sec

[swift nacelle]

ohhhhhhhh wait mb I accidentally read machine gun realod

reload*

wait it gets better gun depression

but the first stage ammo is limited on that

[turbid kettle]

yep the amx13 is terrible compared to T92 just for 0.3 BR

like amx 13FL11 and EBR getting pushed higher and higher BR

[swift nacelle]

yes I can see that now

[swift nacelle]

only because good players play them which in turn makes the stats higher

so Gaijin thinks that it is op

m24 should be at least 4.0 if amx 13 fl11 is 4.3

[wide trench]

Hi it's me. I'm the problem

[swift nacelle]

but my kd in it should be making up for that

[cinder geyser]

AMXs gun handling is just too bad for me to enjoy I think

And it's engine is feeble

Hopefully the tier iv upgrades fix that

[turbid kettle]

the selling point of the amx 13 is supposed to be the auto loader but unfortunately the chassis suffer for it and it's getting higher in BR

[cinder geyser]

I just see it as being too high compared to the FL10 Sherman

[swift nacelle]

Wait amx 30 super gets a stabilizer

[buoyant tide]

oh i see thanks:)

[wide trench]

Yeah, one of the few French tanks that does

Along with the AMX-32s

[weary furnace]

Wouldn't be on 9.3 without it

[cunning sparrow]

Np! Just beware having 2 engines in one fuselage makes the engines prone to overheating yo a little heat management may be required

[buoyant tide]

yeah i know i usually turn my engines yellow xD

but it flys fine

[cunning sparrow]

Fair. Just trying to help. It does cool quick but i have turned them red on accident while dogfighting another heavy bugger

[buoyant tide]

thanks 🙂

the only downfall with it is that it isn't manoeuvrable

[weary furnace]

Talking about the French P-47??

[buoyant tide]

the vb10-002

in a week i took form stock to this

[weary furnace]

Doesn't need to be maneuverable with all that power

[buoyant tide]

most of the time it is true

but some times i wouldn't mind it being more agile

[weary furnace]

It's fun, a plane not good at doing everything makes it rewarding to play

That's why I love France tree

[buoyant tide]

i love it for it's history, good vehicules and because i am french xD

How do u play the seafire?

[weary furnace]

try to turn fight everything

[buoyant tide]

ok it is a dog fighter

[weary furnace]

It's pretty mid tbh

[buoyant tide]

what do u suggest i should reserch after it?

[weary furnace]

F8F1B

[weary furnace]

After it?

After it's the ouragan no?

[buoyant tide]

yeah

but firts i have a few things to grind

[weary furnace]

I had some success with the F8F and the Corsair

[buoyant tide]

noice

[weary furnace]

Is that br still filled with Ju288's?

[buoyant tide]

idk i m cheking

[buoyant tide]

there are ju 188

at 5.3

[weary furnace]

Wait what's your current br

What're you playing now

[weary furnace]

Yeah so if you reach around 6.0 every match you'll face this premium bomber called the Ju-288

But I don't really know it's been a long time since I've played that br

[buoyant tide]

i think i saw a few

[weary furnace]

Very annoying, most matches I had was only like 6v6 and it's filled with that bomber

Also quite fast and have good turrets

[buoyant tide]

never fought against one but they are fast

[weary furnace]

After you get the seafire just keep grinding with the vb, the seafire and F6f-5 is mid imo, but the AD-4 is good if you want to do CAS in ground or you can ground pound in air rb. But I found that boring, quite efficient though.

[buoyant tide]

ok thannks for the advce

[weary furnace]

I'd then grind using the bearcat or the corsair

[buoyant tide]

yeah, it is the objective to cas in grb

i will do that

y the way, 01000110 why is your pseudo 70 in binary?

[weary furnace]

No idea, I even forgot myself why that is

[buoyant tide]

xD

u must have discord since a long time

[weary furnace]

No only since 2020

[buoyant tide]

well, never mind :))

[buoyant tide]

i finished all the vb's modifications

[swift nacelle]

Definitely worth it then

amx 30 chassis is just very good

[wide trench]

Yeah I picked up the Super on sale and have yet to actually play it lol

[swift nacelle]

it's expensive tho

[wide trench]

Waiting until I unlock the 32 and 32-105 for a full lineup

Wasn't too bad. I think it was $30?

Instead of whatever it costs for GE now

[swift nacelle]

30 usd tho

like 60 nzd

[wide trench]

I mean, in the context of a video game it's expensive for what it is

[swift nacelle]

yeah

[wide trench]

But I treat this as a hobby of mine, and I have spent far more on far less

[swift nacelle]

I mean as long as you don't feel forced to buy it then it's all fine

[wide trench]

Definitely not forced lol

I am in control of my own terrible financial decisions

[swift nacelle]

Quickly hides my bank account balance

[swift nacelle]

haha

[wide trench]

There's genuinely very few premiums I actually regret. A-10 and Wolfpack being chief among them tbh

[cunning sparrow]

Seafire takes some getting used to. 4 7.7s at 6.0 is kinda bleh but you get full tracer belts to help you aim the hispanos

[cinder geyser]

It's hugely over BRd

The Seafire III is quite literally a Spitfire IIC with a modified engine for low altitude work, arrestor gear and folding wings. And the IIC was just a IIb with the ability to carry rescue gear for ASR work.

It's a 3.7 plane at 5.0

[cunning sparrow]

And yet i’ve started to put work in with it. The dam thing is very maneuverable with good cannon belts

[cinder geyser]

I really like it but it should be 4.3

[cunning sparrow]

Agreed. P-51 H mustangs just have their way with it

[cinder geyser]

H models are scary man...

The other day I was in the D-9 and saw a mustang fly by, so I went to pursue it not realizing it was an H. Heart dropped as he zoomed off but thankfully he never came back around

[cunning sparrow]

The dora 190s are also scary. That bomber engine gives them some serious torque

[turbid kettle]

at least seafire turn well and has good 20mm

[weary furnace]

How many updates do you reckon till we get the Rafale or the 2000D with MICA's

[cunning sparrow]

After everyone else gets their Active radar missiles. Gaijin hates France for some reason

[swift nacelle]

10+ lmao

[somber spoke]

The ingame 2kD will get MICAs in the future?

[cunning sparrow]

If active radar missile systems are coming then it only makes sense

[storm sky]

The 5f would get them too

Also, MICA's are really advanced compared to early fox 3s like 120a

They would have to get the magic 2 nerf treatment

Like micas have 50+g thrust vectoring capabilities

It's more in line with 120c/D's

Although MICAs do trade range for manouverability etc

Eurofighter has already been denied for next update so Rafale definately won't come as it has similar if not better capabilities than the eurofighter

I guess they could add it in a F1 standard config and limit the missiles but that would just be mean lol

[agile ice]

I mean neither the eurofighter nor rafale will be soon as they would wipe the floor with anything not another eurofighter or rafale

[storm sky]

Yeag

Yeah

[agile ice]

It would likely just get the nerf and come when the 120 does despite being developed at the same time as the MICA

[storm sky]

I can see them being added with nerfs but it's just not time yet

[agile ice]

My bet is a (late) version of some planes that can carry those types of missiles

[storm sky]

120 will probably come this update

[agile ice]

I also don't think it'll be for a while considering where some air trees are currently lacking top tier jets and the other big changes they've announced for the updates in the first half

[storm sky]

I guess MICA could (and I hope it does) come

I'm just waiting untill magic 2 gets it's proper capabilities

God discord is having some issues

Internet had a moment so some of those messages I sent were not timed right lol

[agile ice]

Can we blame the server hamster for that one?

[storm sky]

Yeah sure

Anyways, 120s are either coming this or update after this one

Well, fox 3s

[agile ice]

Well then yeah mica should come but just a nerfed version

[storm sky]

Hopefully

Slightly doubtful but France definately needs it

[agile ice]

Yeah look France getting something even competitive is rare when compared to the US

[storm sky]

I mean 2000, 4000 are both pretty good rn

2000cs5 is amazing

[agile ice]

Yeah but the cs5 was the top tier jet alongside the f16 the 5f also came with the f14b and was matched up against the f16c for a long time

[storm sky]

Yeah

The 5f is gonna be insanely deadly when it gets MICA's

[agile ice]

generally nations not russia or US get their stuff about 6 months after so maybe

[storm sky]

Yeah

[cunning sparrow]

Soo…. Frances F4U-7 is a finicky mistress. It doesn’t behave as i thought it could under load

[weary furnace]

It's a different variant irl so probably a different plane

[weary furnace]

God I just want the magic 2 to have the irl smoke detector that differentiates engine heat and flares so it'll make up for its short ass range

[weary furnace]

If France players actually get something competitive the winrates would be like 70%+, we just that good

[swift nacelle]

Wait really?

Is the roll rate worse or something

[cunning sparrow]

The elevator authority is just not there when you’re carrying bombs. Granted not spaded but still

[storm sky]

And the proper 50g pull

[agile ice]

Italy be like

[cinder geyser]

I've had no problem with the -7

[grand void]

Almost

Almost got the lorraine 40t

[cunning sparrow]

It may not be an issue. It could just be me not used to its flight performance carrying 10 bombs

Don’t have the 1000s or rockets yet

[cinder geyser]

Oh yeah I never went with more than 6

I usually did 4 and 4 HVARs

[cunning sparrow]

I’m just using the base loadouts. When i get to the 500s, 1000s and SNEBS i’m sure it’ll get better

[swift nacelle]

Really fun vehicle

[cunning sparrow]

ok. i have the SL and RP. Char 25 or AMX-30?

[dusky wharf]

The No.100 bombs work wonders if you can accurately free aim

[cunning sparrow]

keyword if

[grand void]

it really is

amx is my next tank

[cunning sparrow]

I’m torn between the Amx-30 1972 and the char 25t. On one hand, the char is amazing, but the heat on the AMX-30 will make a big difference for me in uptiers

[cinder geyser]

I hate the char myself

[wide trench]

The AMX is genuinely pretty solid. The Char 25t at 8.0 is a travesty.

In a slight up-tier it's fine, but anything 8.7 and beyond it's not really worth spawning in.

[grand void]

I'm probably just gonna stick around 7.7

[cunning sparrow]

Fair. I’m juts sick of the 8.7 uptiers and being all but useless as I’m wrecked if something sneezes at me

[grand void]

I don't mind it too much

I like the 7.7 vehicles even at 8.7 I do well

[cunning sparrow]

Only the 13-90 and 120 obus do well for me without flanking. If i get the flank? Oh that’s scary

[grand void]

REAL

[swift nacelle]

amx 30

[swift nacelle]

The Char 25t is good for flanking but won't do anything to the front of a tank.
Amx 30's heat is insanely good, most of my kills in the amx 30 were all one shots

[grand void]

I like the char it just requires a style

That I don't have lol

I don't think my k/d in it is good so don't look

[cunning sparrow]

I’ll will be getting the char in time. But i think for an 8.0 vehicle the amx with the 400 mm of heat just takes the cake

[swift nacelle]

20mm autocannon with 40 degrees of gun elevation is a steal

[cinder geyser]

Char 25 is a 7.3 vehicle

[swift nacelle]

it's 8.0

[cinder geyser]

Woooooosh

[swift nacelle]

My sense of humour is very bad

I don't understand much

[swift nacelle]

also fuel tanks explode almost instantly

[swift nacelle]

When Amx 30 with stabilized gun sight

[dusky wharf]

Probably never

[swift nacelle]

damn

I want it

[somber spoke]

sandal in ab + no strela = farming

[green quiver]

somua or 30 super

[dusky wharf]

Somua

[green quiver]

even with same price and lower rank? (on sale)

[dusky wharf]

AMX-30 Super is below average

[dusky wharf]

Somua is good for the BR, AMX-30S isn't

[green quiver]

yeah

is rank 6 fine to grind up to rank 7 with in france?

[ancient nest]

Any tips on how to play the leclerc?

[cunning sparrow]

Amx-30 super

[swift nacelle]

I meant tech tree variants

[cunning sparrow]

Ah. Then i don’t know of any till the…. Amx-40?

[cunning sparrow]

Oh. I unlocked the french bearcat last night. I like the american one so the B should be amazing

[cinder geyser]

You'll like it

I could argue it should be 6.0 instead of 6.3 but either way it's a fun lil beast

[swift nacelle]

Just kinda annoying how the AMX 30's FCS was extremely advanced but in war thunder it is quite simple

[swift nacelle]

and I think the 30 super is a stabilised gun, not just the gun sight

[cunning sparrow]

I know. But Gaijin hates France with a passion

[swift nacelle]

yeah :/

[weary furnace]

A lot of missing advanced features looks to be how gaijin is treating France

I remember it took a long time for the Etentard IVM to get it's ballistics computer

Who knows how much stuff they haven't added in

The relatively small french player community has to post it in the forums first to make them aware of it, gaijin most definitely won't look for it themselves

[cunning sparrow]

If BR 1 France wasn’t pure pain and misery more would play them

[weary furnace]

Yeah I looked at low tier french winrates it's literally the worst out of all nations in all br ranges

The reason I got into France was because I got free low tier premiums though so I never got to experience that

[cunning sparrow]

It was real bad early on. But those who stick through it get to experience some badass vehicles

I just got the AMX-30 and oh man… its so nice

[wide trench]

Yeah, low tier france is genuinely the worst in the game. It's so bad that there's one reserve vehicle you can't actually use until you've unlocked 2-3 other ones because it's so bad.

Once you hit Rank II it's at least somewhat bearable

From 5.0 onwards it's been absolutely amazing for the most part

[swift nacelle]

I mean it isn't too bad, the AMD 35 is what I used to grind the majority of tier 1

but yeah, it is painful. I thought that I did bad because I was bad, but turns out that it wasn't just my experience causing me pain

[swift nacelle]

I'm too good in the tiger 1

6 kill games consistently

[cinder geyser]

how the fuckj

does a fully bomb loaded F8F

Outmaneuver a nearly spaded D-12

Like i was a fucking cargo plane

I was in a dive, he pulled up, and turned around and onto me before I even turned 90 degrees

[cunning sparrow]

I misread… sorry

Bearcats if spaded are scary agile. And they carry enough power in the engines to pull stupid maneuvers like the 109 does at speed

[cinder geyser]

I think im giving the D-12 too much credit too

its good but its turn is awkward

same with D-9

[cunning sparrow]

The roll rate on them is to die for though