Species Rework and Backfilling in Cuatro Colinas

[gritty maple]

Hhm.. , that inspired me

maybe i going to do something similar for hirschfelden ( EW we need more backfills!)

[signal heron]

There are many maps that need backfilling such as Mississippi, Cuatro Colinas, Hirschfelden, Medved Taiga, Emerald Coast with the rabbits, Layton Lake District, etc. We must recognize that Revontuli Coast marked a before and after in the game and to that we must add the improvement of the graphic engine, etc.

[signal heron]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1272910228198789170

[gritty maple]

just compare hirsch and nem same environment different graphic .

[signal heron]

completely

[gritty maple]

already upvoted

[signal heron]

That's true, but I saw that you said that you would like to see the capercaillie or something similar added, but you have to realise that in the agricultural areas of Germany these types of species are not hunted, but mouflons, sika deer, small mammals y birds.

[gritty maple]

i know but they would fit well in the western spruce forest its quit empty

snow leopards also arent hunted

[signal heron]

Yes, but that would break the main idea of ​​the game, which is the realism of biodiversity, that is, hunting native species of each place as in real life and in this case, to give more life to the forests, it would be the woodcock, for example.

[signal heron]

Yes, but I think this last map was an exception.

[gritty maple]

lets say its not only germany and more of an combination of swizz ,germany and austria were they live and i think also hunted

the codex only says its middle europe

[signal heron]

Yes, it is based on Central Europe, but the map's relief is half German agricultural areas and the other is half mountainous forest the Austria, I think, or something like that.

[signal heron]

already

[gritty maple]

yeah so its posible.the western forest( which is austria ) is also the only place i would see them

[signal heron]

I wouldn't see any capercaillie in Hirschfelden anyway.

[gritty maple]

Depends on your opinion

I wanna have them on hirsch you not diffirent opinion

[signal heron]

I am not against not adding them but in my opinion right now I cannot imagine Hirschfelden with capercaillie

[gritty maple]

Hirsch in classic has them altough its mostly fields and like no mountainforest were there prefered Habitat is

[signal heron]

already

[agile tendon]

the lake on the map that you are talking about, it is described as one of the largest in Europe, but in Germany, Austria and Switzerland there is what, Lake Constance. Knowing that I have already been there recently, I can tell you that it looks a bit like it because there is a lot of agriculture in Germany and the mountains of Austria. So I would say both based on the fact of the size of the lake.

[somber lantern]

Hello TheEnty,

Thank you for sharing your detailed thoughts on species rework and backfilling in Cuatro Colinas. Your suggestions for replacing species to reflect real-life conditions, along with the proposed population counts, show a lot of passion and thoughtfulness. Adding diversity like the Iberian Deer and Fallow Deer could indeed enhance the gameplay experience.

We encourage you to submit these, and any other ideas you might have through our support portal at https://support.thehunter.com/hc/en-us/requests/new so we can review them further!

[oblique ravine]

Well the red deer aren’t really wrong because Iberian deer would be a subspecies of red deer kinda like how we have bobcats and Mexican bobcats in game which are different subspecies. Anyway I really like the idea of fallow deer on cantor that would be very fun

[signal heron]

I think that the distinction of the subspecie of the deer is fundamental since in the peninsula there is not hunting the red deer but the Iberian deer and the same happens with the hare, in the peninsula the Iberian hare is hunted, not the European hare.

[leaden shore]

The subspecies of Red Deer that seems to be represented in game is the Central European Red Deer (Cervus elaphus hippelaphus), so I do think having the Red Deer on Cuatro be based on the Iberian Red Deer (Cervus elaphus hispanicus) would be a good change too make

[signal heron]

I think all the changes I made were good and would also give much more life to the map.

[wispy geyser]

I don't think removing a GO from a map would go over well with people.

nor do we have any deer subspecies in the game aside from the blacktail deer, which suffers from a extremely restrictive IRL range that prevents it from being added to other maps.

[signal heron]

Well, people are asking for subspecies distinctions, so if they want it they will have to sacrifice a GO, for example the moose, if a subspecies distinction were made the GO would disappear and it would have to be given to one of the subspecies.

[wispy geyser]

and I imagine that would be a coding nightmare for the devs

[signal heron]

It improves the diversity of species and subspecies in the game and that enriches the game, but my opinion is that they should turn the GOs into a species of atypical, they would have the same antlers, horns, etc., but the fur would be common, this would not affect the predators and the pheasant, which I would also leave as they are because they are perfect.

[wispy geyser]

"turn GO's into a species of atypical" you're asking for a complete overhaul of the GO system, which would affect ALL GO's.

and again, be a coding nightmare

[signal heron]

That's true, but I think the changes are harsh but benefit the game and a large-scale subspecies distinction would improve the diversity of species in the game and if you add backfilling then the game would improve a lot but that requires a lot of work and a lot of time.

[wispy geyser]

they can add diversity without touching what already exists.

[signal heron]

It doesn't have to, because the antlers and horns would be the same, you would only have to put the common fur on the animal, it is just a matter of changing the fur on the GOs that have antlers and horns.

[signal heron]

That would be even more difficult, they should take advantage of the maps they have in the game and improve them, starting with the species.

[wispy geyser]

replacing an entire GO species would incite immense community backlash from people who grind on Cuatro.

Red deer do not need to be replaced with what would essentially be Cuatro's blacktail.

[signal heron]

Yes, but there are two options, either make a GO for each subspecies or give the GO to a subspecies

[signal heron]

I know that nobody likes this idea, but I think that if the GOs of Moose, Red Deer, Fallow Deer and Tahr were to remove their special coats and give them the common coats of each species, exactly like the white-tailed deer, the GOs would gain a lot and it would also make it easier to distinguish subspecies.

[wispy geyser]

mhm...you weren't here when the moose GO first launched, were you.

people were A N G R Y about them having the common furs.

and the WT GO does have a unique variant of a rare fur. With it being a rare, however, there's only three legitimate ones to be known to exist.

[signal heron]

Well, I don't understand why, sometimes what the community wants is not what's best for the game and that happens in all games.

[wispy geyser]

COTW is a community-driven game.

[signal heron]

As far as I know, the WT GO can only appear with the common, albino, melanistic and piebald.

[wispy geyser]

nope, Fabled Piebald is a thing.

they are not capable of being spawned as albino, melanistic, or the standard piebald legitimately (the one case of an albino unfortunately was a side-effect of the Whitetail Fur Fiasco when Rancho launched)

[signal heron]

Well, I don't know how they want a distinction of subspecies if they don't want to change the GOs.

[wispy geyser]

Most likely, it would just be a name change rather than an outright replacement, via the puma/mtn lion distinction

[signal heron]

Well, it shouldn't be that way, each subspecies is totally different from other subspecies or from the legitimate species.

change the antlers, weight, size, shape of the animal, hair color, etc.

[wispy geyser]

COTW is also not meant to be a hyper-realistic game.

[signal heron]

I don't treat that, but at least change the weight, the color of the fur and the shape of the antlers, is that too much to ask?

[wispy geyser]

in terms of coding, most likely would be

[leaden shore]

Vurhonga is proof of that unfortunately

[wispy geyser]

at the very least it would create a lot of bugs

My point is, the grinding community would go rabid with some of the changes you're wanting to see. The unique furs being removed especially, because fur types are half the reason most people try for GOs in the first place.

[signal heron]

Would there be a lot of bugs just by changing the number of the animal's weight and putting different coats and different antlers depending on the reserve?

[wispy geyser]

Yes.

case in point, the bobcats

they were making diamond at far lower levels than they were supposed to when their weights got changed

[signal heron]

Well, let's forget about the coats and talk about the subspecies. If they make the distinction between subspecies of the moose, for example, and the GO is given to the NEM moose, what do you think would happen?

[wispy geyser]

The people who can't stand NEM, which is a significant amount of people, would be extremely vocal about how much they hated it.

[signal heron]

That was at the beginning, then it was fixed and that was it. Besides, they already have experience with the Bobcats, why not aim for more?

[leaden shore]

I was one of those people who was not too fond of NEM, then I warmed up to it when a friend convinced me to check it out, and its not a bad map I will say

[wispy geyser]

one of the considerations that goes into which animal gets a GO variant is map availability. If they were to do what you suggest and lock GO's to one specific subspecies, one specific map, it would defeat the purpose.

It would not go over well with the grinding community.

because people like having options.

Subspecies would be nice for realisim, but with the direction this game is heading in, it doesn't need it.

the "species variety" that people want is new animals altogether.

[signal heron]

I think if they do this: https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1273552003712421899, then they put difficulty on the rare GO furs and have the common fur and in the case of the GO moose only the NEM moose would have it, I don't think there would be complaints, it would even get people hooked because now there is difficulty in the special GO furs so people would play more, etc.

[wispy geyser]

or discourage people into stopping.

[leaden shore]

People complained about the Great One Tahr not having a Drink Zone

[wispy geyser]

and a number of people are waiting for them to be added to Te before trying to go after one.

[signal heron]

That would only happen to the moose, but after doing that and limiting the GO to a map, GOs would be made for other subspecies of moose and apart from that, the tahr is only found in Sundarpatan...

[wispy geyser]

I genuinely don't think that would happen.

it would add way too much time between actual new content updates.

and when new content updates stop happening, then people start crying "dead game"

and begin leaving in droves.

[signal heron]

That's fine, and they should also take away the drinking areas from the CC ibexes to force us to hunt them in the mountains.

[leaden shore]

I wouldn't mind that actually, that would open up the lowlands for species like red-legged partridge, fox, genet and wood pigeon

[wispy geyser]

I can see we're never going to find equal footing on this. I suggest updating your post to include ALL of your proposed animal changes so that people don't get caught unaware if it is implemented.

[signal heron]

What they should do is stop adding new content for a whole year and improve the game, doing a backfill, subspecies distinction, a massive animal remaster, etc.

[wispy geyser]

from what I can gather, you want the devs to turn the game from something casual into something intensive, like Classic is.

that might please the Classic half of the community, but it would likely drive many people away as well.

considering that theAngler got EoS'd for not having enough of an audience, I imagine people would want to avoid that happening.

[signal heron]

I don't think so