Red Rock Reserve (Utah map) Possibility for 2 Great Ones and much needed Reworks

[subtle osprey]

Set in the fall, when the Quakie trees are bright yellow, orange and red. Yet it snows in the upper regions of the map. It would be orange desert rock lower, and transition into more gray and tan rock with Quakie, Ponderosa and Pine trees. And open fields of Sagebrush with Juniper trees. This map has a lot of returning species, but with the possibility for 2 Great Ones, and some much needed Reworks for some species, and guns, such as the .270 and the 6.5 Creedmoore. The bottom part of the map is inspired by Zions National Park.
N = New

Plains bison - Small population - Class 9 - Probably not even needed
Shiras Moose - Class 8 - N
Rocky Mountain Elk - Class 7 - New Great One + Rework
Black bear - Class 7
Mule deer - Class 5 - New Great One + Rework
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep - Class 5 - Rework
Desert Bighorn Sheep - Class 5 - Backfilled to Rancho and Rocky Mountain Bighorn removed. - N
Mountain lion - small population - Class 5
Mountain Goat - Make Class 5 and add more Fluff
Pronghorn - Make Class 4 again
Bobcat - Class 2
Coyote - Class 2 - Rework + More fluff
White-tailed Jackrabbit - Class 1
Kit Fox - Class 1 or 2 - N
Canada goose - Class 1
California Quail - Class 1 - N
Ring-necked Pheasant - Class 1 - Remodel
Greater Sage Grouse - Class 1 - N
Tundra Swan - Class 1 - N
Sandhill Crane - Class 1 - N
Chukar - Class 1 - N
Mourning Dove - Class 1 - N
Sharptail Grouse - Class 1 - N
White-Tailed Ptarmagin - Class 1 - N
Dusky Grouse - Class 1 - N
Ruffed Grouse - Class 1 - N
Cottontail Rabbit - Class 1 - N
Rio Grande Turkey - Class 1
Merriam Turkey - Class 1

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1249779561948778548 Great One mule deer link and Great One Elk link https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1200710583335538790

[opal kayak]

I just hope we get some tall mountains with this one, SRP didn’t do the Rockies justice.

[subtle osprey]

Yeah, SRP is good, but not super mountain - y I kinda wish Sundarpatan had more mountain stuff too. Want some steep stuff

[opal kayak]

Speaking of mountains, 6.8 Western would be great for that purpose. People use it mostly for ibex

[viral chasm]

Honestly yeah a place themed in the Wasatch mountains would be awesome

[low adder]

Definitely mule deer

[subtle osprey]

Diamond Shiras Moose would look around this.

[blissful mulch]

If we get two great ones I’d like this other wise meh

[subtle osprey]

@stoic minnow

[stoic minnow]

Looks sick

[blissful mulch]

Make the overlay now

[subtle osprey]

what overlay?

[little glen]

No more North American maps (except for an Arctic map - that's sufficiently different and interesting)

[opal kayak]

The smoke pole hunting on this map would be great!

I would like it if the whole map had dynamic weather, The Red Rocks look arguably better covered in snow😂

[subtle osprey]

They look sweet in the snow

[opal kayak]

Another thought, maybe more high alpine creeks and rivers, displaying the full beauty Utah is famous for? The lack of rivers and small streams on SRP felt weird.

Also birbs!

(Pictured above is a tundra swan, stunning birds)

[marsh holly]

I agree

[subtle osprey]

yeah i can add some rivers, and what birds are they? so i can copy paste it 😂

[opal kayak]

Greater Sage Grouse

Tundra Swan

Sandhill Crane

[subtle osprey]

Thanks!

[opal kayak]

No problem!

[subtle osprey]

New Map for Red Rock Reserve with more rivers / creeks via @opal kayak advice

[grave sparrow]

As far as Rocky Mountain hunting goes, SRP just doesn’t represent the west right. This would be better in my opinion

[opal kayak]

Agreed.

[vernal tendon]

you got cooked

[little glen]

Nope. I stand on my opinion as do many others

[stark hull]

I personally believe that while we need to take an extended break from both the USA and Europe, I think Canada could use one or 2 maps and Mexico could use at least one more map in the southern parts. Edit: I should mention that I am not against future reserves set in the USA and Europe, just that we need a break from them, I am for one interested in reserves set in Hawaii, Florida and the Balkans

[little glen]

I agree on the USA and Europe for sure. Canada could use an Arctic map. Can't speak on Mexico, prefer elsewhere probably

[subtle osprey]

I dont like you

[subtle osprey]

Yeah SRP is good, but not what hunting in the rockies is like.

[little glen]

Cool? That's your problem

[subtle osprey]

I know theres a lot of US maps, but i live here and have always wanted a map like it

[little glen]

Well I'm NZ and Te Awaroa doesn't do all the hunting in NZ justice but I'd still like maps that are more interesting and different

[languid lake]

only bird it got was turkeys when it's situated on the central flyway

[graceful snow]

Kinda tired of US maps, mostly playing to go places I'll never be able to after animals I'll never be able to hunt.

That said, I'd be pretty happy with this one actually. It has a lot of elements that would feel different from other maps and the way maps are being made now it would be miles away from SRP's feeling of just being a shooting range

[stark hull]

Yeah Silver Ridge does feel like a shooting range a bit

[graceful snow]

The ground is super open lots of hills for better sight lines, large herds drinking out in the open, and you can drop plains bison with the .30-06 or .308 both of which we had semi-auto rifles for, now the .300 too.

It feels like SRP was "here you can money grind all you want, so shut up" more than "we put a lot of effort into a map that will feel good to replay even after a few months"

[unique cloud]

Agreed. I love the state of Utah as well as the various biomes N-E-S-W.

[unique cloud]

Agreed. I love the selection, but the reserve layout doesn't do the area justice. Utah however is a unique state layout of biomes all 4 directions with popular Midwest game including wolves & bears in some parts.

[ancient ivy]

bobcats are class 2

[subtle osprey]

thank you

[unique cloud]

Looking back this would be a great edition.

[subtle osprey]

50 likes soon?

[subtle osprey]

Some pictures of what the landscape would be like. The northern peaks would have snow and snow would fall. In the southern part there would be no snow, but beautiful red rock.

[subtle osprey]

70 soon?

[languid lake]

fingers crossed!

lots of posts seem to be gaining more traction recently, so we can hope!

[vocal granite]

The should also add doves in rancho

[pliant crater]

i think a mountain goat rework and bighorn rework where they spawn on steeper mountain would be sick

[subtle osprey]

I fully agree, also made a post about thathttps://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1177764786566594581 lol

[subtle osprey]

Bump for 100

[subtle osprey]

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[unique cloud]

I'd rather hunt here than Rancho due to the diversity in terrain. Ever since I moved here it hasn't been short of ventures.

But I will add 1 upland bird that is delicious and fun to hunt here "Chuckers"

[subtle osprey]

Oh yeah, forgot about those

[subtle grove]

7 more, Bring on some Elk

[subtle osprey]

Woah! Almost 100! Let's get there before 2025!

[subtle osprey]

Bump for 100

[subtle osprey]

1 More!!!!

I think the Pheasant deserve more love, in-game they look alright, but IRL they can be beautiful, as well as per level the size of their tail is either bigger or smaller. For a level 1 the tail would be about the size of the body. A level 3 would have a big tail, and the Great Ones would get an even bigger tail.

[subtle osprey]

100!!! LET'S GO!

[subtle grove]

Congrats on 💯! The biomes would be amazing on this. Nice species list as well.

[subtle osprey]

I think it would be amazing! True mountain hunting unlike SRP, and imo the perfect western species list

[stray sinew]

It's kinda like 'silver ridge peaks'

[subtle osprey]

BUMP

[queen depot]

Beautiful

[opal kayak]

SRP is a terrible representation of the Rockies.

[unique cloud]

100% agree there

[subtle osprey]

Way too green, not that mountainous, and while there are open areas it's not like a sagebrush field, which is what I would want so bad

[opal kayak]

I’ll give credit where credit is due, EW was in a time crunch during that period of time. Lockdown right around the corner n’ all

[stray sinew]

Release date?

[unique cloud]

Hope its soon; I know ppl are tired of US reserves but we defn. Need our Midwest reserve bc SRP didn't do it justice.

[vale silo]

As someone who lives in the Midwest, I think Utah is better described as being a part of the Mountain West (where the Rockies and their adjacent mountain ranges are found) rather than the Midwest. The Midwest is more commonly used to describe states like Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and the Dakotas, which are closer to the geographic center of the U.S. and all have pretty similar terrain (lots of flat areas and farmlands). Utah has very different terrain (mountains, deserts, canyons, etc.) from most of the Midwest.

[unique cloud]

I live here now & used to live in Nebraska all the above including Wyoming is classified & referred to as the Midwest. Though you're not wrong we do have a nice assortment of terrain from plains, desert, mountains, forestry etc. its rather nice here. Nebraska is really nice towards the North Western parts. Iowa not much to speak of outside of fields. Dakotas are well known for their pheasants. Never hunted Wisconsin so I can't comment. Wyoming true sage plains with its own unique way of huntin.

[unique cloud]

Though the 1 thing I do miss from Nebraska was over the counter deer tags. Here you have to draw for a deer tag, but we can get Elk Tags easy enough.

[vale silo]

This map shows what states are considered to be part of the Midwestern United States (in red), according to the United States Census Bureau. The farthest western states in it are the Dakotas and Nebraska. Now, other sources might have more extensive definitions of the Midwest that include other states, but in terms of how the Midwest is classified on a federal level, this map is accurate.

[unique cloud]

Eh tomato tomoto still midwest 🤣

[vale silo]

I don't doubt that there might be organizations that classify Utah or Wyoming as part of the Midwest, but on an federal level those are classified differently

That's what I was referring to, although I agree that it generally has a very loose definition

[unique cloud]

when I lived in NE we called ourselves Mid Mid-westerners here we say Midwestern but it is funny

[vale silo]

yeah it's sort of an arbitrary line that the census bureau designates, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere I guess

[unique cloud]

Border wise yea its techniquely western but locally further west we call western & south southern

[vale silo]

This map shows what states are part of the Mountain States, which include Wyoming and Utah. Arizona and New Mexico are shown as striped because different sources have different classifications of what region they belong to.

also all of these maps are from Wikipedia, there might be other maps online that show these regions differently. Geography of the U.S. is very complicated and there's no perfect way to group different states together. Look at 10 different regional maps of the U.S. and you might get 10 different definitions of each region.

[unique cloud]

time zone wise yea Mountain & across those borders Central but even by the mapping here & the previous they say northern not midwest or western. Its pretty interesting when you pick up the local perspectives no matter where you go.

[vale silo]

time zones are a whole other can of worms, they are really arbitrary, and they don't really map the country into different regions in any way that really makes much sense.

[unique cloud]

Think thats bad I believe it was Arizona if I recall doesn't have daylight savings they keep the same time year round.

[vale silo]

personally I just follow the regional definitions that the Census Bureau comes up with just because it's about as much of an official source as we have

[languid lake]

To my understanding the Mountain West is more or less all the states that contain some range or portion of the Rocky Mountains themselves, which is why the Dakotas, Nebraska, Oregon, Washington, and California are excluded because they either have no mountain ranges or have ranges that are separate formations from the main Rockies.

[unique cloud]

I get where your coming from. We always just refer ourselves locally over federal 90% of the time

[vale silo]

that makes sense to me. I figured that it probably had something to do with that.

[unique cloud]

like I said when I lived NE we always called ourselves Mid Midwesterners while in these parts we call ourselves Midwesterners. Though this varies from place to place when you talk to the locals no matter where you end up state wise.

Definitely full of culture I'll tell ya that much.

[vale silo]

yeah people in the government have a tendency to just draw lines on a map to shape the territorial boundaries of a place, without caring about what the people living there have to say about it. They kind of have a history of doing that lol

[unique cloud]

Its funny it reminds me of the joke we had that the river seperated us for a reason we were Braskans & they were Iowegans 🤣 Carter Lake is just an Iowegan province that staked a flag on Braskan soil as an attempt to invade but instead wound up being taxed.

yea we had alot of back n forth between Nebraska & Iowa

Only reason I never really hunted in Iowa was bc its a shotgun state except a handful of units.

[languid lake]

Colorado's interesting for shotgun hunting. They extended the lead shot ban to include all buckshot for big game but you're allowed to go out with a shotgun with slugs during rifle season and I believe also muzzleloader for all big game.

[unique cloud]

odd when I hunted there it was all copper only (rifle wise) I'm surprised they lifted lead

[languid lake]

Very strange, 2024's big game brochure doesn't specify lead-free ammunition for slugs, just says slugs in general with a minimum bore of 20GA for large game.

Regulations changed maybe?

[unique cloud]

most likely then again I noticed it everywhere including PCP's & Spear hunting.

[unique cloud]

very true, though our Gov't here is ran by the Mormans as this is there holy land. Good folk though for the most part but some of the law restrictions are rather harsh. But on the upside I'm allowed to carry w/o a permit & I believe its legal to hunt suppressed now as well. Come to think of it I think nearly all the states do now with the exception of a few if I reckon rightly?!

yea according to google search 41 states allow it.

[languid lake]

Including Colorado, which allows it for pests and all game animals that can be hunted with suppressable weapons.

[unique cloud]

Been thinkin about it for awhile but I'm leaning more towards an SBR over getting a suppresser. But to be fair we have alot of dealers here for suppressers.

[languid lake]

a high local supply of the funny muffling tubes lol

[unique cloud]

🤣 yea one of the benefits living in a pro firearm state. Its really nice especially the sports & hunting oppertunity. I just wish they would allow locals over the counter deer tags we have so damn many of them. When I was working construction they were everywhere in 10-20+ head herds its wild to me they're draw game here.

Hell just last year they sent out wanted flyers for skunk, coons, fox, & coyotes bc they were so bad

[languid lake]

CO only has draw for mule deer for some reason when we have more than 400k mature deer in the state lmao

[unique cloud]

Thats what I was saying here. Nebraska we had no issue hunting Mule or Whitetails. Here there like Gold, then again Elk is the easist here while NE 1 Bull life time, Cow every 5 yrs.

[languid lake]

Oddly enough on top of that we only have 14k whitetail in CO but we have OTC for them.

It makes no sense.

[unique cloud]

I havn't looked here yet on whitetails other than we have them here as well. That reminds me I have to look at the new years GP to see if there's any changes.

Its only been 7yrs since I've been able to hunt no big deal 😅 yea after the kids I had to switch gears but hopefully in the next few yrs they'll be mature enough to go.

[twilit saffron]

If you gonna do Utah I'd do more new furbearers and birds this could be the American upland Paradise with the great salt lake Beeing known for high waterfowl populations as well

If there gonna do the rockys do the one win British Columbia, gives potential for more species and more diversity and would be generally better, and believe me they'll never hit it like you want I don't think revontuli is a perfect fennoscandia and I would love more maps in that region but it's fine that it's not always perfectly your home there is so much different stuff with more priority and more new species and more potential that'll fetten better taken by the community

[twilit saffron]

Isn't the Cristian holy land in well in the holy of land of Israel (may they be blessed 🕊️🇮🇱) so I don't get why Utah should be there holy land considering it only really got explored in the last cupple hundreds of years. Also isn't the usa run without religion? Wasn't their a whole thing about that?

[unique cloud]

So from what I gather the story goes when the mormans were pioneers in America they were plagued with Morman Crickets when they were saved by seagulls eating the crickets hence why they are worshiped here & essentially settled here. Ever since Utah has been the Morman state and considered Holy. And to answer your ? the US as a nation isn't ran by Religion. But every state governs themself independently just as they have since the colonies. The only difference is the country is united under a single banner with federal law, then State, City, etc. etc. Theres a reason Utah is known as the Morman state & the church has a strong influence in its gov't structure. However the state isn't oppressed by any means but rather very open to multiple cultures including witches if you can believe it. As for Religion in its entirety I wont debate or discuss it further as it is irrelevant.

[twilit saffron]

Fair, didn't know that, having seagulls as a holy animal is kinda funny tbh I don't no much about Mormons besides that they make a lot of kids and can't have noughtys unless they wanna make kids as a marked cupple

[unique cloud]

Wyoming would be better for that esp for a gated or a privately owned hunt club as Huxley explained awhile back. They are notorious for upland birds as well as thier assorted furbearers over Utah.

[twilit saffron]

I mean theirs the Idaho nine and they won't make like 5 maps in that region so why not have em all on one if their native? You need to think more general

[unique cloud]

LDS are pologimists and legal to have multiple wives etc. But yea they are strange in alot of ways but rather good folks as a whole with loads of culture within the communities and rather pretty supportive to thier citizens.

[unique cloud]

I have which is why I made my Wyoming thread as an upland & furbearer dedicated based not only on local but introduced upland birds that thrive in those habitats from surrounding states. Wyoming is also well known for its population breeding/release efforts across the nation in general. Idaho I wouldn't mind being its own either.

[twilit saffron]

Why would you breed and release the birds at that point just slaughter them, seems like a waste of resources yk

[unique cloud]

bc states go through many hardships that decimate populations so Wyoming with their programs help with these efforts. NE years ago took a huge hit on quail & pheasants due to some really bad winters & drought plus turkey populations blew up as well as coyotes. So birds were released to help in population efforts.

[twilit saffron]

Oh like reintroducing species

[unique cloud]

This includes Sage Grouse & Prairie chickens that were on the verge of being endangered and is now heavily regulated. This is due to of course man & the sage sea is also taking an ecological dive as well.

[unique cloud]

Exactly but not only are the birds reintroduced they are also bought by homesteaders (like myself) as well as Game & Park gated youth communities and Pvt Clubs alike. Not to mention dog training essentials like feathered decoys, wings, blood, etc.

Wyoming is the largest with the most species given their geography but other states also have these programs as well.

[subtle osprey]

Yeah no I don't like birds that much, also where the map is situated in my mind there aren't many waterfowl birds

[unique cloud]

To be honest ever since I moved here Idk anywhere but in the higher elevations for waterfowl? & given our salt content in our waters i dont even think they would taste all that great. Maybe the state made lakes are safer 😅

[subtle osprey]

🤷‍♂️

[unique cloud]

But no bird wise upland is the way to go aside from cranes but Wyoming has us beat there with nearly every mid western & western bird species with their program. But I will admit it is hilarious to see a * * * * ton of california quail living in the residential areas across all the cities.

[twilit saffron]

So you wanna tell me that you want a map thats the American west and mainly made up of Mountains with basically no new species probably just because you like this specific area irl even though we have two called silver ridge peaks and Layton lake district???

[unique cloud]

The area hes talking about as well as the biomes have minimal waterfowl present. Its a prime area for the species he mentioned. Given EW magic tieing the 4 key biomes like they did with SP it would be a pretty fun reserve to play though I'd request the reserve to be Mississippi sized over SP sized.

[twilit saffron]

Im talking mostly upland birds which would be the only thing making this special to the international community

[subtle osprey]

I don't know I just don't know birds that well here tbh and I added some new upland birds but idk what else you want I guess

There. I added some more birds

[unique cloud]

The only 1 listed I'd question is the swan but the cranes are everywhere esp on the state lakes except the salt lake bc everything dies in it due to the high salt density. Its horrible when fish get into it from the rivers feeding it.

[twilit saffron]

Yeah with those birds it would be okay not really a waterfowl area so mallard wouldn't really fit if your gonna do a duck I'd do something like a greater scaup

[unique cloud]

wth are they called sandcrills?......damn bk in NE we called them snipes. There kinda like woodcocks but I cant remember what their actually called but they are also game and nearly everywhere wheres theirs sand & water. I'll come back with what they are.

[subtle osprey]

Sandhill Cranes? Or something else

[unique cloud]

no its a small sand bird they always run on the sand and the shriek n pretend to be wounded then run away to stir you from their nests n for the life of me I cant recall what there called.

I'm an idiot 🤣 they are called Snipes

These are another waterfowl option and I know these are everywhere here & eat well. We usee to slaughter these guys in NE & one of my co-workers was talkin about them a few yrs bk. He also introduced me to Chukers and let me tell yea aside from crane these guys are bomb on the pallet.

[subtle osprey]

Whenever I'm hunting on the Nebo unit we always see a grouse of some kind. I always want to shoot one 😂

[twilit saffron]

Snipes do live in areas of sand and water

[unique cloud]

yea I had an uh moment 😅 but yea their hilarious bc if your close to a nest they run out a pretend to be hurt then when get so close they get up n do it again. Once your far enough they dip in the sage bk to their nest.

But those are another option given the location & honestly, they're everywhere here.

Grouse & ptarmigan wise were rather close to what wyoming has though if I recall wyoming has slightly more grouse & quail then we do in the wilds.

but Wyomings famous birds is the Sage Grouse & Prairie Chickens.

But yea Partridge, Ptarmigan, Quail, Grouse, Doves, Turkey, & Pheasants is pretty much your upland bird line up. Waterfowl wise Mallards, Canadian Geese, Tundra Swan, Snipes, & Cranes generally 🫤

Furbearer Species: Though I believe some are strictly regulated in some areas.
Bobcat, Beaver, Badger, Coyote, Gray fox, Kit fox, Marten, Mink, Muskrat, Raccoon, Red fox, Ringtail, Spotted skunk, Striped skunk, Weasel

If I recall one of the skunks is, Kit Fox I'm not sure on either?!

[stoic minnow]

Wisconsin would be better as a map for theAngler. They have good fishing but they have almost no new species outside of a few species of Furbearer, Waterfowl and Upland Game (all of which could be added to in game maps). Same goes for Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, etc.

[twilit saffron]

Nebraska is like the most irrelevant state most people on my continent don't even believe/know that it's exist, I know no one from there and I don't know how it looks there it's the most irrelevant state period lol

[stoic minnow]

Nebraska is the exact same as every other Great Plains State (except the Dakotas, they’re pretty interesting) if you take out the western 1/3 of the state. The western 1/3 is much more closely associated with the Rockies than the Plains.

It’s a much hillier and more forested place (although that forest is manmade) with Elk, Bison, Mule Deer, Cougars, and the occasional vagrant Black Bear.

[languid lake]

It becomes highly relevant if you like hunting waterfowl though, since its smack dab in the highest traffic portion of the central flyway and hosts the majority of the best eating waterfowl like white-fronted geese, canvasback ducks, and sandhill cranes.

Plus it also has really good whitetail and mule deer country and has a lot of great fishing opportunities. There's also a lot of opportunity for furbearers like raccoon, skunk, coyote, and fox. It's really mainly a sportman's state.

[unique cloud]

Thats Iowa NE is prime imho is by the niabria river and North Western part of the state. Outside of that its alot of field, hills, & plains with some forestry. I wouldn't be offended if it doesn't get mentioned in the game esp. since I'm from there 🤣

[unique cloud]

Alot of that are game farms as well.

[stoic minnow]

I’d rather have a Dakotas map for Waterfowl Hunting. When I think Great Plains Waterfowl Hunting, I think South Dakota. It straddles the Central and Mississippi Flyways, and the cornfields tend to flood a lot in the Spring.

Makes for a wonderful place to hunt Mallards, Wigeon, Teal, Pintail, Redhead, Canvasback, Coots, and Mergansers.

[unique cloud]

thought Minnesota had that title for waterfowl?

[languid lake]

This is also true, it's great waterfowl country.

Colorado is peak for upland game though, and I will die on that hill.

[opal kayak]

Idaho 9…

[stoic minnow]

Minnesota is great for Grouse and Small Game, maybe Wolves too if they ever open a season for them. Waterfowl hunting is really good there, but the Dakotas have more that go through there every year.

[languid lake]

Oh yeah the Idaho 9.

I think the only bird in that list you can't hunt in CO is California quail

[unique cloud]

I guess it would looking at it and I wouldn't be offended if they did an sp map dedicated to both upland & waterfowl. Though I still believe Wyoming is top tier on upland aside from pheasant. The Dakotas have that title.

[stoic minnow]

I’d say Colorado is the Big Game Capitol of the Lower 48. They have the best hunting for Elk, Bighorn, Black Bear, and Mountain Goats outside of Alaska. Their Mountain Lion hunting is great as well.

I’m probably biased but I’ll always say Idaho is the Upland Game Capitol. I’ve never seen a place with more Chukar, California Quail, Spruce Grouse, or Ruffed Grouse.

The Dakotas have us down when it comes to Pheasants, Europe has us beat with Hungarian Partridge, Canada has us beat with Sharp-Tailed Grouse, and Alaska is the undisputed Blue Grouse Capitol.

[unique cloud]

Its a fair point, bottom line it comes down to what you prefer with options. I havn't had the luxury to hunt in Idaho yet.....still in the works with my in-laws though I'm sad the Moose hunt didnt fall through. Their last property was full of them.

[stoic minnow]

There’s tons of moose here, I see them all the time when driving around Craters of the Moon National Monument and all around the Tetons.

As I said, I’m probably just biased, but I think a Salzweisen Style map would work great for Idaho. Bring in the Idaho 9 along with maybe Coyotes, Bobcats, American Badgers, White-Tailed Jackrabbits, and Snowshoe Hares.

[languid lake]

Very true, I'll happily take the title of Big Game Capitol of the Lower 48 for my home state lol. I still think we've got a pretty solid claim to being at least a heavyweight for uplands given that we have at least 14 huntable upland birds in the state, including 3 species of quail as well as prairie chickens, chukar, sage grouse, dusky grouse (formerly blues), and mtn sharptails.

-# also don't forget the mule deer.

[unique cloud]

We've been there alot with the kids last year

[stoic minnow]

Yeah I forgot about the Mulies lol. Never have I been to a place with bigger and more numerous bucks than Colorado.

I will say, when it comes to things like Scaled Quail, Prairie Chickens, and Plains Bobwhite hunting, Colorado has no competition.

[unique cloud]

Utah's Mule deer are rather large as well head wise but thinner unless your in the mountains were swarmed with them as well

[languid lake]

The pheasant are getting more numerous now too, the season East of I25 runs from November 9 to January 31 this year. Roosters only but it's a daily bag limit of 3 with a possession of 9. Got raised from 2/6 a couple years ago iirc.

[stoic minnow]

Basically every western state has Idaho beat when it comes to Mulies, with the exception of maybe Washington and Oregon. Our Mulie population has dropped dramatically recently.

[languid lake]

To my understanding it's because of the dense mountain forest coming back after the collapse of the Western timber industry in the 80s and 90s. The saplings that sprouted up in those first five years are reach mature size now and the underbrush is getting thick enough that it's turning back into whitetail country. I guess the thicker vegetation with more trees makes it more difficult for mulies to stott but gives whitetail obstacles to bound around.

Edit: Plus also a couple of harsh winters with tons of snow. Western wyoming lost 80% of its herds and I think 92% of its overall mule deer in the 23/24 winter. The east got hit pretty hard too, lots of pronghorn snowed out.

[unique cloud]

eh idk Wyoming in my opinion has both the Sage & Prairie title from what I've seen but quail wise yea they have alot. Utah specifically has legions of californian quail its wild

[unique cloud]

yea NE & IA I believe both took a hit as well esp. On the bird population from what my family mentioned.

[languid lake]

Colorado lost so many pronghorn on the front range that they didn't release any doe tags for pronghorn last year, and I think they plan to only do limited on does this year.

[unique cloud]

But overall I think Utah, Wyoming, Dakotas, Idaho deserve a reserve & CO & NM need a fresh perspective bc SRP was great Game wise but map design was very unpleasing.

[unique cloud]

Yea if I recall it was here or wyoming some idiots wiped out several herds as target practice it was a huge loss as well.

[languid lake]

Happened in both CO and WY last year I believe, another pair of massacres in a string of target practice kills in the two states.

The running theory is a mixture of delinquent teens or corrupt stockmen and land developers who don't want to have to pay fines for animal injury due to having the bottom wire of their fences too low for the antelope to crawl under just killing them wholesale.

For context the ranchers we have out here in CO are responsible for a lot of environmental damage and wildlife death due to their apparent inability to properly care for their cattle.

Illegal winter ranging of cattle and sheep that were poorly cared for and had numerous sick individuals has now transmitted brucellosis, blue tongue, and foot & mouth into the elk, mule deer, bighorn, and mtn goat on the Western slope as well as worsened CWD in many units by reducing the amount of land deer can access for food and thus forcing them closer together.

[unique cloud]

As far as this reserve concept given the focus Swans should be replaced with Snipes or another Upland we dont have yet. Realistically I'd give Wyoming the Sage Grouse. Though kit fox or another furbearer would be good as a replacement. Cranes are everywhere here as well so no issue there.

[unique cloud]

yea it was a tragedy

kit fox would actually be way better as a class 1 predator as well

[subtle osprey]

Also depends on the age and certain units, some do have pretty big heads though, my dad does taxidermy and has to change the heads a lot

[unique cloud]

yea I noticed changes in the herds these last 4yrs it varies alot on the location & how good or bad our seasons have been.

Last year was bad for some reason. Seen alot of zombie deer

[subtle osprey]

They really need to make it so only youth can harvest a spike to a 2 by 2 or 3 by 3. Would be so much better, I also saw the tiniest buck this year. It had one tiny like triangle antler, but it's body was big.

[languid lake]

Imagine being a fork buck and weighing like 350lbs lmao, that's so absurd

[subtle osprey]

It was so weird. It also had large, uh, genitals for the size of the antlers which was crazy

[languid lake]

Wonder if his pedicals got damaged or something

[unique cloud]

I see that often it comes down to their diet. This was very common in our whitetails & mule deer in NE. Huge body little antlers and basket racks. Had a buck that was 6yrs old n he had 2 eye guards and nothing else. 1ft in length maybe 1/2in diameter mass. But he was sittin around 180lbs undressed.

[subtle osprey]

Could've been, it was getting dark, but only had one tiny antler

[unique cloud]

He was the smallest head wise. But where we were huntin it was unusual given every other buck there were monsters. Still wont forget the 20ptr mule deer literally 10yds from us the day b4 opening day oh it killed me.

I'll admit though that location was prime whitetail & mule deer country, then again its also the same place I nearly became lunch to a mtn lion.

@subtle osprey but yea overall the listing is really good. But I'm unsure how to tie in the waterfowl given the location except snipes & cranes that are everywhere here. Did you have a specific area in mind or was it generalized?

[subtle osprey]

It was just a generalized area, but the map I drew doesn't have a lot of water. I was thinking the upper region has Spruce, Quakies, and Ponderosa, kinda like the Uintas or like the Nebo area. The middle is like beginning red rock, kinda like Joes Valley area or desert, with lots of sagebrush but not quite Zions. Then the bottom is red rock, choyo, juniper, and resembles Zions or Snow Canyon area

[unique cloud]

ok probably could tie in the waterfowl in the north with a mountain pond or lake. When I was working in Parly's there were tons of ducks an geese up there ironicly this time of year when we put the sound walls up.

[subtle osprey]

What I was thinking for Northern Area

Middle Area, or part of the middle area

[unique cloud]

that will work. I hardly see any waterfowl where I am unless there in my creek but more often than not I see them in the higher elevations. With the exception of the park lakes

[subtle osprey]

Southern Area, inspo from Zions and other southern areas

[unique cloud]

yea moab is usually the 1st place that comes to mind thinking about the southern part

[subtle osprey]

#1271232208937680968 message For some more images

[unique cloud]

St. George is hell on earth

[subtle osprey]

Map for Red Rock Reserve

[subtle osprey]

So damn hot in the summer, idek how people can tolerate that heat.

[unique cloud]

was there for a mo it was miserable. Sware you could cook anything on the pavement it was so hot. I felt worse for our operator with only a fan with no ac he was cookin.

[unique cloud]

The waterways look right esp if they're marshy so it could work overall, although I'd consider adding some creeks unless I missed them?

[subtle osprey]

They're pretty small, I might fix them

[unique cloud]

ok I wasn't sure of the map scale size if its meant to be like SP, Mississippi, or Large scale.

[subtle osprey]

I thought all the maps besides Salz were the same size?

[unique cloud]

they might be but Mississippi feels like a medium sized map over like Layton Lakes & Savanna

[subtle osprey]

prolly cause half of its a river, also rev seems bigger in a sense, or when I open the map it takes a second to load

[unique cloud]

It probably is its just deceptive given the terrain & flora like you mentioned.

[subtle osprey]

i meant opening the map to like fast travel, not getting onto the map

[unique cloud]

I got what you meant, I was just having an after thought that due to the terrain & elevation changes or in Mississippi's case the river just makes the map size deceptive.

[subtle osprey]

Some maps are deceptive. Like Yukon feels massive when you're in it, especially the river section

[unique cloud]

I need to go back to Yukon again. Since we got the 375 I can sim an Alaskan Hunt again. Did a playthrough with only the Hudzik. Just wish we had a Davi Crocket outfit n I'm golden.

[opal kayak]

I think vurhonga, Te Awaroa, and Mississippi feels tiny. While it is on brand for Mississippi as it should give the impression that it is super dense as hunting in the south is.

[unique cloud]

the northern & southern parts are fairly dense as for the central sage sits like maybe shin high give or take. Tumble grass is thigh high in alot of areas. But this will vary on what part of the valley your in

[sterile bison]

As a midwesterner this is 100% the only option

[opal kayak]

I consider bits and pieces of WV and Pennsylvania the Midwest as a Midwesterner.

[unique cloud]

Local over federal all day every day 🤝 but it doesn't really matter bc no matter where you go the locals have there perspective over borders on regional sense. State wise folks are a bit more vocal. Depending on what part even cities/town are more so.

[unique cloud]

I figured I'd go back to review the thread & I forgot you mentioned this. I full heartedly agree & this should get introduced as a 3-8 given its rated for Pronghorn-Moose.

[sterile bison]

Doesn't make sense to me tbh, WV is just mountain. Pennsylvania maybe, but not really. If your state isn't atleast 60% farmland ur not midwest.

[opal kayak]

Northern WV is definitely farmland big dawg, same with southern PA

[sterile bison]

No really, but the area is also too far east tbh. If your state has the appalachians or is east of it, then it is not Midwestern.

[opal kayak]

You are drawing lines on a topic that you cannot draw lines on. Regions are based on culture and culturally. Southern PA and NW West Virginia are midwestern.

[vale silo]

there's also some parts of eastern Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado that are very similar in terms of landscape and culture to the Dakotas, Nebraska and Kansas, so by that same logic, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado are part of the Midwest. And since a lot of the people in Canada have similar accents to people in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and the U.P. of Michigan, we might as well refer to Canada as part of the Midwest too. And part of Upstate New York borders Lake Erie, just like Ohio does, so that part of Upstate New York must be part of the Midwest too. As you can see, if we keep broadening the definition of the Midwest based on similar characteristics like this, eventually all of North America will become part of the Midwest. We might as well rename the whole continent to The Great Midwestern Empire at that point.

My point is, the Midwestern states are just a loose collection of states that are classified as being in the same general region of the United States. They may have a lot of the same characteristics (farmlands, large amount of flat land, etc.) but obviously there are exceptions to that within the region. Since there is no simple way to arbitrate the borders, it's easiest to just use the definition that the Census Bureau uses, because its definition is the most commonly accepted one. I personally think that the best approach to geography is the K.I.S.S. method: Keep It Simple, Stupid. (not trying to insult anyone here, it's just what the acronym stands for)

[unique cloud]

I was meaning to ask how did you design the reserve map concept? I've been trying to find a tool to make 1 for my reserve as a visual but had no luck. Might be silly to ask but I am curious.

[subtle osprey]

I use procreate and my imagination

[unique cloud]

that helps I tried to but I had issues trying to get the elevation grids to work with a translucent overlay and they kept blending. Its one thing to hand draw it but another to do it on pc 😓

[subtle osprey]

yeah an iPad is worth it

[unique cloud]

yea I never was good with modern tech as nearly everything I do is ole fashioned or traditional as some put it. I dont even have a smartphone let alone a laptop. My tv & xbox is about as tech advanced I have 😅 Even my pc is a $200 Lenovo office tower to pay bills & record keeping so yea not all that advanced.

But thanks all the same I'll bare it in mind.

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[jade ingot]

How do you create a model like that

[subtle osprey]

I use Procreate and my imagination

[jade ingot]

Thanks cause I tried to make one for a new African map and I just got a blank screen and drew over it

[subtle osprey]

I can make one for you!

[jade ingot]

you sure?

[subtle osprey]

yup, i draw a lot for mr schrader and ayoliam all the time

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[opal kayak]

Modern Timbergold Trails

[subtle osprey]

Yup, really pretty scenery

[unique cloud]

If EW released all 29 species I would be impressed. I capped at 20 given Rev has 19 😅

[subtle osprey]

People kept asking for more birds and weren't satisfied until I added all of them. I'm gonna make a realistic list soon

A realistic species list, even amount of large and small game

Plains Bison - Small Population
Shiras Moose - Small Population
Black Bear
Mule Deer
Rocky Mt Bighorn
Desert Bighorn
Mt Lion
Mt Goat
Pronghorn
Bobcat
Coyote
Kit Fox
California Quail
Ring-Necked Pheasant
Greater Sage Grouse
Ruffed Grouse
White-Tailed Ptarmagin
Chukar
Sandhill Crane
Tundra Swan

[subtle grove]

Nice list. This map would provide biomes visually not in the game also. As someone who has been to Utah i can confirm it has some beautiful areas. New Species as well!

[unique cloud]

Being a resident myself I can confirm it as well. N, E, W, or S you enter different ecology. Never a boring trip here depending on your interest. Just dont expect to find a bar or hard drinks unless you go to a brewery or a state liquor store & even then 😅 At that point cross the border.

[subtle grove]

Definitely plan on coming back for a visit one day. Those 5 national parks are on my bucket list to visit.

[unique cloud]

yea we havn't traveled in awhile with the kids. Last trip was Craters of the Moon in Idaho since the in-laws built their new home out there. Tried to buy 40acres out there for 275k but got beat to the punch 😅 It was worth every penny if we did. Fishing pond with a yearly flowing creek feeding it, silo, feeder, power, water rights, fruit trees, near a school for the kids, 2 neighboring farms. Close to the interstate it would've been great.

[subtle osprey]

I remember like a 60 year old guy getting ID'd, I cant drink but it was hilarious

[subtle osprey]

Yup! Even though it's mostly birds I still think this map would have a lot of variety.

[unique cloud]

I get Id'd alot even if I'm a regular getting tobacco or drinks. They are strict here.

[unique cloud]

Terrain aside even the condensed list is fair for what you're going for here. I was going to add Kit Fox to my reserve but they are heavily protected in Wyoming.

[subtle osprey]

Thanks, I think it would be the perfect amount of species. I wouldn't mind if this was a Montana or another western state as long as it had these species together and a Great One Mule Deer.

[unique cloud]

Yea I stuck to Wyoming's history & origins for my concept. But I agree 2 western US locations would defn. make up for SRP & our species. But its fair to include a Southern location.

[subtle osprey]

Definitely, another North America map in the south, like New Mexico or Arizona. But I think Utah would be the perfect mix of northern mountains and alpine hunting, but also southern red rock like Zions or St. George area. I would love Choyo and small cactus and all the little yellow grass. Screams perfect Mule Deer habitat to me.

[unique cloud]

I hate St. George it sucked working there 100+ degrees installing sound wall. It was miserable. - Sadly EW already attempted CO & NM with SRP and anyone cant argue otherwise. It was a poor representation but again 2020 was a rough year.

[subtle osprey]

200 Soon?

[subtle grove]

Was you hoping to see all 4 biomes implemented on this map?

[subtle osprey]

Kinda, I'd like Mountains on the north, and going through the east, and then transitioning to lower mountains and hills with quakie/aspen trees with bright yellow leaves, and then into the sagebrush fields and then to the red rock area, and the red and orange would be mixed in the hills and mountains. But most of it would be in canyons and formations in the south.

[subtle grove]

Nice! That would be a great layout. This map has some great biomes to choose from. People should really research these biomes. It could be a beautiful map.

Can't go wrong with a Mule Deer G1 and Elk G1 either.

[vale silo]

this map has a lot of great potential. Desert in the south, snowy mountains in the north, and transitional biomes in between. Lots of great possibilities there.

especially with a rework to Bighorn Sheep and Mule Deer, this would be a really great map

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[visual berry]

its a pipe dream but i would love to see a subregion inspired by the salt lake marshlands, great for waterbirds, maaybe tundra swan.. wink wink nudge nudge

[subtle osprey]

So happy the Mule Deer got new racks! Would love some new common furs as well and more antler colors

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hey we cant bump posts anymore https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1409912078914818049

[visual berry]

oh that's my bad, haven't been in here in months. thanks for letting me know :p

[grim elm]

As far as i know the Balkans are in Europe

[stark hull]

Nooo really 🤣 . Sorry for the sarcasm but I am well aware that the Balkans are a part of Europe, it just happens to be the part of Europe where you can hunt Axis Deer in one country (Croatia) or Himalayan Tah in another country (North Macedonia and Bulgaria as far as I know) alongside some more traditional European Game