Africa 2.0 (realistic)

[daring glacier]

Finally a reasonable post without Elephants & Rhinos🙏 Thank you. But I'll add 1 to your list Hyenas ( class 6 ) or ( class 7)?🤔

[remote lichen]

Okay but elephants and rhinoceros can be hunted in parts of Africa legally

And in the case of Tanzania, elephants are an animal you can hunt there

[daring glacier]

We had this chat in another thread, my point in this case is they made a really good line up without following everyone elses trend.

[terse hill]

Kinda boring, needs Hippos (very legal game species) in the form of Class 10 alongside Cape Buffalo and more upland birds.

[daring glacier]

and if they did add elephants and rhinos it would break the game bc every single person would only hunt elephants to money farm and you cant tell me I'm wrong when its being done with the Crocs. The only way it would work is if they could balance it bc your talking a hit zone 3x's the average size it'll be too easy as the game is now.

[remote lichen]

To be fair yeah they made a good species lineup for the most part, though they could of also included Lesser Kudu on the list (so they can remove it from Vurhonga)

[terse hill]

Obviously they’d pay very little and have only a few small herds with like 70-80% females similar to tigers or snow leopards.

[remote lichen]

Your assuming elephants would be easy to hunt

It is very possible to make elephants one of the more difficult species to hunt in the game, weather its by making their drink zones be only at night time for like 3 in game hours or making it so they stick to the thicker brush

Or as ayoliam said, make most of the elephants female while the males are rarer

[terse hill]

Not to mention

no high capacity guns, just doubles and heavy bolt actions.

[daring glacier]

that wont happen unless the adjusted the weapon tiers as it stands.

[remote lichen]

Its why when elephants are included on a species list its given Class 10

[terse hill]

Pretty sure EW can make it work, not .300WM😂

They could also make them either very rarely go to said drinkzones (similar to IRL) or have it be very short and late at night, or both.

[daring glacier]

Eitherway he has a good listing. Hyenas and Hippos I can back. Rhinos and elephants seems like a stretch unless.......its the last content to the game.

i cant imagine the paperwork to get the tigers and snow leopards in the game let alone Rhinos &/or Elephants.

[remote lichen]

Part of me doubts there was paperwork involved

Plus if that was the case, African Elephant and the African Rhinoceros species would probably be easier

[daring glacier]

Idk not to bring irl matters into it but we have alot of culture mixed both in game as well as player base. I cant imagine they didn't pay for rights to add it in the game without conditions. I would be beyond shocked if they didn't.

as far as I know TheHunter follows alot of boundries and regional rules in there content to keep it fair worldwide. Alot of games have different versions that follow there regions content restrictions.

Think about it if it was that easy dont you think it wouldve been added sooner?

As I said before I'm uneasy having endangered/protected animals to hunt in the game personally, however it is still a game and I wont deny it doesn't intrigue me to be able to as it could be fun on this games platform. But I'd rather see Medved, Rancho, and some other reserves get patched and fixed 1st b4 more get released.

[mystic fjord]

Lions should be the first ones on your list to be remastered.

[untold coral]

It is true but it is assumed that since it is the great one they would make the remaster

[mystic fjord]

Fair enough. I would love a lion GO too.

[tropic sapphire]

Don’t see why you need to refer to this as “realistic”

EW have repeatedly said that they would be fine with doing elephants.

And with snow leopards added (of which there are far less of than rhinos) rhinos are also on the table and realistic

You don’t need to sneer the community’s wish for these additional species with your title wording

[tropic sapphire]

What makes you think this? They’re not even in the game yet. Your making up silly conspiracies about something that’s not even in the game yet

[tropic sapphire]

Your just making rubbish up at this point

[marsh basin]

It is true that it is legally possible to hunt the Bengal tiger and the snow leopard. Sorry but those who follow the rules that are in the countries is a bit wrong. because if you don't know it is strictly forbidden to hunt the Bengal tiger and the snow leopard, there are other animals that we are not allowed to hunt and which are in my game.

In the game * sorry wrong traduction

[untold coral]

What is realistic is because we do not see a near future, the fact that they add elephants, hippos or rhinos, so when I make this proposal I put it realistic because the game right now would not add such large animals. In addition, we must be aware that adding such large animals They would have to add many things and change others, for example, new trophy pavilions with new larger supports, new weapons, new class or new class system, etc. For these reasons I say that this proposal is realistic.

[remote lichen]

While there was a proposal to reopen tiger hunting in Nepal rather recently, Tigers and Snow Leopard (Alongside Barasingha, Wild Yak and Blackbuck) are illegal to hunt in Nepal, the only big cat that can be legally hunted according to Nepal's hunting laws is the Leopard (Panthera pardus).

[remote lichen]

Given the fact that they are taking more time between reserves now (If I recall correctly it is now one reserve per year), I believe that elephants and rhinos on an African Reserve is rather realistic for them to implement such large animals

[untold coral]

Honestly, to make that species and the changes that come with making them would take more than a year to do everything more or less well.

[remote lichen]

From the sounds of it, Africa 2.0 is a long ways off, they got time

[terse hill]

EW has already said they can add elephants if they really want to, meaning no lodge problems (which wasn’t really a problem in the first place because no sane person gets full body mounted elephant).

[tropic sapphire]

It’s all entirely realistic and they’ve literally said they can do all these things.

Stop trying to throw cold water on what the greater community want

[tropic sapphire]

Again a baseless statement…

[radiant moon]

You just need to have a stupidly big house…or own a Cabelas store

[daring glacier]

Its a fact and are you denying that MOST of the player base that play Emerald only play it to farm Crocs as a money farm? If they added elephants and rhinos all ppl would do is farm them n ignore the other species. Elephants are the largest land mammal on the planet and are easy to spot. With that said a head or behind the shoulder shot is easy to do with an animal this size. As of right now as the weapons stand you could easily farm them as a tier 9. 470-T9, (300win-T9, 338-T9)---> in game 300+ yds easy as it stands is the point I'm getting at. If you read more others mentioned changes could be made to fix this if it were to happen, I agree. And related to rubbish you claim game developers and titles are under law to follow Regional Content Restrictions Worldwide and are required to make changes to the game if they want to release it in their country (FACT). Also game companies have to get rights and contracts in order to release name, brand, and many other specific content if they want to use it. So before you accuse others do your homework on game development and read the room b4 you get defensive bc you clearly were not following the conversation or the point of the post. We get it you want African content like everyone else but you need to be reasonable.

[marsh basin]

Or maybe when you hunt a croc it's just super stylish that you continue to hunt. And then if there is no room for you in the lodge then why not put one or two outside. like no size concerns etc...

[daring glacier]

Idc about the trophies or any of that my point is ppl are simply killing things to get money and dont seem to care about the content otherwise is the problem I have with it. As I've stated b4 I'm not against adding maps or game for any experience as long as its reasonable. But I'm also tired of new maps being released and the existing ones are still not working. Medved was released 18' and so was Savannah. Other than a reskin and detail refinement the animal behavior is great. However animals constantly running in place or not moving or reacting at all or my personal favorite teleporting is really sad on Medved (2018), Ranco (2021) - Savannah(2018) received patches n ad reskins and runs fine and the capes arent falling through the map.

[abstract grail]

Idk about the other points but the first one, about the crocs and EC, is absolutely true.Not for nothing its "the money farm map" and people in the chats reccommend it to new players for that. Saltwater crocs are as hard to hunt as Musk and its quite dissappointing at best.

[daring glacier]

thank you

[terse hill]

We already talked about this dude, There’s ways to balance it.

Not to mention I sincerely doubt that there won’t be any class 10… meaning no semi automatic weapons!

[daring glacier]

thats the point I was making to wellington to read the room.

As I stated before things added moving fwd need to be reasonable and as it stands I do agree changes would need to be made. Huxley & I talked about this as well in his thread.

[terse hill]

Elephants are perfectly reasonable. Elephant overpopulation and Rhinoceros Genetic Bottlenecking is best prevented by…. Hunting!

[hybrid wigeon]

All this reserve is a leopard and some antelope species and crocodile which can all just be backfilled into Vurhonga….

Lt Wolf they just gave us tigers and yaks so your expectations on big game is low

[daring glacier]

"when a species is protected its wrong to hunt them for sport. Even if its a way to bring in money I still think its wrong. The only small acception is if the animal doesn't go to waste and is donated to those who are in need and its in a controlled situation for maintaining healthy wildlife." - Is what I stated b4 so I'm not against population control to maintain an ecosystem irl.

[daring glacier]

no I'm happy with the game in the new map aside from the 2.

[terse hill]

The animal is never wasted.

[daring glacier]

There is many other locations and game other then safari

[daring glacier]

I know this but ppl dont is the point I'm getting at.

All my key point is I dont want to see a trend of protected species being added thats all, bc it gives ppl the wrong idea without knowing why.

hardly anyone plays the story missions they just kill anything that breathes. But if you want endangered or protected game in the game your ok to want it n I defn. dont have to agree with it. I simply explained why I think its a bad idea and thats it.

[hybrid wigeon]

snow leopards are protected they already issued there stance on endangered species being ok. Considering the danger and human conflict I think the only person getting a wrong idea would be you for thinking that they actually have any correlation towards one another. One is a video game, one is real life. You also have to realize lone bulls go into heat create devastating damage through small villages over there. Did you play the Vurhonga Story they mention rhinos?

[marsh basin]

It's a game, how does it set a trend? Everyone knows that killing a visual animal, which does not exist, has no consequences with the wild species. Otherwise if the tigers you hunted in the game had any consequence then they will be long gone. So I think your reasoning doesn't work.

[hybrid wigeon]

Hippo kills more people than anything why would you think the meat would be wasted?

[marsh basin]

Some animals are hunted not for pleasure because there are very many of them around fragile populations and so at first they try to find something other than hunting but when they see that it doesn't work, then they hunt. There is no pleasure in hunting a species, but in reality, but in a game, since there is nothing at all that can touch reality, we can afford to do so. A game was also made for that, the need to have fun here with the hunting of animals which in reality we don't want to hunt and which we try to protect

[candid thunder]

I love the amount of people down down voting @daring glacier and yet it's the same thing over and over. Making great points and then the argument back is little nit picks just so you can hunt elephants and rhinos 🤣 just wild to me yall don't want some of the maps fixed and the bugs to be fixed but instead yall want to basically add a cover over what should be the main thing being worked on. Africa 2.0 sounds cool and I'm all for it! Don't think I'm not

But I'd rather have the bugs and maps and animals fixed then worry about getting a new map or new animals and content and such ya know?

Like I said before! I'm all for new content but the main thing that should be focused on is fixing the bugs and problems lol.

Look at the amount of games that just added content but didn't fix the problems they needed to fix. Fall under and become a nother game that ignored the small things that turned big.

Ik some of yall will wanna argue with this right here, But my point is valid and it can't really be argued when the bugs can be fixed but the problem lies to the people wanting more content instead of fixing the bugs and problems of the game 🤷‍♂️

[marsh basin]

I understand your point of view and they should know that Africa 2.0, we have to wait several years, so in the meantime they can take advantage of solving the bugs and when Africa 2.0 arrives they will put the rhinos and elephants like that all the world is happy

[candid thunder]

Eh it's gonna be the same issue lol

Adding something like this is falling the same route as each dlc before. It's the same concept and nothing different.

Yea it's cool for about a week but after that it's gonna be the same situation as where we are right now

[daring glacier]

I did play the Savannah it was beautifuly done. As for snow leopards same as wolves till recently. So yes I am associating the similarities both in game and irl bc the reserves follow real issues and actions taken in them. I'm in no way arguing that point which is why I love this game as much as I do. The new map in perspective you are a warden. Totally fine with this bc I understand and can relate to it irl. I play this game as I would irl treatiing it like a sim as best I can minus the obvious game sense with the weapons. So dont miss understand I'm aware its a game but I dont want to see the game go down a dark path in its content due to community pressure. Not saying any of you are wrong about the legallities of hunting elephants or rhinos by any means and it wouldn't bother me as much if you werent able to massacre them over you paid for a tag to legally hunt them.

[hybrid wigeon]

I understand your point but its a game just like how you cant buy deer tags. If elephants became popular its cause of how incredible of a species they are(based on the tusks, biggest mammals, and dangers that come with it) not based on how easy they are cause of their size. I'm sure the story would have just as big importance of mentioning the importance to stop poaching etc like Sunderpatan with Tigers.

[daring glacier]

I dont disagree about the presentation I'm sure it will be grand as it has been thus far however my core issue with all of this is even allow it to be considered a trophy at all.

[daring glacier]

It gives a bad impression to allow making trophies of these animals. Again I can meet half way for the sake of argument of its a game to hunt them. But they shouldn't be allowed to be displayed in a lodge bc it is a protected species. Wolves were an exception due to population growth but are currently being regulated and are no longer on the endangered species list.

And for arguements sake some endangered species only remain in reserves and no longer exist in the wild.

idk it just feels wrong to me and I might be the only one that feels that way🤷‍♂️

[remote lichen]

From what I can see, you seem to be the only one really pushing that point of view

[daring glacier]

It would seem so, however some do see my point but bc it is just a game where's the harm right. Its all good.

[still finch]

You know you can just, not buy the dlcs you don't like.

This game won't turn into farcry where you hunt Indian rhinos with a flamethrower because we have elephants and rhinos. Games are designed so you can do things within the game that's impossible in the real world, what's wrong with having a digital elephant in your digital trophyroom? You're argument runs on the same line of thought that grinding ruins the game because it devalued trophies.

The maps do need fixing, but it doesn't keep the studio open. New content means the company makes money to stay open longer, giving the more time to fix maps little by little. If they stopped for a year to fix all the things wrong the old maps and did nothing that brought in money, it might be the last update the game ever gets

[daring glacier]

I'm not denying content within reason. We talked about this before about the balances being flawed as they are for the future possibility of Dangerous Game as its own class as well as others. Ex. Remember your fear with the 300blk? How you were afraid it would spark a new standard for suppresed weapons and more Modern weapons to be added. Thats how I feel about protected species being added just because we got the Tiger and snow leopard as a spark. You were fine with the 300blk if its a ranch gun instead. I'm fine with additional game added as long as it doesn't get out of hand. Its the same principle. If they keep adding modern weapons you feel they're catering to modern standards over traditional practical options. If they keep adding multiple protected species I'll feel they are walking away from there ethical values and become another Cabelas shoot everything game. As I've said before I'm fine with content within reason.

if that makes sense?

[still finch]

To be honest with you, I didn't care for Sundarpatan. I don't care about the tigers and the most interesting animal the map to me is muntjac with leopard coming second. It's just not my thing but I don't mind if others enjoy it.

On the other hand, I spent months on Emerald Coast just hunting the deer and enjoying how the map feels. Everyone will have different tastes and experiences, but that doesn't affect your experience of the game.

[daring glacier]

I wont argue with that, why would I. I prefer Medved if it would ever get fixed. As I said ppl think I'm anti everything and I'm not, I'm simply pointing something out that could or may not happen that could lead to a really akward or broken turn. You all freaked out over the polls for "weapons" and I mention "protected game" and now I'm the bad guy?

[still finch]

It's your wording, it seems like you are against a lot of the things the community has been asking for for years.

And yes, the poll was a problem because of the calibers that were picked, one weapon that has been requested for years (.375), one reasonable new small game caliber(.17 hmr) and three AR-15 calibers selected solely because they are AR calibers. Three out of five being calibers that not much of the community asked for against two that we've been asking for for years feels like they're completely ignoring long term players.

I have said I didn't want another AR and if they go toward a more grinding playstyle then I'm done. But that's exactly what I meant, I'll just walk away. It's not fun for me but if other people like it then I won't hang around telling them they're having fun wrong

[daring glacier]

Defn. didn't intend for it to appear that way & I'm not against content even if I'm indifferent about it. I was only trying to point it out bc I and others were concerned about it due to Nepal with Tigers n Leopards. I'm not blind to million Africa threads

[hybrid wigeon]

It’s a video game what made Cabelas so good was so you can hunt animals that you can’t get unless paying for travel fees etc. There games had no replay ability like Call of the Wild has as it was a level system where you completed missions. It’s about giving the players something they can still ethically hunt but have it be in a video game not having to spend thousands in travel fees. In terms of it effecting the species is like saying Planet Zoo has conservation efforts in game that result out of game….

[daring glacier]

I can accept having them added in as a possible encounter as a sim player and all of you can hunt them if you want. I'm willing to view it half way to justify it no problem.

[daring glacier]

I just dont want to see to many added where I feel like its become a poaching game. Before you judge me you do understand my meaning & where I'm coming from? As for Cabelas I loved the realism they had at the start before they abandoned the immersion to gallery shooters. TheHunter has and still does have the most authentic experience towards reserves with their daily tasks and issues as wardens. I've done this kind of work all over and I admire that above anything else.

Nepal is here & the Safari is coming eventually. But if it were to get really carried away then I would likely quit the game

[remote lichen]

One can blame the direction the Cabela's Games went in on Activision

[daring glacier]

Your probably right as their track record proceeds them well.

[remote lichen]

Especially when Call of Duty started to get popular

[daring glacier]

I wont go down that rabbit hole🤣 Thats a mess of its own

[tropic sapphire]

Again your just saying stuff without proof.
Also ultimate hunting has had no issues licensing it’s African content. Stop making non issues.

[tropic sapphire]

It’s not our fault you cannot differentiate a game and real life

All these species can be LEGALLY HUNTED

I have no issues with adding these things, and I’m an anti-poaching ranger in South Africa, and I’m quite literally in a big 5 reserve as I write this.

Whatever US job you have with wildlife that you keep alluding too is completely diffrent to this. You need to have been to Africa to understand it. You clearly have no understanding or knowledge of how African game reserves fund themselve, and would probably be surprised if I told you that trophy hunting has HELPED conservation efforts for both rhinos and elephants

To the point with elephants that we have a major surplus which are now causing vast amounts of damage to the ecosystems of each reserve.

I literally put my life at risk everyday to keep these animals safe irl, and yet
I can differentiate between real life and the virtual world, you should too

[tropic sapphire]

Typing for 40 minutes hurry up

[daring glacier]

I dont expect you to understand nor do I need you to. You're arguing for no reason, and you are making it way more personal because your associated with Safari. I'm more then capable of separating between fantasy and reality/virtual or real just fine. You once again lash out without reading the previous posts, if you had you'd know it was a misunderstanding due to my poor word choice and thats on me 100% and I deserve it admittingly (I can admit when I make a mistake). Even so, after it got cleared up you still have to lash out, well fine if it makes you feel better go ahead. Developers have a legal system to produce content and different regions have content restrictions as well as signed contracts to use content. Brands, Manufacturers, Specific Locations, Actors list goes on. In Some cases like Gta for ex. use fake car names to avoid manufacture rights to use there vehicles. Here in the US its a big deal whether you know or not. And if it makes you feel better on that topic I'm sure myself and if anyone else wishes to show Wellington these content laws exist I'm sure they could. They probably wont because I'm against the idea of having any endangered or protected species being modelled in any game simply because its morally wrong. However as I mentioned if you read the posts thats just how I & others feel whether if its legal or not/ real or virtual. They released Nepal and we have Tigers and Snow Leopards, its here, so be it. I also mentioned as a sim player I can treat it as an encounter and everyone else can shoot them as they please meeting the debate half way and both sides have an accord. Further more I also acknowledged Rhinos and Elephants will likely be added at some point anyway and we also ("discussed and agreed") changes would need to be met to balance it out because the existing content would be broken having them as Tier 9 when they need to be 10 with the appropriate calibers matching it & the Dev's have time to sort out the details, models, etc.

So...........for the record & hopefully the last time. I have nothing against Africa, its culture as well as its Safari on a social or personal level. Your reserves are no different than ours. I know why you do what you do its no different here. Again at the end of the day its a game that replicates real world scenarios and wildlife management all over the world and I have nothing but respect for that because its authentic and no other game does it better so yes. I do care enough to worry ppl will get the wrong idea. I have kids so it took awhile.

[daring glacier]

As I also said before I wont argue or pretend I know everything about Africa and its Safari because I've never been there and I'm not scrutiniziing you or your work. And I did do my research into the farms. Just because I feel indifferent about hunting elephants and rhinos doesn't mean I dont know why. We have many species here that are also destructive and pose threats if populations are too high. I'm also aware the comparison is vaguely similar they're worlds apart.

[tropic sapphire]

Much that I disagree with in the first paragraph.

But your good dude dw 😌

✌🏻

[daring glacier]

Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression it was not my intent at all

[still finch]

Isn't hunting way more effective for conservation? Aside from people paying a LOT of money to hunt relatively few animals of several different species.

Just offering a guide service would have to require knowledge of the land and animals, protecting those animals from poachers and disease outbreaks, and making sure there is a high population so clients can have a decent success rate to draw in more money.

It's effectively sacrificing what amounts to one older male or so for each species to make the entire herd stronger in the long run.

We are, essentially, very picky predators