AFRICA BIG FIVE (Africa 2.0 + Class 10 Weapons) 🇿🇼🇿🇦

[final current]

If only they didn't live in a tiny part of Kenya (A country that banned big game hunting in the 70s) and Somalia (A country famous for piracy)

[trail loom]

yea you'd more or less have to base the map around where they live to include them

[untold maple]

Congratulations, your the nine thousandth comment

As the person who brought them up…yes, I still remember them

[untold maple]

Should sitatunga go on a Zambia map or a Cameroon map?

[final current]

I included Zambezi Sitatunga on my Zambia Reserve, and Cameroon is home to the Forest Sitatunga so I would say that both Zambia and Cameroon could come with the Sitatunga

[patent agate]

I know, I blame you for getting them stuck in my head

[untold maple]

Good…they should be stuck in more people’s heads

[upper pelican]

maybe in the campaign there could be a hunt for a giant man eating nile crocodile as there is rumors about huge niles that have eaten hundreds of people and it would be cool

or maybe like a great one with bullet scars instead

[patent agate]

Spent a while fishing in the swamps down in Louisiana and saw a gator about 10ft long that had 4 long scars on its head. Guide said ,and this is a direct quote, "shot this SOB 4 times with an '06 and he ain't dead yet, bast*** will outlive me"

[untold maple]

Are you talking about gustave

[upper pelican]

yes

[patent agate]

I want to hear the Warden say that. Seriously.

I want the mission croc to be one the Warden has been trying to kill for years and he just hates it at that point.

After you shoot it, the Warden is happy but a little saddened by losing a good opponent

[untold maple]

And the crocs name shall be Wolfgang…or Hans. Something German

[patent agate]

"Don't misunderstand, it was a ma eater and it had to go to keep people safe. But still, one hunter to another, I respected him, just a bit"

[patent agate]

Eivin

[patent agate]

#1303246252737036372

Had to do it, I'm still worried

[fleet forge]

This would The Ultimate Challenge and test of skill…Harvest a Cheetah with a Vital Shot…While on the Run

[patent agate]

I think you might need help

[untold maple]

Check out this gemsbok

[patent agate]

Herbert here complains about low branches

[queen trench]

👍

[patent agate]

How many times have ostriches been brought up in this thread?

[untold maple]

Definitely towards the the beginning of this thread

[patent agate]

THREAD POLL:

What class would you like the .375 to cover?

A. 8-9
B: 7-9
C: 6-9
D: 9 ONLY

????????

[mortal rain]

C

[trail loom]

for now, I think B.

[patent agate]

I'm voting B because brown bear are still class 7 for some reason

[trail loom]

Actually I think permanently B for me. I just would like the other 7-9 rifles get class tweaks.

[trail loom]

The only reason grizzly was put in 8 is because it's 200kg/430+lbs bigger at max weight. Eurasian browns are smaller for sure

[mortal rain]

That’s because grizzlies were based on Kodiak Brown Bears and not interior grizzlies for some odd reason

[trail loom]

I kinda figured that

[untold maple]

I’m going with c because I want to use it on plains game as well as dangerous game

[mortal rain]

I really just want it to cover the future that holds leopards and plains game so 6-9 is perfect.

Lotta people think leopard should be below class 6 for some reason I’ve seen in other threads…?

[trail loom]

I figure leopard should be class 7 🤷‍♂️ especially considering .416 is popular for them

[mortal rain]

7-8 would be perfect.

[untold maple]

Yeah, I don’t know why people think they should be weaker
They’re apart of the big 5 for a reason

[patent agate]

If brown bears are class 7, then leopards should be too, they aren't nearly as small as snow leopards (which are more related to tigers for some reason)

[dire prism]

Fun fact, snow leopards also have mitochondrial DNA from asiatic lions, indicating that the two species interbred twice in two major multicentury cross-breeding events when their ranges overlapped in modern Iran, Nepal, India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.

Surviving mitochondrial DNA also indicates the hybrid offspring were fertile and could reproduce successfully themselves.

[patent agate]

Nature makes no sense at time

[sick zodiac]

So you're telling me that snow leopards and Asiatic lions made babies sometimes? 😮

[patent agate]

Had to be young males

[mighty rampart]

Hmmm

[native nymph]

idk what this thread is really about but all i want is just to hunt some really big game and have a huge elephant rifle

[dire prism]

indeed; and the mix of genomic sequence and mitochondrial DNA indicates that the pairings could have either parent be either species

[untold maple]

It’s about everything hunting related in Africa

[patent agate]

What's the smallest animal you'd want to see on this map?

[trail loom]

For me the smallest African animal I’d be enthusiastic about hunting is a blesbok probably

[untold maple]

Duiker, Dik Dik, Oribi, Grysbuck, Klipspringer, Suni, or steenbok

[patent agate]

Will take all of them in a single map with an eccentric Baden warden with a posh English accent and obsession for small game. I wanna hear Nigel Thornberry rambling on about random animal facts. Mostly about animals that have absolutely nothing to do with the reserve

[patent agate]

Imagine hunting in Africa while a random English man tells you about a South American lizard with far too much enthusiasm as he snacks on kippers and milk tea

About half way through someone calmly says, "sir this is Tanzania, not Paraguay

[mortal rain]

Birds, monkeys, the tiny 10. Africa isn’t just about the big game

[patent agate]

I've been obsessed with the tiny 10 for a few years now with the blue duiker duiker as my favorite and suni as second favorite

[mighty rampart]

Now that’s immersive

[patent agate]

That's conservation, I'd be laughing too hard to take a shot

[native nymph]

does anybody have a link back to the top?

i’d like to read

[hybrid sundial]

#1195097534239088720 message

[native nymph]

giraffe and nile crocs should be class 9

[trail loom]

They can probably move up to class 9 yea. I feel like Nile can stay 8 though given there’s no reason to put it higher than saltwater.

[deft egret]

click on the arrow

[mortal rain]

That’s not on mobile.

[deft egret]

damn

[native nymph]

Idk why it aint 💔

[mortal rain]

There is pins however.

[mighty rampart]

Keeping giraffe at 8, as while they are yes very tall. The calibres used on giraffe are akin class 8 animals.

We’re measuring the round it takes to reach the vitals, there’s not much there, they’re just big antelope.

[trail loom]

The biggest gun I've read on people using for them is .458, which would probably be class 9 like the .470 given their similar performance

they are much easier to bring down than cape buffalo though and the .300 is a popular giraffe round from what I seen. Also though I think cape buffalo should be class 10, so it's a bit complicated how you want to class giraffe

If cape buffalo stays 9 then giraffe should stay 8. There's definitely a distinction between them

[noble knot]

I think that class 9 has a wide enough range of weights and toughnesses to keep capes in there I don’t think class 10 would fit capes buffalo in a COTW video game logic sense because as of now we consider Class ten to be Elephants Hippos and Rhinos which is a fairly large gap in toughnesses

[trail loom]

Sure, but people use the same rifles on cape buffalo that they do hippos, elephants and rhinoceros. There's no distinction in that regard

[noble knot]

That’s a good point but it doesn’t mean capes have to be class 10 I think class 10 weapons should just be 9-10

[trail loom]

I'd be more satisfied for capes to stay class 9 if they move bison and the 300 down to class 8

[noble knot]

Let’s agree to disagree on that

[trail loom]

People use the 30-06 on bison and majority of countries (Not saying all only because im not 100% sure) in africa it's illegal to hunt cape buffalo with the .300

How come you disagree

[noble knot]

Yes but it’s a hunting simulator game real world laws don’t apply the game logic is if it can feasibly work and also the fact 30-06 has large game loads irl cotw is clearly using a more generic load remember they go of general research not real life

[mortal rain]

Using .300 on Cape buffalo is down right stupid. That should be represented

[noble knot]

Agreed but it’s a game not a lot of people are going to look into it that’s the problem it’s just a game that doesn’t go off of realism you can hunt raccoon with 243 in the game it doesn’t make sense but it’s in the game

[deft egret]

The calibers currently in the game are greatly miscalculated and mismatched with the animal setup. It's clear COTW wasn't planning early on to introduce animals such as tigers and potentially elephants and didn't include that when they set the calibers and classes. They would have to greatly re-organize the class system and the calibers they cover if elephants, hippos and such were introduced because if the current system remains if those class 10 species come along, it will be highly unrealistic. It would be high time to do an overhaul and adjust accordingly

[mortal rain]

So then why not change it.

[noble knot]

It’s quite frankly to late in the game for a complete re work unfortunately in my opinion

[deft egret]

For an arcade hunting game such as COTW, it would benefit greatly by reducing the gap between arcade and realism by making the calibers/animal classes match more evenly. Hunting water buffalo with the drilling rifle because it's more effective than the .300 is absurd, and the .300 is supposedly the most effective big game rifle in the game

[native nymph]

Makes sense nevermind but what about crocs?

[trail loom]

Saltwater are class 8, why would niles be 9

[native nymph]

werent saltwater 9 when they were first released or am i tweaking? (i havent played cotw since june and i just started playing again)

[trail loom]

The last bit is confusing. Did you mean to say it's absurd that the 9.3 is less effective against water buffalo than the .300 or are you saying the .300 is justified as the best big game rifle in the game

[noble knot]

They where 7

[native nymph]

Ohh they moved them up but wait was there an animal they moved down a class from 9?

[mortal rain]

And that’s the problem!

[mortal rain]

Sadly no bison or bantengs were moved to class 8.

[native nymph]

ah so all nines stayed nines man we need more class 9 species

[noble knot]

I can agree benteng should not be class 9

[mortal rain]

And neither should bison

[noble knot]

Euro or plains bison

[mortal rain]

Both

[noble knot]

I could agree with euro but plains bison is kind of a bad take they should definitely be class nine

[mortal rain]

We literally brought them to their knees with black powder…?

And they still haven’t fully recovered and never will.

People have also taken them with relative ease with .308 in recent years

[noble knot]

It was drives and pushing them off cliffs not just guns bruh

[patent agate]

You realize the bison population was only wiped out after train tracks and bpcr rifles were a thing?

[noble knot]

Yes

[mortal rain]

Yeah… in the Pre-Colombian Era

[patent agate]

OK. So a few hundred years of driving 15 or 20 at a time off a cliff means nothing when 1880s pelt hunters were killing 50 from a single stand

Sometimes taking literally nothing but the tongues to be sold by the barrel to Eastern meat markets

[mortal rain]

They literally stopped the practice of buffalo jumps **because ** the introduction of horses and firearms.

[noble knot]

I was just saying it was multiple factors and there was some pretty big bore bison rifles used I don’t want to argue on this anymore I feel it is a circular argument let’s agree to disagree

[patent agate]

Yeah, Native hunters did not do this

[noble knot]

I didn’t say they didn’t use rifles I was trying to say there was other factors

[mortal rain]

Which were… blackpowder, blackpowder is significantly weaker than you think

[patent agate]

Keep in mind, we currently have pistols that can beat this fps from much shorter barrel.

Class 8 would be fine for bison, plains, wood, or euro bison all

[noble knot]

Okay let it down already let’s get back to the main topic of Africa here gosh I was trying to say they should be nine by there weight and got dog piled

[mortal rain]

They ain’t thatttt different from moose tbh, just plains moose.

[patent agate]

Okay then, only lions, cape, and water buffalo, and tigers, should be class 9

[native nymph]

yeah no i was gonna say wood bison are the biggest of the three but euro is close idk

[patent agate]

Everything else currently in class 9 can be taken down pretty easily with ordinary rifles, particularly .30 cal plus

[dusky oak]

Yak?

[native nymph]

also why are tigers class 9 lol they seriously need to be down classed

[patent agate]

Yeah, class 8, no doubt in my mind. Saw one taken down with a .30-06. Worked for a man who owned three and one kept chasing us around the field, owner got sick of it. Went to his truck and grabbed the rifle. He shot from 150 yds or so and it went down in around 5 seconds

[mortal rain]

There’s not a single way you are serious…

[untold maple]

They’re at class 9 for a reason

[patent agate]

K. Hold on a minute. The second elephant painting. It makes me think of a particular rifle

[noble knot]

More of a compromise I could see to the argument why don’t they just add 30-06 6-9 loads and 308 5-9 loads in cotw

[mortal rain]

You want to shoot cape buffalo with 308? Cmon now…

[untold maple]

The one on the elephant, or the guy who is about to have a long recovery at the hospital?

[noble knot]

Of course not it’s just a thought

[final current]

Sounds like something you do if you got a death wish

[native nymph]

I thought the classes were for calibre size that can kill them not the danger level

[patent agate]

Elephant face cat.

[untold maple]

And what rifle does it make you think of?

[mortal rain]

Bull riders barely make it out of the ring; how do you expect to make it out of the Veld!

[final current]

Danger level factors in for tiger and lion, sure you could kill a tiger with a 308 but a 470 is far more effective (Bagged my first few tigers with the 470, never needed a second shot)

[noble knot]

I think we can all agree 7mm should not be a class 9 riffle

[mortal rain]

Once bison and banteng are out of class 9, sure

[noble knot]

Agreed

[patent agate]

FOUND IT.

Westley Richard's (of course) .577 2"

[noble knot]

@mortal rain @patent agate I would like to apologize for my Bone headed persistent in that argument I was entirely wrong sorry.

[patent agate]

Not a big deal tho, no need to apologize

[mortal rain]

All good👍

[patent agate]

Seriously, why can't we get gear like this?

[mortal rain]

Kinda surprised we got nothing clothing wise on Sundar, would’ve been cool to get a Victorian Hunter outfit or even a tiger “prevention” mask.

[untold maple]

That would be the best addition for sundar right now
(I just want to go after Nilgai without getting mauled every other minute, is that so much to ask for?)

[trail loom]

I agree

[trail loom]

Actually to be fair are you sure that wasn't domestic or feral or anything? Those wild ones are HUGE

Wild yak left, domestic right.

If it was one of these typa yak it doesn't count.

judging by the fact he "owns" them, I highly doubt it's one of the giant wild ones. Those things lived with cave lions and they're pretty fast and aggressive, atleast to eachother. I think they deserve class 9

[final current]

I agree, a domestic/feral yak can probably fit into Class 8 nicely but Wild Yaks are the titans of Tibet, I reckon only packs of wolves ||(and the elusive Yeti)|| can really pose a threat to a Wild Yak

[trail loom]

There's only around 10,000 true yak left unfortunately

could be far worse though.

[dusky oak]

What gr?

[dusky oak]

I'm not sure 308 gr get as heavy as 30 06. That aside, it should be ethical on class 9s if you're hitting heart or brain. I hate that you get punished for a good heart shot with a smaller rifle

[dusky oak]

Fair point. Apples to oranges. They're big animals with thick coats in the wild/game

[trail loom]

From all my research there isn't really such thing as true wild yak hunting (anymore) and I couldn't find any sources. All I could find that's substantial is this, which is a tibetan yak ranch in Canada and they have the largest Yak scored with a rifle on record. Their label for a trophy is 1500lbs. Some of these yak look pure but I doubt they are considering they live with domestics. They all look mixed to an extent

true giant yak are upwards of 2500lbs

[dusky oak]

I'll also say I've killed a red deer with a .22 LR and the old cullers often used .222 on reds. Some people I know use .223 these days. Just have to be a goid shot

[trail loom]

image I posted isn't the record one, but it's one of the big ones provided on the site

[mighty rampart]

I probably didn’t remember what tier they were on the Australia map. This was back in February before I played it.

[final current]

Silvertine Ranch in Saskatchewan, I suspect their yaks are domesticated

The giveaway is the fur variation

Wild Yaks do not have white faces like domestic yaks do

The picture I included also came from their website

[trail loom]

Mhm

[patent agate]

180gr core lokts

[trail loom]

True wild yak like the ones in cotw are aggressive, hardy and titanic. Probably not dissimilar to water buffalo

[patent agate]

They sound like musk ox if you put it that way, and they are taken with .30 cal rifles regularly

Not terribly dissimilar but I don't think I'd place either in class 9 with cape buffalo tbh

[trail loom]

Musk ox are a solid class 8 imo. But again that source you posted there claims yak are up to 580kg when the giant wild ones are well in excess of 1000kg

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GbewD0RNq_I

The yak in front of it is very clearly a female, but it's still pretty damn clear how titanic the difference is between the type of yak you can hunt on ranches and the true ones purely natural to the earth is

[patent agate]

Don't forget though that that's an extremely thick layer of fur, while it can handle a tiger's claws it won't stop bullets like a cape buffalo's leathery hide does. Weight wise it seems like they'd be a match for eland, something else that would fit class 8.

I wouldn't think much about taking on a eland with a sub .30 cal but I'd be fine using an 06 or the like. Best I remember the yak o saw shot weighed something close to 1500 pounds, we needed a tractor to move it

[untold maple]

I just looked it up, apparently you can hunt yak in Kyrgyzstan

[patent agate]

What belongs in class 9? Is it defined by weight, or how dangerous it is? Are there animals you'd rather see in other classes?

[trail loom]

Probably a mix. I also advocate banteng staying class 9 since they're legitimately "dangerous game" and the usual cartridge for hunting is .375 as with usual dangerous game.

The only things in class 9 I think should be moved down are the two bison :L

[patent agate]

The bison really don't fit in there, they just aren't that tough really

[mighty rampart]

Lions are a 9, so w Evan assume danger is defiantly a factor

[patent agate]

What's your take? Are bison really the only class 9 that doesn't belong in class 9?

[sick zodiac]

Banteng only imo

[mighty rampart]

I don’t know much about American bison.

[patent agate]

They are heavy, large bodied and generally run from anything. Most people hunt them irl with .30 caliber rifles. Some even use 7mm rifles. They don't have a particularly thick hide or abnormally hard bones so any decent bullet works just fine. They are dangerous but generally the people getting wrecked by bison are clueless tourists who got way too close in the first place.

I would not say they count as dangerous game. Class 8 with no debate to me.

[trail loom]

Class 8 no debate here as well.

[trail loom]

They’re dangerous game and .375 is your standard rifle. They should stay class 9 I think

[mystic token]

I think introducing class 10 would solve the bison debate, as animals such as cape buffalos, banteng and water buffalos would get moved to class 10 while bison and big cats stay class 9

and then making .30-06 a 4-9 would be an amazing touch aswell

[mortal rain]

I wouldn’t even put bison and banteng in the same level as big cats.

[patent agate]

Yall have any thoughts on Swapping bison and brown bear to class 8, leaving lions, tigers, and grizzlies at class 9, and moving cape/water buffalo and banteng to an early class 10 assignment?
At the the moment, only the .470 and .577-450 could be really class 10 material. But maybe they could add a new load for the .45-70 and 9.3 specifically for 8-10 animals?

[trail loom]

Bison should be class 8, banteng and yak should stay class 9 with lions and tigers, and cape + water buffalo should be moved into class 10.

I think polar bears and kodiak bear are class 9 material, and while the ingame bear is supposed to be inland grizzly, it's incorrectly just as big and seemingly based off kodiak bear, so class 9 is fitting. Some professional hunters say they have faith in nothing less than a .375 and recommend .416 for kodiak and polar. With that being said, eurasian brown bear can probably be bumped into class 8.

and also... 9.3 definitely needs that buff. It's literally the european equivalent of .375 (you can call it .366). In many african countries where 375 is the minimum for elephant, buffalo, etc.. you can usually get your PH to let you bring 9.3/.366

[late pond]

4-9 or 5-9 I strongly believe it should compete the (7mm 4-9 or 9.3x74R 5-9) based on Hornady's 250gr CX rated for (50lb-1500lb Game) - (3-8) & 300gr DGX Bonded rated for (300lb-2800+lb Game) (5-9)

[trail loom]

Considering it will almost guaranteeingly be based on 300gr DG rounds, the lowest it should be is 5-9 since the .375 and 9.3 are pretty similar in performance as far as I’m informed.

unless this update changes the .300 or .338’s class range though, they’re not going to make the .375 cover more than 7-9 for the time. 9.3 gets a pass since it’s a gimmicky x74R European drilling rifle, but being a big bolt action the .375 won’t get the same treatment

[untold maple]

Why is Africa so small compared to the other continents in the map?
Africa is huge, why is it dwarfed by Asia and North America?

[dire prism]

I believe its the standard warping of the mercator projection, makes the north look bigger in many places while minimizing the equatorial areas

Greenland being bigger than all of Europe is an example of this

[patent agate]

#1304549274230587432

Hopefully you guys will check this out, I really want to hear from everyone

[deft egret]

I wish they'd introduce a 9,3x rifle i love it in cotw just not the drilling you use it with rn in COTW

[mortal rain]

The drilling rifle is iconic, one of the best rifles to ever use 9.3…?

[deft egret]

if the shotgun shells in this game could penentrate more than paper sure id like the drilling more

[mortal rain]

… use birdshot?

[dusky oak]

A bolt 9.3 would go hard

[patent agate]

To do a bolt action we'd need a new cartridge #1268661445097422908

To do a break action double barrel they could just copy the 9.3x74r over under from Classic (why is this not already in the game? We have the ammo and animations already)

[mighty rampart]

Op

[noble knot]

Y’all ever see the images of the CEO of Jimmy John’s (a Sandwich company) he killed a elephant and is on a giraffe hunt apparently what a wild side quest for a sandwich man

Found a image

[mortal rain]

Always knew the roast beef was a little… gamey.

Never knew why

[untold maple]

I definitely knew that. Anti hunting groups love talking about him

[noble knot]

It was stupid because it was a legal hunt people are idiotic

[trail loom]

If you guys could get two of the following with an Africa 2 big five+ update, assuming one comes with the DLC and theoretically a new very expensive high weapon score requirement gun got added to the basegame for non-dlc players to hunt in multiplayer, which of these picks (or potentially pick something not named) would you like to see

9.3x62mm
.416 rigby
.404 jeffery
.450 rigby
458 lott
500 NE
500 Jeffery
.505 gibbs
.577 tyrannosaur
600 NE

[mortal rain]

.405 Winchester would be more versatile.

[trail loom]

I didn't bother to name it since as far as I know according to a Hornady bullet chart I have printed, it's the same weight with lower muzzle velocity and energy than a .375.

[untold maple]

458 Lott and 405 Winchester are my top picks

[trail loom]

I’d certainly love to see .458.

I feel like atleast for Africa 2 DLC it has to one up Vurhonga with its .470. I’d like to see that over under 500 nitro lots.

[late pond]

.505 Gibbs & .416 Rigby

[trail loom]

Epic picks

[patent agate]

9.3x62mm and .416 Rigby, I have no doubt on these two

[late pond]

I love the 458 as well it was a tough pick but the 416 is an amazing Lg-Dangerous Game pick & alot of folks dont know of the .505 Gibbs so great shout out there 👍

[untold maple]

Getting close to 1,400

[untold maple]

Rhodesian ridgeback hunting lion
It’s what they were breed to do

[late pond]

Good Painting, love vintage art

[untold maple]

If you do a lot of scrolling(like, a lot) you’ll find a lot more posted on here

[late pond]

I seen a few here & there but the thread blew up so fast it would take awhile 😅 but I always loved art like this since I was a kid. It takes real talent to do this.

[patent agate]

I saved a few lol

[late pond]

🤣 Made my day these are great.

[patent agate]

I'll be honest the guy in a red plaid shirt bugs me, that's a lion and you are dressed like meat

A curse on all of you

You will forever think of buffalo wings

[mortal rain]

That sense of scale is just 👌

[dire prism]

to be fair big cats have dichromatic vision and cannot see red very well, so as far as the cat is concerned he's probably bluish grey.

or pee yellow lmao

[patent agate]

OK, so if that's how they see the color red, wouldn't he still look like meat to them?

[dire prism]

feasibly, but he may also just look like the nearest object but with a funky pattern

cat vision is weird; it's basically fully tuned for crisp low-light vision and the detection of movement at the expense of pattern differentiation and color vision

[noble knot]

Te lion on the top right almost looks like a Barbary lion

[patent agate]

No idea, @untold maple found the art originally I just reposted a few for folks to see without scrolling up

[untold maple]

I figured someone would

[patent agate]

Hey, quick question, if ever rifled in the 4-8 class had the same penetration as the .44/Moradi out to like 200 or 250, would you still carry a pistol for defensive use?

[untold maple]

I find that I don’t really use handguns for self defense, I just use my rifle that I have on hand

[patent agate]

I try to keep one rifle and one handgun generally, maybe 2 rifles and a handgun. But I was playing last night and the Moradi passed through a sika buck at 150 ish when the .270 failed too

[untold maple]

Yeah, the 270 kinda sucks for some reason

[patent agate]

Well I kinda had the thought that if the rifle classes mirrored the handgun classes they'd be way more realistic and useful. You'd get .44 magnum penetration from a .270 at 200 yards then the rifles become way more suitable for all their classes and the pistols have a place because they'd fire, reload faster and weigh less

[mighty rampart]

Hyena variants?

[untold maple]

Also striped, brown, and aardwolf

[late pond]

Looking fwd to these

[patent agate]

Fella with the Mohawk looks like he's up to something

"Hehehe, wait 'til they figure it out" vibes

[untold maple]

They all look like their up to something…they’re hyenas

[tranquil phoenix]

Hehe Ladies and Gentlemen I'm back for good now 🙌💪🙌💪 just played a couple of hours of COTW last night didn't hunt alot but had a blast so I decided to come back to you all and once again be a part of the COTW and Africa 2.0 community🇿🇦🇿🇼🇿🇲🇳🇦🇧🇼!🙌

Amazing how much the post has grown even more since I last saw it you're making really good progress

[patent agate]

No stereotyping the weird cat/dog something-or-other creatures. They can't make up their minds as is

[patent agate]

.35 Whelen apparently does good work in Africa

[tranquil phoenix]

Does Africa have Feral Pigs? Because the second picture sure doesn't look like any Warthog or Bushpig could be Australia I know they have Feral Pigs in the desert and scrublands

[trail loom]

That ain’t no warthog.

[fleet forge]

https://tenor.com/view/unimpressed-cheetah-gif-25979512

[tranquil phoenix]

I know unless you're talking to the OP of the picture

[trail loom]

It was pretty clear from what you said that I wasn't accusing you of thinking it was a warthog. I was just adding on

[mighty rampart]

1500 by end of month?!?!

[untold maple]

I don’t think by the end of the month, but I do think by the end of the year

[patent agate]

Ain't a great picture but I think it's a forest hog, I don't know for sure though

[untold maple]

Doesn’t really look like one to me

[patent agate]

Wish it was a better picture, it looks like an ordinary feral pig. Maybe a hybrid? The photos were all from the same hunt apparently

Honestly more impressed by the .35 Whelen's performance on the giraffe

[trail loom]

There are feral pigs in north africa

[tranquil phoenix]

Haha😅 I couldn't understand the message properly so I'm glad for the clear up

[tranquil phoenix]

I don't think they have Feral Pigs in North Africa but they do have Wild Boar

[final current]

Those are Barbary Wild Boar, a unique subspecies of wild boar

[trail loom]

You sure? It doesn't really look like a barbary to me. It looks like a feral

[tranquil phoenix]

👆 yep we'll need 126 more upvotes if we wanted to reach 1500 and we have 18 days left in the month ( for me ) so we will need 7 upvotes a day

[tranquil phoenix]

I do think it is a Feral Pig just not in Africa

[final current]

I have heard of feral pigs in some parts of South Africa

There is also the Bushpig

[untold maple]

I’ve seen one outfitter have boar on its list before

[untold maple]

Heartabeest

Y’all need to check this out. The first ever, Royal Sable

[untold maple]

Some very cool finds today

And for the grand finale…a white Bongo Antelope

[patent agate]

Asking y'all's opinion on why the winter update is important enough to get a tab on the main menu?

[deft egret]

during the stream today almost all questions had to do with africa 2.0 😂 at least in the beginning, it's gotten major traction. EW would be fools to not entertain the concept. i hope they will tease something about what has been discussed here for ages

[mighty rampart]

Oh nice, what did people ask/ are there any clips?

[glad loom]

I don't want to break all of our hearts ... but in case you missed the stream.
Let's wait for 2026.

[trail loom]

Rip. Well, I hope we get kodiak island or polar map next.

[patent agate]

I'm thinking arctic/polar but anyway, what do you think the winter update will be? Aside from community weapon pack stuff

[trail loom]

Not so sure. I tuned into the stream today and he said get hyped because it's going to be some very exciting news. I can't quite imagine what that can be. Hopefully announcement of the weapons pack release?

I'm pretty sure he's not talking about the weapon pack though. He made it out to be something we don't know about yet.

[patent agate]

Weapon packs don't get hype like that, a message on the main menu and a stream to talk about features. It has to be a big update to gameplay. Hopefully better ballistics system

[glad loom]

Good point, good pont! ... and I agree, regardless of the map coming or no, both June and December updates are always big

[patent agate]

Big update for sure, but I feel like this is going to make a lot of changes, I just hope they're for the better

[untold maple]

I’ve found a lot of cool stuff today

[patent agate]

Impala have some gorgeous color phases

[patent agate]

So people occasionally hunt porcupines? This is not something I've heard of. Not exactly knocking it, I shot a porcupine last year for the hide

[mortal rain]

I’ve seen quite a few offered up in Namibia. They seem decently popular.

[untold maple]

Nuisance animal in Africa

[mental flicker]

holy moly bro shot my friends mom

[untold maple]

Zebra donkey hybrid

[patent agate]

That'll make for an interesting mount

[sharp notch]

Is there a way to get to the top of all the messages without scrolling…

[tranquil phoenix]

I was quite surprised with that so I'll be tuning in to see but if it's on a tab in the main menu and even news on Steam then it's gotta be something big

[sharp notch]

zonkey

[patent agate]

#1195097534239088720 was worried my phone didn't do it right lol

[sharp notch]

It won’t send me to the top

[tranquil phoenix]

I'm not too bummed out by it I just hope that when they do make it, it will be worth all of the waiting

[patent agate]

I'm hoping it's an Overhaul of the class system. You can do everything in the game with 3 guns atm

[sharp notch]

The link won’t send me to the top

[tranquil phoenix]

BTW morning fellas from Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany

[sharp notch]

Zorse (zebra and horse hybrid) idk if it’s Listed but I wanted to post this anyway

[tranquil phoenix]

I don't know what to want I'll just see if for myself and then see whether I like it or not that's how I usually operate

[versed basalt]

I WANT TO HUNT ZEBRAS!

[dusky oak]

I’m still just here for hyena and cheetahs and leopards

[noble knot]

Isn’t that just a African wild donkey

[untold maple]

Probably.
I read that this was a hybrid

[noble knot]

They look too close gosh

[untold maple]

And with those, only one of them has stripes on the body, so maybe it’s a hybrid
Idk

[noble knot]

Now that I look at it closer it is definitely a hybrid they look almost identical though aside from minor discrepancies

[untold maple]

All three look very close to each other, that’s for sure

Some recent finds

[trail loom]

That warthog is a MONSTER

[patent agate]

Crazy lookin animals roaming out there huh

[trail loom]

Referring to the one in the truck anyway. The other one has some freakish tusks though

[untold maple]

I know right, Africa is just crazy cool

[untold maple]

It dwarfs everything around it, it’s a Goliath of a hog

[patent agate]

I wanna see piebald gemsbok in game

[late pond]

yea I made a mention in my Gated: Wyoming upland Bird/Small Game dedicated reserve idea as a new species along with badgers, prairie dogs etc. With that said a meerkat/hyena multi mount would be cool.

[patent agate]

I wonder if the African porcupine is like the NA one? I'll be honest with you, they taste pretty dang good, the quills are useful little craft stuff, and the fur is weirdly soft, not quite like beaver but not rough either

[late pond]

They are pretty neat. But alot of folks didn't like the idea as it was intended to wrap up the US small game roster. Figured our fur bearer & small game need a shout esp. our remaining midwest upland birds with a pointer since our medium - large game have had the spotlight along with waterfowl in Revontuli. But I'm all for adding porcupines as another small game option.

[patent agate]

I might literally go hunt one today. I played cotw for like an hour and a half and had the missing bullet glitch 2 times

[trail loom]

African crested porcupines are 2x the size of the american ones

[patent agate]

If they taste as good then I'm all for it

[untold maple]

rhinos are just the coolest sometimes

[sharp notch]

Actually idk maybe

[mental flicker]

holy moly i thought that warthog was a sasquatch lmao

[gilded meteor]

Wouldn’t it be cool if the stream was special announcing Africa 2.0

[untold maple]

You Should watch this

[untold maple]

There’s a chance he’s misdirecting us so that it’s more of a surprise , but idk

[gilded meteor]

Exactly I think they want us to be confused for this reveal I really think it could be a map

[trail loom]

Idk, don’t get your hopes up. He said it pretty sincerely and on more than one occasion. On the flip side though, did say it’s not so much a matter of “if” anymore as much as it is a matter of how/when

[patent agate]

I'm pretty sure it's a big gameplay update, the com weapon pack is too much of an opportunity to for it to just be a map. I'm thinking it'll be an Overhaul of the classes or maybe a scoring system change because that makes the most sense with a weapon pack release.

Particularly one we decided on

[glad loom]

That was a statement, he is not misdirecting, and if he does that way, then he's just a lier, but I don't think Jaxy is a lier lol

[mortal rain]

The more I think about it, It might just be a massive class rework alongside major weapon buffs I’m quite excited to say the least.

[untold maple]

Bug fixes and game balancing is always gonna happen, It doesn’t make a lot of sense to setup a set and advertise a stream in advance just for an update, has to be something big like new content

[patent agate]

I think it'll be more like Liam said, a change in classes and how weapons work. I don't want to get super excited until the stream but this feels like it's a lot more than just bug fixes.

It's being hyped up too much to be just a bug fix or a couple of classes getting swapped. A map doesn't make sense with the wording of the message either. Maps aren't usually advertised as having "features"

[untold maple]

Only time can tell now

[patent agate]

Alright Kung fu master up some random mountain

[untold maple]

Okay

[patent agate]

I know what you meant but the way you worded it was like an old man stroking his beard and looking at the horizon

[untold maple]

I was going for Sam Elliott in a western or something, but I’ll take kung fu master

[patent agate]

Nah, you definitely give off turtle vibes

[patent agate]

Yep

[gilded meteor]

I think it’s something big like that also maybe a rework to a lot of old animals or something

[trail loom]

He adressed that in the stream and said reworks are going to just gradually come along where they fit in, they aren't ever going to just go through and revamp stuff.

[late pond]

The preview is likely going to go over survey results, comm pack, possibly reworks &/or new elements being introduced, maybe more polls to look fwd to and teasers to next years reserve or new game being added. To sum up I'm led to believe its a review of this years success & sneak peaks/hints on what to expect coming. EW has a knack to keep us guessing & keep ppl interested to draw us bk in.

[patent agate]

If they are changing up classes and scoring then it's the perfect time to add some reworks on the affected species. It could bena combination of new class/scoring and reworks on a small number of animals

@late pond I think they might go over it but the ad on the main menu specifically says features of the winter update, so I doubt it's just a review

Honestly if it is just a review it'll be a huge letdown

[trail loom]

By the way, as for the "cotw 2" thing, Jaxy confirmed there's no sequel game being worked on, and that cotw still has lots of life left.

I'm not disappointed at all since I bought so much dlc for this game it'd be disappointing if all the new features got pulled into a second installment

[late pond]

Jaxy mentioned its going to be a long stream so I'm expecting them to of course talk about n go over this winter but I'm also convinced some of next years content will be mentioned to tease us to keep tuned in.

[deft egret]

A class rework that will facilitate class 10 animals, and down the line we will eventually get elephants and that? Makes sense

[late pond]

I figured they were going for the long haul but it was also mentioned eventually they will have to. However I am also relieved to hear we still have some years left. & its worth mentioning they continue to raise the bar with ea. Passing year.

[trail loom]

Well, if you're referring to the stream he meant they will have to push past all platform content. Other games had to do this too, like primal carnage: extinction. The ps4 version is way in the dust compared to steam. He didn't mean a new game with that

[late pond]

I'm aware but as platforms advance they too will likely have to consider advancement. I doubt it'll result in optimizing CotW bc porting it would be an undertaking. At that point years from now it would be more ideal to develop another title with advanced features with the community in mind during development like multiplayer as an example since CotW was intended to be solo by design and was later added bc of requests from the community. So all in all I'm not against another title being developed with our requests in mind during development. CotW is a good testing ground before launching a monster title chocked full of advanced features.

As I said they have been raising the bar ea. year so imagining what a new title would look like in the future after seeing their progress thus far gives me chills thinking about it. But back on the subject of the Winter stuff its also possible we could be getting an event.

But like@patent agatementioned I too hope this is the case, but we'll have to wait n see.

[patent agate]

There's so many ways they could improve the QOL we have in game I'm glad they aren't upgrading yet, aside from how much I've spent on this game.

Africa 2.0 is just one of the amazing places they haven't gone yet and there's so many different types of gear and ways to hunt that haven't been explored.

I'm not holding my breath but my only sincere hope for this update is a rework of the weapons and class systems to be more realistic and free form. Honestly a system that doesn't rely on classes would be best.

If they do stick with classes they need to update it to allow for class 10/elephant hippo size game and weapons to handle them

[late pond]

I agree with ya there. I'd rather Game be by category as listed by Fish & Game over by the numbered class mechanic. Calibers & ammo are listed to the game categories it covers instead of 2-4 or 7-9. With that said the scents mechanic I'd go head over heels if its reworked to be used with decoys and scent wicks along with a scent timer & not just a cover scent timer.

@mighty rampart Question for you bc I'm curious, do you folks use scents there as well or no?

[mighty rampart]

Not really, I’m sure it’s been done. But I’m yet to meet anyone that’s done it personally

[late pond]

I wasn't sure so I figured I'd ask. I couldn't fathom the cost for safari estrus if there was.

[untold maple]

Smoking is the closest I’ve seen to someone using a scent
My ph was a chimney

I have no idea how we actually got close to any animals

[mighty rampart]

lol

[patent agate]

I can think of one thing that might work, hog estrus scents. Possibly.

Warthog hunts would be a good test because aside from the waterhole you could place the scent wicks and bow hunt over it

[mighty rampart]

Yeah makes sense

[patent agate]

It's possible, but I don't know for sure it would really work. Scents for hunting are extremely specialized for certain types of game animals and general "it's a pig so it should work" may not have any credibility

Then again, it may work just because a new non predator smell intrigues them, who knows?

[late pond]

If Hyenas are added in the 2.0 I'd love to have a mechanic to either use scents or leave a kill to attract them in. Similar to how we leave gut piles to attract coyotes here.

I truly want more ways to hunt predators other than just using the E-Caller across the board. I'd even settle with decoys for both prey & predators. Atleast in this case it gives me more of a reason to use the backpack over to haul around stands, tents, or turkey/waterfowl decoys.

[mighty rampart]

Sorry I’ve. Not been active much the last few weeks.

Been super busy irl

[untold maple]

You just got back to Africa right?

[patent agate]

Life tends to demand more time than you can spare. No worries though, we can still keep up the conversation

From what I understand, white flank impala are selectively bred and appear mainly on game farms and black impala are a rarer version of this. If we get a map that is based on a game farm/reserve area would white flank be an uncommon coat?

[mighty rampart]

Get back in a little under 2 weeks. Just been prepping stuff for my trip non stop

[untold maple]

Pretty much everything that has a fur mutation of any kind were bred on a game ranch of some kind
You do get Exceptions, like this white bongo(beyond rare I might add) but that’s like finding the holy grail of hunting.

[deft egret]

Wonderful looking animal, would love these in the game 👍

[patent agate]

I've come across some albino wild turkeys and piebald deer irl, but I'm saying if the Africa 2.0 map is split like half wild and half game reserve then white flank impala would be a normal sight.

Also, a reserve split down the middle by a fence and two wardens bickering back and forth while you try to do work for the landowner seems like a terrifyingly likely scenario for one map or another

[trail loom]

Was doing some research a while ago on instances of "great cat" charges (lion and leopard), and while it's kind of pointless in the context of this game, it might be interesting to know for anyone who reads this.

Lions much like bears will often bite at the site of their wound because presumably they think something attacked their flank, and in the event they know it was you and they charge, they'll usually single out one hunter and if they leap onto them, they are usually ontop of that specific person until either they, or the lion is dead.

Leopards are a little different, as they have a tendency to leap from target to target assuming you're in a group, and do a sort of "hit and run" when attacking.

Charges of this kind from either cat is not likely unless they're wounded, but in the event that they're wounded and then considered very dangerous, there was an instance of a wounded leopard that mauled 6 hunters. Unsure if anyone was killed God forbid, the source I saw just stated all persons as mauled.

just some entertaining food for thought.

[patent agate]

Way back I pretty much used this for my reasoning as to why .375 was a minimum caliber for leopards.

You don't use a big bore because of the size of the animal, you use a big bore so yo don't get somebody else killed

[patent agate]

So, .45-70 could be a very viable big five cartridge if you chose the right load and put in the practice with it

[dire prism]

300gr JHPs with 3200+ ft-lbs of muzzle energy has enered the chat for plains game

[dire prism]

and also this for hippo, rhino, buffalo, etc

[patent agate]

Garrett cartridges are built to put down anything it seems

[untold maple]

45-70 just needs a buff in general

But if I ever bring a lever action to Africa, it’s gonna be the Winchester 1895 in 405

[patent agate]

Yeah, it's sad they totally ignored the rifle when they changed the ammo to have a longer range

[sick zodiac]

I really like the fur variations of all the creatures soon before. Is there more 🥺

[plucky quarry]

1450 votes by the end of December

[final rivet]

So sad to hear that this isn’t coming to the game any time soon

[trail loom]

It’s a little disappointing but it’s not so bad. I just hope the next map isn’t New England mountains 2.0

[patent agate]

2days til the stream

[final current]

I could see either the Amazon or the Canadian Arctic coming before Africa 2.0

Both have their share of new species

[sick zodiac]

Thank you

[patent agate]

Sorry all I have are impala

[untold maple]

I’ve got some more than just impala

[patent agate]

I want them all in one lodge

[untold maple]

I know, me too man!

[sick zodiac]

WHo doesn't?

[patent agate]

I gotta ask, the cape with a belt, is that a crossbreed?

[dire prism]

one of its horns is massively warped; just noticed that

[patent agate]

That's either several damage at a young age or a genetic situation from a crossbreeding incident

[untold maple]

I’m pretty sure it’s painted/piebald

[mental flicker]

hunting baboons sound like a nightmare

[patent agate]

Are snakeproof gaiters a thing in Africa? I've never really seen anyone wear them and yall have puff adders

[glad loom]

Why? It sounds like fun to me lol

[mental flicker]

bro those things look scary asf

[glad loom]

That's why I'm holding a 470 💀

[mortal rain]

12g buck ought to do it

[glad loom]

Slugs 💀

[patent agate]

I'd love to use slugs, I just ordered a new slug gun

[mental flicker]

nice
what caliber?

i have a 20gauge slug gun

[mortal rain]

Sweet!

[patent agate]

Going with a Savage 212 12ga, already ordered a spare magazine and a scope for it too.

(Since it has to come through a gunshop anyway I'm seriously considering having a custom Cerakote finish added)

[trail loom]

.375 shooting sounds like a .270 which is too bad, but at least the chambering sounds good.

[mighty rampart]

New map looks nice, but what’s the new species?

[trail loom]

The one coming december 3rd is just a small game map with two new bird species, but the 2025 map showed snow, so fingers crossed it's a polar bear map

they did announce two reserves are coming in 2025 though, so hey maybe Africa 2 is still in the game

[mortal rain]

I’m afraid the only way I’d buy a German map is if it had alpine ibex, very excited for the new dog though

[dense folio]

Savages are awesome

I've got a savage arms 308 lever rifle

[trail loom]

Also Jaxy said for the foreseeable future, they will not be changing their 1 map a year rhythm last week, and that turned out to be a "lie". So him saying Africa 2 is not being worked on is not the final say.

[mighty rampart]

Was going to say that this new small maps setting hasn’t really been requested by the community massively. But either way a welcome surprise given that we were told only 1 map per year.

And it’s not on America so bonus points for that.

[mighty rampart]

Exactly, plans always have the chance change. This is why we are still positive and upbeat about our Africa 2 wishes.

So many interactions from the devs, communtiy managers and all of you guys have proven that this is wanted more than any other setting!

[trail loom]

Yes, absolutely

[mortal rain]

Meh, I would’ve preferred the true waterfowl capital of the world: The Mississippi Flyway

[patent agate]

Not a bird hunter so it really doesn't affect me that much, I can't believe I'll have to by the map just to get the shotgun tho

[trail loom]

Yea 10g over and under is pretty legit

hard to take a pass on that.

[patent agate]

Wasn't posted here so here ya go

[mortal rain]

Yeah… that .375 doesn’t have much ompft sound wise. Weird choice.

[trail loom]

At least it has a little bit of the punchy sound like the Eckers

[torn belfry]

yes but it's a shame that this other European map is an already made country (Germany) and in the area where the Alpine ibex does not exist because it is the north of Germany, border with Denmark. It would have been cool another European map such as Romania or at least towards the Caucasus or France, countries which are known for hunting. But hey, I'm waiting to see a little more. and then of the rare things that showed us it is rather beautiful despite it being the same country used.

[hybrid sundial]

two new ducks

[dire prism]

7-9 like I thought; would prefer if it was 6-9 and .300 magnum was 5-8 w/ both bison moved down to 8

[patent agate]

#1308494592651563029

You can add to it,

[old saffron]

hey EW i wouldnt mind both the maps next year being african ones 😂

[trail loom]

Assuming the winter setting for the teaser in the backround of the summer 2025 reserve is an actual teaser and not just random scenery, that's probably not going to happen. Which honestly I prefer, so long as the Africa map has as much in store as we're hoping for.

[mortal rain]

Well medved doesn’t have these trees…

[versed basalt]

I WANT TO HUNT ZEBRAS!!!

[grave acorn]

Yesssssssssssssz

[midnight carbon]

How long has this thread been around? A year? More? They definitely know about it and yet

New reserve is hirschfelden 2.0

[trail loom]

It’s just a little park, it’s not like they could have made a whole Africa map with the amount of effort it took in all fairness

[patent agate]

Hold on, I actually love the idea of the small parks because it opens up so many possibilities for hyper focused hunting areas. The US has tons of little biomes that would be fun t explore but wouldn't be very interesting as a full size map.

The same can be said for everywhere else in the world. Even if they share multiple animals with bigger maps they'll be their own experience.

Now, I get it, small map small game whatever. But Africa has THE TINY TEN and they'd make for an amazing small game park.

Maybe it's just a ranch in Australia that has kangaroos or wallabies and a few deer pestering a sheep farmer.
Maybe it's a farm in South Africa plagued by warthog and impala raiding the corn.

It's all opportunities for new experiences and new gear for all the reserves.

[frail schooner]

Jaxy did say on stream that the team has absolutely been talking about Africa 2.0, but they want it to be a case of "when" rather than "if"

So it's definitely not off the table, we just don't know when we'll see it. If I can find the quote again I'll send it here

My guess is that they want it to be a huge release, given the immense community demand for it. Messing up Africa 2.0 or delivering a subpar experience would be pretty detrimental

[mental flicker]

fr
hoping its a north american map like the arctic canada post

[fleet forge]

We NEED to Hunt Cheetahs AND Leopards!!!! GIVE US THE SPOTTED CATS

[tranquil phoenix]

YeahI agree I don't know why some people are so against it especially since it's something completely new that we've never had in the game plus for the GO'S this finally opens up more opportunities for GO'S that aren't Class 4 and higher which might even attract more players to hunt Small Game

[void eagle]

Yesssss. This would be epic!

[final current]

Tasmania (including Flinders Island) could make for a perfect Compact Reserve

The only major big game animal there is the Fallow Deer
It has two species of macropods that can be hunted: Tasmanian Pademelon and Bennett’s Wallaby
Flinders Island, which is nearby, is home to Cape Barren Goose, Indian Peafowl and Feral Turkeys
There is also various native duck species, Tasmanian Brown Quail, Rabbit and Pheasant

[patent agate]

I'd love that. Would I go there irl? No. Tiger snakes. But in a game I'd freaking love t

[mighty rampart]

10 months

[dire prism]

Dawg they have like a year long development cycle and it only serious gained traction and got noticed by the devs back in like July. We can probably expect something for an africa reserve like this next year, maybe as the summer reserve.

Hell they probably had Salzwiesen planned starting as far back as Spring of this year, probably May or April.

[deft egret]

id rather wait a little extra for a spectacular africa 2.0 rather than one that is a bit rushed, let them cook in due time

[old saffron]

Yeah I never expected an Africa reserve till at the earliest 2025! I am hoping it’s the summer map

Plus I’ve been wanting a red fox GO for forever so no way can I be mad 😂 I’m looking forward to it!

[sick zodiac]

Trust me, snakes ain't that much of a problem

[patent agate]

I have some rawhide gaiters but those snakes are much bigger than the rattlers I'm used to

[late pond]

Same my wife n I love hunting them n we might finally get a G1 for the 1st time 🤞 😅🤞

[old saffron]

good luck to both you and your wife! hope you both get the coats you want most!! i probably wont ever see a G1 since I'm not a really good grinder but im just so hyped to see all the coats they get and watch some of the youtubers grab them lol

[late pond]

We dont grind we just always seem to find them while walking from place to place excluding drink zones when we night hunt 😅 But thanks we'll need it.

[old saffron]

well hope you get them either way! im hoping to find at least a nice looking piebald on the new map, im looking forward to how the redo the models since i wasnt expecting it since red foxes already look great! cant imagine them looking any better!

[late pond]

I do agree esp the multi mount with the grey & red fox i cant imagine what more they can do unless they are floofy like thar?

[old saffron]

no clue! i guess they just still made them look even better somehow, cant wait to see how the one piebald i already have in my lodge looks afterward.

[late pond]

Sadly if I recall the mounts we have will remain as the old model you'll have to add a new one with the new model unless they made a change to it 😓

[old saffron]

ohhh i didnt know that i thought they retroactively upgraded

[late pond]

in the past they didn't sadly but idk if its something they'll update this time around. We'll see after the update if they appear differenty or not.

I've been working on a predator only lodge for sometime now and honestly as happy as I am for the red fox update I really wish coyotes were getting TLC bc they are hideous and sickly. I feel ashamed having them on display 😓

Lions need love as well but they are tolerable till a new Africa reserve is presented.

[mighty rampart]

Hmm

[patent agate]

Just had this thought but they could expand Saseka into a mini reserve/ lodge. Jackals, scrub hare, and springbok would be a really good start on a game list of 7 to 12 animals.

Depending on locations it could have some of the tiny ten, caracal, guinea fowl, porcupines, honey badgers. . .

Would this be enough to hold you over til Africa 2.0 is released?

[dire prism]

imo a very good idea would be to do mini-lodges with smaller reserves if we get more maps like Salzwiesen

Could be a mix of the layton lodge and the Parque lodge; locked positions/plaques for species on that reserve but with multiple poses and multimount opportunities.

Would work fantastic for an Africa reserve with the Tiny Ten, all class 1-2.

[patent agate]

Yeah, that's what I mean. You'd have a few displays for animals and guns, some small game animals to practice with before a full map and maybe one or two class 3-6 size animals in a small population. Help explore options and add some useful reserve themed gear

[mortal rain]

I’d prefer a full size parque lodge, that style is really interesting to me.

[patent agate]

Parque kinda does have it's own lodge, it's cool, but it feels like you're just the interior designer. Not making your home yours

[tall shoal]

If you fill the parque lodge can you still put the trophy’s from the parque lodge in your main lodge?

[mortal rain]

Yes

[patent agate]

Thinking of Parque, I love the. 338 from it. I don't remember them ever mentioning there was a weapon with it and it doesn't show up in the storage.

Tbh, I'd love if Africa 2.0 did it too. No mention of it unless you complete a story line and you get a .375 variation with a clawed and chewed up look to it. Maybe an old ivory bead on the front sight or something. Nothing too special but unique and a good feel

[untold maple]

Should Bluebuck be a very rare fur variant for sable?
Thoughts?

[patent agate]

Whoever drew that needs to look at more sable before drawing the face, but yes

[final current]

I’m guessing that piece was based on one of the few taxidermic specimen like this one

[patent agate]

Taxidermy has come a long way

[final current]

Oh yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the bluebuck had a body shape similar to the Sable and Roan but on a smaller scale since they are the smallest species within the Hippotragus genus

[untold maple]

Well I just learned something interesting

In Namibia, you can legally hunt seals(fur seals to be exact). It’s not heavily advertised like everything else in Namibia but apparently you can hunt one

[patent agate]

#1309529559066214552 guys please check if you want to say for the .375

[patent agate]

Can't say I'd go to Namibia just for seals but it might be an interesting diversion. What would you even get from it?

[untold maple]

A unique taxidermy mount and very cool skull
Also maybe they taste good? most likely not, but who knows

Or you can do some leather craft with the hide. Make a nice sporran or a pair of gloves

[patent agate]

All I can imagine is red meat that tastes like fish and it makes my head hurt

[dire prism]

i've heard it described as fishy venison but with an iodine taste

[deft egret]

as much as i want seals id prefer them in an arctic environment and i cant see EW introducing them for an african map

[untold maple]

It’s definitely the least likely animal to be added to an African map, but it’s too interesting not to mention it on this thread

[deft egret]

true! i didnt know there were seals in africa at all so kudos

[mortal rain]

Africa is actually pretty famous for its seal populations, especially in the shark world, important spot for Great Whites.

[dire prism]

cape fur seals in namibia and south africa make up a massive portion of their diet iirc

[deft egret]

oh wow

[dire flume]

They already teased this summer is a snowy map

[old saffron]

Whoops I got them mixed up I meant the winter map, my brain made the snowy one the winter map since. Yk. Hahaha

Hopefully the Africa map is the Winter map ^^

[dire flume]

I do too but I’m expecting another half size map bc they never confirmed 2 full size maps they just said 2 maps but there’s no way we don’t have it by the next summer

[old saffron]

Ya if Africa 2 is the winter map then I assume the snowy summer one would be the smaller map

[deft egret]

Africa 2 under the assumption the begin working on that like, now? Seemingly after Jaxy said that Africa 2.0 wasn't under development as of right now on stream - but then again, he could've been lying to keep it under wraps

[patent agate]

A half size Africa map as a holdover for A2 would be okay with me, it would give us a preview of the animals and environments they'd almost certainly use in the big map

[patent agate]

Might not be a lie, they may be keeping the team fully focused on the Dec release for now, they might use the opportunity to split the team as well, half working on finalizing the summer maps and half on the winter map with other looking into research for 2.0

[old saffron]

I presume they’re still working on the summer map mainly along with finishing touch wise on the one that’s about to drop, and aren’t really focusing on the winter one, so it isn’t “in development”. Isn’t too far a stretch to me

And honestly I’d rather our second African map not be a small one personally. I think small maps are better suited for a lot of the continents we’ve explored pretty well

Not like I’m holding out 100% it Is an African map the summer one anyway, I’m just (a responsible amount) hoping it is

Me saying “first African map” by mistake sorry Savanna for dissing you like that on accident 😂

[patent agate]

Vurhonga is like the first pancake from a batch, it's never going to be perfect but you get better the more you make

[old saffron]

Haha yeah Savannah is def the map that shows EW’s improvement in both map making and animal modeling.

I think after 1-2 full sized African maps they can do a small one. I think there’s a reason there’s a thread talking about missed oppurities with the new map animal wise and it’s because EW will probs only add 1-3 new animals per small map to save the time and energy for the upcoming large one. I just don’t think the second African map will at all be able to do much with that and it’s better to continue to do European or North American small maps where using mainly already made animals is easier.

[patent agate]

Now, what if the second map in that trailer is an outback or desert (rancho type) ? Do we count that as close enough to African scrubland to say it means they've improved how a map could look?

[old saffron]

I think they’ve already proved pretty well they’ve defiantly stepped up their map making game even without similar biomes imo I have 0 doubt a new African map would both function as a map and look better then savannah

• we do have emerald coast and we can use parts of that map to get a rough idea if u really do need similar looking biomes to make a judgement

[patent agate]

EC is my favorite map by far, Sundarpatan didn't quite hit for me but there's something to be said for the leopard rarity and mechanics

[old saffron]

I love both, though sundarpartan is a little harder for me to play since tiger jumpscares hahahaha

[patent agate]

I haven't been jumpscared yet, they just never take me by surprise because you can always hear them coming

[old saffron]

It’s more so when they suddenly start growling at me, not really “jumpscare” but more I hate the anticipation between the tiger spotting me and then pouncing me lol

[deft egret]

i like emerald coast cus thats the map that feels the most ''rough'' to me, i like sundarpatan and the animals but it felt like a tourist attraction to me

[patent agate]

I would love a mechanic where a an African leopard would maybe one out 20 times turn and stalk you, silently, until it attacks.

I hear the growling, find the cat and answer with a .470 bullet most times anyway s tigers have lost their shock value for me

[dire prism]

1,400 upvotes as of 9;24 P.M. USMDT on November 22, 2024!

[untold maple]

🎉🎉

[untold maple]

Yeah but now a couple of orcas are scarring off all the great whites

[mortal rain]

1,400!

What a long road it has been! Impala tacos anyone?

[dire prism]

Impacos

[untold maple]

Warthog smoked ribs
Cape buffalo brisket
Smoked guinea fowl with white sauce

Apparently you can get lion meat in Mexico, so you can get lion tacos

[mortal rain]

Lemon dove poppers

Zanzibar pizza

[dire prism]

I wonder if you could make a wellington out of eland

[untold maple]

South African charcuterie board

[dire prism]

comes with a shotgun to fend off all those bastard baboons and vervets

[mortal rain]

Then they go right on to the grill

[untold maple]

The Doom cover art but it’s a guy fighting off baboons from his bush pig anti pasta

[dire prism]

hes got a plate of food in one hand and hes using a 12GA like a club in the other to punt one of those impetulent little sh*ts into the stratosphere lmao

[trail loom]

Not relevant to africa (Regards to safari's though) but there's a game today that just released where you play as animals from pleistocene california (La Brea). I was playing with friends and more or less cannibalized this melanistic smilodon/saber-toothed cat and it died in too perfect of a pose to not screenshot it and make this edit with a .577 nitro lol

also for anyone curious the particular species weighed some ~450 pounds on average and the largest fossil specimen of fatalis would have been a little over 600lbs

[patent agate]

Hey, a while back you showed some leather with a really nice kudu engraved on it, what was the engraver you used? I want to do a really nice case for my. 416

[untold maple]

Monport mega

They have a Black Friday sale that ends in two days, if you’re gonna get one now is the time

[patent agate]

Dunno how relevant this is for this particular thread but since it's a pretty popular cartridge in Africa . . .

#1309791239595364362

[manic vigil]

sorry to go offtopic from Africa, but i love that game. been playing it a good bit as the Antique Bison

[trail loom]

Oh cool. Yea it's pretty fun. The bison players stopped being so aggressive after they realized smilodon can take them out in one go with neck bites.

[dire flume]

Just curious what would yall opinion be on a half sized Africa map with no big 5 before a Africa map with all of them like a map with mostly antelope I’m thinking about making a suggestion about it

[mortal rain]

A plains game map set in the western cape would be great

[mighty rampart]

I’m starting to like the idea of a small style Africa map

[patent agate]

You could totally theme that for a bow hunter's reserve and show off some new antelopes up close and personal.

In fact, here's an idea for a unique weapon. It's a bow made from gemsbok horns, they typically have an 80 ish pound draw weight. It doesn't have to be the reserves main weapon but a hidden unlock

[old saffron]

i said it upwards a bit but i dont think we should get a small african map until we have 1-2 more large full sized ones

so yes id like one and it sounds appealing but not right now

[patent agate]

So, we're getting a .375 (finally)

I'm now wondering, what else do we need?

My personal choices would be a .416 bolt action with a 3rd magazine and the Malmer's reload animations.

A 9.3x74r Double Rifle, (either side by side or over under, with scopes)

Last, a .405 Winchester 1895 with a tang mounted peep sight that flips up like the Gandhare sight

[mortal rain]

A big ol’ sharps rifle too, .50-110 or .50-90

.585 Nyati, Nyati means cape buffalo in Swahili so it gives you a rough idea of what this cartridge is capable of.

.458 LOTT for obvious reasons, the final thing we need in our selection of single shotsz

.72 cal muzzleloader. Need I say more?

[trail loom]

I'd like to see a bigger double rifle like .577 or 600 and either .458 lott or .416 rigby for the final boss of bolt actions

[untold maple]

I’m gonna go with a ruger No 1 tropical in 458, a Winchester 1895 in 405(I’m particularly loud about that one), and the westly richards 425(but maybe in a different caliber like 416)

So basically the Dagga boy blaster pack

[patent agate]

Here's what I want whe MN I'm saying 9.3x74r. 5-9 so it has way more than just Safari use if I wanna feel fancy just trolling around Hirsch

[trail loom]

750gr and 2500fps, that’s monstrous.

[untold maple]

Anyone remember when EW redacted the Africa 2.0 map being the last map?

[mental flicker]

wdym

[mortal rain]

Yeah, multiple times

[patent agate]

I don't think they did it officially but they haven't said 'last map' in ages now. Maybe 6 months?

[haughty nimbus]

Yea i remember Jaxy saying they were open to it not being last but never confirmed it wouldn't be. Even if the big 5 is last, they will definitely make another Africa map before then.

[mighty rampart]

Doubt it will be last.

Probably a few African maps possible.

[haughty nimbus]

Hopefully it's not. I know how bad you want it.

[patent agate]

I'd say between 4 and 5 counting vurhonga and not counting mini reserves

[trail loom]

I mean Jaxy said the game has a lot of life left so I hope it's not the last. I'm not tryna wait another 3+ years

[deft egret]

i think they might be at least preparing for development of africa 2.0, there's been more than enough noise made for at least some looking into it, but it'll probably take some time

[patent agate]

#1310661669269278761

A new .338 idea,

[main knot]

I think it does, plus there's so many animal, gun, ammo, and just game reworks in general that could make it so much better (also a G1 Mule deer)

[patent agate]

100 animals, and 25 ish calibers, so many reworks needed. Oh and

#1310736089585156156

[mighty rampart]

Absolutely

[untold maple]

I remember we talked about leopards being like tigers but I have a question?
What should be the population of leopards?

[mortal rain]

8-15 would be fine.

Somewhere inbetween tigers and snow leopards should suffice imo

[trail loom]

They're extremely hard to hunt on foot and bait is really the only way I see anyone hunt them nowa days, so yea, inbetween tigers and snow leopards would be suitable.

[untold maple]

I was thinking 15 to 20.

[patent agate]

What'd you think of the .375's sights?

[dire prism]

imo they're nice for target acquisition; the sides of the rear post give a gate for you to pick out a single animal and set the front post on it

[patent agate]

I'm not sold on them yet, I'm worried they'll blend in too much like the .300's

[untold maple]

I thought it looked the best out of the three, but ultimately I’m gonna use a scope for it and use the martini Henry and 470 for open sights hunting

[patent agate]

I'll probably keep the Ascent on it, it feels like a DG scope, or at least close enough

[untold maple]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

Also I think my stance on the new dog might change, if it’s good for snow leopard like Jaxy said in the stream I might just get it

[patent agate]

Can't see myself using the dog, I just don't play that way.

Salz probably won't be great for me either, I'm not a fan of birds but I really wanted that shotgun tho

[untold maple]

Yeah I’m with you on that, the only thing that’s big game is the weapons pack. And we choose those ones so it’s nothing new. It feels like everything they added was specifically for small game hunters

[buoyant cosmos]

Tbh I have a feeling that Salz is gonna be the absolute best map to grind for Pheasants if you’re into that. Plus, it’ll be a great map for Foxes, Raccoons, Rabbits, and likely Raccoon Dogs as well.

[late pond]

My wife n I are goin to go nuts with the fox. I'm also hoping the classes were arranged after our requests, but to my surprise they all had ridiculous stability control. I'm defn. going to make good use of the package. & if nothing else my wife n I will have a hay day hunting quail in Mississippi with the shorthair. As for SP it looks like its about 3/4 the size of Mississippi's reserve.

The upside is I'm anxious to see more reserves like it with NA & African C:1-3 Game. Might have hope for burrows for Rabbits, Badgers, Prairie Dogs, & Meerkats 👀

[mighty void]

I've been away for a while and this thing has 1416 upvotes, congrats people's

[patent agate]

If they'd give me the option too I'd buy the shotgun separately

[deft egret]

I don't hunt small game at all in the game but any map that gives me the option to do that exclusively im all in for, spice things up a bit 👍 Will enjoy

[mighty void]

90% of this thread is big game it seems, I Manley go for small game personally

[deft egret]

i personally lock in on a single animal for a period of time until i get some nice out of it, a diamond/rare

[late pond]

Well like @patent agate mentioned "The Tiny Ten" & other C: 1-3 game on an African ver. of SP would be a great idea.

SP is a start & I have no doubt will be popular. With that said it opens opportunities for EW to add 2 US small reserves: •1 w/ our Upland Birds & fur bearer species •2 with our waterfowl including cranes, Africa's Tiny Ten, etc.

However, if this is going to be an addition map concept w/small game in mind moving fwd. I'd like to see more small game calibers as well. 17HMR, FN5.7, 22H, 410ga (w/slugs), 28ga, 204 Ruger, PCP's, etc.

[untold maple]

Randomly got to the top

[patent agate]

Try looking up blue duiker and suni antelope. You'll find plenty of small game in Africa

[mighty void]

I did not say that they're is none I just said that most people here prefer big game

[patent agate]

Not saying you did, just that there's a lot more small game than you'd think in Africa and 90%is more interesting than the rest of the world

[mighty void]

Mostly because everything else is extinct now

[patent agate]

Blue duiker

[glad loom]

Anybody noticed there is a zeroing change animation on .375? Look at bottom left on the gun when Jaxy switches zeroing.

[patent agate]

Leaf sights when he's changing zero, like the .470

[mighty void]

Mostly because everything else is extinct now

[patent agate]

There's an 8 pound antelope the same size as a cottontail rabbit

[mighty void]

No I mean on other continents but I agree

[untold maple]

This bull was sold at a wildlife auction in SA, how much do you think he sold for?…it’s a lot

[buoyant cosmos]

A few million Rand I’d wager?

[untold maple]

168 million Rand(9.3 million dollars)

[patent agate]

High potential for trophy calves so you'd expect a lot of cash

[mortal rain]

450,000 USD

Shidddd.

He’s better than the diamonds we have ingame!

[mighty rampart]

H

[patent agate]

H? I'm confused, is this a British thing?

Also, met a British fella when I went to pick up a couple boxes of .44s this morning. Man was absolutely flabbergasted by a lever action .357

[deft egret]

i believe this was mentioned during the winter stream, its subtle but very cool

[mortal rain]

I’ve been down a rabbit hole recently, and I’m curious what we would think of Rhodesian Ridgeback hunting? Active tracking for large predators.

[patent agate]

the dogs are amazing irl and I'd love to own a small pack but I don't care for dogs in game tho

[deft egret]

COTW wouldn't be able to do their amazing capabilities justice

[mortal rain]

We’d have to see, given pointers are able to track 1-9 (except predators) to my knowledge.

[untold maple]

Jaxy said something about how the German pointer is gonna be really good for snow leopard, so maybe not all predators but just the really dangerous ones

[mortal rain]

I meant to say large predators as that’s what was specified

[untold maple]

Tiny ten multi mount

[mighty void]

All Predators above class 6 or class 6 and above Predators, one of those two

[patent agate]

Hey, quick question for anyone who knows, what bullet would be really effective on a leopard of about 120 pounds, male

Shot is totally broadside, animal is distracted

[trail loom]

From all the reading I did in the past .300 is your friend. I think majority of countries you can hunt leopard in, the .300 is not only greenlit but one of the recommended picks. Hornady recommends 220gr for .30 cal on dangerous game but if you have a perfect broadside, bait, etc.. and a wounded leopard is out of the question 180gr would be just fine too.

And also you always want to use expanding bullets like a soft point (maybe hollow point?) because cats have thin skin and you want to damage their nervous system to put them out of it.

this should open a playlist by Craig Boddington, it's probably well worth a watch if this has to do with your Africa trip I heard you talk about. (There's a couple videos dedicated to lions which you can skip)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Ic7xKa4Kw&list=PLt0FziY2ifxcTSrwyON7_oGIWVc4cGXK1

[patent agate]

Not exactly, I just folded a 156 pound cougar with a .30-30 from 75 yards. Used a 170gr hornady interlock and it destroyed both shoulder blades and ripped the lungs out.

I wasn't using a special load, just something I picked up at a little shop here the other day. The cat didn't even thrash, just went stiff and shook a few seconds.

Given what that cat did, I think soft points would be fairly effective on light predators like leopards and lions.

[frail schooner]

Hi, quick question to those who are more-versed in buffalo hunting than I am: is the .577 Tyrannosaur cartridge used actively for hunting dangerous game like cape buffaloes? I've read that it's used by some guides to stop charges, but I can't find anything about people actually using it as their dedicated hunting cartridge. Clearly it's enough to drop them, but I'm writing up a suggestion for a weapon pack DLC and I wanted to make sure that it makes sense to include before I posted it

[dire prism]

it's more of a stopping rifle than anything to my knowledge; the rifles chambered in it are usually ungodly heavy and impractical due to the reinforcing they need to function

[frail schooner]

Ah, that makes sense. What would you suggest as a good competitor to the current .470?

[trail loom]

wym not exactly? I said soft points are preferred and the video I sent said deer rifles work well. I don't see the part where you disagree

[mortal rain]

600NE, .416 Rigby, .577NE would be great options

[dire prism]

Well, in terms of energy and feasibility bigger express cartridges like .500 and .600 NE as Liam said. .416 Rigby too.

The big bore Weatherbies are also an option. .416 and .460 Weatherby each exceed 6000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy

[trail loom]

.577 NE would be pretty cool

[dire prism]

I think he miscommunicated and confused part of your post with one above it or misread it. I've done the same thing myself several time.

[mortal rain]

.585 Nyati or .458 LOTT would be my personal pick though

[dire prism]

I'm personally partial to .416 Weatherby magnum just because of the absurd power it lays out as a belted magnum.

[trail loom]

maybe it was the ".300 is a good choice" part. If you shoot a leopard from inside a blind at a bait-site with 0 adrenaline running through its body you can shoot it with whatever you want. I just know there was an instance of a wounded leopard mauling every single person of a 6 hunter group so it's better to never underprepare in the slightest, in velocity or joules. Cougars dont pull that stuff. They might be bigger but it's like comparing a bison to a cape.

[dire prism]

Personally if I were to ever go hunting leopards I'm taking my uncle's .416 Weatherby magnum; 6,400 ft-lbs of muzzle energy with a 350gr bullet is overkill, for sure, but im not taking my chances with a cat like that.

[trail loom]

Me either. .458 win mag for me unless I ever get it rechambered to lott for the hell of it. In that case I'd bring 220gr for my sako .300 win mag.

I wouldn't underprepare when I would prefer to track the leopard on foot if I could find a PH that does that. Cat already has all the advantages it could want in that context

[untold maple]

I would choose 458 Lott as a competitor for the 470

[trail loom]

Yea, would be good. But at the same time it's kind of a bolt action .470 with more reach. .416 or .404 jeffery would be better in the sense that you still get extra power and pen with the .470

[patent agate]

Sorry, I wrote soft points but I meant hollow points. Given that leopards are roughly similar builds to cougars I was thinking a hollowpoint could do more hydrostatic shock than soft points. It might do more damage to the hide but it would expand very well and tear into the lungs better, the soft point I used was effective yeah but it didn't leave me much of a blood trail (granted it just rolled down the hill ten feet or so)

I think a hollow point might be a better initial shot with follow ups being soft points

[trail loom]

Yea I figured hollow points would work perfect I just didn't recall if I read anything on it. Had to include them in the message one way or another

[patent agate]

I shot this cat under livestock protection but I still have an active tag so I'm gonna try to get another one with hollow points. I wanna see if the hollow point will give me a better blood trail or at least do a lot of cavity damage that the soft point didn't

This isn't quite the model, but I found new production .444 rifles. I don't have a .45-70 atm but I'm considering ordering one of these .444s for bigger animals

[trail loom]

I have a .450 marlin that looks similar. It's a pretty cool rifle, at least to me it's quite light.

[patent agate]

My .30-30 is a Marlin 336, I've beet working on it for years so it's like 5 pounds loaded now. I'm just a fan of lever actions lol

[mighty rampart]

Back to Africa today!

[patent agate]

Catch a few poachers for all of us!

Seriously tho, good luck out there and stay safe

[untold maple]

Back into the bush

[buoyant cosmos]

If I hunt in Africa I don’t care about getting the Big 5 or the Plains Game Slam, I want to get the Tiny 10 (plus maybe some Springhaas).

[mortal rain]

I want atleast 10 springhares spread out around my house If I ever go back

[dire prism]

If I ever go im gonna cosplay as W. D. M. Bell and bring my Enfield for plains game lmao

[mortal rain]

You can’t cosplay as WDM Bell if you don’t taken atleast 1 elephant with the enfield

[dire prism]

damn, that's a shame cause I never plan on going after elephant 😂

[mortal rain]

😂

[dire prism]

I'd honestly mainly go for plains game and smaller game so I'd be taking like the Enfield, my .30-30, and a .22 of some kind.

Probably return at some point with my uncle's weatherby after the bigger names like cape buffalo and the like.

[mortal rain]

Plains game and small game is the only thing that’s viable for me.

I do not have enough room for a hippo mount of any kind.

[buoyant cosmos]

I didn’t even know they existed until I saw one at a Wildlife Museum in Tucson. It’s since shut down but I’ve been interested in them ever since, and apparently most South African ranches offer hunts or pest control for them.

[dire prism]

Would also be a good reason to bring a .45-70

Would love to take an Eland with a .45-70 at some point.

[mortal rain]

I always thought eland minimum was .375, weird

But it’s .308 or .300WM apparently

[dire prism]

yeah they have fairly large gaps between the ribs ig so not as much risk of bone blocking the shot

Plus I think the ammo used for the ones I know of was either Hornady or Underwood +P 300gr JHPs, which have like 3,400-3,600ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle lmao

[mortal rain]

Taking the largest antelope in the world with THE cowboy gun must be a wicked feeling

[dire prism]

An old black powder straightcase being able to reach only 500 ft-lbs behind .375 H&H is wild

Like I know how powerful .45-70 is, but it's just crazy.

[dire prism]

🇺🇸 🦅

[untold maple]

It would be fun to hunt in Africa with a 45-70 and some other unique guns
Just saw a video of a guy who brought a sharps rifle

[patent agate]

Nice, I'm only doing a few plains game but I'm taking my .30-30 and my .300wm. All I want is a really nice impala and a hartebeest of some type

[untold maple]

I know that’s what you want but speaking from experience, plan for an unexpected surprise. It happens a lot

[patent agate]

Might take the .416 instead of the. 300

[patent agate]

We could absolutely use blinds like this, set up on water sources for bow hunts and I assume handgun hunts as well.

[deft egret]

just read wdm bell again and now i want elephants even more

[trail loom]

I notice on the .375 the effective range stat is 200. So that means keep in mind the stats it's showing like pen and whatnot are even less than at the standard 150

[deft egret]

meh, it double lunged a yak at 400m itll be very good

[trail loom]

..Yea? That's kind of the point I made.

I said keep in mind the bullet stats are taken from a different distance than the .338 before you make a direct comparison through that.

[deft egret]

oh u did sorry english is not my first language i read it the other way

[manic vigil]

I have a massive Lion rework idea I'm gonna repost from my ideas forum. I need to send it in multiple parts so just hang tight y'all. Here we go!

Lion Rework

Details

Lions have been in TheHunter: Call of the Wild for nearly 6 years now, being added in the Lion Update on February 5th, 2019. They are one of my favorite species to hunt in the game, and I have several diamond trophies of the species. Despite this, the lions we currently have in the game have their issues and things that could be improved upon, and I have many ideas for how these things could be improved to make the lions of TheHunter: Call of the Wild more modernized and on par with animals on the newer maps in terms of quality, especially the Bengal Tigers and Snow Leopards of Sundarpatan.

Remodel and Fur Rework
While the current lion model in the game isn't necessarily a bad model (it actually worked really well for when it released), there's so many ways it could be improved upon considering how much better the devs have gotten at making models for the animals. First off, different mane sizes based off of level would be nice to see. All lions in the game currently, no matter their size, all have the same mane, so it would be nice to see variations based off of the animal's level. Even different mane variations for each level would be nice to see too so that each lion will feel unique in some way. Another big issue with the lion model is its face. Notable issues of the face are that the eyes are too small and too spread apart from one another, the face is missing some fur patterns around the eyes, the face is overall too wide, the chin could be slightly wider, the nose is the wrong shape slightly, the mane needs to blend with the fur on the face better, and the ears need to be a different shape a little. Lastly, the head overall could be slightly larger. With these improvements, referenced from real lions, the model could look a lot better.

As for a fur rework, we'll first go back to the mane. The fur on the mane is all the same color on the current model, but this isn't what it looks like on actual lions. On actual lions, there's many different strands of fur with varying different colors. The mane overall has different colors too, and can vary from lion to lion (this is something I'll cover more when I get to variations). As for the rest of the body, the lion's fur is actually too colorful. On the males especially, they're too golden and orange. Instead, they should be more of a brown color, which is something seen on real lions. Lionesses also need to be more of a darker brown color too, and should have some light tan/white fur around the neck. Both genders should have some more white fur around the chin, muzzle, and bottom jaw too. The tuft of fur on the tail needs to be a darker brown too. For fur variations, here's what I have down below:

Common:
Brown (Your typical lion, with brown fur and a dark brown mane)
Tan (Less orange and golden than the current Tan ingame. Also a tan mane that's mostly the same color as the body)
Uncommon:
Blonde (Not a white lion, just a lion with a more blonde mane and fur)
Rare:
Timbavati White (Based off of the white lions at Timbavati Private Nature Reserve in South Africa, these lions are white with some patches of very light brown/blonde fur. Males have manes that are a light brown color)
Erythristic (Would be very similar to the Tan fur type, but a more ginger/reddish fur color)
Leucistic (A lion with completely white fur. Differs from the Timbavati White because it doesn't have the light brown/blonde fur patches. The mane is completely white too. Differs from the Albino fur type because its eyes and nose colors are the same as the other lion fur types except for Albino)
Very Rare:
Albino (A lion with all white fur, a pink nose, and blue eyes. The rarest fur type for the animal that isn't a Fabled fur type for my upcoming Great One Lion ideas)

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AI Rework
Recently, the Bengal Tiger was added to the game, and it had a huge breakthrough in animal AI in the game. It featured something new that no other predatory animal in the game was able to do, which was hunt the player when the player was nearby. Even though lions were added to the game long before Bengal Tigers, they weren't given AI like this, since the dev team was much smaller and the animal AI in the game was that advanced yet. So, to start this part off, we need a hunting system for the lions. On occasion, they can take down other animals on the savanna when they're hungry. Similar to the tigers, a system where the lions hunt the player when the player is close would be really great to see too, as there has been maneating lions in the past, most notably the Tsavo Man-Eaters of Kenya, a pair of male lions that killed dozens upon dozens of construction workers in 1898. Another big improvement for lion AI in the game would be prides. Prides are large groups of lions, usually led by one or two male lions. Currently, lions ingame are usually alone or in small groups of 3 - 5 individuals. To improve upon this, lion prides of about 13 - 17 individuals, with mostly females and 1 or 2 males, would be nice to see. Lone male lions and lion bachelor groups (groups consisting of multiple males) would be nice to see too.

Audio Rework
Personally, only one thing really needs to be changed with the sounds lions make in the game, and that's the addition of their iconic roar. It could be implemented as the mating call for lions ingame, since these roars are very loud and can travel for long distances. Here's a few videos showing of these roars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFcZhH_wFbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhfunJftVtc

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Great One Lions
The last thing I think would be needed for a lion rework is the addition of Great One Lions. Great One Lions are something the community has been asking for a long time and is something I'd really love to see ingame. The devs could do a lot with Great One Lion variations, especially with the manes. There could be variants with absolutely massive manes, some with shorter manes, and so on. Fur variants could be very beautiful too. Perhaps the devs could even look in the past, with the massive manes of the Barbary Lions that formerly lived in northern Africa, or even the gigantic Cave Lions and American Lions that roamed Eurasia and North America during the late Pleistocene epoch. I'd love to see y'all's ideas for different Great One Lion variations!

That concludes my ideas for a Lion Rework in the game. Let me know what ideas y'all have too!

Below are many images, including the current lion model ingame, variations of lions in real life, images of lions hunting and prides, and Barbary Lions and reconstructions of Cave Lions/American Lions for possible Great One variants

[trail loom]

The face isn't too wide, the mane just doesn't cover enough of it. If you look at a lioness for example their heads are pretty fat, the males just have a thinner looking face because the mane crawls up

[manic vigil]

ah

[trail loom]

Lions have pretty wide skulls. But yea the lion needs a TLC. It will get one when an update suits it, Jaxy said they won't randomly go back and redo stuff, they're working it in with new content, which seems to just be a new reserve that includes it or a great one at the moment

[manic vigil]

hopefully it comes with Africa 2.0 whenever it releases

[trail loom]

Yea

[mortal rain]

What I want most out of a great one lion is

• unburnt powder marks

• scarring

• old gunshot wounds

[trail loom]

If a new reserve has lions, they'll get a rework. They're old enough. That isn't going to be a concern thankfully

[manic vigil]

yeah

[trail loom]

Cape buffalo are most in need out of the african species imo. They mistook the hard palate thing cape buffalo have going on for pearly white buck teeth

[manic vigil]

it might just be the angle but it looks like Cape Buffalo are missing those front teeth on the bottom jaw

[trail loom]

They dont have front teeth on their skull like the ingame does

[trail loom]

It's not the angle, they don't have front teeth on their jaw.

[manic vigil]

ah

[untold maple]

The peak of insanity

[deft egret]

why do the cape buffalo get denture implants from turkey in cotw

[patent agate]

We talked about this before didn't we? Is that Texas?

[untold maple]

Yes, We did talk about that. And I’m pretty sure it’s South Africa, I found it on a hunting and game breeding thing on facebook(it’s where I found the white bongo and all the others)

[patent agate]

I'm actually surprised, if it was Texas I'd kind of expect it, but I guess they're fun after all!

[mighty void]

Could you show the white bongo?

[untold maple]

Here you go

Some more white animals I’ve found

[deft egret]

sniping baboons would be awesome

[patent agate]

#1312560795821019177

Y'all can participate too, it might be helpful

Also, we got like a hundred upvotes since the last time I looked, what happened?!

1500 by Christmas

[mighty rampart]

This so Awsome

[manic vigil]

Thanks

[warm shadow]

Central African rainforest map is a must at this point

[patent agate]

Kuland, a kudu eland hybrid, would be an awesome rare trophy

[untold maple]

If we’re talking hybrids then here is the zonkey, a nyala kudu hybrid, watchwe, and a sable roan hybrid

And a gemsbok addax hybrid

[plucky quarry]

We are approaching 1500 allies

[patent agate]

It'll be 1500 by Christmas

[untold maple]

We need to keep this at the top for the best chance of this getting to 1500

[patent agate]

How would it not be? We keep this thread on top just from random conversations about everything and anything remotely related to Africa

Also, this might be a dumb ask, but what do y'all think about baobab wood being an option with an Africa themed cosmetics dlc?

[dire prism]

me want baobab wood

[mighty void]

Idc about this about baobab wood but I want baobab trees

[patent agate]

I LOVE IT

[native nymph]

has anyone said anything about adding waterbuck to this? they are in zimbabwe aswell

[trail loom]

(Unfortunately) the thread is not about Zimbabwe anymore I don’t think, it’s just a thread for a new Africa map containing at least some members of the big five/dangerous seven. It can be anywhere so people can talk about any antelope they’d like to see

[native nymph]

Ah well I’d definitely like to see waterbuck because they are just such a cool animal to see

[mighty rampart]

Yes and no, I would prefer to see Africa 2 in Zimbabwe, but equally I’m not picky as long as we get the big species

[patent agate]

If we get an African theme cosmetics pack, what do you guys wanna see in it? I'm up for baobab wood grain and antique bluing for metal colors

[warm shadow]

I hope the next African map is jungle and rainforest not savanna

[sick zodiac]

We need savanna before jungle

[warm shadow]

We already have a savanna map though. It’s literally in the name

[sick zodiac]

But it doesn't acknowledge the true savanna

Lesser kudu and teal in areas where they don't live. Rhinos, hippos, elephants and leopards are preferred, yet Vurhonga gave nothing

[warm shadow]

Id rather see jungle with some more open flood plains areas than another savanna map

[sick zodiac]

It can happen after imo. Africa can easily have 3/4 maps

The reason this idea was created is to become the NEXT African map

[warm shadow]

I don’t see it getting two savanna maps. As for the whole kudu thing, yeah i agree its another reason why they should’ve used greater kudu. Atleast it would’ve made sense for South Africa

[sick zodiac]

So, do you think that this idea is not worth it? Vurhonga does NOT represent the actual savanna

Only 2/5 of the big 5 is in the reserve and Leopards, rhinos and elephants and hippos are extremely popular to hunt

[warm shadow]

Id say it’s pedantic to say it doesn’t represent a savanna environment. Do i want another African map? Absolutely, give me a few of em. but realistically, I don’t see us getting more than one more african map and if its gonna be the that way, id rather see jungle and floodplains rather than “real savanna this time!!”

[warm shadow]

As for the big 5, those can all still be on a jungle/ floodplains inspired map. Hell, you can even get a bit of savanna if the more recent maps have been any indication on the amount of environmental diversity they can shoehorn in

[sick zodiac]

Southern Africa is a hotspot for hunting and having a reserve that doesn't do it justice is wrong, but hey! Suit yourself

[warm shadow]

I agree vurhonga is wasted potential absolutely, but needing an entire new map in basically the same environment to “right the wrongs” seems like a waste when you can get those same animals you want one of the more unique environments compared to vurhonga whilst potentially still being able to get them there through backfilling in the future. That is if they do the big five at all but id say the chances of it happening are the highest theyve ever been

[mighty void]

Teal live they're but widgeon don't, also not every south African savanna has those animals they have quit fragmented ranges but I agree that a new better savannah map is needed

[trail loom]

A floodplains map would be cool but that’s not really your typical “big 5 safari” atmosphere. I don’t treat this thread as a “Vurhonga sucks” because the only problem I have with Vurhonga are the wigeons and outdated models, but aside from that it’s my favorite map.

We have plenty of maps with extremely similar environments just with their own uniqueness to them, I don’t see why africa can’t have another savanna.

If anything it’s just about EW, Africa is a gigantic continent with so much game to hunt across its countries, 1-2 maps is an injustice to it.

[patent agate]

I still fully believe you could put five maps in Africa and have them all be unique and amazing, not including vurhonga

[mighty void]

Me too, Tchad, Cameroon, south Africa, Tanzania easy

[glad loom]

I need help, I want to make an "African Loadout" with the new 375, what weapons would you guys recommend to add to the loadout that will cover remaining 1-6 classes? it could be rifle, shotgun, bow, whichever would suit to true African hunt, thank you! 👍

[trail loom]

I'm rocking 22 pistol, the big bore air rifle, .450 and .375

You can replace the air rifle with .243, or the .450 with the .270 or 30-06.

[glad loom]

Which one is more classic African hunting weapon irl tho?

[untold maple]

Take the 470 as a trophy/buff defense, a 30-06 for plains game, and then the 375 for lions and further away/non trophy buffalo

That’s what I’m gonna do

[trail loom]

All the ones I named are revered african tools (except the .22 pistol I guess)

[glad loom]

I guess I need a class 1 gun too, maybe a shotgun?

[mortal rain]

Longbow

[untold maple]

The 22 long rifle would be good. That way you can get scrub hare and jackals

[patent agate]

Alt the .30-06 for the .303, if it was good enough for a tsavo lion it'll be good on plains game

[untold maple]

Yeah, the 303 is a good choice. But it still needs a Lee enfild model

[patent agate]

I'm trying to negotiate buying an original Enfield with one of the guys in my gun club. He won't budge tho

[warm shadow]

How much he want?

[untold maple]

He won’t budge for an enfild?

[patent agate]

He won't sell it because his grandpa bought it and leaves it in a closet in his laundry room. He doesn't hunt with it, doesn't shoot it, doesn't care for it and I've tried asking him about it 3 times

At thus point I might just go ask his grandpa if I can buy it myself

[warm shadow]

At that point you’re probably better off just going on gunbroker and finding one on there

[dire prism]

ask his grandad directly; that guys not budging because he wants to wait to get it from the old man's will or estate sale then turn around and hock it or put it on something like gunbroker for a profit

[sick zodiac]

Yeah, a Morocco mini map would be cool also

[deft egret]

i did that today, added the rustic metal/scratched wood on the .375 and brought the .470 but brought the 30-30 instead. tiger/lion hunting was fun with iron sights 🔥

[untold maple]

And I used the 375 on cape buffalo earlier, immediate S tier weapon for sure

[dire prism]

it hitting this hard makes me wonder how absurd something like .458 Lott would be if it ever makes it to the game

[untold maple]

I’m really hopeful they add more dangerous game rifles soon

[trail loom]

Next on the chopping block imo should be another .40 probably.

.416, 404, 450 (rigby) or 458 preferably.

[patent agate]

Next weapon pack (I HOPE)

bolt action 3 round magazine chambered in .416 Rigby

Single shot .458 Lott

Lever action .405 Winchester

The Explorer's pack

[trail loom]

Single shot .458 lott would be pretty sweet

[patent agate]

Hope it's this style

[warm shadow]

Nice falling block

[untold maple]

Yeah I would imagine a ruger no 1 rifle will be seen in the future

[patent agate]

Lol I almost posted that Pic

[untold maple]

A Winchester 1895 also has a pretty good chance of being seen(it’s a fairly popular choice as requests go)

[untold maple]

It’s a good picture

[trail loom]

No engravings but the general build of the Winchester 1895 is quite aesthetic looking. In any case .458 lott being sort of a long ranged .470 makes it being a single shot balanced.

[patent agate]

I've said this before, but I'd like to reiterate, considering the size of the cartridges it's entirely possible to have an 1895 chambered in 9.3x62mm

Also yes please, no engravings just a rifle to put meat on the table

[untold maple]

How about if we get several versions of the Winchester 1895
Like the flintlock or the 20SA or the 270

[patent agate]

I could take that, Hunter, Soldier, and President types

[untold maple]

I’ll make a note of that on the Roosevelt Collection

[patent agate]

It makes sense I guess

Also I wanna mention the BLR ts a box fed lever action that can rum most big game cartridges. I wouldn't hide seeing it come to the game either

[mortal rain]

Canadian Arctic where art thou?

[untold maple]

Are you saying you want art on that post like I do on this one?

[patent agate]

Up north

[mortal rain]

If moose is ok with it, sure!

[untold maple]

I was confused by the word art
But am I missing something over there? Why have I been summoned?

[warm shadow]

It’s just an old way of saying “are”

[mortal rain]

The .405 was extensively used over on The Hunter Classic for Polar Bears in Whiterime Ridge

[untold maple]

I haven’t played classic so that makes more sense now

[warm shadow]

It was a classic

[mighty rampart]

The general consensus is that people want a proper Southern Africa map (that dos t I sat uk mean Savannah fyi) as those species feature all of the iconic animals we think about when talking about African game

Many many biomes in the south to choose from.

Including things you seem to want like river valleys, flood plains, swamps.

[warm shadow]

Vurhonga savanna was a half baked map i believe. Id just rather see an african jungle map then a savanna do over. BUT, that doesn’t mean that the big 5 have to be left out, especially considering how the recent maps have done a great job of including multiple different regions and biomes into a single map. Like how emerald coast has jungle and outback desert both.

But thats just my opinion Im not trying to convince anyone to change their mind. If we get a second African savanna map im gonna be happy too id just rather something else more

[final current]

Speaking of the African Jungles, the only Dangerous Game animals that could work for an African Rainforest Map are: Leopard, Forest Elephant (Smaller then Bush Elephants but still just as dangerous), Dwarf Forest Buffalo (Still dangerous), Hippopotamus and Crocodiles (West African or Nile, depends on where the map is set)

[mighty void]

That's a whole lot if you ask me

[warm shadow]

I agree

Another animal id consider to be somewhat dangerous from African jungles would be the mandril

Largest monkey species in the world

If they do a map inspired by cameroon they could also have spotted hyenas though they’d probably be more in open environments

[patent agate]

?

[untold maple]

The AH archives. You’ll find the 4 tusked elephant in there

But yeah, back in the day hunted gorillas and chimps

[patent agate]

Not a thing I would do, honestly. They are too human and I don't think it'd be worth it to kill one unless it was trying to kill me or someone else

[untold maple]

I wouldn’t do it because than I would be forever labeled as

That guy who shot a gorilla…the internet never forgets

[patent agate]

Eh, if a life is on the line idc if they hate me

[deft egret]

prince wilhelm 🔥 grandad had the privilege to be around when he came and hunted moose in the 40s

[untold maple]

Darn dyslexia strikes again!
I didn’t see the n’t

[trail loom]

If I was hunting leopard in the jungle or something and a gorilla was being aggressive I’d just submit to it. I’m not going to let its ignorance think it can challenge a bullet to the face, which imo it wouldn’t deserve. They’re just too human like for me. That goes for gibbons, chimps and orangutans too

[patent agate]

I'm fine with baboons cuz they remind me of a feral dog of some description and smaller monkeys are just registering as stretched squirrels for some reason

[trail loom]

Mandrills especially are beasty enough that I'd be pretty fond if they got added to cotw. I

[patent agate]

I'd have no issues, interesting animal and essentially a painted baboon

[warm shadow]

Thats an ape not a monkey

[patent agate]

I mean yeah but I didn't say it was a monkey

[warm shadow]

I see i see misunderstanding of the situation. Thought it was in response to my last comment about monkeys but nah it wasn’t. All good!

[patent agate]

Oh nah, just posted a weird Pic I saw when I was reading this morning

[warm shadow]

Yeah all good man 👍

[patent agate]

I just realized that Pic with the ape? That looks a lot like the new .375

[mighty void]

What did you think it was?

[patent agate]

I'm just pointing out how much it looks like the rifle we have in game now, not that I thought it was something else

[mighty void]

Still haven't really figured out what it is I think a gorilla? 🦍

[untold maple]

I’m thinking mountain gorilla. More harry and not as big as a lowland

Though maybe eastern lowland

[mighty void]

Good call

[warm shadow]

You want dangerous game ape? You want chimps

[sick zodiac]

Maybe not chimps, I think monkeys and baboons would be better

[warm shadow]

I agree id rather have mandrills but chimps definitely would be more dangerous

[mighty rampart]

All are very cool

[buoyant cosmos]

People are still raging over the guy that shot Cecil the Lion

[trail loom]

Rightfully to be honest

You can't shoot a tourist attraction that's been given a name.

same thing with the guy who shot the giant buck at that Hollywood graveyard or whatever.

[mighty rampart]

Let’s agree to disagree! Fences and reserves are very complicated things

[mortal rain]

Most people hadn’t even heard of Cecil, especially within Africa.
But for some people to propose all transport of trophies using baiting, bow hunting, and blind hunting to be banned is completely ridiculous.

[trail loom]

I'm no expert on the case but "agree to disagree"? Surely you don't think it's acceptable to shoot a "loved" animal. Even if it was legal it's still jerk-like.

He literally had a tracking collar

[warped grail]

Well also, great apes are way too human for most hunters to feel comfortable shooting
That being said, I'd love a map in Cameroon that's part jungle and savannah as that region has a lot of unique huntable species

[patent agate]

Did he even know it was a famous lion? It would be kinda hard to tell unless you saw it a lot beforehand

[patent agate]

Those would be the same people absolutely baffled by how conservation funding started to dry up too

[mortal rain]

I’m pretty sure Palmer said he entrusted his guides to set up a legal lion hunt (as they should’ve) and he had no idea the lion was famous.

[patent agate]

Exactly, unless you actively study an animal you can't Exactly tell them apart from others when you're adrenaline is going

.375 is a beast, my angle was garbage here

[trail loom]

I wasn't directing my assessment directly at Palmer anyway, the PH is the one who said "Take him". The lion had a tracking collar and its entire territory was documented. It'd be ignorant to think the PH didn't know what happened even if he plead otherwise

[untold maple]

Most people didn’t know that lion was famous

[mighty rampart]

I think it’s perfectly fine and I can tell you it happens all the time.

Tons of animals have collers , and it’s standard practice to give each collered animal a name.

Lots of reserve share open borders with others to widen the gene pools and variety of game that they can show customers, not everyone’s got tabs on what’s going in and our all the time.

[patent agate]

I can see that, like banded birds in the US, you can sometimes find them in Texas and the band was put on in Alaska.

Collars don't mean the animal is immune from predation, and as far as I know there's no law against shooting a collared animal either

[trail loom]

I just can't see past it being a jerk move, legal or not. A lion with a tracking collar is being actively documented and if you kill it, you're affecting the research being done and likely upsetting whoever was undergoing the project since people can get attached to animals they work with.

I'm not saying it should be illegal or whatever, I just don't see the justification for how you can think it's not even the slightest bit sucky. There's other lions on the savanna

[patent agate]

I get that, but what if you can't see the collar? It was a lion so the mane might have blocked the collar from .his angle

[trail loom]

Usually lions are shot under low-light conditions and as far as I'm aware tracking collars blink, but it's possible the blink was hidden by the mane. Like I said before though I find it very unlikely that the PH wasn't in control of the hunt.

[patent agate]

Yes, if you see the collar and you still decide to shoot then your just an Ahole but if you don't see it until you walk up to it I don't think that's anything to worry about.

Tracking collars don't blink, it would draw too much attention to the animal. They may not see colors but a blinking light gets a lot of attention

[trail loom]

I misresearched. They can flash but it's under specific contexts, GPS related.

Either way I choose to die on the hill that the PH knew what happened. There's no way the professional hunter that was paid 50,000 dollars (He had to be effective) that has extensive knowledge of the country and its fauna and flora didn't realize he brought his client into a territory with the most well known lion in Zimbabwe and shot a large, dark maned lion in said lions territory not thinking or double checking that it was him.

[patent agate]

Nah, the PH knew what he was doing. I think he was trying to get rid of it so tourists would stop rolling through where he hunted

[warm shadow]

No clue what any of the above has to do with a hunting video game but i sure do love killing lions in the hunter cotw!

[trail loom]

They're my #2 favorite species in the game.

[mighty rampart]

It’s done for proper reasons as part of wildlife conservation plans.

Is all done for a reason fella

[trail loom]

I don't appreciate the condescention. I'm aware of African conservation and how hunting isn't bad, I'm only defending that shooting a collared lion under active research for long-term documentation by Oxford University is absolutely not "all according to plan 🍷 " or intended for that individual or the conservation of the species.

If you accidentally shoot it, there should be no quarrel. You seem to be implying he should have shot it though, even if he and the PH had prior knowledge of what they were up to.

[patent agate]

He's talking in general, no one mentioned the specific case you were talking about

[deft egret]

my ironsight africa loadout now with the .375, all iron sights with the vintage bino's which i made look more leathery looking w the cosmetics packs, added the halloween ones to the .470 to make it look "well used". really fun now with the pointer, but hopefully i'll be able to do this with more classic rifles on africa 2.0

[mighty rampart]

In a respectful way your over reading into my response.

I know more than most people do about game reserves and wildlife conservation. (From first hand Expiriance)

Collers and I can tell you this from Expiriance mean little to nothing, they usual stay on the animals for a few years and get removed. (Oxford university or not) I can also promise you that praticauno one knew about this lion before it was hunted.

It was deliberately blown up by the anti-hunting lobbies to try and ban the sport and make trophy important harder in the states.

Regardless of all this let’s get back to Africa 2 discussion!

[mighty rampart]

A formidable weapons lineup!

Also so close to 1500 what a milestone!

[untold maple]

47 more to go

[patent agate]

How many plains game animals could be on the map if it actually had all big five?

If the map contained the big five and a decent number of plains game would it be worth making the map itself larger? With a higher price of course?

[mighty rampart]

Not sure but my thought process for getting is a for a sooner has developed further
.

I really think that these small maps are a major blessing,

What if we got a series of maps based upon a valley,

Each map being Something like “Begokani South,North, east west etc etc.

Each direction having a few unique species m, but also having a equal 1-9 range

[hardy zodiac]

I'd say nyala aren't the biggest (we have them outside our house lol) so I'd say their between a 5 and 6 mostly 6 I think

[patent agate]

Like 4 of the half maps concentrated in one area? That's not bad, you'd essentially get two full maps with different lineups but you could pick the one that has the animals you want to focus on

[mighty void]

Upsides
-more total species
-maps Beeing able to set better focuses
-more radical environment changes

Downsides
-taking longer to be made
-higher total price
-the maps feeling smaller with you reaching the edge way faster

[patent agate]

Yall, my rifle got a new name lmfao

I let a neighbor try my .416 out and it's been dubbed

Dr. Kickur Teethout,

[dire prism]

Rigby or Weatherby?

[patent agate]

Ruger

[dire prism]

yeah that'd do it lol

[patent agate]

Wish it was a Rigby, those rifles are gorgeous

[deft egret]

summer 2025 winter map with the .416?

[untold maple]

It’s a possibility, but I can’t help but feel it’s gonna be an arctic map or something

[trail loom]

I mean, they put an arctic setting in the backround of the teaser. I'm pretty sure it'll be arctic themed especially considering they didn't put a teaser for the announcement of the 2025 winter map.

[deft egret]

yeah its 100% gonna be winter map

[trail loom]

I'm just hoping for a new titan of a class 9 if that comes to pass

[tough light]

we need this map with all the big animals and a nice little big 50. cal with it

[patent agate]

.500 Nitro Express over under? I wish

[trail loom]

A .50 cal nitro (Either .577ne double or .500ne over/under) and a lower .40 cal bolt (404 jeffery or .416 rigby) will complete my dangerous game gun wishlist pretty much.

Of course I'd love to see a .458 lott single, .505 gibbs, etc... but just the above would make me perfectly content if they added nothing further.

[late pond]

I'd love to see a Gibbs

My Picks
• Fusch Big5 Royal Blue (6-9)- 416 Rem Mag
• Westley Richards 425 (7-9)- .425 Nitro Express
• Blaser R93 Duo Hamed (6-9)- 375H&H
• Pedersoli Safari Express (7-9) - Blackpowder .72cal: +Ball: 500gr
• H&H 8Bore Hammer (9-10) - Blackpowder Cart. /8ga: +Ball: 862gr +Slug: 1257gr
• Thompson Center (7-9) - .375 JDJ

[deft egret]

.416 Gary as EW would probably name it due to copyright reasons or something

[mortal rain]

No.
A 50 cal in a hunting game is stupid unless it’s .505 Gibbs, .577, or .500NE.

[dire prism]

.577 Snider Enfield could also be cool as like a 3-7 plains game black powder

I like old guns

[deft egret]

.303 british enfield style would be neat, they had the opportunity w te awaroa but oh well

[tough light]

i mean your probably right but what gun would even be good for an elephant

[patent agate]

How would yall feel if the new .375 could be rechambered in .416 or .458 as well? Just pay about 25k to change it and go on?

[mortal rain]

Literally any time tested safari caliber.

[deft egret]

all about placement u dont need a call of duty .50 cal for an elephant efficient marksmanship is key

[late pond]

well we do have the Blackpowder .50cal however a 500 S&W would be lit

[mortal rain]

I mean usually when someone puts “elephant hunting” and “.50 cal” in the same sentence they are referring to .50BMG

[late pond]

True its a habit when I see .50cal 1st thing that comes to mind is blackpowder followed by 500 S&W, 50Beowulf, & .50AE 😅 50BMG never comes to mind for hunting being its designed to stop vehicles & dismember.

[late pond]

related I did watch a hunt with a guy hunting elephant with a 50 inline I was shocked.

[mortal rain]

And the guide allowed it? Holy!

[late pond]

Yea they had there doubts the whole time but sure enough he brained it

[mortal rain]

Sheesh

[late pond]

For disclosure I wasn't happy about the hunt itself big mistakes were made with near dire consequences and the guy wouldn't shut up. 1st guide out was horrible the 2nd was much better. I'll see if I can find the link to it.

Heres the video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9h0qCOAOD0 Like I said I felt they treaded too deep on the 1st part of the hunt but the older guy (2nd guide) I felt it was better. It might be just me I'll leave that to you guys to decide. But the point of this was this guy hunted an elephant with a .50cal muzzleloader & successfully brained one. Skip to 14:30 if you want to skip the scene where they went in too deep.

[late pond]

Figured since .50cal got brought up I'd share it. Again, I didn't like the hunt itself, but I was just as much in disbelief it could be possible. But well.....there you have it 😅

[mortal rain]

I’m shocked they even let him take his inline lol!

[late pond]

Your telling me I mean I would understand an 8bore blackpowder but a .50cal muzzeloader😱

[trail loom]

In complete fairness there's not much to penetrate from that angle, people have brained elephants with smaller rifles. You can see earlier in the video how much he hesitated on that frontal shot lol. As long as the guide has a big bore there's always a plan B when stuff goes wrong

[late pond]

Well yea but still the fact he even hunted one with it is pure madness. I'm all for a blackpowder hunt but I'd never use a .50cal on an animal that size purely bc theres too many ways it can go wrong. Atleast with an 8bore you have 2 shots. I mean 800-1200gr is alot in comparison.

[trail loom]

Yea the real absurdity is that there's no follow-up shot available, but again the guide was ready to put a bullet into an elephant if need be (he did in the first attempt of a hunt) so it wasn't drastically important I suppose.

[late pond]

Yea I felt that 1st part could've been avoided over trying to push it. The guide did his part when it went south but I honestly felt conflicted he should've known better then to push thier luck.

[dire prism]

having watched that back they really did screw that up and push too far; following them into dense brush where they could feel cornered is a terrible idea, especially if they're already aggitated

[late pond]

Thats what I felt. I get getting close but the way they went about it was very risky & unnecessary n resulted in them getting charged & dispatching what appeared to me a younger elephant. I can't say male or female since they both can & will charge but it defn. appeared young.

[dire prism]

yeah seemed quite young to me as well; maybe 8 or 9 at most, certainly not at maturity

[late pond]

Aside from their actions I still can't believe he hunted them with an inline. Only having 1 shot is unsettling. Then again, I think I've read somewhere someone hunted them with a bow?!

[dire prism]

it's been done several times to my knowledge; superheavy steel arrow shafts in excess of 900gr weight and superheavy steel broadheads reminiscent of the armor piecing bodkin heads on old medieval warbows exceeding 100gr in weight seem to be used pretty commonly

most common aiming point is the heart I believe

[late pond]

Elephant Bow Hunt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltz2V3x56Y

Still pretty wild. If or when they add them, I think that'll be the challenge with a bow. Blackpowder as well if we get the H&H 8Bore Hammer

[deft egret]

how u gonna take down an elephant in the COTW, with the system in place, if they introduce it. heartshot? will a brainshot give full integrity?

[dire prism]

id imagine lungs will work with the rifles allowed but heart and brain will be advised; probably a system similar to crocs and alligators where you can shoot the brain without losing integrity

[trail loom]

Nah I doubt it. Crocs only have it that way since their "trophy" is their length

I can still brain shot elephants that I don't require a medal for and I just need to be more patient with the trophy elephants. You don't even often come across those trophies often anyway, so I don't see a problem.

[dire prism]

it's not due to trophy type it's due to the trophy organ being listed as none; they could distinguish the trophy organ as "tusks" as opposed to skull if they wanted to make brainshots encouraged, especially given the fact they are relied on IRL

[trail loom]

Tusks would be trophy type, the trophy organ is still the skull.

[dire prism]

that would still allow them to list the trophy organ as none if they wanted to allow brainshots to be ethical

[trail loom]

95 + % of the elephants you hunt, the medal isn't required. As much as I'd like to brain one, heart shots are valid

[deft egret]

what's the more common method today for elephant hunting? bodyshot?

[mortal rain]

Brainshot

[deft egret]

then that should be the way u can take them down in the game and hopefully it will be valid for a brainshot in the game if elephants are introduced, but EW are so weird with these types of things so prob not

[dire prism]

yes, much like how they are on alligators and crocodiles, but IRL they're taken almost entirely with brain shots (also like crocs and gators) which makes me anticipate no trophy organ and brain shots being ethical in game

[mortal rain]

Tbf, irl alligator hunting is wayyyy different than it is in game

[trail loom]

...And, diamonds are one in a hundred. You can't spare one elephant every now and then a heart shot?

[dire prism]

true

[trail loom]

Some PH's dont even let clients do brainshots because of the large margin for error and amount of lost trophies caused by it.

[warped grail]

Well you'd start with a heart/lung shot

Then, once the animal is down, the PH will get the hunter to put 1 last shot in the brain to make sure it's 100% dead. Because it's often the dead ones who get up

[trail loom]

It's quite commonly a bullet to the chest when the animal is down. There's real elephant hunters that vouch for a heart/lung shot in all cases.

The only time a brain shot is ideal is during a charge/the elephant is looking at you or if you're using an ill suited or minimal caliber that may not penetrate and/or expand well enough through the body. With a .375 solid to the heart/lung the elephant isn't running past 100yards, and with TheHunter cotw, a heart shot is a drop shot.

Also on a real note, admit it, if you find a diamond score elephant you're probably going to play it safe with a lung shot even if braining them passes the harvest check.

[dire prism]

for the first one I get or an SR absolutely, although I'll probably do it (assuming its ethical) if it's like my 3rd or 4th etc.

[deft egret]

i dont mind where u shoot them as long as it's realistic for shot placement irl. heartshot, brainshot, lungshot doesnt matter to me i just want to be able to hunt them in the game! it would be funny if u couldnt grind them the way most animals are grinded in the game rn though thatd be funny, as in just mowing them down with a .300

[mortal rain]

That’s going to be highly unlikely

[deft egret]

yes it will never happen but a man can dream

[mortal rain]

Particularly that last part.

[patent agate]

I'd love to see, if you make a bad shot or use the wrong caliber, the elephant just turn and run you down. One hit. Just splatter you and move on

[late pond]

I'd like to see this on 90% of our game. IRL most Game esp. Predators and Lrg-DG game have a high chance to attack you if wounded or before they expire if your seen. Bison, Cape, Water Buffalo, & I believe Yaks as well do this in Game

[dusky oak]

hey hey ive seen this thread up for a while, where are we in terms of getting it ?

[dire prism]

seems to have gotten the devs to put an Africa map on the roadmap for some time in the future, not sure when exactly though

[dusky oak]

gotcha thanks, all the new animals seem exciting :)

[versed basalt]

I WANT TO HUNT ZEBRAS!!!

[mighty rampart]

Amen

I was lucky to see this old boy yesterday 💪

[dire prism]

🐘

[patent agate]

Good to see the big guys are still roaming around

[warm shadow]

Depending on where you are theres so many that they starve to death from their food supply being overgrazed

[dire prism]

primarily in Botswana if I'm not mistaken; meanwhile the populations at the margins of the Sahara up in Chad and the neighboring nations of the Sahel are dangerously close to extinction due to poaching

[warm shadow]

Northern Africa is an entirely different situation absolutely

[dire prism]

yeah, virtually uncontrolled and unopposed poaching is a massive problem; the near complete extinction of scimitar-horned oryx, addax, and about 30 other medium and large bodied antelope is a testament to that

the threatening of giraffes and extirpation of northern populations of rhinoceras is also telling

[warped grail]

It's mostly based on political stability

[mighty void]

Inshallah peace should come to these regions, I really hope it does 😔

[untold maple]

I wonder if any African animals are gonna be on the new fur vote

[mighty void]

Would be epic

[old saffron]

Might be a good way to do a model rework independent of a map drop 👀?

[patent agate]

I sincerely hope so, there's a better chance they'll get a rework if they at least make it on the list

[deft egret]

i really hope so i feel like EW neglects them we need some love for them

[sleek locust]

If this came out it would be my all time favorite map. I can see it being around 15.99 but being so super worth it

[deft egret]

been loving hunting on vurhonga with ironsights, if they dropped this it would be the only map id play save for salzwiesen

[deft egret]

spectacular animal

[manic vigil]

Man I love elephants. My favorite modern animal group (and technically my favorite extinct animal group too because the Columbian Mammoth is my favorite extinct animal). Beautiful individual right there

[mighty rampart]

@manic vigil

[mighty void]

R they wild? Definitely cool!

[mighty rampart]

Yup

[manic vigil]

Beautiful pic ❤️‍🔥

[untold maple]

And there was no African animal selection

[untold maple]

Y’all, check out this impala. It looks like a sable

[patent agate]

He's a little wonky but still an impressive buck/ram/stag?

Idk, names for male/female animals are confusing

[mighty void]

Buck

[patent agate]

Ah, just like rabbits then

[mighty void]

No I have no idea just my personal guess

[patent agate]

I've heard so many different names nothing would surprise me

[mortal rain]

I’ve heard Ram mainly

[trail loom]

they're rams.

it differs from antelope to antelope though. Small ones like gazelle are usually referred to as bucks and big ones like wildebeest or eland are called bulls.

[untold maple]

We are so close to 1,500 likes

[patent agate]

1495 as of now, 5 more and we're there

[deft egret]

i think we've made some ''noise'' as jaxy requested

[mighty void]

We're so close

[patent agate]

Keep pounding the drums then, the louder the better

[mighty void]

I think the community would may be want the #1 big game hunting continent 🌍 to get some attention after more then 6 years

Just a theory tho...

[prime linden]

They definitely need to add this

[deft egret]

it would change the game forever

[dire prism]

goddamn there's only three more to 1500

[dire prism]

we might hit it by the end of tonight

[dire prism]

Oddest impala horns I've ever seen, he really does look like a sable lmao

[glad loom]

10 more comments until 10000, can we match it with 1500 likes?

[prime linden]

Bro we need these so I can actually have something attack me

[torn belfry]

The giraffes have so many possibilities wow if it arrives in the game it would take a Truskin because it's just mama mia of all beauty its animals.
Look AT this beauties

[patent agate]

#1316258222100709478 would be an amazing addition to the game all on its own. There's so many animals that could benefit so much. It would mean a lot for all the animals that need a rework

We gotta face facts too, vurhonga animals need a HUGE face-lift. Those poor jackals look like little Crack doggies

[dire prism]

and the lions with their low poly manes, and the fat as hell buffalo with misshapen heads and horns

and wildebeest that look likey were made before Halo: Reach was in beta

[glad loom]

3 more comments, 2 more likes!
Btw 100 ❤s let's gooo

[untold maple]

Holy dang were really close now