AFRICA BIG FIVE (Africa 2.0 + Class 10 Weapons) 🇿🇼🇿🇦

[main knot]

Found another rare Zebra pic

[untold maple]

8,000 comments

It’s official, we talk a lot on this form

[main knot]

Mela Giraffe

[patent agate]

I've been reading from Craig Boddington's articles all day at this point and I'm almost certain I want to go to Namibia for a specific hunt

For context, that's Craig Boddington and the rifle he used and apparently considers perfect for the tiny ten is a .22 Hornet (the .22H in game)

Damara dikdik

[patent agate]

I'm kinda considering this in combo with a hartebeest hunt

[dire prism]

would be pretty cool

[mighty rampart]

🫣🤣

[untold maple]

The tiny ten are so much fun to hunt
They’re small, skittish, hard to spot. I definitely hope I can complete the tiny ten in my lifetime

[untold maple]

I blame you specifically

[mortal rain]

80008 is pretty great

[untold maple]

Make that ten

[sick zodiac]

80011

[patent agate]

A lot of yappin tends to happen

Anyway, I keep finding recommendations for the .17hmr and .22mag for dikdik and similar sized antelope species

[untold maple]

There definitely the right size but Personal I would go with something a little bigger
I say It’s better to drop them where they stand instead of tracking a tiny blood trail(I did overkill my duiker with a 30-06 but I had no choice)

[patent agate]

I'd probably use a .22mag or .223. I have more experience with the .22Mag tho, I've used it on everything from cottontail to coyotes with no issues. I know exactly how the bullets I keep on hand treat animals so I think I'd be comfortable with them

[untold maple]

Being comfortable is definitely important when it comes to hunting, that’s for sure

Patterson used a 303 against the man eaters of Tsavo

[patent agate]

I've got some poly tipped bullets that are super accurate out to about 120 but they don't tear up jackrabbits

I'm sure I'd need a round nose for the smaller animals because I doubt the poly tipped or hollow points I typically use. I think they'd be good on the smaller tiny ten tho, blue duiker and suni sized animals

[mighty rampart]

klipspringers are hard to hunt, so small

[gilded meteor]

I would love cheetahs and leopards

[noble knot]

I would be fine just getting leopards not going to lie

[gilded meteor]

Yeah I think I’d rather have leopards they look cooler

[fleet forge]

Understandable, for me personally, though if I had to pick the two, I’d probably go with cheetahs more… but leopards are awesome too…. although obviously having both would be an outright God Tier pick

[mighty rampart]

Awsome animal

[patent agate]

Here's a question, what are your top 3-5 antelopes for Africa 2.0?

[untold maple]

Lord derby eland, black lechwe, mountain nyala, bongo, and sitatunga

I know you said 3 but I had to do 5

[patent agate]

I fixed it just because I like three idea

[mortal rain]

Patterson’s Eland, Greater Kudu, Blesbok, Bushbuck, Waterbuck

[patent agate]

I love blesbok, so cool looking

[gilded meteor]

I didn’t know kudu were antipopes. My favorite animal

[patent agate]

Please fix your spelling before I make a very inappropriate joke

It's tempting

[mortal rain]

Psssst

.243 destroys mule deer

[gilded meteor]

I won’t lie I was wrong but take into account both soft points and a 1-4 scope it makes it a lot harder. I

[gilded meteor]

Hmmmm I don’t see anything wrong with antipopes🫣

[mortal rain]

It was easy, I was using the 1-4 too

[gilded meteor]

You took a 187 yard shot with the 1-4 I respect it.

I can’t take you serious with that profile pic 😂

METALLICA

[main knot]

A Pseudo Mela Zebra, pretty cool

[mighty rampart]

Can we think of any rhino variations? Or potentially even a great one?

[halcyon marsh]

Common: light grey, grey, dark grey Rare: brown, black, albino Great One: Scarred maybe with a broken horn or different scarring variations as different variations for the great one, a simple one like a common color but that variation has the largest horn, one that is more aggressive, and has a lion skull on his horn

[outer forge]

Maybe African wild donkey

[pulsar oak]

Wooly rhino in cave art has dark band across it' middle section. One great one variant could be made to look kinda like wooly rhino, with long backward curving horns and darker band on it's sides. Few great ones already look quite outlandish, So i think it could work.

[mighty rampart]

That would be very co

[dusky oak]

Hello everyone! Any news?

[dire prism]

nearing 1300 upvotes and we have the sustained attention of the community managers and seemingly also the dev team

[mighty rampart]

Only good news

[dire flume]

Whatever happened to that rhino poacher @mighty rampart

[mighty rampart]

Which one

[dire flume]

This one

[mighty rampart]

We’ve still not caught this group yet, they’re slippery B@sterds.

[dire flume]

It’s sad to hear which one Implying that there are many

[dusky oak]

Ag nee man...

[mighty rampart]

Ja, those malalapipes need a proper job before one of us catches them

[dusky oak]

Hmm, have yall caught them before?

Also could be that someone is feeding them info

For money

[mighty rampart]

Yeah we’ve caught plenty before.

Yeah information is always leaked from everywhere

[mighty rampart]

Not far off halfway to 2000!

[glad loom]

1300!! That's like a whole auditorium in Hollywood

[trail loom]

I hope this comes to fruition next up. We have a beautiful .375 on the way and the .470 will have more opportunity to be used (and not just be obsolete when you can currently snipe all the big game with a .300)

[mystic token]

thats more people than I have rolex watches

I dont have a rolex btw

[mighty rampart]

100%!

[trail loom]

Question for you

You mentioned hunting of the big five is legal in Zimbabwe, and considering how many messages this thread has I wasn't able to find out which rhinoceros species you had in mind for the original post. Does Zimbabwe allow lethal hunting of black rhinoceros (That's the more commonly sought after by trophy hunters) or just the white rhinoceros

?

[mighty rampart]

I think it’s just the white rhino

[mortal rain]

I think Black Rhino’s have some hunting in Zimbabwe, very limited iirc

[trail loom]

I figured. Not that it likely matters since I don't think tiger hunting is possibly legal anywhere despite being in the game, and they're even less numerous I believe.

I wouldn't particularly rather/prefer either rhino if one were to be included on a map like this, they're both incredibly impressive.

[warped grail]

Well rhinos aren't legal to hunt in the region but you can have some artistic license with that as a treat. And given that both species are legal to hunt, it's not the biggest leap of logic

[final current]

Its only Namibia and South Africa that allow Rhino hunting but as Zha said some minor artistic license to make it work

It wouldn’t be as extreme as Eurasian Wigeon in Southern Africa to be fair

[dire prism]

1300 upvotes as of 8:44PM USMDT!

[main knot]

WOOOOOOOOO

[mighty rampart]

We’re doing well!

[dawn dew]

Imagine being on a green hunt to collect a blood sample only to realize that the game biologist’s tranquilizer shot has only managed to upset a bull rhino.

No side-shot, and it’s charging. 🦏

[primal heron]

I WANT THIS IN ZAMBIA

[deft egret]

Something tells me we're getting something with big caliber animals considering the new guns we're getting. Pray it's this 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[prisma geyser]

I would love a US Waterfowl Map

[patent agate]

It'd be a buffalo dance on hard mode

[patent agate]

Somebody failed to dance with the buffalo

[untold maple]

Seriously failed, there’s blood on those jeans

[patent agate]

There's a fence in the background, what do you wanna bet some idiot thought they'd be like the cows at the petting zoo they visited when they were kids

[mighty rampart]

Warthog variants?

[trail loom]

Light brown

Grey and red

Dark

[outer forge]

I suggest Grant's zebra

[trail loom]

albino.

[trail loom]

I don’t think Grant’s zebra is in Zimbabwe is it

There’s plains, mountain and Grevy’s zebra from what I know

Either way zebra is on the original post so I wouldn’t care which it referred to.

[outer forge]

And maybe Egyptian wolf

[main knot]

looks more leuscistic to me, since the eyes arent pink

[trail loom]

You’re probably right, I just looked up albino and that came up. I didn’t analyze it

In any case a warthog tlc would be nice. I do enjoy hunting the species

[mighty rampart]

they look awsome

[final current]

This reserve is set in Zimbabwe
The Golden Wolf (which the Egyptian Wolf is a subspecies of) only lives as far south as Northern Tanzania

[patent agate]

Saw the video in weapon talk, I sincerely hope the .375 has that kind of heavy drum sound

[trail loom]

Yea, I sincerely hope so as well. It would make the gun even more enjoyable. I play with max volume and manual chambering, so I imagine it'd make putting follow up shots into dangerous game feel more immersive if it has that punch/drum sound

[strong kindle]

I am new on this server so not sure if anyone said that, but because Rhinos are an endangered species I don't think that there is a way to get them as species to hunt

But if I think about that, Tigers are also endangered species so it might not be that big of a issue

[dense folio]

There are some ways to legally hunt rhinos

[trail loom]

You can still legally hunt rhinos in some places, such as Zimbabwe where this map suggestion is located. With tigers there is absolutely 0 ways to hunt them legally in the world, so with them being in the game it opens the door for anything really. Jaxy explained in a stream that they're not so worried about "controversial" animals due to storytelling.

[mighty rampart]

what the others said you can legally hunt rhino in multiple countries

[strong kindle]

In that case I am definitely all for it

[noble knot]

I mean there is games like Cabelas dangerous hunts that is just a mass endangered species shoot em up and it didn’t catch flack it’ll be fine if they and them I don’t really see it as in issue it is just a game

[patent agate]

Hey the first dangerous hunts game was just a really good hunting game, it just started getting weird from the 2nd one on.

Also, I visited a gunshop yesterday that had a full size replica rhino head (and an infuriating no pictures rule) that I was told was a perfect copy of a rhino the owner had shot on a green hunt. I knew they could make replica fish, but I had no idea they could do big game as well

[noble knot]

Never played the first so the ones I played where just animal mass culling

[mighty rampart]

Reminds me of this I found on eBay the other day

[patent agate]

Yup, that's pretty much exactly what it looked like. I suppose this would be way lighter than an actual rhino head too

[trail loom]

I saw a replica rhinoceros too, it was a white. It was SO massive.

[patent agate]

Dh2 is when it started being more arcade shooter than hunting game. I adored the first one when I was a kid. I'd literally get up at 4 am to play it before school. I was convinced if I could bring down a leopard with a revolver and one shot then I'd pass any test I had.

[untold maple]

Kanati does some incredible replica taxidermy

[mighty rampart]

those are awsome

[untold maple]

It’s a really good taxidermy studio

[trail loom]

yea for real

[patent agate]

It's kinda funny that we heard in vurhonga that rambolo's hide would be preserved but never heard another word about it. That would have been an amazing detail to see in Saseka lodge

[trail loom]

Well, hopefully we'll be mounting our own rhinos soon.

[mighty rampart]

“We’ll actually moment”

Most rhino carcasses are found from smell, rather than the sound of a gunshot. By the time rambolo would have been found he would have been at least 1-3 days deceased.

There would be a massive amount of gasses in his body, Roger morris, and thousands of flys and maggots. The fine layer of skin that adorns the hide would be bubbling off the leather and peeling of by this point. And the leather would be permiantly infused with what I have found To be the most vile smell imaginable 😅

That aside he would make for an awsome throw rug in game for sasika lodge

[patent agate]

Luckily, video game.

But yeah I know how rotten leather smells, I've trapped coyotes and raccoons for almost 15 years. Even checking the trap every day you sometimes get some horrific stench

[mighty rampart]

I can imagine, not a nice smell🫣

[patent agate]

I had some summer coyotes trapped addition took literal hours to turn absolutely gut emptying

[trail loom]

After thinking about it I'd like to see Black rhinoceros over White. Their horns seem to be longer on average and the build of their head and body for me looks a bit more aesthetic

I figure this is a somewhat popular opinion since the black rhinoceros was more prized by big game hunters in the "golden age" of hunting

[mighty rampart]

I’m personally the oppersite, something about the white rhino that I love just a little bit more.

Black rhinos however are a lot more aggressive, would be cool to have charging rhino in game

[trail loom]

Black rhinos are smaller and darker (Hide away in brush easier) and are more aggressive yea. How they look is obviously just preference but I think that might make them a little more engaging

[mortal rain]

White rhinos are iconic, if only I had a spare whole years salary…

[trail loom]

Also on the note of aggression, considering the same rounds are used on them as with rhinoceros and whatnot, cape buffalo might as well be class 10 if a big 5 map comes to fruition since a .300 is just underpowered for them (and also you shouldn't get to snipe them with an AR)

[mortal rain]

.300 shouldn’t even be class 9.

It should be 5-8 at maximum.

[trail loom]

And also when a buffalo goes aggressive it's usually a sigh of relief because it guarantees you will be able to make a followup shot if you screwed up. They should make the cape buffalo lock onto you a little better instead of just running past you and showing you their lungs like idiots

[dense folio]

The rhino says "aloha señorita"(idk, I'm not an animal specialist)

[trail loom]

.300 should be 5-8 and the two bison should be made class 8 since people use 30-06 for them. That'd be the perfect change imo.

[mortal rain]

Make them like 20% ish faster or so, and make their AI smart enough to use nearby brush to their advantage.

[trail loom]

That wouldn't be too hard since the tigers AI already does that. Capes are known to run into the brush and make a big circle around the hunters and practically ambush them from behind or the flank. After a cape is wounded all it wants is to get revenge

they're popularly considered the most deadly of the big 5 for a reason

[mighty rampart]

I’d love the leopards on Africa 2.0 to jump out of trees onto you

[patent agate]

My favorite little fact about white rhinos is that they were named because they had wider lips than black rhinos lol

[untold maple]

I really hope they get tree mechanics of some kind

[mortal rain]

And another point I’ve just thought of, since ribs aren’t simulated ingame (Cape buffalo are infamous for their ribs) they should make them quite a lot tougher, to the point where only .338, .470, 9.3 are viable for them.

[trail loom]

That's why I pitched they ought to be a class 10

[mighty rampart]

They’re so cool

[mortal rain]

I think they are fine in class 9… just with bison, banteng, the .300 not in Class 9.

[patent agate]

.338 seems too light to. The last hunt I read about with a .338 the hunter needed 17 shots

[trail loom]

American bison and cape buffalo ribcage

[mortal rain]

I feel like that’s all bad shot placement? It’s quite a tense situation after all, .338 is becoming the new minimum in quite a few countries now.

[trail loom]

Yea, .338 isn't too far behind the .375. One still punches harder though

[patent agate]

I'm also kinda curious if there are .338 bullets properly designed for animals that big? People using .338s are targeting large but relatively thin skinned animals like bears and moose

[untold maple]

How does one use 17 shots from a 338 to take down a Dagga boy?!?

[mighty rampart]

I’ve seen .375 punch through rhinos ribs and exit out the other side.

Easily a class 10 weapon.

[untold maple]

I’d imagine when elephants are added the 375 and 470 will be class 10

[mighty rampart]

I’d hope so.

[trail loom]

They should be yea

[untold maple]

It’s still so weird that it didn’t expand or anything

[patent agate]

If I had to bet? Panic.

I can't imagine it would be that bad but honestly I can imagine it being very ineffective if you didn't target the right spots. I'm also betting they chose the wrong bullets

[mighty rampart]

It’s bizarre, this one nearly exited the rhino. Went straight through both shoulders, found it between the hide and the muscle on the other side.

[mortal rain]

300gr solids seem to get it done

[patent agate]

Can I ask, did it tumble? The tail seems to have expanded a bit so was it a clean pass or thrown of by a bone?

[mighty rampart]

Pretty clean pass, skipped the bone.

[untold maple]

and yet it kept its shape

[patent agate]

Interesting, do you see bullets with expansion like that often?

[mighty rampart]

#🥩︴irl-hunting message

More graphic photos if anyone’s interested.

Not super often. Most pass clean through

[patent agate]

Well it's kinda odd how that bullet tumbled but the damage is very impressive. If this is the kind of effect it has on rhinos then I'm curious how the bullets would fair on a lung shot for elephant

[mighty rampart]

Oh I’m sure it would have no issues.

[patent agate]

Do you find many bullets or do they pass through more than stop?

[main knot]

Gold Zebra

[patent agate]

That looks crazy and I sincerely hope that ends up in game

[mighty rampart]

Most of the bullets go right through, on the bigger bulls though we’ve had a couple stop just shy of the other side. Like this one.

[main knot]

it looks sweet

[patent agate]

Would you consider doing a post about the .375's effectiveness on big animals? You probably have more experience with how it actually works in animals than anyone else who's a regular in the discord at the least

[mighty rampart]

Let’s wait and see what classes they line the .375 up for when the next weapon pack is released and go from there.

[trail loom]

Yea, I'm sure they'll get the ballistics fine. Also remember the kind of bullet being used plays a massive factor

There's 30-06 springfield rounds that are heavier and have more energy than some types of .300 bullets

[dusky oak]

220grs

[patent agate]

Yeah but they also "improved" the .45-70 so the pistol has a longer effective range than the rifle and more penetration.

[dusky oak]

The drop is accurate at least

[patent agate]

How many people have you heard say "Hey one outta 3 ain't bad"?

Ain't never heard that one before

[dusky oak]

1 right is better than 0, recall I agree though

[patent agate]

I'm sitting on porch with a .30-30 across my lap hearing 6 or 7 wolves howling close enough to home that all my livestock is nervous.

I have to wonder how similar this probably is to African settlers listening to hyenas, jackals, wild dogs or lions sounding off somewhere in the dark while they sit there with a lantern and a loaded rifle

[patent agate]

I'm just heavily biased toward lever action rifles and it really gets on my nerves how they are almost useless in game

[mighty rampart]

My reality for the last 6 months.
Much like your wolves, less asthtic when stuff going bump in the night🫣

[patent agate]

Except you've got much bigger cats to worry about.

[dire prism]

depends on the load and which .338 cartridge

I mean no matter what thats down to crappy shot placement but .338 ultra mag and lapua mag are equal in power to .416 rigby and have been successfully used to hunt walrus.

[dire prism]

and in addition to this make the .338 a lapua and buff the living hell out of it so its not anemic anymore

[dusky oak]

Sounds fun, nothing dangerous here

[untold maple]

If I remember right, you live in New Zealand?

You have scary sounding birds, kiwis sound pretty sketchy at night

[dusky oak]

They're big bags of wind. They get killed by rats and stoats. Possums sound like exorcisms sometimes but they're only possums. Wild pigs can be aggressive but they're usually scared and never see them

[dense folio]

Not too dangerous though

[untold maple]

Yeah you guys lost your cool dangerous stuff, like the haast’s eagle

[dusky oak]

What's dangerous is hunting in the mountains. Weather and rough terrain can be killers

[dire prism]

I wonder how hard a giant moa would dropkick you

[mortal rain]

The Moa.

[dusky oak]

The Maori hunted those to extinction. The eagle was potentially dangerous

[untold maple]

That’s just mountain hunting in general

[dire prism]

like it was like a 900lb bird, and cassowaries a 6th that size dumpster people

[mortal rain]

Still scary lol

[untold maple]

Imagine going from this to this

Just sad

[dusky oak]

Angry birds to humping birds?

[untold maple]

I was gonna go with plump

[dusky oak]

Easy to get lost or break something here. Supposed to carry PLBs

[dire prism]

oh yeh cause thats the parrot that shagged the one dude's head

[untold maple]

I saw that documentary

[dusky oak]

You are being shagged by a rare bird. It's a kakapo and I've never seen one. Highly protected

[dire prism]

literally how peregrine falcons were saved from extinction btw; falcon F-hat lmao

[dusky oak]

We have a NZ version. See some in mts sometimes

[untold maple]

The carnivorous parrot?

[dusky oak]

No, it's a falcon. You're talking about cheeky kea

[sick zodiac]

Good ole Kea

[torn belfry]

I know I'm late on the subject, but given that the black and white rhinoceros can both be found in Zimbabwe and it seems to me that your project is located here, why not do a few things like in the north or east the white rhino and to the south or west the black rhino. Like that 2 species with 2 different characters and 2 animals which can undoubtedly give both challenges and at the same time please those who are more black team and those who are white team. Afterwards it's your idea, you therefore have the way more compared to us, but this is just for information purposes.

[mighty rampart]

I have some really Awsome news.

My guys caught the poachers last night, and there firearms

[sick zodiac]

W!!!

[inland shoal]

I’m personally from South Africa 🇿🇦 and I think this is the best list ever we
Need this please

[mighty rampart]

100%!

[trail loom]

How many rhinoceros did this group poach?

[trail loom]

Ultimately I think everyone would love that, but the suggestion already elephants, giraffes, crocodiles, hippos, Cape buffalo and leopards. It’s asking a lot for both rhinoceros species as far as I can tell (all this big game is probably already asking too much)

[torn belfry]

yes that's why I explained that it's for explanatory purposes

[mighty rampart]

In the last 3 months around 6-9

And yeah completely, the list is more to show what we would like to see, but I think we k ow that not everything on it will appear. Just trying to emphasise elephants as the main priority animal

[pulsar oak]

I would love the have a gerenuk in cotw, but they are impossible to have in this map because they live nowhere near Zimbabwe. Saw then in Berlin zoo last year, because I have never been to Africa.

[trail loom]

Doesn’t sound like a lot but that’s a lot of generations of young rhinos that could have been

Glad their reign of ecoterrorism ended.

[mortal rain]

There’s a few map ideas with gerenuk, I won’t link them here however.

[untold maple]

Incredible news!

[patent agate]

Nice! Glad to hear y'all had some luck.

[dense folio]

A Kia? I drove one of those once

[sick zodiac]

GET OUTLOOK 🗣️🗣️🔥😡

[sick zodiac]

DM me them please 🥺

[warped grail]

A better map for gerenuk would be Ethiopia

[mortal rain]

I’ve seen wayyyy more options for hunting gerenuk in Tanzania than Ethiopia.

[warped grail]

Well with Ethiopia, you can have a part of the map be mountainous for mountain nyala and other alpine species

So, like Sundarpatan, you can have multiple biotas in one

[mortal rain]

Why not both?

[warped grail]

Not sure if the alpine region has enough huntable species to justify it being its own map

Tanzania may be better yeah

Besides this Zimbabwe map, the other two African maps I'd make would be Namibia for the springbok to go and Cameroon

[final current]

From what I remember reading with regards to Ethiopia, it would have to be done in a similar way to Sundarpatan or Emerald Coast as the highlands has less huntable species then the lowland areas, heck even the desert areas have more huntable species, and speaking of deserts, Ethiopia not only has the Common Warthog (Phacochoerus africanus) but also the Desert Warthog (Phacochoerus aethiopicus)

[warped grail]

Yeah so you can have a fairly diverse map

[untold maple]

In theory they could add Ethiopian wolf and Walia ibex to an Ethiopian map

It would definitely be really cool to go from hunting Gerenuk in Masailand, to mountain nyala in the Abyssinian highlands, and then ibex in Tigray mountains

[final current]

The Masailand area is in Northern Tanzania, if I recall correctly Gerenuk hunting in Ethiopia takes place in the Omo Valley of southwestern Ethiopia ( and the Afar Region (which has the Danakil Desert)

[untold maple]

Yeah you’re right, I thought Masailand ranged from northern Tanzania to Ethiopia

[fleet forge]

I hope they Handle Cheetahs and Leopards like they do with Tigers and Snow Leopards on SundarPatan

[mighty rampart]

Fingers crossed

[glad loom]

Imagine we have all Lions, Cheetahs, Leopards and Hyenas on this map? That would be wild

[fleet forge]

A God tier Reserve

[trail loom]

my eyes are on the prize (big 5/dangerous 7)

[patent agate]

I need new friends 😒

"Thinking about doing a hunting trip in Africa, mostly antelope"

"Nah dude, they got jaguars biting open people's skulls out there"

"At least it's quick, those big f-ing snakes just crush you to death slow. Anacondas, yeah them"

I KNOW IDIOTS AND IT MAKES ME SAD

[warped grail]

As much as I want the big 5 badly, I'm also excited for plains like giraffe, zebra, impala, and especially a big sable

[untold maple]

Jaguars?!? Anacondas?!?…you definitely need new friends

[dire prism]

damn, i dont even know these people and their idiocy makes me sad

[leaden wave]

All good I atleast it ain't the American I had move up here and befriend who lipped a 45" muskie like a bass despite me telling him not to

[mortal rain]

Was there anything left?

[leaden wave]

He needed stitches, staples and the reattachment of a few tendons and ligaments

Man still has some fine motor issues to this day

He needs utensils with the big rubber handles as a tight finesse grip or any pinching motion his index finger has weakness in

Karma tho because the guy is a piece of work and no longer "one of the boys"

Now I've sliced my hand but that's off gill plates or getting poked by the teeth that grow on the pallet of the bigger ones which is inevitable when your holding it by the gill

[mortal rain]

That’s it? Surprising tbh

[leaden wave]

Had it been in water and the fish was not tired and fully clamped down he'd had lost his finger they can cut through a 80lb steel leader like butter so....

But Africa.... Tigerfish F that thing

But Nile perch yessirrrrrrr

[patent agate]

It took like an hour to explain that there's not anacondas and jaguars in Africa. I was really f-ing stupid and said there was leopards and rock pythons there. These people remind me why I hunt alone so much.

But better news, I think my wife is okay with planning a short hunt in Africa. She's been looking at antelope pictures

[untold maple]

I never thought I would live to see the day…a wife being ok with her husband going on a hunting trip…wow

How does it take an hour to explain that jaguars live in South America and not Africa?

[dire prism]

because people are dumb and think every spotted cat is the same thing

[patent agate]

She wants to hunt too,and yeah it took that long to convince them

[dusky oak]

Why is that unusual?

[untold maple]

Because marriage has been in the way of buying cool stuff since the dawn of civilization…it always has, and it always will

[noble knot]

I’d be tweaking out if I heard someone say that

I mean the rosettes are completely different I may just be a nerd but still

[mighty rampart]

Vulture variants?!

[noble knot]

What species of vulture? pardon the stupid question

[patent agate]

I admit, white backed vultures are bigger, but Palm-nut vultures are way prettier

[patent agate]

I'll be totally honest, the only reason I even looked up vultures is your question.

[trail loom]

You can hunt vultures?

I mean I guess it doesn’t matter, again.

[patent agate]

True, but also, tiny birds are infuriating to hunt. Give me a bird large enough to take a .22H and I'll be far more interested than a little tiny puff of feathers

[trail loom]

Giant bustard would probably be cooler

Idk if they live in Zimbabwe though, I only know that if they do it’s illegal to hunt them.

[untold maple]

You can hunt Kori bustard in west Africa

[noble knot]

Pretty bird

[trail loom]

I think they do live In Zimbabwe, would be pretty cool to add them to this specific map suggestion

[patent agate]

Bird is cool

Why's he standing in a hole? 🤔

[untold maple]

Probably because he’s tall

Also check out this Cape buffalo skull

[patent agate]

How. Did. It. SEE?

[untold maple]

I don’t know man, I was just looking at some vintage safari photos when I saw it

[patent agate]

Cape buffalo GO

[untold maple]

Probably

[patent agate]

I wouldn't mind more dangerous GO animals honestly, more exciting than culling 200k hairy goats

[untold maple]

I know, I’m hoping for an elephant great one(with four tusks)

[patent agate]

I want hyper aggressive hippo bulls

[dire prism]

imagine how an ancient Roman woulve felt seeing a four tusks elephant

Imagine being a person whose experience with exotic animals amounts to deer and then you see this house-szed animal quad wielding spears attached to its face

[untold maple]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1278571704838520904
I don’t know where Roman’s came from, I was thinking more about this

[dense folio]

in some places yeah, but they're like every other animal. Some are even endangered and illegal to hunt

[mighty rampart]

Jesus that’s a big skull

[untold maple]

I know right!

[final current]

I did find out a while ago that Kori Bustards don’t live in West Africa but they have a close relative that does: Arabian Bustard

Not quite as big but a very large bird still

[untold maple]

Jim Shocky got his from Burkina Faso

[dire prism]

that is a mythological beast

[dire prism]

Antiquity in Italy, so those closest thing to an elephant they would've ever seen was like, a large wild boar lmao. They'd probably have a crisis seeing a normal elephant, let alone a quad-tusker.

[mighty rampart]

Strange

[dusky oak]

I know many wives who don't care that husbands go hunting

[patent agate]

My wife decided on hunting an impala and a hartebeest, but she may beat me senseless if I admit I want to shoot something as small and cute as a dikdik

[mortal rain]

You gotta marry the right one lol!

[mighty rampart]

😝

[patent agate]

A question for you.

What are your top three Safari rifles?

Doesn't have to be one you own or have used, just the three you'd choose with no concern for anything but the hunt itself

[mighty rampart]

Literally anything in .375 and made by rigby!🫣

[trail loom]

I’m in no position to hunt in Africa anytime soon since I’m still a student, but one day I’d love to hunt a Cape Buffalo with the .458 lott my Uncle passed me shortly before he died earlier this year. He went on an African safari with a 7mm for antelope

He got a black wildebeest, oryx, greater kudu, and two smaller antelope, I think it was gazelle and blackbuck.

I have that rifle now too.

[untold maple]

Westley Richards 425, Winchester 1895 in 405, and a ruger no 1 in 458 Lott

[mighty rampart]

Beautiful rifle, I like the black and white rhinos on the magazine

[patent agate]

That .425, I might have said it before, but the design of the entire rifle is super interesting to me. I'd happily take it with no engraving or inlays in just about any fairly common caliber to hunt any kind of animal with. The design is just too cool for me not to be interested

[untold maple]

I just looked it up, it goes for around 20k. which is still incredibly expensive, but compared to other high end brands I’ve seen, I would say that’s pretty good

[patent agate]

Fair, but 20k ain't exactly a truck gun that you can scratch up and call it character lol

[untold maple]

lol

[patent agate]

Still, if I could get that model of rifle in a medium caliber like .35 whelan or .350 Rem Mag I'd probably use it for almost everything

[patent agate]

Nevermind, I've found something incredibly interesting.

Rigby Big Game Lightweight in .350 Rigby

[mighty rampart]

Never heard of that one before

[patent agate]

Yeah, first I heard of it too, it's actually really interesting reading. It has a solid reputation on everything short of rhino and elephant but it's been used pretty effectively on buffalo and hippo. A fairly light recoiling rifle that was light in weight that apparently handled leopards and lions pretty handle with soft nose ammo just as well as plains game

[mighty rampart]

I’ll have to look into if they still make these!

[patent agate]

The one in the picture is from Rigby's Australia office I think

Correction, this is actually a new model. I found a couple articles that say it's a new offering as of January this year

[mighty rampart]

Ah gotcha

[trail loom]

Which .470 drip is better

[untold maple]

Darker

Speaking of double barrels

[subtle mica]

You have to add Lions to map otherwise you are repating the failure of Verhonga. I don't want to have to jump back and forth between two maps to hunt African game. I would like them all on the one map.

[trail loom]

That completely destroys the point of revisiting vurhonga though

imo lions should be kept the unique star of that map, only problem with that is fear they won't ever get a TLC.

(Me personally I would like if all of the big 5 were on one map however.)

[mighty rampart]

Negative, keeping lions on Vurhonga, and elephants+ Leopards (maybe rhinos on this one) keeps both maps unique.

All the big five on one map would make
It too big species heavy

[mortal rain]

Vurhonga nostalgia is forever. Nothing can change that.

[trail loom]

Of course, and the DLC has been purchased plenty of times to make up for it, but it's pretty safe to say minimal new players would be buying it going forward after a 2.0 with all the big five were to be added

(I own the dlc and I'd still play the map.)

[mortal rain]

Red deer have like 8 maps, that doesn’t stop anyone from buying the next newest map that has them on it.

[trail loom]

That's an inversion of my point

[mortal rain]

Lions will always be fun, sometimes people just want a fresh start (my lion population is terrible)

[mighty rampart]

True, but lions are the big flagship species for Vurhonga, and plus be fine to keep them there and not on Afri 2

[mortal rain]

To not have lions on Africa 2.0 would be like to not have whitetail on Mississippi imo.

There’s so many things that should be done with lions that simply cannot be missed this time around.

[trail loom]

It just seems very ambitious. If the point of contention with a big 5 map is how to move forward afterwards given those species are the pinnacle of trophy hunting sportsmanship period, I'd rather have a lion and cape buffalo TLC for vurhonga and then perhaps the rest of the dangerous 7 on a 2.0 map.

[subtle mica]

Lions have to be on Afirca 2 .... that's all there is .. failing that, you need to put the "Big 5" on Vurhonga and be done with it ... If I'm going to hunt the African experience , I want it all in one spot.

[mighty rampart]

I do entirely get where you come
From, it might even come with a much needed remodel.

I just think that wanting to keep Vurhonga unique, EW might not include them in the next Africa map.

If we got another fully unique species list, I’d rather loose our on the lions if it meant we got a new species, like hyenas, leopards etc etc

[subtle mica]

Honestly, it's a crappy under cooked map and experience. They need to make Africa 2.0 what it SHOULD have been

[trail loom]

Second to last point exactly. It just invalidates Vurhonga outside of nostalgia almost completely. Lions are as you said the maps flag species/point of interest, much like gators are on mississippi

[mighty rampart]

It’s one of the older maps in The game, it may not be perfect, but it’s not awful.

[subtle mica]

IMO it's the worst map of all of them and a very subpar "African" experience

[trail loom]

I'd be 100% okay if a 2.0 map had the rest of the big five or dangerous seven with the exclusion of cape buffalo and lions, so long as capes and lions get a rework/tlc.

[trail loom]

That's a quite an unpopular opinion I believe. As far as I'm concerned it's one of the more popular maps

[mortal rain]

We got Axis Deer on EC and Blackbuck on Sundar, there’s still plenty of people like myself who enjoy Parque

[mighty rampart]

That’s entirely based on your opinion, I enjoy Vurhonga as one of the my most favourite maps.

It is a arguably subpar rendition of Africa, but we still have 2 out of the big five on it. And an entirely unique species list

[subtle mica]

lol .. hence the IMO

I don't for a second think anyone has to agree with me ... but like all good public feedback forums, I gave my fedback ... Lions needs to be on whatever extra African maps they make ... simple

[trail loom]

Parque on multiplayer is totally dead and I don't forsee myself purchasing the DLC. Not everyone has the same view as me, but it hurts the map I think objectively since I can't be the only person who views it that way

[mortal rain]

I love Vurhonga to pieces, it’s honestly one of the best maps EW ever made but it is still a bad rendition of Africa.

I still enjoy it

[mortal rain]

Multiplayer is dead. Everything about MP is terrible…. Not the best footing to stand on.

[subtle mica]

Hmmmm , I play MP with mates regularly ... we have blast cruising around for hours

[trail loom]

For the past month I've mostly played multiplayer and harvested over two dozen diamonds. The connection issues are a nightmare but alot of veteran players would agree multiplayer hopping is pretty effective for trophies

[mortal rain]

PC multiplayer is a hell hole and Console is impossible to get into.

[subtle mica]

Since that last update the MP animal reactions bugs etc. seems to be dramatically improved as well .... Anyway .. don't want to hijack the thread

[mighty rampart]

At the end of the day, I understand wanting to get all the big five on one map entirely. However if it means that by not doing so, that we get 2 more additional new unique species, then I’d much rather that.

Particularly as both lions and buffalo are class 9 animals.

Not having them opens the door to Hippo,Eland, Elephant, Rhino etc

[trail loom]

I would love if everything was on one map, I just think it's ambitious and it might promote the "How do you move forward after that" mindset, to which I really don't want to wait years more to hunt a TLC'd cape buffalo or an elephant, I'd like africa 2 soon even if it's more humble.

It's not like you won't get the big 5, it's just not all in one super elaborate DLC that'd be best saved for last

[mortal rain]

I honestly haven’t seen anything that shows that mindset to be true. And to answer that question… another Africa map.

[mighty rampart]

Ideally 3 African maps in total would cover most of the big name species, but I think getting a third would be quite ambitious

[trail loom]

It's because it objectively hurts the DLC market. If you want to hunt lion, you'd get vurhonga, if you want to hunt elephants or leopard, hypothetically you'd get 2.0. If 2.0 had all the big five, if you want to hunt any of them, you'd most probably get 2.0 and then not many more people would buy vurhonga. Like Wellington and I are saying it's really ambitious and it will promote the reasoning behind this quote (let me get the screenshot)

[mighty rampart]

That’s where my mind is, would love to have them all in the same place. But I think as @trail loom has said from a selling point of view it’s unlikely

[trail loom]

(He's referring to a 2.0 with all the big five)

I mean me personally I'd still get arctic canada or any other interesting reserve after, but there's a process behind the reasoning.

[mortal rain]

In the past 6 months EW has rapidly changed their stance on how Africa 2:0 could work, just like how they told us to make more noise.

[mighty rampart]

This is true, opinions and stances are never concrete.

Things to change. But again we have no way on knowing about what, when or how.

So let’s keep hoping for the best!

[trail loom]

Well, this thread has been at the top of the feedback thread for a few months short of a year it looks like, and it has lots of big game, so as long as we keep making noise hopefully it comes to fruition sooner than later

[subtle mica]

I disagree with this point. There are multiple maps where you can hunt Red Deer, Bears, Moose, Wolves and any number of duplicated animals. Map exclusivity is not a reason to leave the Lion off 2.0

[mighty rampart]

The other point here is, that the species list will be limited, keeping it fully unique with no repeat species allows 2 additional large animals to
Be in game (given that buffalo and lions are class 9 species)

Elephants are our flagship for Africa 2 , so not having L or B allows for things like Eland, and hippos which have been heavily requested

We may only get one additional Africa map, so let’s aim for as much uniqueness as possible

[subtle mica]

You listed animals that are already on the current Afircan map ... such as the Cape Buffallo and varietys of Oryx, Warthogs, Springboks ... all repeat species.

[mighty rampart]

That’s because the idea has evolved past a specific map request and ventured into a general call for a Africa 2.
The Likelihood is that there will be repeat species, but I’d like as many of the new ones on this as possible. Ideally no repeats but I find that unlikely. Which is why I don’t want them throwing all the big five on one map, more complete the big five by having them all ingame (even if they’re on two separate maps)
It’s your first time here from what I remember, so you won’t be privy to this, but you are the first person to get the wrong end of the stick (which isn’t your fault)

It could be in zim, SA, Botswana wherever, that’s not important what is is getting as many unique spcies as we possibly can.

[noble knot]

What annoys me is the constant re assuring that they listen to the community but yet no official word the map happening this is the map the vast majority wants and No comment I am speaking a bit brazenly pardon me about that it is just a thought

[mighty rampart]

I think they are pretty good tbf, we’ve gotten some direct interaction from Vizi in the last month, as well as having questions about this map answered on the last dev stream with jaxi and developers.

Not to mention that we often feature in conversation of jaxi’s personal streams.

No other map gets as much interaction as ours by a proper long shot.

So be reassured by that

[patent agate]

Not knocking the nice ones, but take the black one, use the rusted metal and worn wood materials from the Halloween Event and suddenly you have the gun you SHOULD have found at the poacher camp in vurhonga's storyline. BTW, yeah, that dark one is awesome

[trail loom]

That's pretty cool. My favorite look for a gun is one you don't want to scratch though lol

[patent agate]

I admit to being an old man at heart, I like my guns to be proper "working rifles". The kind that have stories behind them and a reputation for keeping people safe and bellies full

This pretty much what my favorites all look like. I don't have much imagination I guess lol

[mortal rain]

I much prefer the default furniture on the .470, only thing I have added is the Easter Matte Black Metal.

[patent agate]

Does look really nice, gotta say.

Y'all since I found out it was a thing I've been obsessed with Rigby's .350. They're making new models for it now and the old ones are just incredible pieces of work too.

[trail loom]

Damn, that looks good. I wish I was around for that event, I'd put the matte black metal on the majority of my rifles.

[noble knot]

That is true

[old saffron]

I feel like this suggestion is going to hit 1.5k likes within just a bit longer ^^ very much hope we start to see a slew of Africa maps after which ever map is upcoming!

[final current]

My personal take on weather Lions and Buffalo should be on Africa 2.0 or not: Regardless of weather Africa 2.0 ends up being the last map for the game or not, I am fully expecting Lion and Buffalo on Africa 2.0. Vurhonga is one of my least favourite maps (Parque is dead last for me) and with Lion and Cape Buffalo being some of my favourite species in the game I would like to be able to hunt them on a new African Reserve instead of those two species being restricted too a reserve I barely enjoy, and heck if Lion and Cape Buffalo are the only reused species that would be fine with me, I only hunt Vurhonga if a Hunt Club Beta challenge specifically requires I hunt a species there

[dense folio]

Ok?

[untold maple]

Yeah, the older maps definitely feel more obsolete compared to the newer ones(Vurhonga/Parque specifically). I would definitely like it if they did some work on the older maps

[old saffron]

I’d like lion and cape on another map solely because I’d like them to get new models and them being on a new map gives them the best chance for that. But I don’t really think they Have to be on Africa 2. Though I’m of the strong opinion of hoping we get more then 2 Africa maps so….

Only one more would leave so many great animals out of it unless the map was truely massive and had like 20 species.

[final current]

Parque could use a good number of new species that would be exclusive too it like Rhea, Culpeo Fox, Guanaco, Patagonian Sheep, Pere David's Deer and some smaller animals like Viscacha, Dove, some duck species and other birds like perdiz and monk parakeet

[final current]

Honestly Africa 2.0 should be the biggest reserve in the game to ensure we get the Big 5 and a number of highly requested Plains Game animals like Kudu, Eland, Sable and Zebra to name a few

[old saffron]

While the current Africa map definitely shows its age, I don’t hate it and would be fine having to brave it if lions just got some TLC

[final current]

Removing Eurasian Wigeon from Vurhonga would also improve it too

[patent agate]

If Parque gets a tlc then I vote for maned wolves and king vultures.

(I know nothing of their ranges just that they look amazing, the only reason I go to parque is the free .338)

[old saffron]

My dream is two of the big five each across three maps (one of them being paired with hippo or giraffe, since there’s an odd number, and who ever isn’t chosen to be that “pair” is still included somewhere) rather then all of them slapped in one map

So for example elephant-rhino on one map, leopard-lion on another, cape-hippo or giraffe on a third

[final current]

I would rather Guanaco and some normal gamebirds myself (I am also against adding vultures as a huntable species in a game like COTW)

As for the range of these two species, they are restricted to the tropical areas of Northern Argentina, mind you Peccary are too (I think wild boar would have fit Parque a bit better)

[final current]

To go with that here is my take: Rhinoceros and Leopard on a Namibian Reserve, Elephant, Giraffe and Hippo (plus Crocodile) on another map and that leaves Lion and Cape Buffalo (with hopes for an overhauled Vurhonga that could be changed to be set in East Africa)

[patent agate]

I know vultures are an odd choice but they look so unique I think it would be a cool and unusual addition

[old saffron]

Imo I’d rather the ones we already have be paired with fully new content but it’s not like I’d be mad with just a vurhonga redo lol

[final current]

As something you can’t shoot at wouldn’t be to bad (though that begs the question of how to make them so they don’t affect how many animals we can have on a reserve)

Also the only Vulture found all across Argentina is the Turkey Vulture funny enough

[old saffron]

Ignore me mispelling vurhonga and having to edit it so muchI’m fighting for my life against autocorrect lol

Wanted to make it Virginia….

[final current]

Fair, then in that case
• Rhino, Cape Buffalo and Giraffe in South Africa (since Vurhonga is apparently in Botswana according to an ancient EW post on Twitter)
• Leopard and Forest Elephants on a jungle map
• Savannah Elephants, Lions and Hippos on an East African reserve
• Vurhonga still gets a bit of a redo

Edit: Plus a Plains Game only reserve

[patent agate]

Turkey vultures are the only vultures I have personal experience with and I despise them for reasons. . .

Otherwise, as a non game animal it would only lower the population of other game, aside from that is there a particular reason why vultures should be excluded from a game that let's you hunt tigers?

[final current]

I do recall being against the inclusion of tigers and to an extent I still have some reservations about them

But they are fun from a gameplay standpoint point, even if my character has been eaten several times

Vultures do not seem like they would be fun to hunt, they are either soaring about in the air looking for carrion or gorging themselves on carrion

If I want to shoot vultures in a video game, I’ll just boot up Red Dead Redemption 2

I suppose from a gameplay standpoint vultures could serve as a way for players to find animals that they shot and could not find after a while, though the Bloodhound apparently does this (I only have the Labrador Retriever DLC)

[old saffron]

Those new maps sound good to me! I don’t particularly care about the order as long as what I stated is done. Back filling a few animals to vurhonga after those maps are done would be easy if that’s what you mean by redo and I support it!

[final current]

Plus the Nepalese government was considering reopening tiger hunting

The only reason I have heard of people hunting vultures is because of their status as a pest (Black Vultures are the only ones I have heard of being a threat to livestock) or because of some tribal beliefs that the body parts of a vulture have some magical or medicinal properties, and while tigers get shoot for these same reasons, they were also a game species at one point

[final current]

East African Reserve would allow for the Lesser Kudu to be removed from Vurhonga in favour of another species

[patent agate]

Interesting

Either soaring in the sky or gorging themselves on the ground?

So, geese?

I don't find geese very fun either but having a very small groups of large birds that have no zones of their own but tend to gather at other predators feed zones seems like a more interesting mechanic than sit in a blind in an open field with a bunch of decoys in front of you and waiting ages for something to come by doesn't really sound fun to me either

[old saffron]

I’m not really someone who actually knows where animals reside very well so lesser kudu can be there or not to me as long as they’re in the game somewhere! I just hope they also get a visual upgrade lol they’re so pretty but the models like most of vurhonga show their age

[patent agate]

Yea, lesser kudu would be way more interesting with a proper remodel

[old saffron]

Yes!!! I think they’re the ones where the tuff of fur renders goofy on their back if ur looking at them from afar with night vision lol

I absolutely fell in love with the remodeled black buck (they’re so ridiculously pretty to me), I don’t think kudu would be quite as high in terms of favorites to me but they’d be very good with a remodel with the quality the teams been putting out

[trail loom]

Yea word. Imo Cape buffalo needs a TLC more than any other animal

[trail loom]

That’s pretty elite

After consideration I would definitely prefer seeing black rhinoceros, I feel like them being paired with leopard and maybe hippopotamus if they were to do a 3 map split for Africa’s big 5/dangerous 7 would be the most appealing

[untold maple]

Replace springbok with gazelle,add some East African plains game(Gerenuk), another predator(striped hyena) and Vurhonga would make for a good Tanzania map

[final current]

Change up the Gemsbok to Fringe-eared Oryx or Besia Oryx and change up the wildebeest to match the local subspecies also

I do agree though that Vurhonga would make for a pretty good East African reserve, though that would also require a number of changes to the story to fit the locale

[untold maple]

Vurhonga just requires a bunch of changes

White bearded gnu

[untold maple]

Can you imagine having to quick draw against a lion

[trail loom]

I haven't hunted lions in years really, is their charge lock on pretty accurate or nah?

[patent agate]

Yes actually, you gotta do it in RDR2 and that thing is faster than the legendary gunslinger

IRL, absolutely f-ing not

[trail loom]

Because for an africa 2 map I really would like if it's not a relief if your quarry goes aggressive, like "Oh, okay it went aggressive. My follow-up is guaranteed for when it runs past me like an NPC and shows me its lungs"

[mortal rain]

It’s wicked accurate

[trail loom]

Alright cool, because I know they one tap.

[mortal rain]

Extremely quick.

[patent agate]

Why do they look mildly cursed? Something about them makes me feel confused and slightly annoyed

[untold maple]

73 inch greater kudu bull from Mozambique In 1963

[untold maple]

I’m pretty sure they made that mission based on John king fisher.
He went to a traveling circus were a tiger escape captivity, he shot and killed the tiger and had its hide be made into a pair of riding chaps

[patent agate]

That annoys me so much more. IT WAS A FREAKING LION.

I can stack 99 wolf pelts on my horse's a** plus a grizzly pelt but the only thing I get from a LION is the paw for a trinket You can't even see!!!!????

Gimme a set like the white bison or grizzly if you're going to have all that build up on a mission

[untold maple]

And turkeys on each side of the horse

[mortal rain]

At least give me some chaps!

[patent agate]

Bro, gimme a coat with the mane for a collar and a hat with teeth

[untold maple]

I’ve got a pair of blue wildebeest(not exactly lion or tiger but still pretty exotic)

Quick change of topic
Found a golden sable

[mortal rain]

That’s awesome😂😂😂

[patent agate]

I hope that's a rare when we get sable, it's gorgeous

[mighty rampart]

I’ve got one as a rug!

[untold maple]

I’ve got one too, mine is a golden wildebeest

[patent agate]

If you could pick any antelope to make a coat from, which would it be and why?

[untold maple]

Kudu hide

Currently I have a pice of bongo hide that I’m planning on putting on the back of a vest

Springbok would also be a good choice because it’s quite soft

[patent agate]

I'm kinda thinking of nyala, it's a really unique look

[untold maple]

Both male and female would look really nice

They’re not antelope, but elephant, hippo, and Cape buffalo would all be great for a jacket

Hippo especially because it’s soft like velvet

[patent agate]

The lighter hide, female I suppose? Looks like it would make an absolutely gorgeous rifle case

[untold maple]

Can’t go wrong with a rifle case

[patent agate]

I wonder, could you do a cull hunt and lower the price of the tags because you aren't after "trophies" to get an extra hide or two per trip?

I'd love to just have a collection of nice hides up on the wall

[untold maple]

It depends on what you’re going after, you can shoot a dozen springbok, impala and blesbok but not sable.

Also a nyala bull is just majestic. On my first hunt we encountered a bull and it was one of the most unforgettable sights one can see. Like seeing an elk in front of you

[untold maple]

Found some interesting vintage safari photos, figured I might as well share them

[leaden wave]

Need one of those in game

[untold maple]

A very cool action photo

[sick zodiac]

I want that in my room pronto

[patent agate]

Where can I get an obnoxiously large poster if this?!

[untold maple]

A printer I would imagine

[patent agate]

I might legitimately go and see if a sign company can print this

I'm not insane, I just happen to have a buddy who's birthday is next Wednesday and he's a bowhunting addict so this seems like a perfect gag gift

[untold maple]

I wonder if there’s a poster store or something like that

Just looked it up, it’s a thing

[dire flume]

Everyone make sure to vote for Africa in the new survey

[final rivet]

Yes

[mighty rampart]

^^^^

Put my vote down, let’s bang the drum for exotic locations away from the US!

[trail loom]

"Variety of animals" Biggest animals are all cattle and a croc so it can't be excellent

[mighty rampart]

Wdym?

[trail loom]

let me see those hippos, rhinos and elephants and my vote goes straight to excellent though

[trail loom]

It was on the Poor through Excellent rating on different aspects of the game. If majority of the class 9's are bovids with the same set of animations I can't say the variety is excellent

[glad loom]

Y'all what 3 locations did you choose for a new map in the survey?
Mine was:

1. Africa
2. South America
3. North America

[trail loom]

Africa
Asia
NA

[mighty rampart]

Agree fully

[trail loom]

NA still has a possibility of jaguars, and I would rather a polar bear standing in my lodge than anything exclusive to SA.

[glad loom]

Why would they make a second Mexico reserve for Jaguars where there are countries and places left in South America to explore
P.S. I agree nothing can top Polar bears, the only reason I put NA 3rd is because they don't specify in the survey, if we all choose NA, devs might think "Oh, let's make NEM 2.0, they want it 💀"

[trail loom]

ngl, I dead forgot rancho was a map. My mistake

[mighty rampart]

Nearly at 1500

[trail loom]

either way if it were up to me, I'd vote africa 3 times over again

[glad loom]

3 more Africa maps > anything

This one with BIG 5, Namibia desert, and African Jungle map will make perfect Africa 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0

[trail loom]

not really what I meant but sure lol. This is my dream map though more or less, I think I've wanted it since years ago when all I would hunt was cape buffalo

[fleet forge]

I hope if we get a new Africa reserve with the big five I also hope they had Cheetahs too

[mighty rampart]

Even more reason for more than 2 african maps in the future!

[glad loom]

New challenge: heart shot a cheetah that's on the run 💀

[fleet forge]

The Ultimate Challenge and test of Skill

[trail loom]

If I were to list my top 5 animals to get through africa maps in order, it'd be Cape buffalo (Tlc, it's always going to be my favorite), black rhinoceros, hippopotamus, bush elephant, lion.

[glad loom]

Imagine in cotw seeing a cheetah running in the Savanna while giraffes and zebras are feeding far in the distance, I'll pass out of happiness

GIVE ME THE ULTIMATE AFRICA

[fleet forge]

Also while we see the cheetah running a herd of Gazelles and Impala, we also catch a glimpse of a leopard sleeping in a tree while a clan of spotted hyenas feast on their most recent kill only to be chased off by a back of African Wild Dogs and herd of Elephants Drink from the local Watering hole

[glad loom]

Aaaaaaaaaaaa

[noble knot]

Africa
South America
Asia

[trail loom]

Long as africa is 1 on majority of people’s most requested we’re chilling

[patent agate]

Voted Africa, eastern Europe, and NA since they didn't offer a choice for Australia or New Zealand

[untold maple]

That’s what it should have been for so long now

[glad loom]

Bet somebody chose:

1. Western European
2. Mediterranean
3. Eastern European

[untold maple]

Europe took up to much space for that one, they could have just said Europe

[fleet forge]

Although now I have a question for another North American map, which one would probably be your topic if this was the final choice for North America?

[noble knot]

We dont need more north america for a little bit

[untold maple]

It would definitely have to be something polar. Otherwise BC or Texas

But they should focus more on Africa

[trail loom]

Polar Canada probably

But like the two above me said, africa 2 first please 🙏

[mortal rain]

Need I say more

[noble knot]

You’re right

[haughty nimbus]

I would love to see 2 or 3 Canada maps just because the hate it gets.

[fleet forge]

Yeah, I’d love to see an Arctic map, plus BC, Texas and Maybe Montana…. Also ironically a NJ Reserve just for the hate and the Memes

[untold maple]

Can you imagine being charged by a lion while being the camera man

[patent agate]

It's bigger than him

[mighty rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1299351127061434438

[dire prism]

I voted for Africa 1st and Asia 2nd

Asia mostly because of Altai Argali and Altai Ibex; these things have crazy horns

Both are present in Mongolia down into the northern reaches of the Tibetan Plateau and much of the altai mtns, so a reserve with them could also be a an opportunity for more snow leopards

[haughty nimbus]

I put Asia 2nd for this reason also. Africa was 3rd.

[mighty rampart]

Would be amazing!

[patent agate]

I couldn't get it as large as I wanted but I got one lol

[untold maple]

That’s cool

[patent agate]

9x12 feet. It was actually surprisingly cheap and my wife isn't even mad.

His wife will be

He y'all would you like seeing boxes like these in the menus instead of just pictures of the ammo?

[old saffron]

Exactly what mine was lol

Africa first because obviously, South America next because we don’t nearly have enough for that area, Asia last since we just got Nepal but still plenty to be done there

Only reason I’d want another NA map is a fully arctic one with the mentioned polar bears but I’d love if we explored other areas first rather then the already 6 NA maps to 8 other continents maps

NA simply has so many already and the other regions have been hurting for new and fresh maps way more. Polar bears eventually but def not the top of my list right now

[noble knot]

Love the art on ammo boxes

[noble knot]

Ay that’s my exact list too

[mighty rampart]

Boxes with character!

I hope Africa 2 is stacking up a nice vote count!

[patent agate]

I hope. . .

[old saffron]

Each type of ammo having their own box displayed instead of just the bullets would sure make remembering them easier

[untold maple]

It would definitely make a nice difference

[patent agate]

I totally stole your name idea and altered it slightly lmao

#1299503367579504782

[untold maple]

The amount of work that went into safaris back in the early golden age days was insane

[mighty rampart]

Go for it!

[patent agate]

I posted it so hopefully it'll get some interest.

If any of you guys want to post your own designs for the ammo boxes then I'm okay with it as long as EW and the mods are okay with it

[patent agate]

Gotta point this out because it's both amazing and terrifying at the same time.

the hippos jaws are wider than that man's shoulders

[dusky oak]

I put Africa as num 1 next reserve in the survey

[final current]

Mine were Africa, Asia and North America (with the hopes for the Canadian Arctic)

[dusky oak]

Africa
Eastern Europe
Asia

[untold maple]

Same here. My logic was big 5, Markhor/marco polo sheep, and polar bears/ muskox

[glad loom]

For what animal y'all want Asia?

[final current]

Argali Sheep of some kind weather it ends up being Marco Polo Sheep or one of the Mongolian subspecies is my main want for Asia which means as far as that goes I am hoping for Central Asia, though Pakistan, Japan and Malaysia are all areas I would be interesting in seeing in the game someday as far as Asia goes

[untold maple]

Markhor, Marco Polo sheep, ibex, Maral stag, takin, chiru and saiga would be pretty cool

[glad loom]

Yea. Sounds cool, my thing is, we have 6 NA maps, 3 Europe maps, 2 Asia maps and 2 Oceania maps, but we have only one Africa and one South America, they need a 2nd map

[untold maple]

Imagine the diamonds from the rest of the dangerous 7

[fading saddle]

😮

[manic vigil]

a massive and bulky diamond Nile Croc is a dream of mine

[noble knot]

Stunning

[gilded meteor]

Coolest animal ever

[untold maple]

They really are

[mighty rampart]

Dangerous 7 when?

[untold maple]

Hopefully in June(if the keep going with the one map a year thing)

[edgy holly]

they said it wasn’t on the game plan (which they said works about a year and a half to two years ahead) in june or may so the earliest would be in two years in june or about one and three quarter years

[untold maple]

Unless they were trying to throw us off

[edgy holly]

i frankly doubt it if they were trying to throw us off it might have happened in place of nepal other maps in north america or asia all have a high likelihood as well I’m just being a realist unfortunately

[mighty rampart]

Being a realist you’ll be well aware that plans can have and do change.

We’ve had an unprecedented amount Of attention from the developers and the community managers about our idea over the last 7 months.

[patent agate]

We've been getting attention on the post for a while now and they seem more interested so I'm wondering if they've decided to maybe bump the order of the maps.

They must recognize by now that we'd be more than interested in A2.0 and there's a good chance we'd pay enough to make it worth their time

[mighty rampart]

100%, they’ve noted the demand for it, all we have to do is sit a watch.

[patent agate]

Yeah, I know I'm excited to see it and I'm sure it'll be great considering how amazing the last couple maps have been

I could do without the aggro afro kitty ambush tho, lions have boxed me 2x this morning already

[mighty rampart]

They should make them a little more aggressive

Could give them the stalking that tigers have,

[patent agate]

Actually would love to see that, and I hope when they eventually add leopards that they use the same mechanics as the snow leopard.

I actually wouldn't mind if there was a lower population of lions and they ran in small groups of 2 or 3

[untold maple]

Lions really do need a TLC. New mechanics and new models

Coolest dinner party ever

[mighty rampart]

Heaven

[untold maple]

It must be a hunting club or something

[patent agate]

Incorrect, Heaven is uninhabited wilderness were you can hunt for months with seeing anyone

[languid fox]

Today I had the idea of making Plains Zebra subspecies into the Common/Uncommon coats (for simplification).. tbh after thinking it through, it’s made me yearn for zebras 🥲 Love Vurhonga but there’s so much more I hope they’re planning for Africa. Elephants would be especially cool too

[trail loom]

I didn’t think the brown Cape buffalo fur type was actually real

Should definitely be a rare though, like the pink feral hogs.

Hopefully that gets changed whenever they’re reworked

[patent agate]

It's actually pretty common in some areas, I was surprised too

[noble knot]

LET ME IN LET ME IIIINNNN!!!!

[mortal rain]

Now what food would be served🤔

[untold maple]

More so in west Africa Especially

[untold maple]

An all vegan 12 course meal

[mortal rain]

Could you imagine having a bunch of vegans eating in this room😂

It’d be like a bomb went off

[untold maple]

They would be curled up in the the corner just foaming at the mouth

[noble knot]

stewed pefowl and cape buffalo steak

[untold maple]

A charcuterie board made up of Nile goose foie gras, kudu tartar, buffalo biltong, wineland grapes, Belnori feta, dalewood Huguenot, and I’ll think of more things for an African charcuterie board

Wild African bee honey

( not apart of the charcuterie board) roasted gem squash would be seen

[mortal rain]

Fine Marula Fruit Wine

[untold maple]

Buttermilk rusks, figs, pickled green figs, Karoo olive tapenade, and dried dates

[dense folio]

Who'd have time to eat with all that to look at?

[untold maple]

You can look up as you take a swallow of some game meat

[gilded meteor]

You’re not being a realist. You have to take into consideration Africa has been a big ask for a long time. Then this feed was created in January I believe and has become the most liked feedback channel on their discord. It was widely popular during sundarpatan so they wouldn’t have started a new map yet so they definitely could’ve started working on an Africa map after that June release.

I have a weird feeling that we are going to get a map sooner based of some of the weird stuff Jaxy is saying tho

[mighty rampart]

100% let’s hope

[noble knot]

Most of the community managers have been active recently and off of past patterns is when something is going on

[gilded meteor]

Granted I don’t think we are getting Africa 2.0 this soon. I think we are getting another map probably this winter and then the next map being Africa.

If I had to guess a winter map has also been highly requested and that would be easier because they could reuse more species

[mighty rampart]

We will see

[gilded meteor]

I want this map so bad but I wouldn’t cry over a Arctic map

[trail loom]

I’ll be satisfied with polar bears first, definitely

I’d of course rather africa 2 just be in the game for me to default to though. That’s the map I’ll play the most permanently once it releases

[patent agate]

I'm curious, out of the maps we have right now, which ones would you guys want to see included at launch of CotW 2?

[mortal rain]

I think EC and a updated medved (seals, more birds, etc) would be great as a starter map

[patent agate]

I'm all for EC and maybe Sundarpatan (as long as it doesn't curse me with 9 resets again)

[untold maple]

I would say the more recent maps( sundar, EC)

[noble knot]

Srp would be a good starter it’s already a good map for new players imagine it updated with more birds and fixed spawn location for mountain goats

[mighty rampart]

Anyone talked about storks yet?

• variations

[patent agate]

No offense if you like them, but can we BAN shoebills? It's not that I particularly dislike them but I love hunting by ear in thick vegetation so I know for a fact that hearing those things calling would absolutely throw me off (a cliff)

[dense folio]

people do regularly hunt shoebill though, right?

[untold maple]

Marabou, yellow billed stork, saddle billed stork, open billed stork, and of course shoe bill stork(or whale head stork depending on who you ask)

[untold maple]

I know Teddy Roosevelt hunted a couple of shoebills on his safari, but otherwise I don’t think anyone is allowed to hunt shoebills

Woolly necked stork, Abdim’s stork, white stork, and black stork

[patent agate]

Love the iridescent look of those feather along the back of the neck. It's super pretty but I wonder if the lighting in the lodges would show it?

[untold maple]

Yeah the sun was in just the right spot when I took that photo of the black stork

[patent agate]

Are they common? Honestly I'd love to see it in game and a sort of rare occurrence along the banks of the rivers

[untold maple]

I would imagine so, population of 44k

[patent agate]

Yeah that's great but what I mean is I kinda don't want to see flocks of them. I'd like to see pairs or maybe trios, I've never seen more than two or three storks together at any river I've ever been on

[glad loom]

Y'all think we'll get this map before reaching 10000👍🏼 ?

[trail loom]

yes

[final rivet]

10,000 is a lot

[patent agate]

I'm betting we get 2.0 before we reach 2500.

3.0 before 5k is my next sincere hope

[trail loom]

yea this thread has been up for close to a year I think

majority of the people who were going to view the thread probably did by now unfortunately

but we made plenty of "noise". Plus with alot of people putting africa as their #1 for the next map they want, I think the thread and the community did its job. It's just waiting time now

[untold maple]

It definitely would be interesting to so see a chart of what people choose on the survey

[trail loom]

would be cool

[mighty rampart]

Not quite yet a year, I think I made this back in March

But yes it’s now over double the size of the next most requested reserve.

[trail loom]

Oh, I thought it was January

[fleet forge]

I wonder what a Diamond Cheetah would look like

Also Here’s Hoping we get BOTH Cheetahs and Leopards for an Africa 2.0 Map!!!! SPOTTED CATS FOR THE WIN!!!!!!

[patent agate]

Splatterkats

[mighty rampart]

Fingers crossed!

[mighty rampart]

Given a few posts about trapping that I’ve seen on this sub, it’s important for Africa 2 to once again reinforce through its story missions that snares and claw traps or anything like that are incredibly inhumane and cruel.

We hunt with passion and admiration for the game we track down. We don’t achieve that through pain and distress with any of these things

[patent agate]

You're not wrong in the slightest but the methods you see used in Africa are not the same as how it's done elsewhere.

For example. The law here in the west US requires either deer stops (a wire strip that stops the snare loop from closing on a deer's leg) or a breakaway (literally a pin device that will snap once a certain weight is applied) to prevent non target animals from .being captured.

By law, we have to check the traps every 24 hours too

[final current]

Pretty similar to how its regulated in Canada from what I could read up on

[mighty rampart]

100% there’s different forms, any some are better than others.

But I still don’t think these are brilliant, they can go wrong.

I don’t see it as something the dev should add given things they’ve mentioned about ethics in the past.

I’m glad America has a system in place, the rest of the world to my knowledge lacks these laws to try and make it more ethical.

Do the breakaway one break the actual noise? Or just the part that’s anchored to a tree of pinned in

[trail loom]

I’m against trapping because it’s not fair chase. If you want to kill an animal you should engage in hunting it, not putting some technology in the woods to snag it unknowingly. It’s no better than snag fishing.

[patent agate]

The loop of the snare is held by the breakaway device, if it is hit with enough weight it snaps open (LOUDLY). There's also strict laws involved in how a snare or trap is placed.

For example, I can't place it on a trail or pathway, it has to be a set lure and the only exception to that is beaver trapping.

[mighty rampart]

I’ll defiantly look into this, it sounds very unique.

What’s the rough cost of these?

[patent agate]

See, you say that and I know without a doubt you've never seen how much work it actually takes. It's not like you just dig a pit and wait. You have to find trails, narrow corridors, killsites, or scent mounds and set up a trap location off the actual trail.

You need to have several things go your way to get one trap to produce, that's why most trappers set a dozen or more spread out over miles

@mighty rampart depends on particular laws or sets you intend to do. A full kit will set you back 500 or more but you can usually replace the snares themselves for around 50 and if you can save the ground anchors it'll save you another 50. Breakaways are included in the snares when they're built.

The loop connection is the breakaway device, they snap off if you catch something too large, like a deer. To actually make this snare legal to use in my area I'd have to add a brass tag with my name, address, and license number for quick ID from the wardens

Oh yeah, that little spring you see is a type of stop that prevents the loop opening too wide. Let's say a bear gets too curious about the snare and sniffs around, that spring stops it from opening up enough to get around the bears head. The break away would snap right open but it also makes the snare useless. The spring is there to give your snare a chance to survive and still be usefl

[trail loom]

Typical “Clearly someone who doesn’t know about -blank-” response. My dad told me all about how he trapped constantly for money back in the day and it wasn’t very enthralling. The excitement is the money you get for selling the pelt or whatnot, not the thrill of the hunt. Point is, you’re not there when it happens. It doesn’t matter how much work goes into it, it’s not fair chase and the animals senses are useless in aiding it, it’s just “too bad” if it happens to wander in the wrong spot.

You can trap if you want and I’m not saying it should be banned but it’s not honorable hunting or sportsmanship

[mighty rampart]

I’m not a fan of it as I’ve made clear, however there is a point where you enter pest control reasons for trapping, sometimes to enable animal relocation.

Regardless let’s stick to Africa on here. I know I’m not always the most diplomatic of people, but something as valuable as Africa 2 needs to be protected from arguments.

[trail loom]

Oh, I get that, yea. It’s like people shooting feral hogs from vehicles and stuff, that’s eradication, not hunting. I respect the difference. I agree on the last part though, I just felt the need to respond.

[patent agate]

I'd say the same about sitting in a blind over a field of alfalfa you've grown specifically for the deer or a feeder spewing out corn. If the only thing that excites you is the money then you're the problem.

To be honest, if you set a dozen snares and catch 2 animals you're doing better than most everyone. I've never trapped to make money, just to catch problem animals like coyotes, skunks and possums that were either taking livestock or getting into gardens.

[patent agate]

Then here's something you might appreciate. It's called a spring snare, state game commissions use them to catch and relocate animals like wolves, bears and mountain lions. Tbh, they're cheap because they get absolutely destroyed by almost everything that sets them off

[trail loom]

Not sure if the first part was directed at me but I’ll clarify I don’t hunt from blinds or stands. In any case, those are problem animals so I understand that, but this is thehunter cotw and problem animals (outside of mountain lions chasing everything lol) don’t really exist.

[patent agate]

Wait, I wanna clarify. CotW as a game absolutely does not need trapping and it would be HORRIFICALLY BORING.

I'm saying that it can and has been done ethically for a long time, it's more humane than a lot of people think and I've gotten sick of getting accused by people who don't understand what's actually happening.

To be clear, if you set your snares correctly then it kills in about 2 minutes, if you set it wrong it just breaks, and 95% of the time the animal will either destroy your set or steal the bait without getting so much as a strand of fur in the trap.

[trail loom]

Oh, my stance was it being unsportsmanlike rather than unethetical. Not important though.

[patent agate]

Well, sportsmanship means something different to everyone so it's a little iffy

But I've had seasons when I get a deer on every hunt and at the same time ended up with 60 broken snares for 2 coyotes. Generally you put in way more work for trapped animals than active hunts

[trail loom]

Last thing I’ll say just to define my terms of why I make that claim is because the animals senses can’t help it. Just figured it’s important to have my definition out there

[patent agate]

Oh man, that's not always true either. Animals are a lot smarter than most people give them credit for. Let's say you catch one coyote out of a pack, the rest of them learn how to avoid traps like that. I had a bobcat figure out that he could just flip the trap upside down and ignore it while he ate.

Or the s little b**terds figure out they can just EAT what you caught and run all your traps before you do

Okay trapping talk aside, I heard something the other night that actually made me angry.

Some time last year a man in South Africa ended up in court for shooting a baboon that had actually broken into his home and attacked him and his wife. The ma. Was literally defending himself and they still took him to court over a monkey

[trail loom]

Kinda weird

[patent agate]

How are baboons protected?

[mighty rampart]

Typical baboon nonsense

[untold maple]

Baboons are just the absolute worst

[patent agate]

Why are we not shooting a couple hundred of them?

Isn't there literal towns over run by these things?

[untold maple]

With trophy fees, it’s like 200 bucks(way to much I say)

[patent agate]

.urder monkeys are not "trophy" animals to me

[untold maple]

What’s worse about baboons is they’re starting to domesticate jackals

[untold maple]

Nor to me…most of the time, sometimes you get a really big one with a huge main and those I tolerate

Like this guy, this guy would be cool to shoot

[patent agate]

Can I ruin this for you?

It's cross-eyed

[final current]

Apparently wolverines are bad for that

[patent agate]

If I was doing a full lodge, then I'd have one baboon for the sake of representation but I simply do not see myself caring enough to have more than one

[untold maple]

Baboon skulls are cool though I must admit

[patent agate]

Something wolverines do as well is spraying an absolutely HORRIBLE scent on the trap and everything around it. It takes weeks to get the scent off and the trap/location are useless

[final current]

They definitely have to the tools for messing a leopard up

[trail loom]

I’d mount loads of those

[mortal rain]

Makes it better, he looks more like a crazed maniac.

[patent agate]

That would be more than enough as far I'm concerned and btw WTH DO YOU MEAN DOMESTICATED JACKALS

[untold maple]

Multiple cases Jackals have been reported living amongst baboon troops

[patent agate]

Brilliant, more annoying humans with big ahh teeth

[untold maple]

Chimps are using grass as fashion, orangutans are using tools, and baboons are domesticating jackals…welcome to the ape Stone Age

Oh and gorillas are being taught sign language

[final current]

They may be catching up to us

[patent agate]

Excuse me, I need to go deal with a few monkeys

[untold maple]

GET EM!

[patent agate]

Pla et of the apes should be enough of a warning

[untold maple]

I’m gonna be so mad if that’s how human civilization ends…by freaking baboons

[final current]

Getting some Cabela’s Dangerous Hunts 2013 Flashbacks

[patent agate]

Except your crossbow won't be sniper rifle accurate at 200 yards lmao

[patent agate]

I was talking to my wife, and she asked why I was looking up baboons. Showed her the headline I posted a bit earlier and she read it, thought for a second, and told me to cancel the plans for our Africa trip

[untold maple]

They didn’t have rifles, tell her y’all will be fine

Also don’t tell her about the domestication thing. She doesn’t need that existential crisis today

Randomly got to the top

[patent agate]

You know, at the very least, they could live trap baboons living in the cities and relocate them

[mighty rampart]

https://youtu.be/gEpI6EcjyTE?si=Z4IPSQqMN4WtAQaJ

Og Africa 2.0

[untold maple]

I’m experimenting with a laser engraver on some leather

[patent agate]

Nice

[patent agate]

Hey, have we discussed the Warden/Wardens for this reserve the trend lately seemes to be two Wardens that more or less talk over each other for like ten minutes at a time and it gets kind of annoying.

Would it be too much to ask to have less dialog when you are trying to stalk animals? It may just be a me issue but I figured I could bring it up here

[mighty rampart]

I gets a little annoying, an option to turn it off would be better.

Yeah warden wise always fun to have a old madala narrating, similar to Vurhonga. Maybe throw in a couple of wild characters too like a local police chief who wants you to check the fences for break ins or for snares. Could be a park warden asking for this as well.

[worldly garnet]

is this coming to the game any time soon???

[untold maple]

That’s what we’ve been hoping/protesting for since January

[untold maple]

Hypothetically what if elephants were a backfill for Vurhonga instead of going on a new African map? How would we feel about that?

Botswana is prime elephant country, and Vurhonga is set in Botswana. So it makes sense for it to be a backfill

[patent agate]

I'm definitely up for options, and I'm not completely against having multiple voiced characters but I would like if they didn't talk over each other or have long conversations while you were trying to do other stuff.

Felt like a third wheel in EC and the new angler map is almost constantly talking

[patent agate]

I really wouldn't mind, honestly it might be for the best considering Vurhonga would need to be updated to take them.

Pretty good chance it would help fix some of Vurhonga's bigger issues as much as it would add a new animal

[trail loom]

I feel like elephants would do better on a new map with different terrain

[trail loom]

Handful of east african species I'd love to hunt in cotw and to hear anyone who wants to pitch in with their thoughts. Topi antelope

Common impala

Would love to see a TLC for oryx and wildebeest

Cape eland. They're slightly larger than cape buffalo I believe, but they're of course less tough. Nonetheless, .375 is still the suggested caliber

[patent agate]

Two more reasons impala are the best class 4 animal

[trail loom]

Some of them get massive frames

[untold maple]

Cape eland are Southern Africa. Livingston eland (Pattersons eland depending on who you ask) are East African

[untold maple]

I’ve seen some where the tips of their horns start touching, creating a circle look

[trail loom]

My fault. I thought cape eland and common eland were the same thing/interchangeable names

[untold maple]

Most people do

[final current]

Well the Cape Eland, Livingstone's Eland and Patterson's Eland subspecies of the Common Eland (Taurotragus oryx) with the Cape Eland (Taurotragus oryx oryx) being found in South Africa, most of Namibia and Botswana while Livingstone's Eland (Taurotragus oryx livingstonii) being found in South Central Africa (Zambia, Mozambique, etc) and the East African/Patterson's Eland (Taurotragus oryx pattersonianus) exist in Eastern Africa and can be hunted in Tanzania and Uganda

[untold maple]

And don’t forget the lord derby eland in west Africa

[trail loom]

I was thinking specifically of tanzania, so that means I was thinking of the east african/patterson's I suppose.

[patent agate]

At some point we need a map with giant eland too, the roster for 2.0 is a little full but these guys need to be a thing

It sucks that their range is so limited but tbh, I'm not gonna complain about 5.0 if it comes to that

[untold maple]

The top of my dream hunt list(irl)

[patent agate]

I can see why, such a massive animal but it looks gorgeous

[untold maple]

I’m obsessed about them

[patent agate]

Well that's interesting

Found a size comparison chart for people who aren't familiar with them, starting to love this website for all the information it gives

[patent agate]

Wish we had mounts like these in game. They could fill out some empty places

[trail loom]

that size chart is a little sketchy

Cape buffalo and elk are comparable shoulder height, the chart does not reflect that at all

[patent agate]

It says shoulder height in inches right under the name.

[mystic token]

what game is that, the graphics look ass

[dusky oak]

I think it’s not a game it’s a painting or something hence the website and copyright logo on bottom left…

[trail loom]

Yea it says 65 for cape and 67 for the elk, but the models aren’t scaled right.

Also it shows off Shiras moose as if it looks bigger than Alaskan despite shiras being the smallest moose subspecies in NA and Alaskan being the biggest

[mighty rampart]

Awsome

[mighty rampart]

Why was the vote for Africa post deleted?

[mighty rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1301573492046823434

[mental flicker]

if we dnot get africa 2.0 map like this ima cry

[mighty rampart]

Gents just a quick but important one,

I think it's fair to say that at times we (especially myself) may get a little too overboard with our arguments, I don't think for a second that this stems from a bad place, after all we are all here to beat the drum for Africa 2 and spread our message throughout the community which we have done with great affect over the last 9 months.

However we've had a few recent interactions that in hindsight have not been the most pleasant regardless of who said/started what where and when. And I don't want people to associate our Africa community with any negatives.

As I alluded to previously I am often in the middle of these sticky situations, my passion does get me heated sometimes when people push our buttons. So I for one say sorry to anyone here that feels that they have been at the receiving end of this. I've found myself becoming the defacto leader of this post and arguably the wider Africa 2 community, and with that responsibility a shift in attitude is needed.

I know now that it's time that we instilled a new year 0 in terms of how we discuss, debate and divulge information and opinions with one another. Yes there are people out to push our buttons, people that really don't want to see Africa 2 etc etc. We must stick to our principles of civility with each and every one of them, if there's anyone doing ill I am sure the mods will sort them out, it's not for us to stoke the fires. Let's harness our passion to create a more positive environment and community.

Moving on to a more positive note, we are nearing 1500 upvotes, a colossal number. This shows the appetite for Africa 2 is growing more and more! The contributions that you have all made are excellent, from discussions on flora, fauna and locations I really enjoy reading through what you have all cooked up for us. Hopefully we will see some hints towards Africa from official figures incoming year!

So to conclude, were going to focus on the positives rather than the

negatives, and bring about a much needed change here, but also continue to beat our drum loudly and continue our discussion and civil debate until hopefully, god wiling, we get the ultimate good news that we have all been waiting for.

Onwards and upwards!

-Wellington

[patent agate]

It's not meant to be perfect one to one scales but a comparison to show average sizes. Also, I'm pretty sure they've mixed up the moose species, considering this came from an African website they may be a tiny bit mistaken but it's still a good size comparison

[untold maple]

Art by Fuz Caforio

[patent agate]

Dude, the art is fantastic but my dumb a** saw that first Pic and instantly went

"I should get some buffalo wings. . ."

[untold maple]

That got me dying!!🤣

This would have been my Halloween costume

[patent agate]

I went to a and party, not about to post pics from that mess lol

[trail loom]

mine was bambikilla69

[mighty rampart]

I aspire to dress like this year round

[untold maple]

Me too

[patent agate]

"Fancy a spot of shooting, eh wot?)

N O

[patent agate]

The rail is gone!

No more train tracks on my buffalo buster

[mighty rampart]

!!

[patent agate]

I've just realized the bolt on the .375 is knurled, better grip in tense situations

Yes, I'd rather tear some skin to shoot fast in a bear attack than get mauled

[mortal rain]

I’m just hoping we can use it on bears, lotta people seem to think it’ll be 8-9

[patent agate]

Grizzlies are 8 now tho aren't they? Browns should be too but eh, take what I can get

[trail loom]

I know people use it on elk and stuff

but the 7-9 and 4-8 rifle trend has to stop 💀

[patent agate]

4-8 is by far the worse offender

[mortal rain]

I don’t mind more 7-9 rifles, I mean we only have 4 or so.

[patent agate]

Sorry for the plug

#1268661445097422908 I'm hoping we get this one as a 5/6-9 rifle since it's so popular for big deer aside from the stellar reputation in Africa

[mortal rain]

Would be great to see it in a straight pull bolt

[trail loom]

I'm pretty content as it stands, since we have a nice double barrel and bolt action dangerous game rifles.

[patent agate]

Straight pulls are super interesting

[mortal rain]

We have two dangerous game rifles, the drilling and the .470

[trail loom]

My personal "dream rifle" would be .458 since that's what I own and aspire to hunt cape buffalo with in the future, and that could release with an africa 2, (doesn't matter to me if it's win mag or lott)

[trail loom]

Well, I was counting the .375 on its way. Also I'm aware of 9.3x74r, I own it ingame, it's just pretty weak for some reason.

[mortal rain]

Three is certainly not enough however m, there is a wholeeee world of dangerous game hunting EW has yet to really venture into.

[trail loom]

Despite what the UI says, it seems to have more penetration than the .300 and .338, but the kill time on moose with a lungshot for example is garbage. 0% quick kill, at least .338 gets like 70%

[mortal rain]

It has more penetration for its class range 5-9 (it flattens everything 5-7).

That is what the game calculates for the penetration stat.

But yes, 74R is super anemic for some reason in this game

[patent agate]

Pretty much everything is

[trail loom]

.500 nitro would be awesome but it's kind of a reskin, a straight pull 500 jeffery would be pretty cool though. As I said I'd love .458 the most, but 416 is more of a fan favorite so I'd be more expecting of that as an addition. 400/450 would be cool just because it's the rifle Jim Corbett used on the champawat tiger, but again it's a bit of a reskin.

I think for the sake of uniqueness a straight pull 500 jeffery would be the next cool contender for a DG rifle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCu2XtqoM1Q&list=PLa7R2iFDUEvjAEMu8mPZ8hw86uqhqkrMq&index=18 You can go to 5:15 and 9:00 to see how it shoots if you're unfamiliar

[patent agate]

I'm always up for a heavy duty single, it's one shot but it's putting a big hole in somethings carcass

[frail schooner]

yeah, it absolutely destroys stuff like pigs and red deer, but then it seems to struggle with moose, bison, and buffaloes, it's weird

my guess is it's probably a game balancing move as opposed to fully following realism, bc it'd be an absolutely ridiculous weapon if it could super-quickly drop everything 5-9 (excluding heart and neck shots ofc)

Regardless, I do wish it performed better on the larger classes

[patent agate]

Balance is a funny term for this game, it's just making good guns useless because they nerf them to oblivion to make the newest guns sell better

[frail schooner]

I feel like that's not necessarily the case. For example, I've seen comparisons between the .300 Canning Magnum and the Tsurugi LRR .338, with people preferring the .300 for the lower aim wobble and inventory weight
And personally I've barely noticed a performance difference, despite the Tsurugi being a newer and "shinier" gun

There's definitely a lot of room for improvement when it comes to the ballistics and the class range for various ammunition in the game, don't get me wrong

[patent agate]

Yeah, that's counting a map weapon against a dlc weapon, they're not much different honestly, but then there's .270 and .30-30 against any dlc weapon

[frail schooner]

I definitely agree that guns like the .270 and 30-30 are underpowered
I also feel like even the .243 is a bit on the weaker end (coming from using it irl and not having deer run far, if at all)
And the 30-30 is one of the deer hunting rounds too lol

Though with the mentioning of the .270, I know some people (myself included) are pushing for it to be a 3-7 rifle to help break up the "4-8 hell" situation

(also bc the stradivarius variant has roe deer engravings on it)

[untold maple]

270 could definitely use some love

[patent agate]

Yea, I'm pushing for the .30-30 and. 270 both to be changed to 3-7, both to compete with the 7.62x54r and give them both a new lease on life

[frail schooner]

I don't particularly mind where the 30-30 is currently in terms of class rating bc it's fun to hunt coyotes and bobcats on Rancho with it, but on whitetails it just feels like it's not worth it :(

[patent agate]

Yeah, years of hunting with a .30-30 have proven it is massively overpowered for bobcats and coyotes. I hunt black bear with it every year, and cow elk last yeae

[untold maple]

I can confirm, it destroys duikers(mine didn’t stand a chance)

[patent agate]

I'd happily take on a leopard with mine. Considering how it takes bears down I think leopards and some larger plains game would be just fine. Greater Kudu and similar size

[glad loom]

Y'all I just realized, ever since we took down the rail from 375, it looks exactly like the recent new 7MM lool, hopefully it'll be just as good

[trail loom]

it doesn't look that similar to me

the only resemblance is that it's a bolt action rifle

[trail loom]

You can kill one with it, the problem is convincing a PH to let you 😂

[patent agate]

Except it's magazine fed instead of having the cooler single cartridge reloads

[patent agate]

Some countries don't have a minimum on Leopards

[dusky oak]

Did the devs remove the rail?

[dusky oak]

The .300 kills faster it seems

[trail loom]

Shot my .458 for the first time today, pretty fun.

I sound like a broken record, but I'd like for the .375 to have a similar sound. It's that really heavy pop at the very start if you get what I mean

[deft egret]

Africa 2 is so happening why would they be launching these many big calibers guns? just to shoot moose/bison? nah theyre cooking something

[patent agate]

We've been howling for Africa 2.0 like starving dogs in front of a butcher shop for years now and the .375 was what everyone wanted/expected as Vurhonga's reserve weapon.

.450 bushmaster is more or less a .45-70 clone for AR rifles so people can hunt with them in states with weird restrictions.

Much as I hope 2.0 is the next map, I'm not sure the weapon pack is enough to get my hopes up just yet

[trail loom]

Actually I just thought of something. Let me put audio over the .375 clip

[deft egret]

It might be a door opening to something bigger in a near future I just see them introducing big species later on and with this update, they're ''soft launching'' it with big caliber rifles. to my knowledge, an ''2.0'' of a reserve hasn't been done yet within COTW, so there's no precedence. maybe theyre cooking up something big here that we can't predict, id love that. but to me this is saying something for the future

[dusky oak]

Nice!

[trail loom]

Which do we like more, V1 or V2 for sound effects

[dusky oak]

Neither one. It's a big rifle, it needs a big boom not that weak sounding stuff

[trail loom]

What? These are rifles taken from cape buffalo hunts that the sfx came from

[dusky oak]

Why are they different? I'm confused and why can't they sound more satisfying?

[trail loom]

No, what I'm confused about is how these sound weak. They're taken from bolt action rifles people used on cape buffalo safari's. The actual sound is going to be different ingame, this is just a makeshift video I made, but I don't know what kind of sound you have in mind.

[dusky oak]

Needs nore boom, more bass

[frail schooner]

It's probably just audio quality loss, I know gunfire doesn't always translate well with some microphones

Creepsone also did say "the actual sound is going to be different ingame, this is just a makeshift video i made"

[mighty rampart]

It looks really well done, I’m looking forward to using it on Vurhonga!

[mortal rain]

While I wouldn’t mind Africa 2.0 being the next map, they still need to dip their toes into the dangerous game world the proper way this time. For example please EW, learn how to properly implement Apex Predators.

[frail schooner]

I also wish cape buffaloes were genuinely dangerous, it's really easy to just dodge them bc they're so slow and they take forever to turn

it even feels like yaks and water buffaloes are more aggressive, despite the cape buffalo having an entire reputation

[dusky oak]

I recall a while back many gunshot noises got nerfed so I'm not too confident

[frail schooner]

like, I think the only time I've ever felt like I was hunting "Dangerous Game" was the first time I've ever hunted them, and the "dangerous" vibe wore off quickly when I realized that you can just dance around them

[dusky oak]

I'm all for that. Some people already complain about animal aggressiveness though 🤔 . I love it when I get attacked by anything

[frail schooner]

Same here, I find it more exciting when I get charged by a random water buffalo, especially when I didn't know it was there (bc i wasn't paying attention lmao)

A cape buffalo remodel alongside better aggression and more speed/maneuverability would be awesome, I feel like an animal that's nicknamed "The Widowmaker" and "The Black Death" should live up to that title in-game

Another thing I'd love to see, especially given the tiger stalking behavior, is for wounded buffaloes to run into dense vegetation and wait for people to follow it (like they do irl)

I might actually put together a feedback post for that lol

[trail loom]

if you complain about getting charged by a cape buffalo you have 0 buisness hunting them. They're called dangerous game because that's the sport of hunting them 💀

I 100% agree you shouldn't be able to dance around them. I've commented on improving their lock on twice now. I hate how you can casually take out 5 buffalo charging you consistently every time

[deft egret]

i hate how you can shoot a buffalo from 400, it turns around knowing instantly where you are, then spend 10 minutes to run up to you and do basically nothing

[frail schooner]

I 100% agree, they're one of THE dangerous game species, they should absolutely be an incredibly risky hunt instead of "it's dangerous because it runs in slow motion after me"

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1302074805155139634

[trail loom]

When your reaction to shooting a diamond buffalo is "I think I made a bad shot 😱 . Oh, nevermind it's charging me 😅 I am going to surely make a good followup shot now" there's a problem.

[frail schooner]

Yeah absolutely lol
When I hunted my first diamond cape buffalo, I messed up the first shot and had time to reload my drilling rifle (before I unlocked the reload speed perks), sidestep, and take another shot, so I didn't really feel like I was in serious danger once I realized how easy it was to deal with a charging buffalo

[patent agate]

Hey folks, here's a question since we seem to be on improving dangerous game AI

Should lions be changed? Not just more aggressive and prone to hunting you, but coming in fewer numbers and only one male in a group of 3-5 animals? Kind of imitating the pride structure. Lone males could be a rare thing bit almost always low level

I think I'd like lions more I'd they felt more dangerous and harder to earn

[untold maple]

Lions could most definitely use an upgrade

[patent agate]

I want to feel like I'm hunting an actual predator when I go after lions, not whatever they are now

[trail loom]

I don't think lone male lions being low level is scriptable the way the game is set up, but I don't think that'd be necessary anyways. An old lion or a lion who hasn't taken over a pride can still be a big ass lion

I definitely agree they should be made more prone to charging though, and atleast they're pretty dangerous when they do given they're fast, lock on pretty tight to the player and kill you instantly. They just need to go aggressive more often and probably have better senses

[trail loom]

Not even just one of, they are the #1. I believe cape buffalo are responsible for more hunter deaths than any other animal in the world. (At least with rifle hunting). You should definitely make that behavior thread you mentioned. Cape buffalo either charge on sight, run into the brush and wait for you (they can stand up to 4 minutes after a lung shot, it could be cool for that to be semi-reflected with in-game time) or they may even go full circle around hunters and flank them.

the last two are typically after being wounded

[patent agate]

There's a link already, just scroll up a bit

[mighty rampart]

They should be a little more aggressive though not on par with tigers, a remodel is needed

[patent agate]

Not quite that aggressive but enough to aggro if you snuck in to like 50 yard or so

[mighty rampart]

100% these guys don’t like backing down!

[patent agate]

Yeah, 50 seems like it would be a good distance for it

[trail loom]

Oh lol. I thought that was the old remodel thread

[dire flume]

I would seriously pay 100$ for this map

[untold maple]

I’m willing to pay more for Africa 2.0 but 100 bucks is too much

[frail schooner]

Yeah all jokes aside I'm not dropping $100 on a map for a game

[mighty rampart]

Yeah tad too much

[frail schooner]

I wouldn't even drop $100 for a game to begin with lmao

[dire prism]

id rather spend the money on a scope 💀

[frail schooner]

real

[inland shoal]

My day has bigger kudu horns than that

[dire prism]

provide proof my good sir

[trail loom]

Bro. Those are smaller

[patent agate]

20-25$ would be fine for a map with multiple weapons, at least 2 new big five animals and a new vehicle (Safari vehicle or the jeep from the angler) I might even go 30

[inland shoal]

Still impressive

[mortal rain]

Great kudu nonetheless

[trail loom]

They need to one up vurhonga. I'd like the .458 or .416 but you can't go smaller than the 470 on a map with bigger game.

They need to add the 500 jeffery, 500 NE pistol (Yes, that exists) 577 tyrannosaur, something like that.

[rain solar]

'Game night' in the Kruger - from left: kudu, impala, buffalo, crocodile.

[dire prism]

thats a damn good kudu but its definitely not 70+ inch horns; probably more like 66-68 since they dont have that full third curve in the swirl that 70+ bulls have

[inland shoal]

Ok cool thanks

But there are some other cool things in the background

[trail loom]

By the way, nobody is trying to put down the harvest, it's just because you said it was bigger than a near world record holder

[mortal rain]

Nice croc! How long was he?

[untold maple]

For a long time, it was

[inland shoal]

3.4 meters

[mortal rain]

Nice

[mighty rampart]

Delicious

[dire prism]

yeah that blue wildebeest and the cape buffalo you showed are pretty cool

plus bleached skulls are bleached skulls, theyll always be cool

[untold maple]

Preach!

[mortal rain]

Caliber?

[inland shoal]

.375

[patent agate]

EW please

[old saffron]

quick sketch with slapped on color so ignore the jank but ive had a paler (not quite albino but paler) elephant in my mind thats been obviously rolling around in some red mud for a great one option if elephants where it

[patent agate]

That's super interesting for a color scheme but the tusks kinda lack, how about broken/deeply scarred tusk on one side and the other grown oddly to balance it out? Yes, this can actually happen and it's more common in deer

[old saffron]

i wasnt focused on the tusks ^^ i was just doing the body pattern, otherwise yeah theyd be huge or the like

[patent agate]

The body pattern is awesome but the tusks need to be unique to match it. Otherwise tho I could absolutely see this as a go

[old saffron]

if people are interested I could do a few more sketches since i do have a few tusk ideas but like i said, really was just focused on the body pattern idea since it kept coming back up in my brain! I imagine great one elephants having huge tusks that swing just above the ground as they walk among some other things

[mighty rampart]

100%, we’d love to see some more sketches!

[late pond]

As a bow hunter these would be awesome

[late pond]

I do agree a more authentic behavior is needed esp. between Day/Evening. As a predator hunter I'm begging for predator ai & model reworks as well as ways to hunt them outside of just using the E-Caller.

[untold maple]

Piebald greater kudu

[rain solar]

Leopard spotted in the grass at Kruger today. 6 metres from our car. That's my big 5 finally complete. Couldn't be more chuffed. 🥰

[untold maple]

Leopard are definitely the hardest to find out of the big 5

It’s the only one I’m missing

[rain solar]

It only took me 30 years! 😫

They're all around Skukuza next time you're in SA.

[untold maple]

I heard about this one woman who tried hunting one. It took her 50 nights straight in a blind to get one

[rain solar]

Wow. We were so lucky with this one. We changed our route at the last minute to go down a different road and then my brother just saw the face peeking out the bush as were driving past. We first thought he'd mistaken a speckled rock. LOL. Still can't quite believe it.

[mighty rampart]

So so lucky!

[old saffron]

Here they are! All with the same color scheme. I've wanted the mammoth like tusks (the extremely long ones) and some form of "branched" tusks for a while and I also tossed in the previously discussed idea of one with 4 tusks ^^ i didnt do any with broken tusks because tbh I kinda hope thats just a chance on normal elephants, not excluded to Great Ones

Oh thats an old version of the long tusks, switching them out really fast haha

[mighty rampart]

Give our friends at https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1070045518002147458

Some love!

Awsome suggestions to add polar bears and arctic species to the game!

[trail loom]

me personally, I wouldn't want my great one elephant to be asymmetric, especially considering I don't think the tusk would try to balance the weight anyways. Antlers are designed to fall off and be replaced, the tusk is their literal tooth.

[old saffron]

i wouldnt mind a broken tusk set on a great one but i do want it as just an option in all elephants. in non great ones they probs wouldnt be able to score diamond but itd be cool still

[untold maple]

You gotta show the 4 tusker on https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1278571704838520904

[mystic token]

I would love to see elephants spray water over themselves with their trunks during drink time

[patent agate]

Guess he has an EGO

[trail loom]

If they add elephants I’m curious how the scoring will work considering you are supposed to brainshot them, but their trophy organ is the skull

The map will have to come out with a 50 cal (not bmg) if you want to lung shot with any quick kill at all

[patent agate]

There's not many shoulder fired weapons that could damage a an elephant skull at all, mostly you need penetration with very little expansion to reach the brain. And heart/lung shots are way more effective than you think, at least according to WDM Bell. He preferred a .270/7x57mm for elephants and could reliable drop them with heart and lung shots if he couldn't get the right angle for a brain shot

[mortal rain]

I’m can think of dozens of calibers that should be added instead of .50BMG or any .50 if I’m given a day or so.

[trail loom]

In pretty much every elephant hunt I've watched it's a big caliber with a brainshot. I've never watched a bodyshot myself, but I know they happen.

[mortal rain]

We are missing all the nitros with the exception of .470!!!

[old saffron]

they'll probably just have to throw in a little gameifican and make some of the guns be able to kill on lung shot, or make us do two vital shots?

that or focus the trophy organ solely to the tusks instead of the whole skull

[trail loom]

preferrably this because gamification is one thing yea, but that also would make elephants cripplingly easy to kill given how big of a target they are

the kill-zone should be very small, heart and brain shots preferred since with lung they should be allowed to run like 300 meters or charge and attempt to kill you for the duration. Even cape buffalo stand up to four minutes following a lungshot. Dangerous game is another level of resilient

it's going to be really sad seeing people just snipe grind elephants at drink zones and that's why they probably are such a contentious addition

you should need to get close for maximum penetration.

[old saffron]

i wouldnt really care if they had to gamify it since i dont care about immersion down to such a level, and looking at it, their lungs are kinda weirdly shaped anyway, along with their hearts being quite large

[trail loom]

imo I'd rather they not even be added if lungshotting at 150-300m with the 375 is going to be the standard gameplay

[old saffron]

oh i imagined youd have to get closer to lung shot, 50-70 meters maybe

having to get so close + their weirdly shaped lungs I think would be fine to allow lung shots. otherwise yeah youd have to brain or heart. i just wouldnt wanna make people HAVE to brain or heart on a potential great one candidate id like that lung option

[trail loom]

Well I never argued against it being an option, I just want there to be a consequence (eg. you have to track them a very long way) to encourage players to get very close like you're supposed to when elephant hunting irl.

they have a large heart, it's not a hard target to shoot consistently after some practice. It just requires good penetration which you're not getting far beyond effective range of the bullet

[old saffron]

yaya i get that.

i think players would have to get very close to lung shot otherwise u have to get very good at heart or brains. which w their hearts being so big i think itd be like croc neck shot difficulty. not impossible but a skilled player can get it down

edit: yup, exactly! ^

[trail loom]

I've been doing research and a brainshot is definitely not an easy shot to make, that requires practice because despite their intelligence, in proportion to the skull it's quite small, but then again who would vouch for elephant hunting to be beginner friendly lmao

that's as close as you can get to an "end-game" huntable.

[old saffron]

yeah i would just not like it to be only brain shots, because while you have to make sure you dont gamify too much, i think u have to also not lean into realism too much. finally getting a great one elephant to pop and ONLY having brain shots would be...something lol i think doing it the way we've put together would still allow flexibility while also still having a high skill level

[trail loom]

Mhm. The way we discussed it is good. You can lungshot a really high value elephant if you want a safe shot but you are going to have to track alot if you want to shoot every elephant you see like that.

[old saffron]

yup! will def have people really practicing nailing those heart shots LOL i love doing crocs with the neck shots, probs one of the most satisfying things, so ill def be putting in the time to learn the heart shots if we get them on elephants

[trail loom]

also just on the topic of great ones, imo, the best candidate is a leopard assuming not every animal or member of the big five will get one (Which realistically, they will not)

[trail loom]

Yea same. I neck shot crocs almost always unless there's terrain in the way.

[old saffron]

im fine with pretty much any of the big five getting a great one but elephants are my top

[trail loom]

My case for leopard as the great one out of the big five: They're the smallest of the big five and a greatone would put more emphasis on them, a diamond of the other 4 is already going to be extremely sought after and enjoyed, like snowleopards they would likely be a difficult hunt which will make them less-grindable and a more ** great ** great one to have showcased in your lodge, and also because BIG leopards are chunky, something that the diamond system wouldn't be able to reflect properly given "tru-size" does not exist in cotw. The leopard would recieve blackbear treatment with its great one and that would work very well imo

[old saffron]

im not too worried about leopards tbh simply because of how many fur variants EW could give them. also if they ever finally redo lodges, the amazing tree mount potential they have! would be enough insentive alone for me....imagine a leopard holding an impala or the like in its mouth stood on a tree branch in your trophy lodge! def wouldnt mind it tho

[mortal rain]

Elephants rarely drink if at all. And it’s highly unlikely EW would make the .300 7-10.

[trail loom]

idk about the if at all part, I know they typically drink every two days or so but they require it to avoid dehydration. Also when I say 150-300 meters I'm referring to the .375. In the preview it zeros to 300

[dire prism]

1350 upvotes as of 4:29 PM USMDT

[mortal rain]

The environment also heavily plays into that. Heavy brush should be prevalent come Africa 2.0.

[trail loom]

Yes, I agree. Despite their size elephants are notorious for tucking away into brush

[manic vigil]

first image kinda looks like Stegotetrabelodon. Looks cool!

[mighty rampart]

They will drink tons consistently IF there’s water readily available, they can go without for a while if there’s none.

[old saffron]

yeah i imagine there will be elephant drink zones but they could also be like crocs where theyre really hard in the sense they could be half submerged and the like, making you wait / come back later for a good shot

[untold maple]

Love it when I randomly get to the top

[patent agate]

Here's a .50 cal we could definitely have fun with!

'.500 Nitro Express Over/Under'

[mortal rain]

Just about the only .50 (with the exception of .505?) we’d need.

[patent agate]

This is definitely a mild "call of the void" thougth but

How long you think it'd take to just scroll to the bottom?

[untold maple]

An hour

[patent agate]

Are you up for calibers over .50? I was thinking of the .585 Nyatti the other day or maybe the .577. I've seen some beautiful rifles in both and I was wondering if they'd be possible in game. They'd be 9-10 without a shadow of doubt but still very fun alternatives to the .470

Well that worked out better than expected

[mortal rain]

I was honestly just trying remove the confusion that one could have upon first discovering this post, since the average Joe immediately jumps to .50BMG when thinking of “.50 cal” and not… obscure but incredible and classic safari calibers.

But yes, I’d love to see .585 Nyati or .577 in the game

[trail loom]

My favorite .50 cal addition would be the .577 tyrannosaur, because it's awesome and also because of the name.

I'd rather a double for .500 NE, but the over/under would make it unique from the .470.

.500 jeffery straight pull bolt would be pretty damn sick too, I'd love to see that. If they don't want elephants to be pay to play (assuming they'd be a class 10) I'd like to see that added as a base-game rifle for non-dlc players hunting in multiplayer.

.500 NE pistol could be added if the ammunition is laying around to have give another gun use for as a fun addition

[patent agate]

That quote in bold has me interested

Some loads have 170 pounds of felt recoil, you're getting hit with an average sized guy going at 31 feet per second and focused entirely on a six inch section of your shoulder

But also, .505 Gibbs/NE

[broken raven]

I personally wouldn't like the look of this. Maybe just me because I like more realistic versions of the animals. 🤷‍♂️

[old saffron]

it would legit just be this but with a paler elephant /maybe a different shade of red ^^ idk how much more "realistic" you can get ah wait unlesss you ment the tusks?

Theyre just kinda long tusks, i dont think theyre too wacky

[broken raven]

I mean the tusks look crazy but I believe that can happen, but I didn't know elephants can be white and red.

[old saffron]

its just a white elephant rolled in red mud? as per the picture, the elephant isnt actually red, its mud

[broken raven]

Oh I didn't know it was mud it makes sense now.

[old saffron]

yeah i wanted a red elephant poking out of the brush but i also enjoy the more realistic approach (so i get it) and didnt wanna just slap red on an elephant ^^ elephants love mud baths though and the red can pretty easily get reddish shades!

[untold maple]

I can confirm about the crazy tusks being real

[frail schooner]

I was reading through and saw the concern of snipe-farming elephants at drink zones, and I know we're wanting elephant hunting to semi-reflect real life (requiring you to get close to make any meaningful penetration)

Idea: with the mentioning here for a hypothetical class 10, make it where only a select few weapons with lower projectile range can reach that (like the .470 NE and maybe the upcoming .375 H&H)

That way you can still gameify it and allow lung shots, but you still have to get dangerously close to do meaningful damage, while brain shots are still the most ideal, with lung shots having incredibly lengthy tracks (like what was suggested)
(apologies if this was already suggested, I just woke up and tried my best to read chat lol)

I definitely want elephants to be a genuinely difficult animal to hunt, I'd hate for them to be another animal that just gets farmed from blinds/tripods from 200+ meters away

I do think that with this in mind, a hypothetical GO african elephant should get a somewhat higher chance of appearing, given that we're wanting elephant hunting to be a lengthy process (stalking up close, even more if you go for a lung shot)
obv not a super high chance where people are getting them back to back, but something that makes them feel more on-par with other GOs while keeping their difficulty and population count in mind

[dusky oak]

I feel like there should also be more variants to elephants to reward players for making the effort, but also the risk of multiple elephants attacking

[mighty rampart]

Your rough Fight zone for an elephant begins at around 50-25M flight zones are 50-100

The terrain plays into this heavily, elephants like small canopied river beds and thick velt.

We’re spotting these things at around 60M irl, they’re super steathlty and the foliage helps them achieve this.

[trail loom]

This

[patent agate]

I totally agree with all of this. I'd also love to see that any elephant hit with too small a round instantly flees and the whole herd follows suit, that way if someone tries wounding one to get it to aggro then the entire herd just bails out.

Either close in and do it right or lose your chance sort of thing

[deft egret]

i wanna hunt elephants on multiplayer with my mates all wearing victorian era bush clothing with a bomb ass rifle taking down a bull elephant at 30m need this so bad

[untold maple]

Like this?

[patent agate]

4 bore

[vivid inlet]

A bit off topic but don't know what you guys think but I would like to have baboons as well to get a different type of hunt it might be difficult to do but make them climb trees asswell so you would have to sit from a longer distance to be able to see them

[mortal rain]

I would love to have baboons in-game. They don’t even necessarily need to climb trees, as you mainly hunt them on the ground irl.

[vivid inlet]

Yeah i agree it would have been a small extra detail to it but as you say they dont even necessarily need to climb trees

[mortal rain]

Or hell, they could have select trees scattered around the map specifically designed for exactly that much like leopards previously mentioned a few times on here.

[patent agate]

Are we sure baboons wouldn't be class 9s? I mean they aren't tough or big, but they weaponize rocks

[vivid inlet]

Hahaha making a great one baboon that throws rocks at you

[dense folio]

Ranged attacks would be crazy

[vivid inlet]

would have been great to have

[vivid inlet]

Ranging baboons hunting you with rocks would be so crazy

[upper pelican]

Add the African Ostrich It would be a great looking mount and would add a fast and somewhat dangerous bird with a very different anatomy and would make for a challenge

[untold maple]

We’re getting really close to 9 thousand comments on this thread

[vivid inlet]

Shows how much we want a new africa map 🤓

[patent agate]

Question for ya, I know this is Africa 2.0 thread but hear me out.

There's 4 large birds that need to be in game, ostrich, emu, rhea, and cassowary. Are ostriches as confrontational as the others? Cassowary are massive A-h0les yes and that would make them fun, but do ostrich get aggro easily?

[final current]

I have heard that ostrich can be confrontational

Plus they have strong legs that look like they could deliver a nasty kick

[patent agate]

Saw a video of a man minding his own business just fishing along a little creek and a cassowary sees him, circles around behind him, charges out the brush and knocked him down into the creek.

I was wondering if ostriches could be that pointlessly aggressive

[untold maple]

In my experience ostriches are the biggest cowards in Africa

Onetime I saw a group of them, one of them stepped into a bush and then they all started booking for it

In my opinion they are the most annoying animals to hunt!

Ostriches have been known to attack people, but most of the time they just run as fast as they can in any direction

[trail loom]

Yea, if it believes you're subordinate to it or it's a domesticated/farm raised one they will think they can match up to you, but in general they're going to flee. Not to mention ostriches don't really kick, they try to trample, which they can't really do to people all that well.

if you're a zookeeper or something, watch out, but a hunters life wont be in jeopardy.

[mighty rampart]

A lot of Harley David products are made from South African ostrich leather^

[untold maple]

Ostrich leather is great stuff

[patent agate]

It might be, but I've seen some weird sh*t made from it. Stuff that can't be described on this server

[mighty rampart]

Back to the bush this month, stay tuned for updates!

[untold maple]

Oooooo

[patent agate]

I have a suggestion up for Ostrich, I may tag this post there too.

[leaden wave]

Okay so it's been a minute but someone jog my memory and refresh me on what's the finalized species list for this map

[patent agate]

We haven't got a clue. . .

Hey

Did anyone else notice the .375 in the weapon pack teaser had leaf sights? I literally only just noticed the leafs when they changed zero

[untold maple]

We’ve mentioned just about every big game animal from Africa at this point.

[leaden wave]

Fair well I think the thread host should finalize and maybe have the other thread attendees on hand to vote if stuff comes into contention

Just so EW can see we've got it all figured out and basically hand feed them a species list

[manic vigil]

@dire prism if you want to do this I can help make a final list

[trail loom]

All I know is I want to see the big five (preferably the rhinoceros is the black rhino), eland and impala.

I'd also love to see hippopotamus and nile crocodile but that's probably asking too much if the big five would already be there

[dire prism]

im definitely down to help with this, no idea when I'll have the time to though, probably thanksgiving or over winter break?

[manic vigil]

either works for me

i'll be out of town for a week or so in early December but it'll be before winter break. that, and i have thanksgiving break off ofc

[mighty rampart]

It’s morphed into a general call for Africa 2, I’ve made the devs aware of this change.

[manic vigil]

oh wait i thought this was the ancient ones thread 💀

my bad

im still down to help make a list for this tho

[leaden wave]

Ohhhhh okay

Yeah when working or whatever I usually just "mark everything as read" on this server 😂

[upper pelican]

I like the badger Idea but I don't see how it could be reasonably implemented to not just be a annoyance and if done bad could ruin the map

[patent agate]

Think you might have posted in the wrong thread, unless you mean honey badger

Dunno if you fellas remember this one but I'm still liking this idea.

Hirola, or Hunter's Heartebeest, it's critically endangered but we have snow leopards and tigers now so that seems like a moot point.

This thing has been in the back of my mind for a while and I honestly think it'd be great to see on a map. The horns are very impressive and I love the light tan hide too.

[stone minnow]

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